This is such a great video, hopefully many discouraged people will see this, and be reminded that even the top players have not only been through this, but still go through it. In other words, stop comparing your M+ journey to other people's highlight reel. Also, I would say that the best advice for anyone wanting to tackle the M+ journey (like stated by multiple top-end players on your podcast and you yourself) is to: Drink a glass of Get Over Yourself. Then, check your Ego at the Keystone font. If you can manage to do these two things consistently, you put yourself in a position to have the best overall experience and success.
Attitude really is so important. Bad mood may be infectuous, but good mood is aswell. I've had bricked keys where we all were cool and joking about it and even though we didn't upgrade it, we had a lot of fun. I'd play such a key over one that may get timed but where everyone is toxic af every day.
Thank you Quazii for your amazing content, I am an og wow player playing and quiting through all the expansions since vanilla, watching your videos has not only made me a 10x player but also find a passion for gaming again. My addons and UI are so clean and M+ has never been more fun! Keep up the great work im looking forward to pushing this season! - Alchemos - Area-52 -
Awesome tips from a guy that (obviously, sincerely) follows the tips. For such a good player, Quazii is super humble and giving with his time and knowledge.
Great lesson to emphasize: Mythic+ is just a part of the game. I have this overwhelming anxiety when I'm tanking haha it's supposed to be fun. Thanks Quazii
80% of tanking is routine (routes, mechanics, rotation). The start of a season is necessarily the hardest part. After you've run a dungeon dozens of times, the remaining 20% is adjusting to your group, assuming you are pugging. It's less of a question of if you are good enough but rather of if you can stick through it.
back in season 4 of shadowlands, we did M+ keys with my real life friends. The funny thing is we are all melee classes. DH tank, healer monk, 2DK and 1 ret pala. It was fun doing mechanics like quaking storming, bursting. We manage to run until +15 but eventually we pugged the rest of the season
Great video Quazii. I love this game but find it really difficult to raid or even do m+ due to very bad anxiety. Hoping to atleast try m+ this season and hopefully it goes well. Aprecaite the video.
I've been a raider with my guild since Wrath, and only got into mythic plus in Dragonflight. For some reason, the thought of networking never occurred to me. Face palm moment for me, thanks for pointing out my blind spot, Quazii!
This is a great video. I only started doing M+ in Dragonflight and in the first season I was in a pug for Freehold and at the end during one run I got beat down on for not doing CC on some of the adds for the last boss. It wasn't something I encountered before and while embarrassed and angry (at myself but I'm always hard on myself when I make mistakes :| ), I learned from that mistake, kept going but made sure to always CC when needed. I do that with every dungeon I've ever run now, too, because running them in M+ isn't like running them in normal or Heroic. I think a lot of the toxic stuff happens when you have players who do M+ dungeons - especially older ones - have that knowledge already, but some players who are new, like me, don't. I am going to do M+ for TWW since I did enjoy it during DF and while I don't plan to push beyond getting the mounts for the seasons, I also won't sweat it to learn. Thanks Quazii for the videos!
number 1 is the best lesson as this is a soft skill in organizations you network and build relationships. Lessons you learn in WOW (auctioneering, understanding economy and now building relationships). Great lesson, Quaz! - from your Asian Auntie lol
My advice is to not only let your team know what you are about to do but also what you CAN'T do. If your AOE or ST stun, interrupt, cage/ fear/ what ever on CD and you know there is a certain event going to happen, let you team know that you can't do anything about it. Either through voice or through weak auras. Some might find them annoying but I got good feedback (I run PUGs) that my way of announcing things in chat is way more efficient than the common auras. My WA doesn't only say "interrupted spell x" mine writes: - interrupt on CD x seconds - ST stun on CD x seconds - AOE stun on CD x seconds - incap on CD x seconds - etc.. I often only use the interrupt one on classes which have a high cool down like shadow priest. By sending the cooldown number you're letting your team know what you can't do in that time window, not only what you had done. It's more likely that people don't play a bunch of toons and don't know every class/spec so they might not know how long a warrior interrupt is for ex. Also most people are not tracking Stuns, incap, things like blinding light/fear, etc but CC is so important in higher keys! Happy keying mates, see ya in tool. Always stay cool and focused. Don't sell your friends for 2 score. Enjoy your gameplay. And always remember: screw the meta 😂🤝
Great video! but i do think mythic+ has a issue, i play feral, ik its not meta, im 610 ilvl and i dont even get invited to +2 keys, i can que for hours and i still dont get invited, i was farming scandyrs grace the trinket from grim batol and i have a +4 3 chested and that still dosnt help, i dont understand why, i do good dmg, i cc, i dispell where its needed, interrupts eks
I don't no what's going on this season but getting into pug groups is just a nightmare, in 3 hours I managed to join two groups, a 610 geared warlock with 1900 rating trying to join 4 and 5s, decline decline decline i could understand if i was trying to get into high keys , I try start my own group barely any requests, just feel like I'm spending hours sat clicking constantly and getting declined. Also the amount of people just randomly leaving groups after one wipe is crazy
@@kylewright4926 I'm talking about M0s. My more than sufficient. I'm a decent player - I swear. But for some reason - No invites. Probably some add-on I'm missing and everyone decided it's mandatory.
@@alonbinyamin well gear is super inflated this week due to delves giving champion/hero gear and m0 just veteran so most people who queue into m0 just want to farm a BiS trinket for example and dont go for the raw loot. That results in people of 580-595 ilvl who actually need the gear getting declined cause enough 605++ people are queing for the groups especially if you are DD
It tends to take more time to form groups the higher in key level you go. People want to make sure they have the best chance of timing the key, and that means not inviting people who don’t have the gear or don’t have the IO. The best way to not worry about getting invited is to form your own groups.
Last xpac I got to +20s and I got into a group with a high rating tank and he tweaked cause a dps didn't know something. I just said it's ok man we can find another tank if you don't wanna play and he raged saying don't you know who I am and I'm one of the best tanks in the world. We ended up clearing a 20+ without him. Ego will not only harm you but it doesn't help the person you are angry with. Teach people don't hate them.
5:12 That's gonna be me this season. F*** the Shadowlands dungeons and Boralus. Otherwise great video - so much good content/interviews from you in the past few months - It is absolutely great :)
It depends what 99.9% of people score in that particular season. It's a 0.1% title because you need to achieve a score that is higher than all but 0.1% of players
Not even close, but its a major step up from 2750. Its not 'the' wall but it could be a soft wall and skill check (for the whole group). The game does change but if you reach far enough you get to the people who are playing for fun/challange, not just trying to free farm weekly 10s. The last points were really rough for me (last season, first time) and then I got 75 points (3050) in one play session with a great group. I've heard of people pure pugging way higher - probably rare though. I wouldn't feel bad if making it over the line is hard, take the time to polish and level up your play (as the video says) so that you fire when you do randomly get that good group. Note this was before prepatch, post prepatch was easy to get way higher, if you were struggling then I recommend improving fundamentals.
Problem is you can't play m+ unless you have a specific M+ score, or unless your Ilevel is at a specific level. So while everything you say is smart, it just doesn't look like reality. Simply doing +4's is impossible if you don't have a decent keyscore. M+ seems very toxic often times, especially when mistakes are involved.
@@TechMoneyFuture it's not a problem I have, I got 2400 score. I am currently boosting guildies with this issue. People expect 610+ ilevel at 4 keys. Also you don't even get invited to +2s with low score
This whole video is basically for people that do keystone conqueror and above. It's true the place below 15-20 keys are way to various in skill you have no clue if they got boosted to 10+ or just got lucky boosted there. Below 10+ it's just a low chance to get a good group that are able to go past that into the 15+s. And its mostly ss always blizzard should do a hidden que får m+ keys with the same rules as random heroics.
I generally love your content but I have to disagree heavily here. M+ are not fun. Bricking keys is not fun. Finding other people and praying to gods they won't be clueless is not fun. Unless you have full m+ premade of players with similar skill to yours it will never be fun. I used to play keys into ''higher'' ranged over 3k rating and no it was not fun. You waste 30 minutes of your life for absolutely nothing. It's all just stress. Random casts and hits that damage your for 90% of your health or outright kill you. That is not fun. I had a good group but it broke apart because we didn't share the same goals for the season. Since then my only goal is to hit 2500 rating and have dungeons done to get the portals (for dungeons I don't already have). I cant be bothered to do anything else. As you said rating is just a number and nobody will care unless you are in worlds top number which I doubt I'll ever be without premade group of friends. So I don't know for whom this video was supposed to be? Those 2% of players who like pushing and m+ perhaps? Because let me tell you that random people stuck in +4s and +5s only want to reach a certain goal and then never touch m+ until the next season or they switch to an alt and repeat for gear. Because there is no fun in that toxic, hectic, and stressful environment that m+ is.
I enjoy hanging out in discord and playing keys with friends. It's like anything in life - the people you're with make or break the experience. I highly recommend spending a bit of time searching for a guild or community of players who you enjoy playing with; it will make your experience infinitely better. Otherwise, just go play a single player game with better systems for playing solo.
@@oscarwithers4599 I tried that so many times and it always broke apart after a while (season or mid-season) and I'm tired of starting again from the beginning. I don't even know where to start looking.
Ive always loved wow and recently came back for tww.. the item lvl grind just turns me off. Im already burnt out before m+. Having m+ is cool. It being the main focus ruins the feel of it for me.. i dont wanna grind for the same item at a higher item lvl, it doesnt feel rewarding to gear it just feels like im on a hamster wheel. I know its always been there but it feels much more prevalent in this version of wow. Theres like a built in checklist of what to do optimally that i cant stand. I just wanna game and kill some dragons with the boys. Its feels so far away from that now. Its a good thing i like pvp or i would of completely dropped the game at this point. Long story short, i wish the whole ilvl thing was dead.
It would be a waste to bring an undergeared player to a challenging dungeon, without item level every one would be having their time wasted. I’m so glad that when you make a group you can vet the time wasters by checking item level and previous season io.
@carpetdragon350 that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying it's lame to chase item level and not gear. In wow retail you care more about ilvl than you do the actual drop itself.
@@Earthz69 I don’t really understand what you mean. Isn’t item level just the sum of gear? When I say I appreciate a way to vet players through item level I am speaking about their gear although occasionally an undergeared player will come along and perform perfectly. To me the game itself is about improving your gear and taking on the next big challenge and repeat. Sorry if I’m getting this completely wrong but your complaint about the item level grind sounds sounds incompatible with how I see the game.
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This is such a great video, hopefully many discouraged people will see this, and be reminded that even the top players have not only been through this, but still go through it. In other words, stop comparing your M+ journey to other people's highlight reel. Also, I would say that the best advice for anyone wanting to tackle the M+ journey (like stated by multiple top-end players on your podcast and you yourself) is to:
Drink a glass of Get Over Yourself. Then, check your Ego at the Keystone font. If you can manage to do these two things consistently, you put yourself in a position to have the best overall experience and success.
Attitude really is so important. Bad mood may be infectuous, but good mood is aswell. I've had bricked keys where we all were cool and joking about it and even though we didn't upgrade it, we had a lot of fun. I'd play such a key over one that may get timed but where everyone is toxic af every day.
Thank you Quazii for your amazing content, I am an og wow player playing and quiting through all the expansions since vanilla, watching your videos has not only made me a 10x player but also find a passion for gaming again. My addons and UI are so clean and M+ has never been more fun! Keep up the great work im looking forward to pushing this season! - Alchemos - Area-52 -
2:38 -- "Why is my tank just standing there" XD
Great video, cool summary of ideas from many different top end players
haha yes uh hold on a second i need to remove these quest that's nagging at me. good luck in S1 Bear God (:
Excellent video, Quazii. Thank you!!
Awesome tips from a guy that (obviously, sincerely) follows the tips. For such a good player, Quazii is super humble and giving with his time and knowledge.
Great lesson to emphasize: Mythic+ is just a part of the game. I have this overwhelming anxiety when I'm tanking haha it's supposed to be fun. Thanks Quazii
80% of tanking is routine (routes, mechanics, rotation). The start of a season is necessarily the hardest part. After you've run a dungeon dozens of times, the remaining 20% is adjusting to your group, assuming you are pugging. It's less of a question of if you are good enough but rather of if you can stick through it.
Also never trust your party is gonna do the mechanics or kick or cc. Do everything you can to just do it all really. The M+ pug life is rough!
back in season 4 of shadowlands, we did M+ keys with my real life friends. The funny thing is we are all melee classes. DH tank, healer monk, 2DK and 1 ret pala. It was fun doing mechanics like quaking storming, bursting. We manage to run until +15 but eventually we pugged the rest of the season
Great video Quazii. I love this game but find it really difficult to raid or even do m+ due to very bad anxiety. Hoping to atleast try m+ this season and hopefully it goes well. Aprecaite the video.
I've been a raider with my guild since Wrath, and only got into mythic plus in Dragonflight. For some reason, the thought of networking never occurred to me. Face palm moment for me, thanks for pointing out my blind spot, Quazii!
Amazing content Quazii ! Also your platter profile has up'ed my play style and interrupts.
This is a great video.
I only started doing M+ in Dragonflight and in the first season I was in a pug for Freehold and at the end during one run I got beat down on for not doing CC on some of the adds for the last boss. It wasn't something I encountered before and while embarrassed and angry (at myself but I'm always hard on myself when I make mistakes :| ), I learned from that mistake, kept going but made sure to always CC when needed. I do that with every dungeon I've ever run now, too, because running them in M+ isn't like running them in normal or Heroic.
I think a lot of the toxic stuff happens when you have players who do M+ dungeons - especially older ones - have that knowledge already, but some players who are new, like me, don't.
I am going to do M+ for TWW since I did enjoy it during DF and while I don't plan to push beyond getting the mounts for the seasons, I also won't sweat it to learn. Thanks Quazii for the videos!
number 1 is the best lesson as this is a soft skill in organizations you network and build relationships. Lessons you learn in WOW (auctioneering, understanding economy and now building relationships). Great lesson, Quaz! - from your Asian Auntie lol
Freind group add on sounds great im going to try that out tonight!
My advice is to not only let your team know what you are about to do but also what you CAN'T do.
If your AOE or ST stun, interrupt, cage/ fear/ what ever on CD and you know there is a certain event going to happen, let you team know that you can't do anything about it.
Either through voice or through weak auras. Some might find them annoying but I got good feedback (I run PUGs) that my way of announcing things in chat is way more efficient than the common auras.
My WA doesn't only say "interrupted spell x" mine writes:
- interrupt on CD x seconds
- ST stun on CD x seconds
- AOE stun on CD x seconds
- incap on CD x seconds
- etc..
I often only use the interrupt one on classes which have a high cool down like shadow priest.
By sending the cooldown number you're letting your team know what you can't do in that time window, not only what you had done.
It's more likely that people don't play a bunch of toons and don't know every class/spec so they might not know how long a warrior interrupt is for ex.
Also most people are not tracking Stuns, incap, things like blinding light/fear, etc but CC is so important in higher keys!
Happy keying mates, see ya in tool.
Always stay cool and focused.
Don't sell your friends for 2 score.
Enjoy your gameplay.
And always remember: screw the meta 😂🤝
needed this video after tonight
"i´m going to grab lunch next" - made me laugh xD awesome and true!! :)
Ty quazii! We thank you!
Hey do you have a Mythic Dungeon Tool import settings for Season 1 dungeons yet?
More insane info from the GOAT himself! Ty Quazii!
Great video! but i do think mythic+ has a issue, i play feral, ik its not meta, im 610 ilvl and i dont even get invited to +2 keys, i can que for hours and i still dont get invited, i was farming scandyrs grace the trinket from grim batol and i have a +4 3 chested and that still dosnt help, i dont understand why, i do good dmg, i cc, i dispell where its needed, interrupts eks
That’s the idiots in a +2 key thinking that meta matters. I would take you just because of your ilvl
Bro gave life lessons via WoW.
I somehow enjoy those m+ vids but i despise playing it xD so i just sit back and keep chilling.
I don't no what's going on this season but getting into pug groups is just a nightmare, in 3 hours I managed to join two groups, a 610 geared warlock with 1900 rating trying to join 4 and 5s, decline decline decline i could understand if i was trying to get into high keys , I try start my own group barely any requests, just feel like I'm spending hours sat clicking constantly and getting declined. Also the amount of people just randomly leaving groups after one wipe is crazy
It’s hilarious (in a good way) that all the lessons in this video can be applied in some way to other aspects of life
I sometimes spend 25-30 minutes just trying to get into a group. You can't get good when you can't play.
Play keys 3-4 less than where your gear and skill are. I bet you’ll get invites
@@kylewright4926 I'm talking about M0s. My more than sufficient. I'm a decent player - I swear. But for some reason - No invites.
Probably some add-on I'm missing and everyone decided it's mandatory.
@@alonbinyamin well gear is super inflated this week due to delves giving champion/hero gear and m0 just veteran so most people who queue into m0 just want to farm a BiS trinket for example and dont go for the raw loot. That results in people of 580-595 ilvl who actually need the gear getting declined cause enough 605++ people are queing for the groups especially if you are DD
It tends to take more time to form groups the higher in key level you go. People want to make sure they have the best chance of timing the key, and that means not inviting people who don’t have the gear or don’t have the IO. The best way to not worry about getting invited is to form your own groups.
Last xpac I got to +20s and I got into a group with a high rating tank and he tweaked cause a dps didn't know something.
I just said it's ok man we can find another tank if you don't wanna play and he raged saying don't you know who I am and I'm one of the best tanks in the world.
We ended up clearing a 20+ without him.
Ego will not only harm you but it doesn't help the person you are angry with.
Teach people don't hate them.
I had a BDK join 616 ilvl for a +4 kept doing the whole hallway in stone vault 5 times then left lol
Well said 👍🏻
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5:12 That's gonna be me this season. F*** the Shadowlands dungeons and Boralus. Otherwise great video - so much good content/interviews from you in the past few months - It is absolutely great :)
TLDR be a nice person and ask people for help!
My dude out here giving dating advice and wow advice 😂❤
These things are for real life things aswel. Applicable in life. Good video again. Well made mate!
Quazii teaches us the first 5 minutes how to interact with humans xD Love it
What score is the top 0.1% title?
It depends what 99.9% of people score in that particular season. It's a 0.1% title because you need to achieve a score that is higher than all but 0.1% of players
Usually around 3600+
i wish lesson 3 would be common knowledge
the most important information is that M+ is like dating 😅
Is 2.9k ish the wall for pugging ? Lol i was so close to getting 3k in one season it was lik 2.99k basically
Not even close, but its a major step up from 2750. Its not 'the' wall but it could be a soft wall and skill check (for the whole group). The game does change but if you reach far enough you get to the people who are playing for fun/challange, not just trying to free farm weekly 10s. The last points were really rough for me (last season, first time) and then I got 75 points (3050) in one play session with a great group. I've heard of people pure pugging way higher - probably rare though. I wouldn't feel bad if making it over the line is hard, take the time to polish and level up your play (as the video says) so that you fire when you do randomly get that good group. Note this was before prepatch, post prepatch was easy to get way higher, if you were struggling then I recommend improving fundamentals.
@@Visserau oh what patch are you talking about ?
@@bluntedsage S4 for me, but I'm resonably confidant the earlier DF seasons were similar enough - a little harder to climb but not gamechangingly so.
@@bluntedsage Btw that was also coming from consensus opinions I've heard on reddit etc, not just me. But I agree with it.
@@Visserau lol I didn't like when they changed the numbers so I just got 2k but yeah s2/s3 when I tried the most
Problem is you can't play m+ unless you have a specific M+ score, or unless your Ilevel is at a specific level. So while everything you say is smart, it just doesn't look like reality. Simply doing +4's is impossible if you don't have a decent keyscore.
M+ seems very toxic often times, especially when mistakes are involved.
Then play +2s and get your score up in a few hours? Poor ilvl? Just run bountiful delves? What's the excuse here?
@@TechMoneyFuture it's not a problem I have, I got 2400 score. I am currently boosting guildies with this issue.
People expect 610+ ilevel at 4 keys.
Also you don't even get invited to +2s with low score
HELP HEALERS & TANKS!
Too bad half the title players don’t want to play past level 11 this season because there is legit 0 point with the 12 scaling
If you're a solo DPS player you have no choice but to play queue simulator, even on lower keys. Just the nature of the beast, unfortunately.
Run you’re own keys
@@Leafcast sure - and then you sit and wait for a tank to queue for 30 mins lol
Networking!!?? I don't even get a hello back anymore when i join a pug.
This whole video is basically for people that do keystone conqueror and above. It's true the place below 15-20 keys are way to various in skill you have no clue if they got boosted to 10+ or just got lucky boosted there. Below 10+ it's just a low chance to get a good group that are able to go past that into the 15+s. And its mostly ss always blizzard should do a hidden que får m+ keys with the same rules as random heroics.
Nah I think I this video is aimed at people like you my guy.
I generally love your content but I have to disagree heavily here. M+ are not fun. Bricking keys is not fun. Finding other people and praying to gods they won't be clueless is not fun. Unless you have full m+ premade of players with similar skill to yours it will never be fun. I used to play keys into ''higher'' ranged over 3k rating and no it was not fun. You waste 30 minutes of your life for absolutely nothing. It's all just stress. Random casts and hits that damage your for 90% of your health or outright kill you. That is not fun. I had a good group but it broke apart because we didn't share the same goals for the season. Since then my only goal is to hit 2500 rating and have dungeons done to get the portals (for dungeons I don't already have). I cant be bothered to do anything else. As you said rating is just a number and nobody will care unless you are in worlds top number which I doubt I'll ever be without premade group of friends. So I don't know for whom this video was supposed to be? Those 2% of players who like pushing and m+ perhaps? Because let me tell you that random people stuck in +4s and +5s only want to reach a certain goal and then never touch m+ until the next season or they switch to an alt and repeat for gear. Because there is no fun in that toxic, hectic, and stressful environment that m+ is.
I enjoy hanging out in discord and playing keys with friends. It's like anything in life - the people you're with make or break the experience. I highly recommend spending a bit of time searching for a guild or community of players who you enjoy playing with; it will make your experience infinitely better. Otherwise, just go play a single player game with better systems for playing solo.
@@oscarwithers4599 I tried that so many times and it always broke apart after a while (season or mid-season) and I'm tired of starting again from the beginning. I don't even know where to start looking.
Ive always loved wow and recently came back for tww.. the item lvl grind just turns me off. Im already burnt out before m+. Having m+ is cool. It being the main focus ruins the feel of it for me.. i dont wanna grind for the same item at a higher item lvl, it doesnt feel rewarding to gear it just feels like im on a hamster wheel. I know its always been there but it feels much more prevalent in this version of wow. Theres like a built in checklist of what to do optimally that i cant stand. I just wanna game and kill some dragons with the boys. Its feels so far away from that now. Its a good thing i like pvp or i would of completely dropped the game at this point.
Long story short, i wish the whole ilvl thing was dead.
It would be a waste to bring an undergeared player to a challenging dungeon, without item level every one would be having their time wasted. I’m so glad that when you make a group you can vet the time wasters by checking item level and previous season io.
@carpetdragon350 that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying it's lame to chase item level and not gear. In wow retail you care more about ilvl than you do the actual drop itself.
@@Earthz69 I don’t really understand what you mean. Isn’t item level just the sum of gear? When I say I appreciate a way to vet players through item level I am speaking about their gear although occasionally an undergeared player will come along and perform perfectly. To me the game itself is about improving your gear and taking on the next big challenge and repeat. Sorry if I’m getting this completely wrong but your complaint about the item level grind sounds sounds incompatible with how I see the game.
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