People are wrong about Hector
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yea, I don’t hate hector, I hate the idiots who came into my pf and demanded hector strats, when they couldn’t read the ones I had already stated in the desc.
i had same problem but reverse yesterday💀 someone joined my hector pf and then got mad when we didnt wanna spend 10 min explaining to him the strat differences between hector and rinon and then he started calling out someone for getting a gray log in a prog pull 😂😂 theres idiots at both ends of the spectrum....
@@moccxhi Yeah if people dont even bother to read, especially in a later floor just kick and call it a day.
@@moccxhi Mhmm. Same issue, different circumstances.
Wait, people read PF?! That HAS to be a mistake!
Tbh, whenever I look in PF, most of the string of random words in description (what I presume is the strat) means next to nothing to me as a relatively new player.
I enjoy Hector's vids, not mainly for the strats, but for his breakdowns of mechanics with a clean layout to give the players a step by step of how everything flows.
when i did p4s his guide was helpfull to visualise what actually happened on the mechanics, not his strat, i used pastebin
Same; I watch his guides for the breakdown of how mechanics work but I watch other guides to see how the fight generally flows (I learn better when I can see the mechanics as they look in the fight vs the illustrations)
Same
Playing on JP without able to speak japanese, the mechanic breakdown is really helping to understand what the mechanic is, then to apply it into different strat on your own
My only issue is that I wish he’d just include actual gameplay to show the mechanic in real-time
I just can’t learn from a PowerPoint presentation alone, so it’s a me issue 100%
Idk, he is a teacher ofc so he knows how to explain things well, but it often seems like he himself has no idea what is he talking about and just reading from a toolbox, like his m4s guide, he thought that second witch-hunt can be close/close/far/far proximity baits which will never happen, he also explained exas in a very weird way as if you need to pay attention to exaflares on both sides, and his midnight sabbath explanation covered only exact patter that was featured in a pastebin that he based his guide on
Im not always the biggest Fan of his Strats, but the visualization in his guides are top tier. It helps people in my static to understand the fight way better and after they understood the mechanics i can tell them what we are doing differently.
yes he is a teacher surprise he can relay information in concise way.
its a people problem some just don't wanna adjust they cling to one thing good example is m1s same pairs some ppl still do the other way wich is more work then doing same pairs imo you have to move less with same pairs
Exactly how the guides should be used.
Learn from it, take what you like, adjust what you think woud be better.
Hector presents his explanations of the mechanic (and his proposed solution) far better than any other guide maker, so it's no wonder they become popular. I personally don't like his strats sometimes but even nowadays he tends to leave a pinned comment with current PF differences which I appreciate.
Anyone that has a problem with Hector strats can just make guides themselves
Based. It is a fact that he helps casuals, which are 90% of the playerbase. Whenever people look up a guide on youtube he's about the first name to show up. So if anyone has a problem with him, like you said, they are welcome to make video guides themselves😂.
The entitlement of some people, it's so fucked up people hating someone doing thankless job
If you can't do savage without a guide then you shouldn't do savage, clearly it's too difficult and the thing is that most people can press buttons but not many can think or problem solve
@@blushingralseiuwu2222 I'm ok with his guides but this is not a "thankless job". His guides are getting hundreds of thousands of views. His m1s guide is currently sitting at 426k views, that means decent youtube money. You can respect the guy, but that's just a job. He's getting paid.
@@ohdoggyadvanced brain rot child
If you're doing PF you should learn multiple strats because not everyone is ganna do the same thing and strats may evolve or change over time, you need to be flexible.
Also Hector is goated, cut him some slack he's getting out good enough guides considering how early he can pump them out. They're obviously not 100% optimal but they are good enough for PF clear, especially for how early he can get them up.
This is the chad approach but honestly asking most of PF to do this when they can't even tell left from right is a risky proposition.
I agree, Hector strats aren't min-max optimization but they're already good enough for PF stuff. Sure if you're in a static, people might want to optimize based on what works for them, but as like general-rule strats, Hector is fine.
I find it so interesting that ff14 has multiple strats for more or less scripted boss fights. Meanwhile wow with (at least imo) more free flow fights has a settled strat week1.
@@The_Yukki Because WoW literally has WeakAuras to play the game for you.
@@SaveMeXenu true, it does though I wouldnt say they play for you. They display information clearer than blizzard's shit ui can.
14 doesnt really need them cause the mechanics are simpler with less overlap (at least from what I have experienced and I did not touch savage yet. So comparing 14normal to I guess heroic in wow cause savage and ultimate are mythic in wow.)
Seems that people don't want to adjust from the early or corrected videos, so by association people hate Hector for existing and "causing" it.
Guides are good, and it falls on people to keep up on them over time rather than sticking to early, week 1 ones throughout an entire tier.
Very true. I remember doing the in/out cardinal and intercardinal baits on M1S while progging and now I've been using same baits in every party since first clear. I can do either just fine, but things are always going to change.
Joonbob through a fit once on his stream for it. Despite that his guides are cheeks.
Beat 3 on M2S as a healer just downright pisses me off to be honest.
Putting the Offtank on my Healer clockspot for this one fucking mechanic and just to make it slightly easier for OT to casually walk over to their partner / spread spots is irritating as hell. Especially when the mechanic right afterwards puts me back to my normal clockspot for no good reason.
It's almost as irritating as Fuse or Foe in M3S where the OBVIOUS solution after making people stand in certain spots that are ALSO clock spots is to make those people simply STAY in those clock spots rather than having them walk back to their color coded positions.
Hector has good, visually decent guides, but I really wish they got their painful laser focus off of the idea that everyone needs to do circus tricks for a 1% damage boost in practice.
@@chuckwellington3307 my team just perma swapped h2 and ot on m2s and m3s and solved both those issues permmantly
I started this game at end of arr and relied on mtq for guides and they were just pov’s and explanations. Ffxiv community is blessed with the quality and animated imagery in hectors guides. Like he’s a godsend to raiding community.
I started with MTQ as well and she's fine, but Hector's animations are amazing for learning a mechanic and the fact he makes them week 1 is darn impressive.
I'll never forget when i started raiding in ShB, watching MTQ guides, and she just skipping entire mechanics at the end of fights, cause her group killing the bosses too early xD
That was the time.
joonbob shits all over hector
and even then people still continue to fail to understand mechanics, its like people want both an optimal min/maxable strat AND for it to tell them where to "stand and let thing resolve" and they wont deviate from that fixed spot at all, causing mixups to turn into wipes (at least in pfs i ran with)
@@Diddz And it's always the damn ranged DPS that does this garbage too.
the problem with his videos is not him, or the fact he has to correct them. it's 100% a pf problem because players in pf will cling to the first strat and argue over which one to do instead of adapting and changing to the easier newer ones. pf people will literally argue to do it a harder way just because that is the first way they learned it and REFUSE to adapt or change, even if it means refusing doing a literally smoothe brain strat. I saw this exact problem play out with M1 Archadian with the dps in first / dps bait switch teathers. After hector released the updated guide, half the party hadn't watched it, and when asked to, they proceded to wipe over and over and argue to do it the first way even though it is literally the easiest thing ever, people just love over complicating things.
also how every pf for m1 week 1 was demanding boss relative and refused to do true north to make it simpler even when people where wiping to the same thing over and over, refusing to change but the moment hector released his guide the whole pf switched up to true north immediately
Half the time someone thinks their way is better and it's not, it's just different. Everyone on PF thinks they are a special snowflake and their way is the best way. I don't argue with them, i just don't join their PF's. If they wanna be special, they can wait an extra hour for their PF to fill.
loud bad players in pf*
All of the good ones who can adjust and adapt don't bitch and whine, they just do it.
They're just harder to notice because they're the types who reclear the entire tier on reset day and just chillax for the rest of the week
...it's also why I hate M1S so fucking much, because that's where the largest concentration of inflexible dumbasses are
true north was just infinitely easier to keep track of for that fight, we were doing boss relative in my static at first and several of us were absolutely brain fried trying to flip things around multiple times, but as soon as we changed to true north? instantly breezed past that mechanic.
I dunno, I got out of M1s in a lockout and a half day 1 by forcing people to do dash relative...
@@michaelbart7014 samee!! I am really bad with directions or directional stuff I get really confused, people absolutely refused everytime I tried to explain
We're really lucky to have people like Hector out here making guides for people in such a clean and clear format.
Joonbob > Hector.
There are some suspicious hipocrisy in the comment section. See, people use different strats until Hector drops his. Then, if you check or join pf most people are usibg Hector's strat while some of the rest use one or two different strats. The hate with Hector doen't come from PF, it comes from the people who believe thenselves to be the hot shit and want to do things differently. I have seen people saying Hector's guide are braindead, and I ask myself, isn't the point of the fights to be cleared?
Other people who hate Hector are the more dedicated raiders and the thing with them is that most of them think Savage is a special club only for the best, when in reality, it's not, but it pisses them off to see many people, mostly in pf, getting their clears thanks to a guide from a dude on the internet who tries to simplify things for the more casuals.
That's not the reason why I tend to dislike Hector. I dislike when he releases bad strats like he did for some of pandemonium, and that sometimes he'll upload a strat that's almost like pf, but does one thing different and it just messes with pf. Like his M1S video does clock baits. Even though he made an update video for same baits, pf was "poisoned" for a while of people joining "hector same bait" parties and wiping to it.
For the most part I don't hate Hector, his videos are top tier for what they are. But I avoid the people who tend to use them. In my experience I've found that Hector parties tend to have people of all skill levels, good and bad. But parties that use week 1 strats tend to be better and more consistent.
@@DeadJuicebox Hector's strats made Hephaestos so incredibly infuriating because people would use his strats for NA1 and 2, and his strat was objectively worse and would get people killed if everybody wasn't on the same page.
hector does a lot of good honestly im thankful for the guides he makes
My favorite part of seeing people complain about hector is them then saying they want (x) and (x) is just exactly what hector's guides do and are for.
I blame PF players for treating Hector's guides as a Bible, and for their total lack of adaptability to the slightest change in strat.
For example, during P5S (Venomous Mass!), Hector's guide suggested putting melee front, tank behind max range. It was near impossible to change people's mind that tank front was a better idea. Resulting OT swimming in the poison puddle to keep uptime...
Well that's not only Hector's then...
If I could give you an award for speaking the truth, I would. Community adaptability for any slight change in strat or on the fly adjustment is in the gutter.
Make sure you all leave milk and cookies out for Hector. Maybe he’ll drop Hector strats on how to READ a PF description or how to not prog lie.
Tired of liars ruining your prog? Ruin it yourself by lying about your prog!
But I saw the mech once while laying on the ground dead for the 4th time so clearly I know the fight up to that point silly !
@@GameoverDood Legit. This is how you survive in Ultimate PF. All this scum downright lying about prog points because their ass was dead kissing the floor while the rest of the team passed a mechanic is exactly how you end up with PFs where for example Niisi pass 2 is actually just LC, or Suppression prog is just Annihilation prog.
It fucking sucks that this is how it has to be done, but you can't do a thing about it. If you play fair in PF you'll be the dumbass that progs the same mechanic 15000 times in a row because you'll always have one cockroach in the group that's off their meds 'progging' mechanics they've never survived
Mr Happy went through the same thing with the disclaimer too.
Pretty much every guide creator goes through it at some point, people only learn one strat and assume that's the gospel and that there's no other way to do the fight.
And frankly that's fine, but if you're only gonna learn one strat don't join parties that aren't doing that and proceed to gripe about it.
I remember E9S's "happy bramble" when Mr Happy didn't even showcase or advocate for that strat, it was just the strat his static was using during World Race, and people starting copying it and calling it Happy Bramble.
Happy gets hate cus he has sounded like a condescending little bitch most of his entire TH-cam life
Im playing on JPN server and have a different strats also in JPN language. To understand some mechanics or the name of it, I always refer to Hector. The Visual and breakdowns also very helpful to understand boss mechanics and movement.
Non-speaking Japanese people in JP data center have to watch 2-3 EN guides + the JP guides (hamkatsu nukemaru game8). Hector is really good guide here as all the material of all mech are in there.
I think the reason people give him as much hate as he gets is that they don't want to change what they're used to. M3S is a good example, where they're used to Rinon markers/rotations. They see Hector strats start taking over PF, which is slightly different markers/rotations, but the same overall strats, and they lose their mind talking about how bad it is. It's the same strat, supports just rotate ccw instead of cw. And fusedown, MT is just A/D instead of A/C. OT is B/C instead of B/D. It's such a negligible change, but people just say it's bad because it's different.
The funny thing is, they're so similar, that you really won't mess it up if you just use your eyes and brain for the first couple pulls. I've done 3 half-lockouts in a single night where it was Rinon, then Hector, then Alt Rinon (which is a thing now for some reason). And I still wasn't the one messing mechanics up as the people who clutch their pearls because the strat THEY learned is the best.
The issue isn't even that Hector's strats are necessarily 'bad' a lot of the time. It's that they're different.
Hector's videos are extremely well made, very clearly explained, visually satisfying and easy to follow. For that reason his strats are immensely popular for prog and often become the go-to in PF. The problem is that often his strats conflict with week 1 strats, and people who spent time and energy clearing week 1 often don't appreciate being forced to turn around and learn alternative strats for PF reclears that aren't necessarily better (and are *sometimes* worse) simply on account of Hector releasing a new vid that contradicts what everyone was doing already.
This tier wasn't too bad. He used mostly Shabin which is a lot of what week clearers 1 used. M3S is the only fight really where he used significantly different strats which are, IMO more confusing and less beneficial. I'll straight up make my own 3S PF groups to do Shabin strat when I reclear 3S but otherwise his guides were fine this tier.
Definitely too much chaos in M3S. Shababin is/was great. Worked fine. Hector's guide requires relearning a couple key parts of the fight.
It doesn't help that Shababin for M3S at one point suggested everyone use Rinnon/Hector either, though. That endorsement harmed the pastebin.
Now everyone does what they want until a wipe or two happens and people get a 'feel' for what others are going to do. Honestly ridiculous.
Nah, his strats are highly inefficient a lot of the time and don't involve uptime. That is objectively a worse strat.
They're not visually satisfying. Visually satisfying is Joonbob.
Hector helped me get into raiding, his guides are easily readable and understandable. I don't get the point of hating him. For PF it's very practical to be on the same strat as other people you don't know
It's not Hector strats that are the problem it's the people who use Hector strats almost always end up being a problem
It is 100% the people that use the guides that are the problem, videos take a while to make and he typically gets the first fight out late week 1, and if you are clearing the first fight late week 1 you are probably on the lower end of the skill bell curve, for the people that actually clear savage. I typically only trust groups using Hector on maybe the 4th fight. Good pf players typically reference week 1 strats, week 1 players are still using downtime sunrise because that is what they cleared on and it is late enough in the fight they don't deem it necessary to learn uptime for a mechanic you can basically skip with damage.
@@koy540 how is clearing the first fight late week 1 having a skill issue people who have a job typically cant put out 4+ hours a day trying to go through the tier week 1 theres nothing wrong with clearing one fight a week. do you say people have a skill issue if they cant do the new ultimate first month? people who clear m1s week 2 probably have a more understanding of the mechanics than you do.
There is rarely an issue with often used strats tbh, It's almost always the people making it harder for themselves than it has to be.
@@Arabassassin13 Sure you can claim that who is clearing with hector. But I will weigh my personal empirical evidence over the claim you make. Hector strat parties for me personally are never consistent, and it always takes longer than it should to re-clear. And my empirical evidence doesn't even conflict with your claims people who have a job and don't spend time on the game will naturally be less skilled at the game.
@@koy540 Equating week 1 savage to skill is laughable - the fact you even mention it shows you are on the low bell curve of skill :X
I wonder how many of the people who hate on him also rely on him.
I didn’t know people were holding it against him that he had to update a guide or come out with a correction vid. I respect that greatly. He drops videos pretty early on, and doesn’t let pride get in the way of saying, ‘hey, here’s a better, more current way pf is using’ and moving on with his life.
I didn't even know people hated on hector, his videos are always so nice and to the point. A lot of other guides I've seen are too cluttered with loud bgm. That's why a lot of people like hector since it's not like that, and it's something I wish more people did
I use hector to understand how something functions, whether the strat is the pf one or nor is irrelevant. PF is too dumb or either unwanting to adapt or change the second something is solidified and will fight over it until something else sticks. Hector is nice cuz in a pf description instead of writing out a long shopping list its just a nice "hector" or even "pastebin" its short and solid and nothing is to be questioned. The problem is that hector offers multiple ways he's seen people do something and pf can't understand that one or none is better than another and just yeets with one and refuses to want to change it when Hector literally says "its early strats and its w/e ur group decides to do" It's never been his fault at all lol
Hector is the damn best strat content creator we could have, people are just dumb man. He literally uploads mini guide videos to highlight a better strat later on to keep the guides updated. How can anyone hate on that? Do you prefer having shit videos or no videos at all? You can still choose your own strat, youre not forced to do his. Of course pf is gonna be filled with hector strats when theres literally zero (or just plain worse) alternatives most of the time. Give the dude a break, he does nothing wrong.
Yes, he uploads mini guide videos to highlight a better strat... And nobody watches them because they already "know" how to do the fight from his first video.
Joonbob.
In my experience, as a PF'er, I've generally used Hector as a starting point, and then group by group, figure out better ways to do certain mechs. But even with new players, Hector is a good resource for helping to visualize mechanics and how they play out in the arena from a top down perspective, which you can't really do without 3rd party tools.
When someone says they need his guides to understand a strat, then during prog they have no idea how to deviate and solve the strat using different positions; that person is just lying about understanding the strat and has simply only memorised some positions from an image during a hector video
Which is sad because the Hector videos are some of the best at explaining how mechanics resolve, so anyone actually absorbing the info would be able to adapt. I think some people just use his videos as a raid plan slideshow.
like in m3s people absolutly cannot grasp that you can fit 2, 3 people even tightly into some of the safe spots for fuses. Instead, they will plant in the middle "this is my spot im right" even if them adjusting would have also worked (also for healer uptime purposes its also literally easier to spread closer to boss instead of one going hella far away if healers get short tethers)
We've literally had multiple phys ranged DPS tell my tank friend that they actually have no idea how to find safe spots, they just stack on him (because he is their partner)
It pisses him off so much.
@@michaelbart7014 We had this issue last night. I told a Bard and White Mage that melee does not have to drop uptime on Fusedown if they stack very tightly in the center and they refused to adjust and just said "melee have to disengage."
We kept killing them until they left.
@@SaveMeXenu I mean for prog purposes it's always good to safety game but once you know it and others know it, uptime should be the next goal. But yeah its frustrating that people just won't use their eyes and won't adjust lol
in 99.9% of cases it's the people who end up being the problem instead of the strat I've got a blackmage in my group who is usually very slow on movement because they greed all the time
I mean, that's just BLM's in general though.
Greeding during prog is the correct time to greed. You learn where to greed instead of wiping the group on reclears.
Hector does a great breakdown of mechanics. I think his choices for resolving the mechanics is very poor (sometimes).
However, Party finder adhering and sticking to 'hector' for all strats regardless of common sense or viability is the REAL problem.
IE Hector has some bad points, Party finder ( the real culprit) amplifies the downsides that makes me want to rip my hair out.
Eh, it's often easier to have people do what they're used to than to try to get them to try a new strat, even if the new one would be technically easier.
This right here
fppong BLAMES TH-cam FROGS BALDLY
Step 1: fuck around by throwing shade at Hector
Step 2: find out majority of your fanbase and the raiding community is held together by his guides and is willing to go to bat for him
The issue is definitely viewer-based. A lot of people going into those videos are looking for an easy solution to the mechanics, without actually understanding how the mechanic functions, which makes it so they can't stray from the strat they know. For example, if you had a math problem with mutiple ways to solve it, but only knew the answer via one way without knowing how I got there, anyone else using another method would absolutely confuse you and cause distress on both sides.
It's not Hector's fault, it's just lazy research on the viewers part.
I really think a lot of people will just parrot others. They hear one person say hector guide is bad so they just say its bad without even knowing it. He's taking the time to teach and give people at least a relative grasp of the fight. It's just hateful people man, so hateful
If it was not for Hector I wouldn't have been able to raid with my static/friends because he's the only one that presents them in a super concise, beginner friendly way, he allowed us to have UwU as our very first raid experience before ever stepping foot in a savage.
It’s not hector or his strats that I dislike it’s the people who have become so reliant on him and can’t play the game without a hector guide
I can't make any starts myself, Hector has contributed to an immense amount of my clears.
Hector is a great base line. Take what works for you, and take the information you have to fix the parts you don’t feel work. For example it used to be full hector for M2’s but now people do their own things on alarm 1 (mk), and many different ways of beats 3.
Me and my elemental friends watch Hector for the purpose of learning the fight. Because he explains the mechs well that it makes it easier to adjust to whatever strat. And watching a clear pov is just not enough.
I always find hector's videos super helpful for visualising the fights to better understand it. The strats are not always the best ones which we saw in M1S, he had different baits but baiting the same place was better, but he mentions that these are early strategies. You don't need to follow the video religiously, just use it to learn a fight and adapt to it to make the fight easier for your group.
Hector’s visualizations single-handedly converted me from a turbo casual who absolutely refused to take part in EX/Savage to someone who is now willing to engage because I can understand what needs to be done and what I need to fix when I mess up.
I remember Mr Happy talking about something similar where people would watch his initial savage/EX guide and think that’s how it should always be done.
the point is hector didn't do anything wrong. but we blame him anyway?
I remember when I tried to get back into raiding and all I see in PF was "Hector". I thought it was some code name and not some YT channel. And yes, he updated his Everkeep vid.
Yeah i did look up the PF lists too and it was 90% Hector strat 😂
@@soldierorsomething i was on JP til Stormblood.
So I had macros for positions and people told me, "Hector".
All I understood from JP was "W", which was "lol", and I was even more confused with people having "Hector" in PF and chat.
Thought it was a code name for mechanic or cheese tactic.
I like Hector vids. I think hating him is just the "cool" thing to do right now. I think it's good to use a lot of different peoples videos to fully understand the fight.
as far as i know the main reason why people hate hector is because he deviates from what is standard for pf at the time and the people that watch his videos then joins groups that arent doing hector and sometimes forces hectors strats or positioning and either dont say anything or try to claim that the rest of the group is doing something wrong.
my main gripe is with the positioning like with p10s pf had MT on east tank tower and OT on west tank tower so when it resolved you ended up on the correct side you do your spreads on so after you build the bridge you werent running the whole map to get to your position. after hector release his guide where he had the tank position swapped there were a bunch of tanks joining and forcing their way with hector positions in groups that werent doing hector strat.
same for m3s currently where final fusedown pastebin m1/mt are taking a/c m2/ot are taking d/b whereas in hector m1/mt are taking a/d m2/ot are taking c/b.
tbh hector was out of line for p10s but the m3s pastebin is equally dumb
another grip is also people just listing pf with just hector or pastebin instead of listing what strats and i think thats just fucking stupid and probably causes more hate to him because people associate the bad groups with whatever guide maker they were following but NA will never switch to just listing the strats in pf or using macros so its just something we have to just deal with even if i think its dumb as hell
The problem with “standard pf” is there usually isn’t a standard when he releases videos, or, even if there is, it’s not the same for different DCs. It’s hard to get it right for everyone…
I like that he gets guides out that are (generally) great, but also REALLY quick and early in the tier, so people can clear faster.
Yes, he might have to redo stuff, but everyone does. Yuki is not definitive on release, things will change. Same with Rinon.
This is the entire issue with peoples VERY VERY VERY WEIRD attitude towards Mr.Happy "ruining a raid tier" or a certain fight, for making a guide and one part of it was a little wrong, and now the dude gets clowned on, and its like... Its week/day one strats. Chill.
Maybe if people spent more time getting better at the game, and figured out better ways to do things, they wouldnt be completely lost and try blaming content creators the next time they go "baa baa follow guide, hector hector" and MAYBE JUST MAYBE take some personal responsibility and CHANGE YOUR STRATS to better suit you and your group.
You cannot change strats if you PF. Players will leave the group if you even start typing that you want to do something different from what they've already learned.
Also it's rich that you have this thing about people needing to get better at the game, but you're saying you can't even clear before a Hector video comes out.
Hector got me through my first savage clears ever in anabaseios. I saw people were doing jp levinstrike so I learned that on top of what hector taught me
shoutout to the time you had a clip of e12s trine mech. That came in clutch for me as a tank. Tyvm.
Hector has been great with guides, its helped me, my friends, and static clear extremes and savages multiple times.
Theres nothing wrong with a "hey disclaimer there may be better strats later, this is just an early guide to help folks prog and clear"
People will hate on everyone who does strats. Just look at what people did to mizzteq. Same thing. no matter how many warnings hector gives that these are day 1 strats, there is still rage about it. Hector is great
What happened with mizzteq?
@@michaelangeleaux literally just the same thing. People just complaining that the guides aren't good enough for them or not the right Strat or whatever. People just complain as if it's some sort of civic duty for these people to make guides
@@zolmationcomplaining is good. It means there is a chance to be better, i guess i should just thank hector for his dogshit strats.
@kiretan8599 The horror of making your own pf and putting the strategies into the description you prefer.
@@ruily276 something something NA never reads PF and just clicks join haha
the reason people don't like hector for the most part is that his guides will differ from the strats that get established by the time he gets to them, thus causing confusion
And they are almost always simple mechanics. Like, why? Just throwing more sh*t in the mixing bowl that PF does having to spell out a paragraph of all the strats for a fight that may or may not be a hybrid of two strats. Most people who follow his guides like a bible do not understand the mechanics enough to know why things are done.
Hector's guides, optimal or not, makes it more bearable to PF because a lot of people would just adopt them instead of running with a million different strats.
Baldo just literally turned his statement around 180 degrees xff
no he didn't you just braindead wtf
Hector helps SO MANY PEOPLE! In the end that’s what matters
Hector is good for the community. End of. If you don’t like his strats, make your own or make a static or something…
I agree: this isn't a content creator problem, it's a symptom of a bigger issue: the PF problem. PF can't agree on a single strat. A fraction of players want Yukizuri, another fraction want Rinon, then a bigger fraction whichever pastebin is popular at the time, and lastly there's Hector. And then if you wait long enough, you'll get Joonbob.
Ain't no way people actually blame Hector and not the ones *joining* into pf's who proceed to do weird shit. Like, why do people not read pf descriptions of things they are willingly joining. People need to cancel these kinds of people instead of blaming a resource maker.
For me, having stardardized but hard strat is always better than non-standard braindead strat in PF settings.
Hector is great for the community. By far the cleanest guides and I'm sure he's the reason a lot of people are even able to get into Savage in the first place.
Like you said. Hector strats are early prog strats. The community uses them as a springboard to then refine them. When that happens hector will update his guides to add the changes the community has come up with to make the strat easier. This is literally just pepple unwilling to adapt. Those are the ones saying they hate him.
You sure did flip positions on this real quick
Imagine someone takes his time to help people to clear their end game content for free with TH-cam giving some few cents for viewing and people are so entirely entitled and privileged that they still go their way to criticize him for making “bad guides”
...Because when you are actively making the pug process worse by releasing you early day 1 guides that are incredibly inefficient, you deserve to be criticized. Better you don't release guides at all.
@@SaveMeXenu That's entitlement and privilege for expecting early day 1 guide when most people are going to be busy learning about fights and going blind.
You chose to read the guide knowing there will be errors. That's on you. You can correct his errors, but to tell him his guide sucks is where you draw the line and make yourself look stupid.
@@LucasAndDisney I make myself look stupid because PF latches on to bad strats and I'm forced to use them myself if I want to PF? Okay.
on one hand it's nice having unified strats for encounters, but on the other hand it's annoying when the hive mind ignores a better strat. game8's midnight sabbath method is easier than hectors, but it doesn't matter everyone wants to do hector.
0:17 xffing
The funny thing is people will complain about hector. But sometimes the strat he explains is exactly the same as "pastebin" or whatever ppl are using. Like one of the guides for this tier he said it was based on the pastebin. But people still cry, which tells me they havent even seen the video or are just complaining just to complain.
Problem with hector guides is that PF uses something already, then his guide comes out, PF starts using them but is now split and you have to know multiple strats to PF now
Xeno is one of the most sane FF14 players and I 100% agree with your take on that
people complaining why they get medium fries after ordering medium fries.
Basically Hector is Suffering from what Mr. Happy did years ago and got hate for the same thing.
The entitlement of some people hating someone doing thankless job
You had said something along the lines of “he’s guilty of getting content out too soon”. I think the verbiage you used implied that he should do something other than get it out fast. Which, his guides are put out soon so people can clear sooner not so they can do them the best. fppong types baldly
Yes, so bad players can get carried by hector's bad guides and then refuse to learn any other way.
Xeno: I dont hate Hector
Chat: Ok but why do you hate Hector though?
Even Mr Happy gives early strats that also says better strats will come later. But I use hector, I like other creators but I think Hector is good too, and he's good at updating his guides when he can. I know Joonbob got mad on twitter at hector because he uplaods videos before he clears the content.
The problem I think is when guides come out the fun is lost. And people don’t realise it but that’s the issue. Suddenly you aren’t having fun proggng a fight and learning on the go. Now every group expects everyone to know what all mechs are and how to resolve everything before you see it cus ‘why haven’t you watched the guide now it’s out?’ Just kills the fun
the issue is that people adopt it. and refuse to learn new ones. mostly easier
hector the protector. hector the content respecter.
love the youtube frogs slander sir, keep it up!
My actual issue is, when hector is not the best strat nor the easiest, and I get forced to do it, is why I started taking PF as a race against time.
My issue is not Hector. it is how people take his videos as law, cool dude painful PFs.
I don't even want to imagine partyfinder on day 2 after a raid came out without Hector. If you have a static and can figure out your own strats and stuff - good for you! But this is not the reality for all those ppl who rely on PF, and a common strategy from day 2 onwards is a huge relief. It's what makes kills possible in week 1. If you want to hate on him: Go and do it better in the same time! I'll be here, waiting (and judging lol)
my only pet peeve is that guides come out way to fast.
I know nothing prevents me from opening a pf with blind progress. But the guides kinda prevents me from filling those. Once a guide is out you have to view them or your pfs wont fill anymore. And even then there are ppl shouting the answer after 1-2 wipes (not hectors fault but after guides are out ppl gain knowledge faster and more widespread making those ppl more prominent).
On the other hand i watch them after a lookout or 2 so i can clear faster within my limited time.
I would generally like if content creator would withhold guides for like 2 weeks but that will never happen.
Obvious solution would be to join a blind static.....but then again: limited+unregular timeframes makes this hard
Nah, you can still fill groups. But the problem is that you'll get people who have seen the video joining them because they want to look like a super genius pretending to intuit the fight when really they're just parroting the guide that you specifically asked not to use in the description.
I don't really care about who makes the guides, important is that the strats are working and that people who do PF agree on one strat so if you join a PF you don't get confused with the mechanics because this particular group solves them differently than the majority of PF groups
Hector is FF14 Raid Jesus and no one can convince me otherwise
I few days ago people ware mad at him for the "same baits" strat upload, saying that it's gonna confuse the pf, and the pf is doing other way, clearly these peoples never progged day/week one and don't know how this whole pf thing works
(pepeprayge for people start to using the JP priority for m2s)
what's the jp priority o.o
the issue is the players that take hector strats as gospel and refuse to learn anything else
I mean, to be perfectly fair I think the last clip about about him taking about hector dident have enough context if this was his actual opinion because it really sounded like he said something completely different
the only thing i hate about hector strats is the sudden change of pf switching to them after week one. just a minor inconvenience really
Hector is like CNN or mainstream media, doesn’t care , it’s always about who come first and change later .
If u are doing pf u have to know rinon yukizuri and hector by defoult, sometime u have even to mix and match. I guess people are mad because sometimes there is a better strat 100% but people keep doing the inefficent one or simply because people can't adapt on the spot to different strategies.
The problem with Hector isnt even with him directly, he is pretty chill.
The problem is the people that use his videos. Hector opened the savage raid scene to a huge amount of casual players. Said casuals dont try and understand the reasoning behind mechanics and just go to where hector said to go. They treat his videos as gospel and it creates parties that refuse to adapt to any possible issues
The real question is why do people use BOSS RELATIVE strats instead of Hector's strat which comes with a video on the FIRST TURN of the FIRST RAID TIER for a mechanic that ISN'T REMOTELY BOSS RELATIVE. I lost brain cells in M1 learning all the different ways one can make the game harder for everyone else haha.
xdx get his ass druid!
2 reasons why SOME ppl hate on Hector:
1 - ppl are just jealous, they think they´re better but they ain't and they're butthurt about it
2 - ppl blame the messenger and not the message, Hector mostly deals with week 1 strats, so when Comment Legend #69 is still progging the 2nd fight of the tier 5 weeks after release and wants to implement the "new jp braindead strat" but can't because most ppl have already cleared on Hector and can't or won't change their habits on PF, they blame Hector for it
Hector cooked up some real bullshit in the past which peaked in P8S Phase 2 having the most horrible strats in existance which weren't played by anyone. He got big backlash for them.
However starting P9S he started to doublecheck his strats with actual Raiders and they have been very servicable with the occasional addendum after since then.
Ppl keep shit talking him, hes about to quit, hes losing faith in trying to help the ffxiv community out
I think his guides are very well put together but I personaly find it annoying that he often uses different positions (e.g. for spreads and stacks etc.) than what the PF is using before his guides release. For example in M4S during EE2 or the Pair-Spread-Adds in P2 the PF was playing according to two Raidplans which were commonly accepted by PF(forgot the names and can't look it up since I'm at work). In those Raidplans were positions defined which worked and all was good but in Hectors guide he uses different positions for no benefit what so ever. The result is that the PF is now split into people playing Hector and people playing according to the Raidplans. This happened in Endwalker a lot as well.
It's not a huge deal to just look up all the positions before I join a group I understand that, but at the same time I'm asking myself why he didn't just use the positions everyone in PF got accustomed to when there is no benefit in changing them.
Generally, I like all his guides but I’m not a pf Andy or week one progger. So they are usually good for my smooth brain.
I bet Hector still has his hair, xdx.
this is some classic youtube frog behavior.
The problem atleast in EU is not Hector himself. It’s that his Strats are usually not very good like his caloric and pangenesis Strat in p12s. Normally his guides also come out very late and pf already has a good and braindead way to do it but then the pf cult of Hector just wants to change good pf Strats to worse Strats just because it’s Hector. The other problem why he gets hate from raiders is when he takes a Strat that is not his he does not usually give the credit to the person who came up with the Strat.