One of the riders in our local group is 5' and rides an X2, and it's almost comical watching her on it. It just exemplifies how it really is bulky and excessive looking. 😂 Thank you for sharing though. Keep it up, Tim! 👍
Dualtron X2 is for someone who has money to waste. You can almost get 2 wolf kings for the price of the X not to mention the X barely folds. Love my wolf King Gt pro and my Dualtron storm. Great video btw
@TechMack thank you so much :) :) love making these videos...just finished another video that has the Wolf King GT in it...what an awesome ride it is. Do you use your King and Storm for mainly street riding?
The motorcycle style front end of the Wolf line trumps any other features of competing scooters because I’ll never feel stable and secure at high speeds without it.
Honestly, I prefer the trigger throttle a lot more over the thumb throttle, so it wouldn't be a negative for me. The biggest negative is the price. For $8500 USD, I'm probably getting a motorcycle or getting the entire Kaabo lineup. Love your reviews, keep up the great work!
Been riding the wolf king on off road trails for a year and it is a beast! Wouldn't recommend it for your 1st scooter, but once you learn to handle the weight and stay on it, it is amazing
I was the opposite. Never rode an electric scooter and i went straight to the top end. I had a strict budget and if i bought a low end scooter and could not sell it ,i would be out that money. When I received my scooter i just took my time. Slowly got used to it. Did not even go above 20mph for nearly 2 months. Out of these 2 I defiantly recommend the king. Sine wave controller all the way.
wise purchase...I bought a used Zero 9 loved it but had to change the tires a lot due to size..if I had saved up the money maybe I would have bought a better one...or maybe not at all and Tim's Electric would never have started :) :) decisions :)
I also love the Wolf King GT as you get very high specs for its price point. I agree with you for the price of the X2, they should have gotten ridden of the ey3 display and went with a TFT display. That scooter is for people who want big batteries and speed. Here in California, people hook up external batteries to their existing scooters for longer range, particularly here in Northern California referred to as "Nak Packs". The guy who made it here was named "Nak" sadly passed away a few months ago. There was even a group ride in his honor instructing everyone to bring out their "Nak Packs" for the ride. I was honored to have met the guy on my very first group ride hosted by Rated E. Good comparison Tim!
Yeah that $8500 price point is just crazy. The only video influencer that I've seen that uses a dualtron on a daily basis is the Electric Scooter Academy. Steve uses it for his DoorDash delivery vehicle. He doesn't own a car, he uses scooters exclusively to deliver food and make a living. Other than that, I can't imagine who would be willing to dump that kind of money into a scooter.
Price is highly region dependent, the x2 limited is like 4k$ here Its more of a motorcycle, yes. My opinion is that its made for long range high speed on not so great roads cause of greater stability and bigger battery. One of my coworkers have it, he uses it to go to work and back (we have underground parking) For him its a great solution cause he lives like 30 km from the office.
Great review Tim I made a good choice purchasing the wolf king gt. So much power and very reliable without having to dish out almost 10k for a scooter when you can just get a motorcycle
I'm confused by your comment, are you saying to buy a motorcyle? I think it might make sense for some...especially if the commute is long...motorcycles can be a great solution :)
@Nico Werschler Glad you enjoyed it! I'm doing great :) I think I've got about 4 EScooters and 1 Ebike to review very soon :) Thanks for watching and saying hello :)
Hey Tim great and simple reviews! I own a mega e-scooter too, Laotie Es19 that i'm selling now and I have ordered a Laotie Ti40 Pro (2700 euro) which is the same category as the Dualtron x2. E-scoots up to 50+ kgs are the mega scoots as we call them. The bigger ones are for the fanatics only which I would call the Ultra scooters!
Hi Tim Thanks for the video. I guess if your just looking at battery, speed, range and cost then the wolf GT makes more sense. I think you have to take a closer look at the overall manufacturing quality, the quality of parts, longevity, engineering and design to make things make more sense. It’s like comparing a Cadillac to a Bentley…maybe a poor analogy but hopefully it makes it easier to understand my point. When I look at the two scooters side by side the dualtron X2 looks like an engineering marvel compared to the wolf. When you jump up and down on the X2 it seems so much smoother with so much more travel than the wolf. Anyway, to really understand the cost difference, once again you would have to do a much deeper comparison on the manufacturing, quality, parts and engineering. You can ask the same question to someone that bought a Ferrari when they could have bought a Corvette …Why? They are really two different beasts! Just my opinion.
I own an X2 and it's a Cadillac on steroids. So smooth and comfortable. I live in a country where there are some crazy steep hills, and the Dulatron is a dream. It's nearly impossible to make a scooter for every size, weight person, but the X2 comes pretty close. I ride with a bunch of other scooters and we often switch rides. Everyone that steps on the Dulatron agreed it's a cut above. When it comes to making any sizable purchase, it's always comes down to one thing. Your bank account. I mean, why would anyone buy a Bentley? It's simple, because I can.
@@TimsElectric definitely watched! All things considered, the Wolf King makes more sense. Perhaps another epic match in the future could be the Wolf King vs. Segway "superscooter" GT2. Happy scootin!
Honestly, I think it's probably targeted at adrenalin junkies with more dollars than sense. I can definitely see the Wolf King being a great 3rd or 4th scooter and a natural progression from something like an Eagle One, but I'm with you on the Dualtron, I don't get it.
If you don’t need to lug it up stairs or put it in a trunk the Wolf can make a great main scooter. Lots of power and speed but can be infinitely adjusted to suit your riding style. It’s definitely not for everyone but it was the perfect scooter for me. I have the power set decently high and lowered the top speed a lot. so I can attack hills and when needed I can mingle with cars and traffic at red lights and not get ran over.
@Peaceful4You totally disagree lol...in my humble opinion I think the Wolf looks so much better..modern display, modern buttons...etc....but that's just me :) plus love the colour :)
Thank you for the video. I can't decide between these two. We have one second hand x2 up here almost same price with King gt (brand new). Only its massive body makes me think if it would make maneveurs harder than the other in traffic jam which I'll always be in.
Interesting...you're right of course...the maneuverability will be reduced...however if it's being used as a commuter then I might even go with the X2...especially as you already know it so well. It's heavier of course but for street use only/commuting I think the X2 might edge out the Wolf. However if you need to ride trails, and do other things with it then the Wolf is more versatile I think :)
Maybe at some point or when you can I like to see a review on the vsett super 72 I think it's like similar performance as the wolf king GT pro. I think it's just a bit heavier then the king GT pro, the vsett super 72 has battery a 72v 35 battery. But yea I like the wolf king GT pro mainly because it has dual stems making it probably more sturdy at high speeds making it more rock solid then the dualtron X.
The issue with the vsett S72 is the way it folds. The Kaabo WKGTpro has a more robust locking mechanism, no play at all and it never comes loose. The VS72 clamps have play and they come loose with aggressive riding.
@@jaycarl1562 nah I'll pass I'm not getting the super 72 it's too overpriced for little performance. On Amazon those Chinese made scooter have way more watts and travel farther distance then the super 72. I like the JGH 6000 watt scooter for only $2,400 I'm eye balling that scooter travels about same distance as the wolf king pro GT on Amazon. I'm thinking maybe a dualtron scooter too but hate how all have that skinny stem with all of em having the creeking issue.
Nice comparison vid Tim! I still think 72v scooters are overkill. The money you spend on the 72v components for the bit of extra speed and acceleration, just doesn't make much sense to me. Most riders only ride between 20-30mph for a good portion of the time, so all the extra you get with a 72v setup really isn't practical. Plus, those higher speeds are sketchy at best. 52v-60v is the happy medium with 52v really giving you the most bang for your buck with performance still. The short stems on the Dualtron's are just terrible, not sure why they still make them that way. They are just so over priced as well, it's unfortunate. I thought about the X2 as well, and who it would be made for, and couldn't really come up with anything as well. I guess just your enthusiasts rider with extra money to burn. lol Anyway, thanks again and I look forward to your next vid!
@Blue Force e-Rides I'm going to think about that as I ride to soccer this morning on a 52V Ghost...I do like the battery size on the Wolf but if it was a 52V system it would be ....quick math.....(35 Ah , 72V = 2520 Wh.....so 2520 Wh at 52V would be 48 Ah...that's crazy!!! :) :) Thanks for watching and making be do the math :)
Great review. I just picked up a roadrunner D4.40 going to ride it tonight for the first time. Dualtron seems to ride off their name but you are so right. Looks outdated. The wolf looks great but too heavy for me. Keep up the great work dude.
@@TimsElectric nice to see bigger riders like you making real reviews. When I see a video and the dude weighs 100lbs and is like omg this scooter or skateboard is so fast I roll my eyes haha
very nice video! You have made me understand a little which one you choose! I have a big dilemma between Kaboo, Dualtron, Nami, Vsett, which of them should I buy because I like them all but I don't know which one to choose for me!? I want a powerful scooter that lasts a long time and is durable and comfortable !!! Which one would you recommend ? Thank you, greetings from Spain ☺️💖👏🏽
Thanks David, I really can't recommend a scooter I haven't tried and both the Namo and Vsett haven't given me the opportunity to try their scooters...I've tried :) Love Love the Wolf King GT :)
@@TimsElectric Hi Tim !! thank you very much for your reply !! surely you have tried two of the best electric scooters on the market: Dualtron and Kaboo !! Yes the Wolf King GT has to be very comfortable and very fast !!! It is an excellent machine! I congratulate you on your videos. I like them, they are the most sincere videos and this is greatly appreciated 💙 thank you and best regards 🛴🛴🛴💛
Hey Tim hope you are well! I took a break but am back! Just got myself a DSL (finally pulled the trigger on my superscoot)... Regarding this review, is there a reason you felt compelled to make this comparison? They're pretty different market segments in my mind... I think for the DX2 perhaps a more appropriate comparison would be to a Dark Knight (or to a lesser degree a Hunter Quad)? DX2 and now the DX3 (X Limited, which has upgraded displays, etc) are flagship models with the price and heft to go with it. I think of the Wolf King GT more in line with a D Thunder 2 or even DSL... Obviously the Nami Burn-E2 Max is the most direct comparison for the WKGT.... Maybe throw in a older Bronco Xtreme 11 as well. It's also interesting to me you equate thumb throttles as being higher end. I think you know I've always preferred trigger throttles and is one of the main reasons I DIDN'T go with a WKGT... and DID get the DSL... it's awesome AF! EY3 throttle I have no issues with - all these fancy displays I could care less about.... if someone comes up with an effective HUD that would be something - but when I'm riding I could care less how pretty my display is... I just want to know how fast I'm going quickly. Anyways, happy riding and be safe out there... I notice you don't wear gloves or gear (other than a bike helmet) which is an absolute must for these beast scooters imho...
All great observations :) So it really came down to the most expensive scooters I had tried...no very technical you're right and possibly other options could have been better :) Honestly, I think after riding motorbikes as a young hooligan, I think a twist throttle would be best....would do you think? Have you seen one on a scooter? I just don't like loosing a thumb when riding lol :) Maybe one day I'll get a chance to try a Nami :)
@@TimsElectric I actually gave a detailed comment about twist and half twist throttles somewhere else on your channel...I'll try to find it again lol... But basically a half twist i think would be perfect... But maybe I'm in the minority but I absolutely love trigger throttles but you have to set them up at a very low angle...much more ergonomic
Interesting...I saw that Ginger on Wheels swopped his throttle on some of his scooters....I wonder if we could get a throttle like a motorcycle...wouldn't that be the best ?
@@TimsElectric to each their own as they say. I have tried to twist throttle as well and again, I prefer the finger throttle over any other kind as I tried them all! But again to each their own as everybody's preference is different based on their own preferences :-) there is no right or wrong just like there is no perfect scooter there is a perfect way for you :-) meaning each individual person. But keep up the good work man always a pleasure watching your videos! Over and out, from the East Coast Canada all the way to the West Coast LOL :-)
@@TimsElectric haha cheers Tim ! Also is it funny I somehow KNEW ya were GONA crack the eh, the canadian way ? But it's so very true, EH ?!🤙be safe ride safe and #awareness
Would you say the Wolf King GT is ok for a 6'-5" 300 pounder?? I'm ok not getting top speed, but thinking moreso about the power on inclines. Thank you
Zero issues I suspect....it is so powerful...massive range, massive power...loved it :) Did you see my reviews of it? and my range tests? plus it won last years top scooter for big guys :)
@@TimsElectric thank you for the reply, I'll check your other videos on it. And I didn't know it won. Very good to know. And they're $800 off right now‼️ 👍🏻👍🏻 Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄
Easy to decide. I have rode both types. Even own a dualtron with the dreaded square controller. Sine wave vs square wave. Square wave is horrible and yesterdays tech. If buying i would highly recommend only buying an electric ride with a quality sine wave controller. Huge difference. Butter smooth performance, much more efficient .
Question.. With square wave controllers I heard it's like a light switch "on or off" power. So does that mean no matter how much you pull the trigger whether its 10% or 90% you get 100% of the power?
it's just not as smooth with a square controller...if you press it 40% you do only get 40% power...but if you adjust it can be a bit jerky? so sine is a lot smoother ...in my experience :)
@@TimsElectric Ok so if you pull the throttle on a square wave to 40% you get the full 40% right away, it wont eventually be at full 100% if its held at 40% long enough..?? And with sine wave when you pull it 40% you get 40% but it's gradual to 40% not instant? Is that the difference? I thought square wave was 100% all the time no matter how much you pull the throttle, n speed was dependent on how long you held the throttle in whatever position.
Dualtron X2 is simply designed to be top dog (for the moment), king of the hill, and yes if something can do 65MPH, it ought to be built like a motorcycle including extra weight and cost. Too heavy for me though, I'd want no more than 100lbs.
gosh @UberGreenDownTownElectroRides, I don't remember...I actually don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday lol :) What did I say? I would double check on the Voro website to check :)
@@TimsElectric I don't know lol but ya just not finding a way to just be able to make payments and not have to buy the entire thing at once there has to be some way.
Never rode any Dualtron, but I did get a Wolf King GT Pro last week. This is already too powerful and too heavy and even a lil too big. That Dualtron makes the Wolf look like a normal-sized scooter, which is comical as I'm super out of shape and have already struggled (unsuccessfully) to try to get the Wolf up a curb lol. The suspension on the X2 in this video looks insane. I won't be ever loading it into a truck or carrying it up stairs so I don't care much about the weight, but even still it's kinda impractical. Whereas the Dualtron looks like a crazy science project a 5 year old dreamed up in their head. With that said I would absolutely love to ride it to see how it compares to my Wolf, but I'd never want to own one lol. A week in I'm having some struggles getting it in and out of tight spots, I couldn't even imagine trying with an X2. There's some TH-camr who managed to rig a Dualtron battery onto his Wolf King and has a 77ah monster scooter lol.
You're so right! The Wolf is amazing but I don't think I need more range lol..I did a range test video on it and it went for ages..35AH if memory serves so making it 77AH sounds nutz...but if you need the range I guess :) How are you liking the ride on the Wolf though? SMooooth like butter :)?
@@TimsElectric I love how smooth it is, I know a lot of reviews complain the suspension isn’t adjustable. But they’ve ridden many other scooters to have reference. The only other scooter I’ve had was a Ninebot G30 which has no suspension. The roads out here are terrible so the Wolf’s ride quality is unreal to me.
They probably wanted to make a product to appeal to people who want the biggest baddest thing...Pick up trucks compete like that as well. It's hard to compete with the Wolf King gt pro, so they figured let's make something that at least looks like a beast to get customers who want that sort of thing and can afford it. Some people just like access...Why get a hummer, the biggest pick up truck, a Great Dane the biggest steak etc..Or as the manufacturer why they built this particular unit and who is their target consumer.
I have bought new scooters and used scooters. As of late I have rec'd scooters to review. However and I say this to every manufacturer, my opinion on a scooter or ebike is mine and I don't take any payment for doing reviews (like others do). So you can be assured that all opinions are my own. To answer your specific question the X2 was borrowed and the Wolf was kindly sent to me from Voro Motors. Voro were amazing. They didn't ask for anything, not even a review...they were happy as viewers of my videos had been buying from them and had mentioned that they had watched my videos and they just wanted to say thank you. I was blown away as you can imagine :) Hope that helps :)
@@TimsElectric yeah lucky you mate these scooters are real expensive I bought a dualtron storm myself and it was £2300 in uk. I just wanted to know if you spent $10000 on these 2 scooters
@@TrinoWins the Storm is epic :) :) nice choice...seems like a very reasonable price for one too...hopefully the UK get sorted with scooter laws too :) :) Love to see people riding Storms in London instead of Diesel cars :)
I think Tim was giving prices in $CDN as he is based in Canada...are you giving prices in $US...? Oh, just re-watched and he does mention price in US. Hmmm, maybe he mixed up the exchange...
HI Nicko, it depends where you buy it :) Up here in Canada for example I see two different prices (In USD) but most don't even have it so the price listed doesn't matter :)
@@TimsElectric The Weped is honestly a rather disappointing experience. It quotes 30kW of power but unfortunately they're basing that off the phase amp ratings of the controllers which simply isnt correct. Looking at the specs of the actual controllers they aren't rated in battery amps so there isn't a great way to measure the actual power rating of the scooter but its likely to be more in the 8kW range vs the 30kW they advertise. I've tried the Weped SS and compared to the Wolf King GT I would say the King pulls slightly harder while the Weped takes a few seconds to get going. There are also other issues with the Weped such as premature battery death since the battery isnt rated to take the power the controllers are trying to pull, the motors tend to overheat because they're only rated for around 3kW and all of the bolts like the come loose.
Both are overpriced, way too heavy and no one needs to go 100km on a scooter just way too fast. When you ask who is the dualtron for the answer is no one.
so let me get this right i paid 900.00 to 45mph , you paid 8.500 ppounds to go 60mph ???? i have scooter none cost me that stupid money all of them go 30mph plus some even cost me 500.00 pounds , why would i drop an extra 7k just for more acceleration ???? , scooter i paid 800.00 pounds for 28ah , 40mph single motor ????? why do people spend stupid money just to get the speed quicker i have the same motorbike suspension and high specs ?? not ev spent 3k have more than 1 ????
@@TimsElectric have you know I have got many free scooters too , I review them one day may you may have a collaboration on a video review , till then brother. Happy scooting, keep upnthe food work , Ps When manufactures message they go crazy lol 😆 email inbox is full.
One of the riders in our local group is 5' and rides an X2, and it's almost comical watching her on it. It just exemplifies how it really is bulky and excessive looking. 😂 Thank you for sharing though. Keep it up, Tim! 👍
Thank you...:)
Dualtron X2 is for someone who has money to waste. You can almost get 2 wolf kings for the price of the X not to mention the X barely folds. Love my wolf King Gt pro and my Dualtron storm. Great video btw
@TechMack thank you so much :) :) love making these videos...just finished another video that has the Wolf King GT in it...what an awesome ride it is. Do you use your King and Storm for mainly street riding?
The motorcycle style front end of the Wolf line trumps any other features of competing scooters because I’ll never feel stable and secure at high speeds without it.
@Dagwood Streets it does feel stable with the dual stem that's for sure :)
Totally agree
@@TimsElectricTim any chance the Wolf stem fits a 6’4 guy? I’m assuming no. Any recommendations for taller guy around 230lbs?
Honestly, I prefer the trigger throttle a lot more over the thumb throttle, so it wouldn't be a negative for me. The biggest negative is the price. For $8500 USD, I'm probably getting a motorcycle or getting the entire Kaabo lineup. Love your reviews, keep up the great work!
@j0epark1 lol...the entire Kaabo lineup...priceless :)
@@factcheck5017 you're so right....repositioning for your comfort is so important...I need to make a video about this :)
Amen on the trigger throttle!!!
@@jediradekcrif9568 lol
You can buy a Kaabo finger trigger it just plugs right in I believe
Been riding the wolf king on off road trails for a year and it is a beast! Wouldn't recommend it for your 1st scooter, but once you learn to handle the weight and stay on it, it is amazing
I'm loving the King 🤴
I was the opposite. Never rode an electric scooter and i went straight to the top end. I had a strict budget and if i bought a low end scooter and could not sell it ,i would be out that money. When I received my scooter i just took my time. Slowly got used to it. Did not even go above 20mph for nearly 2 months. Out of these 2 I defiantly recommend the king. Sine wave controller all the way.
wise purchase...I bought a used Zero 9 loved it but had to change the tires a lot due to size..if I had saved up the money maybe I would have bought a better one...or maybe not at all and Tim's Electric would never have started :) :) decisions :)
I also love the Wolf King GT as you get very high specs for its price point. I agree with you for the price of the X2, they should have gotten ridden of the ey3 display and went with a TFT display. That scooter is for people who want big batteries and speed. Here in California, people hook up external batteries to their existing scooters for longer range, particularly here in Northern California referred to as "Nak Packs". The guy who made it here was named "Nak" sadly passed away a few months ago. There was even a group ride in his honor instructing everyone to bring out their "Nak Packs" for the ride. I was honored to have met the guy on my very first group ride hosted by Rated E. Good comparison Tim!
Wow Tone, thanks so much...Nak Packs....very cool 😎
@@TimsElectric HOW FAST CAN THE WOLF GO TOP SPEED WITH A MAN YOUR SIZE? OVER 30?...USUALLY THEY BASE THESE ON A KID 5'5 150
lol...we'll never know...I'm Mr Slow :)
@@BOOSTEDLASER I've gone over 50 mph/80 kph on Speed 3/5 and I'm 265 pounds/120 kg !
you're a crazy man!!!
Yeah that $8500 price point is just crazy. The only video influencer that I've seen that uses a dualtron on a daily basis is the Electric Scooter Academy. Steve uses it for his DoorDash delivery vehicle. He doesn't own a car, he uses scooters exclusively to deliver food and make a living. Other than that, I can't imagine who would be willing to dump that kind of money into a scooter.
you're right I think....love Yogi Steve, he's crazy but love watching his videos :) @bryant7191,
Price is highly region dependent, the x2 limited is like 4k$ here
Its more of a motorcycle, yes.
My opinion is that its made for long range high speed on not so great roads cause of greater stability and bigger battery.
One of my coworkers have it, he uses it to go to work and back (we have underground parking)
For him its a great solution cause he lives like 30 km from the office.
Awesome @stupidclipsinc.2269, I bet it's comfy for his commute :)
Great review Tim I made a good choice purchasing the wolf king gt. So much power and very reliable without having to dish out almost 10k for a scooter when you can just get a motorcycle
I'm confused by your comment, are you saying to buy a motorcyle? I think it might make sense for some...especially if the commute is long...motorcycles can be a great solution :)
Great video Tim! Love this comparison - nice to see all the specs of these two fantastic scooters put side to side! Hope you are well.
@Nico Werschler Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm doing great :) I think I've got about 4 EScooters and 1 Ebike to review very soon :)
Thanks for watching and saying hello :)
Hey Tim great and simple reviews! I own a mega e-scooter too, Laotie Es19 that i'm selling now and I have ordered a Laotie Ti40 Pro (2700 euro) which is the same category as the Dualtron x2. E-scoots up to 50+ kgs are the mega scoots as we call them. The bigger ones are for the fanatics only which I would call the Ultra scooters!
@Panagiotis Afendoulidis awesome to hear from you...love the Mega and UItra Scooter classification :) :)
Hi Tim
Thanks for the video. I guess if your just looking at battery, speed, range and cost then the wolf GT makes more sense. I think you have to take a closer look at the overall manufacturing quality, the quality of parts, longevity, engineering and design to make things make more sense. It’s like comparing a Cadillac to a Bentley…maybe a poor analogy but hopefully it makes it easier to understand my point. When I look at the two scooters side by side the dualtron X2 looks like an engineering marvel compared to the wolf. When you jump up and down on the X2 it seems so much smoother with so much more travel than the wolf. Anyway, to really understand the cost difference, once again you would have to do a much deeper comparison on the manufacturing, quality, parts and engineering. You can ask the same question to someone that bought a Ferrari when they could have bought a Corvette …Why? They are really two different beasts! Just my opinion.
@ctk I love your analogy :) bang on :)
I own an X2 and it's a Cadillac on steroids. So smooth and comfortable. I live in a country where there are some crazy steep hills, and the Dulatron is a dream.
It's nearly impossible to make a scooter for every size, weight person, but the X2 comes pretty close.
I ride with a bunch of other scooters and we often switch rides. Everyone that steps on the Dulatron agreed it's a cut above.
When it comes to making any sizable purchase, it's always comes down to one thing. Your bank account.
I mean, why would anyone buy a Bentley?
It's simple, because I can.
@Hammer Tyme awesome to hear that you're loving it :) :)
He said the wolf had nutt brakes but I believe that's incorrect... I believe they are zoom hydraulic brakes.... I'm going to find out.
you're probably right...I make lots of mistakes :)
Wow this should be a pay-per-view! Let's get ready to rumble....!
hope you got to see it :)
@bubble MAGIC :)
@@TimsElectric definitely watched! All things considered, the Wolf King makes more sense. Perhaps another epic match in the future could be the Wolf King vs. Segway "superscooter" GT2. Happy scootin!
that would be awesome...I need to find a Segway rep :)
Honestly, I think it's probably targeted at adrenalin junkies with more dollars than sense. I can definitely see the Wolf King being a great 3rd or 4th scooter and a natural progression from something like an Eagle One, but I'm with you on the Dualtron, I don't get it.
Cheers Dave....adrenaline junkies rejoice. 😀
Spot on about 3rd or 4th scooter. Just purchased the Kaabo Wolk King GT for $3300 from Voro. Excited for the delivery in the next day or two.
If you don’t need to lug it up stairs or put it in a trunk the Wolf can make a great main scooter. Lots of power and speed but can be infinitely adjusted to suit your riding style. It’s definitely not for everyone but it was the perfect scooter for me.
I have the power set decently high and lowered the top speed a lot. so I can attack hills and when needed I can mingle with cars and traffic at red lights and not get ran over.
The dualtron looks way way way way way better. Like seriously.
@Peaceful4You totally disagree lol...in my humble opinion I think the Wolf looks so much better..modern display, modern buttons...etc....but that's just me :) plus love the colour :)
The wolf definitely takes the cake. Cheers Tim, thanks for the video. Great word for this comparison "conflicted"
I like Michael's word of the day too. 😀
Thank you for the video. I can't decide between these two. We have one second hand x2 up here almost same price with King gt (brand new). Only its massive body makes me think if it would make maneveurs harder than the other in traffic jam which I'll always be in.
Interesting...you're right of course...the maneuverability will be reduced...however if it's being used as a commuter then I might even go with the X2...especially as you already know it so well. It's heavier of course but for street use only/commuting I think the X2 might edge out the Wolf. However if you need to ride trails, and do other things with it then the Wolf is more versatile I think :)
@@TimsElectric thank you.
@@tarikbuyukeskici my pleasure, love helping :)
Maybe at some point or when you can I like to see a review on the vsett super 72 I think it's like similar performance as the wolf king GT pro. I think it's just a bit heavier then the king GT pro, the vsett super 72 has battery a 72v 35 battery. But yea I like the wolf king GT pro mainly because it has dual stems making it probably more sturdy at high speeds making it more rock solid then the dualtron X.
Thanks Julian, I'll look to review my first Vsett soon 😀
The issue with the vsett S72 is the way it folds. The Kaabo WKGTpro has a more robust locking mechanism, no play at all and it never comes loose. The VS72 clamps have play and they come loose with aggressive riding.
@@jaycarl1562 nah I'll pass I'm not getting the super 72 it's too overpriced for little performance. On Amazon those Chinese made scooter have way more watts and travel farther distance then the super 72. I like the JGH 6000 watt scooter for only $2,400 I'm eye balling that scooter travels about same distance as the wolf king pro GT on Amazon. I'm thinking maybe a dualtron scooter too but hate how all have that skinny stem with all of em having the creeking issue.
Nice comparison vid Tim! I still think 72v scooters are overkill. The money you spend on the 72v components for the bit of extra speed and acceleration, just doesn't make much sense to me. Most riders only ride between 20-30mph for a good portion of the time, so all the extra you get with a 72v setup really isn't practical. Plus, those higher speeds are sketchy at best. 52v-60v is the happy medium with 52v really giving you the most bang for your buck with performance still.
The short stems on the Dualtron's are just terrible, not sure why they still make them that way. They are just so over priced as well, it's unfortunate. I thought about the X2 as well, and who it would be made for, and couldn't really come up with anything as well. I guess just your enthusiasts rider with extra money to burn. lol
Anyway, thanks again and I look forward to your next vid!
@Blue Force e-Rides I'm going to think about that as I ride to soccer this morning on a 52V Ghost...I do like the battery size on the Wolf but if it was a 52V system it would be ....quick math.....(35 Ah , 72V = 2520 Wh.....so 2520 Wh at 52V would be 48 Ah...that's crazy!!! :) :) Thanks for watching and making be do the math :)
@@TimsElectric Even a 60v with a 35Ah battery would be a good improvement. The Nanrobot LS7+ is 60v 40Ah and gets crazy range but is still very fast.
@@BlueForceSabers might be a better fit for a lot of people.....I liked the N6 I think it was 😉
@@TimsElectric The N6 is an awesome scooter I absolutely love it!
I seem to remember it being a bit jerky/aggressive but it works for you? what about the deck catch at the back...does it bug you?
The other day I went 42 miles in eco mode. After 42 miles of riding the battery was at 31%
@Isaiah Roberts that's awesome...you think you could hit 50 miles?
42 miles range on what scooter???
@@Aaron-lr1di on the wolf king gt
Great review. I just picked up a roadrunner D4.40 going to ride it tonight for the first time. Dualtron seems to ride off their name but you are so right. Looks outdated. The wolf looks great but too heavy for me. Keep up the great work dude.
thanks so much :) :)
@@TimsElectric nice to see bigger riders like you making real reviews. When I see a video and the dude weighs 100lbs and is like omg this scooter or skateboard is so fast I roll my eyes haha
thank you so much :) @@mrreddington777
Curious... is it possible to walk and throttle the scooter up the stairs so you don't have to carry it?
If you had concrete stairs you probably could but you'd probably spin the tires and leave a mark :)
I love your reviews man !! If you’re ever in Minnesota we should ride.
For sure!! You live in a beautiful state :) :)
very nice video! You have made me understand a little which one you choose! I have a big dilemma between Kaboo, Dualtron, Nami, Vsett, which of them should I buy because I like them all but I don't know which one to choose for me!? I want a powerful scooter that lasts a long time and is durable and comfortable !!! Which one would you recommend ? Thank you, greetings from Spain ☺️💖👏🏽
Thanks David, I really can't recommend a scooter I haven't tried and both the Namo and Vsett haven't given me the opportunity to try their scooters...I've tried :) Love Love the Wolf King GT :)
@@TimsElectric Hi Tim !! thank you very much for your reply !! surely you have tried two of the best electric scooters on the market: Dualtron and Kaboo !! Yes the Wolf King GT has to be very comfortable and very fast !!! It is an excellent machine! I congratulate you on your videos. I like them, they are the most sincere videos and this is greatly appreciated 💙 thank you and best regards 🛴🛴🛴💛
thanks so much David :) :) Cheers
I personally don't like the asthetics of dual stemmed scooters. Buy what you like folks!!
I agree that the dual stem may not be as aesthetically pleasing but for bigger guys on extreme situations it's comforting engineering :)
People may complain about the weight but if it’s heavier and longer it will be way more stable, especially at higher speeds.
probably right :)
Excellent video, agree 100%!
thanks Randy :) :) cheers
Hey Tim hope you are well! I took a break but am back! Just got myself a DSL (finally pulled the trigger on my superscoot)...
Regarding this review, is there a reason you felt compelled to make this comparison? They're pretty different market segments in my mind... I think for the DX2 perhaps a more appropriate comparison would be to a Dark Knight (or to a lesser degree a Hunter Quad)? DX2 and now the DX3 (X Limited, which has upgraded displays, etc) are flagship models with the price and heft to go with it.
I think of the Wolf King GT more in line with a D Thunder 2 or even DSL... Obviously the Nami Burn-E2 Max is the most direct comparison for the WKGT.... Maybe throw in a older Bronco Xtreme 11 as well. It's also interesting to me you equate thumb throttles as being higher end. I think you know I've always preferred trigger throttles and is one of the main reasons I DIDN'T go with a WKGT... and DID get the DSL... it's awesome AF! EY3 throttle I have no issues with - all these fancy displays I could care less about.... if someone comes up with an effective HUD that would be something - but when I'm riding I could care less how pretty my display is... I just want to know how fast I'm going quickly.
Anyways, happy riding and be safe out there... I notice you don't wear gloves or gear (other than a bike helmet) which is an absolute must for these beast scooters imho...
All great observations :)
So it really came down to the most expensive scooters I had tried...no very technical you're right and possibly other options could have been better :)
Honestly, I think after riding motorbikes as a young hooligan, I think a twist throttle would be best....would do you think? Have you seen one on a scooter?
I just don't like loosing a thumb when riding lol :)
Maybe one day I'll get a chance to try a Nami :)
@@TimsElectric I actually gave a detailed comment about twist and half twist throttles somewhere else on your channel...I'll try to find it again lol... But basically a half twist i think would be perfect... But maybe I'm in the minority but I absolutely love trigger throttles but you have to set them up at a very low angle...much more ergonomic
@@TimsElectric oh I found it (opinion on twist throttles)...it's a reply to another comment in this video LOLOL
haha ,.,..sorry I missed it ;) :) :) I'm with you on the half twist :)
PLS PLS WHICH ONE THE WOLF KING GT PRO OR DUAL TRON THUNDER 2??
Wolf was my choice 😉
Whats the maximum range of the x2??
Sorry I don't know, I didn't get a chance to do a range test 😅
I know Tim The Dualtron X2 is for someone who lives creaky single head stems. That's all I can think of!
lol David :) :) Cheers
It's for tha RICH n DANGEROUS 💯
probably :) but I do like a quiet ride in the countryside :)
I love my X2, ask anyone who has one they would say the same in a commuter world
awesome to hear that you found a scooter you love William :)
I also prefer finger throttle over any other ! Just works better for me and my long fingers lol
Interesting...I saw that Ginger on Wheels swopped his throttle on some of his scooters....I wonder if we could get a throttle like a motorcycle...wouldn't that be the best ?
@@TimsElectric to each their own as they say. I have tried to twist throttle as well and again, I prefer the finger throttle over any other kind as I tried them all! But again to each their own as everybody's preference is different based on their own preferences :-) there is no right or wrong just like there is no perfect scooter there is a perfect way for you :-) meaning each individual person. But keep up the good work man always a pleasure watching your videos! Over and out, from the East Coast Canada all the way to the West Coast LOL :-)
@@ryanpjk-sproule3813 Cheers Ryan Coast to Coast :) eh
@@TimsElectric haha cheers Tim ! Also is it funny I somehow KNEW ya were GONA crack the eh, the canadian way ? But it's so very true, EH ?!🤙be safe ride safe and #awareness
@@ryanpjk-sproule3813 i'm boring and predictable :) cheers :)
Nice video, you going to be the first to have wolf x GT her on youtube?
@Kaabostockholm lol...maybe :) I only just saw that it was coming out :)
Would you say the Wolf King GT is ok for a 6'-5" 300 pounder??
I'm ok not getting top speed, but thinking moreso about the power on inclines.
Thank you
Zero issues I suspect....it is so powerful...massive range, massive power...loved it :)
Did you see my reviews of it? and my range tests? plus it won last years top scooter for big guys :)
@@TimsElectric thank you for the reply, I'll check your other videos on it. And I didn't know it won. Very good to know. And they're $800 off right now‼️ 👍🏻👍🏻
Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄
enjoy and ask questions :)
Easy to decide. I have rode both types. Even own a dualtron with the dreaded square controller. Sine wave vs square wave. Square wave is horrible and yesterdays tech. If buying i would highly recommend only buying an electric ride with a quality sine wave controller. Huge difference. Butter smooth performance, much more efficient .
@jim jr I totally forgot about the controllers...of course sine vs square...smooth vs not :) thks :) :)
Question.. With square wave controllers I heard it's like a light switch "on or off" power. So does that mean no matter how much you pull the trigger whether its 10% or 90% you get 100% of the power?
it's just not as smooth with a square controller...if you press it 40% you do only get 40% power...but if you adjust it can be a bit jerky? so sine is a lot smoother ...in my experience :)
@@TimsElectric Ok so if you pull the throttle on a square wave to 40% you get the full 40% right away, it wont eventually be at full 100% if its held at 40% long enough..?? And with sine wave when you pull it 40% you get 40% but it's gradual to 40% not instant? Is that the difference? I thought square wave was 100% all the time no matter how much you pull the throttle, n speed was dependent on how long you held the throttle in whatever position.
@@JP-qq2kn that's right...you can feather a square wave so you don't get 100% power...it's just not as smooth as the sinewave :)
Dualtron X2 is simply designed to be top dog (for the moment), king of the hill, and yes if something can do 65MPH, it ought to be built like a motorcycle including extra weight and cost. Too heavy for me though, I'd want no more than 100lbs.
it's a sweet ride for sure...but even 100lbs is heavy when you live in an apartment without an elevator like I do lol ;)
Glad I got the king gt pro
do you love it?
@@TimsElectric yes not bad. I had to buy the leet3d rear bushings and that really made it 100% better. its a must have.
@@1112223333111 interesting...were they hard to install?
@@TimsElectric nope. you need a 12mm bolt to gently tap out the shaft. there are some videos
use 8mm hex socket. allen keys strip
Did you know they lied about the weight of the wolf king GT? I weighed it myself at my job, it truly weighs 130 pounds!
really? which is why I struggle carrying it up the stairs lol :)
Have you done a review of the Dualtron X Limited
I haven't ...looks amazing...folding stem plus it looks taller which is going to appeal to other bigger guys :)
isnt the X2 battery 60 AH
gosh @UberGreenDownTownElectroRides, I don't remember...I actually don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday lol :)
What did I say? I would double check on the Voro website to check :)
which store did you buy the Daltron x2?
I get my units from Voro @user-ed2oy3fz9w, link should be below the video :)
In your video you said it's maxed out at your way to 265 Volo Motors told me that it's max weight is 350 Greg from St Joe
I was talking about the wolf King GT
that's interesting :) :) Great news :) :) I must have made a mistake...it makes sense as the King GT is very well made, lots of power :)
I need the wolf. Can't find any way to set it up to male payments. Any advice? Paybright rejected me..
Maybe a credit card (Prepaid) that you load up? Sorry not familiar with Paybright here in Canada :(
@@TimsElectric I don't know lol but ya just not finding a way to just be able to make payments and not have to buy the entire thing at once there has to be some way.
@@CoryResilient I'd call them and see if there's another option :) :) sorry not a finance guy so I don't know how it all works :) best of luck Cory :)
Never rode any Dualtron, but I did get a Wolf King GT Pro last week. This is already too powerful and too heavy and even a lil too big. That Dualtron makes the Wolf look like a normal-sized scooter, which is comical as I'm super out of shape and have already struggled (unsuccessfully) to try to get the Wolf up a curb lol. The suspension on the X2 in this video looks insane.
I won't be ever loading it into a truck or carrying it up stairs so I don't care much about the weight, but even still it's kinda impractical. Whereas the Dualtron looks like a crazy science project a 5 year old dreamed up in their head. With that said I would absolutely love to ride it to see how it compares to my Wolf, but I'd never want to own one lol. A week in I'm having some struggles getting it in and out of tight spots, I couldn't even imagine trying with an X2.
There's some TH-camr who managed to rig a Dualtron battery onto his Wolf King and has a 77ah monster scooter lol.
You're so right!
The Wolf is amazing but I don't think I need more range lol..I did a range test video on it and it went for ages..35AH if memory serves so making it 77AH sounds nutz...but if you need the range I guess :)
How are you liking the ride on the Wolf though? SMooooth like butter :)?
@@TimsElectric I love how smooth it is, I know a lot of reviews complain the suspension isn’t adjustable. But they’ve ridden many other scooters to have reference.
The only other scooter I’ve had was a Ninebot G30 which has no suspension. The roads out here are terrible so the Wolf’s ride quality is unreal to me.
Awesome to hear...I'm looking forward to taking the Wolf on a long trail ride soon...just need it to warm up a bit here in Canada :)
which app did you buy the Daltron x2
App? @user-ed2oy3fz9w
They probably wanted to make a product to appeal to people who want the biggest baddest thing...Pick up trucks compete like that as well. It's hard to compete with the Wolf King gt pro, so they figured let's make something that at least looks like a beast to get customers who want that sort of thing and can afford it. Some people just like access...Why get a hummer, the biggest pick up truck, a Great Dane the biggest steak etc..Or as the manufacturer why they built this particular unit and who is their target consumer.
wise words indeed...but Great Dane puppies are so cute :)
Yeah - if I’m going to spend CBR500R money on a scooter, give me a real stalk, wider handlebars, a good dash display, and a sweeter throttle.
A CBR would be sweet though :)
To be truth, i dont like the design of that scooters, but they are monsters, so much power
big scooters aren't everyone's cup of tea :)
Wolf king is the best of best
Awesome @naifhabib4625, it is pretty amazing :)
Daultron X limited Vs daultron X2
that would be a sweet comparison :)
did you buy and own both of these scooters or did you get them for freee?
I have bought new scooters and used scooters. As of late I have rec'd scooters to review. However and I say this to every manufacturer, my opinion on a scooter or ebike is mine and I don't take any payment for doing reviews (like others do). So you can be assured that all opinions are my own. To answer your specific question the X2 was borrowed and the Wolf was kindly sent to me from Voro Motors. Voro were amazing. They didn't ask for anything, not even a review...they were happy as viewers of my videos had been buying from them and had mentioned that they had watched my videos and they just wanted to say thank you. I was blown away as you can imagine :)
Hope that helps :)
@@TimsElectric yeah lucky you mate these scooters are real expensive I bought a dualtron storm myself and it was £2300 in uk. I just wanted to know if you spent $10000 on these 2 scooters
@@TrinoWins the Storm is epic :) :) nice choice...seems like a very reasonable price for one too...hopefully the UK get sorted with scooter laws too :) :) Love to see people riding Storms in London instead of Diesel cars :)
Which dtx and storm is not easy to shake at high speed
I don't understand what you mean ...can you say it a different way?
@@TimsElectric May I ask wolf king gt or dtx ltd, which high speed is not easy to sway to death?
@@reoo5625 I love the stability of the Wolf :)
@@TimsElectric thanks
@@TimsElectric May I ask dtx ltd or nami burn e2, which one is faster at the beginning of acceleration?
Why did you over inflate the price for both ? The wolf is only 3600 and the dualtron is only 6500. Get ur facts straight
I think Tim was giving prices in $CDN as he is based in Canada...are you giving prices in $US...? Oh, just re-watched and he does mention price in US. Hmmm, maybe he mixed up the exchange...
Pricing changes when in different countries. Chill dude, not everyone lives in the US.
Depends where you live and where you buy it but hopefully you get my meaning ...one is a lot more 💰
Cheers Michael...just using/referencing a single supplier bit I'm sure they're priced differently:)
Yes indeed, I'm in Canada...we're used to paying higher prices in USD 😀
I thought the Dualtron X2 is 6500?
HI Nicko, it depends where you buy it :) Up here in Canada for example I see two different prices (In USD) but most don't even have it so the price listed doesn't matter :)
Already off to a inaccurate start flat out wattage is 8400
The new one is...the x2 listed as lower
👌🏆
Thank you 😊
Can’t even compare the 2 really one is double the price
Pricing is something where there's a big difference for sure, but is the X2 worth it when a Wolf King is half the price?
@@TimsElectric oh no way! I have a wkgt and there’s no way there’s no way there’s something worth twice the money it’s almost perfect
I do love the Wolf :)
Go canada
Cheers Ryan :)
Dualtron looks like it will bottom out off road. Hell no
Probably right...but it's so smooth on the roads 😀
The dualtron X2 is for rich kids that can't afford a weped
Haven't tried the Weped yet....looks insane lol
@@TimsElectric The Weped is honestly a rather disappointing experience. It quotes 30kW of power but unfortunately they're basing that off the phase amp ratings of the controllers which simply isnt correct. Looking at the specs of the actual controllers they aren't rated in battery amps so there isn't a great way to measure the actual power rating of the scooter but its likely to be more in the 8kW range vs the 30kW they advertise. I've tried the Weped SS and compared to the Wolf King GT I would say the King pulls slightly harder while the Weped takes a few seconds to get going. There are also other issues with the Weped such as premature battery death since the battery isnt rated to take the power the controllers are trying to pull, the motors tend to overheat because they're only rated for around 3kW and all of the bolts like the come loose.
thanks for sharing :) I do look forward to trying a Weped...maybe at night in the city for the full lighting effect ...they look awesome :)
Both are overpriced, way too heavy and no one needs to go 100km on a scooter just way too fast. When you ask who is the dualtron for the answer is no one.
if you cant afford Dualtron, just say it lol
Haha too funny 😀
Thanks for sharing...haven't gone that fast before...not going to try:)
@@TimsElectric my ghost i'm waiting on goes 60k but i'm never going that fast on it i'm more of a 30-40k rider, not looking to die
@@demonocusmetalocus3558 I love 32kmh ...smooth...safer and great range for me 😉
so let me get this right i paid 900.00 to 45mph , you paid 8.500 ppounds to go 60mph ????
i have scooter none cost me that stupid money all of them go 30mph plus some even cost me 500.00 pounds , why would i drop an extra 7k just for more acceleration ???? , scooter i paid 800.00 pounds for 28ah , 40mph single motor ?????
why do people spend stupid money just to get the speed quicker i have the same motorbike suspension and high specs ?? not ev spent 3k have more than 1 ????
to each their own I guess...but FYI, I don't pay for scooters...I review them :)
@@TimsElectric have you know I have got many free scooters too , I review them one day may you may have a collaboration on a video review , till then brother.
Happy scooting, keep upnthe food work ,
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When manufactures message they go crazy lol 😆 email inbox is full.
@@smoxesk so awesome :) happy reviews ...collabs in the future :)
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