RTX 40 GPUs Are IN TROUBLE!
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Nvidia Goes Hard Against Intel And AMD
3:53 Why You Don't Buy These GPUs
6:23 Ryzen 8000 Desktop CPUs Are On Sale
7:18 New Ryzen APU GPU Killer - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Tech companies: "AI here, AI there, AI, AI, ... LOVE ME ALREADY!!!!"
Me: "Just make affordable hardware ffs."
The hardware is affordable. Spend a few hours doing some research into AI work and get thinking, your GPU can produce while you sleep, it will pay for itself. Nvidia targets AI for a reason, that is the money market, the majority of gamers are just too lazy, stupid or stubborn to take part in it. Can't turn down a free 4090 for a few hours of research ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
not joking you might have had a stroke there
Ultra mega super evovled click bait
AI joke
Nah, he's an AI agent. It was just as small inference engine glitch. He'll be rebooted properly for the next video.
He was testing out his rapping skill. New channel name 'Rap Gamer Meld.'
Na, not happening - he has the perfect body weight for anyone who got the clot shot!
Anyone else smack the monitor when the CD skipped?
🎶If you hit the table one more time the record might ski- might skip... I told you, stop hitting the table🎶
-Some guy's song written '94
@@SpoonHurler Thank you! First watch for me.
I totally thought it was in my head I’m so stoned lol
It's nice to see the human side of TH-camrs instead of their sanitized videos all the time. I vote to keep the editing error at 1:08
Leave the error but fire the editor.
😂😂😂 you. You you
That was a matrix glitch. Nothing to see here.
Thought the Matrix was bust
@@MrDanielScott the third one was 💀
No, an APU will NOT beat a the most powerful mid-range card on the market right now. We've been hearing this for 14+ years.
Even if it manages to get remotely close to a 4070, it's a win.
I'll just wait and see it perform, rather than jump to conclusions
@@user-kw8kh8dg3h the problem is, we have been given this same promise since 2010... and still nothing.
@@shutupnavikrant I absolutely agree on that.
@@POLARTTYRTM that's why it's better to give em a nod and keep spectating
Worst we can get is the same promise xD
Have you ever had a dream that 1:09
AMD ALWAYS STAYS HARD
excuse me?
sus 😳
1:09 are you okay was that an editing glitch or sleeplessness ?
Maybe a stroke
A classic mistake. Just forgot to cut it.
I though it was a joke about AI glitching but it didn't really make sense
He was trying to repeat the sentence and was trying to get the sound of his “you” that he wanted to roll with & forgot to edit the rest out haha
I hope that was an editing error or a stutter or something, otherwise you might wanna get checked out buddy, hope all is well
absolute love the news that you are describing in these videos and the research you do! btw 1:07 lmao
Did you have a stroke at 1:07?
No , a glitch in the matrix caught on video 😅
Na, not happening - he's the perfect body weight for anyone who got the clot shot.
he was like squidward stroking
@@xraylifePeople never had strokes or heart attacks before 2022. I am very smart.
@@Ninvus2 you are speaking the truth.
1:07 Gamer Melt
💀😂
I love how the 8700F page that he shows lists the CPU Model as Ryzen 5 7600X
BRO, you have my major respect , I have been watching your channel for ages, BUT Bro I watched the video repeatedly for EDITS and that was no editing mistake. I can stutter on occasion but that moment at 1:09 needs review between you and your doctor. Totally caring about your health bro. 🙏
There's a weird stutter at about 1:08 that maybe you missed in editing.
It doesn't really take away from the video but it's a bit odd.
typo in the prompt and since his videos are just ai generated by nvidia it read it faster instead of smarter.
We're all unplanned political progeny, destined to play video games in the basement at 360Hz refresh
The Majority of Computing devices in use today are handheld (phones) and laptop devices.
Where battery life is crucial and they cannot have a +100W dedicated AI processor.
So for server farms and workstation PCs, which also cost a lot more, then they can have the premium features at the premium price tag with premium power draw.
But for the rest of us, we'll need a solution that fits the profile of our daily usage on phones and laptops.
Will new APU require new motherboard... And what kind of cooling we will need for it ? + Is it wise to get new 3.0 psu, and case now ? + I'll be happy if it hits 4060 8gb + 7600x performance on QHD 1440p monitor.
1:07 When you double click a unit in a game.
I highly doubt we are going to get APUs performing like a 4060-4070 this year... We had recently the Ryzen 8000 ones that get close to a GTX 1650, how do you get 2 to 3 times that performance so fast?.
8:00 wait apus get quad channel (256bits) ? does zen 5 get quad channel ? or is the memory integrated on chip ?
Strix Halo 16 core looks like my new editing rig. I am curious how it holds up in 3-D rendering and video editing.
How long have you been putting out videos with a similar title? Since the 2400G or so?
I always thought you had a lot of cuts. I assume the stutter is the reason? I always reasoned it was just tangents.
But the viewers are right it does sound more like a stroke stutter. I hope you are fine.
that part of the Ryzen 7 8700F shows in the details CPU model Ryzen 5 7600X so not sure what Amazon is doing there lol
The Strix Halo chart. Those are laptop GPUs not desktop. The 4050 is a mobile only and it makes sense for them all to be mobile since most of AMD's APU designs are laptop first designs.
granite ridge is desktop strix is for laptops
Nvidia and AMD can always fix this by adding the M label to there laptop GPUs of you miss lead your customers your compition will also miss lead them
I just want a SteamDeck 2 with the new APUs
The gamer that respects himself , buy a discrete gpu!
Desktop User are not the audience. Imagine the rog ally 2 with a 8c / 40gu Chip. 30min battery but what a beast lul
@@kloklojul Oh yeah true , you are right.
For budget that you want to upgrade its a good idea to get integrated graphics. All you need to do to upgrade is buy a gpu and upgrade the power supply
If max AMD APU is about 4070, is there a point to get Navi 44?
Well let's hope that their claimed performance is ture, and not PR/marketing fluff. If it is then it was worth the wait, and passing the 8000G APUs. Also if true I can't wait for ASRock to release some Deskmate cases for these APUs. It'll make one heck of a Steam Machine.
1:07 there was a glitch in the matrix. 🤣
it was a stroke
Intel: we need competition to make more CPU's
The competition:
I think at some point iGPUs will overtake GPUs.. its becoming more and more evident that this is direction it will go in..
1:07 ..... *PROOF that Gamer Meld = an A.I. !!!*
Can't fool me !
so how will thoose apu work will adrenaline software recognize them and you would have all the benift of normal gpu like scalling overclosking antilag and such, other thing is he mention this apu is like rx 7600 than later that it matches rtx 4070 but 4070 is on pair with rx 7900gre not on 7600 level.... kinda missleading infos
He doesn't say it matches, he says it has more CU cores than a 7600 xt, still doesn't make much sense since the chart is referencing nvidia gpu's
Omg it would be nice if the strix halo actually did that. Then they put the LP chips in handhelds. Or even found a cooling solution to allow the higher end chips in handhelds.
Just commenting to let you know the 4070 title was more intriguing
How will they cool the 40 processing core iGPU? They have to stick on top of an 8c/16t CPU an entire GPU chip. While that is doable I guess it will become double as thick the entire 2-in--one iGPU but how to cool the thing? Even my normal Asus Dual RX 6600 GPU chip which has 28 processing cores needs 2 aprox 90mm fans and an huge heatsink alone to be cooled. Even with that cooling solution the entire RX 6600 reaches a bit over 80 degrees Celsius on full load (undervolted). If they stack an GPU chip on top of an 8c/16t CPU then that thing would need on top at least 6 heatpipes and on all sides as well heatpipes to radiate off heat in case of an air cooler. Water or liquid metal coolers will most likely have an housing around 5 sides of the CPU/GPU for an all surrounding heat transfer. For sure it needs about 2 water radiators.
It should be possible if they can radiate out the heat generated within the CPU/GPU combo stacked die to the outside mantle (housing of the CPU/GPU). But that would be an madness of heat generation within this stacked die even for an 8c/16t CPU. Imagine an 16c/32t CPU running at 6 GHz alone and an 7900 XTX die on top of that. The heat that would be generated inside of the CPU/GPU combo. It is doable with safe downclocking but then you most likely have an 4090 die which clocks down to an GT 1030 performance levels.
Would it compete with Nvidia on Machine Learning with tensor and cuda cores?
Most likely not ;-)
Which cpu is good? For making games on unreal engine
intel pentium 4 😉
@@albertmolia2346 🧐
An APU better than 4070 !! Still disseminating the same lie.
It's probably referring to the laptop variants. There's no way this strix halo gpu is anywhere near the desktop rtx 4070
@@daluxolosithebe8376Not even a 3070
@@daluxolosithebe8376 the 4070 Is also slower than the 3080 which in 4 months Will be 4 years old..... And the 4060 should be as fast as the 3080....
@@alessandropisano9903 4070 is not slower than a 3080 lol what are you smoking? they're basically the same in rasterization. the 4070 wins everywhere else. watch a benchmark once in a while. Iv personally put them against eachother. the 3080 lacks features and fails in power efficiency.
@@dingleberries360 Bro are you stupid or what? At 1440p (the target res of the 4070) the 4070 Is a bit slower than the 3080 and the strange fact of rtx 4000 (in particular 4070 and 4070ti) is that by going up on res (like 4k) the GPU scale down the performance, which Is strange because higher resolutions = higher GPU load. And at 1080p the 4070 Is Faster (if i'm not wrong) than the 3080
1:07 Are you okay?
1:08 Glitch or just lagging?
How is it possible that these igpu-s can go in a class of performance of a dedicated chip with dedicated memory and even more specialized memory like gddr?
I’m not saying that it doesn’t but somewhere some things don’t add up. Either gddr7 offers minimal bandwidth benefits over ddr5 so they are put on dedicated cards mainly to justify higher prices or very edge use cases or there are some benefits and then these apu can’t be put in the same class of performance
Maybe there is quad channel support (I doubt it)
Hawk Point has efficiency and performance fixes, it's a good improvement on Phoenix even without the faster clocked NPU.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if invidia made a low profile cards with there m chips. I kinda miss 1 and 2 slot gpus.
If they make a 4070 level APU, I can stick 128Gb ram, then run inference with 70B Llama3. Would be amazing.
but the question is whether these APUs will be for desktop or they're for laptops?
Clearly, "Basic" and "Better Quality" are persuasive metrics. Quantification done marketing style.
promise of 4070 level performance does make me skeptical because i also had high expectations from 780m. thought it's not bad by any means but the desktop versions of this apu is not worth it for the price. in my opinion 780m's only chance is at handheld market, to beat the golden standard steam deck, rog ally (z1 extreme) is still pricy at the moment at above £500, but i assume they gonna drop price more when orange pi neo comes out, let's see... i hope to see AMD maintain these three things because price+performance+tdp=perfection.
I think the AI cores incorporated into the CPU will be for something called small language models. Expect that video games and office will offer capabilities that leverage those cores to create new experiences.
That's what I've been waiting for. I live tiny, powerful PCs.
It looks like I'll finally be able to build that tiny mITX gaming rig I've been wanting for years.
i am definately getting strix halo maximum spec x3D
-Strix Halo might be exactly what I've been wishing for all the time.- The 5700G was already very helpful during the pandemic when even a 3060 was too expensive for most gamers I know. The problem was just that it was slower than a 1060 6 GB so most of us kept playing with the 1060. -If Strix Halo is as fast as a 4070 for less money than a used 3070 then I'm getting it.- Edit: It says the Strix series is planned for gaming laptops so it might only be soldered and not available for AM5 desktop sockets. Let's not rejoice too soon.
Just imagine this a chip that has everything NPU GPU and CPU
These apu's will be perfect for a pc based xbox, steam machine, or sffpc. I would easily buy one that matched a 4060 and be perfectly happy.
Wondering how they cool down those 4070-like APUs...
4070!?
I’d be willing to finally ditch my 1080ti for that
The vast majority of nvidia's AI use cases seem to have been achievable just fine without their overly expensive AI hardware, and certainly not anything that a regular gamer or consumer would ever need to worry about. Its the old 'create a problem' and offer a solution to it.
Hopefully Strix Halo will come to desktop and also soldered
It's sad to see that the APU is no longer a cheap type of CPU anymore, the performance is better but the price is increasingly unaffordable... this is clear considering the price of the 8600g yesterday which was really high, this doesn't make sense😢 Is there still an Athlon class CPU in the 9000g series? I really hope there is one even though it only has 2 cores..😮💨
This is a very good thing. This is how a gaming PC should be. Think of the billions of watts saved by every gamer, every single day and the savings that goes into buying a new PC.
4070 Laptop maybe, not the 4070 DESKTOP.
There's a 4050 in the chart - and that's already a hint, that's a mobile exclusive. AMD is going to be forced to even clarify it in their internal slides so that leakers don't try to create false hype for Nvidia's marketing team to use later.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 Yes there is and obviously the laptop counterpart, but the guy in this video said “we’re looking at 4070 desktop class of performance” and what a joke
@@yusmeow Leakers always say crap that has nothing to do with reality. Then Nvidia marketing team picks that up. Almost like its intentional.
Those GPUs isn't for US or other developed country, in Brazil we bought it a lot, but it's because we don't have the possibility to buy new GPU at a decent price, people in US are arguing because a GPU priced at 500U$ to 1200U$ (i'm not criticizing you're right, the less U$ a GPU cost the better for us) but in Brazil, our GPU sells at 2k 4k sometimes even highter, our currency runs 5x cheaper than US but we have the same salary basecaly (tax and currency fault), we have a LOT of problems with used and retail GPUs, but you guys don't need this headache, just buy a used from a friend or a new one, you will thank me later for this
1:08 ????
He forgot to cut that part
Stroke
did we just witness him have a stroke
For these who don’t know who are pro high tech. Pro High Tech are a Russian top bloggers who review do researching in the world of High Technologies. Very constructive and also very informative content. Basically Pro High Tech is like Steve Burke but Russians!
So confirming that Pro High Tech did do the review and test of the frankigpu test as they have it on their TH-cam channel.
Been waiting for the GOOD APU's for Years‼️
So this is how SKYNET was born.
Bro. Why do u say but with so mych emphasis and breathing?
Imagine a Deskmini with 8 Zen5 Cores and 24CU APU.
I love integrated GPU, or APUs, as it makes it much easier to game on a lower end laptop without having to deal with laptop GPU jank.
Strix Point Halo is supposed to operate below 130W. The Desktop 4070 operates at 230W. Even with a node difference, there's no way you can fit that thermal envelope into a SoC without major under clocking or throttling.
What is more likely is, Strix Point Halo highest SKU will have a bunch of Zen 5/5c to minimise power draw and dedicate more power to the RDNA 3.5 core at 60-80W. The thermal solution will be pretty hefty for the highest SKU and my guess is prices will be crazy too.
This means that thin & light gaming laptops will probably not use the highest SKU but we'll see if laptop makers figure something out.
Strix Halo was rated 45-175 watts, quite the configuration room - of course one would doubt we'll get 175W laptop models, Nvidia would at least force OEMs to scrap these ideas.
And the assumption that the stated 4070 is a desktop one is most likely wrong - Nvidia should fix their false marketing strategies anyway. The 4050 we see is a mobile exclusive too - another hint.
Amd be like rn: oops i did it again
The apu leak text says it is aming for rtx 4070 mobil gpu performance not Desktop performance
AI should be on a separate M.2 card if anything. More business for Nvidia if they want it, and doesn't mess with GPU.
For some reason was scary to see you stuck
surreal and super scary 😳
I can hear someone stuttering
What happened at 1:09 ? I legit thought you're having a stroke or smth 😅
3:33 me when GPU prices drop
😂😂
Can they make a gaming AI laptop that just manages battery usage so that when I surf the web it sips power instead of chugging it?
Does this mean, with teh APU with 40CU not require a beefy PSU?? that will make PC building so much cheaper and cleaner thus less cables, all required CPU and MB cables...can't wait! I'd love to build a ITX HTPC based on a AMD APU my TV in the lounge is a 2011 Samsung 60hz 1080p so I think that APU will be perfect.
I can't see an apu matching 4070 levels of performance that just seems insane. Going by previous microarchitecture performance increases you can assume real world performance which obviously increases with the technical development. It just seems basically impossible that an igpu sharing cpu resources on a single soc by definition is not going to compete with a current generation dgpu with its own die vram and power delivery. Probably more like beating a low end dgpu from 5 yrs ago and close to or slightly above a low midrange from that same era. No way it's competition for a current gen nvidia dgpu which already usually beats amd in performance and never will since gpus are evolving faster than cpus already.
Gamermeld implies there's Meld for other people
I often listen to this channel's videos in the background while I'm working. I seriously thought his voice was AI generated until this moment 1:08. Thats when I switched the tab and saw him for the first time. I can't believe its actually a human 🤯
I started developing a stutter when I turned 31. I'm sorry for all the comments being mean, dude. Don't let 'em get ya down!
AMD AI having bug at 1:08 😅
I was so glad you stopped the corporate psychological bullshit game of saying 999.99 instead of just saying 1000, and now you're back at it :(
AI PC of Intel/AMD is like Integrated GPU against dedicated GPU for gaming. For casual gaming like DOTA2, MineCraft, or online games, IGPU is OK. But latest games like BG3 requireds expensive dedicated GPU. So AI application will be categorized as casual AI and hard core AI. Most applications for home and office work will use casual (basic) AI capability of integrated NPU. Serious professional work or state-of-art gaming will require dedicated AI GPU for premium AI. I think that something like 100-300 TOPS will be such threshold between basic and premium AI. RTX4060 is about 200 TOPS.
In the realm where silicon dreams unfold,
A tale of power, untamed and bold.
Where processors dance with lightning's might,
And GPUs gleam in the digital light.
Behold the rise of Ryzen's reign,
A new APU, a technological gain.
With prowess unmatched, it strides the fray,
In the endless quest for computing's sway.
Gone are the days of graphics past,
When GPUs ruled with dominance vast.
For Ryzen's might, a force to behold,
With performance that leaves the old ways cold.
No longer bound by the GPU's thrall,
The APU rises, breaking the wall.
With integrated power, it claims its place,
In the annals of tech's relentless race.
But heed this tale, though Ryzen may soar,
Innovation's path holds so much more.
For in the dance of bytes and bits,
Tomorrow's tech forever flits.
So marvel at Ryzen's dazzling hue,
But know that progress marches through.
For in the endless cycle of tech's array,
New horizons dawn with each passing day.
1:04 Error 420
Not quite sure these APUs will really beat the midrange GPUs, especially since they probably would not be fed the same power.
Of course if the prices of AMD APUs not skyrocket having such an APU saves you money when building a medium level system, but the real interesting usecase for iGPUs are laptops, primarely to save power and cause less heat. SO maybe in some ideal testlab while feeding a Ryzen 9 9999X 300W of power it maybe could duke it out with a 4070, I'd be more interested in what performance we could expect from the iGPU of a Ryzen 9840HS(or whatever these would be called) 35W APU and a 9740u 15W APU.
Halo LP doesn't seem that impressive, given that the current 780M beats a 3050 in performance/W already, its just fed way lower power.
these companies are hoping Ai will optimize their hardware/ software that runs on their hardware.
its like adding AI on the smartphones to optimize the power draw, screen refresh or improving photo capture.
btw those chipped mobile gpu chips might have a micro-fracture across the whole top, so when it heats up, it might expand in unexpected manner cracking along the whole die
Itx build will be awesome
Using the APU with a GPU help with GPU performance?
Just in some rare occasions as far as I know
These APUs prolly gonna cost a lot 😒
If AMD can get the STRIX Halo's to tagteam with an AMD GPU, then AMD will have a killer product that will likely be able to take on NVidia's best I think.
I expect that by the time Strox Halo is available, 4070 mobile performance will not be considered enough. AMD APU’s deliver 1650 to 1680 levels of performance now, and it is ho hum. If the Strix Halo comes out ahead of the 5000 mobile, it will have a shot. Marketing will be key.
Bro made mistakes 1:09 so that everyone will talk about it in comments, so audiance retention will be high nice 🙂