Plandampf im Werratal 2016/German main line steam
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2016
- Dampfloks 50 0072, 50 1380, 50 3648, 01 2066 und 03 1010 in Aktion bei der Plandampf-Veranstaltung zwischen Meiningen und Eisenach am 15, 16 & 17 September 2016.
German main line steam event featuring steam locomotives hauling revenue earning freight trains in the Werratal Valley, Thuringia, Eastern Germany. Full 45 minute version available on DVD
Magnificent. Hats off to the Germans for the way they have preserved history with steam railways. Greetings from Australia.
Thanks!
I have loved the German Dampfloks since I used to ride them (Zweite Classe) from Schwäbisch Gmünd to Stuttgart and back in 1955-56. I remember two tunnels
when we would get up and close the windows. In retrospect, those were the best days of my life, und ich habe immer noch hoimweh nach dem Schwabenland.
In Schorndorf, wich is in the middle of this track, are still running Steam Engines th-cam.com/video/f2ltCIZ7qmA/w-d-xo.html
Superb video and it's great to see the German railways letting their heritage stretch their legs
I've worked with the Union Pacific RR on excursions with the 844. This video is WOW!! Danke, Meine Herr Thomas!
In the fall of 1963, I rode on a train just like this (01 2066)from Hamburg to Flensberg. Incredible experience
Beautiful! Top German steam train video. Very atmospheric! Thank you for posting.
Mit diesen beeintruckenden wunderschoenen kraftvollen Maschinen bin ich noch zur Arbeit gefahren!!! Da kommen mir so viele Errinnerungen!!! Vielen herzl. Dank fuers hochladen!!!
En ik van hengelo naar oldenzaal in holland
Great quality: scenes and sound.
Respekt. Ein wirklich tolles Video. Unglaublich gute Bild und Tonqualität. Bin begeistert.
great video, perfect sound ! Ulrich, Leipzig
Nice job filming! Thank you for sharing!
Absolutely magic, thank you for sharing,
Absolut tolles Video !! Wäre gerne dabei gewesen ...
Top quality Mr. Thomas. Well done sir.
Herzlichen Dank für die positiven Bemerkungen. Many thanks for your kind comments.
are these engines in regular freight service?
In the US we can only dream about having an scheduled steam engine train. This is amazing!
Thank you for sharing these wonderful videos !!!
Magnificent performance :) 🌟
Truly excellent...sehr schön. Danke sehr! I was enthralled with the run-bys. Rob.
Fantastic video
Excellent video. Very nice to see ❤
Um 10:16 herum: Gesundheit! XD
Sehr schöne stimmungsvolle Aufnahmen. Vor 3 Tagen führ hier in Selb Plößberg von Ash (Tschechien) kommend ein Sonderzug mit einer Dampflok durch, leider konnte ich auf die Entfernung nicht erkennen was für eine Dampflok vorgespannt war :)
Germany a fairyland on earth. The steam locos on this fairyland has value to its beauty.
The best German locomotives were built before the railways were unified in 1920.
La locomotive à vapeur est vraiment magique!
Sehr, sehr schönes Video, vielen Dank fürs Teilen. 😀👍🏻✌️️😍🚀
Im
Hallo Gordon,
großartige Aufnahmen vom Plandampf im Werratal.
Beste Grüße von
Günter
Superb film. Thanks.
Awesome video, loved it.
Terrific sounds. Very atmospheric views in the wet. Great runpast @ 3:00.
Looks a bit of subsidence in the track @ 4:00.
Absolutely beautiful.
Bellissimo video !! grazie
Wonderful!!!
Schönes Video. Vielleicht aber mal drauf achten, dass die Betriebsnummern von Vorspann-, Zug- und Schubloks erkennbar sind. Es wäre schade, wenn diese Informationen verloren gehen würden.
Very nice video, big thumbs up and greetings from Denmark :)
SimonTog yes
fantastic vid
Amazing rail movie! Stunning images with Dampfloks in action! Great sound and lovely places and landscapes! Good work, Thomas! Daumen Hoch
Greetings from Romania
Andrew
Let’s all return to steam.
Спасибо .
Germany still uses steam locomotives like we use diesels overhere in America if so then that's amazing
Many thanks for watching and your kind interest. These are not regular issues and are classified as special events in which steam locomotives are deployed on regular freight services for bulk transportation such as cement, potash, sugar beet etc. The concept is termed as "Plandampf" which translated means scheduled main line steam. Plandampf derived from German reunification when it was decided to operate steam locomotives on regional express passenger or freight services. The main issues these days are concentrated in the Werra Valley, Thuringia, former East Germany between Meiningen and Eisenach or similar duties in Bavaria, former West Germany, operated by the Bavarian Railway Museum in Nördlingen. For participation in watching, photographing and filming steam locomotives punters are requested to pay a fee of about between €70 and €100 per day in exchange for detailed timetables in order to follow the steam trains by car or public transport. The fees paid by participants go towards the upkeep and maintenance of the valuable locomotives and storage premises. Otherwise, it's diesels and electrics that play the major role in scheduled services. I hope this satisfies your question. Best Regards Gordon
The slow tender first run really illustrates well the difference between UK and continental loading gauges, and then the USA is bigger again.
Then there's India-Bangladesh- Pakistan on their 5'-6" gage. Enormous.
Beautiful locomotives, but why do they not sound their whistles when they approach a Crossing?
Because the crossings make a sound and have red lights.
@@bekluwe interesting. Are Crossings do the same thing. But our whistles are still required before you approach. I think it's a good idea. And it certainly sounds good
Like it a lot!
Very good ..........
weit is kein ausdruck 1000 däumchen für dich was für ne power diese dampfloks haben liebe grüße aus schleswig-holstein ahrensbök :-)
Many don’t know that Germans were the second after Britain to have steam engines. All thing that the “Adler” was the first locomotive in Germany but that’s not true. In 1816 and 1817 Johann Friedrich Krigar built two locomotives which actually run. They even transported passengers. However when they were supposed to run in a mine they noticed that the gauge was to wide.
Ein Klasse Video !!! Den Daumen weit nach oben :-) Gruß Ulli
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What was in those tanks that required three engines to move them (gradient noted)? Excellent video, not too much closeup, giving us better perspective.
Bulk salt-based material in powder form or potash, though I'm not 100% certain. There are, however, some salt mines in that region.
énorme les machines énorme !!!
two questions why do the engines puff black smoke when they are pulling hard?and why are the cylinder drain cocks open IE emit steam on power stroke?
I find it interesting that none of those trains use diesel assist like here in the states. Can you explain why? they do it here because they RR company fears that if the train breaks down, it will block the line. U all don't do use the same method. What's awesome is that they are working trains! Hauling freight, not just passenger cars.
They do use either diesel or electric locomotives at the end of passenger trains on long hauls but they are only there to supply extra electricity for refrigerators and appliances demanded by the needs in today's world. On the freight trains as shown in the films they prefer to keep it steam only and in case of any failure one locomotive should suffice to get home with. Many thanks for watching and your kind interest.
Superb steam action from Germany Douglas! Over the past few years I've been following German steam and I'm very impressed by the quantity and quality of videos uploaded to TH-cam. Perhaps you could enlighten me a little on how steam comes to be hauling revenue earning freight? Wish we could have that here in the UK! I'm subscribed to a couple of German enthusiasts who are producing some great videos but have been unable to get answers to this question, probably due to translation difficulties as I don't speak German. The other typical questions I have are as follows:-
Are the steam locos privately or group owned and where are they stabled?
Are the drivers trained by the national freight operators or privately employed like West Coast Rail in the UK?
The locos mainly appear to be 2 cylinder types but I have noticed some, like the class 44 (I think!) have 3 cylinders.
Can you advise me of other locos with three or four cylinders which are preserved?
I can understand steam hauled passenger tours but steam hauled freight in the UK is almost unheard of!
How do the Germans manage it in this day and age of high capacity bulk and containerised freight?
Thanks for a superb video and for bearing with me and my questions! Best wishes from Ayrshire, Scotland! Ken
Since nobody has answered your question so far ill try to answer it to the best of my ability. First i want to say that its probably true that most people didnt answer because they didnt understand what you wanted from them. But let me get to your questions now.
Most Steam engines are owned by private groups of or museums but Deutsche Bahn does still have some too.
Most often they own old facilities and track sections that the DB does not use anymore.
The DB does not train steam engine operators anymore but many museums do. Unfortunatly if you have not been a regular train operator before, getting the required licenses is pretty expensive.
The DB allows freight transport with steam engines on all of their tracks but unfortunatly due to the ongoing modernisation there are only very few places left where the required infrastructure (turntables and water towers or pumps) is present.
Usually these freight runs were organised by the private groups and museums together with local companys that wanted to support them in this way.
The engines would normally transport freight that is similar to what they would have transported when they were still officially in service (wood, coal, salt, iron ore and stuff like that) so you wouldnt see them running with any modern stuff.
Unfortunatly i do not know an answer to your other questions but i hope i could help you a bit.
Greetings from Cologne, Germany. Daniel.
Falkenauge : Daniel, thank you for your very detailed reply to questions I've posted over the last few years! As i said before, I'm a big steam engine enthusiast and the steam engines running in Germany ,so I really enjoy watching the many videos which are posted on TH-cam, I feel like I know the steam locos so well. now! I even bought a book about German steam locos which is great although I don't read or speak German so I have to guess the words! Thanks again! Ken
When i see steam engines i always think i have been born 100 years too late to be a steam engine operator and at least 100 years too early to be a spaceship pilot XD.
I grew up learning three languages (german, belgian and english) so fortunatly i am not limited to german when i want information on something. Im am glad i could help and have a nice day.
Plandampf Steam eng. View is wonderful... but it's whistle is very Tremendous.
Salam from INDONESIA RAILWAY PRESERVATION SOCIETY....
The German decapods sure do look and sound powerful. I think there going to be my favorite engines in Germany. I think it would be awesome if one of them came to the United States.
The engineers loved these locos 3:58 very much. They run well in small curves and backwards too, no need of a roundtable. You could often found them on branchlines with its little axle Pressure. The boiler is an improved device, also used on the Pacific 03 Type, leading less heavy, but fast passenger trains. - Fine Videos were made by Gordon Thomas, I remember his "01 150 around Bielefeld"
@@GeDoBa Really?
That sounds interesting.
Actually I think we should buy two example of german decapods from Germany: The 52 (standard) and 44 class (heavy).
@@jltrain-zgamingrailfan202x3do the us and German have the same track width?
@beekey30 They sure do. Both countries use Standard gauge tracks (4ft 8-1/2in/1,435mm).
Well then, why not import a 01 series and 50 series. I think, our German steamies don’t need to hide behind US locos. BTW, US steamies are awesome too. Specially the 4014 and the 844 would like to see them life.
Steam trains are alive, while diesels are just a train.
Ja, Robert. Steam locomotives are truly "The Iron Horse!" Hear it breathing, snorting.
Goodness. Are those engines actually hauling a modern goods train. That’s remarkable
That's the great thing about those Plandampf (lit. "scheduled steam") events: Steam engines hauling regularly scheduled trains. It's quite the challenge, really, as those schedules are of course made with modern engines in mind.
Germans like the good old times.
0:07 Die schönste Einheitslokomotive
so germany still uses steam locos in non preserved mainline service?
Sometimes. It’s for entertainment. It’s called “Plandampf” (scheduled Steam events).
Bei 4:01 was ist denn da mit dem augenscheinlich neuen Gleis passiert? Toller Sound ansonsten... Daumen hoch.
Vielen Dank für Ihr Interesse. Mit dem neuen Gleis ist so wie ich weis wenig oder kaum was passiert. Allerdings sind die modernen Triebwagen langsam darüber gefahren.
1:40 such wretched spokes, must have caused a few train wrecks.
aber gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanz weit nach oben den daumen wirklich. nur schade war unsere 01 202 nicht bei
What they were built to do.
Ken here AGAIN! How do I get the DVD? Thanks. Ken
Hello Ken, Thanks first of all, for your messages and your interest in my German Steam video(s). In reply to your questions the steam locomotives are mainly owned by enthusiast groups, associations and societies dotted around the western and eastern parts of Germany. In my immediate locality there is the railway museum at Bochum Dahlhausen in the Ruhr District that operates a Prussian P8 4-6-0 which tours down the pleasant Ruhr Valley Railway from Bochum-Dahlhausen to Hagen, and then of course there are steam tours around the Rhine/Ruhr Districts run by the railway museum. The locomotives seen in my recent video are based in Eisenach, Halle and the Bavarian Railway Museum in Nördlingen. It can be added that a number of East German ex Deutsche Reichsbahn locomotives were purchased by western associations quite shortly after the re-unification of the two Germanys. Some ex DR locomotives have even ended up in the Netherlands and are in good fettle and working order.
Apropos drivers: These are either railway employees or association members with steam licences. A friend of mine in Mönchengladbach is an official driver for DB Regio with a steam licence who is also head of Eisenbahnfreunde Niederrhein/Grenzland or 52 8148 Preservation Society.
However, steam is more authentically represented in the Federal States of Saxony and Thuringia in the East. The only stretch of railway which these days is able to cater for steam hauled freight is the Werratal railway stetching between Eisenach and Meiningen which is of course unspoiled by overhead catenary. This railway passes through some pleasantly attractive scenery with demanding gradients providing spectacular sights and sounds.
Plandampf generally means the deployment of steam locomotives on service trains. It has been known in the past that regular service regional express passenger trains have been steam hauled and could be used by customers with ordinary tickets at no extra charge. Steam hauled revenue earning freight is a different issue. The Plandampf operator is based in Eisenach, Thüringen and generally speaking a Plandampf in the Werratal Valley is hosted once a year or every two years. In order to follow procedures during days of action enthusiasts are obliged to pay a certain amount of money per day in order to be issued the working timetables. Roughly speaking costs are around €100 per day. Alternatively, others go without paying and rest their chances on pot luck. The costs involved for steam hauled freight go towards the locomotives' upkeep and societies that own/run them.
As you rightly say, the locos appear mainly to be 2 cylinder types apart from the 3 cylinder Class 44s. The only 3 cylinder class locomotives in working order are, of course, the 2 44s, one based in Nördlingen, Bavaria and the other in Stassfurth near Magdeburg. These are the Deutsche Reichsbahn variants of the Class 44 with the raised smoke deflectors on account of the Reichsbahn having placed the pumps close to the outer smokebox area unlike the West German version with the more conventionally placed deflectors. Further 3 cylinder locomotives are Pacific 4-6-2 Class 03 No. 1010, 01 1066 and the green 18 201 which is a Reichsbahn rebuild which emerged from the 4-6-4 streamlined tank locomotive formerly used on the Henschel-Wegmann Zug (train). There is one 4 cylinder compound Bavarian S3/6 based in Nördlingen but I'm not sure whether she is still in working order. More recently, 3 cyl oil-fired Pacific 01 1066 is now out of commission on account of being hammered on long tours over the past years.
The DVD material is currently being worked on which should be comlpete by the end of the first week in November and ready for Christmas priced at €19.99 including postage and packing. Please let me know if you are interested.
In the meantime, I hope this answers your questions. Please do not hesitate to contact me with relation to further questions and matters concerned with the German language which to me is no problem.
Best Regards
Gordon
Gordon Thomas. Thanks so much Gordon - your answer gives me a real handle on the German steam scene! I'd certainly be interested in the DVD so please let me know when it's available. Is there a book (similar to the Ian Allan type)? either English or German which gives tech details of these locos? Look forward to hearing from you and thanks again! Best wishes. Ken
Hello again Ken, Thanks for your recent message. The DVD to the September 2016 event will be ready within the first 10 days in November. At present I'm editing all the scenes which after editing should provide for a 35 to 40 minute DVD and/or Blu-ray disc. There are also 2 further DVDs Werratal Plandampf DVDs available dating back to events held in 2013 and 2014. Please contact me on this channel for DVD(s) so that we can exchange email addresses for further discussion related to the matter. These DVDs are my own productions.
The following link may be of interest to you regarding books on German steam locomotives.
Best Regards
Gordon
www.buecher.de/shop/dampflokomotiven/deutsche-dampflokomotiven/gerth-detlef/products_products/detail/prod_id/33931846/
I've ordered the book you suggested - it looks ideal! Very god website and only 6.95 euro for UK delivery! Might have to ask you for translations now and again! Tried to send you a private message off this site of my email address but couldn't see how to do it. Any ideas or will I just send it from this page? Best wishes. Ken
Hello Ken, The DVD you requested will be complete within the next 5 days. Further messages welcome on my email :-
gordon.t@gmx.de
Best Regards
Gordon
We could convert them to oil fired and use biofuels like bio diesel.
3:06 look in down left reads this its Copyright GORDON THOMAS from thomas & Gordon episode whem thomas Gordon pulling the express and thomas couple the coah 🕵🏻🤨
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Nice to see these old brutes running. But those firemen are in need to some serious re-training. Much of the fuel is going up the chimney unburnt and polluting the whole district. Not good workmanship and probably rubbish fuel too.
It's "rubbish fuel" - heavy fuel oil.
M ASINA germana nu se Desminte
For mercy sake Gordon......lose the music....!
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Euro6
reichsbahn!!!