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The Madden Method - Stall Cleaning
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2019
- Becky discusses stall design and demonstrates cleaning a straw stall, the Madden way. Please forgive the sound quality, due to wind the day we filmed!
Love all your videos! It is so cool to learn how a top barn cares for their facility and horses!
Thank you! :)
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Amber Weingart LMAO HI
Love the deep bedding I see so many videos where bedding is scant. This is lovely and comfortable for the horse. Also your stables are beautiful and so clean and well ordered which is great.
Who is watching this video sitting comfortibly on the couch? 😄
I am sitting comfortably on my couch NOW, but come 7 am Monday morning I will be knee deep in it, quite literally when I dump into the compost heap, haha!
HARDEST thing I have ever done, I am just off of my first week and my body is BROKEN, haha, I can barely use my hands, my feet are nothing but blisters (if anyone can recommend a COMFORTABLE barn boot that you can also ride in I would be much obliged, I don't have much time to search!) and my back will need a month of yoga to feel right again, but it is so satisfying, especially when you love horses as much as I do!
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Hi I'm a retired through bred trainer here in nNY also a breeder,owner , very nice series, your barn and up keep of the horses is very next level top shelf 5 star ..you are awesome young lady !!!
Becky, I really enjoy your videos !! It gives us a chance to see how things are done at a top notch professional operation. I don't ride anymore, but it gives me great pleasure to live vicariously through the videos. My barn fix through youtube. Haha. Thanks, and keep up the interesting posts.
Excellent video!
I think just about every single talking point is not talked about in such depth & detail, as you have here.
Thank you!
Great job, Becky!
I do this for a living now, and THIS is what I am watching on my day off, haha! Btw, I think straw would be much better, although we do have quite a few tubbies in our barn- the shavings are a pain, the dirty is hard to separate from the clean, and don't even get me started about the dust- thank goodness masks are primary gear now, haha!
And YUP- most of the horses will go in specific places, the smart ones poo up against the wall in a corner, they make my job easy, haha- the not so smart ones drag it all around and spread it everywhere, AND step on it, this makes small flat poo pieces that essentially have to be picked up by hand...
Eww, I know, but I am a perfectionist and it is just faster sometimes, especially when they've spread it all over...
Hey, I wear disposable gloves over my work gloves, horse poo isn't that bad anyway, when you love them as much as I do!
This is 100% the HARDEST job I have ever done, and I am only a week in, but once my body catches up I will love it, it is like having 28 horses of my own to take care of!
I might be a massive oddball to prefer this sort of work to, say, being a Esteé Lauder sales associate, which was my last job. I. HATED. IT. I would much rather pick up horse poo and labour intensely for 8 hours, forgive me for saying that if I never have to apply make up to another old, cranky woman I will be very happy...
The only downside is that so far I have been too tired and busy for lessons, which was the point of taking the job in the first place, but hopefully things will even out for me physically and I will be able to take MORE lessons...
I like to consider myself a working student, haha, it sounds better than farm hand!😝
As long as I am taking care of horses, I don't even care!
Great video, you always have great tips and lots of knowledge!
Gorgeous barn!
Thanks for posting what seem like simple videos but the attention to detail is fantastic to see. Becky is amazing! We have a small ranch and 12 horses and my family thinks I'm insane for 90% of the things I do (washing and drying the supplement buckets, vacuuming the feed shed, hanging all the halters and blankets neatly etc.) so I'm really happy to see that I'm striving to do things like a top show barn! Keep posting these stable management as well as training videos and thank you again!
Hi from New Zealand, really enjoy your informative videos
Thank you so much for this helpful video! Could you please do a video about cleaning a shavings stall? I have a hard time getting all the little pieces of manure and would be grateful for your advice. Thank you!
Very informative information. Love the video
Great work!
beautiful!
Beautiful stall
Hi from australia your videos are fantastic
Thank you!
This was super helpful. Ive been trying to decide between straw and shavings, i think ill be going with straw :)
would love if you could do a video on how you apply your Madden method to cleaning stalls bedded with sawdust/shavings!
Great idea! We will add it to the list!
Me too! My barn uses shavings, they are a pain, but I will take all of the advice I can get on doing it properly!
That barn is so nice you can live in.
Damn Becky, I’d sleep in that stall!
I prefer shavings to straw for absorbency. Urine will go through a pile of straw into a puddle on the floor underneath, but shavings will hold most of the urine. I've used straw as a frame around my stalls in the winter to cut down on drafts, though.
You need stall designed to straw bedding. Our stable have in each box floor with small slope to channel which directs urine to goes away from stall. Like sink.
And it cuses that my bedding is quite dry. I also use condicioner for bedding too. It helps with smell.
Great ending!
Mmm. Well done! That took about 18 minutes. Thanks.
Thank you so much for these videos! I feel like I have so much to learn about stable management. Its not necessairly the type of things you learn while taking riding lessons, yet its a little too late to learn it if you just bought your horse. It also the type of things that you learn over experience, but not every barn is the same.
Can you make something about legs protection, why to use this thing instead of this one.
Great idea! We will add it to the list! :)
Cute dog!
JMS, where I learned to clean stalls many years ago and still do it the same... properly!!😊
YES KATE! :) Good to hear!
Thank you for this video! How many bales of straw do you typically use when you start a stall?
Thank you for your video! I am bedding with straw for the first time for many reasons. I have cleaned 100s of shaving bedded stalls. I have two Shire horses. How many bales are you starting with and when do you strip? I live in a coastal area and it can be very wet. Their stalls are their driest areas some days. I like the concret/gravel mix. My floor is dirt/sand right now. I don't like the idea of rubber mats either. Anymore insight would be appreciated! 😊🐴
Cute doggie!
Thank you!
My aunt used to say she loved her horses that dunked their hay and made horse tea, horses that dunk hay are less prone to colic.
What kind of straw do y’all use or can recommend for outside pasture covers? Thanks
Very informative video, thank you! One question, please: Here in the UK, we bed on straw a lot, but we also pile up extra straw round the edges of the stable to form 'banks'. These banks can help prevent a horse being cast, and can also serve as a reserve of clean straw. Do you do this at all at JMS?
Great question! With our larger stalls we don't have much of a problem with horses getting cast. At shows or in a smaller stall, we definitely bank our stalls too!
What I came to say no banks is madness to me i bet her argument would be our boxes are big .I worked in a stud a few years back where the lads were all farm hands none with horse backgrounds those horses went without banks and the horses were getting hurt till I put the lads wide there was 1 horse a stallion who would get cast at least 1c a day beautiful horse but a dumb blond God love him he was always getting Knicks n scrapes on his leg from getting cast our boxes at home also have a little grove cut into the wall all the way round the box so if they do get cast they can get purchase with there hoof and push off the wall...if were gonna put horses in boxes we need to put ways of keeping em safe ...plus i try give my horses the option to be in or out they each have a small run that opens to there paddocks in the morning so theres more room to move ...I normally muck out with the horse in the box unless it's to go on the walker or something.
@@johnmaddensalesinc Great! Thanks again. :)
could your next video be on how you dust the barn?
and this is how becky stays thin and in shape
Your stall are very very clean... for me half of the straw you put away seems not so wet...
All of my former employers would be horrified 1 at the metric fuckton of straw in here and 2 how much of it isn't even dirty lol I was always frustrated that I had to meticulously sort through/save/ration so much to stop the horses completely running out of bedding at the end of the week but I would be the one yelled at for them not buying enough.
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Do you use shavings in an area where they tend to repeatedly pee?
Hello, Becky.
Nice new video.
Have a good week.
A kiss
How does the straw stay dry, and not mold? Nice barn!!
Soon I'll be looking after my own horse so how do I do it
I appreciate this video. However, if it takes years for shavings to break down in a compost pile, chances are that your compost pile isnt properly composting. Just an FYI.
Yes I am extremely selective when mucking out shavings; I take out all the wet so it SHOULD break down
A very smart stall...
What's the difference between straw used for bedding and hay used to feed?
One's edible. The other is bedding.
I have never used straw is it heavier than shavings?
yes straw is heavy compared to shavings exspecaly when mucking! now a bale/bag of shavings is about the same weight as a bale of straw when stacking. we have 24hr turn out and no stalls here but the barn area they can use we put shavings down for wet and in winter some straw to keep them off the ground where it's cold....I hate mucking winter though as it's 10x heavier when you add snow n moisture plus it tends to mold if it froze and stuck to the ground. in spring we dig out the barn and lock the horses out so it can all dry then redo the sand floor
Hi, do you ever have problems with horses moving and therefore the straw moving and the horse lying on bare ground? Or does the amount of straw you use prevent this?
The volume of straw we use keeps this from being an issue. Thanks for watching!
Thanks. How many small bales do you start a bed with and how many do you top it up with each day?
I just started using straw for a pony. Unfortunately, I have a dirt floor. My barn is NO WHERE as nice as yours. Mismatch doors and such. I also don't have nearly that much straw in there, so I'm rethinking. Do you use that much straw in the spring and summer or do you switch to shavings? I have to admit, it's much easier cleaning a stall with shavings than straw. :)
Our horses are all on straw year-round, unless they have a specific issue that keeps them on shavings instead (such as an allergy). The key to straw is to use quite a bit. Using too little will just result in it being trashed. We find straw stalls faster to clean than shavings. It takes a little practice though if you're used to shavings stalls.
Not me being madden too 😂
Damn I've never seen a stall with hay.... It must be more labor.
I've work just with bed shavings.....lol
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Not so sure if straw is a good choice in the hot and humid state of Florida though
You got a concrete foundation in your barn and for your stalls I've seen people use shavings wood shavings in a powder form like mill sawdust and they water down the saw dust bedding and they compacted so they don't kick up a lot of dust and also like the big Frosted Flake cornflake type of shape shavings to make a bed for a horse in their stall but what I don't see is or I don't understand why don't you put down some rubber mats on top of the concrete and then add your straw to make their beds or use savings but I don't have a problem with straw as a horse bedding I've used it before myself and it works very well just the same as wood shavings or saw dust type of shavings as a bedding for a horse but rubber mats on top of the concrete and then adding your strong bedding or wood shavings as your horse stall bedding would make it more comfortable on the horse's feet and hands and also when he or she lays down their body won't rub against the concrete and Bill saw their hair off and the rubber would serve them well as it would also take off pressure from the heart surface of the concrete rubber matting is what I would do and I do that for My Horses I'll buy them at Tractor Supply they cost about 40-50 bucks a piece but they are very very well worth the investment in the long run I'm not trying to insult you on it come across that's an idiot if I have offended you and I am sorry it is not my intention nor wasn't my intention I was just mentioning the rubber mats to protect the horses feet and to make their stalls more comfortable as they lay down during the day or at night when they go to sleep love your video I have subscribe and hit the Bell icon for all notifications!! God bless you and your family and friends always your new subscriber and fan all the way from Dallas Texas to Lone Star State Jose Zaragoza in matter of fact I have about 20 mats that are used but they've been used for about 8 months they are not torn they are in good shape I bought some new ones that are more comfortable for the horses so I have a place to mine if you're interested I'll be more than happy to let you have these mats if you are willing to pay for the shipping? Let me know coming below and I'll be more than happy to send them to you I can send you pictures of them before I send damn to you and since I am seeing a lot of stuff through UPS and FedEx to my subscribers TH-cam channel that I have and I have a family member that works at both UPS and FedEx I get pretty good discounts and I can pass those on to you so that you can pay the last for the shipping like 80% less and you can pay for the insurance it'll probably cost you about $20 and it'll cover you for $2,000 Wortham insurance Ford the rubber mats for your stalls but that's an option if you want to pay the $20 in case they get messed up or touring during shipping as it can happen since they are heavy the handlers can dismiss handle the product and I'll take pictures before I send them there for we can have proof that they were in good condition and they will replace if they are damaged during transport. again thank you for this lovely video I am a subscriber I did hit the Bell icon for all notification if you want these 20 rubber mats that's about $1,000 worth of Matt I am willing to give them to you for free if you pay for the shipping comment below and please let me know if not then I'll just throw them away in my trailer and let somebody else have them. God bless
django jango Thanks for your comment. Just the edges of the stall are concrete, the center is packed screenings (stone dust) for drainage and grip. We specifically prefer NOT to use rubber mats as they can impede drainage and be difficult to keep clean. Thanks again for watching!
@@johnmaddensalesinc your welcome..
@@johnmaddensalesinc A stable I worked at had the ground on a slight slant. The horses just had a large square of shavings in the middle of the stall and the pee would run to the edges then accumulate under the matting, which had more shaving underneath. Once a week we would lift the matting to change out the shavings and put disinfectant powder down. It saved us taking out a lot of wet from pee and condensation during cold weather.
It takes you 15 min to do clean one stall. Seems like too much work and shavings seem easier. Maybe that's just me. Also, aren't those bars on the windows & stall gates and the low ceilings a bit of a safety hazard?
Hi! Thanks for watching. All of us at JMS would much rather clean a straw stall versus a shavings stall. They go much quicker once you learn to do it! While it may seem long in the video while we are talking through the process, it doesn't take this long in a normal day.
We aren't sure what could be a safety hazard in what you pointed out. Our ceilings are not low and the bars keep a horse from putting a leg through. The stalls are all equipped with two exits in case of emergency.
Thanks again for watching!
I think the safety hazard BlueBlazes is concerned about would be that a horse can kick into the vertical bars. A horse can kick through vertical bars at the Bar’s weakest and most flexible area (the center gap)and then as the hoof and leg drop down to the welded areas then the leg is trapped. This is a pretty common occurrence that few people anticipate when building their containments.
Too bad its not your time and your horses. These horses are obviously very well cared for.
I think cleaning straw much easier than a wood product stall
Great video but the sound quality was difficult - the wind noise is drowning out the voice in some places
Shavings are better than a hay bed 😂
Ok...now I just have to figure out how to do this in a wheelchair...
Just turn em out.
hallyandhidalgo they are turned out every day. These are incredibly expensive horses. They are not gunna turn them out 24/7.
Straw is much better for the environment, but it is very dusty and causes lung distress! In fact, when scientists are studying lung disease in horses (like heaves), they use straw bedding to induce lung issues in the test horses! Also, because straw is so stalky, unlike hay, meaning it is almost pure cellulose which is hard to digest, and harder to chew thoroughly, it increases the risk of colic!!
I never used straw solely because IM allergic haha
Ali Love - Haha! That is a great reason NOT to use straw! Our methods work for us, but may not be right for everyone!
I wouldn’t want straw in my horse’s stall for bedding 🤷♂️
Why not ? That’s the best natural bed. So what do you put in ?
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What a waste :(
Half of the straw she is throwing out isn't even wet or dirty. That's a lot of money in a year to muck out like that, especially if you have more horses than one...
*So, the HAY is her food and her bedding?*
The bedding for this barn is straw. The hay is hay. Sometimes horses will eat some straw but given a choice they will eat hay over the straw
@@lizsarcam Unless they're our two Shetland ponies that turn their nose up at quality hay and eat their entire bed before the end of the day
That takes so long though
It's long when explaining on video, but when you get used to it, it is faster than cleaning a shavings stall!
Too bad the ponies ate all the straw where I used to work so they'd b up to their fetlocks in poop every single morning
Not even seriously a real barn muck job. No one spends that kind of time and money on their stalls. Only the rich can afford that type of lifestyle. Please get a reality check.
This is a barn with some very good horses that are certainly worth this kind of time and money. Taking this extra time and spending some extra money can help them feel better and be healthier which when their athletic performance matters so much and they are such expensive animals I think it makes sense to do so. It would be great if all horses could be treated this way, kudos to them!
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Yeah that's an insane amount of bedding and she's throwing away too much. Places I've worked couldn't afford much bedding so I got VERY, VERY good at sorting through a bed so well it looks like I put fresh bedding in when I hadn't, but that was out of necessity and I got told off for it by other staff, but I knew I had to because we kept running out.
What madness, why can't we let animals be free, instead of all this unnecessary work.Taking care of animals in the wild,providing them shelter when they need, instead of this jail,is so much better. I am beginning to think ,we are a foolish species.
i think you're right
@@howardmckeown7187 Do you realize ,that includes you too?
@@nirmalan5590 Don't be rude to people agreeing with you
@@SobrietyandSolace What sounds rude to you , is " expressing effectively" to me. Don't like it? Dont read it.Who cares?
You have enough straw for three different stalls in that one. Especially with it having a dirt floor. Maybe for a colt foal that has long legs and is awkward you should have that much for a month or two. All that straw dust is unhealthy. Wet straw is a recipe to founder. Install head level hay racks and feed the kept separate dry hay dropped from a hole in the loft. You would get fired for taking so long to clean a stall in the real world. Rename your channel "Horse Hobby Fun". The Kentucky John Madden has been dead for years. His wife Anita died recently. His brother Patrick may still be alive. John's father was from New York and raced horses.
Thanks for the reply. We are sharing the Madden Method, which is our way of doing things in our stable. Our way has worked for us, as a successful show jumping stable since the 1980s, but our system may not be the right system for everyone! The best horsemen and women are always learning and improving.
That being said, we are lucky to have excellent New York straw that is not dusty and we have no issues with wet straw either. We find it better for our horses to feed our hay on the ground, unless they have a specific reason to have a hay bag. Thanks again for watching!
@@johnmaddensalesinc Which specific John Madden are you using to name the method after? Any of the Many Muck Moving Methods listed are simpler than doing calculus I guess. Kentucky gets a string of people from Canada and New York who are wanting strong, sound, smart, and mature thoroughbreds that are not that quick of a runner so they can train them to be Hunter Jumpers for resale. Except for trust fund hobby folks who make pets of them and adore their case of ribbons. I have been told that very good money can be made in the resale if you are lucky . Your (sales.inc) sounds retail so I guess you sell but your stable looks maliciously hobby. Or it could be that you labor under the observations by a neurotic overlord.
Ohio produces the cleanest straw in the U S (pure blond) and they deliver.
@@grasssnake0068 This is the TH-cam account of John and Beezie Madden. Beezie has competed in four Olympics for show jumping, winning two gold, one silver and one bronze medal, as well as being a two time World Cup Finals winner. She is currently ranked 6th in the world and 1st in the United States.
@@johnmaddensalesinc I have confused your John Madden with the Lexington KY John Madden. He bred 182 stakes winners. 5 KY Derby and 5 Belmont Stakes winners. Sir Barton was horse-racing's first triple crown winner. (the horse not the Bourbon named after him) Johns 2000 acre Lexington farm was named after his industry leading stallion, Hamburg. Remarkably he had a hands on input to the training of many of the legends. Saying he had a colorful life is an understatement.
I looked up your John and Breezie. They are accomplished competitors. Sorry for the confusion. It appears you have a first class outfit.
TIP: How to make a living in the horse industry: (step one) Find someone rich who loves horses and get a job until they run out of money or loose interest . (step two) Find someone new with piles of money and get a job. Ect.
Thanks for talking to me. May all your horse dreams win by a nose.
Sadly, you're right. I have been reprimanded for taking too long to muck out but the stables NEVER ordered enough bedding so the horses would have nothing at all, lying in their own waste for a day or two before the next delivery which pained me to see. I am an expert in making a filthy bed look bloody brand new with no or minimal bedding added but it takes time and the more I see people who do the opposite extreme (lazily taking EVERYTHING out because it takes 30 seconds without even looking at what you're doing) the more I feel pressurised to make up for their waste. 15 years working with horses for minimum wage or less and I'm homeless... can't even afford a horse share or lesson here and there. Any rich people want to adopt me? I've commuted 7 hours in a day and worked 12+ hour shifts so I'm hardly lacking in work ethic.