The funniest thing about it was the USAPL guy who investigated the complaint and concluded that the real issue was that Inzer was actually 7mm stiff neoprene while Iron Rebel and others were deceiving the audiences by actually only having 3mm.
Yes that backfired in his face. 😂 Inzer was ruled as just the superior product and complainers didn't know what they were talking about when saying there was rubber in the sleeve. Neoprene is a type of rubber.😂 Looked like 🤡 after that.
Thanks for the video. I'm planning on doing something similar but add in a few you didn't cover (Hansu, Cerberus, AUG, Pioneer) and prob not hit on the Helix or VHiI. From what I've found personally is there are 2 main shapes (Ergo & Cone) and a few outliers (A7 & Oni). Other than that what it comes down to for best sleeve is leg shape and sizing. A lot of similiarly shaped sleeves are just so different in sizing that I think people end up preferring one over the other without being properly fit. For example a comp fit for me in the Inzer is a size small, large in A7, XL in pioneer, XXL in cerberus, etc... Right now for me, based off my leg shape and sizing, I've found the XL Pioneers to be my preferred (they're also the most dense weight wise) of the sleeves I've used.
Looking forward to seeing your video, especially as you’ll be covering some of the brands that I didn’t! It 100% comes down to preference for sure at the end of the day, and you’re exactly right when it comes to the sizing. I keep expressing to people to take the time to actually measure and go off the sizing charts rather than guessing what to get based on what they wear in a different brand.
@@TheSwolefessor Agreed, I've been telling everyone to use the size chart for that particular brand and not to size down. We're so programmed from the last gen of sleeves to go down a size or two. Too much of a gamble these days and sizing is all over the place as you've shown here in the video.
@@winterizcold8605 I prob won't unless they send me some. Spent way too much already lol.As Marcellus mentioned in another post, they look to be just like Inzers, which would confirm to my basic shape and sizing comments above. Personally the Inzer shape don't work well for my leg b/c of the lower flares.
Do (or Marcellus if you see this) reckon that there's *really* much variance in the quality of the neoprene across brands? Surely there aren't that many neoprene suppliers. The variance should (imo) come from shape, size, and construction methods. I have 3 year old A7's that work fine, but the seams cut me on longer workouts and are meh. I was planning on seeing if anything in this video swayed me and then choosing between Hansu, Pioneer, and Ceberus based on price and seam design lol
This was a really good video. I'm one of the few that do see knee sleeves dropping left and right and I'm just like damm do I need to upgrade but learning how in-depth it gets reassures that I'm good where I'm at for now. I would just be adjusting for the sake of it as opposed to needing it. Appreciate all the time and effort that went into this! I can only imagine the amount of time that went into this.
The technology is continuing to develop and quality control is becoming more consistent across the board, so taking your time in picking up next gen neoprene isn't a bad idea since they are expensive. Keep in mind if you have a beefy leg or chicken legs. Different sleeves will serve you based on fit.
The video we were all waiting for! From your description (and pics), it seems the VHII sleeves are exactly the same as the Hansu powers (probably come from the same manufacturing) just with diff branding. I feel sizing is a bit all over the place for all brands. The Hansus I ordered TTS and had to size down, the A7 I ordered TTS and had to size up 😅
Nice review, I personally have the iron rebels. I do agree that they are very tight and are uncomfortable at first, to the point they hurt. They took months of squatting 3x a week to break in but now work well and feel great throughout a squat session
@@vandamas1998 Up until now Im very happy. The got slightly softer 3-5% after a month or two. The fit really good. Long term i still dknt have an opinion yer but overally very good.
The Iron Rebels are definitely mislabeled on sizes, not sure why they chose to label them that way. I wear mediums in my Stoics and had to go 2XL on the Iron Rebels. The first couple of times to get them on almost made me regret using them at all. However, what I found out with any of these stiff sleeves was to if you like to wear compression pants then that makes putting these on a ton easier in training (no kidding, 10x easier to put with the use of wrist straps as well). I love them now that I have used them more, they feel great if I get them above the chunky part on my calf.
did you size down on the TKS? the cap on the size chart for large is 15.5in and my knee joint measured 15.75 but don’t know if i should just get the xl (15.75-16.5) or the large
The titan tks were great but the seams were ripping in 8 months 2x/week frequency squats. I still squat in them even though they’re not offering near the support they were in the beginning. It sucks bc they were super easy to get on and off compared to my inzer ergo pros. I’m going to try the strength shop inferno pros next. I’d try the helix but their size chart doesn’t accommodate for anything over 16 inches. My calves are almost 17 inches. That’s the only knee sleeve company I’ve seen that doesn’t make sizes for bigger measurements than that 😂
Did you get the Infernos? I wouldn't buy them again. I got 2xl pair in the summer, it took 12 sessions before I tore them (what was most surprising it wasn't in the stitching). Strength shop support is nice, I got them replaced for a pair of XL but today it was my 9th session in the sleeves (I was injured for some time and then ill for more than a month and I use 'em only for heavy sessions) and I can already see small tears in the material again. So I'm considering buying new sleeves and TKS seems like a best performanc sleeve but if they are also easy to tear I might go for another brand... Btw how stiff are TKS vs inferno pros?
Appreciate the time you took to put this together. I'm scatterbrained and might've missed it but was your SBD review on the new "powerlifting" knee sleeve or the regular one that's been out for a while? I had og SBDs from 2013 or so (had to retire them just cuz they got holes/stretched as shit now haha) but I am on the fence of how the newer ones compare these days. Much appreciated in advance, sir.
I have the Titans, careful though mine has started to rip within 2 months, and Nico and Syd experienced the same thing. Also unsure if they have policy for warantee yet.
@@Aguynearu Yes! I think its a mix of both, If you think of it, the stiffer they are the more sheer forces are acting on the neoprene so it does kind of make sense. I hope they fix the quality at least, however I did hear back from customer support that they will be replacing my ripped pairs so if you want to test them out go for it
With the A7s I had to go a size up from my true to size measurements due to being cursed with "asian calves" lol. Still really like the shape and feel overall.
If I were looking for a sleeve PURELY to get the most lbs out of it......would you recommend the titans over the inzers? Ive tried a few different sleeves and I feel the inzers give me the most. Haven't tried titans but am looking for a new super stiff sleeve just for the last few weeks of prep and comp day, and im undecided if I wanted to get another inzer but 2 sizes down (1 size down currently fits fine) or if I should go with titans. Again, this is purely to get the most out of them for meet day. comfort and ease of putting them on is not a concern. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Yah I bought 2XL in the new Iron Rebel sleeves (per the chart) and couldn’t get them on. Had to size up to 4XL to even get a pair on. I wear a L in their old knee sleeve. 🤔
I use the iron rebel and according to the chart im a size down. They are super tight, but i honestly dont mind them. However i have no tried the new red label one so that might be less tight.
Yeah I didn’t go out of my way to buy brands that frankly aren’t being rocked by a large amount of people. If I had to guess from looking at them, there probably isn’t a major difference between them and inzers
I grabbed the A7s in mediums and could not get them off without 2 others helping. Grabbed large and I’m good now. I am selling my mediums if anyone is interested
I just saw the accident of the bodybuilder Justyn Vicky and I got terrified (neck injury). Any safety tips for going for a heavy squat pr? I appreciate your content a lot, thanks for your dedication!
Hey man! So what happened in that situation was tragic, but that being said it’s not a usual occurrence. You want to make sure you have good spotters and that they KNOW how to properly spot you. You can even just TH-cam “how to spot someone on a squat.” You also typically want side spots vs just one back spotter (all three are ideal). As the lifter, you want to have the safety bar set up if you have access to them if you don’t have any spotters. Assuming you don’t have spotters then you can always bail out on the squat as well if you feel the need to. You can also watch videos on how to do that as well.
Yah I bought 2XL in the new Iron Rebel sleeves (per the chart) and couldn’t get them on. Had to size up to 4XL to even get a pair on. I wear a L in their old knee sleeve. 🤔
Are you going to review Inzer Ergopro KONA sleeves? You mentioned you had smaller calves and these newer sleeves are a more favorable tapered design. Also, nobody else has done a review on them yet.
Would you compare the new SBD sleeves to the previous A7 "stiff" cone sleeves? I use the stiff cone sleeves now in training but plan on something a little stiffer for meet day. I really like how the cone shape feel and think I'm going to stick to something more cone shaped and less hour hour glass.
I literally said and showed that the new SBD sleeves aren’t stiff, and that they are better SPECIFICALLY for people who don’t want sleeves that are as stiff. Did you even watch the video before asking this? 💀💀
@@TheSwolefessorI did I just asked if it was comparable to the middle of the road stiff sleeves a7 sells and has sold previously before the current generation of sleeves. You never mentioned them so I asked. Lol I've watched every sleeve video you have made plus training videos, no need to be a douche bag.
@@MeanBob_Games sorry I didn’t put the @. My message was in response to the other dude saying “don’t be deceived.” As if I didn’t clearly show and talk about the stiffness (or lack thereof) in relation to the SBD sleeves. I see the confusion because it said “asking this” instead of “saying this” but that was just an auto correct on my phone To answer your question, I think the new SBDs are MUCH better than the old generation A7. I actually don’t think the old generation A7 sleeves are very good at all compared to the old generation stoics or SBD. Lolol my bad, I responded to the other dude and didn’t even get to your OG question
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Literally could not have dropped a better time, I just started looking for new sleeves today
Never forget Iron Rebel first spread the rumor that Inzer wasn’t comp legal and then we’re the second company to come out with a pair of their own…
LOLOL
The funniest thing about it was the USAPL guy who investigated the complaint and concluded that the real issue was that Inzer was actually 7mm stiff neoprene while Iron Rebel and others were deceiving the audiences by actually only having 3mm.
Yes that backfired in his face. 😂 Inzer was ruled as just the superior product and complainers didn't know what they were talking about when saying there was rubber in the sleeve. Neoprene is a type of rubber.😂 Looked like 🤡 after that.
iron rebel is lame asf
DShel appearance! Happy to see him getting some shine with the new sleeves. Hopefully we see him back on the platform soon too 🤘🏼
Literally in the market for my first set of knee sleeves. Appreciate the review!
Thanks for the video. I'm planning on doing something similar but add in a few you didn't cover (Hansu, Cerberus, AUG, Pioneer) and prob not hit on the Helix or VHiI. From what I've found personally is there are 2 main shapes (Ergo & Cone) and a few outliers (A7 & Oni). Other than that what it comes down to for best sleeve is leg shape and sizing. A lot of similiarly shaped sleeves are just so different in sizing that I think people end up preferring one over the other without being properly fit. For example a comp fit for me in the Inzer is a size small, large in A7, XL in pioneer, XXL in cerberus, etc... Right now for me, based off my leg shape and sizing, I've found the XL Pioneers to be my preferred (they're also the most dense weight wise) of the sleeves I've used.
Looking forward to seeing your video, especially as you’ll be covering some of the brands that I didn’t! It 100% comes down to preference for sure at the end of the day, and you’re exactly right when it comes to the sizing. I keep expressing to people to take the time to actually measure and go off the sizing charts rather than guessing what to get based on what they wear in a different brand.
Could you also add the “Ghost strongest knee sleeves” if possible? it would be nice to see a review on them from a more experienced source🙏🏾
@@TheSwolefessor Agreed, I've been telling everyone to use the size chart for that particular brand and not to size down. We're so programmed from the last gen of sleeves to go down a size or two. Too much of a gamble these days and sizing is all over the place as you've shown here in the video.
@@winterizcold8605 I prob won't unless they send me some. Spent way too much already lol.As Marcellus mentioned in another post, they look to be just like Inzers, which would confirm to my basic shape and sizing comments above. Personally the Inzer shape don't work well for my leg b/c of the lower flares.
Do (or Marcellus if you see this) reckon that there's *really* much variance in the quality of the neoprene across brands? Surely there aren't that many neoprene suppliers. The variance should (imo) come from shape, size, and construction methods. I have 3 year old A7's that work fine, but the seams cut me on longer workouts and are meh. I was planning on seeing if anything in this video swayed me and then choosing between Hansu, Pioneer, and Ceberus based on price and seam design lol
This was a really good video. I'm one of the few that do see knee sleeves dropping left and right and I'm just like damm do I need to upgrade but learning how in-depth it gets reassures that I'm good where I'm at for now. I would just be adjusting for the sake of it as opposed to needing it. Appreciate all the time and effort that went into this! I can only imagine the amount of time that went into this.
Yessir!! That’s the whole goal of the video, so glad it helped out in that regard!
The technology is continuing to develop and quality control is becoming more consistent across the board, so taking your time in picking up next gen neoprene isn't a bad idea since they are expensive. Keep in mind if you have a beefy leg or chicken legs. Different sleeves will serve you based on fit.
The video we were all waiting for!
From your description (and pics), it seems the VHII sleeves are exactly the same as the Hansu powers (probably come from the same manufacturing) just with diff branding.
I feel sizing is a bit all over the place for all brands. The Hansus I ordered TTS and had to size down, the A7 I ordered TTS and had to size up 😅
Nice review, I personally have the iron rebels. I do agree that they are very tight and are uncomfortable at first, to the point they hurt. They took months of squatting 3x a week to break in but now work well and feel great throughout a squat session
Fantastic breakdown and explanation of all the knee sleeves! Helix to the moon
I bought TKS a few weeks ago. they look promising! Stitching looks solid
how were they?
@@vandamas1998 Up until now Im very happy. The got slightly softer 3-5% after a month or two. The fit really good. Long term i still dknt have an opinion yer but overally very good.
thanks, im still yet to decide between TKS and A7 rigor mortis
@@vandamas1998 Tbh I dont think it makes much difference in performance. It's just which one survives longer without losing stiffness
@@The.VikingrMy Titan sleeves ripped after 3 months.
Need an updated video on these bro!!!
Video deserves a couple hundred thousand likes and views man. Very high quality stuff and helped me narrow down my picks
my inzer sleeves are coming tuesday, im hype
The Iron Rebels are definitely mislabeled on sizes, not sure why they chose to label them that way. I wear mediums in my Stoics and had to go 2XL on the Iron Rebels. The first couple of times to get them on almost made me regret using them at all. However, what I found out with any of these stiff sleeves was to if you like to wear compression pants then that makes putting these on a ton easier in training (no kidding, 10x easier to put with the use of wrist straps as well). I love them now that I have used them more, they feel great if I get them above the chunky part on my calf.
Very surprised after watching. Guess I’ll be trying the helix’s out tho next
What size do you wear in the titans?
did you size down on the TKS? the cap on the size chart for large is 15.5in and my knee joint measured 15.75 but don’t know if i should just get the xl (15.75-16.5) or the large
I like the helix sleeves, but I’ve ripped both and L and Xl after squatting :/ need something that won’t keep ripping
The titan tks were great but the seams were ripping in 8 months 2x/week frequency squats. I still squat in them even though they’re not offering near the support they were in the beginning. It sucks bc they were super easy to get on and off compared to my inzer ergo pros. I’m going to try the strength shop inferno pros next. I’d try the helix but their size chart doesn’t accommodate for anything over 16 inches. My calves are almost 17 inches. That’s the only knee sleeve company I’ve seen that doesn’t make sizes for bigger measurements than that 😂
Did you get the Infernos? I wouldn't buy them again. I got 2xl pair in the summer, it took 12 sessions before I tore them (what was most surprising it wasn't in the stitching). Strength shop support is nice, I got them replaced for a pair of XL but today it was my 9th session in the sleeves (I was injured for some time and then ill for more than a month and I use 'em only for heavy sessions) and I can already see small tears in the material again. So I'm considering buying new sleeves and TKS seems like a best performanc sleeve but if they are also easy to tear I might go for another brand... Btw how stiff are TKS vs inferno pros?
Folded and missed the Helix drop💀 but my boy is letting me try his Titan sleeves
Appreciate the time you took to put this together. I'm scatterbrained and might've missed it but was your SBD review on the new "powerlifting" knee sleeve or the regular one that's been out for a while? I had og SBDs from 2013 or so (had to retire them just cuz they got holes/stretched as shit now haha) but I am on the fence of how the newer ones compare these days. Much appreciated in advance, sir.
The new one!!
of course the helix sleeves are sold out haha. Anyone have insights on when they get restocked? Thanks
Are your wrist wraps stiff, medium or flexible? I'm thinking of buying those A7s today on Cyber Monday
thank you so much for this review!! do you have any sense as to when the helix performance sleeves are going to be restocked?
Stitch on back of your TKS coming apart. How long have you had them?
If I’m a medium in the inzer sleeves, what size would I be in the titans?
I just got my village hidden in the iron sleeve.
how would you compare the A7 Rigor mortis to the new SBD powerlifting sleeves?
would the A7 100% provide more bounce off the hole as compared to SBD?
would recommend iron rebels still, despite having to upsize a big they have a better fit than inzers if you have smaller calves
All these other sleeves on the list have a better fit than inzers though. So I feel like that’s not a very strong argument for them
So Titan are the stiffest. Are the helix stiffer than the Inzer also?
I have the Titans, careful though mine has started to rip within 2 months, and Nico and Syd experienced the same thing. Also unsure if they have policy for warantee yet.
@@samzeng5467 Syd as in Sydlifts? And dang already ripping cause they sized foo much or quality control
@@Aguynearu Yes! I think its a mix of both, If you think of it, the stiffer they are the more sheer forces are acting on the neoprene so it does kind of make sense.
I hope they fix the quality at least, however I did hear back from customer support that they will be replacing my ripped pairs so if you want to test them out go for it
It the titan stiffer than the iron rebel?
no stoics??
i really like my strenght shop knee sleeves and also nice and cheap
No ghost strongest knee sleeves?
I was going to get those, but may do Helix now.
SBD''s are awesome.
Haven’t watched yet but the answer is Inzers.
💀💀💀💀
Inzer is actually second
@@Aguynearusecond worse you mean?
@@CIAAgent-bb3zo second best .
@@Aguynearu this video says otherwise
SBD should be charged with a crime for charging that much for their “new sleeves”. They are hot garbage.
Does anyone know if the helix performance ipf approved
With the A7s I had to go a size up from my true to size measurements due to being cursed with "asian calves" lol. Still really like the shape and feel overall.
Hahah, I wish I had that problem 💀
If I were looking for a sleeve PURELY to get the most lbs out of it......would you recommend the titans over the inzers? Ive tried a few different sleeves and I feel the inzers give me the most. Haven't tried titans but am looking for a new super stiff sleeve just for the last few weeks of prep and comp day, and im undecided if I wanted to get another inzer but 2 sizes down (1 size down currently fits fine) or if I should go with titans. Again, this is purely to get the most out of them for meet day. comfort and ease of putting them on is not a concern. Any advice would be much appreciated.
I would go with the titans!
Yah I bought 2XL in the new Iron Rebel sleeves (per the chart) and couldn’t get them on. Had to size up to 4XL to even get a pair on. I wear a L in their old knee sleeve. 🤔
how long have you had those inzer sleeves? recently they changed their material so they aren’t ass stiff, they changed it about 2 months ago i think
Yeah the latest batches are trash by comparison. Mine are the OGs
I use the iron rebel and according to the chart im a size down. They are super tight, but i honestly dont mind them. However i have no tried the new red label one so that might be less tight.
Are the helix The Chinese finger trap for knee sleeves lol
Are the Helix sleeves USAPL approved?
@@bradyb4923 they are
what do you think of hansu power??
Very very cool. Any plans for IPF approval on the Helix?
I believe they do plan to move forward with that in the future
@@TheSwolefessor awesome. I have the new SBDs right now and like them well enough. Probably hold out for these in the future then!
Thoughts on Brian Shaw's sleeves from Evolution Athletics?
I got some inzers recently but they always slide off they’re too big around the calf’s and can’t get all the way up the thighs 😴
For the village ones definitely size down for smaller calves. Learned this the hard way
What did you get for the measurement on knee and calf?
if i wanted to purely squeeze every single kilogram out of my squats, which one would be better? A7 rigor mortis or titan TKS?
TKS, also A7's are pretty terrible if you have small calves
Are the helix allowed in comp in powerlifting America/ipf
I believe they are allowed in all feds right now besides IPF. I know that getting that approval is something they’ll eventually look to do though
Whre are the Oni Pro
Aren’t the rebels not usapl approved
titan or inzer for comp not training
my boy, his village sleeves ripped from the back after failing a squat 😿
Have you or know of anyone that has tried on the hansu knee sleeves?
I found the village hidden in iron are stiffer and better fit then the inzers.
How do all these sleeves compare to the OG rehbands?
Bruh. 😂
No Ghost Strongest knee sleeves🥹 would have loved to see it in the review but great vid still
Yeah I didn’t go out of my way to buy brands that frankly aren’t being rocked by a large amount of people. If I had to guess from looking at them, there probably isn’t a major difference between them and inzers
Do a oni bukiya pro review
I grabbed the A7s in mediums and could not get them off without 2 others helping. Grabbed large and I’m good now. I am selling my mediums if anyone is interested
What color?
@@Fruzz56 flamingo pink
What were your measurements?
@@shounitkamboj6556 can’t remember honestly. I think it was around the modicum except calves. My calves were bigger
I just saw the accident of the bodybuilder Justyn Vicky and I got terrified (neck injury). Any safety tips for going for a heavy squat pr? I appreciate your content a lot, thanks for your dedication!
Hey man! So what happened in that situation was tragic, but that being said it’s not a usual occurrence. You want to make sure you have good spotters and that they KNOW how to properly spot you. You can even just TH-cam “how to spot someone on a squat.” You also typically want side spots vs just one back spotter (all three are ideal).
As the lifter, you want to have the safety bar set up if you have access to them if you don’t have any spotters. Assuming you don’t have spotters then you can always bail out on the squat as well if you feel the need to. You can also watch videos on how to do that as well.
Yah I bought 2XL in the new Iron Rebel sleeves (per the chart) and couldn’t get them on. Had to size up to 4XL to even get a pair on. I wear a L in their old knee sleeve. 🤔
Use safeties and side spotters on ME attempts.
Are you going to review Inzer Ergopro KONA sleeves? You mentioned you had smaller calves and these newer sleeves are a more favorable tapered design. Also, nobody else has done a review on them yet.
ONI knee sleeves are the best! You should try it tbh.
I’m good. Unless they randomly send me a pair because I don’t plan on dropping anymore money on sleeves
Would you compare the new SBD sleeves to the previous A7 "stiff" cone sleeves?
I use the stiff cone sleeves now in training but plan on something a little stiffer for meet day. I really like how the cone shape feel and think I'm going to stick to something more cone shaped and less hour hour glass.
bro the new sbds arent stiff at all dont be decieved LMAO
I literally said and showed that the new SBD sleeves aren’t stiff, and that they are better SPECIFICALLY for people who don’t want sleeves that are as stiff. Did you even watch the video before asking this? 💀💀
@@TheSwolefessorI did I just asked if it was comparable to the middle of the road stiff sleeves a7 sells and has sold previously before the current generation of sleeves. You never mentioned them so I asked. Lol I've watched every sleeve video you have made plus training videos, no need to be a douche bag.
@@MeanBob_GamesI think he was replying to the other guy.
@@MeanBob_Games sorry I didn’t put the @. My message was in response to the other dude saying “don’t be deceived.” As if I didn’t clearly show and talk about the stiffness (or lack thereof) in relation to the SBD sleeves. I see the confusion because it said “asking this” instead of “saying this” but that was just an auto correct on my phone
To answer your question, I think the new SBDs are MUCH better than the old generation A7. I actually don’t think the old generation A7 sleeves are very good at all compared to the old generation stoics or SBD. Lolol my bad, I responded to the other dude and didn’t even get to your OG question
Easy on and off? Ok Helix has me sold.
Diddi Shell
IRON VILLAGE HIDDEN!!!
Trash
New SBDs are the best