🫣 Will AI Take Over Manga?
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0:00 The First AI-Generated Manga
2:00 Will AI Take Over Manga?
9:11 ComicAI
12:41 ComicsMaker.AI
15:32 DALL-E 3
18:14 Warning
19:39 New Regulations on AI
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Ai art is the very thing that made me finally go, “That’s it! I’m learning to draw! Hand-made art is not gonna die as long as I have anything to say about it!” My creations are going to be 100% AI free!
That's a great way to look at it. I've been depressed ever since this ai art started because I thought that learning to draw now is useless. Thanks for the comment it motivated me.
Hell yes!!!! Go get it!!!
HELLLL YEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!?!
Count me in
As long as I’m doing traditional art, I don’t feel threatened by AI at all.
Mangas are all about mangakas giving it their all. Sweat, blood, tears, and in the end; a human story told for humans… No AI can replace it.
A person writes the story and decides which images fit best.
@@Aleks96what about ai writes story
@@FollowP.L.A.N-el2wq There is also photography but there are still painters. So I don't see any problems there. Besides, we're not there yet. People still have to write the stories.
@@Aleks96 painter used to paint portrait then photographer came painter moved to drawing stylized art now with ai we don't need photographer because composition etc can be done by ai . painting art can be done ai and u know what ai can write story better many writers use ai to write stories ai currently sucks at dialogue But we can train ai with dialogue.... Wait few year later ai will replace writers ... We came from gorilla and ai came from us ... We control. Earth ai will control the universe
Nah that's copium. It doesnt matter if it's created by an alien, a human, or a computer. Manga's only need to be entertaining to the reader.
We all take this issue seriously before it's too late....
Too late for?
Dont play dumb. Just go back to selling your course and trying to both sides this issue while selling artists out and gaslighting them when we call you out on it.. High five! GFY! @@aphlearntodrawmanga
@@aphlearntodrawmanga Too late for human creativity. AI is a parasite.
@@priceyindividual2995 Does someone using a computer prevent you from picking up a pencil?
@@priceyindividual2995 skill issue
While A.I could be used as a tool , the MAIN issue lots of artist have (including myself) is that its trained on people's works without permission.
Which is fair enough (I partially thinking this cuz I hate the fact people made money ai art)
I really glad you recognise ai is he use correctly can be really helpful
Yup. That’s true. We definitely understand the plight of artists and why people are against it.
The regulations and research on safe AI use are definitely going to develop from here on out.
The Hiroshima AI Process Comprehensive Policy Framework we mentioned in the video is definitely a milestone towards this and it has regulations that protect creators as well.
Incorporating AI into artwork is like taking the flavour and nutrients out of a fruit.
Someone finally pointed it out.
That's a way to put it. How would you compare pro mangakas who put filtered images or presets as backgrounds in their manga?
@@aphlearntodrawmanga what are presets?
@@aphlearntodrawmanga It's like using frozen food to make a great dish. It's good, but it's an easy shortcut.
Whereas, using AI in any kind of artwork takes away the human element, and no matter what it tries to represent, it doesn't have any real meaning or depth.
So their storytelling ain’t an art?
In the desire to obtain entertainment faster and faster, people are more willing to remove the human factor from a medium like manga than to give better working conditions to artists
What you're saying is the "Profit-Imperative" to everything in modern life. If everything in life boils down to "the bottom line" the results are substandard for human-quality in that process of boiling down.
AI just takes that imperative to the absolute maximum: Remove human from the entire process and maximize profit with minimal cost.
I can see A.I. art being used to assist artists with developing a world or to assist in that artists workflow and style.
But I believe that the artist should still tradionally draw, either by a digital sketchpad or with physical materials. Then use AI to incorporate you're style and to learn and adapt to you, instead of just letting it generate and do all the work by incorporating other styles it references. I think it should honestly be used as a personal tailored assistant that works with you instead of you just letting it do all the work.
Definitely agree!
For sure! Couldn’t agree more that we still need to learn drawing and storytelling even if AI is around.
Being able to use it as a tailored personal art assistant for ourselves would be really awesome! Might even happen in the future if laws and companies play it right.
That's what I really want if I have chronic tendonitist. Actually, I have mild signs of it. Maybe, I should ask those digital artists that have tendonitis. That is the only talent that I can showcase as an illustrator in our office. Even writers amd encoders can develop that annoying hand injury.
It's really unfair because AI is trained with images artists made by themselves throught hardwork and long studys and now it steals them using their own talent.
I hate AI and laws should be made against it.
Not an AI defender, but literally that's how you, as a natural intelligence, as a person, as an artist, also are trained with the images made by artists throught hardwork and long studies (also from other artists), and "steal" them.
And another thing: Talent is a myth. Stop referring to it as a valuable option. It is not. It is as dehumanizing or more than AI bros. to call us just "talented" people.
Real artists also initially imitate the styles of other artists. This is how art has developed throughout human history. don't be obtuse
@@t.durustein2185 Those are the consequences of "culture war" and cultural illiteracy.
People keep themselves so much on echo chambers that seem to need to be wilfully ignorant because it's "the other side" instead of asking the real questions and the real affected. Artists, like me and many more.
@@definitivamenteno-malo7919 I do not feel threatened by AI.
@definitivamenteno-malo7919 made a great point that even us as humans actually copy other artists that come before us.
The anime/manga style we enjoy today did not exist a few decades ago.
Japanese comic artists were copying American comics until Osamu Tezuka started incorporating camera techniques from movies into comics.
Nonetheless, as we mentioned in the video, our world leaders have already come up with the Hiroshima AI Process Comprehensive Policy Framework that provides guidelines and safe use of AI. We're probably going to see more laws and regulations on AI roll out in the years to come.
I think the reason why I’m so against A.I is due to the fact in the west (mostly America) big companies corporations will use and abuse AI to increase profit without having to pay their artist writers and etc. That’s why the writer strike was so huge since people don’t want their jobs taken away or get even more poor treatment from big cooperations. Like how they want to use AI for background characters where they tried to copyright actors that are use for background scene so they can keep it forever.
Thought that’s my two cents
Great video and can’t wait for more
But in that regard, they may overestimate its capabilities and end up making art that doesn’t look all that appealing and soulless. But if it is used along side human creativity, it might work.
If AI allows companies to make products without the need of workers, it would also allow individuals to make those same products by themselves without the need of working for those companies. Everyone would be able to make what companies make. AI will flood companies, not make them more powerful.
If an AI that is tailored to my needs and tastes can make me an entertaining and interesting movie for free, why would I pay Disney for a mid movie?
And technically, I would not be able to pay Disney in the first place, if I can’t have a job due to automation.
If consumers can’t pay companies, companies can’t make money.
Some people think AI will make capitalism worse, but I believe it will naturally kill it.
The fact the ai generaters makes you pay for additional money for “extra quirks” even though it’s stealing for artists all over the world.
So we need to pay for the art we already own too? Makes me sick ngl
They make you pay because all the money BIG tech (Microsoft, google et al) invested in these companies comes with very, very lucrative strings attached. The AI companies all signed deals to get preferrential rates on cloud computing services in order to run at all, because only BIG tech has the hardware to run this garbage.
There is no big money. It's all just companies wanting big pieces of the pie before the market realises this stuff is unsustainable, especially at scale.
@@roe_k I’m even more disgusted now.
(‘thanks for informing me!)
@@Wasurenagusa0 Yeah, we're talking energy needs the size of some European countries, it's obscene.
But anything your favourite artist has drawn is taken from other artists and images of real life, if you prompt “manga style” to an AI then it’s going to use images drawn in manga style to build the rest of your prompt, if you ask a human to draw something in manga style then they take from their experience of seeing and absorbing that style, they know how to draw manga style because they’ve absorbed that material and it’s stored in their brain, it’s not stealing.
Edit: not speaking on the companies charging money, just simply about the concept of AI image generation being theft.
@@mangastache that doesn’t change anything or make anything better. Because in the end of the day a human has to work years to even achieve that “inspired” work. We use real life and works of other artists ethically. It’s like saying “tracing is fine because we would achieve that level of skill with time anyway” but not doing the hard work to achieve that level of skill what so ever.
And we are original with that “inspired” work. Ai CANT generate images without existing artworks. We can.
Involving AI in Manga making is not acceptable. It could make years of practice and hardwork of veteran mankagas aspiring to be published look like worth nothing.
Why do you say it would amount to nothing?
@@aphlearntodrawmanga Right now we're able to romanticize a future where AI will make the mangakas work easier. The real threat we're gonna be facing though is that no mangakas will ever be needed again, once AI gets the ability to fully create.
@@gustavovorage The real threat here is that mangakas will be even more exploited and overworked, appart from the fact that new works will be bloated with hundreds of pagers but uninspiring repetitive content. That's the future that awaits. Lowering artists and other higher positions to grunt work level pay despite still being expected to produce a high volume of content... The future with AI is nothing but trouble, in all fields. Being a technical artist, seeing all of the young programmers copypasting crappy Chat GPT code and breaking prod on the daily, or artists in the team using AI generated images that look like crap (wether it is as concept art or even for textures in production! insane...)... I can't do anything but feel like the future is going to be filled with mediocrity... yes, even more than there already is.
This fills me with such indescribable rage and despair. What the fuck is the point of it all, of learning how to draw, if the machine is going to do it all for you anyway?
Fuck this shit.
Rage against the machine.
AI is bad at stylizing. That would require a whole different dataset. Open source AI exists that you could train in your art work alone, but for that to happen you would still need to learn to draw on top of knowing how to code.
did you watch the video entierly ?
I will never embrace ai
ai should disapear imo
true. But sadly, it is not going anywhere
Have to agree with raidenstark on this one.
Nah I'd win
world will be a better place without AI
@@nobody32770 no,is possible to live whiout ai but ai is not the problem,but what we doo with it
Im a mangaka just for fun also... I usually draw a short story..its still time taking job.. but recently i meet ai, i use and learn how to make manga with it. The result is not quite really good.. but as an artist i didnt want my hobby or the things i like get replace 100% by ai..instead i used to help me making manga( using ai as tool to help you not ai used you)... Ai help me generated idea for background, character design and more. As an example i genarated a simple background and then proceed to enhance it on my own and draw after filling everything...
Thank you for saving me a lot of time; with this video you've made me realize there's no point in watching any further videos from this channel. But before i unsub, i'd like to warn any fellow manga creators or artists reading this: don't let "productivity" kill your ENJOYMENT from creating art yourself.
Yes, it will be hard sometimes, and your story, manga or drawing might take time, but you'll grow because of it, in an artistic but also in a personal level (i talk from experience). They've told us many times that we have to do everything as fast as possible, that we have to be productive, but art is one of the few places where you can actually take the time to learn, to enjoy, to discover your strenghts and weaknesses, to grow as a person. And it takes time, there's no other way; that's the whole point. You'll learn to be pacient, and to be kinder to yourself.
By using these "tools", they want you to "speedrun" a process only for the sake of selling you their product, while you deny yourself the chance to actually be creative, and especially, to be YOURSELF. I, personally, don't care for how many drawings you produce, or how they look; if you are sincere with your art, to me, you are BEATIFUL, and so is your art, because that is exactly what art is for.
Regarding this channel's point of view, i have to say i'm dissapointed, but sadly, not impressed. If you truly care about stolen art or any of the artists and creators that are watching your channel you wouldn't be promoting any of this crap to begin with. Trying to compare digital art with AI theft was insulting to our intelligence, trying to justify it by showing extreme examples of artists who evidently don't have a healthy routine was manipulative, but to put a two minutes "warning" at the END of the video (after promoting it for 18 minutes) on how to avoid copyright BUT still use and promote the use of AI "tools" was the final spit in the face. You've made me realize you are not in this for the art, but for the CONTENT. And i'm fed up with content.
To any fellow artists who took the time to read this, i wish you the best of luck. Enjoy you art journey!
I has thinking about giving up , but this coment changed everthing . Thank you so much ( I'll make this coment my home screen.)
I will completely take advantage of this.
I will never take a shortcut!!! I won't scrape others' work and call it mine, Even though I don't know how to properly draw yet, I will only make my art with my HANDS!!! MY SKIILL !! MY SWEAT AND MY MIGHT!!! even if my work turns out to be shit, I will be happy because I made it with my hand, and I will keep drawing until I make my own Mona Lisa!!!
In the end, I will die happy knowing that I followed my passion and I also walked the same path many great artists walked before me.
While I do agree that being a manga artist is one of the hardest jobs in Japan, I do argue that having AI do everything for you does not help the situation, the problem with being a mangaka is tight dead lines, not the art or story. If you want to be a mangaka but you don't want to have to put effort into building a story or learning how to draw panels, then being a mangaka is most likely not the job for you.
We agree with you. AI shouldn’t do everything for you and as we mentioned in our vid, you definitely still need to put in the effort to learn and study storytelling, storyboarding, drawing, and all the necessary skills to create a great manga.
AI is simply a tool to enhance and speed up the creative process. It would never be able to completely replace mangakas.
If you want to create a great story, there definitely still needs to be a human touch to it to get the nuances and emotion just right.
That’s something AI just cannot fully replicate.
I think its nice to have a way for artist to truly express themselves in a simpler matter. Its never really the AI, its more of the companies trying to pinch as many pennies off a person's paycheck as much as possible.
Honestly I still prefer drawing the manga then letting A.i doing it the reason being is that when u want something really specific it won't generate it so for now I'll say no to A.i
Or atleast, it will follow the flow of your artline. But for the action posture, I'm just using some postures from movies as reference amd then, I'll just change the distances of their hands, their legs etc. Someday, I will ask my nephew as my model for the posture.
If they can’t draw they could join forces with an artist and bam
Join forces or learn how to draw themselves. Learning how to draw yourself is definitely the best way. 😉
There’s probably going to be more regulatory laws and policies surrounding AI in the years to come. They already started with the Hiroshima AI Process Comprehensive Policy Framework that we mentioned in the video.
Right now, there’s nothing legal that’s stopping people from selling AI art but there may be laws implemented soon on this soon.
It’s new territory and the world governments just started acting on it last year.
Before answering you, I wanted to thank you for the videos you make. You're not trying to show that being a manga artist is easy. You show the real difficulty of creating a manga and all that it entails. THANKS ! I really hope that you continue on this path.
Now I understand that the A.I. could help mangaka have fewer problems with their health. The mangaka who have had problems, or even died from it, are few but it is already far too many.
However, I don't agree with new aspiring manga artists using A.I. Compared to drawing software, you still have full control over everything you do. Digital drawing goes faster than traditional drawing because of the software which barely does a small part for you, to the point that you don't even notice it. For example, for black and white drawings, it goes much faster than if you did traditional black and white drawings, and even for color. This is a considerable time saver! But without learning the basics of color theory, or knowing how to make correct values, the drawing software will not replace your fundamentals and will not create a drawing for you "by magic", because it is still you who decides what what you want to do. Freedom is just as present with digital drawing as with traditional drawing. if not even more so. Now with assists for perspective, the imagination only stops with you. And again, even if you don't know the perspective, the assistance will not be able to do anything for you.
Unlike A.I. who actually does everything for you. Whether it’s the characters, the settings, the perspective, the values, etc. she really does everything without even doing it correctly. And then even as tools, I don't see how. A mangaka (artist, whatever) draws inspiration from his life, from reality, from his culture and from the culture of the world, from literature, from cinema... I mean, the sources of ideas are infinite and they have never been so present. He doesn't need the A.I. to generate “ideas” or whatever.
That's why I don't see the A.I. like a tool. Quite frankly, I see this as a disgrace to the manga itself. It's through blood, tears and guts that a manga is made. It's because we have a story to tell the world that we make comics. It is the human side that risks being lost if the A.I. is used.
Anyway, at the risk of being long, I would rather kill myself a thousand times, even a million times, by making a comic that comes from me, than to do it using an AI. who steals the works of artists, to make an amalgamation of his images and illusorily create an image.
id say it wont take over as in replace manga artists. the creativity and knoledge needed to make a story work is more than just the images, the way pnales flow, the emotions behind the linework and shading are very abstract concepts an ia could not grasp. however one could train an ia with its own art and use it to help produce new work way faster. and i think thats a good thing considering how much pro mangakas suffer both mentally and physycally now a days. Having more tools to help them with their work could be really beneficial
"the way panels flow, the emotions behind the linework and shading are very abstract concepts an ai could not grasp."
☝ THIS. Exactly!
We'd always need the human touch to refine and bring out the best manga out there.
This is probably going to lead to a lot more manga being made and I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of trash but there’s also an increased chance of getting something truly special from it and I’m here for that master piece that’s yet to be made.
A.I. is trained on the work of artists without their consent. How could any artist be okay using such a thing? It's such a slap in the face to their peers.
I was gonna complain but I reached the end of the video, AI is a tool I dont like due to the ethics behind it but I understand its important to learn how to use it and I will need to learn it on the future, so Ill follow the advice later when is a relaiable tool as for now thank you for the info
What a great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Then he is not a Mangaka. ( the AI generator) Its just disrespectful towards real Mangaka who breathe making illustrations and do everything they can to get better and refine their craft.
scares me very much but mangaka need a break and maybe this can give them that
What ppl rlly need to realize that even if AI manga WOULD become more common, the thing is, it can get pirated easily without getting copyright claimed whatsoever since it's a law, thus making REAL manga more profitable and it could REALLY benefit the artists that put hard work into their work, myself included since I am an artist myself
I'm kind of disappointed with the covering of this topic on this channel to be honest.
All the warnings of the legal and moral issues of this tech should be at the beginning of the video, not at the end after hyping it up the infamous A.I. generated manga.
I would not recommend using it even for "creative references", A.I. generated images are just an amalgamation of existing artworks and styles of real human artists. If you are not able to know the real source of your references or having the knowledge of your human artist inspirations, you can end up plagiarizing desings and scenes without even knowing the source.
Also creativity is a skill that needs to be trained too. If you are not being able to imagine your own scenery with limited references for your own, it will only get worse and worse if you let A.I. generated images be creative for you.
The visual and creative narrative will be driven by something else in your own manga...
I don't think any of the AI online will be of much use in the long term. AI is too sanitized, and humans can tell when things are too good be true. Stylized works in comics and sequential arts have more staying power than the over polished house styles that take over from time to time. Humans crave variety.
This 100%, Artists are what keep these companies alive, I'm genuinely shocked with how they decided to cover this topic. Knowing how these A.I's are trained should actually gain zero praise at all for the vomit they puke out. I've seen hundreds of examples of people getting scammed for buying A.I created things from Twitch backgrounds, medical books and anatomy books. A.I. gets ZERO sympathy from me. Legit stealing from hard working creators, it's absolutely foul.
What a way to hit the nail in the head.
Great comment. 😊
“AI created images are just an amalgamation of existing artworks and styles”
“Creativity is a skill that needs to be trained”
Can’t you see you contradiction here? AI is essentially doing what humans do, we experience the world and art and recreate it based on our own ideas. All artists create from what already exists, from images stored on their minds that came in through their eyes, whether it’s nature or artwork…
@@mangastache as the neuroscientist describes the concept of deep learning or data training in AI tech: it takes data points and turns them into a query-able structure that enables retrieval and interpolation between the points.
This type of learning is categorically different from even the simplest of embodied biological agents. As in, it's an entirely different category, with no shared characteristics. Analogies to how humans learn are just as misleading as when people used the same analogies to describe computers in the 1950s.
So no. There is not even remotely a "contradiction", please inform yourself lol
using ai to do work is like having a personal assistance... but a kiddie one and stubborn and sometime's they go rogue like wtf.
😂 Great analogy
Honestly, I'm not totally sold on this whole AI-manga thing. Like, yeah, it could be helpful for some stuff, but I just don't see it taking over the manga world. The only real advantage I can see is faster production, but let's be real, a skilled manga artist can pump out content pretty quickly too, and they can use AI as a tool to make even cooler stuff.
Plus, not every manga needs to have mind-blowing art, right? There are tons of popular 4-koma series with simple styles. The ones who might actually suffer are the up-and-coming artists who are still learning the ropes and honing their craft.
In the end, it all comes down to the readers. If they enjoy the story, they're not gonna care if it's drawn with stick figures, AI, or a mix of both. What we should really be asking is whether people will even be reading manga in five years, with all this crazy AI development going on. My guess? Manga, anime, movies, all that stuff might take a backseat as we dive into these immersive simulation worlds that big companies are working on. Maybe we'll all be living out our own Sword Art Online adventures, who knows?
And honestly, I don't get the whole fear of AI taking over. Like, what are they gonna do in a manga that humans can't? I'm just saying, if people really wanna worry about something, worry about the day AI starts creating truly new things, not just imitating what we already do. At this point, AI is just a tool, nothing more.
I have artblock for years, to the point i only focusing learning how to code.
I never knew AI and Art collide in the future, i feel like want to draw again with assist of AI but then i realize most drawing software has AI fiture already, like Clip studio can create shadow and highlights so i feel like i don't need to learn how to code for it.
For now ai generated image is very limited, i cant put my original character design from my head to image generator, and ai had an issue like inconsistency character design (especially facial expresion), for now i use ai for background refrence and crowd scene refrence.😌
Yeah, there’s definitely a lot of issues with AI generated art right now. There’s a lot of imperfections and far from what pro artists can do.
Would you be covering the MangaKa software from Steam?
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it will ever replace mangakas
source trust me
Do you think AI would replace mangakas?
The more yall give it inspiration and actually attention the more people are going to make ai become better at art
True. It sounds like you consider this to be a bad outcome? How do you prefer things to play out?
Ai art has been stressing me out th but at the end of the day, these ppl can take the the cheap shortcut but they'll never have the satisfaction of knowing they created a amazing story from their own mind and crafted it with their own hands.
May we ask what’s stressing you out?
Anyone know where I can find the interview with Doraemon-sensei? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
People are blowing this entire issue out of proportion. Artificial intelligence will not displace anyone. However, It is important for people to learn the basics of drawing and develop their skills before utilizing AI technology.
AI is being utilized by mangakas as a tool. The mangaka of Kengan Ashura uses it for reference images. An artist or mangaka has the ability to train an image model in their unique art style to assist in generating specific elements. AI can assist with background generation too.
That just takes all the fun out of making any art.
I would use AI to help with concept art and maybe props and some geometric elements. But otherwise I like drawing everything
thank you for making this video i now know what to use 🥰😁
Oh i need good story prompting skills? *Cracks knuckles in forever DM*
i would say that i have a story to what it could be one of the greatest manga created but i cant draw or anything so everyday i keep cheacking and hoping ai can give the chance to work on it
Ai art looks lifeless and too robotic. Not even appealing. I get generated prompts, but if you can’t write an entire story yourself that’s called being lazy. All this Ai art and writing stuff is just going to make society lazier and bigger sheep following big corporations to the slaughter house
Yup, that’s why we mentioned to use it just for referencing. You still gotta give it your own unique touch.
As a mangaka, you definitely need to also learn how to write a story yourself. It’s an essential skill. Even if you have AI to assist, it’s not going to be as good or as unique. The most AI is good for in terms of writing is to help generate ideas.
As mentioned in the video, the G7 has already agreed on the Hiroshima AI Process Comprehensive Policy Framework regulating AI use and aims to also protect small creators. There will be closer research on the safety risks of AI.
Very interesting video. I currently use the MIDJOURNEY AI which allows me to produce images that are more precise. I'm one of those people who know how to draw and who still use.
Unpopular opinion but I agree AI can be used as a TOOL only. I always saw it's potential, it could be very useful in idea generation and reference. I know the results are wack but you could improve upon it as reference to give new ideas for your art. It unironically helped my art block and running out of ideas for trying some promts.
Your video and the discusion is so professional! Thank you for using Comicai
Great job at stealing artists work! You sure are professionals... professional thieves.
Last December,one of the panelist that that had critique my finished GN had mentioned me the AI manga. I told him that I will not use that unless it will only enhance my work or it will not take my ideas entirely. You know the pride ego as an artist. But this year, I'm currently developing numbness and pain on both of my hands. Although, my left hand is most likely affected than the right one even I'm not a left handed person. I hope, it's not tendonitis. Although some digital artist artist can manage it. But tbh, if it will get worst, I maybe eat my pride and resort to AI. My employer and some of people are qlready asking me if I'm done with my project. Imagine, with just one episode, it took me 1 1/2 years due to some changes like the hairstyles, armor amd helmet designs etc.But if I can still draw even with that injury, I'll be the commander.No one can stop me from my passion.😒
I do say that the AI art stuff can help but only with generating references and ideas and only that. As an artist it is our job to use our creative skills, and creative mind to make an original art piece from the help of the reference.
😮 I don't use A.I. to do art, I use my own skill, but I never realized that someone with no art skills would use A.I
I mean, yeah, i think that's 80% of the appeal of AI, people who don't know how to art using it for gratifing results.
no one is stopping them from drawing physically (by hand) not cheater tool ai art...the people who want to stop them from drawing are weird people and should be ignored!
i have humble reequest can u pls make a video how to make manga didgitally for beginners , in media bang pro application pls pls pls pls...
I prefer just to learn traditional manga not AI, if everyone practice that we won't enjoy drawing manga by ourselves so for me this is not acceptable I don't want the AI to take over manga
Can you please tell us the name of the music that is used in the intro? Please dont ignore this comment
Try with Shazam for now
@@laskouide_newragingbulls I tried that. It can't detect the music past the woman constantly talking
Didn't think I'd see Futures featured in this video. (The black cat avatar)
I believe It depends if Ai art works will be able to monetized or not. If not then it will be a good reference tool for the artists, if you can sell a manga made by Ai which samples from other artists then that would be a problem I think.
haha sane i use chat gpt for my script i want to start out with a 20 or maybe 25 chapter manga it has the best plot i have ever made and chat gpt just helps me organize the script and it is working if you are asking yeah i lost all my drawing experience but i still can kinda draw i wanna make the first chapter soon
The only thing AI can truly replace is time. Everything else is left hallowly empty. Without "human" it isn't going to connect.
We're finished 😢
Then you have to put AI in the credits, or maybe not, but that would be like "cheating" I guess.
We'll probably have more laws and regulations in the future for the safe usage of AI. It's possible that our governments would require us to explicitly identify is something is AI-made depending on how this all unfolds.
Yes
OH thank God
it hurts the traditional artists but AI is AI. no competition
18:11 that's the 1/2 reason I'm against AI art and the second half is there's no copyright on machine produced art (stand when AI art was introduced). so I'm a bit afraid the mangaka who created the ai manga, has no copyright over it. the copyright law makers only want copyright on human made things, which I understand, but there are things not only humans make but other creaturs too. dogs can create paw print artworks, yet there's no copyright of it.
I also agree, it's better to use ai art generators as tools rather than make a full on product.
the only thing that makes me lazy and slows me from making my manga or any other activity is playing video games (league of legends to be specific) and also the unfinished plot of the story or the idea !!
As an analogue artist, I don't have much desire to use these AI tools; maybe they will become more useful in the future, but I would still find this creative process uninteresting. Digital programs are far enough for me -- that being said, I am interested in seeing what AI users create. Ignore the antis and develop your projects.
Otherwise the other advantages of AI is that it allows everyone to express these ideas without going through official industries who decide to approve your work according to their desires.
what should i do ?
What do you mean?
Interesting video. As a computer science major, I’m all for using technology to make our lives easier. AI, whether you like it or not, is gonna stay. It’s just the natural course of things. The world moves forward and all. That being said, I want to learn how to make my own manga myself. I want the satisfaction of saying “Hey I made this”
What we seem to expect... We'll have hundreds of great stories created with wonderful images. What we are going to get... showy images with crappy stories as the market is flooded with people who think they tell stories well. We are moving to Fan Fiction quality works.
смотрю это видео, хоть я и иностранец, просто потому что мне его переводит нейросеть, пишу правильно потому что мне подсказывает нейросеть... В общем это инструмент, а не полноценная замена кого либо, у робота не получится озвучить с такой же интонацией и погрешностями (по крайней мере на сегодняшний день), ибо это делает нас людьми, и мы создадим что то, что нам поможет, просто поможет жить. Искусство. всё таки создавалось людьми для людей, а рутину могут забрать себе машины.
I don't like ai, although it could be used like a tool instead of calling it your own. Pinterest is a tool to get an idea same can go for ai I think. So many artist have an idea in their head but dont see it anywhere since its their idea. So being able to generate is sounds cool but like the video said its from other artists so don't call it your own instead get some inspiration from it. The work wont be in your style plus i highly doubt it will look exactly like you want. When i think of ai i do get scared of posting my own work but im tired of letting ot stop me from doing something that gives me peace. So Im trying to find a way to not be scared lol. This is just my thoughts though please don't get offended.
Edit: again thisbis my thoughts I'm not planning on using ai but using it as concept instead of putting it in your work manga or comic. Selling it as yours is not okay using it in general either but I can see it can be useful for concepts not using the whole art but to get an idea from it.
Im not all for Ai nor do i hate it.
I just wish if content creators like mangaka, and gaming companies at the very least disclose the fact they used ai
There’s probably going to be more regulatory laws and policies surrounding AI in the years to come so it’s possible that governments would require the disclosure of AI use.
Maybe, due to health issues, deadlines and demands of the companies. I'm graphic novelist too but health is always my priority especially my hands. I can't afford to lost my hands. But I don't want the AI to take me entirely. I just want it to manage my layers and postures. But beyond those features, it's a big no for me unless, there's a device which is connected to my head so that the AI app can link to my brain's imagination.If I get on that point, I will use my nephew as my model for the posture to avoid plagiarism. I'll just command him base on my ideal posture.
I've always felt art is subjective. People like what they like based on social values, personal values etc. So you'll always have people who want it handrawn, people who want it digital, and people who want ai art. All depends on people's values. It's society that needs to be fixed, so not everything is "every man for themselves" personality. Unfortunately that's likely a concept we probably won't see in our lifetime.
Ai will just be another tool people choose to use or not.
When ai art becomes common, real artists become a rarity. Law of Supply and Demand. Real artists can charge higher.
if there is ever a point in my lifetime when all the art, movies, and manga I see are 100% generated by AI I will stop consuming any and every sort of media created from that point onward, and will probably just do art privately. to any and all artists if you can't even bother to write and draw their own stories why even bother telling them to people. a story without any human input or feelings has no reason to exist it is just a timewaster
Midjourney has a seperate anime-specific AI art generator called Niji that you can switch to in the Settings. Niji is my main AI. Niji is much better than Midjourney on its own for manga/anime, especially for things like anthropomorphic characters, swords/weapons, and robots/power armor.
Humans: Make technology that betters all of mankind to a level that is so extreme it's almost incalculable.
Governments: Allow us to step in and regulate it into uselessness, just like us.
I really don't get why people are mad that humans maid technology that can create art, If you say it is because it is stealing art then i will till you is that it is more like inspirations because any work that changes on other works is not stealing. Additional you still need to be creative even if AI can make manga from what you describe it does not mean it is good after all art is only a part of the bigger picture. I just dont see how under cutting the AI ability will stop help artist what i would say if you want artist to have jobs you should not fight the AI but the greedy companies
I don't have to embrace AI if I don't want to. Just like I don't have to use clip studio paint.
Yeah, for sure. It’s a personal choice.
@@aphlearntodrawmanga So why did you say we have to embrace it at 7:00?
This whole video is a tutorial for destroying the manga industry…
If Mangaka really didn’t want to make manga they would become authors, but they aren’t. So this shouldn’t even exist. Stop promoting it I the first place
The point of the video is to inform. Watch until the end.
@@AloiseRisen I did and sure they did mention not to use this as a way to make your manga monetised but that’s not gonna stop anyone..
@@Wasurenagusa0I disagree. You're underestimate the power of an army of lawyers on the bankroll of corpos. That's who most of the dataset online belongs to. It's not viable.
@@AloiseRisen it gives me hope that one would disagree so easily. But no one would be able to detect Ai from real art in just a while. Just look at how much it has progressed already. So once they are unable to identify from fake and real, what will the lawyers defend/attack?
If there is a way to, maybe with a water mark, or like before-distorted limbs- It would be more realistic. Otherwise there is not a realistic way to keep anyone accountable
@@Wasurenagusa0 There's already an ai arms race occuring where people have tinted images to poison online AI datasets.
Never gonna pay for anything I can do at home for free.
Way to make your manga be worthless even of being pirated.
Ai can be used as reference but Don't think it will overcome and over take to the artist .
Yup, absolutely!
AI should not be used, unless it's being used for ideas and not the actual art aspect.
At this rate AI will do everything, Ai will run businesses and live your life for you... human beings don't get what moderation is. A little is fine but when it gets abused oh boy...
its going to be like that pixar movie walle
yesh you dont have to worry about working out, ai will do it for you, or if you wanna get the ladies, ai will do that too 🤣
@@ramadan7900 true
Moderation in?
@IDontKnowYoublablah i was being sarcastic 😒
18:57
people already did
True. We still don't have any laws around this but with the Hiroshima AI Process Comprehensive Policy Framework as a stepping stone, we'll probably see more legal regulations and guidelines on AI usage rolling out.
can you make a video that shows how to use Dall-E 3 pleas 🙏
never use AI to make an entire manga, it's not right, only use it for grammar issues (not recommended) and references
Thanks for the video, on my experience I used AI two years ago as I wanted to rebirth the obsesion I had with the ideas on my mind about mangas, I was completely disillusioned with the tutors I had had either because they lacked the experience to teach me or because they simply didn't want to know about drawing manga, in desperation I learned to use the AI tools that were accessible.
At that time AI was neither as cheap nor as accessible as a pencil and paper, most were monthly services and those that were desktop programs required very powerful machines, that did not give me satisfaction.
...Although, I was finally able to see one of my ideas with one of its ideal forms, a guide of what I wanted, that was enough to light my flame and I started drawing again, not in AI, taking references from what I was doing and studying how It was done by the machine.
So at one point I found terrible pitfalls, the AI is bad at making multiple characters, it is bad at having continuity of content, since it is trained with millions of variables it is not capable of selecting and separating content to illustrate, it is not good at illustrating combats, it's not good at drawing action scenes, and the text AIs generated writing are so repetitive that it put mine to shame.
One day I understood that I didn't just want to illustrate, I didn't just want to write, I wanted to make manga, I wanted to make images in the style that I adored and how I adored them, I wanted to be able to draw what I wanted without fearing that if I didn't have the tool then it wouldn't be nothing and no one, I wanted to make my characters under my principles and see if they were good or bad, but they would be mine because I would have drawn them from my imagination, using references, yes, applying every piece of knowledge that I obtained throughout my life, my desires and my little ability.
Manga, I want to make manga, my manga, it will be what it has to be, but it will be mine.
I have no doubt that AIs can be incredible tools that in the future will be able to simplify the lives of artists and storytellers, and that artists with greater knowledge, experience and youth than me will be able to do things that I can barely fantasize about creating.
But none of those things will be mine, at that point I stopped using AI and resumed my learning with all the good things and their difficulties.
With a lot of effort these years I went from hating my job to a slow descent into madness, where I say to myself sometimes "I must be crazy, because I like this piece", I went from crying all the time inside when I finished an illustration and hating it, to appreciate some it and see it again, and dream again that one day... maybe... the ideas that haunt me will rest in form and I will see them, and I will continue on my path.
I am not against those who use AI, I believe precisely what they say in their video that it is a tool that one day will make life better for those who love the profession of mangaka or animator, but my obsession does not let me rest, It doesn't allows me just to sit down and write a prompt and console myself with what a couple of algorithms it gave me, no... I can´t be optimistic about my work at my age, but I also cannot accept drawings that I did not make.
Thanks for the recommendations, I hope they help someone with a less twisted mind, and if I can I will try some of the things you mention, I use a lot of IA for translation, because I'm very bad on langguage, that is another use that it help me those days. =)
I totally understand the feeling; the characters written by you just feel...more authentic. Would love to see your work whenever!
Please can you take about "pro Yuri Manga artists."
"AI will democratize art for people like me!"
"Like who?"
" *sigh* ...LAZY PEOPLE"
I think it doesn't work cause manga is more like art cause i love soul eater but i do cause the artist now there fire force one peice wouldn't be as popular without the life long writing manga when someone can write and draw it one person or small small team it works.like spawn was popular comic until todd stop putting in his own writing and drawinf so yah idk
Very good video with a constructive and thoughtful analysis, finally a video which talks about AI and which does not say "AI is rubbish and it's not art and that's all", of course machines We will never replace humans to create entertainment like manga, so we must not be afraid of evolution.
Do the AIs ban the generation of sexy scenes?
Yup😢
The mainstream generators one do, however there are models and LoRA's out there that would generate them.
I might disagree with you when you said AI as tool. For me, AI is already an artist. Why? Because of this concept.
1. Clients ask artists to do their request. The artist will do it. If they didn't like it and give an insight, he/she will change it accordingly.
2. Prompters ask AI to do their request. It will do it. If they didn't like it and give an input, it will change it accordingly.
Same thing right?
However, I can get behind the AI as a thumbnail creator for a concept art and character designs. After you choose the thumbnail, draw them yourself.
My next point is, why not use the AI in a scientific research?
Take Dall-E and change its dataset into earth topography data from radar. Let the AI recreate earth surface only by radar data, without any photograph reference. If accurate, we can land a space probe under thick cloud of a distant planet. Cool, isn't it
I have nothing against A.I. being used as a tool to AID already skilled artists. My issue is that it's mainly being used by lazy, unskilled hacks that have no interest in learning how to draw and are just using A.I. as a workaround.