Sugar Cane Mill Restoration: Pouring Babbitt Bearings on the Cane Mill Rollers
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- Sugar Cane Mill Restoration: Pouring Babbitt Bearings on the Cane Mill Rollers
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l have pours some babbitt bearing back about 69 years ago.....Thanks Keith....
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Good morning Keith from the UK, always satisfying watching you cast fresh babbitt bearings with a cup of coffee 🙂☕
When he talks about having the babbitt leak and having to redo it, to his credit it's happened while filming and as frustrated as he got he included it in the video as a teaching moment. He's really a good guy.
@@flat-earther I wouldn't have to watch anything to know a planet is not a globe.
@@flat-earther I think you should talk to a doctor, not some random person on the internet. I think something might be wrong with you. Please get help.
@@flat-earther what's a globe proof?
@@flat-earther the curvature of a lake would be immeasurable unless it was HUGE. What about sending satellites out into space and having them take pictures we can use to measure the curvature?
@@flat-earther I don't understand what the point would be measuring the curvature--you can just look it up
Just seeing those cane mills makes my mouth water. I can remember as a kid cane time on the grandparents farm. Cane syrup was in everything sweet. It took a lot of work to get a few jars of syrup. As for the kids it was the most important harvest of the year, well not counting watermelon and cantaloupe. Thanks for sharing.
I remember drinking cane juice as a kid... they still sell cane juice in Taiwan,
I always heard about people who knew how to pour babbit bearings, now I know what they were talking about. Many older machines had these type of bearing, and those same old timers thought they were better than modern roller bearings.
Aaaaand, Keith pours more bearings in one day than most of will ever do in a lifetime.
It never gets old.
When I was a kid in the 60's, I watched my neighbor, who was in high school, pour babbitt bearings with his father's supervision. They were mechanical geniuses and I was fascinated and never forgot that specticle! I remember them saying after they successfully poured a pair that the hard part is done. And I'd never seen or heard of that procedure again so thanks! It all looked familiar a half a century on!
I just love the color of fresh clean babbitt. It always looks so nice poured into the bearing shells. I've not done this in probably thirty years, but it's beautiful when it pours right. My first commercial lathe had babbitt bearings, and they are restored so easily. Anti-friction bearings are useful, but the old ways are forever rebuildable, something I miss these days. The old machinery was built for forever. Thanks, been a while since I've seen or done this.
@@flat-earther "the earth is not a globe"! Sir, .....I am now sure that you are high!
@@flat-earther You clearly won the interwebz congratulations
Nothing any better than fresh made sugar cane syrup on a hot buttered biscuit with a hot cup of coffee on a cold winter morning!
@@flat-earther I think I’ll pass on the flat earth series.
I’ve been watching since you’ve restored the J.A. Vance planer including pressing out that stubborn shaft and repaired that broken gear teeth, and i never get tired of watching babbitt pours.
Thanks Keith for the demonstration on the bearings. Shiny new metal is always a pleasure to view. I'll watch for your assembly video.
I own three early 1920’s vintage hydroelectric turbines. They all use babbitt on their vertical guide bearings. The rotors are supported with a Kingsbury thrust bearing. I have had most of them re-bappetted while doing upgrades and improvements. These units run 24-7 seven to eight months on an average year and we temperature monitor the bearings with shut down on over temperature. This never happens and the 100 year old units just keep generating power.
Old Kingsbury thrust bearing are good bearings, keep them flooded with oil and they will run forever.You can put a lot of thrust on then,the Navy used them for thrust bearing on the prop shaft.
@@flat-earther Sir, .....are you high?
@@flat-earther the joys of the internet, clicking on a fascinating comment to find your reply.
Most unexpected thanks for the entertainment.
@@flat-earther Unscientific
@@flat-earther reported you again
About four years more than the lead based Babbitt on a slightly bigger sized shaft. A friend of mine restored a small steam display engine for a local museum and he took the opportunity to test one side with lead and one side with tin.
Keith, love your vids and your teaching style narrative. This was a great video but afterwards I asked my wife to make me a homemade pie. All that dough rolling you did inspired me. 😊
Thanks Keith, it always amazes me when I think that most modern engines main bearings are more or less a version of a babbitt bearing, just premade to size.
Always fun to watch you pour Babbit. Thanks very much for sharing.
Great job! Would love to see videos of these mills in action.
As a child, I watched my Dad pour babbitt bearings for an auto engine. Great Video!
Thoroughly enjoyed watching your video, top job 👍. Regards from Down Under.
Waiting for the reassembly video. I’ve probably seen it before, but seeing how the bearing shells are adjusted should be interesting. (As near as I can tell the shafts were positioned in the shell by eye.)
My family's company designs and builds specialised commercial vehicles of all types,one of the pumping set ups they build uses Archimedes screw type pumps running in Babbitt bearings,the accuracy of the screw in the cylinder absolutely critical for efficiency and durability,my father and his father before him have poured and set thousands by eye over the years,I've seen 30 and 40 years old pumps come back where the screws are completely eroded by constant use and the battering of pebbles but show no signs of interacting with the surface of the cylinder.
A GOD GIVEN SKILL WELL DONE
Keith, Babbitt forming is almost a lost art. Yet it is a very reliable repeatable bearing surface. Keep sharing this technique.
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Would love to see a video of these actual cain mills in use when they go back to the users.
It is very satisfying for you (and us viewers) to rescue/restore this old equipment.
Inherently slightly messy! :-) Like cooking.
I have noticed your Babbitt bearings are getting better.Practice makes perfect.Good job
I was happy to see the pouring of babbitt bearings. have seen them already made but not the process. Thanks.
Fantastic!!
Haven’t had time to watch all of the video Stil cleaning up after the storm
Always enjoy the Babbitt pouring Keith.
As always... Great content and fabulous job on the editing to keep it interesting.
Thank you for sharing your time and many talents!
This will be a useful educational video for years to come.
I'd really like to see one of these cane mills in use,thanks for the video🤗😎🤗😎
Few English Majors understand why Sinclair Lewis named his protagonist "Babbitt".
Keith, you are a man of many talents.
KEITH, GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO...
Thanks
Got a band saw or three to do soon
and seeing the process repeated always helps
I think you said that the mill operates with the shafts vertical. The bearings you poured seem to be designed to take side load only. You didn't take care to face the ends of the shafts and even the closed bearing carriers only had a half-disc of Babbitt on the bottom. The big roller doesn't even have that. What supports the weight of the rollers?
Mr Rucker try to get a video of it being used. That would be cool.
Saw these links in the comments of one of the previous videos, with horse walking the circle and feeding the cane stalks in.
I only watched because I couldn't figure out why the main shafts had a plate attached but canted at an odd angle (so the pole that slopes down to the horse harness doesn't wack anyone in the head on the opposite side)
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@@flat-earther 99% of mine does. The AI can go to hell.
Babbitt in a half-shell, Rucker power!
Keith-I am Hoping you’ll do a video of one of the repaired cane mills in action.
Dang, I was 7th today. Another interesting video. Thanks Keith.
Thank you for sharing.👍👀
21:08 excellent work! You've become a master at this.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for all that you share. I never miss a video. Just a suggestion, I noticed that the Mold-Pac gets a bit sticky after you pour the babbitt. Perhaps a pre heat of the Mold-Pac would help to shape it and keep it in place a bit better. Maybe it helps, maybe not, just a thought. Thanks again.
Babbitt bearings are so cool.doesnt get as much credit as it deserves.like slab milling
When you were a kid, did you ever think you'd get paid to play with putty? Lol I always love watching you pour babbitt.
When I was a kid, I'd always hoped so! Really enjoy these videos "looking back". I'm retired now, but still enjoying!
Good
Nice that you pointed out that you are using a tin based babbitt
Nice work Keith, good video
nice
WOW! Crankin em out today!! Nice.
Another great job!
Dam it Keith 😜
As I understand it the word "babbitt" refers to a person who conforms to common standards; also someone who is kind of frugal (a.k.a. cheap). My Grandma's maiden name was Babbitt and it applied to her. Thanks for this video.
Good Job.
The Deacon damming material works great. I've found that if you get it too hot with preheat it tends to pull away from the metal .
Cant wait
modelling clay, will take the heat, and easy to work with.
Not near.
babbitt recipe similar to linotype metal. I know they both have some tin and antimony, makes it a little harder than pure lead. Pure lead is too soft for bearings....or cast bullets! Nice video, thanks
Keith**if you could find time to make us a short tour video of the museum would be good for all your viewers. thanks ***DR KEL
A clever technique. One question though. The bearing cups have to align precisely with the seat in the machine where they connect to. How can you be sure that the bearings are in the correct alignment so that when assembled they don't bind up?
They don't. They float in the housing with an adjustment bolt. If you want to see how bearing which do require exacting alignment, he has other videos on that.
@@Bottleworksnet Thanks! I thought the same Q, AND I was wondering how those dimples would be used in mounting. I will definitely look up older vids. Personally I'd prefer something vaguely more precise. For example if a bearing is designed to be 1/4" thick, then 2x 1/4" dowels could set the spacing and alignment within a few 0.01 with no time or effort spent. I was overruled at the Industrial Revolution Convention, oh well.
Enjoyed watching and learning! I got a #2 golden that needs bearings do you have a link for putty and babbitt materials? Thanks
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Damming material fails to properly dam the babbit. Therefore the old term "Not worth a tinker's dam" is probably where that term came from.
A helpful comment. I hope.
Wonderful video, thanks! I have one question about the 'cup' bearings. Couldn't you have poured them like all of the others with just a little dam on the back side and then a thin bead between the roller and the bearing cap? Looks like the little hole in the top would be perfect for pouring it in.
Does the running clearance come from shrinkage when it cools?
On the bottom bearing cup. Is there not a pouring hole opposite the camera? It looks like you could pour around the shaft into the lower part of the bearing assuming the hole is pointing up.
How many of these have you done? I'll bet Keith knows if there is a "pouring hole"!
Nice dam job... 🙂
What's the story with the rusty milling vise, on the bench behind you?
Is it an upcoming project?
How long would a bearing like that last before it needs another pour?
Question on the lower Cup bearings do they also work as thrust bearings if so why not pour the whole bottom instead of only half? As always enjoyed watching
I was thinking the same thing.
Can bronze bearings be poured ?
The angle improves around 7:00.
Should both of those bearing caps have been located relative to one another before the pour?
Is this the cane roller bearing channel?
In the background, those look like the wheels from a Jos. O. Colladay 36" Bandsaw. Am I right?
No, I guess not!
Isn't there a pouring hole in the last two bearing? So that you can use the real shaft but have it positioned horizontally?
What do you think? No.....or he would have used it. He has done a bunch of these. I believe he knows how it is done!
@@paulcopeland9035 I have overlooked things in my professional life, you too probably., and Keith has as well. There is a hole in the bearing house which seems useable as a pouring hole. So I don't see how you can dismiss this as a distinct possibility. I'd be interested to know what his 'take' is on this point.
I know he's done a bunch of these babbit bearings and they've all been slightly different. But I do think that hole is there for a reason. What do you think?
Is that material used to dam up the babbitt re-usable?
Did you watch the video?
You may have answered this in a previous video, but if not, how often do you need to replace babbit bearings? Is this an an annual thing or can you get many years out of a bearing?
The alignment of the bearing housings is not so important?
Noticed that second small roller had what looked like a crack @ ~~ 15:00 Is it worth repairing it?
I'm curious. probably the camera angle, but the cups etc do not look centered. How critical is it to center before pouring? or is it not something to worry about?
Not to worry. The babbitt pours to the shaft position. The shaft could be off a 1/4in and it would not make any alignment issue. The bearing would certainly be weaker in the thin spot, but the alignment would remain true.
Very interesting. Why can't you pour the cup bearings on their side, through the hole that is opposite to the bearing half?
I think that way you’d be pouring a full bearing when only a half bearing is needed.
@@ellieprice363 Why? You'd only pour in enough to fill the lower side. If you slightly over-filled it wouldn't matter.
@@RicktheRecorder yes. I’m sure that’s how it was probably done in the past. I don’t think turning a plug would have been possible on the farm. But pouring Babbitt would have been.
@@erics7712 Yes. I can't see a purpose to the opposing hole unless for that function.
Question Keith: Do theses bearings get oil grooves?
Interestingly it really wouldn't have mattered for you--the end user--if the clay-like dam material had been made with asbestos. The fibres would have been very thoroughly immobilised. It is only when the tiny silicate shards are suspended in the air and then breathed in that asbestos causes a problem. However... The men who _made_ the 'Babbitrite' would have had more of an issue!
Another interesting thing about asbestos is the problems with mesothelioma primarily occurred around the type called crocidolite or 'blue asbestos'. There are some who say the other varieties are perfectly safe. In fact a quick search on 'Babbitrite' shows that it was made from ~50% chrysotile which is one of the 'safer' varieties. Moreover I know several people who actively seek out things like vintage heat blankets and fireproof mats that contain asbestos because they say nothing that is made today is as good as the old asbestos items. Likely those chaps would scour the stores of suppliers looking for the original 'Babbitrite' formulation!
At the end of the day it is up to the individual. As with all moral panics there is often a kernel of truth hidden behind a mountain of alarmism. That said; likely tens of thousands of men who were primarily employed in the manufacturing of asbestos-containing materials died from mesothelioma. It is an *horrific* way to go and not something to treat lightly.
Pouring the bearing is easy its cutting the oil grooves is the biggest problem. This is what gives the bearing it life. I have poured thousands of them anyone can pour one.
Great video Keith, I wasn't looking forward to preheating and damming on all the pours, but you skipped right to the interesting part. Very cool. Question: Do the "cup" bearings have a drain hole or something to let rainwater (or cane juice) out? I didn't see one, and that sounds like a recipe for major corrosion. Thanks!
Hence the pitting on the shafts and rebuilding in previous video
Asbestos is basically inert ( I.E. is not harmful to humans or other animals when encapsulated or otherwise not in a dust/powered form that when aerosolized can be inhaled. Therefore Babbitt damming material that are in the form of a putty should not pose any health hazard to the uses as long as the user washes his or her hands after using it.
Since there is no way to confirm or guarantee that _all_ of it will always remain encapsulated, the risk in using it for anything will never be zero.
Best practice is to simply avoid it altogether. Material science has progressed enough that it's use is now entirely unnecessary anyway so no harm, no foul.
@@BigRalphSmith I did mechanical demolition for 10 years, and even with encapsulation, there always some little area that seems to have been missed. The contractors we subbed with were responsible for the abatement of asbestos, but on a rare occasion, we were instructed to soak it down thoroughly, glove up, and put the materials in the special trash bags, and the contractor would take it to the disposal container.
There is always a chance of risk.
@@flat-earther You seem to really eat up the pseudoscience crap. Now all we need to determine is whether you do so because you are a misanthrope or because you are a religious extremist.
@@flat-earther "Globe proof"? LOL! Classic! Who's trying to "prove" anything?
The comment isn't visible because it contains the word "crap". That's why this one will also not be visible.🤣
@@flat-earther Oh, look at that. The quotes kept it up. Good to know.
Will the sugarcane press be used commercially or just for demonstrations?
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If there's even a chance of getting bearing dust in to the food product, why use lead in the bearing? 😩
Edit: At one point you say there's lead in them, then you say you use a non-lead version. So that's were my confusion came from.
Did he say wabbit?
I've had people ask why babbitt bearings were no longer used and I tell them it's too labor intensive and pretty much limited to slow turning shafts.
Lol, it's because of the included lead in the alloy, which made most Yanks sick. Maybe the US soldiers, who are still following an old'n sick kiddy fiddler, now whoring around in the Ukraine, after they fled from Afghanistan? These assholes are not wanted anymore,
either in Middle East, nor in Europe.
@@flat-earther Please stop this nonsense! What do you gain from this ignorant comment? Are you selling this 13 part series and think this is a good place to peddle it? You need to go away and "dry out" somewhere!
Leaded Babbitt on foodstuff is just nasty, btw
Good, that you used tin based stuff.
Maybe get it so it's not rolling all over the table...before you start..?
That was 'pour-fect'... 🙂