So far the main "unfinished" question I keep reading about is that the bridge roof wasn't completed. I honestly never heard that, but I can understand the origin. The roof was planked and painted grey, which was the case for several rooms on the Boat Deck (the Officers' Mess and pantry, the Engineers' Smokeroom, the kennels, and 2nd class elevator machinery room.) It was sealed in a way, I would need to look it up or ask Kyle Hudak, that made it watertight, but did not require the use of steel. Some of this roofing survives to this day on the 2nd class elevator roof.
Here’s a question I’ve been dying to know did the Olympic class ships have a indication watertight door panel like in “a night to remember, titanic (1953) and titanic (1997) I’ve tried to find info but I couldn’t
@@hugoslr If that is the case, it would have been only to indicate the watertight doors had received the command to close, since some of the doors on Britannic did not close properly, and the bridge did not know so until inspections were carried out.
I'm with you on that as well! Especially fascinating is the fact that as all the flooding was happening the system stayed stable and functional (or so my understanding is.) It's quite impressive that she was "alive" power wise pretty much right until the breakup.
I found out a while back that the clocks aboard the Titanic were all electric, and synchronized. I thought that was really cool. That would've been pretty high tech for its time.
I forget if the master clock was electric or not, but the way it worked was pretty straightforward. When the master clock hit a certain point in time, it would send an electrical pulse that would activate the other clocks and pushed them forward the same amount. In turn, that meant when setting the clock back, these pulses were deactivated, and it would take however long for the master clock to make the difference between it and the slave clocks and actually start telling time again.
"If this were true." I am chuckling out loud. You know, I know a great deal about the Titanic, but I defer to people like you who have done much much more research than me. I'd never heard the clock story before. There's always something new to learn.
I’m very late to the comment party on all these videos, but enjoying them. One thing Titanic should’ve had, and I don’t know why didn’t, were extremely bright headlights. In 1912 surely they had extremely bright electric lamps that could be mounted on the bow. Maybe that would’ve helped spot the iceberg. Speaking of bergs, the “objects in mirror are closer than they appear” with the iceberg imposed upon honor and glory was hilarious. Poor Olympic, she unwittingly contributed to the death of her sister. No Olympic accident, Titanic sails in March, fairly high chance no iceberg collision.
Ships don’t have headlights for the same reason you don’t turn on the lights in your car; light pollution messes with the human eye’s perception in darkness. In fact, they specifically ordered all the forward-facing lights on the superstructure turned off for this very reason. Otherwise, the lookouts’ vision would be skewed.
Thomas Andrews was one of the best ship builders of the time he knew the ins and outs of the Titanic so i don't think he would miss any detail of the ship.
Well, you know how it is. The _best_ deflector shields at the time came from _New York;_ the best Harland & Wolff could get back home just couldn't compare. The plan was to pick them up in New York, but installing British ones just for one run and then replacing them for the good ones just wasn't cost effective, so, well, they _thought_ they could go _without_ for _"just one_ voyage", and...
If only the ship’s transporters had been installed! They all could have been “beamed” to safety. And Jack Dawson could have married Rose. But no! Next Tuesday......
@@Anastas1786 Well you know profits and budgets and that. always getting in the way, i heard that New York defector is overrated anyway, poor Lusitania had one installed RIP those on aboard.
Yaknow on a real note, It woulda probably been handy to include a light of some sort in the crows nest. Like a spotlight, perhaps the iceberg could have been spotted in time
Agreed. While I loved _Time and Again,_ the authors took the document down to publish into a book, and a visual component would certainly help folks understand what was going on as far as clocks were concerned.
It's a fact the SS Normandie set out on her maiden voyage with full work crews to complete the elaborate decor of certain 1st class cabins. I'm not certain but seem to recall plumbers continued to install sinks on Queen Mary's first crossing. I haven't heard about late work on Titanic, but it wouldn't be shocking: When you consider how much work and material and objects were involved in fitting out the big express liners.
Hello to all future viewers of this comment, I hope you all stay safe and healthy in these difficult times. The quarantine is a great opportunity to find out more about Titanic.
Eventually, I hope to do a video all about Olympic's famous passengers- from aviators and authors, inventors and politicians. But indeed he sailed aboard Olympic.
I'd love to see a video concerning the ship that white star never got to build and I'm talking about the oceanic like the original Oceanic that only exist today and Concepts and paintings
I'd also love seeing the canceled Olympic (1900) Olympic was meant to be Oceanic's sister but Thomas Ismay died so they put the materials to Celtic and made more for the rest of the Big Four
I love this series. I was amazed by some of the pictures on this episode that I've never seen before. I was also excited about seeing the first class ladies reading and writing room from the game. ❤️ Amazing work guys!
These videos are really getting me through this Quarantine. I didn't realize that there were "different standards" of second class staterooms. I was under the impression they were all pretty much uniform since they were all pretty much the same price.
So interesting! Thank you. I was wondering, do you know how unfinished Olympic was on her maiden voyage, compared to Titanic? I've heard that apparently people back then preferred to avoid maiden voyages of ships as they're still ironing out the kinks.
I love your lessons, you guys are amazing!! Thanks for bringing us lots of Titanic's facts. Can't wait till next one! watching you always, regards from Argentina.
The one I hear a lot is the myth that the rudder was too small, being patterned off a clipper ship's rudder. Several naval architects have looked over the data from the sea trials and have confirmed exactly the opposite, it would pass modern standards quite handily.
The Olympic class were meant to steer with the rudder AND propellers, as Capt. Smith did when he jumped in alongside the pilot and avoided collision with the New York. Smith seemed to have done more of his "homework" than the pilot in this one respect.
@@Dallas_K That's pretty well true of most multi-screw vessels at low speed, when you're not going fast enough for the rudder to have full effect you use differential thrust from the propellers to manuever in tight spaces. Pilots have to contend with all sorts of ships in the course of their duties, so not being intimately familiar with a brand-new ship bigger than anything that's come before is understandable. Hence while the pilot is nominally in charge going in and out of port, the ship's master is still ultimately responsible for the ship, and can intervene if necessary. The main action in the New York incident was to ring down for full astern to check the Titanic's forward motion which was causing the undertow which was sucking the smaller ship away from her mooring. The quick thinking of the crew of the harbor tug Vulcan also helped, as her master swung her in between the two ships to fend off the New York and get a line on her to get the situation back under control.
My year 5 teacher said her great great aunt was on the Titanic but when at a port the Titanic and I quote "left with out her" even though I was young (and I was still learning a bunch about the Titanic) I surprisingly didn't believe her after a few days of thinking about it.
I would have to believe the Grand Staircase clock WAS installed. It was too important a piece of her decor to be left out for completion 'later'. BTW, I love the inclusion of a picture of an iceberg where the supposed "mirror" was. Nice amusing touch.
I would like to point out the story of the organ that was supposedly ordered by The White Star Line to be installed on Titanic. The organ was built by the German company Welte & Söhne. Supposedly the building of the organ was delayed and it was never installed. There is some circumstantial evidence supporting the claim, but unfortunately it is inconclusive. The 'Titanic organ' can be visited today in Germany at Bruchsal Palace. On the other hand, there is certainty around the organ on the Brittanic, also built by Welte & Söhne. It was installed, but removed when she became a hospital ship. The Brittanic organ survives to this day and can be visited in a museum in Seewen, Switzerland.
I knew she was unfinished, but I didn't know to what extent. THanks. Great job, again, Matt. Love the choice of Beethoven's Egmont Overture. I knew it was Beethoven, but I couldn't remember which piece it was. The abundant use of piccolo was a dead giveaway. :)
I was looking at that Francis Browne photograph of the side of the ship in Southampton (the one he took from the boarding entrance), and i noticed something interesting; some of the C deck porthole frames were painted white and others weren’t. Got any thoughts?
Thank you so much you've refreshed my interest that I had begun when I was about 8 years old and that was back in the 1970s I joined the Titanic historical society when I was still a child and then somehow I seem to find other interests but thank you you're very much Appreciated professional and thorough very exciting!
0:44 - Q: What could we learn about the strength of TITANIC's hull and various iceberg collision scenarios from the Olympic collision? The reason that I ask is that I cannot find any broken rivets from the collision -- which many people accredit as the cause of the actual breach. So: I wonder whether it was actually a scraping "gash" that broke the hull plating OR the bumping of the hull against the iceberg that saw rivets fail and plates dented resulting in water displacement.
I remember one at one point it was there was talk of comparing the iceberg to the pointed end of a nail. The part of the burg the struck the side basically put some much pressure on a single point as it passed that it popped the rivet heads off allowing water to seep through the seems of the plates. It's like a bed of nails. You can lay on a bed of nails and not get hurt, but is you lay on a single nail you get hurt. I can't remember if the 2012 Expedition retconned this or not.
It’s the behavior of metal: ie a riveted seam is not the same as welded seam. It doesn’t have the same flexibility so when stressed it can still be riveted yet no longer watertight
If you look at the photo of Olympic, you can see lots of holes where the rivets used to be. The steel plates themselves are intact for the large part, just deformed. The claim that Titanic's rivet heads broke off can be debunked by looking at across section. They were countersunk at both ends, so would still hold in place if the head broke off. The problem was, the iceberg was shock loading one plate but not the other, causing the plates to warp and the rivets holding them to the next to stretch and snap. This would open up a gap between the plates.
Another idea for future content was brought up in this video. Clocks, how they were all controlled and their importance onboard a ship. One off topic question I have is where were the controls for the whistles located?
Antonio Santos García I don’t think so. There was no champagne bottle smash when Titanic was launched. Many people also mistake the warning signals for fireworks used for an untold ceremony.
I couldn't help but notice the lack of doors for the boat deck cabins entrance in the grand staircase. It's quite distracting seeing the plain white panels amongst the rest of the ornate entrance. I notice too in later photos of the Olympic's GSC, there are doors installed here. I know, at least for the port side of the Olympic, there was no door for some time as this wall was adjacent to the Marconi Room....so.... were these doors a deliberate omission later adjusted on Olympic, or were they simply never installed in time?
+Jen Nettles There were no boat deck cabins originally on Olympic, the door on the starboard side led straight to the officer's quarters. Some staterooms on the boat deck were added just aft of the Grand Staircase during her late 1912-early 1913 refit.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical Yes I know that already. My question was in regards to the doors themselves, not the entrance-ways. If you look at the current GSC model on Honor & Glory, you can see the boat deck cabin entrances have no doors. I was asking if that was deliberate or a result of cutting corners.
@@jennettles5648 on Olympic there were sort of two doorways on each side, one just behind the other. The one going directly from the grand staircase to the cabins had no door, there was another doorway about 2 feet just forward of that one that did have a door which, based on plans, looks as though it could swing in either direction.
Once thete was a TH-camr who said the central propeller was not on the ship... I exploded. And there was a time he said the ships rudder did not work and that is why she crashed into the iceburg.
Were they retarded?? The ship would never have been sea worthy especially with out the rudder working. If the rudder wasnt working then how did Murdoch order the ship to turn?? Did they not understand what the fuction of it was?? Amazing that people can be so stupid.
So good, please make a video about the saver ship capthathia and the evil ship ss califonian i think you know what happened. The radio messeges, the mistakes and the scary ride to get to titanic
Californian wasnt evil. she cant do anything to help Titanic. She had cut her machines off for the night. Before she could sail to the sinking Titanic she need to start up her engines. Which means that she need to steam up for at least 2 hours before she could sail.... And the the Titanic was gone already.
I wouldn’t say Californian was evil, but their lack of curiosity about the rockets and negligence in waking the radio operator to check are difficult to excuse. If only Carpathia and Californian positions were exchanged that night, how different things might have been. I’ll always be on Team Carpathia.
We’ll never know for sure, and Carpathia didn’t arrive in time either - but she sure made the attempt, unlike a certain other ship. “We saw all the rockets, but just assumed they were having a kitten birthday party.” OK then…
I'm sure it was meant to be gray because there are photos of Olympic which show a grey roof on the bridge and they had 35 years to make it wooden but it was grey
True, unknowable, but from what I’ve heard had she sailed in March much less likely to have encountered large bergs in the position where she went down. I’m guessing none of them read the 1898 novel “Futility“ or would have avoided sailing in April.🙀 Ismay must have been unfamiliar or might have passed on Titanic as a name. Didn’t I read that the third ship was going to be called Gigantic but was changed to Britannic after the loss of Titanic because sounded too similar. Not certain, I could be confusing it with “Big Broadcast of 1938” movie that features a ship called the Gigantic. All I know is that given the unlikely series of unfortunate events it almost seems that Titanic was predestined to be lost. But I’ve watched several aviation disasters that are the same; a series of events, any which not happening, could have prevented the tragedy.
One of the things I've read every now and then is that wet paint on the pullies of the lifeboat davits caused them to bind up when some of the boats were being lowered. Additionally, will the missing paint on the spar be replicated on your digital model?
I greatly enjoy this series. I'd like to see a video on Britannic answering questions about her. I've heard rumors that much of the Grand Staircase was installed before she sank...is this true? Would she have had a clock like her sisters, or is the rumor of a painting instead of a clock correct?
1:06 if only this picture was taken at just a different angle it would clearly show that Titanic is on the right with still an open promenade deck. because most people think Titanic is on the left
Apologies if a video has been made along this idea but I’d like to see a video about how titanic came to be, as in who came up with the idea of the olympic class and then harland and wolff and obviously then her building and voyage, Id love to find out titanic and olympics origins. *Please?*
I know a bit of that. 1880's two ships are planned. Oceanic and it's sister Olympic. Thomas Ismay dies but Oceanic is already being built. Olympic however was never built yet so they canceled it. Olympic's remaining parts went to a new class called "The Big Four". After the Big Four, White Star want to reclaim the title of "Biggest Ship" on a ship. They think of a gigantic liner and resurrect the name "Olympic". That's why RMS Olympic was called RMS Olympic.
You asked this two years ago, so probably have already found the answer, but there’s a video that reenacts a dinner between Bruce Ismay and Lord Pierre (spelling?) of Harland & Wolff in which they devised the idea of the three large sister ships.
I remember reading that Thomas Andrews decided during the voyage to have the colour of the wicker Café Parisien changed to green. Which of course was never completed. I'm not sure if this is true?
Hi, new viewer here, could you do a video on how they painted the Olympic class ships? Those pictures of the men painting were really neat and I'd like to know more
So the ship would get modifyed just after her first voyage if she didn't sink if I understand correctly right? Also what model do you reccomand beside the honor and glory and trumpeter one? (I'll do my titanic as fully finnish what if) and something that would be intersting to do a "what if the titanic survived as long as the olympic"? (for me 2 scenario : either become a HMT like the olympic or an hospital ship like the britannic)
Every first voyage of ships have some issues, its a completely normal phenomenon, and not working vents are not great but not terrible either. By the way, at 5:24 which ship galley is that? It reminds me of the Oceanic, but im unsure
White Star Line - Was the Line that tried to deliver but its was always embroiled in their own incompetence.The French Line was a real contender with Cunard. Not White Star
Question: the nameplate on the bow of Titanic, are they seperate plates on the hull? i always thought it was painted on, but since the letters are black during outfitting it made me wonder
Do you know why the gold stripe on Titanic separated the black hull and white superstructure while seemingly all other White Star Line ships had the gold stripe sitting lower on the hull? Olympic had the stripe in the middle early in her career but it was lowered later on. Was this due to the Titanic sinking?
@Garrett green It wasn't always the case as other WSL ships had their gold bands seperating the superstrcuture and hull. RMS Oceanic (1899) is a good example of that.
Watching your videos I'm now curious, in the film Titanic Jack wins his ticket on the ship through a game of poker. Would he have been allowed on the ship having not gone through any of the checks?
Apparently it was the rivets in the bow section, which couldn’t be installed using machinery, which failed. Apparently Olympic was fortunate that she never collided with anything in her bow area. The unexploded torpedo hit her mid ship, I think.
It's unfortunate that nobody at Harland & Wolf had the foresight to equip the Titanic with any of the iceberg detection systems that were avalible in 1911. Even the S.S. Great Eastern had a similar system aboard when she crossed the North Atlantic for the first time.
Woff* Also SS Great Eastern was the first ever ship to have a double hull. And it was extremely unlikely that an Iceberg would hit more than 4 compartments
One suggestion, for future videos: The music in the background is a little too loud, and distracts one from your voice. I would suggest either quieting it, choosing a selection a little less... cacaphonous, or even omitting it entirely. The information alone is enough. =) Anyway, keep up the great work! We all appreciate it.
Albert Benajam / At the USA Senate hearings that were chaired by Sen, Smith; there were 2'd Class passengers who said that some bathroom /WC fixtures were in Boxes and never installed, Also mention of other things in 2'd class, like steam cabin heat not O.K.
Lusitania was torpedoed at 2:12pm. Cunard's engine room and crew shifts ran on Royal Navy Shifts so the 2:00 crew was being replaced. The torpedo also hit one of her boiler rooms and either caused a coal dust explosion or blew up one of the boilers. The ship lost all electrical power so the watertight doors could not be closed and the fact that she had longitudinal bulkheads that could be used for ballast and extra padding if used as a cruiser, once they filled with water they caused the ship to lean further starboard and rendered the port side lifeboats practically useless. Essentially the crew of the U-20 hit her at the right time in the right place.
Even though their was a coal fire on Titanic, White Star couldn't afford to delay the maiden voyage, so they kept it a secret and Titanic departed as scheduled
Do you guys know the brand of clocks on the ship? you mentioned the magneta system for the slave clocks, as far as i can see that was also a brand unless i´m missunderstanding. However how about mechanical clocks in rooms? Do you have info on those? I´ll be interested to know and research the brands !.
Okay the lady whose cell was too cold...was this the same lady called for questioning before the US inquiry? She was still focused on the poor service she received and was seemingly oblivious to the sinking and subsequent mass deaths.
So far the main "unfinished" question I keep reading about is that the bridge roof wasn't completed. I honestly never heard that, but I can understand the origin. The roof was planked and painted grey, which was the case for several rooms on the Boat Deck (the Officers' Mess and pantry, the Engineers' Smokeroom, the kennels, and 2nd class elevator machinery room.) It was sealed in a way, I would need to look it up or ask Kyle Hudak, that made it watertight, but did not require the use of steel. Some of this roofing survives to this day on the 2nd class elevator roof.
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Here’s a question I’ve been dying to know did the Olympic class ships have a indication watertight door panel like in “a night to remember, titanic (1953) and titanic (1997) I’ve tried to find info but I couldn’t
@@CalfoxThefoxOfficial not until later, i think britannic and Olympic post-1913 had one but i'm not sure.
I understand you what to give an answer but I want to hear from matt
@@hugoslr If that is the case, it would have been only to indicate the watertight doors had received the command to close, since some of the doors on Britannic did not close properly, and the bridge did not know so until inspections were carried out.
I would like to see an episode on the electrical system of Titanic and how the electrician's onboard kept the power going until the last moment.
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None of the engineers have survived, so... hard to tell?
I'm with you on that as well! Especially fascinating is the fact that as all the flooding was happening the system stayed stable and functional (or so my understanding is.) It's quite impressive that she was "alive" power wise pretty much right until the breakup.
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@@thethinks Dead men tell no tales. This is just dramatization that has some errors to begin with. We'll never what really happened.
I found out a while back that the clocks aboard the Titanic were all electric, and synchronized. I thought that was really cool. That would've been pretty high tech for its time.
I forget if the master clock was electric or not, but the way it worked was pretty straightforward. When the master clock hit a certain point in time, it would send an electrical pulse that would activate the other clocks and pushed them forward the same amount.
In turn, that meant when setting the clock back, these pulses were deactivated, and it would take however long for the master clock to make the difference between it and the slave clocks and actually start telling time again.
Rosetta Foster why did they have to turn them back?
@@AndyHappyGuy Because on a transatlantic voyage spanning several days, people want the noon of the Sun to match the noon of the clocks
@@AndyHappyGuy www.cruisehabit.com/time-standing-still-do-you-change-your-clocks-you-travel-cruise-ship
@@flametitan100 oh ok
"My cabins cold!"
"That's cold?"
First world problems.
I imagine it was far more cold on the early morning of April 15th 1912.
@@Jermster_91 That's true.
worlds first karen
"How Cold?"
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Beat me to it
I would love to see the topic of Titanic's ventilation covered as an episode .Thanks for another great episode .
yeah that's what i would want too! :p
well hidy ho! i got some news for u two!! :)
On another note, nice that you put in the Shellys and their ever cold rooms.
"If this were true." I am chuckling out loud.
You know, I know a great deal about the Titanic, but I defer to people like you who have done much much more research than me. I'd never heard the clock story before. There's always something new to learn.
6:20 lol good one
a normal commentor fancy seeing you here
@@DiamondarBoss hi
I’m very late to the comment party on all these videos, but enjoying them. One thing Titanic should’ve had, and I don’t know why didn’t, were extremely bright headlights. In 1912 surely they had extremely bright electric lamps that could be mounted on the bow. Maybe that would’ve helped spot the iceberg. Speaking of bergs, the “objects in mirror are closer than they appear” with the iceberg imposed upon honor and glory was hilarious. Poor Olympic, she unwittingly contributed to the death of her sister. No Olympic accident, Titanic sails in March, fairly high chance no iceberg collision.
Ships don’t have headlights for the same reason you don’t turn on the lights in your car; light pollution messes with the human eye’s perception in darkness.
In fact, they specifically ordered all the forward-facing lights on the superstructure turned off for this very reason. Otherwise, the lookouts’ vision would be skewed.
Thomas Andrews was one of the best ship builders of the time he knew the ins and outs of the Titanic so i don't think he would miss any detail of the ship.
We need MORE! This series is ultra cool! would be a great feature to implement that into the final game! 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
sadly the deflector shields and structural integrity array were also never installed 😋
There were to be installed in New York.
Well, you know how it is. The _best_ deflector shields at the time came from _New York;_ the best Harland & Wolff could get back home just couldn't compare. The plan was to pick them up in New York, but installing British ones just for one run and then replacing them for the good ones just wasn't cost effective, so, well, they _thought_ they could go _without_ for _"just one_ voyage", and...
If only the ship’s transporters had been installed! They all could have been “beamed” to safety. And Jack Dawson could have married Rose. But no! Next Tuesday......
@@Anastas1786 Well you know profits and budgets and that. always getting in the way, i heard that New York defector is overrated anyway, poor Lusitania had one installed RIP those on aboard.
Yaknow on a real note, It woulda probably been handy to include a light of some sort in the crows nest. Like a spotlight, perhaps the iceberg could have been spotted in time
Can you do a video about the clock system?
That is an amazing idea!
Agreed. While I loved _Time and Again,_ the authors took the document down to publish into a book, and a visual component would certainly help folks understand what was going on as far as clocks were concerned.
That would be very interesting
When I have the time.
@@TitanicUniversity Of course! No rush, and I'm sure you have other topics you'd like to cover before we get to the clocks.
It's a fact the SS Normandie set out on her maiden voyage with full work crews to complete the elaborate decor of certain 1st class cabins. I'm not certain but seem to recall plumbers continued to install sinks on Queen Mary's first crossing. I haven't heard about late work on Titanic, but it wouldn't be shocking: When you consider how much work and material and objects were involved in fitting out the big express liners.
Hello to all future viewers of this comment, I hope you all stay safe and healthy in these difficult times. The quarantine is a great opportunity to find out more about Titanic.
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@@anormalcommentor9452 hello, it is nice to see you on other Titanic related social media than Instagram.
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5:05 That guy is Josef Hofmann, the famous pianist and inventor. Didn't know he was an Olympic (?) passenger!
Eventually, I hope to do a video all about Olympic's famous passengers- from aviators and authors, inventors and politicians. But indeed he sailed aboard Olympic.
I'd love to see a video concerning the ship that white star never got to build and I'm talking about the oceanic like the original Oceanic that only exist today and Concepts and paintings
I'd also love seeing the canceled Olympic (1900) Olympic was meant to be Oceanic's sister but Thomas Ismay died so they put the materials to Celtic and made more for the rest of the Big Four
LOL "and FOUR stewards had to pick her up" your snark is brilliant.
I love this channel. Keep up the amazing work!
I love this series. I was amazed by some of the pictures on this episode that I've never seen before. I was also excited about seeing the first class ladies reading and writing room from the game. ❤️ Amazing work guys!
My impression is that the ceiling looked even batter than at the first reveal video.
They probably had a storage area filled with paint, varnish and wood and carpenters on board even when they were at sea.
Yeah, it was the two engineer’s workshop spaces on both sides of the engine room on G Deck.
These videos are really getting me through this Quarantine. I didn't realize that there were "different standards" of second class staterooms. I was under the impression they were all pretty much uniform since they were all pretty much the same price.
So interesting! Thank you. I was wondering, do you know how unfinished Olympic was on her maiden voyage, compared to Titanic? I've heard that apparently people back then preferred to avoid maiden voyages of ships as they're still ironing out the kinks.
DAMN the editing on this was lovely
I love your lessons, you guys are amazing!! Thanks for bringing us lots of Titanic's facts. Can't wait till next one! watching you always, regards from Argentina.
The one I hear a lot is the myth that the rudder was too small, being patterned off a clipper ship's rudder.
Several naval architects have looked over the data from the sea trials and have confirmed exactly the opposite, it would pass modern standards quite handily.
that’s why Britannic’s was never changed. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
The Olympic class were meant to steer with the rudder AND propellers, as Capt. Smith did when he jumped in alongside the pilot and avoided collision with the New York. Smith seemed to have done more of his "homework" than the pilot in this one respect.
@@Dallas_K
That's pretty well true of most multi-screw vessels at low speed, when you're not going fast enough for the rudder to have full effect you use differential thrust from the propellers to manuever in tight spaces.
Pilots have to contend with all sorts of ships in the course of their duties, so not being intimately familiar with a brand-new ship bigger than anything that's come before is understandable. Hence while the pilot is nominally in charge going in and out of port, the ship's master is still ultimately responsible for the ship, and can intervene if necessary.
The main action in the New York incident was to ring down for full astern to check the Titanic's forward motion which was causing the undertow which was sucking the smaller ship away from her mooring.
The quick thinking of the crew of the harbor tug Vulcan also helped, as her master swung her in between the two ships to fend off the New York and get a line on her to get the situation back under control.
My year 5 teacher said her great great aunt was on the Titanic but when at a port the Titanic and I quote "left with out her" even though I was young (and I was still learning a bunch about the Titanic) I surprisingly didn't believe her after a few days of thinking about it.
I would have to believe the Grand Staircase clock WAS installed. It was too important a piece of her decor to be left out for completion 'later'.
BTW, I love the inclusion of a picture of an iceberg where the supposed "mirror" was. Nice amusing touch.
I would like to point out the story of the organ that was supposedly ordered by The White Star Line to be installed on Titanic. The organ was built by the German company Welte & Söhne. Supposedly the building of the organ was delayed and it was never installed. There is some circumstantial evidence supporting the claim, but unfortunately it is inconclusive. The 'Titanic organ' can be visited today in Germany at Bruchsal Palace. On the other hand, there is certainty around the organ on the Brittanic, also built by Welte & Söhne. It was installed, but removed when she became a hospital ship. The Brittanic organ survives to this day and can be visited in a museum in Seewen, Switzerland.
This is actually pretty awesome. Never knew any of this.
Laughing stock of Poughkeepsie? I feel called out, Poughkeepsie NY is a 5 minute drive from my house
I knew she was unfinished, but I didn't know to what extent. THanks. Great job, again, Matt. Love the choice of Beethoven's Egmont Overture. I knew it was Beethoven, but I couldn't remember which piece it was. The abundant use of piccolo was a dead giveaway. :)
Thanks Terri :)
I was looking at that Francis Browne photograph of the side of the ship in Southampton (the one he took from the boarding entrance), and i noticed something interesting; some of the C deck porthole frames were painted white and others weren’t. Got any thoughts?
Nice inclusion of Beethoven! I gotta ask though, will you ever include Dvorak's 9th Symphony?
No, what about Salieri’s music?
@@puterboy2 Dvorak would work better for a New York segment in the game or a video on the white star and Cunard Piers
Handel, “Water Music”.
please make the videos more longer im addicted 😩😩😩😩😩
I believe that a table for the captains quarters was not installed and was found in Southampton years later
Master 123 Where’d you see/hear that?
4:46 Didn't know boris was that old.. 🤔🤔
Lol I thought the same thing
Let’s get the Great War done.
You are great. Please keep those videos coming!!! And yes the Olympic is a bad add ship
Omg I love hearing stories like this!
Please tell us more🖤
A 2 hour long video would be delightful lmao
Just don’t forget about the game!
I would like a video about how Titanic sank and how life boats were lowered and what happened to the crew in the boiler rooms and engine room
Thank you so much you've refreshed my interest that I had begun when I was about 8 years old and that was back in the 1970s I joined the Titanic historical society when I was still a child and then somehow I seem to find other interests but thank you you're very much Appreciated professional and thorough very exciting!
Another awesome video, thanks for sharing! Can’t wait for your next one!
Thanks for providing all of this information! I am fascinated by Titanic... in fact , I just ordered the book “Futility”!
Excellent video, keep em coming.
I've got one of those lamps from the turkish bath, i use it as a bedside table lamp.
Lol. You could say William Pirrie knew what he was doing... He certainly was the only one who knew about his dodgy accounting!
0:44 - Q: What could we learn about the strength of TITANIC's hull and various iceberg collision scenarios from the Olympic collision? The reason that I ask is that I cannot find any broken rivets from the collision -- which many people accredit as the cause of the actual breach. So: I wonder whether it was actually a scraping "gash" that broke the hull plating OR the bumping of the hull against the iceberg that saw rivets fail and plates dented resulting in water displacement.
I remember one at one point it was there was talk of comparing the iceberg to the pointed end of a nail. The part of the burg the struck the side basically put some much pressure on a single point as it passed that it popped the rivet heads off allowing water to seep through the seems of the plates. It's like a bed of nails. You can lay on a bed of nails and not get hurt, but is you lay on a single nail you get hurt. I can't remember if the 2012 Expedition retconned this or not.
It’s the behavior of metal: ie a riveted seam is not the same as welded seam. It doesn’t have the same flexibility so when stressed it can still be riveted yet no longer watertight
If you look at the photo of Olympic, you can see lots of holes where the rivets used to be. The steel plates themselves are intact for the large part, just deformed. The claim that Titanic's rivet heads broke off can be debunked by looking at across section. They were countersunk at both ends, so would still hold in place if the head broke off. The problem was, the iceberg was shock loading one plate but not the other, causing the plates to warp and the rivets holding them to the next to stretch and snap. This would open up a gap between the plates.
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Great Series on Titanic. I think there would be interest in going over the Crew quarters, mess the 'Crew Only' sections of the ship. Thanks!!
A mirror instead of a clock was installed, due to a lack of time. Ha! 😂🤪
Even though that's not true it's still fun 😂
IF you read this, random question but when BRitannic sank, was the grand staircase still there ?
the Grand Staircase of Britannic didn’t collapse like Titanic’s did, so it likely would still be there (if the wood hasn’t rotted away).
Another idea for future content was brought up in this video. Clocks, how they were all controlled and their importance onboard a ship. One off topic question I have is where were the controls for the whistles located?
Very cool video. Amazing work. I love to be a student again.
This video was very interesting, keep up your amazing work!
0:28 Was this fotograph taken during the launch of the Titanic? Was there any kind of ceremony? Thanks!
Antonio Santos García I don’t think so. There was no champagne bottle smash when Titanic was launched. Many people also mistake the warning signals for fireworks used for an untold ceremony.
4:56 that guy looks like Boris Johnson in 1912! Lol
because it is
He he! Lol
nice touch with the Beethoven!
I couldn't help but notice the lack of doors for the boat deck cabins entrance in the grand staircase. It's quite distracting seeing the plain white panels amongst the rest of the ornate entrance. I notice too in later photos of the Olympic's GSC, there are doors installed here. I know, at least for the port side of the Olympic, there was no door for some time as this wall was adjacent to the Marconi Room....so....
were these doors a deliberate omission later adjusted on Olympic, or were they simply never installed in time?
+Jen Nettles There were no boat deck cabins originally on Olympic, the door on the starboard side led straight to the officer's quarters. Some staterooms on the boat deck were added just aft of the Grand Staircase during her late 1912-early 1913 refit.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical Yes I know that already. My question was in regards to the doors themselves, not the entrance-ways. If you look at the current GSC model on Honor & Glory, you can see the boat deck cabin entrances have no doors. I was asking if that was deliberate or a result of cutting corners.
@@jennettles5648 on Olympic there were sort of two doorways on each side, one just behind the other. The one going directly from the grand staircase to the cabins had no door, there was another doorway about 2 feet just forward of that one that did have a door which, based on plans, looks as though it could swing in either direction.
I mean she's missing half of her bow!
Once thete was a TH-camr who said the central propeller was not on the ship... I exploded.
And there was a time he said the ships rudder did not work and that is why she crashed into the iceburg.
that's on same level as Aaron1912
Were they retarded?? The ship would never have been sea worthy especially with out the rudder working. If the rudder wasnt working then how did Murdoch order the ship to turn?? Did they not understand what the fuction of it was?? Amazing that people can be so stupid.
And there are Pictures of how Titanic was doing sharp maneuvers during it's voyage to test her response.
@@Yassified3425 Wow! I would love to see them. Gotta link?
Sorry, but his vids were deleted like two years ago.
could you release a sinking demo of Titanic honor and glory
Its just sad because the ship was NEW NEW. It wasn't even used for a month! And now its all lost.
So good, please make a video about the saver ship capthathia and the evil ship ss califonian i think you know what happened. The radio messeges, the mistakes and the scary ride to get to titanic
I second this, but more to clear the Californian's name
Californian wasnt evil. she cant do anything to help Titanic.
She had cut her machines off for the night.
Before she could sail to the sinking Titanic she need to start up her engines. Which means that she need to steam up for at least 2 hours before she could sail.... And the the Titanic was gone already.
I second, Carpathia is a worthy subject.
I wouldn’t say Californian was evil, but their lack of curiosity about the rockets and negligence in waking the radio operator to check are difficult to excuse. If only Carpathia and Californian positions were exchanged that night, how different things might have been. I’ll always be on Team Carpathia.
We’ll never know for sure, and Carpathia didn’t arrive in time either - but she sure made the attempt, unlike a certain other ship. “We saw all the rockets, but just assumed they were having a kitten birthday party.” OK then…
I've also heard that extra lifeboats were supposed to be added on the Titanic after her maiden voyage. Is this true ?
How about the top of the bridge? It was gray on its maiden voyage but I heard it was supposed to be made out of wood like the decks.
I'm sure it was meant to be gray because there are photos of Olympic which show a grey roof on the bridge and they had 35 years to make it wooden but it was grey
@@anormalcommentor9452 oh thanks!
I wonder if the Olympic never was damaged and the titanic set sail in March would it have still sunk
you never know. the ship could miss the berg, or she could hit a completely different berg. 🤷🏻♂️
True, unknowable, but from what I’ve heard had she sailed in March much less likely to have encountered large bergs in the position where she went down. I’m guessing none of them read the 1898 novel “Futility“ or would have avoided sailing in April.🙀 Ismay must have been unfamiliar or might have passed on Titanic as a name. Didn’t I read that the third ship was going to be called Gigantic but was changed to Britannic after the loss of Titanic because sounded too similar. Not certain, I could be confusing it with “Big Broadcast of 1938” movie that features a ship called the Gigantic. All I know is that given the unlikely series of unfortunate events it almost seems that Titanic was predestined to be lost. But I’ve watched several aviation disasters that are the same; a series of events, any which not happening, could have prevented the tragedy.
May I ask where the image of the sunken Turkish Bath (4:40) and the construction of the ship (around 6:00, I presume of Olympic?) come from?
From seeing the title I legitimately thought this was going to be the 1929 RMMV Oceanic
Nice video!
Cool vid
One of the things I've read every now and then is that wet paint on the pullies of the lifeboat davits caused them to bind up when some of the boats were being lowered. Additionally, will the missing paint on the spar be replicated on your digital model?
the clock wasn't finished due to a lack of "time"... haha
I greatly enjoy this series. I'd like to see a video on Britannic answering questions about her. I've heard rumors that much of the Grand Staircase was installed before she sank...is this true? Would she have had a clock like her sisters, or is the rumor of a painting instead of a clock correct?
Matt: *says butt*
Also Matt: *shows picture of stern*
Me: I see what you did there.
1:06 if only this picture was taken at just a different angle it would clearly show that Titanic is on the right with still an open promenade deck. because most people think Titanic is on the left
Apologies if a video has been made along this idea but I’d like to see a video about how titanic came to be, as in who came up with the idea of the olympic class and then harland and wolff and obviously then her building and voyage, Id love to find out titanic and olympics origins. *Please?*
I know a bit of that. 1880's two ships are planned. Oceanic and it's sister Olympic. Thomas Ismay dies but Oceanic is already being built. Olympic however was never built yet so they canceled it. Olympic's remaining parts went to a new class called "The Big Four". After the Big Four, White Star want to reclaim the title of "Biggest Ship" on a ship. They think of a gigantic liner and resurrect the name "Olympic". That's why RMS Olympic was called RMS Olympic.
You asked this two years ago, so probably have already found the answer, but there’s a video that reenacts a dinner between Bruce Ismay and Lord Pierre (spelling?) of Harland & Wolff in which they devised the idea of the three large sister ships.
Any plans for the anniversary of the sinking?
I remember reading that Thomas Andrews decided during the voyage to have the colour of the wicker Café Parisien changed to green. Which of course was never completed. I'm not sure if this is true?
I've been told that there is a set of library book cases that never made it to the titanic. What do you think about that
Hi, new viewer here, could you do a video on how they painted the Olympic class ships? Those pictures of the men painting were really neat and I'd like to know more
So the ship would get modifyed just after her first voyage if she didn't sink if I understand correctly right? Also what model do you reccomand beside the honor and glory and trumpeter one? (I'll do my titanic as fully finnish what if) and something that would be intersting to do a "what if the titanic survived as long as the olympic"? (for me 2 scenario : either become a HMT like the olympic or an hospital ship like the britannic)
Every first voyage of ships have some issues, its a completely normal phenomenon, and not working vents are not great but not terrible either. By the way, at 5:24 which ship galley is that? It reminds me of the Oceanic, but im unsure
SS Montcalm :-)
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Thank you! :)
White Star Line - Was the Line that tried to deliver but its was always embroiled in their own incompetence.The French Line was a real contender with Cunard. Not White Star
if only they have built a water tight door at the front end of Scotland Road and not only at the AFT
Love this channel!
6:22 A lack of time.
Literally.
Question: the nameplate on the bow of Titanic, are they seperate plates on the hull? i always thought it was painted on, but since the letters are black during outfitting it made me wonder
the letters were engraved into the hull and painted later on. they definitely weren’t separate plates. hope that answers some of it! :)
Do you know why the gold stripe on Titanic separated the black hull and white superstructure while seemingly all other White Star Line ships had the gold stripe sitting lower on the hull? Olympic had the stripe in the middle early in her career but it was lowered later on. Was this due to the Titanic sinking?
@Garrett green It wasn't always the case as other WSL ships had their gold bands seperating the superstrcuture and hull. RMS Oceanic (1899) is a good example of that.
Olympic became her lower stripe after WW1. From 1911-to 1914 she sailed with a gold stripe like the Titanic had.
Watching your videos I'm now curious, in the film Titanic Jack wins his ticket on the ship through a game of poker. Would he have been allowed on the ship having not gone through any of the checks?
He was asked if he had gone through the inspection checks he lied and said yes but still likely no
Something so simple but yet so overlooked was the water temperature and how brittle it made the steel?
yeah, no. the steel was not weak in any way. if so, how did Olympic have the career she did?
Apparently it was the rivets in the bow section, which couldn’t be installed using machinery, which failed. Apparently Olympic was fortunate that she never collided with anything in her bow area. The unexploded torpedo hit her mid ship, I think.
with her Sea trials. She was never tested to the maximum. and her trails were way shorter than they should be.
because all of her mechanical stuff they were supposed to test were the same as Olympic’s. they just didn’t see a need to test them %100, i guess.
It's unfortunate that nobody at Harland & Wolf had the foresight to equip the Titanic with any of the iceberg detection systems that were avalible in 1911. Even the S.S. Great Eastern had a similar system aboard when she crossed the North Atlantic for the first time.
Woff* Also SS Great Eastern was the first ever ship to have a double hull. And it was extremely unlikely that an Iceberg would hit more than 4 compartments
One suggestion, for future videos: The music in the background is a little too loud, and distracts one from your voice. I would suggest either quieting it, choosing a selection a little less... cacaphonous, or even omitting it entirely. The information alone is enough. =) Anyway, keep up the great work! We all appreciate it.
Albert Benajam / At the USA Senate hearings that were chaired by Sen, Smith; there were 2'd Class passengers who said that some bathroom /WC fixtures were in Boxes and never installed, Also mention of other things in 2'd class, like steam cabin heat not O.K.
I would like to know why the Lusitania sunk so fast. As we are approaching her sinking date.
WhoStoleMySocks She was torpedoed whilst carrying munitions, the munitions added to the amount of damage from the explosion.
As far as I'm aware, the munitions it carried exploded from the torpedo creating an even larger hole and since it was moving that sank it even faster.
Lusitania was torpedoed at 2:12pm. Cunard's engine room and crew shifts ran on Royal Navy Shifts so the 2:00 crew was being replaced. The torpedo also hit one of her boiler rooms and either caused a coal dust explosion or blew up one of the boilers. The ship lost all electrical power so the watertight doors could not be closed and the fact that she had longitudinal bulkheads that could be used for ballast and extra padding if used as a cruiser, once they filled with water they caused the ship to lean further starboard and rendered the port side lifeboats practically useless. Essentially the crew of the U-20 hit her at the right time in the right place.
I heard that the fresh paint actually blocked the pulleys on several lifeboats davits.
You would need an awful lot of paint to do that.
blackrabbit212 well they probably budged it all on the davits
Even though their was a coal fire on Titanic, White Star couldn't afford to delay the maiden voyage, so they kept it a secret and Titanic departed as scheduled
Not true. It was literally brought up in the inquiries, spoken about and proven it wasn't the cause of the sinking
A coal bunker fire onboard an oceanliner was not uncommon back then. It sounds dangerous but they hardly ever caused major problems.
I expected the RMMV / MV Oceanic but noice vid anyway
Do you guys know the brand of clocks on the ship? you mentioned the magneta system for the slave clocks, as far as i can see that was also a brand unless i´m missunderstanding.
However how about mechanical clocks in rooms? Do you have info on those? I´ll be interested to know and research the brands !.
Magneta company Switzerland
Okay the lady whose cell was too cold...was this the same lady called for questioning before the US inquiry? She was still focused on the poor service she received and was seemingly oblivious to the sinking and subsequent mass deaths.
She’s probably finding the grave too cold and complaining about that.