Linkin Park’s SCIENTOLOGY Problem (Emily Armstrong)
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- LINKIN PARK are one of the most successful bands of all time. Are they undermining their legacy with new lead singer Emily Armstrong, and more importantly her strong ties to Scientology?
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LINKIN PARK comeback has been kinda devastating as a lifelong fan, but I'm drawing the line at Scientology.
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I wanted to keep an open mind but after Finding THIS out???
This is like Spitting on Chester's Grave at this point like I don't think Mike and the Band thought this through
I been fan of you for awhile. But bullying someone for their religious upbringing is where I draw the line. It is just hateful behaviour and should not be allowed on TH-cam. I hate religion personally but I always judge people on their behaviour/actions.
@@DylansMindTube It is not a religion. It is a cult. They harbor SA's, they protect them. They do not believe in mental illness and they do not believe in getting help for mental health issues. Chester was SA as a child and this was one of the main reasons he lost his life. So putting a person who supports r@pists and people that do not believe in getting help for depression, it is distasteful.
@@DylansMindTube Sounds like you didn’t watch the video? This isn’t bullying, this is valid criticism. There’s a difference. People have been unfairly bullying Emily for her singing, but the stuff I’ve seen about the Scientology has honestly been fair criticism.
And this is coming from someone who’s on board with Emily outside of the Scientology religion
Plz keep posting these videos, honestly they are actually helping me cope and feel like what I’m feeling isn’t wrong.
I’m so torn after 25 years of being a fan, it’s such an emotional stab to the heart cos of how much linkin park has been part of my life. I want to stay a LP fan cos I want to be part of keeping Chester’s legacy alive. What Chester did for me growing up and even now, how can I give up. But Emily is making this super hard. She has musical talent but she isn’t close to being able to emotionally deliver Chester’s lyrics.
The part I hate the most is her singing Lost in the live stream. That song felt like a goodbye song and now that’s being tainted too.
Isn't the wife of the main scientology guy still missing?
She is
She's not missing. The govt knows where she resides and works.
But little Keebler Elf Davey Miscavige hid from being served in all those lawsuits for years
She was last seen in 2007. Not suspicious in the slightest.
Yes, Shelly Miscavige.
I read a harrowing story about a mentally ill young woman who was with "the church." She was in a basement in a home where a caregiver (who was also a Scientologist) went through a step program to "detox" from the psych meds. and become "aware" again. The woman was found in a debilitating state, malnourished and dehydrated, and hadn't bathed or changed clothes in 2 months. She was placed in a state hospital and the caregiver and her father fought for custodial rights.
Their stance on mental illness and psychiatry, as only a hoax, is just garbage. Just as most of their teachings are. I'm feeling very questionable about her now, especially considering Chester's own battle, and support of those who suffer from the disease.
Deadass, as a big Linkin Park fan, I don't need this mess right now. I honestly don't know how to feel.
I actually enjoyed "Emptiness Machine" myself, and am going to check out "From Zero" when it comes out. However, after that, I may have to go back and only listen to past stuff.
Also, to the "fans" of Linkin Park attacking Chester's son, even telling him to off himself, because he had a right to his opinion about the band & his father, just know that there's a special place in Hell for you.
Yeah im saddend to have read that as well. Some people go a little too far.
Don’t support it’s easy
Exactly. Jaime might seem unhinged but he definitely knows more
Hearing about all of this and what lies within Scientology really bummed me out. It’s baffling to know why Mike thought Emily was good for the band. I heard he auditioned for several others. If she was the one that stood out to them, then you would think they’d get a clear understanding of her background and try to delve deeper within.
in Mike's own words: "It's not about the talent, it's about the person" there is no way he did not background check
THANK YOU THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN ARGUING WITH EVERYBODY@@thereverse-flash9942
@@MusicJunkie37I agree, to suggest the band did not do their due-diligence and question her about this stuff is ridiculous. If they felt Emily was against what Chester’s struggles were, she would NOT have been approved of by Talinda of who I feel should be the final say on if she should be in the band or not.
Thats a bit dramatic. At the end of the day, shes still a human being, who was obviously a good choice due to her singing and probably clicked well with the guys.
I don't think she has to explain her religious upbringing. She may or may not have gotten away from it for sure, who knows yet. But generally like Chapelle Roan, they don't know owe the audience anything.
I'd rather trust that the members of Linkin Park can be trusted to make this kind of monumental decision. I understand the question and desire for answers, but I feel like no one's giving her any benefit of doubt, which again I'm choosing to lean that way because I've trusted Mike and the rest of the band for the last 25yrs I've been listening to them
If it was an actual religion, sure, probably. This is not a religion, it’s a cult. Regardless of whether she was born into it, the damage is still being done by its existence.
@@beyondartv even then dude, I was raised Catholic and it took a lot of deprogramming and retrospect. I can't imagine what being BORN into something like that is like. She may still be in it for the sake of keeping family in her life, seeing how Tom Cruise divorces went down.
@@beyondartv also, I'm agnostic these days but let's be real, the line between cult and religion is very, very thin, man
@@johnz6808I’m no fan of the Catholic Church but there’s a massive massive difference between them and Scientology. I’d recommend looking more into Scientology. Scientology is a predatory criminal organization and gang masquerading as a religion
@@MysticClaws100Actually there is evidence as she sided with Danny Masterson and mocked his victims
I feel like Linkin Park is now a lot like the game show Wipeout. The first 4 albums/seasons are some of the best in music/game show history, and their 5th and 6th albums/seasons, while they did go down in quality a bit, they still remain pretty good, but then their 7th album/season ends up being a massive letdown (I don't hate OML, but it's nowhere near as good as their other stuff). Then both LP and Wipeout both decide to make a comeback but then ends up being almost disastrous and become a shell of what they once were, with Mike deciding to hire a scientologist out of all people to replace Chester instead of better options like Bobby Amaru or Lzzy Hale, and that could possibly destroy their reputation. And as for Wipeout, the new format sucks with them enforcing teams instead of everyone running individually and having only 3 rounds instead of 4, the new hosts lack personality and even sneak in adult jokes into a family friendly game show.
Did Mike and the rest of the band know anything about Emily's connection to Scientology? No vetting of her background? Maybe that is why Rob left the band? Chester worked tirelessly for mental health, the exact opposite of what Scientology stands for, which is totally against mental health and antidepressants. (Does anyone remember how Tom Cruise trashed Brooke Shields for taking antidepressants for postpartum depression?) Linkin Park is no longer Linkin Park without Chester.
Great vid bro. I am in a discord that is not necessarily about music, but has a section for music chat and people seem to be more LP loyalists to the point they "trust" LP would not hire a bad person so they can continue supporting a band that meant so much to them.
This situation has soo many layers it's hard to find a place to start. When it comes to the overall sound of Linkin Park I am not happy that they did the typical Disney woke move by taking something that resonated soo much especially with males and "put a chick in it" I compare it to if Paramore decided to replace Hayley Williams with Howard Jones. Emily can sing cleans well but her screams are not capable of being Chester's no matter how hard she tries to copy them in what looks like an unsafe manner with her almost blowing her vocal cords multiple times during the debut performance with the first time coming 2 songs in with the catalyst. Emily's ties to Scientology is a major area outside of the gender swap that infuriates me with how they are factually a cult guilty of trafficking people of ALL AGES and don't believe in mental health. Emily cleared up the situation with Masterson which I can accept if true but she purposely hid her current views on Scientology and where it stands in her life and when people don't disclose things it usually means assume the worst. The Mars Volta member who's wife was a victim of Masterson and the Scientology cult came out and made claims it's all a PR move from Emily with her statement on the situation and until she and the band come out and address this issue everyone can only assume the worst. If all is true with Emily then Jaime is right and the band have spat in the face of everything they build previously and especially with Chester and all his charity and activism work for pro mental health and protecting children from evil diddlers. On the other hand I can see where Mike is in a tough spot with how everything he worked his entire life for and built in LP was taken away from him. LP meant everything to Mike and even Chester said back during the Hunting Party album tour cycle on an interview with the now defunct ScuzzTv in the UK that "it's Mike's band" when addressing how the evil music executives wanted to cut Mike out and nobody in the band was having it. It is frustrating and has torn the fanbase apart yet again as before Chester's passing I amongst most other LP fans were unhappy with LP releasing a pure generic pop album with external writers coming into the fold from the pop world to taint the music that made Linkin Park who they were. Instead of hearing us all out LP especially Chester came out swinging and mocking the fans who justifiably didn't enjoy the direction they took with One More Light which just angered us a lot more and it was with Chester's passing we came together again to support the band. I love Linkin Park, they are my favourite band and I don't hate the emptiness machine but it isn't right to flip the identity of the band like a cheap Disney remake with a clearly problematic singer who if it was a male in these controversial situations the world will want his head on a plate and he wouldn't have been hired or would have been released soon after. This is what they do, they put girls and marginalised communities into things to make people go easy with their justifiable criticisms because society is one massive participation trophy with "my little princess" syndrome rotting us from within now. I am really sad that not all the members are on board with this decision too as it's clear Rob doesn't want anything to do with the band after the loss of Chester which is a surprising exit because Mike, Brad, Rob and Mark(their former vocalist) created the band in high school and it was previously known back in it's inception as Xero. I really hope if anything, that we can have the OG 5 back one day soon and if they do stubbornly persist with Emily if the truth with evidence comes out with Scientology and the bad things she might have been involved in actively, that the band will no longer associate with her. If Emily is no longer devout to that cult and has a change of heart then I hope they build a new catalogue under a different name like Linkin Park 2.0 or something sort of like how Star Wars got Disney Star Wars after it tried soo hard to alienate the fanbase from what true Star Wars is. I wish the band the best as long as they haven't lost their souls!
I miss the old Linkin Park. Linkin Park without Chester Bennington, isnt really Linkin Park.
I already moved on from LP. Truly tragic how they screwed up the news.
People knows everything these days.
Been their biggest fan since Crawling, literally grew up with them - and I could not agree more. Thanks dude
i'm still a fan.
Did any of you even READ the lyrics to The Emptiness Machine? I'll just drop this line: "Cause there's a fire under the altar
I keep on lyin' to, I keep on lyin' to", now go read the full lyrics smart people.
I've seen people mention that kind of stuff as well. I've never listened to Dead Sara, had never heard of her prior to this, but some people that a lot of her lyrics from Dead Sara are also very indicative of a hatred for religion. I think it's easier to criticize it subliminally through music than directly, especially when dealing with a straight up cult like Scientology.
Many people forget that ALOT of people born into deeply religious families and more or less forced to be involved with religion DESPISE it. That's why there is a bit of a cliché that kids like that grow up and go wild when they arent under the thumb of it anymore.
We genuinely don't know what's going on here. Emily could be very much on board with Scientology and what it does, but to instantly try to label her as such is just as disingenuous in my opinion as people are trying to accuse her of being with the statement she released. This is a VERY precarious matter. She CAN'T just come right out and rip Scientology a new asshole, they WILL retaliate, and not even just against her but against whatever people still under the thumb of scientology that she happens to still care about.
Beyond ARTV, amazing content you deserve more views
@artvjon Rob had been distancing himself since before before the HT:20 celebration. Had nothing to do with this.
I know. I was just saying, if Emily and Mike have really been friends for as long as they have, I was saying if that happened to be another reason to why he stepped away, then I respect him for it. No way of knowing
I was gonna say this too. Ngl people are being way too presumptuous about his departure as well as Brad not touring, when in reality they're middle-aged men who likely don't want to leave their families behind for extended periods (and in Rob's case, he just doesn't see a point carrying on without Chester)
I don't agree with this take.
You don't know what her personal beliefs are at all. She was born into Scientology - she didn't pick her parents. She may dislike the religion but doesn't want to speak out about it due to fear of the backlash.
I also disagree with what you said about her vocal performance. I think she sounds fantastic live, and I really like the new song.
I respect your right to an opinion, but this video came across as unbalanced.
I’ll believe the ones who used to be in the cult and no longer are, including one of DM’s accusers. instagram.com/p/C_o3ZNtPXvK/?igsh=MTRkMzhmNzVkOXlzZw==
@@beyondartv how come you didn't mention the fact that Emily was openly gay and that Scientology is vocally opposed to homosexuality? seems unlikely she's still a member if that's the case.
And there was a Betterhelp ad during the video. TH-cam truly has a sick sense of humor
"If she left Scientology, why not say so?" - If you know about that cult, you know what they do to former members who speak out publicly. Harassment, violent threats, legal threats, turning your own family against you... she could very well not be in anymore, but be staying silent about it because of fear of retribution. I'm not saying that's what is happening, but it's possible.
If she left Scientology and denounced it publicly, she is in one the most influential bands with millions of eyes on them. The church would be signing their own death warrants to come after someone who is that much in the spotlight
@@brendoh_1222 It's not even just about what they would try to do to her, but what they will do to others in retaliation. This is a cult, they will do ANYTHING to keep their current and even former members under control.
Imagine you leave a cult, blow the lid on some shit you witnessed, and suddenly people you care about still under the thumb of said cult start dying.....
This isn't as simple as "Oh she's under the wing of one of the most famous bands ever, SHE will be fine." If she IS in fact no longer part of the church, but there are people she still cares about still in the church, she has to worry about how HER choices will effect THEM.
Personally I call ALL religions cults, but compared to Christianity, Scientology is a cult in the purest form of the word. And cults play dirty.
@@brendoh_1222as much as I want to believe this, do not underestimate an organization with unlimited money, resources, and hands willing to get dirty :(
The other things worth noting, is that Many Dead Sara songs are about mental health, and Emily openly gay.
Both are big no-no’s in Scientology
@JosephRunkle-kh1pf you can be gay in scientology only if your a high-ranking members not a lower level. Plus, the other members of Dead sara are Scientologist as well and it doesn't help that her mom works with osa as a high member. I don't want to hear the oh she can't leave bull shit their plenty of celebrities that renounced the Church and they came out fine
Scientology is only a religion as a label, the actual "beliefs" exist but are not the main core of the group. While cult is more accurate, the word has lost a lot of meaning generally due to most people not being exposed to actual cults outside of fictional media. Scientology is an organization dedicated to protecting its rich investors providing a tax haven while conducting and covering up physical and sexual abuse towards vulnerable people in the entertainment industry.
You have to pay almost $200,000 just to even FIND OUT their beliefs from the inside. So the average person getting into the group has no idea what they believe and will probably never know. Scientology has nothing to do with beliefs. It's a tax-free social club for the rich and powerful, and we all know those NEVER turn into criminal organizations lol...
Yeeeeah, the more I mull this over the more it affects my enjoyment of the new lineup. Which is a shame, because I was initially quite impressed. I was never really a fan of the band and I thought this would be what made me finally connect with them.
Probably cause youve tied yourself up in the drama, which doesnt have to be any drama.
I personally blame Mike and the management more than Emily herself for the direction LP is taking (the court case stuff is 100% on Emily). Scientology has a history of harassment against members who try to defect or even denounce the cult publicly, and being born into it Emily essentially did not choose to be in the cult and when your family and community are all cult members it's hard to escape. Apparently attending the court case was even an order from the cult so Emily might not have much of a choice in what she can say.
In saying that, while I think it's unfortunate that Emily would probably have many doors of opportunity close because of her association with Scientology, Mike and co shouldn't have chosen her to be the lead vocal, knowing her background. It's really no surprise why they're getting so much backlash, her singing abilities aside.
The Fans have tried to destroy LP for Decades especially in 2017
@@aarontrainor9918 you mean "fans"? These people are not a true fans of LP. I choose to believe in Mike' s decison. He wouldn't have choosed her if she was a bad person.
Spot on I know people who were born into it mostly just go along with minimal participation because if they say they are leaving the cult their entire family will never speak to them again. This is the same with other cult religions people are easy to brainwash.
I’m torn because I actually really like Emily’s voice and stage presence, but also I fully condemn Scientology. This is one of those grey areas where I wish she would say something about leaving the church, but I also want to separate the art from the artist. I’m fully on board with the new music and I always trusted Mike Shinoda to carry on Linkin Park how it should be, but Emily’s religion is undoubtedly problematic.
Let them do their thing, the same cringy ass fanbase that kept annoying Mike to bring back LP already turned on him. Fans are extremely fickle and should never be listened to.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're the same asshats that trashed One More Light because it's not Hybrid Theory or Meteora.
@@NayrAnur they are the same guys who in 2017 said to chester kill himself BCS he "destroyed" LP
The most disgusting thing about this is, Mike always said Make Chester Proud. How is hiring an active scientologist as his successor (when scientology dismisses mental health) making him proud exactly? This whole thing is gross and wrong. Shame on Mike and Linkin Park for doing this.
Totally agree
your post is disgusting and gross.
Right! At least Rob refused to take part in this clownery
@@Supernovaex only clownery here is your posts.
your post is disgusting
I have some criticism of this video I'm keen for anyone who believes differently to change my mind. My main issue is you don't explore any of the other possibilities of her not condemning Scientology. For example as she was born into it her family and childhood friends would all be scientologists this cult has a president for fully cutting off anyone who leaves the cult. Along with loss of connection with her family other credible risks are physical injury and legal trouble both of which this cult has done to former members in the past. I also feel she obviously at least doesn't follow all the cults views proven by her being gay and her lyrics in dead sera consistently going against the cults views on mental health. I feel like this views give evidence to her not being a hardcore scientologist and possibly not speaking out for other reasons such as to maintain relationships with family and not risk physical harm. I feel like she is being villinised while so little is known about her beliefs and involvement. I think with cults it is important to attack the cult, and the people promoting not individuals very very little known about there personal situation who i haven't yet seen any evidence of promoting the cults viewpoints. Happy to respond to anyone who has any criticism or can provide any evidence that proves me wrong
I think her vocal style and if its right for LP to get a new singer are personal opinions unrelated to if Emily is a shitty person
É difícil tirar decisões sem saber de fato a realidade. Só sabemos que ela foi (ou ainda é, não sabemos ao certo) dessa religião. E sabemos do caso do cara que foi preso. Fora isso, não há notícias sobre a Emily e a religião, se sofre perseguição, se ela tem depressão, se o psicológico dela foi afetado... enfim. Devemos ir atrás da verdade antes de fazer qualquer julgamento.
Mas uma religião que é contra homossexual e ela ser, já é algo que não tem ligação.
I’ve been a fan of Dead Sara for nearly ten years, and since I don’t delve into the personal lives of my favorite singers, I had no idea she was a Scientologist until now. Incredibly disappointing. She really kept that hidden.
They’re ordered to do that because everyone knows what Scientology is so they hide being part of it and will outright lie and say they aren’t when they are
Every member of Dead Sara are scientologist, and are part of Danny Mastersons inner core of friends.
@@yankeefan1018 agreed
Emily is one of the only people I haven't seen not refer to Emily as a scientologist.
@@yankeefan1018 all of dead Sarah members are members of Scientology. She still is. She is still bff’s with Bijou Phillips (masterson’s wife) ffs.
This situation is just so frustrating and disturbing to me. I feel so betrayed and just idk man.
In my opinion If They were so desperate to come back Mike should’ve just stepped up and became the main and only vocalist. Or get a singer that isn’t a Scientologist. Or better yet just leave the band alone.
I just hate this it’s the worst possible timeline.
Im sure this is a screaming hot take here, but I’m still gonna check out the new album and stuff. I enjoyed the new song and I enjoy her vocals. I feel like her “apology”, while very brief, is kind of all she could say honestly. Maybe I would’ve mentioned Danny by name, but that’s about it. I think the reason she can’t say that she left Scientology, is because her life or safety could be in danger. Sure that argument sounds like a cop out I’m sure, but I’m pretty sure Scientologists aren’t kind to people who leave the cult.
This is just an all around bad situation, and I totally understand both sides of the argument. However, I am still willing to support Linkin Park, unless it gets worse or if she specifically does more bad things.
I’m probably super wrong for having this take though. Idk
People are so quick to say about how dangerous Scientology is, so those people should know why she just can’t come out and say it if these stories are to be believed. It’s not just her at risk, she’s second generation. So they could do something horrific to put her whole family in danger.I feel SOME of the people wanting her to come out about it actually don’t care but want her head on a stick. I really feel for Emily, she’s in a scary situation and I’d think she would be very brave and courageous to continue touring with the band after this, considering how taxing the mental toll on her probably is at the moment.
Exactly. An outsider can just think leaving a cult and addressing it publicly is that simple.
Im looking forward to buying the new album.
@@GeorgeKnight201101PRLinkin Park money is enough to afford private security for both her and her family. No damn excuses.
Members of this "religion" are incredibly hostile. If Emily speaks up against it, she will be targeted and if LP speaks up against it, they might make themselves a target as well... Tricky situation.
And being famous will not help. Look at what happened to Kidman.
Yeah and it isn’t just her that would be stalked and harassed.
From what ive heard, leaving scientology and denouncing it isnt easy. Theres been stories about them harrassing and going after former members. What has me skeptical is that I dont see why Cedric and his wife would lie about Emily cornering the victims of Danny Masterson and harrassing them.
Also, no disrespect, but I wouldnt put too much stock on what Jamie Bennington says. He believes all the conspiracies about Chester being offed and he's harrassed Chester's widow to the point she's had to get a restraining order against him.
ROB is a real one!
Between the NFT's and AI usage in one of their recent music videos, and now this. LP is not having a good 2020's so far.
And they've got no one but them to blame
I heard that if you made it public that you condemn or criticize Scientology, the cultist will find a way to track you, Harras you, or even try to kill you or your family. Who knows what’s going on with Emily’s Mind. I feel conflicted with this the more I learn about this😭 I Love LP but it’s hard to call out something that you love so much.
To me, the big deal is not the Danny Masterson stuff. To me, it's about Scientology's stance on mental health and mental health professionals. That is the betrayal as a LP fan.
yes, but if you look at her lyrics for Dead Sara, you see she has a clear belief in mental health, especially depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation. She's also openly queer, which isn't something scientology is for. She's second-generation Scientologist, so she's just been raised around it. She probably doesn't want to put her parents' lives in danger by saying anything regarding the cult
@@volutedmetal8543 Then someone should just ask her, "If someone in the band was thinking of self-harm, would you support that person seeing a mental health professional?"
Linkin Park Reunites With New Singer: “(KSI Impression) YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!”
Linkin Park’s singer is a Confirmed Scientologist:
“(KSI Impression) NO! NO! NO! F***! S***! C-“
In all seriousness though what a horrendous squander of comeback potential.
Mike Shinoda has ultimately failed Chester, someone who he claimed was his best friend. But more importantly, he failed the LP fanbase, especially those who have developed mental health problems because of sexual assault.
Thats a little over the top and full of drama. Just enjoy the new singer. And besides people who are suffering from really bad depression, should be seeking therapy to help themselves with thier issues.
So glad you mentioned Growing up in Scientology! I've been keeping up with the evolving story through him and have been name dropping his channel on all sorts of other videos, explaining why this is such a big deal. So glad I don't have to rehash his explanations here.
I was actually pretty dismissive of your initial video bringing up this scandal, because I didn't know anything about the cult or Danny Masterson, so I thought you were just making s mountain out of a molehill. But wow...after I learned more about it i realized you were absolutely right to be outraged
🙏
Plus there has been bad news regarding both Elton John and Dave Grohl. This has been a pretty bad month regarding music news already.
I looked up what Dave Grohl did, what the fuck
In regards to the new song emptiness machine, I think its okay, but I really wish they wouldn't have let her cover Chester's lines in the old songs. That just felt like karaoke and it feels hollow. She is a talented singer but she doesn't have the demons that made Chester's emotions fuse with his vocal excellence. RIP Chester. You sang like an angel that screamed like a demon
how do you know that? did you know her personally while she was growing up? didn't think so, being born into a cult gives one plenty of demons i'm sure.
Hey Jon,
believe me when I say that I feel just as insecure and uneasy as everyone does about this situation.
I'm a lifelong LP fan and anticipated the reunion with upmost curiosity. And to be honest: When LP initially made their new line up official, released the new song etc... I was amazed and happy - at first!
From an artistic pov I like the new LP a lot. The music is cool, I like Emilys voice... I just think its profound and something I can get used to (we all need to get used to the new LP, whether we do or do not support it).
BUT - and thats a big But - the whole Scientology and Masterson situation rattles me as well, like hell.
I don't want to support an artist or even my favorite band if they are active Scientoligsts. Its just impossible, I don't even need to point out reasons here. I think we agree in that instance.
BUT - and thats a second, even bigger But - I think may help to consider that the whole situation might be way more complicated than we understand or could comprehend.
Before you read my following word I want to make clear that I'm not trying to protect Emily or LPs decision hiring her. Please keep that in mind.
But I think there are so much more factors we have to think about than all that social media discussions and the backlash.
You said it yourself: Emily was born into Scientology, she didn't actively decide to join it. Her parents are eveb big bugs in the cult.
Emily identifies as queer, which - at least as far as I know - is a no go in Scientology.
Her apology on social media felt dissatisfying to me, too - especially because she didn't address the Scientology thing at all. (Though I was personally satisfied with the part of her distancing from Masterson and violence.)
But lets think about it:
We all know Scientology and how horrible that cult is. We also know they have an inhouse secret service and a huuuge network, especially in the USA. A lot of former members of Scientology claimed they didn't issue against them earlier because they were simpliy scared. Scared for themselves, their families and friends.
I mean, who can really tell if Emily isn't just scared as well? I think her not mentioning Scientology in her statement might even emphasize exactly that. Maybe its just not easy to say, as someone who was born and raised in it, "Hey, I'm not with Scientology anymore, I distance myself from them, they are bad".
Maybe its even more complicated to phrase a proper statement about that, a one that she can live with, without feeling uneasy.
And who knows, maybe the Bixlers just use the hate and openly pillory Emily to get attention, because they know what a big deal it is - espacially in connection to LP.
Please don't kill me and remember my earlier words: I'm not protecting anyone or anything here. I'm just trying to give another perspective. I used the word MAYBE a lot in the previous paragraphs a lot on purpose. Because I don't know anything. Just as we all don't.
And once again:
I want a clear statement from her and/or LP as well!
IF she is Scientology I'll cry in sadness, because that crosses the line for me and it would be the end for me as an LP fan after 23 years.
If they keep being silent about it... I don't know what to do. I want to like and support the new LP. Don't know if I can, though, if we never get a clear answer.
Long story short:
Just an opinion from a random guy, who is mostly with you in this case, but still trying to give another perspective.
Keep up your good work and greetings and best regards from Germany,
Kai
It's an absolute shit show on Reddit rn, essentially a battle between two echo chambers, r/Music and r/LinkinPark. The LP subreddit is silencing criticism and inhaling copium over the whole thing (DAE Emptiness Machine about leaving Scientology) while r/Music is being insanely parasocial, assuming the other departed members are as a result of Emily and forwarding even the most clickbaity articles while theorising the band are destroying their career (EM is literally on par to become their highest charting song ever in the UK LMAO).
I can't help but feel this is highly representative of terminally online people obsessed with social media drama and being completely out of touch with what matters to the common person.
The thing that sucks the most is that if Emily Armstrong has left Scientology, we’ll probably never know. There’s a chance she’s left the church and doesn’t want to say anything in fear of being targeted
considering the fact that she's openly gay and The Church HATES homosexuality it seems like it's a pretty safe bet that she did leave.
I honestly listened to their new song not long ago and actually enjoyed the song. Sure, it's not Chester and it's not the same, but her voice fits the band really well. Honestly, we shouldn't judge her until she does something terrible. I bet a lot of lawyers would tell you that many people do what she did when Masterson was being sentenced. The only reason we know about it was because it was such a big trial. If you feel this way about her, I hope you're not watching any movies or tv shows with Scientologists in it as it would ruin the show for you.
I'm sorry, I think this is a terrible mindset that you have towards her, and I think scientology is complete dog water. I'd get your point if it was EDP or someone like Masterson, but this is someone that basically dealt with brainwashing. She could be westboro baptist and as long as she doesn't act like them (at that point she should leave but easier said then done), I wouldn't care. Let's just wait to see how she is, then we can make our judgment. This video is the equivalent of rating a movie based on teasers without watching the movie. Not everyone will be happy, no matter who the lead singer is. Hope you the best in your TH-cam career, never watched you before, but was trying to find out about the scientology conspiracy. If she does fuck up though, I'll do my best to find this comment again and edit the ending to say you were right and I was wrong.
I hope this motivates Mike Shinoda to drop a fire 2nd Fort Minor album dissing scientology and all of these critics.
I wanna raise this point I've come across from E.A. defenders:
"What if Emily was a catholic? You wouldn't care then"
To which I say:
How many bands do you know that are fronted by active members of the Clergy?
I'd wager... None.
And now let's imagine a new super group the St Leucius Pork, fronted by the Pope with the Bishop of Canterbury, two random priests and a monk... (NGL, that sounds hilarious 🤣) But now, let's imagine they do an All Ages gig in a cruise liner and children get a discount.
You would care. Wouldn't you?
Let's remember that scientologists don't even believe in the concept of children and I'm not even gonna talk about everything else. The F.B.I. kept receipts.
Linkin park died with Chester.
Yes it did
💯 I've followed this band forever but I won't be listening to anything new or anything with her singing
not for me.
@@LokiDevil666 i'll keep on following them.
I’m willing to keep an open mind and give them the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been a lifelong fan and trust that they would’ve done their due diligence prior to bringing her on.
Her parents are Sea Org and mom works directly for church leadership
Honestly this whole situation is wild and insanely disappointing. I watched some of their live stream performance and seeing how emotional singing waiting for the end made her genuinely got me chocked up. So seeing that and then knowing what we know makes me so sad that I can’t support their new album, because I actually loved their new song it’s probably my favorite song that they’ve put out in 10 years
So you’re just not gonna give her the benefit of the doubt. Know nothing about her at all, have no idea whether she still believes scientology, (shes gay so probably doesn’t). She made it clear she doesnt support Danny Masterson. Very strange to me how quickly people just demonize a person completely while knowing absolutely nothing about them. She could be the nicest person in the world for all you know.
I highly doubt all of the band member would have been ok with it if she wasnt a great person, and you really think they havent talked to her about this stuff in private?
weren't they on hiatus for the last 7 years?
@@khit007 yeah they were
@@hahaisheremanI'm just copy pasting this so spare me ok...I recently came across Patrick cc video about tom cruise .....he choose to follow it...and there is a difference when you are born in it you didn't choose to follow.... 😔
I just hate when people go with other's opinion when you look in that particular cult ...they didn't let easily go... atleast have faith in the band.... I started english songs from LP ...I used to think vocalist is the main guy...after growing up I realised each individual has its role then label and all that shit... atleast have some patience don't buy into other opinions if you are true fan ok no more comments thanks 👍👍
Totally agree. I'm 16 and I got into LP about just 2 years ago and even I feel betrayed by the band's descicion for hiring her so I can't imagine how lifelong fans of the band are feeling right now. How can you replace a man that commited suicide after years of batteling his inter demons, depression and alcohol and drugs for a rapist defender who didn't even apologize for that? After everything Chester went through and the way he could express all of that into his songs for more than 15 years, I can't believe they are doing this. I'm done with rthe new LP
It’s honestly heart breaking. 25 years I’ve been a fan and linkin park helped me shaped me through mental health. Chester’s death was so fucking painful even now, I want to keep loving LP but I’m so torn.
I don’t know how to feel because my vice is now tainted
@@brendoh_1222 just trust Mike. I believe he did a good decision.
@@Mustang_99 bringing the band back together was a good decision. Putting Emily as the lead vocal was not a good decision
@@brendoh_1222 you don't know that. Only Mike and the band knows that and i believe them.
@@Mustang_99 linkin park has always been a vice for people with mental health. Now that there is a Scientologist as the lead singer what does that mean for the bands future when Scientologists don’t believe in mental health. And how can you not feel betrayed that she stands where he did
The comeback should have never happened, it should have been like Nirvana or The Cranberries, move on, no revival and respect the legacy but no it turned out like The Doors.
Soundgarden as well
No one has the right to tell them they aren't allowed to keep thier band going.
It can work, just look at 'Alice In Chains'. (I actually prefer the later material)
It's a shame that's not the problem here.
The doors had a replacement singer?
Linkin Park could have rebranded as Linkin Park + Emily Armstrong, like Sublime with Rome or Queen + Adam Lambert. That probably would have worked better than what we got.
@@El_Peto Not a replacement singer. The Doors tried making a couple of albums as a three-piece after Jim Morrison died, and the results were... rather depressing.
You summed it up perfectly. Thank you!
My stance on the whole situation is this; I’m still gonna keep an open mind about the new album and give it a fair shake, but I will not check out anything else that Emily Armstrong is part of, including Dead Sara. I was generally fine with the new song, but I’m not expecting much out of this new album.
well i am looking into crowd mentality and behaviour for a project so cults have to play a part of this. Sounds like a little investigation into Clearwater Florida is imminent, thanks for your insight- if there’s any documentaries you recommend- i’m all ears.
Linkin Park hiring a Scientologist to succeed Chester and Dave Grohl cheating on his wife...Sure has been a great week to be a fan of my particular favorite bands 😁
considering the fact that Emily is openly gay which Scientologists are against I doubt she's a member anymore.
Now i understand why her performance didn't match with the original spirit of Linkin Park. She might be a great singer, because she has proven it, but she hasn't been able to connect with the songs. She can't with the way she was raised to belieave. Chester touched hearts and lifes, that's why he was a unique human not just an amazing singer.
This hurts. As someone who is neurodivergent and openly queer, and who has also suffered from depression and deeply admired Chester Bennington for the way he took on such emotions through his music, seeing this band hire a member who is part of an ableist, anti-queer, and anti-science cult that refuses to acknowledge the experiences of abuse survivors is a smack in the face in every way imaginable.
Its ironic because I heard that Emily Armstrong is Gay.
I agree with you some of the people don't understand that that's not her songs why sing chester songs when he pasted away
@@141ghost8how else are they supposed to have that “comeback concert” ? Obviously going forward I doubt they will do it all the time. I think it’s just a show of her voice.😊
If we're gonna cancel people we've never met for mere associations, we've got a lot of work to do. The bible supports slavery, so every christian in the world is cancelled i guess. See how dumb it sounds? Youre acting like scientology itself is the new member of linkin park
@@141ghost8 Well the lyrics and music is mostly Mike, not just Chester. I love Chester and have been against them going on, but Armstrong does a really good job, will take practice. Im not gonna critice the bands choice and focus on their music bit the drama that you create.
I don’t care that she is/was a Scientologist, I like the Mission: Impossible films despite Tom Cruise being a Scientologist but with her suport of Danny Masterson is an insult to Chester Bennington the rest of Linkin Park should be ashamed of themselves. I can not support this “new” chapter for the band, Linkin Park died with Chester
I genuinely don't know what to think :( I love linkin park so much and this is such a mess...
If I was Shinoda, I'd sleep with one eye open. Scientology is spreading like wildfire and associating yourself with their type can spell trouble.
If she is under the threat of violence and is actively trying to escape the church obviously she probably wouldn’t say anything.
Oh well, looks like you won’t be listening to LP anymore. We’ll be at the shows, album on repeat. Been a fan since 2000. See you later 👋
Never said that. Lmao
@@beyondartv so you will listen to the new album? With Emily’s vocals present?
THANK YOU .. 24 year fan here and please shout it out louder
I was actually excited once I heard that Emily Armstrong joined LP, but once I found out who she had supported, there really is no coming back from that. Screw Danny Masterson and the entire Church (Cult) of Scientology and Emily Armstrong
Emily's openly gay and The Church HATES that sort of thing so I doubt she's part of it anymore.
@@DexterMorgan-y8y I wonder how true that is, based on the fact on public knowledge
After letting all of this sit for the past week or so, my initial excitement for the Linkin Park comeback has officially died. All the controversy surrounding it has just put me off, to the point where I don’t even care anymore. In fact odds are I’m not even gonna buy the album in November because of it. Maybe in a couple years when the dust settles I’ll give it a listen. This is the first time that a band/artist has announced an album, and I’ve just went “no.” Don’t get me wrong, I went in with an open mind, and at first I was on board. But all the negative press has drove me away.
Why this organisation still exists beats me.
I mean, Some of the suggestions that people had for replacement singers were ridiculous. (I will never not laugh at the dude on Reddit who thought Wes Scantlin of all people was the perfect fit for Linkin Park)
But I'm starting to think even those options would've been less controversial, Like Wes may be a nutcase that should be locked up in an institution but at least he's got morals. Nevermind Bobby Amaru of Saliva who actually could've been a great fit unironically.
Armstrong isn't a bad singer but she just doesn't have the range that Chester did nor the technique, And her raspy vocals sound forced when singing his parts. I'm sure she'll sound good on the album but she's got a long way to go before she's able to perform the older material.
Just because you are raised in a religious faith doesn’t mean you believe it there’s a lot of Christians out there the same way don’t lie another thing is Scientology is against the gay community she identifies as queer! I’m going to give her a shot and see what happens!
linkin park comeback + scientology = disrespect at its finest
Because if you leave scientology, you have death threats. Look at how Kidman was stalked. She was born into it.
Because we all know the fact checkers are telling the truth.
1st thought that came to my mind when I heard the new single was..."what emptiness machine are you apart of?" This sounds suspicious 👁
With lines from the song like: "gave up who I am for who you wanted me to be" ... falling for "the promise of the emptiness machine"...."it's been decided how we lose" "there's a fire under the altar I keep on lying to"...
Why are they writing a song about betraying themselves, lying and worshiping those lies? Is the truth spelled out for us right before our eyes but we can't see it?
It seems like a direct insult to the message that Chester embodied in his lyrics.
not really no it's not
I already posted this over on Metalbirb's video; I'm just gonna copy/paste it here because I'm already beyond sick of hearing about this.
I'm standing with Emily. I don't give a shit about her religion; if I only listened to people who believed the things that I do, I wouldn't have anybody left to listen to. I also don't give a shit about who she was friends with; we've all had questionable friendships we later discovered we were better off without. Masterson is rotting in prison for 30 years to life, and good riddance. It is not Emily's responsibility to atone for the sins of an entire religion -- she's not the fucking pope of Scientology; she has not committed a crime, and she's a great fit for the band. That's enough for me. If you are expecting every member of every band that you love to pass a purity test you are going to be very disappointed; you should probably not go digging into any of the other bands you love. Just sayin'.
Love it, very well said!
Mike strikes me as a very reasonable, mature and intelligent guy. Although I def get all the concern it does seem a bit odd to me that he - and the rest of the band - would commit so hard to her if she wasn't clear. They even seem to admire her a lot. Don't you guys think this is relevant? Like, they're the ones who actually know her, not us.
Jon thinks he's know better then everyone else apparently.
I love Linkin Park but cannot support a band who accepts Scientology. RIP Chester
it's unlikely she's a member anymore considering the fact that she's openly gay and the church is well known for being fiercly anti-gay
I think it's a matter of just making money for the band they absolutely knew about the Scientology part which makes you wonder if Scientology has a hand to play in all of this?
I think Emily left once they found out about her being gay.
I will most likely go to their show and listen to the album as I sadly only got into the bad too late to experience them live, however, I do wish she would speak out on this matter more. I want to believe that she has distanced herself from it and that is what their new single is about but we’ll see what the truth is hopefully soon. It doesn’t help that I also like the song quite a lot
I always thought that replacing a lead singer is disrespectful. This is hyper disrespectful
no it's not, replacing a lead singer is sometimes necessary.
Hey Jon, is that a displate of Linkin Park in the background? I have the exact same one in my room! That being said as a lifelong fan, i still love the band and i actually like the new song objectively but this situation pains me a lot and makes me feel conflicted.
Yes it is!!
look, I'm not defending scientology, I dont even know what it really is, but i don't think emily deserves all this hate because of something like this, and the danny trial she said she was just standing by her friend, but when she really discovered what happened she walked away, and i mean, you're really gonna start talking about this thing that has happened quite some time now? just because she is in linkin park? gimme a break, if you don't like the band now then listen to the old records, but trash her like that for something that herself already denied, huge L
I've decided to stop listening to Linkin Park. After hearing all the backlash about Scientology and how Linkin Park profited off of Chester's depression to fuel album sales, I've decided that I am no longer a fan.
I'll still check out From Zero, but after that, I'm officially done with LP.
Lmao why would you even listen to it then? XD
@@Marcos94h I was a huge fan of them. I never knew this controversy of the band exploiting Chester for profit until Emily was announced as the new singer.
Then also stop seeing tom cruise movies....ban mission impossible franchise as a whole 😊😊😊
@@aniketmathur2391 I've got that covered 👌
@@kidbonesonline I recently came across Patrick cc video about tom .....he choose to follow it...and there is a difference when you are born in it you didn't choose to follow.... 😔
I just hate when people go with other's opinion when you look in that particular cult ...they didn't let easily go... atleast have faith in the band.... I started english songs from LP ...I used to think vocalist is the main guy...after growing up I realised each individual has its role then label and all that shit... atleast have some patience don't buy into other opinions if you are true fan ok no more comments thanks 👍👍
This is heart breaking😢 what scares me is so many will get involved in the cult. Imagine the curiosity that now surrounds the band. No not good. 😢it's just wrong on many levels. Actually, I'm angry and Chester would not be proud 😢💙⚘️
I didn't mind the new song when I first heard it, but every single thing I've heard since then about Emily, the band, and even the fanbase at this point (I just saw a Deadline article about Jaime Bennington receiving death threats over his statement calling out LP's vocalist choice, something that LP fans should NOT be doing for ANY reason): all of it has turned me right off of this reunion.
I am fully aware of the narrative that Emily is trying not to provoke the Cult of Scientology for the sake of her own safety and the safety of the band and maybe even the fans, and part of me does still want to believe that she's at least trying to distance herself from them. But as it stands right now, I simply cannot do it.
What happened to MakeChesterProud ? 😿 I never thought in my life I'd hear LP & Scientology in the same sentence. So disappointing. I'm So glad I only got Chester tattoed on my arm. I've always said I waz a diehard LP fan but really it waz Always just Chester.
There is no LP without Chester they should've went back to there old name 'Xero' then ppl wouldn't care.
sure there is.
Tbf she could be under threat of violence. But I largely agree
Disapointing. I always wanted to see Linkin Park and had the opportunity top go see them in London next week, but decided not to.
I may not know everything about my favourite artist, however, knowing all this just doesnt sit well with me...
According to Mike interview on YT he said Rob left after 2017 after Chester passed on he wanted to move on from the band they hadn't really spoken much since 2017.
Even though I personally think Scientology is gross maybe they should’ve done a rebrand like the Joy Division/New Order deal? I’m honestly not interested in anything of theirs past Hybrid Theory and Meteora so this doesn’t really affect me in the separating the artist from the scandal.
That new LP song is doing well on the charts because it's already seeing heavy radio play on both rock and alternative stations. It's because the radio has been conditioned to play new music from the same few 20+ year old bands since they're safe choices and they peaked at a time when rock music actually was popular with crossover audiences. Linkin Park is one of those bands.
Look at last year how the radio kept overplaying Lost, which was a 20 year old song that got scraped from Meteroa. It got a re-release the celebrate the album's anniversary, and it immediately started getting spins because the radio already plays their older hits as filler songs. (They were basically sitting and waiting patiently for a new LP song to play. Even if what they got was a much older one.) It also helps their case that this new song isn't very good because the radio is known for playing the safest music to please as many demographics as possible.
That's a very convoluted way to just say "I don't like the song and I think everyone else should dislike it too".
The new song is actually great tho
Plot Twist: Mike Shinoda was part of Scientology the whole time.
I'm so confused
On the one hand I feel like there's no way LP didn't see this and thought it was ok. She must be distanced from scientology and the band wants to protect her, cause it's said that the church will hunt you down if you dare to leave.
On the other hand I see how all these people talking against Emily are former members and do it so seamlessly, and see how bad her apology was and I start to feel very weird.
As someone who thought LP had all the rights to come back, did, for the most part, like Emily as a vocalist and the new single, and saw how the band were as people in the past is really hard for me take all this in.
I can't say I'm just in for the music, as much as I did like it, cause of course I'm gonna criticize the band if they do wrong.
I mean, them thinking this wasn't gonna cause any controversy, even if she's not with the church anymore, is very dumb. Especially in this day and age, look how little it took to be out to the public.
I guess I'm just a bit sad there was barely any momentum and my hype only lasted a couple of days, which was a strecht knowing how soon the scientology thing was known
This is probably the worst possible way they could've come back
Honestly feeling weird about the amount of vitriol this person's getting from mental health advocates? It's slightly contradictory. Feel what you feel, and seems like she's definitely made some mistakes but imagine all this hate in your direction... Crazy.
Yeah... I felt everything was off since the reveal. All I can say.. I grew up as a fan.. but this just isn't Linkin Park. I cannot listen to them anymore. It's a bit of a shame to see this,
Linkin Park should've just quit.
LOL no way
This hurt me hard because I've been listening to Linkin Park for nearly a quarter of my life I was 12 when I discovered the band and this made me so mad I knocked them out of my top 20 favorite artists and what was formerly my number two artist starset is now my favorite they used to be my absolute favorite
Emily and LP has the same manager. Also Emily was really surprised as to how fast things were going.
Given the abuse Chester Bennington HIMSELF endured in his earlier life and all that he directly advocated for in terms of mental health and abuse victims, I can guarantee he would absolutely LOATHE what his longtime colleagues have lowered themselves to here.
Like he sang himself in "Runaway": "I wanna know the truth instead of wondering why. I wanna know the answers. No more lies." He would find they are, in fact, living the harshest lie right now.
you don't know that for a fact, they're not living a lie at all.
I already thought it was really unfortunate when they just continued with the new singer linkin park instead of creating a new Band to honor Chester, but this just makes it a thousands times worse. It's crazy how most people nowdays are just all about money and don't have any honor/dignity remaining when it's about money. I hope people will not support some behavior like this and for me it's like you said Linkin Park died with Chester Bennington.
She's not supposed to be Chester. This is a new LP and it's amazing. She's gonna do great.