Not quite but mostly. You can record sentencing in Crown Court in England, High Court for appeals, and Court of Appeal, but only in some cases and only recently. You have always been able to record the Supreme Court since until 2009 it was the House of Lords and thus Parliament not court and now it is a court it is outside the old legislation. This is English (and Welsh) law, the UK is not a single jurisdiction and the laws vary in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Isle of Mann is not in the UK but is a Crown Dependency.
That's not true any more. Cameras can be allowed in to courts now to record proceedings and alike bit sometimes rhe identity of the defendant is obscured/pixilated but not always. The Scottish High Court has caes from within court during proceedings and sentencing thatve been recorded shown on our news here. It's still usual to see court artist sketches, though rather than an image or recording of the defendant in the Dock.
I like the comment that being sent to prison is the punishment not to be punished. Being away from your family and friends and possibly losing your job could be a deterrent.
@christineharding4190 It is, the conditions of prison being harsh reduces its impact not increases it. Everyone I've ever heard interviewed about prison in any country harsh or lenient, will tell you the worst part is not being able to see your family and live your life. Anything worse feels like rubbing salt in a wound and makes them bitter and resentful, as opposed to deterring them, because the time without freedom is enough to have whatever deterrent it provides, so it being worse doesn't deter them more.
The offence of ABH is "Actual Bodily Harm" which essentially means you physically harmed someone, but didn't cause severe or long-term injury. Injuries up to minor fractures caused by assault and battery are generally considered ABH. More severe injuries would get you the more serious offence of GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm)
The one time I did jury service the charges were ABH and GBH. Basically we had to decide whether he had attacked his ex and if so whether breaking her nose counted as GBH. We found him guilty of ABH.
@ hi. Yes I know but I was just pointing out that you shouldn’t think that just because this is how it is in the IOM that the same happens in the UK - same with the Baliwicks of Jersey and of Guernsey in the Channel Islands 🙂
@@jeanlawley6483 Although a self governing Crown Dependency it has had adopted or had many English laws imposed on it, it is only in the last few years that Westminster allowed it to keep all the VAT raised on the island, Westminster refused that change for a long time as not liking British Isles Tax Havens or any tax haven that UK companies can avail of by registering their head office there. It also has the oldest Parliament in the world, the Tynwald. The whole island can be isolated and was used as a detention centre for German and Italian citizens resident in the UK during the early part of WWII. Many stayed on when released and some of their descendants are still residents on the island being Manx.
Interesting history about the Crown Dependency of the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man Purchase Act of 1765 purchased the feudal rights of the Dukes of Atholl as Lords of Man over the Isle of Man, and revested them into the British Crown. The bill did not go as far as it had been proposed: for a period there had been plans to merge the Isle of Man into the English county of Cumberland now Cumbria.fierce resistance from the inhabitants, led by the then Speaker of the House of Keys, Sir George Moore.
You can actually take cameras into a prison in the UK so you’re totally wrong now just like they’ve done here with the Isle of Man. You have to get permission to film inside the prison that’s all if you go through the right channels and get permission you can do. The Ilsle of man is apart of the British territories & they are governed by the PM& Westminster.
The Isle of Man was one of the last parts of the British isles to outlaw 'the birch' which involved the corporal punishment [thrashing] of criminals [or more typically young 'tear-aways' or hooligans on drunken holidays from Glasgow or Liverpool] with a birch-tree branch
Hi from the Isle of Man, this is our version off a holiday camp, a lot of real serious crimes get sent to the mainland to serve long sentences in higher security prisons
In UK we don't have the jail then prison system. There's just prison. The court decides if you can go home on bail (with various conditions if need be) or you're to go 'on remand' (awaiting trial ) in prison where everyone is treated the same whether they've been convicted or not yet gone to trial.
I am guessing that the narrator of this is Stephen Fry. the thing with little Islands (I live in Jersey in the Channel Islands) is that the police deal with the same local criminals all the time. this is why the guy is so friendly with the warders. another factor about it being an Island, even if you breakout, you have to use a port (sea or air) to get away. so you would be lucky to not get caught within 24hrs. this is why Island prison are nothing like the mainland ones.
@reactingtomyroots If you looked at prisons on mainland in the UK you wouldnt get as rosy a picture. There not as bad as most US prisons but they can be pretty violent and scary places especially Catagory A and B prisons.
This is true, I came to live in the IOM 🇮🇲 nearly 40 yrs ago and it’s the same names in the local paper every so often. One of the main headlines when I came here was that 30 pints of milk was stolen from a shop front in the early hours. You won’t get far here and was often said if someone took your car it was so they could get home after a night out! 😆 I leave my car unlocked and the back door is always unlocked. These days though with more people coming to live here crime has increased and it’s not locals who are doing it. Island life is changing
If you’re looking for British true crime documentaries I’d recommend Merseyside detectives and 24 hours in police custody. I would really love to see you react to them. Love from Wales 🏴
If you think this is different, check out the Norwegian prison system, where you get a ticket telling you when to turn up to start your prison sentence, taught a trade, and have nice accommodation, sometimes with the ability to come and go from the prison within certain hours. The reoffending rate is very, very low. The Norwegian justice system focuses on preventing there being another victim of future crime above all else.
They also have access to a fully stocked supermarket within the prisons in Nkrway too where inmates can buy everything and anything they could do in a regular supermarket outside the confines of the prison. And most are actually open prisons that allow then to go out in public and return by a certain time too. Some even have outside jobs or have managed to keep their enployment and go omto their regukar work (if they didnt lose it after sentencing) to carry on and not lose value in being a 'priductive' citizen. Though those serving life etc are exempt from the 'open' system and have to remain confined in the prison estates. But still have access to everything else any other inmate would, just not the ability to leave the grounds.
@janolaful killers n those on a life se tender cabt just come n go in an 'open' prison type system there. But those with lesser sentences for less serious crimes certainly can and do. Some even have day jobs out with the prison they go tomorrow every day n back on the prison estate by a certain time for lick up, etc. A murderer won't be allowed off the prison grounds and will be restricted to their own wing locked down in the wig. Thiugh they have access to the fully sticked supermarket (like an outside one), the library music room, art studio, and alike.
Minor criminals getting put in with hardcore criminal, doesn't work so great, they either can't cope and suicide or breakdowns can happen, or they mix with people that take them under their wing and they make connections with the career criminals when they get out, and change from minor to major criminals, so i think prisons like this can help with keeping the minor criminals at a basic level
The first televised sentencing th-cam.com/video/msjuiJkQ698/w-d-xo.html A video showing how a crown court works. - th-cam.com/video/tZYvv_s5R-s/w-d-xo.html - Very similar to the one where I did jury service A TV series from the 70s based on UK trials called Crown Court - th-cam.com/video/p5Tba-NukYU/w-d-xo.html - the jury were members of the public and they would prepare different endings to be used according to the verdict
The Isle of Mann isnt actually part of Britain or the UK but it is a British Crown Dependency and because of its Geographical position on the Planet is classed as part of the British Isles Archepeligo. The Isle of Mann actually has its own Govt and its own Constitutional legal system that is independent from the UK
In the UK and most jurisdictions based on it, there is no distinction between jail and prison. There are remand prisons and training prisons which have similar functions to jails and us prisons respectively but they are not strictly separated and with a prison overcrowding crisis, there is increasingly common trend of just putting them where there is room. The Isle of Mann only has one prison as far as I'm aware anyway.
ABH - Actual Bodily Harm No one should ever try to defend themselves in court, lawyers may well be unpleasant but for the most part they know their way around a courtroom. It's not unusual in the UK for prisoners on remand to be held in prisons while awaiting their trial dates. The UK legal system works slowly.
There's little or no evidence that harsher conditions in prison reduces crime. Yet there are some people that constantly call for more 'punishing' of criminals and less rehabilitation, which they regard as being 'soft on crime'. It's basically a revenge mentality, since it's not based on reducing social harm, but more on 'getting even' - making a wrongdoer suffer.
Prison over here is different if your a flight risk or don’t stick to bail conditions u will be remanded in custody until your trial prison/jail here is the same thing that applies to men & women prisoners av done a bit myself back in the day so “little holiday camp” most prisons over here also if it’s a violent crime or murder u don’t “pass go “ 🥴
The prison is nicknamed 'the jurby hilton' for a reason. The design of the prison is so the guards sit in the centre section (glass roof) so they can see down all the prison wings clearly simultaneously 24/7.
The way this program alone so easily humanises convicts. Prisoners are human beings! It’s uncomfortable but it’s true. They deserve human right and human considerations
Actual bodily harm (ABH) and grievous bodily harm (GBH) are two different types of assault, and they’re both criminal offences under the offences against the Person Act 1861, the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and the Police Act 1996. They can both be committed either intentionally or recklessly; however, the severity of the consequences for these two crimes can vary considerably.
Even lawyers don’t represent themselves in court! It’s always a bad idea. Reading a couple of books will not help you in court. That’s why the best lawyers earn a lot of money, they put in the long hours to build their case. My friend is a defence lawyer and he spends weeks going over every item in a situation to build the best possible defence for his client. He’s a very skilled attorney!
The "middle" or centre of the star is where the staff are located.Its deliberately designed as a wheel with spokes so that it only takes the least amount of staff to supervise all the individual wings(spokes).
@@reactingtomyroots Yeah,the fella that designed them was an English/American chap called John Havilland.There's still a good few of his designs in use up and down the UK. He also designed the Eastern State Penitentiary, in Fairmount,Philadelphia. (Al Capone served time there apparently).
Being sent to prison and losing your freedom, is the punishment, in most civilised countries. The US, unfortunately, is on a list with the usual suspects, (China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, etc.) that thinks that losing your freedom isn't enough and looks to punish them even further. Hard labour and/or forced labour, are among the controversial practices used in these countries. Stephen Fry (the narrator) talks about it in an episode of QI, where he lists off all the goods sold in the US, that are made by US prisoners. Even your prison system is about making a profit! Your politicians aren't interested in rehabilitation for prisoners, as they would lose a valuable work resource!
Back in the 70's, my brother spent a month in the old Douglas prison. He really enjoyed his time there. He had daily work outside the prison accompanied by an officer. At the end of the day, he'd have to knock on the prison door to get back in, then they'd order him a McDonald's for his evening meal. As the video cllaims, you get sent to prison *as* punishment, not *for* punishment.
Just so you know this series isn’t exactly what the prison is like yeah sure as prisons go it is very well kept and it’s almost like a little community but at the end of the day it’s still a prison not a holiday there’s a decent amount of violence naturally cos well it’s a prison and it’s also very boring I’m from the Isle of Man btw and I have had a family member serve time in the prison
I know one bloke I a UK prison and he was earning more than some of the staff. He was trained for biohazard work so anytime someone crapped the bed or blood was spilt he was sent to clean it up. Every morning he'd go to the hospital wing and get £15 a bed. He received so much because he was basically on call 24hour and could get woken at night to clean something up
The UK doesn’t distinguish between jails and prisons. We only have prison which will hold convicted criminals and those held on remand waiting for trial. The exception is that police stations have cells but these are only used for very short term stays, until someone is formally charged.
Court cases aren't televised in the UK but a relevant TV programme that might interest you is 'Murder, Mystery and My Family'. Wouldn't mind watching you react to an episode of that.
Stephen Fry (the commentary and beloved comedian) spent a few months in prision for credit card fraud as a teen, he said the experience was profound for him and he has spoke alot about prison, reform and peoples stereotypical ideas of prisioners
I live on the Isle of Man, it’s probably the nicest most chill prison in the world but the sentencing for crimes is the harshest, that’s what it means by the toughest prison sentencing, because they give out prison sentences for crimes that would be a slap on the wrist or a fine in most other countries
As other people have said, there aren't any cameras during trials over here but there are motions going through to possibly have them in the future, we do have some sentencing hearings broadcast which can be interesting sometimes. It's crazy that Goldie was held in jail for that long pernding a trial, I'm sure over on the mainland he'd be out until his trial. Unless he had a really bad record of offending. And that's a really long time to wait to go to court over a basic ABH charge although it does happen that way sometimes. Then other times the trial comes really quickly even for a serious crime, my daughters friend was killed by 2 other friends and their trial was only about 6 or 8 months after the murder so it just depends. Their sentencing was broadcast on Sky News Courts TH-cam channel and i thought it was quite interesting although maybe that's just because i knew the people involved.
Very interesting , can’t believe how lenient they are here, it’s more like a holiday camp/youth club than a prison. I would enjoy more police/crime reactions for sure x
fun fact, the treadmill was invented in a British prison! getting the intimates to generate energy like a work horse - so gyms have always been a big part!
@@monkeymox2544 The penal treadmill, also known as the "everlasting staircase," was invented in 1818 by British engineer Sir William Cubitt while observing idle prisoners at Bury St Edmunds prison. The first prototypes were installed at Bury St Edmunds Gaol and Brixton House of Correction. The concept quickly gained popularity, and by 1824, at least 54 prisons across Britain had installed treadmills. The system spread beyond Britain to Ireland, North America, and Australia
@@Enhancedlies Right... but it is basically just the same treadwheel that had existed for centuries already. Just put into a prison, and I guess elongated so more people could walk on it. The only real difference is that the penal treadmill sometimes had no productive output. I just think it's a bit of a stretch to say that the treadmill was 'invented' in a British prison. Anyone at the time, looking at one, would have found it to be a recognisable piece of pre-existing technology.
@@monkeymox2544 not really, saying the Romans had it is a stretch. They had a hamster wheel that could lift fairly heavy objects. not access the energy to pump water, turn grain or whatever else. but yes dw im not claiming Britain invented the idea of energy transfer
You would probably represent yourself if the costs are too high. See, for example, the "McLibel" where two ordinary people in the UK fought McDonalds _for ten years_ in a libel case and sort of won in the end. They were not big earners and so gradually, over the years, became experts in libel law. The interesting thing is that they did get some help - from one Keir Starmer, our current Prime Minister when he was a jobbing lawyer. McDonalds spent _millions_ on the case the McLibel two, 30 grand. McDonalds eventually tried to settle and had a meeting with the pair in which they (McDonalds) said they would drop the case if the pair only criticised McDonalds privately to friends and not in public. The McLibel pair responded that they would agree if McDonalds dropped all advertising and only recommended their restaurants, privately, to friends. It ultimately led to changes in UK libel laws and revelations about dodgy police undercover tactics. There is a full documentary about all this - including reconstruction of actual court scenes - on YT (McLibel full documentary).
We don't have a bail-system like you do. So if the crime is serious enough, you're remanded to prison before going to trial. If you're not guilty in court- then you just walk out of the court. If guilty then it's back to the prison for the sentence (with the remand-time deducted from the sentence).
@@vinnyganzano1930 Goes without saying that if your remand time exceeds what the sentence is- then you already served it and walk. (I covered that when I said time-included.)
We don’t have cameras in the court room here but there was a series on channel 4 a few years ago where they did allow it. The case was where a man was believed to have killed his wife and his daughters were supporting him or something but I think it might be called the trial it’s a documentary but I didn’t watch it all
Hi guys, i went to the TT races and when the roads are closed during the race it's an offence to step on the road, a man from New Zealand was drunk and crossed the road, he was put in prison for 6 weeks and banned from the races for life!! Love you both ❤
As others have mentioned cameras aren't allowed in court proceedings. I couldn't tell you how a trial with a jury goes, as I pled guilty at crown court so there was no need for a jury. The sentencing essentially involved two barristers, one for my defence, one for the prosecution, giving their reasons why I shouldn't be too harshly sentenced in my defence, and why I should get the maximum from the prosecution. I was under guard in a locked booth at the side of the courtroom with an exit to where a prison transport van would be waiting. Judge listened to the arguments and then handed down his sentence. I can't remember exactly what was asked of me, not much though, I'd taken 50mg of diazepam before the sentencing to calm myself down a bit.
@irreverend_ I've been a witness at a crown court case, I was the only witness really so I was allowed to sit in through the whole thing. It was interesting at times, other times it was boring. The barristers discussed some stuff with the judge before the jury came in then the barristers from each side gave an opening statement, then the prosecution spoke to me then the defence barrister spoke to me, then they repeated that with the defendant. Apart from when he was giving evidence the defendant was locked in bullet proof glass dock which I don't like, it gives a bad impression to the jury imo, they should be sat with the defence team like they do in America. Then the barristers gave closing arguments and the judge gave the jury their instructions and they went to deliberate. Everyone was told to stay close to the courtroom ready for a verdict. It was quite exciting when the jury came back, they found the defendant guilty but then one girl jumped up crying saying she'd been bullied into finding a guilty verdict so the judge had to call a mistral and we had to do it all again.
@@CW1971 Yeah, I didn't feel it made me look good being locked behind glass under guard, as if I hadn't been at home on bail earlier that morning and turned up without causing any trouble. Had there been a jury it would certainly make it look like I'd been remanded to custody prior to trial because I'm such a danger to society, rather than just being sent home the morning after being arrested and just told not to contact the alleged victims. Odd that one of the jurors in the case you mentioned was bullied into saying guilty, I can't imagine that happens often. Was the defendant found guilty the second time around?
@@reactingtomyroots Always happy to help if I can. There's probably a video online somewhere of a mock trial thinking about it, which would let you see how it actually is. And yes they do wear the wigs :)
@irreverend_ yes he was found guilty second time round. The judge said he'd never seen anything like that happening with a jury member standing up saying they'd been bullied
It is not to long a go that you would get a birch cane beating for stealing and other small crimes, Sometimes it was better to go to prison rather than getting the birch beating, You generally find that there wasn’t many repeat a fenders after the beating, They have stopped using the birch now.
I’d never heard of this place before. I love watching documentaries on the world’s worst prisons,so seeing this one was hilarious! Loved it when the warden was telling the inmate his moisturiser had arrived😂😂
This just goes to show. No matter how tough or easy a prison is. People still don't want to go there. So neither type of prison is right or wrong. Time is time, and we all like our freedom.
I visited the Isle of Man many years ago, people mentioned they had very little crime there at the time & they said there’s no where to go when you live on an island, so one’s get caught easily & quickly, no escape lol
This is what all prisons should be like. However, I would keep the most hardened criminals is a separate wing. Jails and prisons rightly are places of corrections and prayerfully rehabilitation. They should not be places where people are denigrated, punished again and again, treated violently, and where ones sense of humanity is broken. Once a person is broken in such a way, it is incredibly difficult to turn it back around. Peace
Hiya Steve and Lindsey, if you've noticed the people from Isle of Man (known as Manx) sound like people from Liverpool, Ive only been to Isle of Man once,that was in 1981,this is Choppy
I would recommended you watching a TH-cam video on the Isle of Man itself. As you could see from this program it is both a very beautiful and interesting island.
IoM prison isn't typical of British prisons which run the gamut of damp Victorian/banged up 23 hours a day to open prisons for posh people (I.e. Jeffrey Archer) and those close to release... when charged with an offence the judge can grant bail with or without conditions/takes note if police oppose (flight risk/reoffend/risk to victim etc) and will remand... it can take years before trial. Otherwise accused might be ordered to live elsewhere/wear ankle monitor/sign into police regularly. Prisons have been seriously underfunded hence early release of inmates... it doesn't matter how good the facilities are, if you can't come and go and do your own thing when you want.
The isle of man doesn't come under UK legal jurisdiction so they can make their own laws which is why they're so harsh. Up until the mid nineties you could get strokes of the Birch a whip made of hazel canes lashed together. This was used for minor offences and was a punishment often given to boys.
We had a prison near us . A ladies prison in Hockley Essex. It’s closed down now but there was a programme on it a while ago. I remember lots of the women saying they purposefully reoffended because it was a better life for them in prison than it was in the real world
Anything narrated by Stephen Fry is gonna be good. Isle of Man is a very unusual place If you want to have a prison experience you could stay in the Dana.. Shrewsbury Old prison
This isn't too typical of prisons in the UK, some of the layout can be similar but in the UK, especially England prisons are bigger, way more overcrowded, much more violent and chaotic than this place. Women's prisons are also separate from man's, unlike this place. Some are locked up 23hrs a day, two person to a cell and the prisons are flooded with drugs, phones, shanks etc.
Still much better than prisons in the US though. I know someone who is a dual citizen and has spent time in a US prison and also a UK prison. He said UK prisons are like holiday camps and he was in one of the worst here in England.
@ oh yes, most certainly better compared to US prisons. I'm just pointing out that not all UK prisons, especially on the mainland are as laidback and chill as portrayed on the Isle of Man.
Criminals are humans, we have human rights and are treated with respect, It is for the police and courts to give out punishment, it is prison officer's job to keep them safe
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It said when introducing 'Goldie' that he was 'on remand' which is when you are detained in prison awaiting trial - usually this occurs if your alleged crime was violent. If found not guilty he would be released immediately, but if found guilty, the time already served on remand would be taken off his total sentence. Remand prisoners are kept in the samme prisons as convicted criminals, but usually on a separate wing, where rules are slightly different. Visiting time might run 5 days a week- but each prisoner only gets 2 visits per week. ABH= Actual Bodily Harm. Less serious than GBH - Grievous Bodily Harm- but still serious. You might find it interesting to look at a more regular British Prison. I think you would find it was part way between a US Prison and the Isle of Man prison. Here's a shortish documentary about life in Wandsworth Prison (in London) which is a very different place. th-cam.com/video/hjb-eLUxT94/w-d-xo.html
I think you would find it fascinating to find out all about Jack the Ripper and his alleged royal connections. I love watching your Vlogs and even I learn a lot about the UK and I'm a Brit, lol 😊😂
@@Joseph13163 Steve and Lindsay at 16:26 wish to compare US with UK trials. so pointing out a problem with this idea does Isle of Man allow filming in court?
@@nigelmacbug6678 He said Uk or ireland aswell,certainly isn't allowed in ireland otherwise there would be tons of videos on youtube pertaining to the connor mcgregor civil case.I don't know about the IOM but i imagine they are very few trials worth filming i mean a good % of the population would be in the court room and the rest of the story spread by word of mouth.
Against the European courts ruling they have kept the punishment of the birch. They say because they have it, they do not have to use. What ever the charge they would have criminal record which would stop them having a visa to many countries.
For serious offences, 20 YEARS locked up IS a harsh sentence, irrespective of how 'nice' the surroundings are. The punishment is losing your freedom, NOT being brutalised in the prison on top of that. Violent surroundings encourage violent behaviour; conversely, being treated like a human being will tend to make one treat others likewise. I'm not a 'snowflake' (or whatever the derogatory term is these days), I adhere to do the crime, do the time... but MOST criminals don't consider the possibility of going to prison when committing their crime, so sentences like 'life without the possibility of parole' make no sense to me, as there is no incentive for rehabilitation. Of course, there are prisoners who will always be a danger to the public, and who therefore should never be released. ...I'm drifting from my point, sorry! My point IS that loss of liberty is a harsh punishment in itself, irrespective of how many gym hours, etc you get. If nice surroundings coupled with learning opportunities helps a prisoner become a better person, then that's all to the good, I think. Norway has a VERY cushy prison system, with violent offenders being housed in very nice conditions, with the emphasis, again, being on rehabilitation, and, like the IoM, there is a 1:1 prisoner:guard ratio. This, however, is expensive, which explains why places with a lot of public funding streams, like Norway, IoM etc are able to have such progressive prison systems. Whew! That's a long post. Sorry!😉
Don't confuse British and UK. Isle Of Man residents are British citizens, but not part of the UK. And there are similar prisons in the UK, but they are usually for long term prisoners to readjust before release, search as Kirklevington Grange.
This is NOT in Britain, or Great Britain, or the UK, or even in England. The Isle of Man is a self-governing Crown Dependency, over which the UK parliament has no jurisdiction other than in matters of defence and international relations. Think Guam or US Virgin Islands for comparison.
sets people up for a normal life wen they leave, rewarding good behavior and having hobbies and education are habbits that are good t take out. rather than chaos
It is illegal to have cameras in a UK courtroom. This is why you only see artist sketches of the proceedings.
Not quite but mostly. You can record sentencing in Crown Court in England, High Court for appeals, and Court of Appeal, but only in some cases and only recently. You have always been able to record the Supreme Court since until 2009 it was the House of Lords and thus Parliament not court and now it is a court it is outside the old legislation. This is English (and Welsh) law, the UK is not a single jurisdiction and the laws vary in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Isle of Mann is not in the UK but is a Crown Dependency.
That's not true any more. Cameras can be allowed in to courts now to record proceedings and alike bit sometimes rhe identity of the defendant is obscured/pixilated but not always. The Scottish High Court has caes from within court during proceedings and sentencing thatve been recorded shown on our news here. It's still usual to see court artist sketches, though rather than an image or recording of the defendant in the Dock.
I like the comment that being sent to prison is the punishment not to be punished. Being away from your family and friends and possibly losing your job could be a deterrent.
If only that were true!
@christineharding4190 It is, the conditions of prison being harsh reduces its impact not increases it. Everyone I've ever heard interviewed about prison in any country harsh or lenient, will tell you the worst part is not being able to see your family and live your life. Anything worse feels like rubbing salt in a wound and makes them bitter and resentful, as opposed to deterring them, because the time without freedom is enough to have whatever deterrent it provides, so it being worse doesn't deter them more.
The offence of ABH is "Actual Bodily Harm" which essentially means you physically harmed someone, but didn't cause severe or long-term injury. Injuries up to minor fractures caused by assault and battery are generally considered ABH.
More severe injuries would get you the more serious offence of GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm)
The one time I did jury service the charges were ABH and GBH. Basically we had to decide whether he had attacked his ex and if so whether breaking her nose counted as GBH. We found him guilty of ABH.
Remember that the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, but is within the archipelago of the British Isles.
True, but the IOM is a crown dependency and the people are British Citizens ... until 1975 it also held the motorcycle British grand prix ...
@ hi. Yes I know but I was just pointing out that you shouldn’t think that just because this is how it is in the IOM that the same happens in the UK - same with the Baliwicks of Jersey and of Guernsey in the Channel Islands 🙂
@@jeanlawley6483 Although a self governing Crown Dependency it has had adopted or had many English laws imposed on it, it is only in the last few years that Westminster allowed it to keep all the VAT raised on the island, Westminster refused that change for a long time as not liking British Isles Tax Havens or any tax haven that UK companies can avail of by registering their head office there. It also has the oldest Parliament in the world, the Tynwald. The whole island can be isolated and was used as a detention centre for German and Italian citizens resident in the UK during the early part of WWII. Many stayed on when released and some of their descendants are still residents on the island being Manx.
Interesting history about the Crown Dependency of the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man Purchase Act of 1765 purchased the feudal rights of the Dukes of Atholl as Lords of Man over the Isle of Man, and revested them into the British Crown. The bill did not go as far as it had been proposed: for a period there had been plans to merge the Isle of Man into the English county of Cumberland now Cumbria.fierce resistance from the inhabitants, led by the then Speaker of the House of Keys, Sir George Moore.
You can actually take cameras into a prison in the UK so you’re totally wrong now just like they’ve done here with the Isle of Man. You have to get permission to film inside the prison that’s all if you go through the right channels and get permission you can do.
The Ilsle of man is apart of the British territories & they are governed by the PM& Westminster.
The man who represents himself famously “has a fool for a client”
Exactly! Even lawyers don’t defend themselves in court, they hire an attorney.
Trust lawyers are absolutely useless, it's just a money grab.
The Isle of Man was one of the last parts of the British isles to outlaw 'the birch' which involved the corporal punishment [thrashing] of criminals [or more typically young 'tear-aways' or hooligans on drunken holidays from Glasgow or Liverpool] with a birch-tree branch
Hi from the Isle of Man, this is our version off a holiday camp, a lot of real serious crimes get sent to the mainland to serve long sentences in higher security prisons
That makes sense! Thanks for sharing. :)
Butlins down the North. Sad part is those in there have probably been in and out twice over since it was filmed.
The mainland as in uk? But I just read a comment saying isle of man not part of UK 🤷♂️
Not always
Isle of Man is in the British Isles but not in the EU
In UK we don't have the jail then prison system. There's just prison. The court decides if you can go home on bail (with various conditions if need be) or you're to go 'on remand' (awaiting trial ) in prison where everyone is treated the same whether they've been convicted or not yet gone to trial.
I am guessing that the narrator of this is Stephen Fry.
the thing with little Islands (I live in Jersey in the Channel Islands) is that the police deal with the same local criminals all the time. this is why the guy is so friendly with the warders. another factor about it being an Island, even if you breakout, you have to use a port (sea or air) to get away. so you would be lucky to not get caught within 24hrs. this is why Island prison are nothing like the mainland ones.
It's definitely Fry, his voice is instantly recognisable 😌
That's a good point!
@reactingtomyroots If you looked at prisons on mainland in the UK you wouldnt get as rosy a picture. There not as bad as most US prisons but they can be pretty violent and scary places especially Catagory A and B prisons.
This is true, I came to live in the IOM 🇮🇲 nearly 40 yrs ago and it’s the same names in the local paper every so often. One of the main headlines when I came here was that 30 pints of milk was stolen from a shop front in the early hours. You won’t get far here and was often said if someone took your car it was so they could get home after a night out! 😆 I leave my car unlocked and the back door is always unlocked. These days though with more people coming to live here crime has increased and it’s not locals who are doing it. Island life is changing
If you’re looking for British true crime documentaries I’d recommend Merseyside detectives and 24 hours in police custody. I would really love to see you react to them. Love from Wales 🏴
If you think this is different, check out the Norwegian prison system, where you get a ticket telling you when to turn up to start your prison sentence, taught a trade, and have nice accommodation, sometimes with the ability to come and go from the prison within certain hours. The reoffending rate is very, very low. The Norwegian justice system focuses on preventing there being another victim of future crime above all else.
That's were killers can come in and out if I remember rightly
@@janolaful Yep
They also have access to a fully stocked supermarket within the prisons in Nkrway too where inmates can buy everything and anything they could do in a regular supermarket outside the confines of the prison. And most are actually open prisons that allow then to go out in public and return by a certain time too. Some even have outside jobs or have managed to keep their enployment and go omto their regukar work (if they didnt lose it after sentencing) to carry on and not lose value in being a 'priductive' citizen. Though those serving life etc are exempt from the 'open' system and have to remain confined in the prison estates. But still have access to everything else any other inmate would, just not the ability to leave the grounds.
@janolaful killers n those on a life se tender cabt just come n go in an 'open' prison type system there. But those with lesser sentences for less serious crimes certainly can and do. Some even have day jobs out with the prison they go tomorrow every day n back on the prison estate by a certain time for lick up, etc. A murderer won't be allowed off the prison grounds and will be restricted to their own wing locked down in the wig. Thiugh they have access to the fully sticked supermarket (like an outside one), the library music room, art studio, and alike.
"You lost 7 Kg while you were with us"... Just like booking into an expensive health spa. 😎🤣
Minor criminals getting put in with hardcore criminal, doesn't work so great, they either can't cope and suicide or breakdowns can happen, or they mix with people that take them under their wing and they make connections with the career criminals when they get out, and change from minor to major criminals, so i think prisons like this can help with keeping the minor criminals at a basic level
Yeah, I would agree with that!
Just a quick FYI… We don’t have cameras in UK court, except the recent change that shows the judge passing sentence and him/her only on camera.
The first televised sentencing th-cam.com/video/msjuiJkQ698/w-d-xo.html
A video showing how a crown court works. - th-cam.com/video/tZYvv_s5R-s/w-d-xo.html - Very similar to the one where I did jury service
A TV series from the 70s based on UK trials called Crown Court - th-cam.com/video/p5Tba-NukYU/w-d-xo.html - the jury were members of the public and they would prepare different endings to be used according to the verdict
I remember seeing that. They are taking the piss in there. Its a holiday camp.
The Isle of Mann isnt actually part of Britain or the UK but it is a British Crown Dependency and because of its Geographical position on the Planet is classed as part of the British Isles Archepeligo.
The Isle of Mann actually has its own Govt and its own Constitutional legal system that is independent from the UK
We call it the Jurby Hilton over here
Also known as the Jurby Hilton, because it's like a hotel.
In the UK and most jurisdictions based on it, there is no distinction between jail and prison. There are remand prisons and training prisons which have similar functions to jails and us prisons respectively but they are not strictly separated and with a prison overcrowding crisis, there is increasingly common trend of just putting them where there is room. The Isle of Mann only has one prison as far as I'm aware anyway.
ABH - Actual Bodily Harm
No one should ever try to defend themselves in court, lawyers may well be unpleasant but for the most part they know their way around a courtroom.
It's not unusual in the UK for prisoners on remand to be held in prisons while awaiting their trial dates. The UK legal system works slowly.
Whilst true its faster than most US states
@PCDelorian I think our remand prisons are the same as county jails though
There's little or no evidence that harsher conditions in prison reduces crime. Yet there are some people that constantly call for more 'punishing' of criminals and less rehabilitation, which they regard as being 'soft on crime'. It's basically a revenge mentality, since it's not based on reducing social harm, but more on 'getting even' - making a wrongdoer suffer.
Prison over here is different if your a flight risk or don’t stick to bail conditions u will be remanded in custody until your trial prison/jail here is the same thing that applies to men & women prisoners av done a bit myself back in the day so “little holiday camp” most prisons over here also if it’s a violent crime or murder u don’t “pass go “ 🥴
You should try 999 What is your need the police ones, as they do a few different ones.
The prison is nicknamed 'the jurby hilton' for a reason. The design of the prison is so the guards sit in the centre section (glass roof) so they can see down all the prison wings clearly simultaneously 24/7.
You laughing at the Britishness of this cracked me up 😂
Also, check out the Isles of Scilly for beautiful landscapes! 😍
We loved it. haha And thank you for the suggestion--we'll add that to our list :)
The way this program alone so easily humanises convicts. Prisoners are human beings! It’s uncomfortable but it’s true. They deserve human right and human considerations
Hi guys, wow that was amazing.👍🏼
Actual bodily harm (ABH) and grievous bodily harm (GBH) are two different types of assault, and they’re both criminal offences under the offences against the Person Act 1861, the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and the Police Act 1996. They can both be committed either intentionally or recklessly; however, the severity of the consequences for these two crimes can vary considerably.
We don't have jails in the UK only prisons. I presume the isle of man is the same?
Even lawyers don’t represent themselves in court! It’s always a bad idea. Reading a couple of books will not help you in court. That’s why the best lawyers earn a lot of money, they put in the long hours to build their case. My friend is a defence lawyer and he spends weeks going over every item in a situation to build the best possible defence for his client. He’s a very skilled attorney!
The "middle" or centre of the star is where the staff are located.Its deliberately designed as a wheel with spokes so that it only takes the least amount of staff to supervise all the individual wings(spokes).
Okay, that makes sense!
@@reactingtomyroots Yeah,the fella that designed them was an English/American chap called John Havilland.There's still a good few of his designs in use up and down the UK.
He also designed the Eastern State Penitentiary, in Fairmount,Philadelphia.
(Al Capone served time there apparently).
Being sent to prison and losing your freedom, is the punishment, in most civilised countries. The US, unfortunately, is on a list with the usual suspects, (China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, etc.) that thinks that losing your freedom isn't enough and looks to punish them even further. Hard labour and/or forced labour, are among the controversial practices used in these countries. Stephen Fry (the narrator) talks about it in an episode of QI, where he lists off all the goods sold in the US, that are made by US prisoners. Even your prison system is about making a profit! Your politicians aren't interested in rehabilitation for prisoners, as they would lose a valuable work resource!
Back in the 70's, my brother spent a month in the old Douglas prison. He really enjoyed his time there. He had daily work outside the prison accompanied by an officer. At the end of the day, he'd have to knock on the prison door to get back in, then they'd order him a McDonald's for his evening meal. As the video cllaims, you get sent to prison *as* punishment, not *for* punishment.
Just so you know this series isn’t exactly what the prison is like yeah sure as prisons go it is very well kept and it’s almost like a little community but at the end of the day it’s still a prison not a holiday there’s a decent amount of violence naturally cos well it’s a prison and it’s also very boring I’m from the Isle of Man btw and I have had a family member serve time in the prison
I know one bloke I a UK prison and he was earning more than some of the staff. He was trained for biohazard work so anytime someone crapped the bed or blood was spilt he was sent to clean it up. Every morning he'd go to the hospital wing and get £15 a bed. He received so much because he was basically on call 24hour and could get woken at night to clean something up
The UK doesn’t distinguish between jails and prisons. We only have prison which will hold convicted criminals and those held on remand waiting for trial. The exception is that police stations have cells but these are only used for very short term stays, until someone is formally charged.
Oh okay! Didn't realize that.
Court cases aren't televised in the UK but a relevant TV programme that might interest you is 'Murder, Mystery and My Family'. Wouldn't mind watching you react to an episode of that.
The thing is you have to have nice things so you can take them away. If they're life is awful anyway, there is no threat of making it worse.
And some live lives so bad that prison is actually better.
Stephen Fry (the commentary and beloved comedian) spent a few months in prision for credit card fraud as a teen, he said the experience was profound for him and he has spoke alot about prison, reform and peoples stereotypical ideas of prisioners
I live on the Isle of Man, it’s probably the nicest most chill prison in the world but the sentencing for crimes is the harshest, that’s what it means by the toughest prison sentencing, because they give out prison sentences for crimes that would be a slap on the wrist or a fine in most other countries
As other people have said, there aren't any cameras during trials over here but there are motions going through to possibly have them in the future, we do have some sentencing hearings broadcast which can be interesting sometimes.
It's crazy that Goldie was held in jail for that long pernding a trial, I'm sure over on the mainland he'd be out until his trial. Unless he had a really bad record of offending. And that's a really long time to wait to go to court over a basic ABH charge although it does happen that way sometimes. Then other times the trial comes really quickly even for a serious crime, my daughters friend was killed by 2 other friends and their trial was only about 6 or 8 months after the murder so it just depends. Their sentencing was broadcast on Sky News Courts TH-cam channel and i thought it was quite interesting although maybe that's just because i knew the people involved.
Very interesting , can’t believe how lenient they are here, it’s more like a holiday camp/youth club than a prison. I would enjoy more police/crime reactions for sure x
As usual Steve ..Lyndsay's hunches are spot on
fun fact, the treadmill was invented in a British prison! getting the intimates to generate energy like a work horse - so gyms have always been a big part!
Presuming you mean a treadwheel, they have been used for centuries. The Romans used them.
@@monkeymox2544 The penal treadmill, also known as the "everlasting staircase," was invented in 1818 by British engineer Sir William Cubitt while observing idle prisoners at Bury St Edmunds prison. The first prototypes were installed at Bury St Edmunds Gaol and Brixton House of Correction. The concept quickly gained popularity, and by 1824, at least 54 prisons across Britain had installed treadmills. The system spread beyond Britain to Ireland, North America, and Australia
@@Enhancedlies Right... but it is basically just the same treadwheel that had existed for centuries already. Just put into a prison, and I guess elongated so more people could walk on it. The only real difference is that the penal treadmill sometimes had no productive output.
I just think it's a bit of a stretch to say that the treadmill was 'invented' in a British prison. Anyone at the time, looking at one, would have found it to be a recognisable piece of pre-existing technology.
@@monkeymox2544 not really, saying the Romans had it is a stretch. They had a hamster wheel that could lift fairly heavy objects. not access the energy to pump water, turn grain or whatever else. but yes dw im not claiming Britain invented the idea of energy transfer
I think the Isle of Man was the last place in the British Isles to abolish the death penalty.
That’s interesting!🏴
You would probably represent yourself if the costs are too high. See, for example, the "McLibel" where two ordinary people in the UK fought McDonalds _for ten years_ in a libel case and sort of won in the end. They were not big earners and so gradually, over the years, became experts in libel law. The interesting thing is that they did get some help - from one Keir Starmer, our current Prime Minister when he was a jobbing lawyer. McDonalds spent _millions_ on the case the McLibel two, 30 grand. McDonalds eventually tried to settle and had a meeting with the pair in which they (McDonalds) said they would drop the case if the pair only criticised McDonalds privately to friends and not in public. The McLibel pair responded that they would agree if McDonalds dropped all advertising and only recommended their restaurants, privately, to friends. It ultimately led to changes in UK libel laws and revelations about dodgy police undercover tactics. There is a full documentary about all this - including reconstruction of actual court scenes - on YT (McLibel full documentary).
We don't have a bail-system like you do. So if the crime is serious enough, you're remanded to prison before going to trial. If you're not guilty in court- then you just walk out of the court. If guilty then it's back to the prison for the sentence (with the remand-time deducted from the sentence).
Or if you were in remand long enough it's a quick cheerio with a time served.
@@vinnyganzano1930 Goes without saying that if your remand time exceeds what the sentence is- then you already served it and walk. (I covered that when I said time-included.)
Yes no money is ever involved like in the US.
Best place to get pork chops too!🤣🤣
We don’t have cameras in the court room here but there was a series on channel 4 a few years ago where they did allow it. The case was where a man was believed to have killed his wife and his daughters were supporting him or something but I think it might be called the trial it’s a documentary but I didn’t watch it all
Sounds like he has been in trouble before with violence. I’m shocked with this prison
Hi guys, i went to the TT races and when the roads are closed during the race it's an offence to step on the road, a man from New Zealand was drunk and crossed the road, he was put in prison for 6 weeks and banned from the races for life!! Love you both ❤
Wow! Thanks for sharing that. If we ever visit we'll be sure to never make that mistake 😬
I live on the Isle of Man, the prison is known to be one of the most relaxed prisons 😅
It definitely seems like it! haha
As others have mentioned cameras aren't allowed in court proceedings. I couldn't tell you how a trial with a jury goes, as I pled guilty at crown court so there was no need for a jury. The sentencing essentially involved two barristers, one for my defence, one for the prosecution, giving their reasons why I shouldn't be too harshly sentenced in my defence, and why I should get the maximum from the prosecution. I was under guard in a locked booth at the side of the courtroom with an exit to where a prison transport van would be waiting. Judge listened to the arguments and then handed down his sentence. I can't remember exactly what was asked of me, not much though, I'd taken 50mg of diazepam before the sentencing to calm myself down a bit.
Thanks for sharing your firsthand experience!
@irreverend_ I've been a witness at a crown court case, I was the only witness really so I was allowed to sit in through the whole thing. It was interesting at times, other times it was boring. The barristers discussed some stuff with the judge before the jury came in then the barristers from each side gave an opening statement, then the prosecution spoke to me then the defence barrister spoke to me, then they repeated that with the defendant. Apart from when he was giving evidence the defendant was locked in bullet proof glass dock which I don't like, it gives a bad impression to the jury imo, they should be sat with the defence team like they do in America.
Then the barristers gave closing arguments and the judge gave the jury their instructions and they went to deliberate.
Everyone was told to stay close to the courtroom ready for a verdict.
It was quite exciting when the jury came back, they found the defendant guilty but then one girl jumped up crying saying she'd been bullied into finding a guilty verdict so the judge had to call a mistral and we had to do it all again.
@@CW1971 Yeah, I didn't feel it made me look good being locked behind glass under guard, as if I hadn't been at home on bail earlier that morning and turned up without causing any trouble. Had there been a jury it would certainly make it look like I'd been remanded to custody prior to trial because I'm such a danger to society, rather than just being sent home the morning after being arrested and just told not to contact the alleged victims.
Odd that one of the jurors in the case you mentioned was bullied into saying guilty, I can't imagine that happens often. Was the defendant found guilty the second time around?
@@reactingtomyroots Always happy to help if I can. There's probably a video online somewhere of a mock trial thinking about it, which would let you see how it actually is. And yes they do wear the wigs :)
@irreverend_ yes he was found guilty second time round. The judge said he'd never seen anything like that happening with a jury member standing up saying they'd been bullied
It is not to long a go that you would get a birch cane beating for stealing and other small crimes, Sometimes it was better to go to prison rather than getting the birch beating, You generally find that there wasn’t many repeat a fenders after the beating, They have stopped using the birch now.
I’d never heard of this place before. I love watching documentaries on the world’s worst prisons,so seeing this one was hilarious! Loved it when the warden was telling the inmate his moisturiser had arrived😂😂
haha yeah that was pretty great! It's quite a fascinating subject.
This just goes to show. No matter how tough or easy a prison is. People still don't want to go there. So neither type of prison is right or wrong. Time is time, and we all like our freedom.
I did time on remand in this prison, it's very laid back in there. I was recognised by two inmates and three guards from the nightclubs.
I visited the Isle of Man many years ago, people mentioned they had very little crime there at the time & they said there’s no where to go when you live on an island, so one’s get caught easily & quickly, no escape lol
Let me guess, you thought the Bee Gees were American 😂
I have never heard of this place. I’m British and I’m shocked by this place too
"He who represents himself has a fool for a client"
"Can I Go?" Have you been a bad boy?
Now check out Norwegian prisons...
This is what all prisons should be like. However, I would keep the most hardened criminals is a separate wing. Jails and prisons rightly are places of corrections and prayerfully rehabilitation. They should not be places where people are denigrated, punished again and again, treated violently, and where ones sense of humanity is broken. Once a person is broken in such a way, it is incredibly difficult to turn it back around. Peace
The prison is a panopticon. Basically you can see down all the cell corridors and surveillance is the root of the tower with corridors fired off.
Hiya Steve and Lindsey, if you've noticed the people from Isle of Man (known as Manx) sound like people from Liverpool, Ive only been to Isle of Man once,that was in 1981,this is Choppy
Now that you mention it, yes I do see that similarity!
I would recommended you watching a TH-cam video on the Isle of Man itself. As you could see from this program it is both a very beautiful and interesting island.
Altcourse prison in Liverpool is similar it’s nickname is the golf course as it’s so cushy
We don't record or take photos in uk courtrooms so you can't watch a trial. We have artists that draw stretches and that's about it....
ABH is basically to cause some hurt or injury which is beyond merely trivial but not so grave as to amount to GBH.
It’s only nice because this camera is there from the TV. It’s totally different place when the cameras aren’t there..
IoM prison isn't typical of British prisons which run the gamut of damp Victorian/banged up 23 hours a day to open prisons for posh people (I.e. Jeffrey Archer) and those close to release... when charged with an offence the judge can grant bail with or without conditions/takes note if police oppose (flight risk/reoffend/risk to victim etc) and will remand... it can take years before trial. Otherwise accused might be ordered to live elsewhere/wear ankle monitor/sign into police regularly. Prisons have been seriously underfunded hence early release of inmates... it doesn't matter how good the facilities are, if you can't come and go and do your own thing when you want.
who sent that? you deserve a George Cross. Dry your eyes mate , fabulous
The isle of man doesn't come under UK legal jurisdiction so they can make their own laws which is why they're so harsh. Up until the mid nineties you could get strokes of the Birch a whip made of hazel canes lashed together. This was used for minor offences and was a punishment often given to boys.
We should bring it back.
@vinnyganzano1930 there were ways round it. There are stories of recipients wearing two pairs of jeans and three pairs of underpants 🤣🤣🤣
The birch was last used in the Isle of Man in 1976 and was removed from law in 1993.
If i remember correctly, isn't a public birching still on Manxs statute books, or has it been abolished, anyone know the answer?
Abolished
@davidkeates1107 thanks
We had a prison near us . A ladies prison in Hockley Essex. It’s closed down now but there was a programme on it a while ago. I remember lots of the women saying they purposefully reoffended because it was a better life for them in prison than it was in the real world
I'd never heard of this, so interesting!
It really was! We wanna find out what happens next 😂
@ we’ll have to search for the next in series 🤣
If thats their ' closed jails' Their open Category D jails must be something else .😊
Anything narrated by Stephen Fry is gonna be good.
Isle of Man is a very unusual place
If you want to have a prison experience you could stay in the Dana.. Shrewsbury Old prison
This isn't too typical of prisons in the UK, some of the layout can be similar but in the UK, especially England prisons are bigger, way more overcrowded, much more violent and chaotic than this place. Women's prisons are also separate from man's, unlike this place. Some are locked up 23hrs a day, two person to a cell and the prisons are flooded with drugs, phones, shanks etc.
Still much better than prisons in the US though. I know someone who is a dual citizen and has spent time in a US prison and also a UK prison. He said UK prisons are like holiday camps and he was in one of the worst here in England.
@ oh yes, most certainly better compared to US prisons. I'm just pointing out that not all UK prisons, especially on the mainland are as laidback and chill as portrayed on the Isle of Man.
Criminals are humans, we have human rights and are treated with respect, It is for the police and courts to give out punishment, it is prison officer's job to keep them safe
ABH: actual bodily harm
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Don't forget that they maybe over reacting cus the cameras are there
Yeah, good point 😂
It said when introducing 'Goldie' that he was 'on remand' which is when you are detained in prison awaiting trial - usually this occurs if your alleged crime was violent. If found not guilty he would be released immediately, but if found guilty, the time already served on remand would be taken off his total sentence. Remand prisoners are kept in the samme prisons as convicted criminals, but usually on a separate wing, where rules are slightly different.
Visiting time might run 5 days a week- but each prisoner only gets 2 visits per week.
ABH= Actual Bodily Harm. Less serious than GBH - Grievous Bodily Harm- but still serious.
You might find it interesting to look at a more regular British Prison. I think you would find it was part way between a US Prison and the Isle of Man prison.
Here's a shortish documentary about life in Wandsworth Prison (in London) which is a very different place. th-cam.com/video/hjb-eLUxT94/w-d-xo.html
Thanks, Caroline! We will bookmark that. Hope you're doing well :)
I think you would find it fascinating to find out all about Jack the Ripper and his alleged royal connections.
I love watching your Vlogs and even I learn a lot about the UK and I'm a Brit, lol 😊😂
I am English, and that is a prison that I wouldn't mind going to, as this isnt the norm.
Definitely different to any prison I've ever seen. Just to point out only ever been inside the walls for deliveries not as a guest 😂😂
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It looks like a holiday camp 🏕
Try looking looking at Belmarsh Prison in South London it's a high security Cat A prison then you will see the difference
The punishment is loss of freedom. You shouldn’t be punished further.
no cameras allowed inside UK courts, so only court dramas
Its not the Uk as such though its a self governing crown dependency
@@Joseph13163 Steve and Lindsay at 16:26 wish to compare US with UK trials. so pointing out a problem with this idea
does Isle of Man allow filming in court?
@@nigelmacbug6678 He said Uk or ireland aswell,certainly isn't allowed in ireland otherwise there would be tons of videos on youtube pertaining to the connor mcgregor civil case.I don't know about the IOM but i imagine they are very few trials worth filming i mean a good % of the population would be in the court room and the rest of the story spread by word of mouth.
@@nigelmacbug6678no
Against the European courts ruling they have kept the punishment of the birch. They say because they have it, they do not have to use. What ever the charge they would have criminal record which would stop them having a visa to many countries.
You should look at Monster Mansion in Wakefield for the opposite of this.
Trust me there are a whole host of prisons like that in the states but they are reserved for the powerful
Best prison is on jersey Channel Islands , bet he threw glass of water just to get away from his missus 🤣
Morning Steve and Lindsay. 😀
Hello Wendy! :)
For serious offences, 20 YEARS locked up IS a harsh sentence, irrespective of how 'nice' the surroundings are. The punishment is losing your freedom, NOT being brutalised in the prison on top of that. Violent surroundings encourage violent behaviour; conversely, being treated like a human being will tend to make one treat others likewise. I'm not a 'snowflake' (or whatever the derogatory term is these days), I adhere to do the crime, do the time... but MOST criminals don't consider the possibility of going to prison when committing their crime, so sentences like 'life without the possibility of parole' make no sense to me, as there is no incentive for rehabilitation. Of course, there are prisoners who will always be a danger to the public, and who therefore should never be released. ...I'm drifting from my point, sorry! My point IS that loss of liberty is a harsh punishment in itself, irrespective of how many gym hours, etc you get. If nice surroundings coupled with learning opportunities helps a prisoner become a better person, then that's all to the good, I think. Norway has a VERY cushy prison system, with violent offenders being housed in very nice conditions, with the emphasis, again, being on rehabilitation, and, like the IoM, there is a 1:1 prisoner:guard ratio. This, however, is expensive, which explains why places with a lot of public funding streams, like Norway, IoM etc are able to have such progressive prison systems.
Whew! That's a long post. Sorry!😉
This in no way is like a British prison. Probably because it’s not British!
Don't confuse British and UK. Isle Of Man residents are British citizens, but not part of the UK. And there are similar prisons in the UK, but they are usually for long term prisoners to readjust before release, search as Kirklevington Grange.
We have open prisons.
This is NOT in Britain, or Great Britain, or the UK, or even in England. The Isle of Man is a self-governing Crown Dependency, over which the UK parliament has no jurisdiction other than in matters of defence and international relations. Think Guam or US Virgin Islands for comparison.
It's part of the British Isles so it sort of makes sense..
sets people up for a normal life wen they leave, rewarding good behavior and having hobbies and education are habbits that are good t take out. rather than chaos