Libertarianism May Never Recover From Dave Rubin's Epic Stupidity
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- In this Majority Report clip, can't believe the Koch brothers actually pay "Dim Bulb" Dave Rubin for these inept propaganda attempts.
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There goes Seder making fun of the cognitively impaired again smh
Rubin is ignorant and paid to be ignorant. Don't insult people with disabilities.
The wounded antelope 🤕
Jesus, i used to watch Rubin. I feel like an idiot. Also, i just bought a house and almost everyone from the water heater guy to electrician micky moused shit. Thank god for building codes and regulations
@@smellslikelayne same here maxwell, feel like an idiot :/
Hey I love your programming tutorials!
OP here taught me as much about web development as 2 years of college.
@@smellslikelayne what’s wrong with Peterson
@@alexdreyer5316 the bait of peterson is his psychology infused mythology but his politics are completely brain dead. He understands things like Gini coefficient yet he's practically a Randian
If a sky scraper falls down, destroying your business and the entire building it is in along with you and thousands of people because they didn't follow building codes, you could *JUST WRITE A YELP REVIEW* .
🤣🤣🤣
"YeLp ReViEw BrUh"
- rubin
*THE INTERNET IS UNDEFEATED* 10/10 comment
Statement of the year 😂😂😂😂
"You need an example of why a builder might cut corners and build a sub-par product? Watch videos of yourself." Ruthless.
Yelp review > professionally designed regulation. Can I have right wing funding now from millionaires?
MrSmallANDLoud He just snorts Koch.
Libertarianism is an intellectual dead end.....
American libertarianism?
712dal it's something to pull some ideas from. I loved it when kusenich and Paul would work together in congresss
712dal Libertatianism is useful in some areas and stupid in others, the same way government intervention is. Libertarian absolutism is a dead end.
Theres a reason their whole set of ideas are a meme here in Europe. Barely anyone takes these chancers seriously
US Libertarianism (and in general) is one of the stupidest things i've ever listened to! On an extreme case, someone could even make the argument that when your own country goes to war with another country you shouldn't even obey your superiors or that every war strategy should be "made on the fly by the best thinker at that point in time" XD. It is something really fkn stupid and dumb as pure Anarchism, because Individualism should always stop the moment you can personally interfere with someone else's life in a meaningful way, with no oversight from a completely unrelated and unattached (to someone's personal interests) group of people (Justice and Regulations) working for the overall well-being of everyone in society. There are some real Liberals in real-life, but you probably never seen or listened to them, because they actually do live their own existence outside of regular society with no desire to ever be a part of it to begin with... those i can, at least, respect and admire.
Being in construction for 30 years I can definitely attest that EVERY builder will try to get away with as much as they can unless someone comes by and forces them to follow the rules. I've even worked on sites where the builder had bribed the inspectors to not bother coming on site and all the spacing of studs and joists, etc were wider than the building code calls for. Saying that companies will self regulate is exactly like saying companies don't care about maximizing profits. Fucking ridiculous.
Redbeardian grenfell tower is a prime example of this.back in 2008 here in ireland there was a scandal where pork was contaminated with pcbs and dioxins and the 2015 horse meat scandal with them tainted with drugs used in horses with both highlighting the need for stricter regulation and that letting the market regulate itself was idiotic
Every Econ 101 class will have a chapter on negative externalities so I have no idea how it's possible to miss this
Joe “Don’t dunk on Rubin he’s cognitively limited ” Rogan
Going for fruit that low hanging is basically bullying.
Gert Eckhart : That was hilarious! 😂
I will forever love Sam Seder for the way that he just
stated with such specificity, ‘ Raison d’être ‘ !! ❤️🌍✌🏾
Dave Rubin actually lost a debate in a soft ball interview. That is truly an amazing feat!
He studied long and hard to avoid learning everything he needed to know for that encounter.
The point of regulation is to also disincentivize people from cutting corners.
RED WAVE He would embarrass Rogan
Dave Rubin sounds like me when I was 15, libertarian, and thought I knew everything
Greg B You were a libertarian at 15? Fs man 😂
Alex Leaud Arguably, but where did that come from? Who's a Muslim here?
Alex Leaud dude if you are not a russian troll you should be really embarassed
Usman Akhtar a wild 14 year old libertarian appears!
They're a bit like candyman, except they constantly turn up everywhere even if you don't ask for it.
Neil B It's weird tbh, you always got that weird tory kid in some class at school didn't you
Libertarians: The problem with socialism is that it doesn't understand selfish human nature.
Also libertarians: We don't need construction codes because builders want to build good buildings and also we can somehow private insurance our way out of global warming.
Yep
I've worked as a mason in both commercial and residential construction for over 20 years and if we didn't have building codes - and code enforcement/building inspectors, and the licensing of trades - I can just about guarantee you that any new construction would be a hazard. Where a general contractor and a subcontractor can cut corners, they will, and they do. Trust me. It's bad enough WITH the building codes. And I don't want to hear that "No one would do business with a contractor that would do that," Yeah, they would. And you likely have. Thank your local building inspector. There's a reason contractors hate them.
Nemo Nomad thank you!!!! I haven’t heard decent logic in ages
I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, where building codes are a suggestion. Electricals were a mess, with some outlets at 120v others at 220v. Ive exploded power sources not knowing the proper voltage being it wasn't indicated on the wall. The range was not grounded and I would get electrical shocks just making eggs in the morning, but eventually competition was going to fix my electrical issues
Jeddaz EightyOne IKR, I've been to Vietnam a few times and just Google Vietnam electric power lines. You just see bundles of electric wires everywhere, it's crazy.
Oh you mean a libertarian paradise?
As a member of the union building trades I can guarantee without codes companies would constantly try to force me to cut corners. Even now certain companies still do.
As an insurance defense attorney who does a lot of construction defect cases, I agree completely. For those of us in reality, Rave Dubin's nonsense is fucking hilarious.
I know it’s petty but 4 years later I still come back to these clips.
RIP Michael
Michael was so funny
Me too and RIP MB
The existence of regulation ITSELF is a strong argument against Libertarianism. We didn't pull these rules out of thin air, we did it to protect people.
Bret Reed - Most building regulations are lobbied by insurance companies to reduce the amount of claims they have to pay out NOT to save lives.
Even Bill Maher mocks the overstepping regulatory tendencies of liberals. And sorry, but ever heard of Regulatory Capture? Plus, politicians use their votes on regulatory power to "persuade" corporations to donate to them...hmmm...I'm thinking of how to vote on this upcoming bill...maybe a "donation" may help clarify my thoughts on which I'm gonna vote.
So, please don't be naive to think that all regulations are simply created for the "common good". Plus, just the notion of the common good is a tool used by politicians to rationalize more regulations...think of a hammer looking for a nail.
Daniel Love Even if that was true, the result is less deaths. What's your point?
Tracy Johnson I never said that all regulations are ideal, but I AM SAYING that attacking them the way Rubin does is fucking moronic.
Bret...I don't think Rubin is ATTACKING regulations as much as he's attempting (albeit not to well) to make the case that free markets are basically self regulating. It's simply not the case that, in a free market, businesses would run ramshod over consumers in a dog eat dog environment. For a business to survive, it has to build a reputation. It takes time to do so. And once it's succeeded in doing so, it doesn't want to jeopardize that by screwing over customers.
I'm not saying there wouldn't be (and are) unscrupulous bad actors out there. There's always going to be someone that's looking to make a quick buck. But we already have laws on the books protecting consumers against fraud and criminality.
I'm also not saying that free markets are a perfect economic system. Nothing is or can be. Not even saying to destroy all regulations, but to rather get back to allowing markets to be more self regulating.
And even in home building, you're going to need some regulations that force builders to use the proper materials (plumbing pipes, electrical wiring, gas lines, etc) that are up to code. But I have no doubt that there is overreach in regulations.
The country needs to heal. My hope is that all sides of the aisle can come together around the stupidity of Dave Rubin. #commonground
Unfortunately about half the country is just as stupid as Rave.
With so many right wing grifters competing with each other to get the attention of their billionaire sugar daddies you'd think these people would elevate each other to brilliant intellectual debaters due to their COMPETITION.
Things Dave Rubin is qualified to do: 1) nod in agreement at his far right guests 2) complain about hyper sensitive college students. Anything beyond that is outside of his range of...."knowledge"
Dave "It's Hard To Talk Sense With All This Koch In My Mouth" Rubin
I want to give this comment 2 thumbs up but I cant..
@@ashvsthedeadite6091 I'll provide that second thumb. 👍🏻😎
@@StevenEveral lmao ever make a comment then read it 5 months later and think whaa!? This is 2 thumbs up stuff.
Koch is a hell of a drug!!!
It's pretty addictive
When he said "builders wanna build things that are good", my mouth dropped. Rubin is dangerous, man. A confident fool.
Waaaaaaa “speech is dangerous!”
@@ChairmanMeow891 Uh, speech can be helpful or dangerous depending on what's being said and how many take it seriously. Pretty straight forward.
During the 80’s and 90’s in New Zealand we had a problem, we couldn’t build homes fast enough to keep up with demand. The problem essentially was that to build a home you needed to be a master builder, which was a regulatory qualification that was very hard to get. There just weren’t enough master builders to build all the homes. So the government deregulated the housing industry to allow for more builders to enter the market without requiring them to go through the process of qualifying as a MB. It worked, the homes got built. And within a decade those houses started to leak because they weren’t built properly. Kiwis subsequently lost millions on poorly built homes, many of which either required costly repairs or in some cases had to be torn down. The deregulation was a complete disaster and we’re still in the same position, not enough houses and rising prices. Dave Rubins entire argument is a crock of shit.
The problem with people like Dave is they fully embrace a political/economic philosophy without any thought given to how it works in reality. It’s far easier to pontificate over high minded ideals rather than actually checking the facts.
Look at Grenfell Tower Fire from last year in London... Building owners literally put FLAMMABLE cladding on the building i.e. CHOOSE to put cladding that can easily catch fire rather & spread than the one that didn’t ... JUST TO SAVED LITERALLY A FEW BUCKS PER SQUARE METER!!
& even in a well regulated country like U.K. (compared to US; not Europe) when there was no regulation there to counter it (among many other things); the owners didn’t give a shit & cut corners & 73 people lost their lives... I guess now the building owners are trembling with bad yelp reviews!!
But how EVIL & BAD it would’ve been if GOVERNMENT got involved earlier & a REGULATION existed that PREVENTED the easy spread of fire & maybe 73 people would’ve been alive! 🙄
What also didn’t help is that poor & lower middle income people lived there; so nobody cared!!
If that was a rich apartment condo... you bet your ass they would’ve put right cladding!!
But that is the whole point of REGULATIONS is; that these idiot libertarians don’t get... It’s like FreeSpeech laws; they aren’t there to protect popular speech; they exist to protect controversial speech.
These regulation are made to protect VULNERABLE PEOPLE; Rich & powerful aren’t worrying about shit like this.
You think Trump Tower need regulation to get best cladding?
It’s the towers that exist for poor & middle class people that need regulation & government oversight & protection; BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY POWER & INFLUENCE... & we’d rather see them alive & give good yelp reviews than see them dead & “fight back” with bad reviews!
Didn't a floor of Trump Tower catch fire because he refused to retrofit a spinkler system?
I think Rubin should be used for educational purposes. Students can listen to him talking about something, and then refute them one by one. It's easy enough.
This is what happens when your ideology becomes stronger than your common sense
The fact that Rubin has a show, gets paid to do talks, should be disturbing to people alone and let us know what world we live in. Joe isn't even trying to hammer him here. He's basically using common sense and that alone is making Dave look foolish. Again, this guy has his own show and gets paid to go places and talk. Smh
Dave Rubin obviously hadn’t heard of Grenfell Tower.
I'm supposed to be finishing an essay in order to graduate... and instead I'm watching Dave Rubin riciculing himself and Sam Seeder commenting over it.
I regret absolutely nothing.
John Aarson : just bang it out John!
“ Intellectually- “
It’s hilarious just hearing that word coming out of Dave Rubin’s mouth! 😂
It's nice think that all people are morally conscious, put all their effort into their jobs, don't lie steal and cheat, but that's just not the case. Some form of control and regulation is needed. The whole reason regulations were created was precisely the reason Joe stated, that people cut corners and half ass shit all the time.
Arturo Garza
Ohh when i starter reading your comment i thought you were talking about Dave :)
They love to privatize gains and socialize their loses its what they do.
I want Dave to look into the grenfell tower disaster that happened in the uk last year. If he was still saying the same thing about building regulations then he is not just stupid, he is evil
+Wint ... he'll just blame it on some batshit conspiracy theory.
The fundamental flaw of Libertarianism is it completely forgets history.
You mean ignores and doesn't care.
Without any regulations, businesses would make as much money as they can at the expense of others, and then just handle any complaints with lawyers and lobbying. They would have zero incentive to worry about the little guy’s yelp review.
I can understand the line of thought, if enough people talk badly about it no one will buy it and thus they will go out of business...but that line of thought falls apart when you reach the age of like 12 and realize, that's simply not how the world works.
Koch is a helluva drug.
Ham Burgler I know this is besides the point, but have you tried the new Quarter Pounder yet? If you have, how good is it?
The marketplace of ideas has a lot of room for stupidity.
You hand the post office a piece of paper with a 50 cent sticker attached to it, and they will hand deliver it to someone on the other side of the country within a couple days with 99.9999% reliability.
You can't get private industry to deliver anything for less than $15
And the post office also provides last mile small town & rural deliveries for Amazon and most online retailers, as they don't want to provide and maintain logistics for what would be low profit or loss making delivery routes.
This old video is freaking trending again cuz Rave Dubin was referred to as "cognitively impaired" on JRE
Jelly Means i need some source please
James Shakusky its on JRE david pakman video in the middle portion watch it. i died laughing poor rubin he can’t get a break
Jelly Means amazing
It's not as if Dave Rubin is uniquely stupid within the realms of right-wing libertarianism. He just reflects the general ignorance and foolishness of the right-wing libertarian movement, just like Gary Johnson, Ayn Rand, and all the other libertarians that call into Sam's show.
the truth lies within him, but it would lead him beyond himself
i like how rogan wasnt even trying to make him look stupid. when getting owned that badly is always smarter to admit you are wrong, than to thrash around like a drowning man.
Dave Rubin calling himself a "Classical Liberal" displays his economic and historical illiteracy. If he was a classical liberal, he would be talking about how landlords don't deserve to make money off their property because it is based on the exclusion of people from something they (the landlords) didn't work on. You know, like Adam Smith did.
@UserJWR: Adam Smith also warned about the dangers of unregulated capitalism, but to you see any of these "classical liberals" arguing for more regulations? No, a resounding no.
I will never tire of, Michael Brooks making fun of Dave Rubin.
I'm against regulation
I'm not against all regulation
A big problem with eliminating building codes is that the builder knows a lot about building things while the home buyer knows almost nothing about it. A home buyer may hire a home inspector before purchase, but even then he suffers since most home buyers will not make home purchases on a regular basis. Purchasers don't have the knowledge and resources to protect themselves from fraud.
Dave literally wants a corporate dystopia, lmao
It's what he's paid to push
Flint water fiasco is a classic example of why gov regulation and it's faithful execution is paramount for people's safety.
Rubin has lost his mind. I think his stress is coming from the corner he’s painted himself into as his sponsors are losing confidence.
It can't happen soon enough
As someone who's done a lot of construction its generally true that builders want to build things well. But this is not the actual problem. Without building codes the first dipshit that decides hurricane clips aren't important eventually it devolves to the lowest common denominator and everyone does it to save time and money becoming de facto standard not to install hurricane clips unless they are asked and billed for.
More importantly builders WANT building codes. They like and respect the building codes primarily because they know other builders can't skip over them to save a buck so there's no anxiety over not following the building codes even if it takes more time and money. Indeed standards, building codes and regulations give builders more freedom because they aren't shackled by market forces and are more able to be proud of their finished work.
Well in an idealized world builders could be educated on all building codes and be their own regulators. That I can believe until you introduce their professional biases and the incentives are to cut corners. The regulations aren't really on the builders they are on the market. If you want as a home owner you can tear out all your insulation but you can't sell it in that state.
RIP Michael Brooks, you will always be a legend.
Sam, I love you! As a Postal worker, it pains me every time some idiot starts erroneously attacking our wonderful Postal Service! With all the mind-numbing propaganda making the rounds with this current fascist regime, it scares me to death when my employer is included in attacks by the man-child president because he has a beef with Amazon. Thanks for going to bat so well for us!
Denise DeHosse the postal service sucks!!!
Thank you for your service.
Bottom line: libertarianism is infantile and naive
My favorite part is Rogan saying, “Oh that’s not true!”
That should be the automatic response to anything Dave says whenever he’s in hack mode, and shilling for the Kochs.
You could extend that default mode to Dubin's cronies: Peterson, Prager, Shapiro, Lauren Southern, Molyneux...
I like that Joe Rogan gives these people a safe space to make fools out of themselves.
Go back to CNN
Michael! I’m gonna miss your rubin impression most of all... 🙏🏽RIP😔
Rave Dunbin is proof that you can make you make tons of money just saying talking points without even being able to read.
Libertarians always ignore the fact that regulations are birthed out of capitalist negligence and greed.
The "you don't understand economics" dudes never got to the econ 101 chapter on externalities
Anyone here after the Florida building collapse?
That was my first thought!
Me too
His conclusion is so fucking good. "If you need an example of people cutting corners for profit, look at your own videos"
I love how legitimately offended Sam is here by Dave's ignorance. I don't blame him either.
There are days when I feel like my world is caving in on me. It's times like these where these random suggestions of videos of Sam and Michael from two years ago dragging the shit out of Dave Rubin serve as my shining light.....
As an electrician I can say without oversight and inspection half the building built would catch fire
Dodgy wiring needs to be a crime, it's a death trap
these are an hilarious relief, during this horrifying pandemic.
‘even with yelp reviews?’
😂…Rest in Power, Michael Brooks. you were loved, more than you ever knew, and we never expected to lose you.❤️
does anyone wonder if Rubin has changed his views since the Florida condo collapsing after issues were identified years ago and ignored?
Doubtful. It doesn't fit in with his bottom line. His funders really don't care about human lives.
@wash lol
No as he will ignore that and will never address it unless called out and even then he will deflect away
My Dad, a *very* defensive retired carpenter, when I asked him if construction regulations were important: Yeah, some construction guys just don't give a fuck
It continues to baffle me that people think these corporations and businesses have our best interest and safety in mind in their pursuit of money. IIRC wasnt it car companies that cried foul because the government wanted them to put seatbelts in cars and the companies didnt want to because it was more expensive putting them in every car rather than settling court cases where people died because of no seat belts? Companies do not give a fuck about us they only care about our wallets. I just dont understand where people get this notion that without regulation and just going off the honor system that these companies wouldnt cut every corner and disregard human life as much as possible to make an extra penny
The problem with the idea that the market will fix itself is that it over simplifies the human psyche. People will rather learn how to cheat better, than stay and put the full effort, the full homework forwards. It's human nature to want to cut corners.
The repugnican party in a nutshell.
Just regulate everything fam, cause government is god and they can fix anything and everything. When in doubt, regulate the shit out of it
Over a year later, and my brain is still in recovery mode after taking in so many fallacious, low IQ ideas from Rave Dubin.
😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 I see what you did there 😂😂😂
Builders in Sydney Australia have cut corners so bad all the super expensive high rise apartments they've built are cracking and not fit to live in - way to go our conservative state government not regulating the industry - such irresponsible greed.
And that is when building codes are in place....
imagine Dave Rubin being your hero lmfao that's so embarrassing
I guess some people don’t wanna aim too high with their heroes lol.
Ironically, the only way Dave Rubin doesn't get called on his bullshit is if he were interviewed by...Dave Rubin.
Gustavus Adolphus 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rogan had to talk to him like he is a child
When hollow men try to seem to know ... you get those like Dave Rubin or that Peterson guy
As a home inspector the level of stupidity in Rubin's idea that building codes are unnecessary is monumental. Boy could I tell you some stories.
The government doesn't license contractors. At least in my State and many others from what I understand from other inspectors in different parts of the country. The tradesman are licensed, which means they must be trained, both in classes and on the job. As for yours and Rubin's idea that the free market will regulate itself. That is entirely preposterous and can be borne out with history and facts. You and Rubin demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the building industry and how it is regulated and to what standard. That's what happens when you base things on an ideal, instead of the real world. Moving on....
No its not semantics. A tradesman is a plumber, electrician or HVAC specialist. Someone who is , as I described, trained. A contractor is a catch all for any person who performs some type of construction work for hire. There is no training or license required for that person. Like I said I am an inspector and I know what I'm talking about with regard to training, licensing and how well some of the work gets done. As I said I have LOTS of stories on the work some of these people do. Unsafe and dangerous. But hey if we take away all the over site, it will all work itself out. Pu lease. smh.
Wow, your ignorance knows no limits. Comparing cell phones and computers to dwellings and buildings is not remotely the same. Again you clearly have no idea of the complexity of a house let alone a large building. One point you make is valid, yes mistakes get made in anything manufactured or built. Which is exactly why you need oversite. With manufacturing there is QC, which uses, believe it or not a set of parameters to define what's acceptable. Sort of like what happens in buildings. Just a smaller scale. And in some manufacturing there are government rules that must be followed. Look at cars and trucks. You ever see how much safer a car made in and for sale in America is compared to a car made in and for sale in Mexico? Traffic related deaths have fallen because of regulations, not in spite of them.
You truly are a piece of work. There's no point in debating with a ideologue who believes anything that is regulated is of poor quality or unsafe. The free market as you describe is a lie. And we should all be very thankful it doesn't exist.
I think in an alternate life, Dave Rubin was the mono-rail salesman on the Simpsons.
Right wing libertarianism is the ideology of grifters.
People like Rubin misunderstand what the natural incentives of various economic actors are. Most builders don’t sell artisan houses and hang around over the years to take accountability for their methods that can have negative consequences. Their incentive is to build it so it looks good enough to meet their contract (and/or code) and move on-it’s imaginary that they could be incentivized by selling a superior product outside of a niche high-end market...the incentive is profit and moving on.
The thing about libertarianism is that it all sounds good in theory because it provides simple, easy to understand answers, but it just doesn't match up with reality. If you don't think some regulations are necessary, then go eat street food in a country like Taiwan. You can see people do things like leave water outside in unsealed containers or hand wash chopsticks and then place them on the counter, because there is no one forcing them to care of basic food safety. I got terribly sick once after eating at what looked like a relatively hygienic restaurant, right before my family flew back to the US. Imagine spending most of a 12 hour flight having diarrhea and throwing up in the restroom. My mom also stated matter of factly when she ate something bad as a child she would just go to the hospital and they would fix her up, like it was a completely normal thing that just happened sometimes.
BP 27
That’s the issue with libertarianism. You guys constantly redefine what it means and engage in a lot of “it doesn’t mean this, or it doesn’t mean that” but if you put a libertarian in a calm safe environment and let him go. Generally they get here. And so this persons point is sound and reasonable.
MR here is specifically critiquing Rubin, not all libertarians. And we both know that there are many libertarians who believe that government regulation doesn't work period.
BP 27.............................................You're an idiot. Your philosophy will NEVER be seen as appropriate. Been tried before. Doesn't work.
BP 27 Tell us, are you proud of your boy Dave Rubin? Of how he promotes your ideology?
Because whether you like it or not he’s a poster boy for your libertarian philosophy now. And you’re seriously surprised we’re making fun of that clown?
The real reason building codes are laws, aren't necessarily to directly prevent people from cutting corners, but to provide a mechanism to provide a legal definition for faulty. That is if my home had bad wiring and caught fire, having a building code that defines what bad wiring is, gives me a concrete target to prove that the wiring was the cause
Exactly. And so we can actually pay and teach and employee experts too. Someone who knows what they're talking about and can go to construction sites and actually help the businesses and workers. (Not just threaten them.)
People think regulations = just punishments.
implementing a consequence for potentially cutting corners is directly preventing people from cutting corners , no?
I see Yoshikitty :D We are X
Good lord, they completely humiliate Dave Rubin. This is incredible
If there is one word that Rubin should avoid using its “intellectually”. That word coming out of his mouth is just wrong.
Since Rubin became a libertarian he's like the 14 year old who read Ayn Rand for the first time and then never grew out of it.
The USPS is a fucking modern miracle of the world. Even in the 1850s, before the railways were all done, ppl could send a letter from New York to California for essentially the same price as sending the same letter from NY to New Jersey. Imagine if that was a totally free market enterprise? If you wanted to send a letter from east to west coast, a private mail service could basically charge you whatever they wanted to, 20, 30 times as much as a local letter. It's basically the absolute worst example you could choose to try to champion free market control. Such amateur hour, it's embarrassing. ...
Mr. Seeder has not only taught me what exactly libertarianism is but also how dumb a position it is.
You will never do anything perfectly, so stop doing anything for the rest of your life. That's Rubin's logic.
You missed the point
seriously?
No that's Rubin's point, he's singled out government as an imperfect system and apparently with no evidence assumes that the private sector can do it all better. His isn't even an argument from principle most of the time, you can tell because of the way he tries to tear down government programs and big up competition. That's the most embarrassing form of libertarianism. "Government always bad private sector always good." (Except I want single payer because... Reasons.)
Re the building regulation aspect of this clip, sadly, an elementary school girl in Osaka was killed this week, after a 3 meter wall, fell on her during the earthquake, which far exceeded the local building regulations' maximum height. Even with regulations, things like this do happen, but it does show the need for regulation AND enforcement, in the interests of public safety over corporate/private negligence. As long as negligence, wilful or otherwise exist, there'll be a need for legislation and enforcement. Libertarianism is Science Fiction.
The Dave Ruben school of debate: You could make a sound argument that the universe exists as an 11 dimensional hyperspace. I'm not going to make the argument myself. But someone probably could
That "oooh, thats not true..." Will never stop making me laugh
You know, these municipal road projects are paid for with public tax dollars and the contractors are of a private enterprise. The point being is most of them that I know are far to the right pro business people, but it is government tax dollars that have made them millionaires.
Libertarians would believe those road contractors would be better off if the government didn't fund the roadworks and the contractors instead door knocked the local residents to get them to finance it.
1p6t1gms You make a fair point.
He loves perfectly competitive markets yet takes money from monopolistic Oligarchs.
I'm starting to think that the reason he doesn't push back in his interviews because he actually doesn't know anything.
"so I hear what you're saying about dead kids, but intellectually... How many kids need to die before I am forced to admit I'm full of shit"
Joe needs to have Sam on his show already. Also more Kyle Kulinsky, Ana Kasparian, Lee Camp, Abby Martin, etc.. David Pakman would be great on his show. I really wish he would balance his political guests more.... or really stop hosting ben shapiro at all.
It would be great if he had Pakman on. That would be weird or interesting for sure.
Couldn't agree more, he should have on Sam or David on next. Both would be interesting guests for sure.
Sorry, Joe has intellectual integrity. Dream on muffin.
The stupidity of Rave Dubin is a limitless renewable resource. We must harness this great power.
tokukeitaro See I don’t think he’s unintelligent, there’s just no need for him to try to think and he has no shame when saying comically stupid things. Hence why he’s pimped out by the Kock’s!
It should be noted that this is one of the few times Rogan has ever even questioned one of his guests' views. Rubin's BS is so obviously ridiculous that Rogan stuffs him like a basketball.
Yeah usually let's his right wing buddies spread bs. Especially if it is about trans community
If mail delivery goes private and you live in a rural area expect to either say goodbye to delivery or pay way more to send and receive mail.
Louie Apollo there is no money for them in which they would make any money back in a town in the mountains with a population of 100 or less these people would be fucked, unless of course its paid for by TAXES. In a libertarian society everyone would have to live in very close proximity to each other if they want to get any service what so ever water, electricity, internet, postal service, etc. In a libertarian society no one in rural areas would get any of this because there is no money in putting businesses in small towns which means there is no reason to do it if your entire idea is making money without government involvement or regulations. Your argument is so rediculous it's impossible not to laugh. And just so you don't try to play the "your a socialist game" I'm an avid capitalist however there are certain things that the free market wouldn't do by itself so we need government regulations sometimes.
@Louie Apollo
You don't get it, if they could make money delivering to rural area, they would do it NOW and undercut the postal services.
They can't.. so they want the postal service GONE so they can take over delivery and charge MORE when people in rural area had no more choice.
It's hard to compete with the postal services that has over a century to improve and tune it, so they can deliver mail ANYWHERE for under a buck.
UPS, FedEx etc CAN'T compete on these, so they take the more lucrative segment of parcel delivery.
Well, actually they have found an cheaper alternative, electronics delivery.. (Email). Too bad email is so easy that the tech community made it free. Otherwise, you bet that a capitalist would love to charge for it, and it would do it at half the postal fee !
So generous of them
Louie Apollo "a private company and realizes that there's a deficit..."
Yeah, for 5 bucks a letter.
Don't you people get that there's nothing keeping a private company from doing that now, apart from economics?
You have to put 'aw that's not true' on the soundboard 😁
Yes!!!
That would be epic!
Hammurabi's Code included regulations for construction... people knew Libertarian ideals were moronic thousands of years ago.
Underrated comment.
Which was, if your building fell and killed the owner, you would be killed as the architect who design ed it. Glad they dont do that anymore lol, but i am a huge supporter of current building codes.
@@andrewumbreit904 i didn't say hamu had everything right... XD
8:20 "You'd be incentivised not to purge because you'd want people to hire you to build." LOL such an under appreciated comment. That was fucking hilarious.
This is a good example of why, even though I disagree with Joe Rogan on all kinds of things, and think he gives too much time to these idiots, and is a bit too willing to be "open minded" about utter nonsense, and so on... I just can't hate the guy. He will still ultimately always value calling bullshit what it is, over toeing the party line. He's got gigantic blind-spots but at least he's sincere, and intelligent, and not a thoughtless reactionary.
Rhyme Circus except for the “categorizing” part of that interview
Dave just doesn't make sense. I feel bad for the poor guy. He's supposedly a liberal trying his hardest to act like a Republican but his line of thinking is so discombobulated it's sad. He's like a person who's trying to be hip.
supposedly a liberal ?
He's got the zeal of the newly converted, trying to be more Catholic than the Pope.
When the Pope is more liberal than you...
He's not a liberal. That's part of a campaign to usurp the title of classical liberal and muddy the waters in general.
"classical liberal". He's very proud of this title. It's like someone told him about it once and he thought it sounded so good and was obscure enough to make into a meaningless catch phrase.