That's why you should always buy stuff cus you like it , not to try to get rich off it in the future, lol . Chances are you might not get your money back .
14:24 worst comment he made, “I don’t want to lose money!” 10/10 when you’re selling to a reseller, you’re going to lose money. If you want to make your money back or more, sell it yourself!!
@@psface22 yeah seriously. Idk what happened the last couple of years, but I literally see ppl trying to sell stuff online for MORE than retail, when it's STILL being sold in stores for retail 🤣🤦. Like u can literally search Google and find it on Target and Walmart for retail, yet there's ppl on eBay and Facebook Marketplace trying to sell it for wayy more! Like I truly don't understand what these ppl are thinking 🤷♂️
My dad owned a comic store when I was a kid and did ball card shows and took me. Seeing this guy reminded me of how many times you get this exact situation. So many guys just like this claiming they know exactly the worth based off unsold eBay listings and not taking into consideration your overhead. Not to mention they take up a whole day of labor going back and forth with you till the point you don’t even wanna look at it. It’s the part of the business that really feels like work.
There is nothing as infuriating when somebody shows me what something is selling for on eBay, as they scroll down through 100 listings for the same item. If 50 guys are selling it for 100 bucks, and nobody is buying it, it’s not worth 100 bucks. Old doesn’t always mean high dollar. If you sell it for 100 and it’s finally goes for 50, then it was only worth 50. People need to learn how selling to a retail shop works. He’s not running a museum, he’s running a business
@@thegodfatheroftoys3349 I see that from time to time. Instead of filtering it to the "Sold" listing, which shows how much someone is willing to pay for an item and how many were sold in the last few months.
Doubt he paid $4500 for that stuff. I bet he got it for free or much much lower. He was trying to grift TF with that number. Everyone upset with TF, well the seller doesn't have to sell it to them. They gave him an offer, a simple no thanks and be on his way. The stuff he had is practically junk. The Star Wars cases were the best thing. Everything else was very worn and mostly undesirable.
I don’t think that is necessarily true. He said it was his friend and the man that died (as just about every collector ever) over values his collection based on outdated market prices. His wife was probably told or had an idea of the outdated value that he bragged to her about. The fat man paid under what he was told the value was. He was even talking how he was under the impression he vastly undervalued them at a toy show to “blow them out” but obviously they didn’t sell, which shows he didn’t have a grasp on the market.
This guy was the most obvious type of grifter - "dead friend," "I paid this much," pretending to not be knowledgeable yet every item is stickered with its actual value. Too many red flags.
Also the seller has no interest in anything he has when he is explaining the pieces to him, yeah yeah you can put a gun with princess Leia. No dumbass she has to have the correct gun that goes with her. He thinks because he drove 2 and half hours he gets whatever price he wants? Dude that old lady took you for a big ride
It's a generational thing. GI Joe nostalgists are pushing 70, Hot Wheels 65, and Star Wars in their 50s. The competitive market is entrepreneurs collecting their childhood 20-30 years previously, not 40-60 years because there's fewer people wanting the same thing.
This guy doesnt listen, and does respect the rules of the hobby. You cant just throw random accessories in with a figure and say its good. So in the end, mom made all the money😂
You were really honest with the guy. Unfortunately, as the generation who played with these Joes dies off, there will be fewer and fewer collectors for them. I'm a child of the 80's, so I personally have no nostalgia for these items except for the Star Wars and a few of those hot wheels. I did however love the artwork on those Batman prints. Great episode!
Not when there’s plenty of recent sales data out there for all to see. How do you think he’s coming up with offer amount? What you’re saying only applies to unique or one of a kind items with no real data to back up the price.
That's a possibility with how often he keeps saying it... it's a non factor in the end... If he would of gotten everything for 100$ does that mean he's selling everything for 100$ (to get his money back?) - No, he's ultimately selling everything for it's actual value, not what he paid for it
That’s exactly what I was thinking! He said he paid $6500 in the beginning to the cameras and then he told the guy he paid $4500…. I wouldn’t buy shit from this dude
I know a guy who owns a few comic shops in south Florida. I've also frequented his competition. Nobody would have been as generous with this guy. Ryan offered him 2000$ ? All the shops I know would have thrown 800$ offered for all the stuff and wouldn't have gone above 1200$. And that would have been a fair offer. Ryan's 2k$ was a gift. He would have had to catalog it all. Which is time and money. Store it or display it which takes up valuable space. And sit on it which may or may not increase in value. Decrease is more then likely considering the state of Star wars ATM.
@@kevlarunderwear22 Star Wars toys ain't worth shit anymore. I'm really glad I unloaded my Black series during the pandemic before the values started to decline.
You made a great point in this video that I haven’t seen people comment on. The market buyers for old GI Joe dolls are starting to age out. There are not many people who are out there that have that emotional attachment to them, hence the 3 3/4 figures are more in demand. In about 20 years, there will be less of them, and the market will be for things like power rangers and stuff from the early to mid 90s
I have been reading the comments and I am taken by how personal many of the comments. Talking about the man's weight, appearance and so on. If he does not know what he is doing, or has his own idea of the value or is trying to scam that is one thing and legit to discuss. Myself, I try to learn a bit about what I am trying to trade to have a better understanding of what I am doing. I personally would never FULLY trust someone who I am trying to sell to, because they are looking the lowest price and if they can scam a seller, well they probably would do that to. It is a 2 way street. But to attack someone for being overweight and not looking well that is wrong. I would wonder what I might think if I saw what some of the commenters looked like. Sorry for venting.
What’s a scam? How is somebody scammed? I hate when people throw that word around. It’s simple. Somebody offers an item, they offer a price. It the offer is not what you are looking for, walk away. If he can sell it for 100, you will not get 100. He’s not a broker, he’s a dealer.
You sound very sensitive over the littlest of things, words are words ffs. Words may hold value and meaning but only from those you should listen to, not everybody and especially the internet. Hope this helps to stop your suffering.
There's so many people like this in collecting who don't understand that value is relative. The value can only be what buyers are willing to pay, what you originally paid for it is irrelevant.
I just realized this episode that this is very much shot like a documentary series. I don't know who you are camera man, but your killing it. If you are also the editor your killing that too. The tension was real this episode.
I don't like it when people add on some story into whatever they want to sell. It's always "somebody died" or "I paid this for them" or "I need money for some sad story thing that happened". Regardless it doesn't matter to the buyer and it's hard to not just say "I don't care" when they keep mentioning it. When you're the one lugging a collection through the front door looking to liquidate it more than likely you're going to take a hit. The exception to the rule might be when you're the original buyer and took care of it all for all that time, got lucky at a storage unit auction, estate sale, ect... Also the buyers might get things for a decent price with room for profit and the items just sit around for years or never end up selling. You can get screwed even when you think you made a deal.
Save a toy for years. 45 mins to argue over if it's $80 or $50 and yet spend you $60 on a meal on a random tuesday like it's no big deal and if someone asks next week, you'd forget what you ate. Money is valued so weird.
objects, too. Just because something its old does not make it worth more money that it originally sold for. Its fucking insanity that people think otherwise.
This is pretty sad... No matter how large your collection, how much it's worth, and how long it's taken to collect it will one day, most likely be bargained off out of tubs, at yard sales, or boxed up and forgotten
Yep. Don’t fall in love with material goods. They’re really only rented by you while you’re here. I know I have some stuff that’s worth a little bit, but when I go, family members mostly don’t want to hold onto that stuff forever - and they don’t feel about it the way you do. More than half of it will end up in a landfill. 🤷♂️
He didnt pay $4500 The guy that died was no friend of his and he wasnt trying to help anyones family He has no one to sell any of this to which is why he is at your store 2.5 hours away from his home almost 5 years after he priced it.
Been doing this a long time and I've learned a thing or two about collectibles over the years. 1. Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it 2. The popularity and value of vintage toys continuously FLUCTUATES 3. Before you venture into a vintage toystore to sell your items, DO YOUR RESEARCH and know as much as possible about what you want to sell 4. Any store will ALWAYS offer you less so they can sell for a profit and therefore stay in business That said, this gentleman most doubtedly paid $4500 for those items. If he did, he grossly overpaid. He should've bitten the bullet, done his homework and taken the time to check each item for completion, damage, etc. and then posted them for sale on their corresponding FB toy groups, online classified sites, at toy shows or lastly ebay. Great video by the way!
It’d drive me mad running a store like this having to deal with people who say they know what they’re talking about when in fact they don’t have a clue, don’t listen, are half asleep and have an overinflated idea of value.
as a former antique dealer I cant stand sellers like this. You have to work five times as hard with them and they all paid to much for the stuff. Always someone dead tied to the collection
I paid market value for something as a collector, buying off of another collector, and all parties were happy. Then after about a week, that guy started emailing me about how he'd underpriced everything and he should have sold it for more, or not sold it at all, or sold it but somehow also hung onto it, it was just ridiculous. Weeks. Some people will be unhappy that they came out getting more than they asked for. Some people will be unhappy that they got an item for free because they didn't cost the seller more time or money as an inconvenience. Everyone wants to be the prettiest pony in the universe, and believe their stuff is the most awesome best stuff ever even if you could walk into a store today and buy it off a shelf at retail for less. At the end of the day the question is, do you enjoy the thing? If a person can't enjoy the things without some element of exploiting someone else or feeling superior, they aren't collecting. They're just hoarding with a vindictive attitude.
Where did he throw a fit? He was upset about the price clearly, but he sat there calmly, haggled, and ended up working out a deal he liked enough to take. Where did he do anything disgusting? What did he do that's immoral? He got a deal that the everyone agreed on, is it wrong of him to try to get a better deal and then get worked down to a more reasonable one? Is bartering wrong now?
As someone who ran a comic store a couple decades ago, this gave me anxiety watching because I've been on both sides of the deal. You feel bad for the guy if he truly paid that much for what he brought in, but it's also frustrating how people think whatever they value something at is what the store should pay for it. Rent is incredibly expensive, employees are expensive, electricity is expensive, insurance on the merchandise, there's so much that goes into running a business that people don't take into account when they come in thinking you should pay full value. Some books we purchased would sit for upwards of a year before they sold, so you are paying to store that inventory in the meantime. 30%-50% of retail really is about as much as anyone should realistically expect to get.
Don't always take your friends word on their collection value. Don't always buy it blind off their family. Wait til guys family tries to sell the Kiss stuff to no one wanting to buy it
Interesting comments here. All of ya'll saying the shop owner is ripping ppl off fail to realize: 1. You are paying him to not have to do the work of selling everything yourself. 2. You are aying for someone else to assume the risk of depreciation market value fluctuation. 3. This goes hand in hand w the concept of liquidity. If it weird and obscure and takes longer to move, risk of depreciation goes up.
I had a lot of those toys in the 80s. GI Joe and Star Wars stuff. I had a large Millennial Falken. Thing is, I played with mine. Blew them up with fire crackers and such. Many are still buried under the shade of an old oak tree at my childhood home where I played. So many good memories.
This guy(the older dude or the seller)is why i quit going to tot shows...they think anything over ten years old is worth a fortune. Besides, around me you cant even find anything older, its all stuff from 5-6 years ago and way too high and if, if you find anything from the 70s-80s, they think the stuff is some kind of rare, limited gold bars LOL. Toy shows are a joke now.
I occasionally sell older toys to my local comic shops. They’re super nice guys, but I know walking in they’re not going to give me close to retail value on anything I bring in. It’s a business, and they have profit margins to maintain. You have to sell direct to the buyer yourself if you want the most money.
These are the things most people don't (won't) understand - Something is only worth what someone will PAY for it. A dealer isn't going to give you retail. Aged and worn isn't mint. Anyone can post value lists on the internet. Broken or pieces missing isn't what collectors are looking for. And last but not least, there's always a chance you overpaid for it in the first place.
There are plenty of stupid/gullible people on Ebay that will pay an astronomical amount because of how much that individual sees the value in something, this is why using pawn shops and mom and pop shops for deals and trading is a waste of time. Why waste the gas and energy to drive somewhere, when I can throw it on ebay and get way more than what it's actually worth.
I sold Star Wars toys to a shop decades ago. They then doubled what I'd been paid for each of them and put them on their shelves. I was fuming, but they were all still there when the shop went out of business.
oooof this was hard to watch. im a little over 40 and those big dolls were never appealing to me. the market for those like the buyer said it just aint there at all. you really got to dig to find someone who wants that stuff. plus a bunch of crap accesories that no one will ever really need or look for. that stuff will sit forever. the offer was pretty generous as is. this guy dont understand that the collectors for that era are dying off, not interested, dont want to spend on it and are minimizing.
People need to realize that the store needs to resell these toys to make profit. Whenever I sell something to a game store, I don't expect to be given market value. If I want market value then I'll sell everything myself. And I give props to the worker who was very patient.
That picture of the kid with his toys was great. For that moment he was happy and that’s a beautiful thing to have in a photo. Rest In Peace to that fellow human
One thing about collecting you have to learn before you get to this guy's age... oftentimes, you're lucky if you manage to break even. "Vintage" doesn't exactly mean "gold mine" unless it's sealed, complete, not yellowed AND it's something people want.
I don’t think people stop to think about what you just posted. The last vintage Star Wars figs came out 40 years ago almost. Yet with eBay, you can find a loose figure anytime. Carded and boxed examples are still out there for a price. That means there was a ton of that stuff made. I feel bad for people who started keeping stuff form the mid 90s and beyond, when people stopped opening toys and bought them to hoard.
As a man who works at a large collectible toys shop in Texas that sees walk in sales daily, no way in hell would we buy anything from that man, he drove a long way to get outside the area where he lives to a shop that didn’t know his face. Could’ve been that he came that far to get the items out of city limits in event he had problems from the family for stolen property (if that’s what happened). I know Ernie would’ve politely told him to go pound sand. Little things like wrapping plastic around figures to discourage the buyer from taking a closer look for small cracks those figures are known for is one red flag. When someone says the item is in a factory sealed box and the sealing tape is still in place, most people don’t realize that people just use a hot hair dryer or heat gun to warm it up to loosen the tape adhesive to get inside then re-seal the box, so never assume it’s never been opened unless you like buying bricks labeled as an X-wing fighter.
The shop owner (Apologies i forget his name) seems like he knows his stuff so i am sure he was careful, you dont know what he checked off camera. I do agree with you though to not trust a stranger at face value and inspect all the items for damage and tampering.
It is good to show the reality of things too. Often things don't work out like the seller imagines when he comes in. That is not bad, just being realilistic and fair. Too many of these would be depressing (even if realistic) but showing some comes across as a honest and true.
There is a small timeframe where adults want to collect the things that made them happy as kids. Once you are outside of the frame, vintage mass-produced consumer goods lose most of it’s value. Practically nobody gives a crap about vintage-era GI Joe accessories anymore.
this is spot on, i have tons of things i saved from when i was a kid. and then ive added a few things over the years. everyone who sees my collection of stuff always says how much is this worth! i always say "nothing its just cool to have". at this point i cant bring myself to downsize against the ebay competition for pennies. i have a few afa figures that will sell easily and make a profit. but the majority of my stuff i told my niece to sell when i die for whatever she can get for herself since itll all be profit for her.
People seem to think loose vintage Star Wars are a gold mine. They don't realize the accessories are worth more than the figure. The figures weren't so easily lost as the weapons
I love how people trying to sell stuff use the price they paid for it as if that has any bearing on the current negotiation. You getting hosed in a previous transaction does not get passed on to me.
I’m a bike mechanic. I buy, fix, and sell bikes. It’s hilarious how some people will stick to their guns when it comes to prices they want to get for their junk that they don’t even really know about. I constantly have to go into great detail about all the work their bike needs and parts that need to be replaced, which is why my offer is 1/5th of what a pristine example goes for. Even better is when someone thinks they have a “race bike” or “old Schwann” that turns out to be literally worthless except as yard art. I’ve even stood next to someone, looked up the serial number of a bike to show them it’s not from the 60s, it’s re-pop from the early 2000s that just happens to be extremely rusty and old looking, and they accused me of tampering with the website as though that is more logical than them being wrong. “I know what I got” usually means the opposite.
If he wanted top dollar he would have to put in the work researching and selling on eBay. Selling to a store for a much lower price gets rid of all that responsibility
This episode kinda reflects how I feel when I argue with people who say physical videogames and consoles from the 1980s and 90s are going to be expensive and hold their value forever. I try to tell them that no one cares what is 'rare' or how 'valuable' one of their 'grails' is.... almost EVERYTHING collectible will be worth little to nothing eventually. I see these fools with NES games going on about how this piece of hardware or that game is worth thousands - and I think, _"do you not understand that kids today do not care about those things, let alone value them?"_ We are even seeing it now, as a lot of these old games that where being fought over by resellers at yardsales several years back, are ow sitting on store listings, and in Mom & Pop shops, gathering dust - because the heat around collecting them has cooled off (as that demographic has entered their 40s and 50s). I was born in the 80s, and now I'm bloody 40 years old!!!! Jesus Christ time flies. Pretty soon the things my generation grew up with - like Ninja Turtles, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Marvel Action Figures, Transformers.... those are not going to be worth much in another decade or so. It's math: Most collectors are men.... men live on average 5-10 years less than women. The prime collecting years are 18 - 35, and after that the crowd of collectors who stay with the hobby shrinks dramatically. Most the people who grew up with 12" GI Joe's are currently 60 - 75. The people who grew up with Atari, Intellevision, Collecovision and toys like Kenner Star Wars and Match box are on average between 45 - 60. Those of us who grew up with 4" Gi Joe, He-man, Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Power Rangers, NES, Sega Genesis, Gameboy NES.... we are between 35 - 45 years-old. This all goes for comics and other collectibles too. The kids today and for along time now, did not grow up caring about toys for the most part, and almost all of them are not attached to physical objects or certain brands or game consoles. If you were born in the late 90s and since.... you only care about what is on your phone screen, and the digital world. NO ONE IS GOING TO REPLACE US. If your holding on to things from pop-culture past for monetary purposes, then SELL IT NOW! Very little of it is going to hold its value, let alone be worth MORE? If you collect these things, do it because they mean something to you, and expect it to end up in a trash heap somewhere or a basement after you pass on. Humans, objects, even culture - DOES NOT LIVE ON FOREVER. Everything has a end, and the world goes on. You cannot expect your things to hold value to future generations, and you cannot expect other people your age to pay high prices for something you still think is worth what it was a decade (or decades) ago. When you fail to do that, you get a grown man in the floor crying and having a late life crisis, because his brain just can't accept that no one (generally speaking) wants his 'valuable' stuff, and those small niche hardcore collectors of whatever it is, that do... they are not going to pay what was top dollar years and years ago, when the market for it is literally dying off, and cool as ice. And then they get mad, when people have to break reality to them.
Born in 90 and I grew up playing with Star Wars and gijoe until I was 12-13. Kids now a days have a personal gaming computer in their bedroom by that time lol crazy
It should be pointed out here though too things went off their head during 2020-21 in basically all areas of collecting and investment, now the economy has turned and with inflation everything has cooled off and will continue to do so, a lot of people are not smart enough to judge the state of markets properly. I think you are making some pretty broad generalisations too about what current young people and incoming generations want, if what you say was true then nothing really old would have any value anymore but that is clearly not the case, maybe it becomes more niche and only stand out stuff as things get older, but there always tends to be a market.
Thats why i now start selling my movie poster and photo collections. While posters with good artwork will have some value forever, most are worthless. Luckily i collected Horror movies which are still popular but it also change in a few years. Movies are not important part of teenager life anymore and thats where the retro collection comes from as you correctly said. What will the current generation collect? I don't think there i a lot.
The only way to get "Top Dollar" is to sell it all yourself. But then you will find that some items move fast while other stuff sits forever. Of course , you have to take less $$ if you want someone else to move it all for you.
Unfortunately sellers like that gentleman are getting more and more common. Holding onto the "value" they once were. Definitely handled that with professionalism!
Same attitude with guys selling Harley Davidsons, buddy...you overpaid for the bike to begin with and there is a Harley for sale on every corner. Unless you have a mint 1930s-1950s...im not paying off your loan for you.
I have been collecting various things over the years, and it always amazes me when someone sells to a store and expects eBay prices from the store. That top value is rare and bidding wars can increase the price. However its nice he gave his friends mom good money, again so much work goes into a store like all operation costs, and the time it takes to sell it. I know it's hard to accept, just like my comics are not worth what i want. The option is to sell it on your own if you want top value. Important video for perspectives on collecting. Glad i subscribe, thanks pixel dan
Wasn’t that complicated the guy had unrealistic expectations.. oh and he was lying about getting that stuff for 4k. He’s used that number as leverage. 😂😂
If he paid $4500 to help out his friend's mom, then he's also putting a price on his act of charity. I know that's an expense on him, but expecting the get reimbursed for that doesn't set well with me. In the end, I don't really care, but you need to ask yourself if you're really being charitable if you expect to profit from it later on.
If he paid the mom $4500 then the one that robbed him was the mom. When you try to sell a whole collection to a vendor or toy store, you're never going to get what you paid for or what you think they're worth. A business needs to make money off the sell. No one can actually believe that TF was going to give him more than $2k for all of this. TF has bills to pay and god only knows how long it would take to sort out all those toys, plus how long it's going to take to sell them all off. If that guy wanted more, he should have sold it on eBay or forums.
There’s no way in hell he shelled out $4500 for all that crap, maybe $500 at the most. People his age get access to deals like that all the time, his peers all have this old crap. He sold those hot wheels for $100, it was like 60 cars an expert would have valued those closer to $300-$600. Guy cleary was just working off an estimate of $4500 and hoped to get more than that or most of it by saying he paid it. There really wasn’t anything in there to justify paying over $2000, I doubt he’s going to give a 90 year old lady $4500 for a couple country yard sale bins, if he did that tgat just makes him the biggest sucker ever.
I used to run a sports card shop.. this was painful to watch because it reminds me how many times I had to crush people's dreams when they thought they had a retirement IRA in their closet, and I had to be the one telling them it was next to worthless today. Heart goes out to both the guy who over paid and the guys have to try to gentle let him down.
As a former dealer you also know this guy was full of shit, and his repeated attempts to convince he paid $4500 for that stuff was a ridiculously obvious (and lame) ploy to attempt to convince the shop owner to "at least give him his money back."
The thing about collectibles is they are only worth what someone is willing to pay you. Even if the experts agree something is worth $100 you still have to find the person to pay you $100! A business is not going to pay you $100 for something they can only sell for $100!
Because it’s true. Like, literally. The perspective of a business owner with overhead is a far different thing than a guy cruising thrift stores and flipping some items on eBay.
Generations get older, their memories become precious, and all the crap from their childhoods go up in price. Then they die off and the market dries up, then you've got a a garage full of literal garbage.
Not into vintage toys but somehow stumbled on your channel. Your knowledge of these items is staggering! I Found myself drawn in to this video I don’t know why. You obviously care about your customers and want them to be happy.
he prob thought he was buying a gold mine off his friends mom when his friend died and wanted first grabs at it and then is realizing its not really worth that much.
Hilarious! Anyone can say "This is worth 80 grand" but the thing is if people aren't looking to buy it, then it's not worth crap. I never see anyone collecting the larger G.I. Joes. Mostly the smaller sizes.
This is the first time I watched someone buy a collection that was actually not trying to rip the customer off or not having the attitude like oh well it's not my fault the guy doesn't know what it's worth. This guy is awesome and is clearly going through every with the man. Thank God there are still good guys like this owner/buyer.
Everyone thinks they have a goldmine, thats the trouble, I totally get it these dudes are dealing with it everyday- its just product to them and its emotional to the seller. Everyone thinks because they have a vintage yoda figure they can put kids through college with it.
He got suckered into paying 4500 and was looking for a bail out like it was somehow your fault. You did good deed hopefully there was a piece in there someone wanted and needed for a good price.
Spot on. He bought the lot without knowing if there was anything worth while. A huge collection means nothing especially if it has already been stripped of its valuable items.
The 12 inch Joe collectors are almost always boomers who think stuff is valuable because they had it as a kid. He's also the same kind of guy to set up at a flea market at as $25 for a copy of super Mario duck hunt.
I love 12-inch joes as a Gen z individual who didn't grow up with it, and those collectors are crazy like, bruh, it's not 2001 anymore. No one wants them, which is sad. The only reason why I collect them is in 2004 when I was 6 kb toys had the 40th anniversary line that I was mesmerized with, but I'm not going to pay 300-500 for an original joe on ebay
I was at a show in Pasadena last year. There were some older guys with a ton of 12" Joe stuff. They weren't selling much. And the guys that were interested were pretty old. You're right people in that market are aging out.
I'm a reseller too. And it can get super frustrating when buying collections. Most of the time, the seller doesn't know the value and think they are sitting on a gold mine. Sometimes they are, but then they want you to pay collector price. Like they expect you not to make any money. I always tell them good luck, and that they can look for a collector who will pay the full price. I simply cant. I can only really pay 50% of what they sell for. Maybe less depending on the pile and if it's a niche IP. A lot factors come in. Also, as a reseller we don't have time to piece things together. So I pay even less for incomplete stuff. If I find it, then yes okay, but it's not guaranteed. The worst part is where the seller paid too much and wants to make their money back or make a profit.
Something about the figure being bigger, and being able to show more detail because it's bigger, just makes me love the 12 inch guys. GiJoe vs Cobra, and Valor vs Venom produced some of the coolest 12 inch joes. I'm 27 now so I'm more partial to the ones I grew up with. But man your store looks awesome and it reminds me of the antique mall I go to here in VB Beach. Hang on to any 12 inch Joes or Star Wars figures for me! 👊
When you ask a buyer to look at your stuff and give you an offer, and you don’t like the offer, just say “thanks for looking, but ill pass”. I cant stand when seller’s argue with buyers like this guy did. Just walk away, and bring it to someone else. If its REALLY worth what you say it is, you shouldn’t have an issue finding SOMEONE to get close to your asking price.
Theyre old plastic toys. People often think this shit is worth big money. But then you see them taking up space in antique shops and never selling. Its plastic.
Yeah. Those SW toys that look like they've been played with a lot are not uncommon. Collectors want things nice and shiny and new looking, with the original packaging, preferably. And SW is just not as popular as it used to be.
They are worth something to someone, even the Mona Lisa is just paper and paint, you can't write off the value something has based on what it's made of
Yeah, they cover the walls of comic book shops, even the store owners know they are more decor then actual stock. Never seen anyone come in and buy one.
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Man to be honest I was just waiting for Ryan to say just get out lol. Good vid and bring more content guys
I think it’s spot on with retail expectations for a wholesale transaction . These book values are never current to the market
That's why you should always buy stuff cus you like it , not to try to get rich off it in the future, lol . Chances are you might not get your money back .
Very good… you deserved the Doritos at the end!
So, th dude paid $4500 without knowing how much it was really worth, and now he's mad no one will cover his loss?
14:24 worst comment he made, “I don’t want to lose money!” 10/10 when you’re selling to a reseller, you’re going to lose money. If you want to make your money back or more, sell it yourself!!
Indeed!
Right lmao he wanted like 6 grand for all that crap and buddy was like "Best I can do is 2 for it all" lol
To be fair if you want retail money sell it yourself, what kind of person tries to sell retail to a retailer.
The majority of America lmao. And most want more tbh 🤷
@@psface22 yeah seriously. Idk what happened the last couple of years, but I literally see ppl trying to sell stuff online for MORE than retail, when it's STILL being sold in stores for retail 🤣🤦. Like u can literally search Google and find it on Target and Walmart for retail, yet there's ppl on eBay and Facebook Marketplace trying to sell it for wayy more! Like I truly don't understand what these ppl are thinking 🤷♂️
The patience on display here is inspiring 🤣
That poor guy confused a hobby with an investment! Never confuse the two!
Well said
Yep. I know a lot of guys with their garages and basements full of bins with 1990’s Hot Wheels. “Oh yeah they are OLD!”
My dad owned a comic store when I was a kid and did ball card shows and took me. Seeing this guy reminded me of how many times you get this exact situation. So many guys just like this claiming they know exactly the worth based off unsold eBay listings and not taking into consideration your overhead. Not to mention they take up a whole day of labor going back and forth with you till the point you don’t even wanna look at it. It’s the part of the business that really feels like work.
Yup. If he’s so confident of the value, he needs to sell it on eBay his damn self.
There is nothing as infuriating when somebody shows me what something is selling for on eBay, as they scroll down through 100 listings for the same item. If 50 guys are selling it for 100 bucks, and nobody is buying it, it’s not worth 100 bucks. Old doesn’t always mean high dollar. If you sell it for 100 and it’s finally goes for 50, then it was only worth 50. People need to learn how selling to a retail shop works. He’s not running a museum, he’s running a business
@@thegodfatheroftoys3349only slow people look at what’s for sale. Completed sold listings only.
@@thegodfatheroftoys3349 I see that from time to time. Instead of filtering it to the "Sold" listing, which shows how much someone is willing to pay for an item and how many were sold in the last few months.
@@homerj806 all those things are all 100% true, though
Doubt he paid $4500 for that stuff. I bet he got it for free or much much lower. He was trying to grift TF with that number. Everyone upset with TF, well the seller doesn't have to sell it to them. They gave him an offer, a simple no thanks and be on his way. The stuff he had is practically junk. The Star Wars cases were the best thing. Everything else was very worn and mostly undesirable.
I don’t think he paid for it. If he did he was probably trying to grift an old lady and screwed himself.
Probably he got it all for next to nothing. Looked on ebay and figured he'd make 4500$
I don’t think that is necessarily true. He said it was his friend and the man that died (as just about every collector ever) over values his collection based on outdated market prices. His wife was probably told or had an idea of the outdated value that he bragged to her about. The fat man paid under what he was told the value was. He was even talking how he was under the impression he vastly undervalued them at a toy show to “blow them out” but obviously they didn’t sell, which shows he didn’t have a grasp on the market.
They probably paid him to take the stuff
This guy was the most obvious type of grifter - "dead friend," "I paid this much," pretending to not be knowledgeable yet every item is stickered with its actual value. Too many red flags.
Trying to pass newer weapons as original… dude knew what he was doing. The list of red flags is long.
Also the seller has no interest in anything he has when he is explaining the pieces to him, yeah yeah you can put a gun with princess Leia. No dumbass she has to have the correct gun that goes with her. He thinks because he drove 2 and half hours he gets whatever price he wants? Dude that old lady took you for a big ride
I have my doubts he actually paid that "old lady" that much or even if she exists at all.@@2-pistols
It’s 100% his personal collection ain’t pulling the wool over my eyes
seems liket he dude had a stall or something with all the sticker pricing
The seller didn’t have a clue and showed his complete ignorance. The expert/toy store owner was very fair with him. Fun to watch.
Dude is a KISS collector , he doesn’t know the value of anything
It's a generational thing. GI Joe nostalgists are pushing 70, Hot Wheels 65, and Star Wars in their 50s. The competitive market is entrepreneurs collecting their childhood 20-30 years previously, not 40-60 years because there's fewer people wanting the same thing.
I wonder what will happen to the Pokemon card market when 90's kids turn 70
This guy doesnt listen, and does respect the rules of the hobby. You cant just throw random accessories in with a figure and say its good. So in the end, mom made all the money😂
You were really honest with the guy. Unfortunately, as the generation who played with these Joes dies off, there will be fewer and fewer collectors for them. I'm a child of the 80's, so I personally have no nostalgia for these items except for the Star Wars and a few of those hot wheels. I did however love the artwork on those Batman prints. Great episode!
Thanks! Yea, and I think Star Wars has more lasting power than the 12 inch. Maybe because of the new universe.
The value of anything is whatever the other guy is willing to pay for it.
Not when there’s plenty of recent sales data out there for all to see. How do you think he’s coming up with offer amount? What you’re saying only applies to unique or one of a kind items with no real data to back up the price.
Your 100% right the store is not in the business just to break even or loose money
Just come across your channel and this was my first video. impressed how you kept your carm with the customers.
Thanks pawn stars Rick the lowballer 😂
Of course ! A dude asked me : i' m looking for a Luke stormtrooper on vintage Potf card . I give you 300. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ok clown, stay away.
Why do I get the feeling this guy didn’t pay that woman a dime 😆
That's a possibility with how often he keeps saying it... it's a non factor in the end... If he would of gotten everything for 100$ does that mean he's selling everything for 100$ (to get his money back?) - No, he's ultimately selling everything for it's actual value, not what he paid for it
Yep, had that feeling too
Aye, he was just saying what he got into it for to save face in taking what it was worth to the buyers.
Stole it when doing some drywall repairs.😂
That’s exactly what I was thinking! He said he paid $6500 in the beginning to the cameras and then he told the guy he paid $4500…. I wouldn’t buy shit from this dude
I know a guy who owns a few comic shops in south Florida. I've also frequented his competition. Nobody would have been as generous with this guy. Ryan offered him 2000$ ? All the shops I know would have thrown 800$ offered for all the stuff and wouldn't have gone above 1200$. And that would have been a fair offer. Ryan's 2k$ was a gift. He would have had to catalog it all. Which is time and money. Store it or display it which takes up valuable space. And sit on it which may or may not increase in value. Decrease is more then likely considering the state of Star wars ATM.
True Star Wars merch is going down… the movies and tv shows have been god awful…
@@kevlarunderwear22 Star Wars toys ain't worth shit anymore. I'm really glad I unloaded my Black series during the pandemic before the values started to decline.
You made a great point in this video that I haven’t seen people comment on. The market buyers for old GI Joe dolls are starting to age out. There are not many people who are out there that have that emotional attachment to them, hence the 3 3/4 figures are more in demand. In about 20 years, there will be less of them, and the market will be for things like power rangers and stuff from the early to mid 90s
I don't buy for a second that he paid 4500 dollars for all that crap lol.
the star wars stuff was junk , all in pretty bad shape , im in the UK and my vintage star wars stuff is in great condition and its worth nothing
Drives me nuts people walking in to a store expecting to sell to them for retail price.
I have been reading the comments and I am taken by how personal many of the comments. Talking about the man's weight, appearance and so on. If he does not know what he is doing, or has his own idea of the value or is trying to scam that is one thing and legit to discuss. Myself, I try to learn a bit about what I am trying to trade to have a better understanding of what I am doing. I personally would never FULLY trust someone who I am trying to sell to, because they are looking the lowest price and if they can scam a seller, well they probably would do that to. It is a 2 way street. But to attack someone for being overweight and not looking well that is wrong. I would wonder what I might think if I saw what some of the commenters looked like. Sorry for venting.
Good points.
Comment section is straight childish cancer.
They all read like a 14yr old snot nosed kid wrote it.
"Sorry for venting."
No need to apologize for telling the truth.
@@michaelm.1947100% 😊❤
What’s a scam? How is somebody scammed? I hate when people throw that word around. It’s simple. Somebody offers an item, they offer a price. It the offer is not what you are looking for, walk away. If he can sell it for 100, you will not get 100. He’s not a broker, he’s a dealer.
You sound very sensitive over the littlest of things, words are words ffs. Words may hold value and meaning but only from those you should listen to, not everybody and especially the internet. Hope this helps to stop your suffering.
There's so many people like this in collecting who don't understand that value is relative. The value can only be what buyers are willing to pay, what you originally paid for it is irrelevant.
I just realized this episode that this is very much shot like a documentary series. I don't know who you are camera man, but your killing it. If you are also the editor your killing that too. The tension was real this episode.
He is the cinematographer and the editor! @MattWaltonChannel on youtube
"I just sorta put everything together, I'm sure you do the same thing" Na man.. na... read the room these aren't fucking casuals here LOL
I don't like it when people add on some story into whatever they want to sell. It's always "somebody died" or "I paid this for them" or "I need money for some sad story thing that happened". Regardless it doesn't matter to the buyer and it's hard to not just say "I don't care" when they keep mentioning it.
When you're the one lugging a collection through the front door looking to liquidate it more than likely you're going to take a hit. The exception to the rule might be when you're the original buyer and took care of it all for all that time, got lucky at a storage unit auction, estate sale, ect...
Also the buyers might get things for a decent price with room for profit and the items just sit around for years or never end up selling. You can get screwed even when you think you made a deal.
Save a toy for years. 45 mins to argue over if it's $80 or $50 and yet spend you $60 on a meal on a random tuesday like it's no big deal and if someone asks next week, you'd forget what you ate. Money is valued so weird.
objects, too. Just because something its old does not make it worth more money that it originally sold for. Its fucking insanity that people think otherwise.
“But it’s got a yoda in there” is my favorite quote from this video
Original 1977 Baby Yoda!!!
Yoda was 80/81
The joke obviously dropped a steamy turd on your head as it flew over.
Lololol
2:26 “all the good stuff from the 60s and early 70s” like, guy, Star Wars didn’t come out till 1977 😂😂😂
I gave all my cool old toys to my kid for destruction through playing. Worth every penny.
This is pretty sad... No matter how large your collection, how much it's worth, and how long it's taken to collect it will one day, most likely be bargained off out of tubs, at yard sales, or boxed up and forgotten
Depends what is it barbie plastic figures will definitely follow this road
Yep. Don’t fall in love with material goods. They’re really only rented by you while you’re here.
I know I have some stuff that’s worth a little bit, but when I go, family members mostly don’t want to hold onto that stuff forever - and they don’t feel about it the way you do. More than half of it will end up in a landfill. 🤷♂️
Carry them with you in your heart, all you need is one to represent many. Grow up your an adult, stop playing with Toys.
He didnt pay $4500
The guy that died was no friend of his and he wasnt trying to help anyones family
He has no one to sell any of this to which is why he is at your store 2.5 hours away from his home almost 5 years after he priced it.
Been doing this a long time and I've learned a thing or two about collectibles over the years. 1. Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it 2. The popularity and value of vintage toys continuously FLUCTUATES 3. Before you venture into a vintage toystore to sell your items, DO YOUR RESEARCH and know as much as possible about what you want to sell 4. Any store will ALWAYS offer you less so they can sell for a profit and therefore stay in business
That said, this gentleman most doubtedly paid $4500 for those items. If he did, he grossly overpaid. He should've bitten the bullet, done his homework and taken the time to check each item for completion, damage, etc. and then posted them for sale on their corresponding FB toy groups, online classified sites, at toy shows or lastly ebay. Great video by the way!
It’d drive me mad running a store like this having to deal with people who say they know what they’re talking about when in fact they don’t have a clue, don’t listen, are half asleep and have an overinflated idea of value.
as a former antique dealer I cant stand sellers like this. You have to work five times as hard with them and they all paid to much for the stuff. Always someone dead tied to the collection
I paid market value for something as a collector, buying off of another collector, and all parties were happy. Then after about a week, that guy started emailing me about how he'd underpriced everything and he should have sold it for more, or not sold it at all, or sold it but somehow also hung onto it, it was just ridiculous. Weeks.
Some people will be unhappy that they came out getting more than they asked for. Some people will be unhappy that they got an item for free because they didn't cost the seller more time or money as an inconvenience. Everyone wants to be the prettiest pony in the universe, and believe their stuff is the most awesome best stuff ever even if you could walk into a store today and buy it off a shelf at retail for less.
At the end of the day the question is, do you enjoy the thing? If a person can't enjoy the things without some element of exploiting someone else or feeling superior, they aren't collecting. They're just hoarding with a vindictive attitude.
Selling your dead friend's stuff and throwing a fit about it when you don't get the same overprice you paid is just gross and annoying.
Where did he throw a fit? He was upset about the price clearly, but he sat there calmly, haggled, and ended up working out a deal he liked enough to take. Where did he do anything disgusting? What did he do that's immoral? He got a deal that the everyone agreed on, is it wrong of him to try to get a better deal and then get worked down to a more reasonable one? Is bartering wrong now?
@@Punisherfan123 you dont have to be throwing a literal tantrum to be annoying to work with. he moaned at every price that was thrown out lmfao
As someone who ran a comic store a couple decades ago, this gave me anxiety watching because I've been on both sides of the deal. You feel bad for the guy if he truly paid that much for what he brought in, but it's also frustrating how people think whatever they value something at is what the store should pay for it. Rent is incredibly expensive, employees are expensive, electricity is expensive, insurance on the merchandise, there's so much that goes into running a business that people don't take into account when they come in thinking you should pay full value. Some books we purchased would sit for upwards of a year before they sold, so you are paying to store that inventory in the meantime. 30%-50% of retail really is about as much as anyone should realistically expect to get.
Probably tells everyone his Kiss stuff is worth over a million dollars
Don't always take your friends word on their collection value. Don't always buy it blind off their family.
Wait til guys family tries to sell the Kiss stuff to no one wanting to buy it
Interesting comments here. All of ya'll saying the shop owner is ripping ppl off fail to realize:
1. You are paying him to not have to do the work of selling everything yourself.
2. You are aying for someone else to assume the risk of depreciation market value fluctuation.
3. This goes hand in hand w the concept of liquidity. If it weird and obscure and takes longer to move, risk of depreciation goes up.
I had a lot of those toys in the 80s. GI Joe and Star Wars stuff. I had a large Millennial Falken. Thing is, I played with mine. Blew them up with fire crackers and such.
Many are still buried under the shade of an old oak tree at my childhood home where I played. So many good memories.
The way toys were meant to be appreciated! Not kept in a box to “appreciate “.
This guy(the older dude or the seller)is why i quit going to tot shows...they think anything over ten years old is worth a fortune. Besides, around me you cant even find anything older, its all stuff from 5-6 years ago and way too high and if, if you find anything from the 70s-80s, they think the stuff is some kind of rare, limited gold bars LOL. Toy shows are a joke now.
I occasionally sell older toys to my local comic shops. They’re super nice guys, but I know walking in they’re not going to give me close to retail value on anything I bring in. It’s a business, and they have profit margins to maintain. You have to sell direct to the buyer yourself if you want the most money.
Guy showed up next day with grandma's Beanie baby collection ready to deal
ROFL!!!!
Been down that route myself so I totally get this joke!His starting price would be 75k for Lady Di.Ebay sold are at 1 dollar meanwhile.
These are the things most people don't (won't) understand - Something is only worth what someone will PAY for it. A dealer isn't going to give you retail. Aged and worn isn't mint. Anyone can post value lists on the internet. Broken or pieces missing isn't what collectors are looking for. And last but not least, there's always a chance you overpaid for it in the first place.
There are plenty of stupid/gullible people on Ebay that will pay an astronomical amount because of how much that individual sees the value in something, this is why using pawn shops and mom and pop shops for deals and trading is a waste of time.
Why waste the gas and energy to drive somewhere, when I can throw it on ebay and get way more than what it's actually worth.
I sold Star Wars toys to a shop decades ago. They then doubled what I'd been paid for each of them and put them on their shelves. I was fuming, but they were all still there when the shop went out of business.
oooof this was hard to watch. im a little over 40 and those big dolls were never appealing to me. the market for those like the buyer said it just aint there at all. you really got to dig to find someone who wants that stuff. plus a bunch of crap accesories that no one will ever really need or look for. that stuff will sit forever. the offer was pretty generous as is. this guy dont understand that the collectors for that era are dying off, not interested, dont want to spend on it and are minimizing.
100%. THEY ARE DOLLS!!! Not ACTION FIGURES! Not many guys want DOLLS!!! lol
I’m a collector of my favorite properties but my rule of thumb is to buy what I love. If it’s worth something down the road that’s a bonus.
People need to realize that the store needs to resell these toys to make profit. Whenever I sell something to a game store, I don't expect to be given market value. If I want market value then I'll sell everything myself. And I give props to the worker who was very patient.
That picture of the kid with his toys was great. For that moment he was happy and that’s a beautiful thing to have in a photo. Rest In Peace to that fellow human
The fact he never stopped talking is the first red flag
filling empty space. artifice and subterfuge
One thing about collecting you have to learn before you get to this guy's age... oftentimes, you're lucky if you manage to break even. "Vintage" doesn't exactly mean "gold mine" unless it's sealed, complete, not yellowed AND it's something people want.
I don’t think people stop to think about what you just posted. The last vintage Star Wars figs came out 40 years ago almost. Yet with eBay, you can find a loose figure anytime. Carded and boxed examples are still out there for a price. That means there was a ton of that stuff made. I feel bad for people who started keeping stuff form the mid 90s and beyond, when people stopped opening toys and bought them to hoard.
As a man who works at a large collectible toys shop in Texas that sees walk in sales daily, no way in hell would we buy anything from that man, he drove a long way to get outside the area where he lives to a shop that didn’t know his face. Could’ve been that he came that far to get the items out of city limits in event he had problems from the family for stolen property (if that’s what happened). I know Ernie would’ve politely told him to go pound sand. Little things like wrapping plastic around figures to discourage the buyer from taking a closer look for small cracks those figures are known for is one red flag. When someone says the item is in a factory sealed box and the sealing tape is still in place, most people don’t realize that people just use a hot hair dryer or heat gun to warm it up to loosen the tape adhesive to get inside then re-seal the box, so never assume it’s never been opened unless you like buying bricks labeled as an X-wing fighter.
The shop owner (Apologies i forget his name) seems like he knows his stuff so i am sure he was careful, you dont know what he checked off camera. I do agree with you though to not trust a stranger at face value and inspect all the items for damage and tampering.
It is good to show the reality of things too. Often things don't work out like the seller imagines when he comes in. That is not bad, just being realilistic and fair. Too many of these would be depressing (even if realistic) but showing some comes across as a honest and true.
Thanks for appreciating the episode!
There is a small timeframe where adults want to collect the things that made them happy as kids. Once you are outside of the frame, vintage mass-produced consumer goods lose most of it’s value. Practically nobody gives a crap about vintage-era GI Joe accessories anymore.
this is spot on, i have tons of things i saved from when i was a kid. and then ive added a few things over the years. everyone who sees my collection of stuff always says how much is this worth! i always say "nothing its just cool to have". at this point i cant bring myself to downsize against the ebay competition for pennies. i have a few afa figures that will sell easily and make a profit. but the majority of my stuff i told my niece to sell when i die for whatever she can get for herself since itll all be profit for her.
Yep. Market fluctuates. Toys are meant to be bought, owned, and played with.
@@toyfederation Correct. Every time I see a mint boxed toy from the 60s and 70s I think of a kid who never came out of hospital.
People seem to think loose vintage Star Wars are a gold mine. They don't realize the accessories are worth more than the figure. The figures weren't so easily lost as the weapons
We need more. Absolutely digging this channel.
More every Saturday Morning at 9!
The Seller was just obnoxious.
I love how people trying to sell stuff use the price they paid for it as if that has any bearing on the current negotiation.
You getting hosed in a previous transaction does not get passed on to me.
I’m a bike mechanic. I buy, fix, and sell bikes. It’s hilarious how some people will stick to their guns when it comes to prices they want to get for their junk that they don’t even really know about. I constantly have to go into great detail about all the work their bike needs and parts that need to be replaced, which is why my offer is 1/5th of what a pristine example goes for. Even better is when someone thinks they have a “race bike” or “old Schwann” that turns out to be literally worthless except as yard art. I’ve even stood next to someone, looked up the serial number of a bike to show them it’s not from the 60s, it’s re-pop from the early 2000s that just happens to be extremely rusty and old looking, and they accused me of tampering with the website as though that is more logical than them being wrong. “I know what I got” usually means the opposite.
If he wanted top dollar he would have to put in the work researching and selling on eBay. Selling to a store for a much lower price gets rid of all that responsibility
This episode kinda reflects how I feel when I argue with people who say physical videogames and consoles from the 1980s and 90s are going to be expensive and hold their value forever. I try to tell them that no one cares what is 'rare' or how 'valuable' one of their 'grails' is.... almost EVERYTHING collectible will be worth little to nothing eventually. I see these fools with NES games going on about how this piece of hardware or that game is worth thousands - and I think, _"do you not understand that kids today do not care about those things, let alone value them?"_
We are even seeing it now, as a lot of these old games that where being fought over by resellers at yardsales several years back, are ow sitting on store listings, and in Mom & Pop shops, gathering dust - because the heat around collecting them has cooled off (as that demographic has entered their 40s and 50s). I was born in the 80s, and now I'm bloody 40 years old!!!! Jesus Christ time flies. Pretty soon the things my generation grew up with - like Ninja Turtles, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Marvel Action Figures, Transformers.... those are not going to be worth much in another decade or so.
It's math: Most collectors are men.... men live on average 5-10 years less than women. The prime collecting years are 18 - 35, and after that the crowd of collectors who stay with the hobby shrinks dramatically. Most the people who grew up with 12" GI Joe's are currently 60 - 75. The people who grew up with Atari, Intellevision, Collecovision and toys like Kenner Star Wars and Match box are on average between 45 - 60. Those of us who grew up with 4" Gi Joe, He-man, Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Power Rangers, NES, Sega Genesis, Gameboy NES.... we are between 35 - 45 years-old.
This all goes for comics and other collectibles too.
The kids today and for along time now, did not grow up caring about toys for the most part, and almost all of them are not attached to physical objects or certain brands or game consoles. If you were born in the late 90s and since.... you only care about what is on your phone screen, and the digital world. NO ONE IS GOING TO REPLACE US. If your holding on to things from pop-culture past for monetary purposes, then SELL IT NOW! Very little of it is going to hold its value, let alone be worth MORE?
If you collect these things, do it because they mean something to you, and expect it to end up in a trash heap somewhere or a basement after you pass on. Humans, objects, even culture - DOES NOT LIVE ON FOREVER. Everything has a end, and the world goes on. You cannot expect your things to hold value to future generations, and you cannot expect other people your age to pay high prices for something you still think is worth what it was a decade (or decades) ago.
When you fail to do that, you get a grown man in the floor crying and having a late life crisis, because his brain just can't accept that no one (generally speaking) wants his 'valuable' stuff, and those small niche hardcore collectors of whatever it is, that do... they are not going to pay what was top dollar years and years ago, when the market for it is literally dying off, and cool as ice.
And then they get mad, when people have to break reality to them.
Born in 90 and I grew up playing with Star Wars and gijoe until I was 12-13. Kids now a days have a personal gaming computer in their bedroom by that time lol crazy
Same thing in the car market. 1950s cars have decreased in value because the demographic that had nostalgia for those cars is dying out.
It should be pointed out here though too things went off their head during 2020-21 in basically all areas of collecting and investment, now the economy has turned and with inflation everything has cooled off and will continue to do so, a lot of people are not smart enough to judge the state of markets properly. I think you are making some pretty broad generalisations too about what current young people and incoming generations want, if what you say was true then nothing really old would have any value anymore but that is clearly not the case, maybe it becomes more niche and only stand out stuff as things get older, but there always tends to be a market.
Certain toys like pokemon and star wars still have a modern day following from kids. Especially with the movies and videogames
Thats why i now start selling my movie poster and photo collections. While posters with good artwork will have some value forever, most are worthless. Luckily i collected Horror movies which are still popular but it also change in a few years. Movies are not important part of teenager life anymore and thats where the retro collection comes from as you correctly said.
What will the current generation collect? I don't think there i a lot.
The only way to get "Top Dollar" is to sell it all yourself. But then you will find that some items move fast while other stuff sits forever. Of course , you have to take less $$ if you want someone else to move it all for you.
Fold out tables are cheap and convenient. Double knee replacement is not.
My knees always hurt watching these videos
Unfortunately sellers like that gentleman are getting more and more common. Holding onto the "value" they once were. Definitely handled that with professionalism!
Thank you. Sometimes it's hard for people to understand how our business works.
Same attitude with guys selling Harley Davidsons, buddy...you overpaid for the bike to begin with and there is a Harley for sale on every corner. Unless you have a mint 1930s-1950s...im not paying off your loan for you.
I have been collecting various things over the years, and it always amazes me when someone sells to a store and expects eBay prices from the store. That top value is rare and bidding wars can increase the price. However its nice he gave his friends mom good money, again so much work goes into a store like all operation costs, and the time it takes to sell it. I know it's hard to accept, just like my comics are not worth what i want. The option is to sell it on your own if you want top value. Important video for perspectives on collecting. Glad i subscribe, thanks pixel dan
A great statement! Couldn't agree more! And yes, Thank you to Pixel Dan for getting you here!
If you get vintage stuff....(1940's-early 1970's)...sell to a collector...NOT a dealer!
Not always true
Usually depends on how fast you want to get rid of it. Finding the right collector can take some time.
Wasn’t that complicated the guy had unrealistic expectations.. oh and he was lying about getting that stuff for 4k. He’s used that number as leverage. 😂😂
You sell to a collector...NOT a dealer! You'll get the best price...
If he paid $4500 to help out his friend's mom, then he's also putting a price on his act of charity. I know that's an expense on him, but expecting the get reimbursed for that doesn't set well with me. In the end, I don't really care, but you need to ask yourself if you're really being charitable if you expect to profit from it later on.
Fair statement
Great point. I agree.
If he paid the mom $4500 then the one that robbed him was the mom. When you try to sell a whole collection to a vendor or toy store, you're never going to get what you paid for or what you think they're worth. A business needs to make money off the sell. No one can actually believe that TF was going to give him more than $2k for all of this. TF has bills to pay and god only knows how long it would take to sort out all those toys, plus how long it's going to take to sell them all off. If that guy wanted more, he should have sold it on eBay or forums.
Nice to be understood
There’s no way in hell he shelled out $4500 for all that crap, maybe $500 at the most. People his age get access to deals like that all the time, his peers all have this old crap. He sold those hot wheels for $100, it was like 60 cars an expert would have valued those closer to $300-$600. Guy cleary was just working off an estimate of $4500 and hoped to get more than that or most of it by saying he paid it. There really wasn’t anything in there to justify paying over $2000, I doubt he’s going to give a 90 year old lady $4500 for a couple country yard sale bins, if he did that tgat just makes him the biggest sucker ever.
LOL sounds like mom swindled this guy to get this crap out of her house ha ha ha
I used to run a sports card shop.. this was painful to watch because it reminds me how many times I had to crush people's dreams when they thought they had a retirement IRA in their closet, and I had to be the one telling them it was next to worthless today. Heart goes out to both the guy who over paid and the guys have to try to gentle let him down.
As a former dealer you also know this guy was full of shit, and his repeated attempts to convince he paid $4500 for that stuff was a ridiculously obvious (and lame) ploy to attempt to convince the shop owner to "at least give him his money back."
meh I think he was telling the truth because he took more than half of it back with him@@thepaulhenderson
The thing about collectibles is they are only worth what someone is willing to pay you. Even if the experts agree something is worth $100 you still have to find the person to pay you $100!
A business is not going to pay you $100 for something they can only sell for $100!
'The thing about collectibles is they are only worth what someone is willing to pay you.'
You can literally say that about anything.
Because it’s true. Like, literally.
The perspective of a business owner with overhead is a far different thing than a guy cruising thrift stores and flipping some items on eBay.
Terrible!
That guy with a sob story trying to scam the shopkeeper.
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Generations get older, their memories become precious, and all the crap from their childhoods go up in price. Then they die off and the market dries up, then you've got a a garage full of literal garbage.
It all ends up in a landfill at some point.
Dude doesn’t look like he’s missing any meals, so 🤷♂️
Yeah..the comment he made about the market “aging “ hit hard…but I sure don’t want that crap again , let alone pay top dollar for it..
So true. Applies to retro computing too. I feel we’re approaching peak value in that market now.
At the end of the day, the dude just had to feel like he “won”. I commend you for not exploding with frustration. I don’t have that cool lol.
Not into vintage toys but somehow stumbled on your channel. Your knowledge of these items is staggering! I Found myself drawn in to this video I don’t know why. You obviously care about your customers and want them to be happy.
he prob thought he was buying a gold mine off his friends mom when his friend died and wanted first grabs at it and then is realizing its not really worth that much.
Perfectly said! He jumped at the chance of buying out his "Friends" collection hoping to make a profit. That's all he cared about.
How could this be so boring but yet sooooo entertaining?
Watching a nerd argue with a Bozo😂
Hilarious! Anyone can say "This is worth 80 grand" but the thing is if people aren't looking to buy it, then it's not worth crap. I never see anyone collecting the larger G.I. Joes. Mostly the smaller sizes.
And there will come a day when people will stop collecting that as well. Just how it works.
Once someone starts complaining or describing small details bout 1 thing you know they bout to rip you off
Love this content! This should be a television show. I can watch this all day long! Great stuff
Stay tuned.
This is the first time I watched someone buy a collection that was actually not trying to rip the customer off or not having the attitude like oh well it's not my fault the guy doesn't know what it's worth. This guy is awesome and is clearly going through every with the man. Thank God there are still good guys like this owner/buyer.
One of many things I do not miss about the pawnbroking industry. Poorly-kept items a person thinks has collector value in shit condition.
Everyone thinks they have a goldmine, thats the trouble, I totally get it these dudes are dealing with it everyday- its just product to them and its emotional to the seller. Everyone thinks because they have a vintage yoda figure they can put kids through college with it.
He got suckered into paying 4500 and was looking for a bail out like it was somehow your fault. You did good deed hopefully there was a piece in there someone wanted and needed for a good price.
Spot on. He bought the lot without knowing if there was anything worth while. A huge collection means nothing especially if it has already been stripped of its valuable items.
The 12 inch Joe collectors are almost always boomers who think stuff is valuable because they had it as a kid. He's also the same kind of guy to set up at a flea market at as $25 for a copy of super Mario duck hunt.
I love 12-inch joes as a Gen z individual who didn't grow up with it, and those collectors are crazy like, bruh, it's not 2001 anymore. No one wants them, which is sad. The only reason why I collect them is in 2004 when I was 6 kb toys had the 40th anniversary line that I was mesmerized with, but I'm not going to pay 300-500 for an original joe on ebay
No one cares "what you got in it" Harsh truth, but they're honest and trying to run a business.
I was at a show in Pasadena last year. There were some older guys with a ton of 12" Joe stuff. They weren't selling much. And the guys that were interested were pretty old. You're right people in that market are aging out.
This guy seemed like he thought his sob story would make him rich, and expected him to complete the pieces of the sets for him...
Its all worth as much as someone is prepared to pay for it. Not necessarily what you WANT to get for it.
Word! That's the cardinal rule everybody seems to ignore.
Smartest comment in here
I'm a reseller too. And it can get super frustrating when buying collections. Most of the time, the seller doesn't know the value and think they are sitting on a gold mine. Sometimes they are, but then they want you to pay collector price. Like they expect you not to make any money. I always tell them good luck, and that they can look for a collector who will pay the full price. I simply cant. I can only really pay 50% of what they sell for. Maybe less depending on the pile and if it's a niche IP. A lot factors come in. Also, as a reseller we don't have time to piece things together. So I pay even less for incomplete stuff. If I find it, then yes okay, but it's not guaranteed. The worst part is where the seller paid too much and wants to make their money back or make a profit.
My guess is he paid his friend's mother $500 bucks for all the toys.
Something about the figure being bigger, and being able to show more detail because it's bigger, just makes me love the 12 inch guys. GiJoe vs Cobra, and Valor vs Venom produced some of the coolest 12 inch joes. I'm 27 now so I'm more partial to the ones I grew up with. But man your store looks awesome and it reminds me of the antique mall I go to here in VB Beach. Hang on to any 12 inch Joes or Star Wars figures for me! 👊
Since you love 12in guys, you should stick to BBC
When you ask a buyer to look at your stuff and give you an offer, and you don’t like the offer, just say “thanks for looking, but ill pass”. I cant stand when seller’s argue with buyers like this guy did. Just walk away, and bring it to someone else. If its REALLY worth what you say it is, you shouldn’t have an issue finding SOMEONE to get close to your asking price.
People always forget that they can say no. Or it’s just sales tactics. It’s fine.
It's not what something is "worth", it's only what someone is willing to pay for it!
Theyre old plastic toys. People often think this shit is worth big money. But then you see them taking up space in antique shops and never selling. Its plastic.
Yeah. Those SW toys that look like they've been played with a lot are not uncommon. Collectors want things nice and shiny and new looking, with the original packaging, preferably.
And SW is just not as popular as it used to be.
They are worth something to someone, even the Mona Lisa is just paper and paint, you can't write off the value something has based on what it's made of
Main reason why I’m an out of box collector.
Yeah, they cover the walls of comic book shops, even the store owners know they are more decor then actual stock. Never seen anyone come in and buy one.