The Strongest Civilization In AoE2 (ATM)
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The only weak side of the georgians, the price of the DLC
Where stand DLC for?
@@fth68 Downloadable content. You have to buy this civ. Just a joke of @-shadow2407 I think.
FUCK! totally agree
@@fth68
What*
Downloadable Content (extra content thats launched after the game release)
That is what the steam wishlist is for.
If you want to counter the Georgians, the devs need to add the Alabamians to the game.
roll tide
Saracens and Memelukes already exist.
They can research "Moonshine" for health degeneration.
😅😅 Well done sir.
Georgians probably just need -50 wood or so at the start to get them balanced without removing any mechanics.
Underused strat with georgians is going cav archers, they are only missing thumbring but profit from the healing and less pop space, great mobile counter to halberdiers u usually run into
I think devs should remove the hp cav bonus from feudal, not fair vikings had to pay for berserks, berbers have to pay for camels (so expensive), monaspas are absurdly broken, more melee armor and attack are even higher than the old aoe standars, and the unique tech that makes ur cavarly taking less pop space is basically the same as the bengalies tech but even better, with 15% more units and cheaper
agreed. Even better idea to only make healing apply to knights and monaspas (gold units) and not light cav line
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 What about healing for Spear+Skirm instead of Cavalry as they are supposed to be a "Defensive" civ. Right now they seem to be the exact opposite, literally the most "Aggressive" civ of the game.
Georgians dont have bomabard canon.. Healing bonus must be retained to all cav. People should improve gameplay instead complaining for nerfing or buffing. Use the unique bonus with the good strategy. @@HeraAgeofEmpires2
The price of the cav unique units from newer civs really show the power creep of the more recent DLCs: Back in the day, we had Cho-Ko-Nu, Mangudai, Cataphracts, Longbows etc. all basically slightly altered versions of units that were stronger in their own way, but also came with a very similar or even slightly higher cost. Now we have Leitis, Coustelliers, Monaspa, ... units that BOTH cost much less than a knight AND are much better. Really bad balancing imo.
@@couchpotatoe91 ironically, unique units are supposed to be more expensive than generic ones, like every infantry unique unit, but cavarly units are better a cheaper, wtf is that?
This is great point, massing Mangudai is bit hard since mongols dont have an eco bonus to get there since they are really expensive (all the techs you need to research + the raw cost of the unit). Mongol late game is possibly top 10/top5 best of the game but you dont have facilities that Georgeans do. Increasing the cost and reducing a bit of their eco power might be a good option to nerf them without killing the civ.
At the same time i want to say the church is a borderline overpowered building, it ofers too much for its cost on top of that on this civ it booost your economy so hard and its almost imposible to punish with an aggressive push.
Well consider first how "used" those expensive UUs were time ago (I mean at DE launch both Keshiks and Leiciai were just soo bad for their higher cost they got before), Cavalry UUs need to have a reason to be made and already mining stone from multiple castles is a hard task, also, we already have seen cases of Cavalry UUs that cost more but still were overpowered (at DE launch Bulgarians were worse than nowdays but Konniks were completely overpowered, and they were more expensive to upgrade, as well pre nerf Centurions in castle age).
Monaspas have way less HP than knights
@@rodriguedelhay1231 So what? They have 3/2 and 5/2 (elite) armor. Even the pierce armor with 2 is decent compared to other unique cav units that only have 1 like the Leitis, Cataphract, or Konnik.
Against everything except Leitis or Composite bowmen it basically makes them better since armor gets better exponentially until 1dmg where it's neglegible. In short: The low hp is a downside only in fringe cases. They're still way more cost efficient than knight against literally everything (even Leitis) due to their meagre 45 gold cost even without being massed which is just way too good for a balanced civ imo.
The Georgian has abilities for free that other civilizations pay for with a crown, but since the feudal age. Simply absurd.
Thank you Hera I fall asleep to your soothing voice
Hera and T900 a hard choice when we need to go for sleep
honestly Hera should try to read some audio books for some companies or something?
It’s his brutally honest commentary. No filter. It’s nice to watch him break things down in real time. He’s usually very calm, which is why he’s so nasty.
@@felipetst29 t900 sometimes yells randomly so its no good for falling asleep, heras voice is very consistent
Or it may be because you are watching when you are about to go to sleep, like I do😅🤣
What saddens me the most about Georgians is that their tech tree and options are incredibly broad and wide but the civ just never makes use of their Tower bonuses and flexibility because you always want to go for Castles to spam Monaspas...
I think the unit needs a massive nerf more than anything (Like -4 or more base attack or +40 gold cost. I like a combination of both personally), the healing also needs a bit of rethinking (I wish it was 15% like before but locked into their Imperial tech).
I wouldn't mind a slight nerf to their Church bonus either, say like 8%.
The civ would end up being a fair bit worse but also much more versatile and, hopefully, fun to play as I really like the "defensive and cavalry" archetype. Is very unique and I want them to be more than just spam your op unit.
I wish the real georgians were a steonger civ. Getting effed by russia recently, and less recently.
To be fair, they effed themselves by making bad decisions.
😂 georgians became russian proxy state right now😂
Georgians have been getting effed by Russians for all their history. source: am georgian
Georgia is quietly strong. Guess Georgians who shaped Soviet Union, which in turn shaped Russia today? Joseph Stalin & Lavrentiy Beria. And then in AOE2's Middle Age settings we knew Mongols civ which was scary back then & even defeated the Rus & Khwarezmians, but today Mongolia is just being ping-ponged by China & Russia.
I just got them in a random, I’m pretty noob but I followed heras build order for them and I crushed it with monaspa and castles.
I could already tell which civ it was on the thumbnail by the Castle design and the shape of the coat of arms.
My versions of the Georgians and Armenians from a few years ago and then again last year were considerably more balanced, historically accurate, and interesting. The Georgians were designed around having a strong late game with a lackluster early game, with their defenses helping them get to their long late game, while the Armenians were an aggressive, early rushing civilization, but their strengths tapered off as the game went on. If you could survive an early Armenian cavalry push (they were historically good with cavalry), then you would have an easier time in the late game, as the Armenians didn't have many strengths after that point. Sure, the Armenians had good siege, another one of their historical specialties, but siege is slow, vulnerable to BBCs, and expensive.
The Georgians, on the other hand, had excellent infantry in the late game (their historical specialty), along with decent cavalry, but they needed to rely on their towers to get them there, as tower rushing was really the only early game strategy they could do. Once they were in the Imperial Age, though, and got their unique tech to give their Champions +30 HP (real subtle, devs), they would start to get much stronger.
These specialties, power spikes, and periods of the game where those civs are stronger and weaker are all historical, as the real Kingdom of Georgia was primarily good with infantry and only really reached its peak in the later Middle Ages. The Armenians, on the other hand, were good with cavalry and siege weapons (NOT infantry and ships, mind you) and their peak was in the early Middle Ages, which is why I designed them to have a strong early game power spike with a weaker late game. The devs going in the direction they did with these civs is baffling, as my designs are not only more balanced, but more historically accurate and interesting, as I stated in my first sentence. The devs seemed to have completely disregarded history when it came to the Armenians, and balance when it came to the Georgians. Unlike my concept, they didn't even get a new architecture set. Overall, considering how much I know about and love the history of the Caucasus, it's kind of a disappointing DLC. If they had just cribbed my ideas wholesale without many changes, I would have been upset about not getting credit, but they would be far better than the official versions, at least in my opinion.
Sorry for the essay, but I had to get my thoughts out there.
-50 wood at start, force wood chopping for a mill. Start healing in castle age. Remove healing for cav archers. Match gold cost for Monaspa to knight line. Even with all these changes, you would still see Georgians picked in tournaments. They would still be high A tier. Makes sense to me.
Georgians are totally busted, need a nerf. Classic honey pot PTW strategy by Microsoft, will 100% be nerfed once enough people buy the DLC. Very cynical but the civ is utterly broken
Damn I though that by having such a good early game they would be lacking in the late game department, but they are absolutely broken early, mid and late game. Insane civ
Thanks for filling online with Georgians... at the very least post a "How to beat Georgians".
The Dravidians shade continues! 11
Bring back -50 wood a defensive civ should have a slow start
Cav healing should start at castle age.
I think these 2 changes would make them much more balanced.
Nah Nah Nah, all these things - early build order, archer opening, scout opening etc is relevant only for very high ELO players where they GG within 35-45 minutes. Sudden Civ bonuses are also relevant for them.
For mid and low ELO players, with typical games lasting 2 hours, we are essentially looking for maximum crush power in the post imperial age and in this, till date nothing compares to the crush power AND speed of Frankish paladins. This is why Franks are still popular cuz nobody can deal with a paladin rush - not even a Goth pike spam. So, we need stuff more on these aspects!!So these fun things about Georgians are of no use to us!!
Monaspas melt Paladins like butter and are much cheaper, so I don't know about that...
dravidian slander is always justified and relevant🤣🤣🤣
It depends on how you define "strongest civilization". Most of your video explains why its very good for Arabia and other open maps 1v1 and TG. But overall there are plenty of map categories where Georgians aren't that great like water maps, Nomad, Arena. Portugese seem to be the only civ that are top tier in all the categories. If I remember correctly, they were the only civ picked across all categories in Warlords 3. And even if you're considering only open maps, I wouldn't think they are that much stronger than a civ like Chinese. Likewise Monaspas strictly deal lower damage than a 2 relic Leitis against almost all units. Monaspa also have -40 hp compared to Leitis. So I believe the perception of Monaspa being broken is due to Georgians being very strong before imp unlike Lithuanians rather than the unit itself. Crazy how a + or - 50 food at the start impacts a civ's usage and popularity.
In Microsoft headquarters...
-We realise a DLC without any broken civ.
Proceed to buff Georgians until they are OP.
Huge Georgian nerf in coming. I've foreseen it
Hey guys, who would be interested in having a community of players where we can discuss 1-2 times a week about the game? Maybe having zooms or presentations with pro players?
They should make it, so that the fortified church gives 10 population space on top of monastary, fire arrows when garissoned and boosting your economy lol
the mule cart should require an upgrade of a very little resource to make it moveable(each individual mulecart) , also needs to pack and unpack like trebs imo
Now the question is... does Hera believe this, OR is this a massive bait for his RBW opponents 😮
so I have to pay to get the best strat build order? sounds like pay-to-win, Hera
Just remember the strongest deathmatch civ is Sicilians, never go against a Sicilian with death(match) on the line
Makes a change from Franks being 54% WR with 10%PR
Maybe the game need The great Alabamian Empire as a counter to Georgian?
Funny my favorite civ
Man, what are the counters? You served the question on the silver platter and didn't deliver the answer!
Flaming Camels with Halbs
Counter is nerf by devs. Until then alt f4
mule cart vision should be reduced - would make sense as well.
Hey, I'm kinda a hardstuck noob but I just wanted to share that I jumped from 950 to 1050 in two days by using your Georgian 16 vil Scout rush build order (I suck tho so I usually do 17)! I picked it up after watching your recent Yeti Monk coaching video featuring the Georgians. This video has been incredibly helpful as a summary of the strengths of this civ. Thanks a lot
What's your strategy generally especially in Castle Age? Just played one game with them and lost to Lithuanians. I'm also in the same elo bracket.
Damn that random Karambit jab was uncalled for 😄
Release DLC. Make civ op. Ppl buy DLC. Nerf broken civ. Rinse and repeat. They’ve been doing this for years now.
Georgians kinda sucked at the start though, maybe not for pro play, but overall, they had a 43% winrate
@@phoebus72 I was still operating under the assumption that Georgians were the trash civ until about a week ago
Have you ever played a game were this practice was actually present? It is very different to how Georgians fared in this game.
I have sad it before, but AOE2 players tend to forget how incredible well they are having it
They got the worst winrate when released.
No change needed for Georgians. Best civ ever. Play Georgians if it is strong civ. That's the only solution.😂😂😂. Buy dlc if dont have. Campaign is good and buildings are good as well.
I wouldn't say that they make new DLC civs OP, but they tend to make them....uhm, appear so at first glance?
Either way, the balance in this game is extremely good
Georgians got the worst winrate at release.
@@rodriguedelhay1231 You are missing the point. New civs tend to LOOK like they are going to be strong.
Their actual winrate after release has nothing to do with this
Another factor I would had for lower ELO : the psychological factor.
Under 1200ish, we don't scout much to see what will come, but we have enough knowledge of the game to fear what can happen. So we may prepare for monaspas only to realize the Georgian is booming or going CAs. The fact that the civ is so good at a variety of things is monstrous at lower low-mid ELO. The same can kinda be said with Mongols, but they're not that easy to play cause of the slowing eco
PLEASE make a review of the worst civ of the game, Bulgarians.
Havnt played in a few months, i beat wukong 3x and have been playing elden ring DLC.. cant wait to get back into it
they need a HUGE nerf, give them back the -50 and nerf churchs for good sake, no stone tower is just an unfair game
Playing scouts with georgians is like playing Tryndamere top in LoL.
GOOD GAME
Just need to remove that free mule at the start because all the snowball efect in eco. It is simply broken
And nothing done for improving infantry. This game is made for archers.
eh? is not an insult at all, but u are new in the game right? the archers line has already 3 nerf in a row.
@@DantoG nerf? which ones? I do not remember. I play on weekends regularly
@@DantoG 4 arches + fletching on my woodline = GG. But if I have 4 scouts in his woodline, does nothing because 1 spear will be there or even villagers kill scouts in early feudal. Also, archer eco is always ahead to go Castle so Crossbow = GG. Also, they can kill aything with just archers, but any other composition needs to add another unit to counter the counter. Skirms are slow + need distance to attack and then Opponent just move archers back then go Castle faster. Also, 1 scout kills 10 skirms LOL - Game is made for archers. THERE IS NO CHEAP WAY TO COUNTER ARCHERS!!!!
@@lipecanad4
"They can kill anything with just archers, there is no cheap way to counter archers!"
Two rows below: "One scouts kills 10 skirms" (Not true btw, especially not past Feudal Age).
So you got your own answer, and scout skirm is the strongest 1v1 composition in Feudal Age, so there's that. Archers are just as fast as skirms so if you get caught you still lose units.
Also the weaknesses of archers are low mobility (You have to always know when you can move out or not because one mistake and you lose your whole army or leave your base exposed) and much higher attention to them as one mistake and you are dead.
Archers are also timing/mass dependent to find great damage as they lose value very fast otherwise.
There is a reason archer play is becoming very unpopular currently at higher elos.
@@Mattroid99 at low Elo 1000 - 1500, only 6 archers +1 +1 is enough to do a big damage, even if you clean them with scouts, the price is high. Also archer player is always spamming them from 2 buildings, so base is never without defense. Skirms cannot reach them, once a group of skirms shoot, archers are 50 meters away. To do scouts + skirms spend a lot of food, so opponent will be castle first with deadly crossbowmen
Sure, totally nothing to do with selling DLC :P
Hi Hera, any nerf ideas to the georgians? its always an auto ban in tournaments!
Huns, mongols and magyars can challenge georgians in feudal age
Monaspa need to lose a melee armor too. It’s bonkers how tanky they are
how to counter them? I tried everything...
i really dont know, early pressure when there is no churchs up and is not walled i guess?
m@a archers and that's it
I miss the days when the Malians were unstoppable
What Civs do best against the Georgians?
So damn hyped for Red Bull!
The easiest matchup vs Italy.
So next video is on Dravidians.
How much is the dlc?
what the hell is this civ...
Tl;dr Poles but better
it's nerfing time.
ty!
Sounds OP
nerffffff!!!!
OP
What civs give georgians a hard time?
Camel Civs (Hindustanis, Tatars, Persians, Berbers) Flaming Camels
what does DLC stand for
Download Content
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If you build two fortified churches to cover a gold mine, does it increase the vils working the gold mine by 20%?
I believe the bonus doesnt stack
@@ShadowBeetle thanks for answering
Is this an out of season April fools joke? WAKE UP!
One of two civs that I dont own. Aoe2 is pay 2 win
Sad that my favorite nostalgic experience has become p2w
First :3
hi
mate it really does sound like its very pay to win given that a lot of casual players do not really buy the DLC. you can check the numbers there.
but the other DLC civs were not nearly as strong. So I dont think its a malicious pattern from microsoft based on that!
0:58 ok bro i am unsubbing u... U are hating dravidians for no reason... I am a south indian and it hurts me to listen to you hating on dravdidans 🥲, besides u got rekt by viper playing Dravidians with urumi... Such a noob 😂
Just kidding 😅