Better Aircraft - Epic E1000 vs Piper M600/SLS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2020
- Hey guys welcome to a brand new video. Today we will be taking a look at 2 popular single engine turboprop aircraft and comparing them!
Our first aircraft is the The Piper M600/SLS which is a variant of Pipers M-Class Aircraft. Next is the newly certified Epic E1000.
In 2015, Piper introduced the M600, as an upgrade to the M500. It received its FAA certification on June 18, 2016. Between June 2016 and March 2018, 50 were delivered, mostly in the U.S. and mostly are owner-flown. When Piper introduced the M600, we exceeded industry expectations for performance and operational ease in a single-engine pressurized turboprop. A clean-sheet designed wing was a key foundational enhancements that paved the way for product growth. Now we are using that platform to raise the bar in safety, luxury and support. Introducing the M600/SLS, setting new standards for aircraft in every category, meeting the highest standard in general aviation. Before we move on i wanted to point out that the Piper has a special Safety system. Its called The HALO™ Safety System which is a compilation of innovative technologies unique to the M600/SLS. Including but not limited to Hypoxia Recognition with Automatic Descent Mode Monitors pilot activity when the autopilot is engaged above 14,100 ft. If needed, it brings the aircraft to a lower altitude to allow recovery from hypoxia. If the pilot does not immediately recover, Autoland will activate and land the aircraft. Automatic Level Mode (Blue Button) Returns the aircraft to a wings-level attitude with zero vertical speed at the push of a button and SafeTaxi®A highly detailed, geo-referenced airport map displays your aircraft’s position on the airfield with an overlaid map of hold-short line.
Next, The Epic E1000 is an American single-engine, six-seat, turboprop light aircraft under development by Epic Aircraft of Bend, Oregon. Epics aim wass that the E1000 will be the fastest single-engine civil aircraft at its time of introduction On Epic Aircraft official website this is how they describe the aircraft From urban city center to remote backcountry airstrips, the versatile E1000 provides access to more airports than any other aircraft in its class. With speed, performance, superior short field and slow handling capabilities, trailing link landing gear, and full reversing prop, Epic expands your horizons from the concrete jungle to the tropical jungle and beyond. Your choice. No sweat. Let the adventure begin.
The flight deck of The Epic E1000 features a 3-Screen Garmin G1000 NXi Avionics Package with Synthetic Vision, and Sirius XM Weather. On the other hand the Piper SLS has a Garmin G3000 avionics package.
Sources : Piper Aircraft, Inc. and Epic Aircraft
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Great video thank you! I would have been nice to see a comparison on the interior...
Nice review.
whatever you prefer, i wish you the best of luck to buying one someday!!
One is two times powerful than the other. Also the price is much more higher. It’s obvious that the Epic wins. But I still believe that the M600 is a fantastic option with great value for money.
Epic wins, but hampered by outdated avionics. Epic need to address this, because anything outdated in such a sleek aircraft is really disappointing.
It wouldn’t be in the same price range at that point.
@@thezeek2745 they are not that different, talking millions of dollars for both crafts so Garmin 1000 and 3000 isn't that much considering your spending ass loads of cash, so price is irrelevant
Epic wins 4 sure....and not hampered with an outdated power plant!!!
No, Epic is designed for fast, not for convenience and safety; it doesn't really have a windshield. Like the Pipistrel Panthera, it's hard to say it has a roof window or side window, but not a windshield for sure; I mean, you can barely see the runway.
@@shable1436 if price is irrelevant, buy Citation CJ4
Where did you get your cost per hour figures? Did the Piper M600 cost per hour include the included the 5 year no cost routine maintenance provided on new M600 aircraft?
So the price per hour is based on 450 owner operated hours per Year without ever chartering the aircraft to cut back the cost. In addition to some fixed costs and some variable costs.
I believe the SLS has a 7 year deal
Love your video could you do a TTX vs Cirrus
Definitely, glad you enjoyed the video!
TBM 940 turboprop also has the "Garmin Autoland" along with the Cirrus Jet
Yes they do
@@marlintheaviator it's an awewome leap forward for single pilot safety in general aviation although for now at least only on very expensive aircraft. It's a pity Epic were so far into their certification process with the G1000 flight deck when "auto land" became available on the G3000, it would definitely be of huge interest to the buyers of the E1000 as primarily owner pilots.
I have seen it suggested that Garmin may make available on other flight decks so may be an option for the G1000 at some point although Epic would need to find a certifiable auto throttle for inclusion on the E1000.
at a ridiculously expensive price.
I'm curious to know why you use cost per hour to compare the two aircraft that travel at such diverse speeds. Wouldn't the cost per nautical mile be a better, more realistic and meaningful way to compare them? Then again, one should also consider the value of the difference to the occupants' in time saved on, say a 3 hour trip and add that into the mix when comparing costs.
Cost per nautical mile is a moving target: Depends on too many variables. Cost per hour is fixed. If you know the cost per hour, and how many hours you will be in the air you will have a number that is reality based. Cost with a 50 knot tail wind will probably be less than cost with 50 knot head wind, making cost per nautical mile moot. It is all about the hours you are in the air.
@@jamesvelvet3612 you can tell he isn't a pilot
The deciding factor for me is the HALO system in the M600. Hypoxia detection and auto descent, plus auto leveling and auto landing in case the pilot is incapacitated is a big thing. I like to fly fast too but I like getting to my destination more. If those feature are part of the Garmin G3000 then hell, I'll retrofit the Epic with that and boom. I got my cake and can nibble on it too.
adding that HALO system into Epic will increase the already expensive airplane.
@@tommytomas-fr3sh This is really tough, I like to HALO and Garmin 3000 of the SLS, but the EPIC has wayyyy bigger available payload at full fuel. It has also has a dunny, which is a game changer for my wife and daughters.
Love your video, please do one on the Honda jet elite
What would you like me to compare it to?
MarlinTheAviator I guess you would compare it to similar light jets. Like a citation. Or, just do it directly with no comparison.
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MarlinTheAviator already did. I especially like your emphasis on operating costs. Could you define what that covers? I presume that covers not just fuel, but replacement items like engine overhaul. I also imagine it does not cover the cost of the airplane as that is spoken of separately.
@@marlintheaviator CessnaM2 & Phenom 100
Epic has the design for speed and climb performance. The Malibu is a nice airplane for the money.
Honestly, it’s a tough call; which one would you pick?
M600 is a more dependable service center everywhere.
@@tommytomas-fr3sh Epic is really working on that, and training as well. I wish Diamond would learn from both of them.
Отлично:)...
Generally I would go Piper, but, put Garmin 3000 in the Epic and the decision could go their way. Epic looks very sleek, pity about untidy dated cockpit, it doesn't sit well with the exterior or expectation.
The E1000 may win the day in terms of performance, but the new Autoland feature of the M600 Halo wins the war. Autoland gives my passengers an expert and ever-present "copilot" they can call on in case I become incapacitated.
Do you fly the piper600? Or were you just hypothetically speaking?
@@shable1436 Hypothetically speaking, but as a business owner in the market for a plane.
It seems a lot of depressurization accidents have been reported lately, but Cirrus VJ has had the autoland function for awhile now, as well as the new AutoRadar (seriously amazing)-not that I want to invest in the type rating into a jet that any turboprop can beat.
congrats but you should compare the Epic with the TBM-940.
I already did! Check it out on my channel!
Hahah he beat u to the punch ahhaha
Question, are you a pilot?
i choose epic, can fly higher and faster, regardless the fuel and price
I Agree
@@marlintheaviator e1000 is also better looking, although im a fan of malibu
They’re not comparable except maybe in acquisition cost which Epic is bargain priced only a bit higher. The M600 has poor range or poor payload. It’s suited for solo usage or 1 passenger or for short range duty. My 340A is far more usable, similar operating costs, much better payload and not substantially slower.
The Epic is roomier, faster TBM...it’s only real competitor unless you needed space of PC12, Denali, C90GTx...all of which are much slower and more costly
@@MichaelM-to4sg you’re full of crap. Nobody takes Max fuel when the cabin is full and you can still go across country with one stop. I’m betting you don’t own a single plane much less the M600. Clown.
Luggage capacity?
If you can afford this plane, you can buy clothes when you get there and throw them away when yer done with them or goodwill.
Hard to know. Depends on requirement. 600 has a lot of safety features. If one was a family man,, which I am, I would lean in with 600.
Epic has better payload, speed, and a larger cabin. - all rather important for family travel when everyone want to bring everything in the world on the plane.
@@Factory400 performance isn't everything, avionics is outdated and everyone knows it
I just did some research on both aircraft of the epic1000 and the m600 on full power and the epic1000 full power is 97 gph and the piper m600 is 37 gallons per hour. You really have to do a study to get it right.
So the price per hour is based on 450 owner operated hours per Year without ever chartering the aircraft to cut back the cost. In addition to some fixed costs and some variable costs.
Your research is very inaccurate. I’ve only flown the experimental LT Epic, which uses same airframe aerodynamics and same PT6-67. Even in hot weather, flying west toward coast from BDN @FL260, fuel flow mid 60’s. I’ve several hours in PC12-NG using same engine and fuel flow was never above 82 at full power in climb.
M600 powered by PT6-42 fuel flow 35gph @ full power? Seriously? You’ve clearly never flown this aircraft nor any PT6 powered aircraft. Piper rates long range flow at 38gph, iirc. That’s not real world, per several M500 & M600 pilots I know. Full power rating is 49gph, which is realistic @ 260ktas. Most pilots plan 42-44gph in cruise depending upon weather and of course flight level.
Can a tall pilot fit into the Piper?
Can a tall pilot fit into the Epic?
Can a tall pilot fit into a 737? Depends on how tall, gomer.
Preference for Piper...
I will just get a G-4
The Epic is barely in the same class as the Piper. Very much so over priced with only a G1000 NXI vs the Piper's G3000. The TBM would blow that disappointment out the water.
I actually compared the Epic E1000 and TBM 940 if you want to check it out : th-cam.com/video/HYyhUog3FKI/w-d-xo.html
AE B your wrong buddy the TBM didn’t blow the epic1000 out of the water and considering it cost 1 -1.3 million dallor more i would reconsider
@@89turbomk3 Is the $3.2 mil price for the E1000 inclusive of the on board radar? To update the avionics, would the cost go up? Does the safe return technology further increase the price? So the TBM price (I agree is over priced) but it includes the on board radar and might not be that much of a overkill when compared to the E1000 after all. Maybe you can shed more light on these issues. Thanks.
Dislike this video for plagiarizing it word for word from the manufacturers websites.
nothing to compare,,, epic has double the HP
M600 has better looks