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I rarely hear anybody say anything positive on the noise the concept 2 makes. For me it's what makes it a perfect machine. Not only does it give the impression you're putting in a lot of effort, but once you're familiar with it, you can keep the same split time with your eyes closed so you can focus on every sensation in your body. Just thinking of the sound makes me want to workout!
I agree, I like how the sounds gets louder when pulling harder. At the end of the workout, at the end of your last sprint you try to make it as loud as possible;
I’ve been using the C2 since 2006. Best rower around. As for price, I bought directly from the manufacturer and saved a bundle. Their web site is great to keep track of you progress, have virtual rowing teams and some great inspirational motivation to keep you rowing.
As a fat guy (for now), I was pleasantly surprised to hear considerations about how belly size can impact the experience. I think it is frequently overlooked by fit people to whom it would never even occur. Nice review. (Already bought a concept 2 E a couple of weeks ago before seeing this review and I am loving the machine and the rowing workout)
Training Tall Would it disturb neighbours in a flat next door or beneath? I would want to get early morning rowing done without noise complaints from neighbours
air rowers are loud. water rower sounds like your by the beach or your actually rowing. magnetic rowing is boring plus forsome reason cheaper magnetic rowing machines tend to get easier half way though your row stoke.
Hi Austin, I'm doing well thank you. I have a request. Please make a short class video, something like Clair's 'Go Row Indoor 20-minute workout #1' British Rowing class -- but without the circuits. Thank you very much. John. See th-cam.com/video/THuWp4-pbYs/w-d-xo.html
C2 is the best! Used one at the local gym and decided to purchase one for my home use. It's perfect for me and the price was affordable. Their staff is more than knowledgeable and super friendly.
As a home user longevity and reliability are important factors. With the C2 i can purchase every single spare part for the rower, along with full schematics of the appliance. I can also log into the C2 forum if i have any technical issues and discuss with other users. I can't do this with the Matrix or any other high end rower.
have had great luck with the water rower.parts are pretty easy to get and really easy to fix. in my experience at least. i have a concept 2 as well but i thought I share my experience
I've rowed here and there over the years in gyms, but recently watched a lot of videos/read up quite a bit in advance of actually purchasing one of my own. Came upon this video (thank you!), which featured the two rowing machines I was looking most closely at and it answered a lot of my questions. Only thing left to do was go in the store and try them both out. Having now done this, the Matrix is the best machine for me (purchased!). It was a lot more comfortable to sit on and I really like the fluid, nearly soundless movement. I did see what you mean about the finishing pull being easier than the initial pull, but there is definitely still resistance at the end. In other words, to me, it doesn't at all feel like the final pull is too weak; I actually think it feels to have a normal/standard feel at that phase of the stroke. Rather, if anything, the initial pull is more difficult than other machines, which makes the end seems easier than it actually is - hope that makes sense. Regardless, these are incremental differences when compared to other machines. Comparatively, what I most disliked about the Concept 2 was the slack in the chain that seemingly results after each stroke and causes a slight delay before you are able to begin the next stroke. To each their own and all, but I didn't really think the comparison was all that close between the two machines when compared side by side.
@@trainingtall no way! When all olimpic team use concept2 all around the world it is nothing to debate about any rowing machine at this point in time, and you know it. They are bullet proof.
@@euplot ... Just because olympic teams use it around the world, does that truly prove the concept2 is the definitive machine for rowing though? Concept2 is a *static rower* but have you ever heard about *dynamic rowing machines* such as the *Oartec Dx* (recently released, roughly twice the price of the concept2) and *RowPerfect/RP3* (been around for a while, but 3 to 4 times the price of the Concept2)? Yes, there is also the dynamic concept rower but apparently it's no where near the experience of the Oartec/RowPerfect. Sliders can also be purchased for the Concept2 to mimic the dynamic experience. There's a reason why Concept has products that tries to mimic the 'dynamic experience.' *Dynamic rowers* are supposedly better at mimicking on the water rowing experience. Dynamics are less stressful on the lower back, heavy focus on proper leg drive, they truly require proper technique to keep the seat in stable position. If your technique is off, you wouldn't be able to do much on a dynamic machine. It other words, *dynamic machines reinforces proper technique.* But because they're more expensive, they're less affordable for large groups. Concept2 has been around for quite a while, they're out there. They're used. They're endorsed. They've got brand recognition. But does that truly mean they're the best? I'm still debating between getting a Concept2 or the Oartec Dx, but because the Concept2 is the less expensive version, I'm more inclined to go with the Concept2, possibly. That doesn't actually make the Concept2 the better machine. The Oartec Dx would probably be the better rower. I might actually go with the Oartec when I decide to get a rower myself but the price of the Concept2 is comparatively more attractive and that could sway my decision. It's still a complete toss up.
@@euplot you should familiarize yourself with RP3 and Technogym skillrow.... We get that the c2 is a good rower, but let's come back down to earth for a little bit.
Matrix looks good and indeed there are many machines out there but the Concept2 has stood the test of time and is still used by most top rowers. I bought my own Concept2 twenty years ago and it is still going strong. A big initial investment but an absolute bargain considering the use it has had. Great review though, always good to see other machines! Thanks for posting!
Good to know from a Matrix owner!! Im leaning towards the Matrix!!! Seems like a solid piece of machinery to me!!! Owing from a concept 2... boring and I'm looking for something new to use!!! Bought the water rower..switching it out this week..kept it for a few weeks... i don't like it!! No resistance at all!!!
For pretty much every piece of fitness equipment there are a few to quite a few contenders (I love Intek weights for example, but others prefer Ivanko or Troy - they are all good) - except in rowing. Concept is the clear choice by a margin. I'm surprised they don't charge more to be honest - because they could and they'd still get bought.
I would love to see a comparison between static and dynamic rowers, as the C2 is what most people have access to, but the RP3 is what a lot of rowing clubs use, and what you prefer to train on
I had no idea that "noise" was not mandatory for a rowing machine. That is definitely cool. Had that been a concern, and had I known of the Matrix when I was researching prior to purchase, still that double weight and double price tag would have been hard to swallow. (Mobility was a plus in my case, and I really would have choked at 2 grand). Now that I have a Concept 2, I'm thinking there may be a not-so-small market for a sorbathane seat cover...
I hear ya - the C2 is absolutely a great buy! And there are lots of different options for seat cushions available - and they aren't that expensive either!
Concept 2 mimics the feeling of rowing on the water as much as possible, the distance between your legs shorter for that reason. I apologize if there are any mistakes, I don't know English so I wrote on google translator for that reason
You can get a designed seat cushion for Concept 2 which I have and use all time, especially good on longer (5k+) rows. The C2 at our gym is not that loud either. Cheers Peter
I use the "Rowing Machine Seat Cushion for Concept 2 Rowing Machine by Hornet Watersports" which I got via Amazon, UK price £19.99. Just done 30min row and it makes a difference! Also find get better "grip" on seat for higher speed interval training. Also great as just lifts on and off so easy to take to and use at gym. Thanks again for your videos, helping me get better times for C2 challenges. Cheers Peter
I’ve worked in Houston for a commercial fitness repair company since 2001. First as a tech, then estimating parts since 2008. You’re best option is Concept II. The parts are readily available, even for older models. The parts are inexpensive. All the other brands y’all have mentioned, most aren’t commercially rated. The Matrix is, but the longevity of their units aren’t. The owner of my company had a C2 in his house until he put a stepmill in there. Matrix consoles are super expensive to replace, after the warranty expires. You might as well buy a new machine. I don’t know how much the units are, but the console on Matrix RXP is $2,065.99 + installation, labor, trip, shipping. Concept 2 consoles are about $500 + service charges.
The Concept 2 has a weight limit of 250lbs while the Matrix has a weight limit of 350lbs. So, for many people that are truly overweight the Concept 2 is it really designed for skinny people and not for anyone that is really overweight? When you discuss the Matrix weighs double what the Concept 2 does on that side of the story. The concept 2 when I see big people using it and going fast with it, you can see it moving and even lifting up. Due to the extra weight of the Matrix rower it pretty much stays down and doesn’t move. A big difference when your rowing hard on the Matrix rower and not having to look for weights to help keep it from moving around during a hard workout is a big plus for the Matrix Rower as well. I just got my Matrix Rower 5 days ago and I absolutely love it. What a well built machine. I had the Oxford 6 and boy was that a bad experience. Big plastic sides that no matter how you take them off pieces of plastic will break. It was not a very good unit due to some poor workmanship, but if they’d address a few concerns like the belt getting turned around and the bottom of the pole that holds the console wasn’t so sharp and close the belt it wouldn’t get damaged, which was that and a part bouncing around got me to open the damn thing up in the 1st place.
Not sure where you got the weight limit from. The C2 advertises with 500 pounds… I cannot comment on which machine is better as I basically only know the concept 2, but I do know the concept as being rock solid and reliable. I think for the money it’s hard to find anything better. Money not being an object, there surely are other awesome rowers as well.. but will they stand the test of time as well as concept2. I’m not sure.
Before finalizing your review please try out a Matrix with a few years of use on it. There are 3 of them at a gym near me, and all three are like rowing on cobblestones. I don't know if the rollers get out of round over time or what, but they were so bad I decided to join a different gym with a Concept 2. I have never seen a Concept 2 with that problem.
Holy cow! I have not heard of this issue, Kurt! Thanks for sharing. There are definitely wear-and-tear issues that can happen similarly to the Concept 2. Appreciate the comment!
Some observations: The extra foot placement width on the Matrix is not going to help you in a boat; it would be more beneficial to work out your flexibility issues. Seats, cushy does not always equal comfortable, while the Concept II can make your butt numb on a long row, I can row comfortably for a considerable amount of time on a properly shaped wooden seat like on my single. Handles, the Concept II handle is too hard, when you start averaging an hour or more per day on the machine it will be uncomfortable, I wrapped mine with tennis racket cushion grip tape, this makes it awesomely comfortable and brings the diameter to about that of a sweep oar. About the sound, there's nothing quite like the whoosh..., whoosh..., whoosh... sound of someone really getting on it, on a Concept II, very motivational, plus I can walk into a gym and just by listening tell if someone knows what they are doing on an erg. But, yeah, I guess it would be nice if they were quieter, then I might watch TV on long rows instead of playing games like 'How consistent can I keep my projected finish meters?"
Hahaha we all love that "game" of how consistent can I keep my projected finish meters. I like the points you've brought up! However, I am not sure if you're aware but Hudson has been designing boat shoes that have a wider position. Tried them while rowing in an 8 and they rock! It might become the new standard!
Great tip on the racket tape, gotta try it out. For media consumption while rowing, bluetooth sport earbuds and a laptop, pad or a phone could change your rowing experience completely, did for me. I watch movies or listen to audio books from Audible, and kilometers just fly by. Works well on calorie burn 10K's but might be too distracting for intense workouts.
Concept feels better. But at my gym the concept foot strap was always coming loose. And the handlebar on concept feels better. And on matrix I was always straightening the rope on handlebar. So I just bought the C2 for home. Either one is great but I’d say C2
Austin, another great video. I have learned a lot from you over the last couple of months on proper technique and how to increase effeciency. Wondering if you have any experience or had a chance to try a Sole Fitness SR500? Not sure if this is a new competitor in this category, but not finding much out there. Sole is no slouch when it comes to building quality durable treadmills (mine has several thousand miles) so I would expect the same of their rower. Thanks and keep up the great work.
I have been using Matrix exclusively for the past year. Great review dude and I agree totally with assessment. Silent - good seat - bad handle design - smooth - cushy seat - good computer.
So the best of both worlds would be to swap parts from each machine and create your own. It would make the Rowing machine lighter keeping the wide stance, and magnetic device, seat of the matrix and the sliding component and handle bar and lighter weight of the Concept 2. I don’t think I have the budget so I’ll stick with the one at my gym. Would love to have either one at home.
Have u had any issues with the Matrix?? Been happy with it?? I've rowed on a concept 2 all my life..but I feel like it puts a lot of pressure on the ankles..jumped on a Matrix and just loved the smoothness!
Hi Austin, Thanks for your videos, I raw much better since I watch them ! Could you do a video about "How to use the stroke profile to improve my rowing technic". It should be good also if you have advices about drive lenght
do u have any information on water rowers & how they track meters? i got a sunny health water erg for during quarantine last year & the difference between that & concept 2 is insane, obviously. but one of my biggest problems with it is that my 2k & 500m times are significantly worse when i use it, even with no time in between erging on a concept at school & erging at home on mine. like, 20 seconds, to even a minute difference sometimes, which is hella discouraging
Concept 2 have addressed the cushy issue regarding the seat. I.e you can have a tractor seat, or they sell a cushion for the standard seat, I know, mine has just arrived today.
Video could've been 10 seconds long. Couldn't find the price on matrix's website (gotta call) so I looked up what a place nearby that sells decent equipment lists it as. $900 for the concept 2..... $1900 for the matrix. Is there even as debate exploring further? Rowers are simple machines... even the concept 2 at $900 is a bit extreme imo.... but compared to other "high end" rowers (in quotes because... it's a rower.... it is literally a seat that slides and a handle attached to a string/ cable/ chain which is attached to a flywheel or whatever medium used to supply resistance. I never understand how companies decide upon price points for equipment. I mean how does as piece of equipment that weighs 57 lbs cost 900 bucks? That's almost $16/lb. To put that in perspective... going on metalminer.com, titanium is $25.50/lb. Yeah. Still, for the money the concept 2 is (irrationally... and pathetically) the best bang for your buck from what I can tell after months of research.
10 seconds long ? are you kidding ? The video covered a hell of a lot of issues that people would want to know if they were deciding between the two , well laid out video covering everything I wanted to know, not sure what you are on about lol
I tried both machines and I must say I really prefer the concept 2. Firstly, the Matrix is really harder on the drive. Even at minimum difficulty, I find it harder that the concept 2 at level 5 (which is the level considered to imitate best the water feeling). Levels on the concept 2 going grom 1 to 10, this means that with the concept 2 you can work harder or easier than the real thing, whereas with the Matrix you can only work harder. For a beginner I think the Matrix is almost unpracticable, in particular for a beginner who wouldn't do sport before using the Matrix. I row for anaerobic usage, so for long durations (20 - 40 minutes). So I think the Matrix is best to keep for those who are really trained and want to work on short durations, and high intensity. Secondly, the feet are more spread out on the Matrix. For me it is to much and I prefer the feel on the concept 2 (I am 1,80 m high). Why ? Because the legs must pass between the arms. So legs more spread out means arms spread out enough to let the legs pass in between. I find this unconfortable, my feet touch a bit my arms when doing the movement while with the concept 2 I had never noticed any problem. Thirdly, the handle on the Matrix starts to annoy your hands after 20 minutes, because the rubber gives more friction than the plastic on the concept 2 handle. I love pull- ups so it is supportable for me but the concept 2 goes very easy with my hands in comparison. Fourth, the display is really better on the concept 2. I love to play the fishing game (and others too), and analysing the curve helped me (and keeps helping me a lot) with my technique, which is important if you don't want to hurt yourself. Also on the concept you can define precisely your intervals, whereas with the Matrix you must choose 1, 2, 5 .... minutes. For example, you can't choose an interval of 3 minutes ! I find this crazy. About noise, it is true that the Matrix is very silent compared to the Concept 2. Concept 2 noise is not very loud though, I never had the idea to complain about it. I certainly wouldn't change only for that reason because when I use the Matrix I immediatly miss the confort of the concept 2. So for me, it is a no brainer, concept 2 wins totally. Note : the concept 2 has another advantage that you can use even if you don't buy it : the videos and advices on the website are top notch, (I couldn't find anything on the Matrix website).
My experience with each of them....The Concept 2 such comfortable and challenging rower.....wonderful feelings into 1 hour...... The Matrix the handles are too thick and no ergonomic to me and make deep hurt and sleep my arms in just 5 minutes of training....useless(I tried it during 3 different days and it happpen the same again)
Really question is: can i still row? I used to, but had to stop due to herniated discs in the lumbar spine; now those are "healed", meaning there are no discs left there and the vertebrae have sort of fused together. Thankfully no pain (though it's by no means the ideal situation for my spine to be in). I'd like to get back to rowing because it was the best total body workout i had ever done and need to get back in shape. Should i buy a conventional rowing machine or something from RP3 maybe? Or even the Concept2 on slides, as i've heard that not only it delivers the closest feeling to rowing on the water but it's supposedly gentler, softer on the back. Any suggestions?
Thanks Austin! Whenever I see videos of rowers that are about rowing (not product placement), almost all of them are on Concept 2. I guess there is a reason for that. Speaking of Concept 2, a comparison that I would really like to see is between Concept 2 standard vs. dynamic. The latter is supposed to more closely mimic rowing on water, and a few years ago Eric Murray set a record for one-hour rowing on the dynamic (the record has been beaten by now, but that's beside the point). So apparently one can get a good workout on the dynamic Concept 2. But despite this rational conclusion, all the videos of rowing on the dynamic look to me like "cheating", which is probably because the seat is barely moving. Austin, if you have some experience of rowing on the dynamic Concept 2, can you share how it feels compared to the standard erg?
SK another way you can simulate dynamic rowing is with slides that you can set the (C2) rowing machine on. And you can get just as good of a workout on either a dynamic or a static machine except the splits may be affected so there are separate categories for dynamic and static records
Thanks Miko! The slides are out of the question for me for reasons of limited space. On the other hand, the absolute values of splits per se are not important to me either (not competitive enough, I guess), but being able to get a solid one to two hours of rowing slog is what I like most. So I really appreciate your advice that the dynamic can produce as good workouts as the standard. That's a serious argument in favor of getting the dynamic model as my next rower. Thanks again!
Hey SK! Thanks for dropping a comment and creating good discussion! Dynamic absolutely mimics rowing on the water closer than a static machine does. The dynamic creates the feel of the "boat moving beneath you" as you row. There is no question about it: any effort done on a static Concept2 can be beaten on a Dynamic machine. Because the machine moves beneath the seat, it is actually much easier to increase your stroke rate without using as much energy as you would use on a static machine.
the BEST equipment are ones that are easy to fix at home and their websites sells every single replaceable part , i seen so many £2000+ machines out there that have zero support zero cheap replacement parts ( charges a premium if they do ) concept 2 is the best for competition stats maintenance and user friendly
I've used many. I like the Octane Ro the best. Best blend of wind resistance and mag resistance, that is adjustable. It's 129 lbs that moves and stores easily.. and can handle 350 lb users.... so it is ROCK SOLID. The handle design is ingenious. The display design is bright, well defined and contains the information you are actually interested in. I HATE machines that are somehow tied to subscriptions. The Octane Ro has no such subscription model. If you can afford $1700, Octane Ro is what I would suggest.
I'm trying to figure out what rowing machine to by, what I'm looking at with most consideration is what give you the best workout. I've only ever been on the concept 2 but I would love to consider a water rower or this magnetic one. The handle thing isn't an issue if you ask me, looks easily replaceable. I've got no problem dropping 2k on a machine i just have so much issue figuring out what to get. I've actually looked with great interest at the Dynamic Concept rower. Anyways thanks for the info.
Bought a water rower...a month ago..returning it for the matrix. Rowed on concept 2 all my life...its ok.. but puts alot of strain on the ankles...boring mCgine!! Matrix seems smoother and is more comfortable...as well as challenging!! Beautiful machine while concept is dull and boring...seat uncomfortable .
@@veronicab.4200 I've actually looked at the Matrix a few times, I've heard a few times that they get easier over time. The big thing that has made me resist getting a water rower so far is all the tracks the seats sit on. I like to be particularly agressive and the seat need to be on a nice track for my preference. I'm aware that that each machine is adjustable in difficulty I just don't know enough, I understand it pretty much all about preference. Thanks for the input, I've been leaning matrix more and more.
@@spatha2456 thank u for sharing. I have a warer rower top if the line. Nothing wrong with the seat!! I just need more resistance..unfortunately he is sold out and I am stuck with the water rower for another week!!! Seems like covid 19 has everyone investing in fitness!! GO Matrix!! ;)
I started shopping for a rower just before COVID shut it all down and now there's almost zero chance of getting a Concept 2 before July. I don't want to wait that long. What's your 2nd favorite rower?
Look at the Spirit 800 model. Concept 2 patent is out and everybody can make one. Spirit is in stock and I ship them daily. More expensive but quiet and better warranty.
@Training Tall ... Will you do a comparison between *Dynamic* (Oartec Dx, RowPerfect/RP3) versus *Static* (Concept2) rowers? And no, Concept2's verison of the dynamic is supposedly not even remotely the same as the Oartec or the RowPerfect. Dynamic rowers are supposed to be easier on the lower back, emphasis on leg drive and reinforces proper technique with every single stroke.
About to hop into rowing for exercise/fitness...I don't see that you've ever reviewed the Inspire CR2 cross rower? What are your thoughts on this machine vs. the Matrix or Concept2?
I’m trying to pay off debts, and can only afford to spend $500 for the Schwinn Crewmaster (or something similar). Do you think the Crewmaster is good enough to get started on while I work on saving up for a Concept2?
In my opinion, I'd seriously consider being more patient and just save up for the C2. If you drop 500, you think you'll be able to turn around and sell the schwinn for even $350 on craigslist? 500 is about 1/2 of what you need. Just keep saving and get the one you truly want. That's just my opinion. I love my concept2, and know that with minimal maintenance, it'll be the only rower I'll buy for 20+ years!
Huge factor: the flesh. The people, customer service, owners,....the corporate culture. Matrix?: Taiwanese mega corp. Call for customer service > will get multi level auto select, possibly, with patience getting human being who has little knowledge of (for example) computer interactive procedure that was tested out on consumers/bleeding edge. Concept2: Call, or walk in the front door, you can talk to Customer Service people who have been there 9 years, 12 years. Ask to speak to one of the Dreissigacker, brothers (founders, owners, since 1976), and you can! While the other brother is not far up the road, continuing to operate a nonprofit that has supported and build many stellar coaches and athletes in rowing, nordic skiing, running and biking.
Hi Austin! I've found a good quality/price compromise in the V-Fit Tornado Air Rower, which basically we can define as a "mini Concept 2" for home use. It is a very popular rowing machine in the UK and an Amazon number one choice, and all in all it's a good bang for the buck. It features an interesting progressive air resistance, which is not bad at all for long distances. It shares quite a bit of similarities with the Concept 2, including the noisiness :D The two models you are presenting are definitely of a higher level, much more suitable for Gyms or Rowing Clubs than for at home workouts... By the way, at 1:10 I saw Vera De Milo suddenly appear! :D :D Ah ah ah Keep it up man!
But what about the monitor/console? Matrix does not seem to have same ability to set up workouts or capture details about interval details, memory storage of workouts?
I have tried out some rowing machines with magnetic -brakes, but bye now all of them sufferd from the fact, that in air the resistance rises with the square of the speed, whie magnetic braking is linear to speed. (What causes a felt lose in resistance in the second part of the stroke) May this probem can get overcome bye electronically increasing teh resistance during the stroke(increase magnetic field, during every stroke) but I'm not sure if any producer of rowingmachines in the hole world has already implemneted such a feature?!?
Does the Matrix maintain online performance data? I am motivated by peer group competition, so I am afraid that the Concept 2's data (and erg competitions) are too valuable to give up. Otherwise, the Matrix might be better for me.
Excellent video, I rowed in college (5 years ago) and now want to get back into it... do you think the Concept 2 Dynamic would be louder than the static counterpart? I live in an apartment building, and I am mainly concerned about it being heard by neighbours below - and I'm considering the dynamic for Form and lower back reasons, just wondering about noise
The noise would be just as bad on a dynamic, I'm afraid! I know the apartment struggle though... you may want to consider something like the Matrix as an option!
It actually tends to wear out the chain more! Setting it up to the machine keeps the chain healthier for longer - plus I am 6'8" and have the reach to put it all the way back!
Just as in biking, "soft, cushy seats" cause bloodflow problems, when used over the long term. This is why road bike seats are generally much firmer than is comfortable for someone unaccustomed to them. The Concept 2 seat is designed properly. It is a bit of a disservice to customers to lead them to believe a softer seat is necessarily a "preferred" thing. Concept 2's have universally high ratings for a reason. One kinda needs to be experienced with specific equipment types in order to give good reviews on them. :-D
@@ShortBusRuss I guess I'll hold off for a bit on that extra cushioning I'd considered adding. I'll wait and see how my butt adjusts over the next few months. A *very* helpful comment, thanks!
The indoor rowing community use Concept 2’s. If you’re going to want to compete, then it’s going to have to be on a C2 and finally, indoor rowing is tough, very tough, so a sore arse (which incidentally the C2 has never given me) will be the least of your worries.
Funny how all machines except R3 and Concept2 have much lower split times. I row a 1:54 2000 (I’m 60) and on the water rower I was at 1:41 Guess which machine my coach looks at?
Do you like the feel of the Matrix? I own a concept 2 and i love it, but considering you can get a concept for under $1000 and the Matrix seem to start at $1900 i would question if its worth the added cost, considering you can buy aftermarket seats for the concept and concept also has rowing software support.
The feel of the matrix is definitely a "different" feeling than the concept 2. Something about the magnetic resistance makes the catch (start) of the stroke feel heavier. I would say the big draw to the matrix is the foot placement and the silence of the machine. Other than that, C2 really does beat out Matrix, especially considering what you've said. If you've got a C2 and like it, keep it!
For some people who live in apartments or tight spaces and want a virtually silent experience and solid machine it's a no brainer. If your option was no rowing for 1 year (time of your lease) or spend $1900 on a solid machine that is virtually silent, will last years, and you can row whenever the heck you want.. What would you choose?
Never seen a matrix rower in a British rowing club. On the other hand the concept is everywhere, every club has a long bank of machines as they are the preferred option for water towers.
Why would you ever use anything other than a concept 2? It’s what they use at international level competition and it’s also what real rowers use. The noise is most similar to real rowing along with the foot plates and the seat.
also cheaper and easier to fix no doubt ,their websites replacement parts nearly worldwide shipping and the parts cost as much as the production only ,i bet this matrix company would charge u an arm and a leg for a bolt to be shipped to you
You don’t need to spend a lot of money to get a quality gym like experience. It may not have the fancy digital screens but just put on a tv and go for a row.
Magnetic resistance on a good machine is far less sympathetic of poor technique. Your action has got to be really smooth. You cannot grab at it nor heave the stroke (you shouldn’t on any rower). Concept 2 is a bit more forgiving and might suit the novice or infrequent user. Of course, there is no substitute for decent form.
I agree that there is no substitute for decent form. However, the magnetic resistance seems to create a higher "load" at the catch (start) of the stroke. I think for beginners, this may actually be more helpful than the air resistance on the C2 because of the heavy stroke eliciting a more "connected" feeling. Great topic and comment, Anthony!
Training Tall that’s a good point. The catch is definitely more ‘weighty’ on magnetic, so I can see why that connection might benefit a novice. There is a substantial feel to that first part of the stroke. Good video, by the way.
Has anyone with a Matrix Rower that goes through the user option and goes though age, weight and so on start a challenge work out and the calories don’t seem to work? Only bug I have found so far. Has anyone else had this silly issue?
Matrix wins hands down but I'll replace the handle with a Concept2 handle. I'm a bit shocked Matrix use such a stupid string attached handle. Can you also tell us all about the BodyCraft VR500 and the SpiritFitness CRW 800. I hear both of those have adjustable resistance we can change directly from the handle. Now isn't that AWESOME! ✔🔥
@@trainingtall ok, definitly, sounds great!, please do and please write back with your opinion and / or do a video on them. Actually I'm searching for the affordable, absolutely silent rowing machine that makes no wind ,has no moving external parts other than the handle and pull strap, that also has fully adjustable large range of resistance levels with the bluetooth resistance settings in the handle so we can change up the resistance directly from handle while rowing, that is as portable as possible yet solid, stable and well built that a professional serious athlete would want as well as the beginner The BodyCraft VR500 has 32 levels of resistance while the Spirit CRW 800 only has 16, which still is nice. The only thing is, I'm pretty sure both these still have a fan/flywheel gizmo, which I believe will make more noise (and of course make some wind which in turn makes dust)than a good quality water rower. I'm going to a couple nearby stores that have all of these to try them out this week hopefully. I'm also not keen on the wooden Water Rower original brand mostly due to my concerns if we keep it in damp locations. If kept in a dry living room the wooden ones are beautiful. I'd like to have a look at the XTerra- erg650w-water-rower and try it. It looks good and is on Amazon for 925$ including shipping. I think the all metal version of the original Water Rower machine sells for about 1,500 $s. Keep up the great work! ENJOY ✔🌟
@@ToddStClair-vk4ov Concept D is $900. Matrix is $1895. I'm not a math scientist but pretty sure 19 is MORE than two times as much as 9. If you can sell me a new Matrix rower for $900...I'll give you my email and you can send me an invoice.
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I see you have (5) 'Row your fat off' books. Which one do you most recommend for a 6'-3" obese desk jockey who is new to rowing?
I rarely hear anybody say anything positive on the noise the concept 2 makes. For me it's what makes it a perfect machine. Not only does it give the impression you're putting in a lot of effort, but once you're familiar with it, you can keep the same split time with your eyes closed so you can focus on every sensation in your body. Just thinking of the sound makes me want to workout!
Such a true statement! I would have to agree!
I agree, I like how the sounds gets louder when pulling harder. At the end of the workout, at the end of your last sprint you try to make it as loud as possible;
Im with this. I love the noise. It helps me get feedback about my output.
true story.. Well said!
I often row with my eyes closed on it..with an occasional peek on the frequency.
I totally agree! I actually find the sound melodic!!! And how strange, I also feel like rowing when I think of the sound!
I’ve been using the C2 since 2006. Best rower around. As for price, I bought directly from the manufacturer and saved a bundle. Their web site is great to keep track of you progress, have virtual rowing teams and some great inspirational motivation to keep you rowing.
As a fat guy (for now), I was pleasantly surprised to hear considerations about how belly size can impact the experience. I think it is frequently overlooked by fit people to whom it would never even occur. Nice review. (Already bought a concept 2 E a couple of weeks ago before seeing this review and I am loving the machine and the rowing workout)
Happy to provide! Thanks for watching! Glad you're liking the machine!
Concept 2 is built like a tank.
I’ve owned one for 22 years and it still works like new.
Sounds like a tank too when you use it.
It's an amazing machine!
and if anything breaks the parts are cheap and easy to assemble/fix
concept 2 is built with quality
@@BigDaddyMacc it reminds me of Soloflex.
Concept 2 is not loud...the swoosh is music to the ears
I think a lot of people would both agree and disagree with you!
Training Tall Would it disturb neighbours in a flat next door or beneath? I would want to get early morning rowing done without noise complaints from neighbours
@@TeamBiird no. Unless you open the windows and the neighbor home is right there
Concept 2 is loud as f@%# and it's the reason I will not purchase one.
air rowers are loud. water rower sounds like your by the beach or your actually rowing. magnetic rowing is boring plus forsome reason cheaper magnetic rowing machines tend to get easier half way though your row stoke.
Fascinating review; thank you. The Concept 2 is the most elegant piece of machinery I've ever used -- and it's beautiful.
Glad you liked the video, John! Hope you're doing well!
Hi Austin, I'm doing well thank you. I have a request. Please make a short class video, something like Clair's 'Go Row Indoor 20-minute workout #1' British Rowing class -- but without the circuits. Thank you very much. John. See th-cam.com/video/THuWp4-pbYs/w-d-xo.html
I bought a Concept 2 last week. Love it. I set it up in 15 minutes out of the box!
NICE Mick! That's great! Glad you like it!
C2 is the best! Used one at the local gym and decided to purchase one for my home use. It's perfect for me and the price was affordable. Their staff is more than knowledgeable and super friendly.
I mean Concept 2 has been doing it since the early 70's. I like the C2-PM5 when rowing.
Yup! A great machine!
As a home user longevity and reliability are important factors. With the C2 i can purchase every single spare part for the rower, along with full schematics of the appliance. I can also log into the C2 forum if i have any technical issues and discuss with other users. I can't do this with the Matrix or any other high end rower.
Really good insight here, Martin! You're totally right! And that is extremely important for longevity in your investment into the machine!
I thought the Concept 2 never breaks down. Why would you need spare parts??
have had great luck with the water rower.parts are pretty easy to get and really easy to fix. in my experience at least. i have a concept 2 as well but i thought I share my experience
@@fortyoneshades 🤣🤣
I've rowed here and there over the years in gyms, but recently watched a lot of videos/read up quite a bit in advance of actually purchasing one of my own. Came upon this video (thank you!), which featured the two rowing machines I was looking most closely at and it answered a lot of my questions. Only thing left to do was go in the store and try them both out. Having now done this, the Matrix is the best machine for me (purchased!). It was a lot more comfortable to sit on and I really like the fluid, nearly soundless movement. I did see what you mean about the finishing pull being easier than the initial pull, but there is definitely still resistance at the end. In other words, to me, it doesn't at all feel like the final pull is too weak; I actually think it feels to have a normal/standard feel at that phase of the stroke. Rather, if anything, the initial pull is more difficult than other machines, which makes the end seems easier than it actually is - hope that makes sense. Regardless, these are incremental differences when compared to other machines. Comparatively, what I most disliked about the Concept 2 was the slack in the chain that seemingly results after each stroke and causes a slight delay before you are able to begin the next stroke. To each their own and all, but I didn't really think the comparison was all that close between the two machines when compared side by side.
Hey Bradley! Really appreciate you chiming in here. Thanks for the details and sharing your experience! I think it will help a lot of people out.
Only rower I know is the concept 2, it’s what my gyms own. Plus it’s what you and Dark Horse demo on.
Concept 2 definitely has the edge above most competitors. But it is clear that other brands are up to challenge them!
@@trainingtall no way! When all olimpic team use concept2 all around the world it is nothing to debate about any rowing machine at this point in time, and you know it. They are bullet proof.
@@euplot ... Just because olympic teams use it around the world, does that truly prove the concept2 is the definitive machine for rowing though? Concept2 is a *static rower* but have you ever heard about *dynamic rowing machines* such as the *Oartec Dx* (recently released, roughly twice the price of the concept2) and *RowPerfect/RP3* (been around for a while, but 3 to 4 times the price of the Concept2)? Yes, there is also the dynamic concept rower but apparently it's no where near the experience of the Oartec/RowPerfect. Sliders can also be purchased for the Concept2 to mimic the dynamic experience. There's a reason why Concept has products that tries to mimic the 'dynamic experience.'
*Dynamic rowers* are supposedly better at mimicking on the water rowing experience. Dynamics are less stressful on the lower back, heavy focus on proper leg drive, they truly require proper technique to keep the seat in stable position. If your technique is off, you wouldn't be able to do much on a dynamic machine. It other words, *dynamic machines reinforces proper technique.* But because they're more expensive, they're less affordable for large groups. Concept2 has been around for quite a while, they're out there. They're used. They're endorsed. They've got brand recognition. But does that truly mean they're the best?
I'm still debating between getting a Concept2 or the Oartec Dx, but because the Concept2 is the less expensive version, I'm more inclined to go with the Concept2, possibly. That doesn't actually make the Concept2 the better machine. The Oartec Dx would probably be the better rower. I might actually go with the Oartec when I decide to get a rower myself but the price of the Concept2 is comparatively more attractive and that could sway my decision. It's still a complete toss up.
@@euplot you should familiarize yourself with RP3 and Technogym skillrow.... We get that the c2 is a good rower, but let's come back down to earth for a little bit.
Matrix looks good and indeed there are many machines out there but the Concept2 has stood the test of time and is still used by most top rowers.
I bought my own Concept2 twenty years ago and it is still going strong. A big initial investment but an absolute bargain considering the use it has had.
Great review though, always good to see other machines! Thanks for posting!
Thanks for the kind words! Totally agree with what you said!
I love my MATRIX Rower! Quiet and stable with a very realistic rowing experience out of the water!
Awesome Peter! It is a great machine!
Good to know from a Matrix owner!! Im leaning towards the Matrix!!! Seems like a solid piece of machinery to me!!! Owing from a concept 2... boring and I'm looking for something new to use!!! Bought the water rower..switching it out this week..kept it for a few weeks... i don't like it!! No resistance at all!!!
For pretty much every piece of fitness equipment there are a few to quite a few contenders (I love Intek weights for example, but others prefer Ivanko or Troy - they are all good) - except in rowing. Concept is the clear choice by a margin. I'm surprised they don't charge more to be honest - because they could and they'd still get bought.
Magnetic ones are most of the time cheaper. And it doesnt give the same feeling.
Feet closer together is more like real rowing. A good thing imo.
I found the Matrix to be harder per meter than the Concept 2. Of course I spend my whole life on a Concept!
Hey John - TOTALLY agree with you here!
Just bought my concept 2 & I love it.
Where did you order from? says it’s on hold on their website
@@roberthealy7304 I ordered mine from Rogue Fitness a month ago.
I would love to see a comparison between static and dynamic rowers, as the C2 is what most people have access to, but the RP3 is what a lot of rowing clubs use, and what you prefer to train on
Gonna see what I can do to get my hands on a dynamic rower soon!
Zac Philippa concept 2 makes a dynamic erg so it would be great to see a comparison between C2’s static and its dynamic model.
I had no idea that "noise" was not mandatory for a rowing machine. That is definitely cool. Had that been a concern, and had I known of the Matrix when I was researching prior to purchase, still that double weight and double price tag would have been hard to swallow. (Mobility was a plus in my case, and I really would have choked at 2 grand). Now that I have a Concept 2, I'm thinking there may be a not-so-small market for a sorbathane seat cover...
I hear ya - the C2 is absolutely a great buy! And there are lots of different options for seat cushions available - and they aren't that expensive either!
Concept 2 mimics the feeling of rowing on the water as much as possible, the distance between your legs shorter for that reason. I apologize if there are any mistakes, I don't know English so I wrote on google translator for that reason
You can get a designed seat cushion for Concept 2 which I have and use all time, especially good on longer (5k+) rows. The C2 at our gym is not that loud either. Cheers Peter
Oh interesting! I'd love to check out that seat cushion!
I use the "Rowing Machine Seat Cushion for Concept 2 Rowing Machine by Hornet Watersports" which I got via Amazon, UK price £19.99. Just done 30min row and it makes a difference! Also find get better "grip" on seat for higher speed interval training. Also great as just lifts on and off so easy to take to and use at gym. Thanks again for your videos, helping me get better times for C2 challenges. Cheers Peter
I have the C2, great rower and the customer service is outstanding!!
C2 does have some of the best customer service out there!
I’ve worked in Houston for a commercial fitness repair company since 2001. First as a tech, then estimating parts since 2008. You’re best option is Concept II. The parts are readily available, even for older models. The parts are inexpensive. All the other brands y’all have mentioned, most aren’t commercially rated. The Matrix is, but the longevity of their units aren’t. The owner of my company had a C2 in his house until he put a stepmill in there. Matrix consoles are super expensive to replace, after the warranty expires. You might as well buy a new machine. I don’t know how much the units are, but the console on Matrix RXP is $2,065.99 + installation, labor, trip, shipping. Concept 2 consoles are about $500 + service charges.
The Concept 2 has a weight limit of 250lbs while the Matrix has a weight limit of 350lbs. So, for many people that are truly overweight the Concept 2 is it really designed for skinny people and not for anyone that is really overweight?
When you discuss the Matrix weighs double what the Concept 2 does on that side of the story. The concept 2 when I see big people using it and going fast with it, you can see it moving and even lifting up. Due to the extra weight of the Matrix rower it pretty much stays down and doesn’t move. A big difference when your rowing hard on the Matrix rower and not having to look for weights to help keep it from moving around during a hard workout is a big plus for the Matrix Rower as well.
I just got my Matrix Rower 5 days ago and I absolutely love it. What a well built machine. I had the Oxford 6 and boy was that a bad experience. Big plastic sides that no matter how you take them off pieces of plastic will break. It was not a very good unit due to some poor workmanship, but if they’d address a few concerns like the belt getting turned around and the bottom of the pole that holds the console wasn’t so sharp and close the belt it wouldn’t get damaged, which was that and a part bouncing around got me to open the damn thing up in the 1st place.
Not sure where you got the weight limit from. The C2 advertises with 500 pounds…
I cannot comment on which machine is better as I basically only know the concept 2, but I do know the concept as being rock solid and reliable.
I think for the money it’s hard to find anything better. Money not being an object, there surely are other awesome rowers as well.. but will they stand the test of time as well as concept2. I’m not sure.
Before finalizing your review please try out a Matrix with a few years of use on it. There are 3 of them at a gym near me, and all three are like rowing on cobblestones. I don't know if the rollers get out of round over time or what, but they were so bad I decided to join a different gym with a Concept 2. I have never seen a Concept 2 with that problem.
Holy cow! I have not heard of this issue, Kurt! Thanks for sharing. There are definitely wear-and-tear issues that can happen similarly to the Concept 2. Appreciate the comment!
The gym needs to take sandpaper to the rollers to remove the dust and grime that builds up over time.
Some observations:
The extra foot placement width on the Matrix is not going to help you in a boat; it would be more beneficial to work out your flexibility issues.
Seats, cushy does not always equal comfortable, while the Concept II can make your butt numb on a long row, I can row comfortably for a considerable amount of time on a properly shaped wooden seat like on my single.
Handles, the Concept II handle is too hard, when you start averaging an hour or more per day on the machine it will be uncomfortable, I wrapped mine with tennis racket cushion grip tape, this makes it awesomely comfortable and brings the diameter to about that of a sweep oar.
About the sound, there's nothing quite like the whoosh..., whoosh..., whoosh... sound of someone really getting on it, on a Concept II, very motivational, plus I can walk into a gym and just by listening tell if someone knows what they are doing on an erg. But, yeah, I guess it would be nice if they were quieter, then I might watch TV on long rows instead of playing games like 'How consistent can I keep my projected finish meters?"
Hahaha we all love that "game" of how consistent can I keep my projected finish meters. I like the points you've brought up! However, I am not sure if you're aware but Hudson has been designing boat shoes that have a wider position. Tried them while rowing in an 8 and they rock! It might become the new standard!
Great tip on the racket tape, gotta try it out. For media consumption while rowing, bluetooth sport earbuds and a laptop, pad or a phone could change your rowing experience completely, did for me. I watch movies or listen to audio books from Audible, and kilometers just fly by. Works well on calorie burn 10K's but might be too distracting for intense workouts.
Pretty sure the majority of people on concept 2s are not rowing to get on a boat lol.. They simply want a workout.
You're awesome. Keeping me in shape through Covid-19!!!
Doing my best!! Keep up the great work, Karen!
Concept feels better. But at my gym the concept foot strap was always coming loose. And the handlebar on concept feels better. And on matrix I was always straightening the rope on handlebar. So I just bought the C2 for home. Either one is great but I’d say C2
Austin, another great video. I have learned a lot from you over the last couple of months on proper technique and how to increase effeciency. Wondering if you have any experience or had a chance to try a Sole Fitness SR500? Not sure if this is a new competitor in this category, but not finding much out there. Sole is no slouch when it comes to building quality durable treadmills (mine has several thousand miles) so I would expect the same of their rower. Thanks and keep up the great work.
I haven't tried it out, but would like to! Sorry I can't be more of a help.. thank you for watching my videos and for your kind words, Jeff!
I have been using Matrix exclusively for the past year. Great review dude and I agree totally with assessment. Silent - good seat - bad handle design - smooth - cushy seat - good computer.
Overall, a solid machine! Thanks for sharing, Brian! Keep up the great work, man!
So the best of both worlds would be to swap parts from each machine and create your own. It would make the Rowing machine lighter keeping the wide stance, and magnetic device, seat of the matrix and the sliding component and handle bar and lighter weight of the Concept 2. I don’t think I have the budget so I’ll stick with the one at my gym. Would love to have either one at home.
Have u had any issues with the Matrix?? Been happy with it?? I've rowed on a concept 2 all my life..but I feel like it puts a lot of pressure on the ankles..jumped on a Matrix and just loved the smoothness!
@@veronicab.4200 hey Veronica, if money wasnt an option which would you choose between the two? I'm torn between both of them!
No contest: CONCEPT2
2020 resolution:get myself into a row machine and this video really helped. 👍
I'm glad!
Hi Austin, Thanks for your videos, I raw much better since I watch them ! Could you do a video about "How to use the stroke profile to improve my rowing technic". It should be good also if you have advices about drive lenght
I am glad you've enjoyed the videos! Great video suggestions, too! Thank you!
The C2 app has drive related readings and I have wondered about how to use that info to improve performance. Peter.
They should check the bicycle handlebars and saddles from the ergonomic aspect. They also can use a padded bicycle short for the hard padded seats.
Concept2 you can buy an extended monorail if you're super tall! Not sure about the matrix. You can also buy a gel seat cushion for $20.
do u have any information on water rowers & how they track meters? i got a sunny health water erg for during quarantine last year & the difference between that & concept 2 is insane, obviously. but one of my biggest problems with it is that my 2k & 500m times are significantly worse when i use it, even with no time in between erging on a concept at school & erging at home on mine. like, 20 seconds, to even a minute difference sometimes, which is hella discouraging
I use the concept 2 at my gym the seat on the Matrix is the first thing I noticed omg looks like heaven
Haha the seat really does feel SO much better :)
Which machine do you prefer?
The RP3 !
C2
Concept 2 have addressed the cushy issue regarding the seat. I.e you can have a tractor seat, or they sell a cushion for the standard seat, I know, mine has just arrived today.
Video could've been 10 seconds long. Couldn't find the price on matrix's website (gotta call) so I looked up what a place nearby that sells decent equipment lists it as. $900 for the concept 2..... $1900 for the matrix. Is there even as debate exploring further? Rowers are simple machines... even the concept 2 at $900 is a bit extreme imo.... but compared to other "high end" rowers (in quotes because... it's a rower.... it is literally a seat that slides and a handle attached to a string/ cable/ chain which is attached to a flywheel or whatever medium used to supply resistance. I never understand how companies decide upon price points for equipment. I mean how does as piece of equipment that weighs 57 lbs cost 900 bucks? That's almost $16/lb. To put that in perspective... going on metalminer.com, titanium is $25.50/lb. Yeah.
Still, for the money the concept 2 is (irrationally... and pathetically) the best bang for your buck from what I can tell after months of research.
Thanks that just clarified everything for me.
10 seconds long ? are you kidding ? The video covered a hell of a lot of issues that people would want to know if they were deciding between the two , well laid out video covering everything I wanted to know, not sure what you are on about lol
I tried both machines and I must say I really prefer the concept 2.
Firstly, the Matrix is really harder on the drive. Even at minimum difficulty, I find it harder that the concept 2 at level 5 (which is the level considered to imitate best the water feeling). Levels on the concept 2 going grom 1 to 10, this means that with the concept 2 you can work harder or easier than the real thing, whereas with the Matrix you can only work harder. For a beginner I think the Matrix is almost unpracticable, in particular for a beginner who wouldn't do sport before using the Matrix. I row for anaerobic usage, so for long durations (20 - 40 minutes). So I think the Matrix is best to keep for those who are really trained and want to work on short durations, and high intensity.
Secondly, the feet are more spread out on the Matrix. For me it is to much and I prefer the feel on the concept 2 (I am 1,80 m high). Why ? Because the legs must pass between the arms. So legs more spread out means arms spread out enough to let the legs pass in between. I find this unconfortable, my feet touch a bit my arms when doing the movement while with the concept 2 I had never noticed any problem.
Thirdly, the handle on the Matrix starts to annoy your hands after 20 minutes, because the rubber gives more friction than the plastic on the concept 2 handle. I love pull- ups so it is supportable for me but the concept 2 goes very easy with my hands in comparison.
Fourth, the display is really better on the concept 2. I love to play the fishing game (and others too), and analysing the curve helped me (and keeps helping me a lot) with my technique, which is important if you don't want to hurt yourself. Also on the concept you can define precisely your intervals, whereas with the Matrix you must choose 1, 2, 5 .... minutes. For example, you can't choose an interval of 3 minutes ! I find this crazy.
About noise, it is true that the Matrix is very silent compared to the Concept 2. Concept 2 noise is not very loud though, I never had the idea to complain about it. I certainly wouldn't change only for that reason because when I use the Matrix I immediatly miss the confort of the concept 2.
So for me, it is a no brainer, concept 2 wins totally.
Note : the concept 2 has another advantage that you can use even if you don't buy it : the videos and advices on the website are top notch, (I couldn't find anything on the Matrix website).
Sold! Matrix, it is. I could put a concept 2 handle on it.
That's a good point!!
nonono
bad decision
i’ve rowed my whole life, the matrix ergo meter is nothing compared to concept 2 model d or e. or the rp3 dynamic. although it does look cooler.
My experience with each of them....The Concept 2 such comfortable and challenging rower.....wonderful feelings into 1 hour...... The Matrix the handles are too
thick and no ergonomic to me and make deep hurt and sleep my arms in just 5 minutes of training....useless(I tried it during 3 different days and it happpen the same again)
Really question is: can i still row? I used to, but had to stop due to herniated discs in the lumbar spine; now those are "healed", meaning there are no discs left there and the vertebrae have sort of fused together. Thankfully no pain (though it's by no means the ideal situation for my spine to be in).
I'd like to get back to rowing because it was the best total body workout i had ever done and need to get back in shape.
Should i buy a conventional rowing machine or something from RP3 maybe? Or even the Concept2 on slides, as i've heard that not only it delivers the closest feeling to rowing on the water but it's supposedly gentler, softer on the back.
Any suggestions?
Thanks Austin! Whenever I see videos of rowers that are about rowing (not product placement), almost all of them are on Concept 2. I guess there is a reason for that. Speaking of Concept 2, a comparison that I would really like to see is between Concept 2 standard vs. dynamic. The latter is supposed to more closely mimic rowing on water, and a few years ago Eric Murray set a record for one-hour rowing on the dynamic (the record has been beaten by now, but that's beside the point). So apparently one can get a good workout on the dynamic Concept 2. But despite this rational conclusion, all the videos of rowing on the dynamic look to me like "cheating", which is probably because the seat is barely moving. Austin, if you have some experience of rowing on the dynamic Concept 2, can you share how it feels compared to the standard erg?
SK another way you can simulate dynamic rowing is with slides that you can set the (C2) rowing machine on. And you can get just as good of a workout on either a dynamic or a static machine except the splits may be affected so there are separate categories for dynamic and static records
Thanks Miko! The slides are out of the question for me for reasons of limited space. On the other hand, the absolute values of splits per se are not important to me either (not competitive enough, I guess), but being able to get a solid one to two hours of rowing slog is what I like most. So I really appreciate your advice that the dynamic can produce as good workouts as the standard. That's a serious argument in favor of getting the dynamic model as my next rower. Thanks again!
Hey SK! Thanks for dropping a comment and creating good discussion! Dynamic absolutely mimics rowing on the water closer than a static machine does. The dynamic creates the feel of the "boat moving beneath you" as you row. There is no question about it: any effort done on a static Concept2 can be beaten on a Dynamic machine. Because the machine moves beneath the seat, it is actually much easier to increase your stroke rate without using as much energy as you would use on a static machine.
the BEST equipment are ones that are easy to fix at home and their websites sells every single replaceable part , i seen so many £2000+ machines out there that have zero support zero cheap replacement parts ( charges a premium if they do ) concept 2 is the best for competition stats maintenance and user friendly
A very interesting point!! Totally agree!
I've used many.
I like the Octane Ro the best.
Best blend of wind resistance and mag resistance, that is adjustable.
It's 129 lbs that moves and stores easily.. and can handle 350 lb users.... so it is ROCK SOLID.
The handle design is ingenious. The display design is bright, well defined and contains the information you are actually interested in.
I HATE machines that are somehow tied to subscriptions. The Octane Ro has no such subscription model.
If you can afford $1700, Octane Ro is what I would suggest.
Bruh they are $1500 on Amazon.. For an extra 200 might as well get the matrix lol
I'm trying to figure out what rowing machine to by, what I'm looking at with most consideration is what give you the best workout. I've only ever been on the concept 2 but I would love to consider a water rower or this magnetic one. The handle thing isn't an issue if you ask me, looks easily replaceable. I've got no problem dropping 2k on a machine i just have so much issue figuring out what to get.
I've actually looked with great interest at the Dynamic Concept rower.
Anyways thanks for the info.
Either one can give you the best workout. It's about how hard you yourself row!
@@trainingtall Sounds about right, i know they all pretty much have adjustments. Just too many options is the real problem. thanks for the replay.
Bought a water rower...a month ago..returning it for the matrix. Rowed on concept 2 all my life...its ok.. but puts alot of strain on the ankles...boring mCgine!! Matrix seems smoother and is more comfortable...as well as challenging!! Beautiful machine while concept is dull and boring...seat uncomfortable .
@@veronicab.4200 I've actually looked at the Matrix a few times, I've heard a few times that they get easier over time. The big thing that has made me resist getting a water rower so far is all the tracks the seats sit on. I like to be particularly agressive and the seat need to be on a nice track for my preference. I'm aware that that each machine is adjustable in difficulty I just don't know enough, I understand it pretty much all about preference. Thanks for the input, I've been leaning matrix more and more.
@@spatha2456 thank u for sharing. I have a warer rower top if the line. Nothing wrong with the seat!! I just need more resistance..unfortunately he is sold out and I am stuck with the water rower for another week!!! Seems like covid 19 has everyone investing in fitness!! GO Matrix!! ;)
I started shopping for a rower just before COVID shut it all down and now there's almost zero chance of getting a Concept 2 before July. I don't want to wait that long. What's your 2nd favorite rower?
Oh no I'm sorry to hear that :( WaterRower is a good alternative!
concept 2 is worth waiting for, it comes apart, easy to move. I take mine outside for sunshine rowing. Luckily I got mine in 2019. Just wait
Look at the Spirit 800 model. Concept 2 patent is out and everybody can make one. Spirit is in stock and I ship them daily. More expensive but quiet and better warranty.
@Training Tall ... Will you do a comparison between *Dynamic* (Oartec Dx, RowPerfect/RP3) versus *Static* (Concept2) rowers? And no, Concept2's verison of the dynamic is supposedly not even remotely the same as the Oartec or the RowPerfect. Dynamic rowers are supposed to be easier on the lower back, emphasis on leg drive and reinforces proper technique with every single stroke.
As soon as I can get my hands on other rowing machines, I will make comparison videos for them! Thanks for the info!
About to hop into rowing for exercise/fitness...I don't see that you've ever reviewed the Inspire CR2 cross rower? What are your thoughts on this machine vs. the Matrix or Concept2?
Or maybe the Zebex 2?
How did you not compare that the C2 requires maintenance on the chain and the Matrix requires no maintenance?
The Matrix does actually require maintenance! I am not fully versed in the maintenance for both so decided not to talk about it!
I’m trying to pay off debts, and can only afford to spend $500 for the Schwinn Crewmaster (or something similar). Do you think the Crewmaster is good enough to get started on while I work on saving up for a Concept2?
I haven't tried it, but I'll see if I can get my hands on it!
In my opinion, I'd seriously consider being more patient and just save up for the C2. If you drop 500, you think you'll be able to turn around and sell the schwinn for even $350 on craigslist?
500 is about 1/2 of what you need. Just keep saving and get the one you truly want. That's just my opinion. I love my concept2, and know that with minimal maintenance, it'll be the only rower I'll buy for 20+ years!
Dont do it... just save for the concept2.. I tried a few different ones and there is no comparison...concept 2 rocks
Huge factor: the flesh. The people, customer service, owners,....the corporate culture. Matrix?: Taiwanese mega corp. Call for customer service > will get multi level auto select, possibly, with patience getting human being who has little knowledge of (for example) computer interactive procedure that was tested out on consumers/bleeding edge. Concept2: Call, or walk in the front door, you can talk to Customer Service people who have been there 9 years, 12 years. Ask to speak to one of the Dreissigacker, brothers (founders, owners, since 1976), and you can! While the other brother is not far up the road, continuing to operate a nonprofit that has supported and build many stellar coaches and athletes in rowing, nordic skiing, running and biking.
Holy crap. The price is a huge difference. You can get almost two Concept 2s for a Matrix. Concept 2 all the way!
Hi Austin! I've found a good quality/price compromise in the V-Fit Tornado Air Rower, which basically we can define as a "mini Concept 2" for home use. It is a very popular rowing machine in the UK and an Amazon number one choice, and all in all it's a good bang for the buck. It features an interesting progressive air resistance, which is not bad at all for long distances. It shares quite a bit of similarities with the Concept 2, including the noisiness :D The two models you are presenting are definitely of a higher level, much more suitable for Gyms or Rowing Clubs than for at home workouts...
By the way, at 1:10 I saw Vera De Milo suddenly appear! :D :D Ah ah ah Keep it up man!
Very interesting! I'll have to check it out!
Hahaha I have gotten that reference too many times!
But what about the monitor/console? Matrix does not seem to have same ability to set up workouts or capture details about interval details, memory storage of workouts?
Do you have the review of the new Gran Turismo 7 game on PS5? Just asking for a friend...
I'm much interested in the force-curve/feeling of rowing of this machine.
Yes - I need to make that discussion video, because it is a BIG difference between the two machines.
I have tried out some rowing machines with magnetic -brakes, but bye now all of them sufferd from the fact, that in air the resistance rises with the square of the speed, whie magnetic braking is linear to speed.
(What causes a felt lose in resistance in the second part of the stroke)
May this probem can get overcome bye electronically increasing teh resistance during the stroke(increase magnetic field, during every stroke)
but I'm not sure if any producer of rowingmachines in the hole world has already implemneted such a feature?!?
Does the Matrix maintain online performance data? I am motivated by peer group competition, so I am afraid that the Concept 2's data (and erg competitions) are too valuable to give up. Otherwise, the Matrix might be better for me.
If you want to peer group competition, C2 is really the only option!
Excellent video, I rowed in college (5 years ago) and now want to get back into it... do you think the Concept 2 Dynamic would be louder than the static counterpart? I live in an apartment building, and I am mainly concerned about it being heard by neighbours below - and I'm considering the dynamic for Form and lower back reasons, just wondering about noise
The noise would be just as bad on a dynamic, I'm afraid! I know the apartment struggle though... you may want to consider something like the Matrix as an option!
@@trainingtall and a thick rubber mat.
Is there some reason you don't put the handle of the Concept in the provided holder? It's drivin' me nuts!
It actually tends to wear out the chain more! Setting it up to the machine keeps the chain healthier for longer - plus I am 6'8" and have the reach to put it all the way back!
Training Tall thx! I’m 6’3” so I’ll do the same if it saves wear
The seats on the Concept 2 are part of the fun...
Haha yeah the "butt shimmy" you have to do in the middle of a long workout is just SO fun ;)
LOL no pain no gain..
Just as in biking, "soft, cushy seats" cause bloodflow problems, when used over the long term. This is why road bike seats are generally much firmer than is comfortable for someone unaccustomed to them. The Concept 2 seat is designed properly. It is a bit of a disservice to customers to lead them to believe a softer seat is necessarily a "preferred" thing. Concept 2's have universally high ratings for a reason. One kinda needs to be experienced with specific equipment types in order to give good reviews on them. :-D
@@ShortBusRuss I guess I'll hold off for a bit on that extra cushioning I'd considered adding. I'll wait and see how my butt adjusts over the next few months. A *very* helpful comment, thanks!
@@gregoryreese8491 No problem, man. Good luck with the rower. I am about to start upping my physical activity myself this Fall/Winter.
what do you think of the water rower? can you make a video?
Water Rower comparison is next!
I find the c2 noise kind of satisfying, like you are really moving something
Good vid :)
... question doesn’t need to be asked 😬 C2 !
I've used both and can't stand rowing on the Matrix. When using the Matrix I really missed the woosh sound of the Concept2
But maybe your neighbors don't miss the whoosh sound 🤣🤣
The indoor rowing community use Concept 2’s. If you’re going to want to compete, then it’s going to have to be on a C2 and finally, indoor rowing is tough, very tough, so a sore arse (which incidentally the C2 has never given me) will be the least of your worries.
Funny how all machines except R3 and Concept2 have much lower split times. I row a 1:54 2000 (I’m 60) and on the water rower I was at 1:41
Guess which machine my coach looks at?
It is odd huh! Matrix I would say actually has a bit higher of split times!
The sunny fitness?
I am curious to see how the Schwinn Crewmaster Rower would stack up against concept 2?
Concept2 closer foot placement is better if you are practicing for rowing in a boat
Except for the new Hudson footplates that are wider!
How do you use a rowing machine for beginners?
Do you like the feel of the Matrix? I own a concept 2 and i love it, but considering you can get a concept for under $1000 and the Matrix seem to start at $1900 i would question if its worth the added cost, considering you can buy aftermarket seats for the concept and concept also has rowing software support.
The feel of the matrix is definitely a "different" feeling than the concept 2. Something about the magnetic resistance makes the catch (start) of the stroke feel heavier. I would say the big draw to the matrix is the foot placement and the silence of the machine. Other than that, C2 really does beat out Matrix, especially considering what you've said. If you've got a C2 and like it, keep it!
For some people who live in apartments or tight spaces and want a virtually silent experience and solid machine it's a no brainer. If your option was no rowing for 1 year (time of your lease) or spend $1900 on a solid machine that is virtually silent, will last years, and you can row whenever the heck you want.. What would you choose?
Never seen a matrix rower in a British rowing club. On the other hand the concept is everywhere, every club has a long bank of machines as they are the preferred option for water towers.
I am not sure if Matrix has rowing machines internationally or not.. interesting!
Why would you ever use anything other than a concept 2? It’s what they use at international level competition and it’s also what real rowers use. The noise is most similar to real rowing along with the foot plates and the seat.
also cheaper and easier to fix no doubt ,their websites replacement parts nearly worldwide shipping and the parts cost as much as the production only ,i bet this matrix company would charge u an arm and a leg for a bolt to be shipped to you
I have a concept 2 but new tecnogym rower is a lot better. Unfortunately its over £3000, nearly 3 times the price.
Yeah that is PRICEY! Luckily, C2's are great!
Indoor rower model E's best machine. I think.
it is now used by player. actually.
It is a great machine!
Nice, once again many thanks
No problem! Thanks again for watching!
pretty stupid question lol whats better for weight loss? or is it the same
Hey Aaron! It's gonna be the same for both, pretty much! It all depends on how frequent you're exercising and keeping control of eating habits!
You don’t need to spend a lot of money to get a quality gym like experience. It may not have the fancy digital screens but just put on a tv and go for a row.
Anyone have any feedback on the Life Core R100 if you can get it at half the price of the Concept 2?
Magnetic resistance on a good machine is far less sympathetic of poor technique. Your action has got to be really smooth. You cannot grab at it nor heave the stroke (you shouldn’t on any rower). Concept 2 is a bit more forgiving and might suit the novice or infrequent user. Of course, there is no substitute for decent form.
I agree that there is no substitute for decent form. However, the magnetic resistance seems to create a higher "load" at the catch (start) of the stroke. I think for beginners, this may actually be more helpful than the air resistance on the C2 because of the heavy stroke eliciting a more "connected" feeling. Great topic and comment, Anthony!
Training Tall that’s a good point. The catch is definitely more ‘weighty’ on magnetic, so I can see why that connection might benefit a novice. There is a substantial feel to that first part of the stroke. Good video, by the way.
Thanks, Anthony!
Which do you recommend for the taller rower
At 6'8" I can actually hit the back end of the Concept 2 but on the Matrix there is extra room for if you are even taller!
You can order a Concept2 with an extra long rail: www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/compare
Thanks for sharing, Geoff! Didn't even realize that!
A heavyweight empacher 1x rowing shell, obviously
Has anyone with a Matrix Rower that goes through the user option and goes though age, weight and so on start a challenge work out and the calories don’t seem to work? Only bug I have found so far. Has anyone else had this silly issue?
Technogym skillrow beats both hands down, unfortunately it costs more than both these rowing machines put together.
I'll have to give it a try!
Tecnogym is like Hammer Strength and costs 6000 dollars. Incomparable with these objects
Do you have a review of the Horizon 6 rower?
Think the current C2 is loud? Go find a Model B! That sucker sounded like a jet engine!
A lot of people say the Concept 2 is loud, and a lot of people say that it isn't. I guess I'll just have to wait and see if I puss off my neighbors.
Piss off*
I need a lighter weight machine that is semi silent - any suggestions??
Hmm... not off of the top of my head! WaterRower is fairly light when you take out the water!
and it stores easily!
C2!
Matrix wins hands down but I'll replace the handle with a Concept2 handle. I'm a bit shocked Matrix use such a stupid string attached handle. Can you also tell us all about the BodyCraft VR500 and the SpiritFitness CRW 800. I hear both of those have adjustable resistance we can change directly from the handle. Now isn't that AWESOME! ✔🔥
I will try to get on those machines if I can!! Thanks for watching!!
@@trainingtall ok, definitly, sounds great!, please do and please write back with your opinion and / or do a video on them. Actually I'm searching for the affordable, absolutely silent rowing machine that makes no wind ,has no moving external parts other than the handle and pull strap, that also has fully adjustable large range of resistance levels with the bluetooth resistance settings in the handle so we can change up the resistance directly from handle while rowing, that is as portable as possible yet solid, stable and well built that a professional serious athlete would want as well as the beginner The BodyCraft VR500 has 32 levels of resistance while the Spirit CRW 800 only has 16, which still is nice. The only thing is, I'm pretty sure both these still have a fan/flywheel gizmo, which I believe will make more noise (and of course make some wind which in turn makes dust)than a good quality water rower. I'm going to a couple nearby stores that have all of these to try them out this week hopefully. I'm also not keen on the wooden Water Rower original brand mostly due to my concerns if we keep it in damp locations. If kept in a dry living room the wooden ones are beautiful. I'd like to have a look at the XTerra- erg650w-water-rower and try it. It looks good and is on Amazon for 925$ including shipping. I think the all metal version of the original Water Rower machine sells for about 1,500 $s. Keep up the great work! ENJOY ✔🌟
but which is used by every national team. that’s right the concept
Yup!
Not really... The entire Olympic Dutch team uses RP3s along with several other professional rowing clubs
I think it’s important to mention the Matrix is twice the price of the C2.
Definitely. I d mention this in my most updated video on the Matrix!
@@trainingtall I am a sales rep for Matrix and our rower is definitely not twice the price. In fact almost nearly identical.
@@ToddStClair-vk4ov Concept D is $900. Matrix is $1895. I'm not a math scientist but pretty sure 19 is MORE than two times as much as 9. If you can sell me a new Matrix rower for $900...I'll give you my email and you can send me an invoice.
What about the Technogym Skillrow??
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If you really want to do sports and rowing !
Can someone post a link to part 2 , I can’t find it ?
Hey Casey - part 2 is still in the works!
Nice -- I look forward to it! Agree so far with your assessment, but the magnet resistance on the matrix feels unnatural / less fluid to me.
Is the concept 2 durable?
Very durable! Many rowing teams use C2's for many, many years!
1 min 30 sec pace? How long can you keep that going for ???
Probably 4 minutes or so!
Training Tall yeah that’s a tough pace, I better start practicing
Training Tall I’m trying a new thing most days to keep it at 16 SPM but how long can I make the workout last ????