For me it was familiarity, which meant air resistance. I got on the waiting list for a Concept2 in early February 2021, and was able to purchase a rowerg at the end of March. I've rowed on every model of the Concept2 with the exception of the Dynamic. As mentioned below by other commenters, I really appreciate the community surrounding the Concept2.
My purchase was determined entirely on seeing the Concept2's at the CrossFit Games. For me I already believed in the bullet proof rowers C2 builds. Best $625 I've spent on a life enhancing tool.
I appreciate the balanced info you present in your video AND the easily visual labels! Just HAD to laugh, though, at "real" rowing... "real" rowing IS in a rowboat, with a fixed seat. Rowing was functional, for work, before it was a sport. "Most common these days" (vs. "real") is rowing on a rowing machine... even more so than in a skull. I was taught to row in the ocean in a dinghy, and my dad taught me the difference between using a more circular stroke to avoid wind-chopped waves, vs. feathering for efficiency on a calm surface. (Then we built a sliding seat!) I realize this isn't a point most people will care about; I'm just poking fun as a fellow rowing geek.
As a beginner living in an apartment looking to buy who has never rowed on water and probably never will ... Three most important factors in order 1. Space 2. Loudness 3. Price.
Bought a hydraulic rower way back in college and fell in love with the rowing workout. When I got a job, I upgraded to a magnetic rower but never got the motivation to use it consistently.... until I stumbled on Dark Horse Rowing. During this pandemic, thanks to you Shane and your follow along workouts, I got reacquainted with indoor rowing and made a bet with myself- if I could row 50,000 strokes, I would upgrade my erg to a water rower. I hit that goal in June 2021. In July, I bought a water rower and fell in love with indoor rowing even more! Thank you Shane!
I took up rowing 12 years ago at age 61. Access to boats and water were easy in Seattle, but it involved lots of land practice on ergs too. Mostly we used Concept 2 (C2) ergs which are the standard issue in most boathouses. They provide basic feedback on the built-in monitor for training. We also used a few Row Perfects (RP3) at the boathouse . The RP3 uses a dynamic slide, that means your seat and feet both slide independently replicating that part of rowing on water. Concept 2 also makes a dynamic erg. Dynamic ergs are also said to be easier on your back. For more detailed , easier to read rowing feedback than the C2 monitor provides, RP3 has an app that can be downloaded to a smart pad and attached to the machine. I use an RP3 at home now.
Water rower for me. I bought it tested ago when it was less popular and didn't cost arm and leg because of covid. It was still pretty expensive compared to other equipment though. The relaxing effect is gold. It makes you want to use it. And on the plus side I can prop it by the wall and instead of havong a big bulky piece of equipment I get complements from visitors who say it looks beautiful. If I was a competitive rower then the c2 is the way to go, but for others who can afford any water rower - go for it.
I love the SmartRow force graph connectivity, and of course the splishy splishy sound, the lack of chain, and the fact that I can tip it up against the wall when I need the guest room for actual guests.
I’ve had a concept 2 before I sold it with no regrets to a guy who paid $900 all quarters. What I didn’t like is the metallic chain sound, dust build up on the fan and the steel rails and the large size and weight. I also tried the Teeter rower which is a gimmick and returned it in a week. I now have a 121 dollar hydraulic rower by Sunny Fitness and couldn’t be happier with the dual handles and small form factor. Only thing is the hydraulic gets hot after 300 strokes and the occasional squeaks which you need to spray wd40.
Fan of your channel! New to rowing, love your instruction. One consideration you didn't mention, which was needed in my case, storage or movability. Price, of course, but I went with manual magnetic due to neighbors (living a condominium). I also needed easy moveability for the equipment (store upright behind door of a room). As a beginner, my decision was based on 1. price 2. sound 3. maintenance 4. easy moveabilty
I have both a water rower and an air rower. My favorite is the air rower for the consistency as well as the electronics. The water rower is very therapeutic and I enjoy that a couple days of the week.
Honestly, as with many pursuits, it's probably better to focus less on the machine, and more on yourself. That's why your channel is so valuable. The techniques we use can apply to any piece of hardware.
I do have a water rower (lit method's rower) which does actually have 4 different resistance settings. Flipping a switch causes water to drain in or away from the chamber that has the wheel, and the difference is noticeable.
I bought a Merax water rower. I then researched the company and was negatively impressed. Fortunately I only paid $20.00 for the machine (lovely blue tank). I'm 80 yo and have shoulder and knee issues. I figure that as i adapt to this machine i will be able to asses the rowing protocall to my physical issues. Hopefully I will adapt and will be able to purchase the C2 rower because of its universality, available parts and supportive culture. I will be looking for a used rower, late model and good condition. I enjoy your videos
What I really like (other than my Model C) is that you just left space for all of us to find the best rower for each of us. That's really cool. Having never rowed on water I love watching the Olympic rowers do their thing. The 2012 Olympics in London where the two British ladies won was inspiring. Thanks for continuing to develop as a coach for all of us.
Great video! Your analysis confirmed my choice of rower. I bought a water rower because I wanted a meditative experience while listening to the sloshing of the water with ever stroke. Its also aesthetically pleasing to look at in my gym and it was a space saver, since it leans against the wall. The most important factor was noise. I can row and not wake anyone up.
Just bought a C2. The stroke FEELS perfect and the computer captures so many metrics and posts to Strava, Garmin and the C2 Logbook which I find tobe a great plus for tracking my progress. Also there is such a wide community that uses this machine that it has its own users forum and lastly it's it's easily portable and I can break it down and put it in my car and do a workout in the park or at any other location. Hope that helps
Amazing video. I own several rowers and the most important aspect: one does not fit everyone. For home use I prefer my vertical mounted water tank rower from FDF for the amazing water feeling, but also love the German Augletics Eight for its most advanced concept and the AI-based integrated trainer that comes without any subscription.
first time when I tried rowing machine it was water rower and after few minutes I fell in love with it... then internet and other people suggested that air rower is better and cheaper... I tried that but didn't enjoyed as much as water rower... but enjoyment was not the only factor it was also effectiveness... I felt much more active after rowing in water rower... i tried cheap mid range and expensive air rower but I wasn't just doing it for me... I don't know may be I was doing it wrong or it was something else..... I felt the resistance of water rower was much more effective for me than the air rower.... I know its gone require some maintenance still I am going with AFTON Xterra ERG 600W Water Rower
I just purchased a water rower and will be opening the package today. The reason for my choice of a water rower vs others is because of all the pros that you mentioned. I am excited to set it up and start using it. Thank you for your great videos. They help tremendously
I know this is an older post but wanted to say I enjoy your content. I just picked up a used Ergatta and did my beginner session using the coach ai to check my form. I picked it for its sound, looks, and ease of storing it upright. We don't have a big house, no basements in Florida so I needed something nice enough to keep in my living room and quiet enough to not bother everyone in our open-concept house. I was torn because of not being able to adjust the resistance but in the end, it checked the most boxes of what I needed. My kids have already made their profiles and are engaged with the gaming format. I plan to follow your advice from a previous video and focus on my form before trying to go all out. I'm 44 and already have back and knee issues- I'm looking to enhance my health and mobility long-term so I'm looking at this as a slow and steady process vs. killing myself to reach some aesthetic goal.
I am really considering one of the combo Water/Magnetic rowers off Amazon. I am not trying to become a professional rower, I just want to get back in shape. I figure the flexability of the magnet will both allow my wife and I to use it at different levels, and use the bluetooth to do workouts where they change the resistance for me on the fly. Price is a huge factor, i know most of the youtubers say to just get a concept or one of the new 1k+ machines with a huge subscription tag each month but that just isnt in the budget for a lot of folks...I appreciate your presentation of the information without judgment or bias. Here is hoping that I make the right choice! the combo unit seems like the best of both worlds since its just a water rower if you unplug it, but with some added resistance options. Thanks again!
My 2 cents having used all these machines for 25+ years....go with a WaterRower or FluidRower if you are new to rowing and accommodating your wife who also may be new. It will feel better and provide ample exercise. Go with a Concept2 air resistance if you want to have varying resistance. Avoid magnetic rowers unless you buy a high end Hydrow where the resistance is well managed via computer. Cheap Amazon magnetic rowers offer unnatural rowing and can promote injury for lack of smooth acceleration through the pull.
i have the concept 2 in my home and the waterrower in my apt in another city. I bought it due to the low sound level . The concept 2 is the superior machine by far. Computer is much more advanced with excellenct BT and apps and the rowing motion is smoother. It's cheaper and built like a tank. The water rower is asthetically pleasing and quiet but the monitor is so out dated, has no built in blue tooth, the font on the display is so small that at my age I can't see the alphabetical display from the rowing position. The motion is also a little herky jerky compared to the concept 2.
I went with my concept 2 rower because of both previous experience at a gym I used to train at and the reliability of that machine. I love rowing workouts and even use it as a warm-up on strength training days.
I just purchased a new powertrain air rower for a nice price. Obviously it's not a Concept but it is built like a tank and weighs 81lbs. I'm 59 years old in September and I have done more running than I care to think about. I'm looking forward to being on this Air Rower three days a week, as I lift the other three days. The secret to success is just keep moving, and being blessed by God not to have a catastrophe happen!
I still haven't decided what to get. Very tempted by the Hydrow, but put off by how closed their ecosystem is. I've been starting to lean toward a Concept2 despite the noise, but hearing in your video about having to clean out the dust is SUPER useful! I live in a very dusty area, probably aggravated by how much I like to keep my windows open. Still considering the Concept2, but keeping it clean enough might end up being a nightmare for me.
As to affording it, it is right in the middle of the pack, price wise. It astonishes me anyone would pay more money than a Concept 2 when you can just buy the Concept 2.
I recently bought a used R300 c2 "clone"...what a great machine. It doesn't have the metrics as the c2 but just as equal in performance. Its also surprisingly quiet.
Nice informative review, thanks. I'm new to rowing machines and it would appear to me that the magnetic (not emr) is the most practical all around, not to mention decent pricing/value ratio. Cheers!
I found a water rower series 4 without a seat in a junk store for $20. Yep $20. Ordered a seat and now I’m learning how to row. Can’t figure out the monitor thing but I’ll eventually get there.
Air rower - absolutely love our Concept 2. Have used these at our pre-Covid gyms in US and in UK. Covid hit, so we bout one for our home. Fantastic build, durable and consistently good. Very pleased with how well and consistent it performs.
I had a waterower for years and display went and seal started leaking. Instead of repairing i bought a new Rogue Echo rower. Man, i like them both for different reasons. Sometimes i miss the Waterower for the experience as you addressed but the new Rogue is a beast and im more driven on it than the Waterower.
Up here in Maine real rowing is taking your dingy out to where your boat is tied or anchored. But since I don't have a boat or a dingy and I'm a few miles from the coast, I'm shopping for a rowing machine.
First Degreee Fitness FluidRowers offer patented twin tank adjustable resistance - you have the sight sound and feel of on the water rowing Leading air rower offers 15% change in resistance, FluidRower offers up to 120% change in resistance.
Have been using a magnetic rower (manual) 2 times a week since March 2020. Only issues I have encountered is lubrication of seat rollers and battery replacement on the computer. I have also done a "hack" to fix the pedals since they swiveled.
I’ll be buying a Concept 2 for the gym in my second home because I use one at my regular gym and I’m used to it. Also, I’m partial to things that don’t plug in and don’t tear up.
I am by no means wealthy, but I decided to invest in the Hydrow, for myself and my family. They say the best machine is the one you are going to use. I know myself, I know I can’t stick to any sort of gym environment, yet I truly need classes to keep motivated. I needed to minimize the outside effort so I could stick to a fitness plan. The Hydrow is easy to set up and easy to start, the classes are fun and engaging, and it’s all just hop on and go. It’s exactly what works for me, I never put it away, and I actually look forward to my workouts now! When I have the time and dedication I can cast DH onto my tv as well, so win win.
Face it. At about $900, the Concept 2 blows everything else away. Fabulous computer, simple mechanics, probably won't break before you die. And it's the one everyone practices on and races on. No matter how many bells and whistles you add, you have to do the work, which is a beast but man, what a rush after you're done.
Have been on a waiting list for Concept 2 for one year as I write this. The model D is supposedly finally available again now, so things are improving as far as it even being an option, but I went with another machine last fall and love it. Sure, the computer is less advanced than on the Concept 2 but it still has everything I need, and everything else is an improvement imo (the seat is slightly more comfortable, the hand grip is superior, and the actual fan is way better too). So there are options worth looking into. Jan.
@@null3911 Correct. Will be in stock later this month. There has been a waiting list (world wide) since last summer, were you not even aware of this? Jan.
@@frohlic Prices went up by $200 when they were back in stock again - according to Concept2 due to an "upgrade" (I personally believe manufacturing was simply moved to a country they could get their goods out of, i.e. to China?). And p.s. - even the old model E is back in stock and for sale now, that is the one I would go for myself. Great machines! Jan.
I bought a magnetic rower. I started using it and had totally kicked my backside. The resistance if very strong on it. The first time i used it i couldnt move for three days. I had used muscles i didnt know i have.
Thanks for this. If I could, I'd get a electro magnetic. I don't want to deal with maintenance issues (the problem with air rowers). Water rower seem complicated (you've got to clean the water). And hydraulic rowers seem unnatural. The only problem is the price and the space. Very tempting to get a magnetic rower. I'll just have to try it out at the gym and then decide. Thanks so much!
With a background in sports science and clinical exercise science, plus sports coaching and rehab experience, my criteria were a comfy, free-moving seat (hamstring friendly!), comprehensive metrics on a clear display, ability to monitor drag factor and adjust as required for consistency, and a good feel in the first half of the stroke. I don't need any of the consumer immersive stuff or fancy looks, but I do need robustness and reliability. It meant my shortlist was either a Concept 2 or an RP3. If I was still living close to water and planning to get back on it, it would have been the RP3. But I'm up in the hills and far from the nearest club and water so the RP3 would have been an indulgence. So, it's a Concept 2. Oh, and I love the noise - gratifying and instant feedback!
I dedicated these past weeks testing rowing machines for home use. In one shop I tested a C2 and a magnetic air rower back-to-back. Even though there was considerable resistance on the magnetic I felt strongly that there was something missing. I had to return home and mentally replay my comparison experience to realize that noise was the element missing from the magnetic. The noise on the air rower gave an instant metric of how hard or intense my brief workout was, whereas the magnetic was a mute, flat-line, monotonous companion, albeit a strong one.
Thank you for a thorough trade-off analysis. Dunno if you're still tracking the comments. What do you think of hybrids like electromagnetic and air? Appreciate your thoughts.
I'm looking at getting the Teeter or the Reality more concerned with getting a little weight training in but no one posts resistance levels on anything. They go "Resistance, yeah; uh um it's got five levels" Which doesn't help me if it's all in cardio or aerobic range. Like that the Teeter is elliptical, can reverse and still have resistance, and you can prorate whether your putting out power through shoulders, chest, quads, or hammys. The Reality seems like it may have independent clutches for each handle, now while it's not as cool and being able to reverse being able to truly unilateral on it would be a nice feature. But I can't actually confirm whether this is even true or not. Anyway thanks and take care.
No? For some people, the noise alone is not viable for their situation. Price can also be prohibitive depending on your budget. The point of the video, which was well-handled, is that there actually isn't one best solution for everyone.
@@strategicsage7694 I have trouble with the price issue. Most half way decent alternatives to Concept 2 cost more. In most cases, quite a bit more. The only models I can thing of that are decent and cheaper are some of the less expensive water rowers.
I don't own it but it appears the R300 is one heck of an air rower. The monitor also appears to be top notch not having to push button to get different statistics.
@@paulthorade6977 😆😆😆 it’s nearly an exact copy of the Concept 2 model D. It’s basically a copy and they are asking for the same amount of money. How they aren’t being sued by Concept 2 I will never know. Buy the original 🇺🇸 and buy the best. Concept 2 Model D.
Electric mag with air resistance is the way to go 💪🏼 It's seriously challenging and the resistance is significantly greater than air only machines like the Concept2. I use the rower for building muscle and I really don't think air resistance machines cut it for that purpose.
found a barely used water rower on marketplace for $150, couldnt pass it up. I never used any other rower before this so i cant compare, but I have no desire to try anything else, i really like the water rower for all the reasons you listed as pros. my main concern was that it didnt have adjustable resistance, but so far ive been surprised how difficult it gets when you push yourself on it. I dont care about the apps and stuff to compare to other people, ive tried things like that before with strava and to me it takes a lot of enojyment out of the activity because im always looking at the dam app. as long as i can compare myself to myself thats all i need.
Searched high and low for this answer with no luck so I'm coming to the pros, how do the fitness monitors compare between rower brands? Will the 2k time on a stamina or proform etc, compare to a concept 2 time for the same person? Will they be even close?
The concept 2 would be my choice, but space limitation is the issue. My water rower I can simply stand up and then use the room. C2 is too long and not easily moved out of the way.
Any suggestions for a magnetic or SUPER quiet rower that has long reach like that of the Concept 2 (and what seems most air rowers)? not interested at all in the maintenance of water.
Recommendations for a water rower? I am looking for something long term, not necessarily tech heavy. Definitely don't want a subscription required device.
I felt the resistance of water rower was much more effective for me than the air rower....maybe I was doing it wrong, I don't know....still I am going with AFTON Xterra ERG 600W Water Rower
New sub here. I just found your channel after searching for rowing machine info. I think i will get the manual magnetic for the low noise and space and of course price. Decathlon offers a cheaper ones. I just want to build strength and a bit of muscles, a bit difficult for thin woman. I gained 1kg of muscles in 6months with some resistance, run, cycling and swim..now i want to try rowing, sounds interesting
Thank you for the explanation. It is highly doubtful that air resistance will be any different at (human breathable) altitude. I live at 2,000m and there is no difference, so I think that your suggestion about altitude difference is more about searching for an extra "con" rather than anything else. Any difference would be negligible and humidity is likely a more important factor than air gas density at the altitudes humans live.
Thanks. I am totally blind and new to rowing machines. What would you recommend since a monitor wo’t be of any benefit to me? If there is an app for my iPhone or iPad, I could use the voice-over feature to read what is on a screen though. From this video, it sounds like the manual magnetic resistance machine would be best for me. Maybe the air resistance, but maybe not due to the cleaning maintenance. What do you think?
Despite the many comments saying that you can't vary the resistance with a water rower, this isn't correct - you simply vary the amount of water in the tank. More water = more resistance, less water = less resistance. Far from as easy or quick as a 'dial' on magnetic / hydraulic, etc, but it's perfectly simple regardless of the orientation of the tank.
First Degreee Fitness FluidRowers offer patented twin tank adjustable resistance - you have the sight sound and feel of on the water rowing Leading air rower offers 15% change in resistance, FluidRower offers up to 120% change in resistance.
I just want to know which category is the Concept 2 fall into. Obviously, it magnetic but is it also air? Lookin at similar ones like the Endurance R300. Nice break-down video explaining whats what.
So a lot of reviews say a magnetic rower doesn’t “feel” the same but am I still getting the same workout? I’m just looking for an affordable rower for my house on days I don’t feel like going to the gym. Will I still be getting just as good a workout? I don’t actually row on the water just enjoy the workout.
magnetic is perfect for you. i aint jumping in a boat any time soon so dont need the rowing experience.. like he said rowing machines have been used to get ppl fit for decades, tech has advanced but ppl are the same..
No the workouts will not be the same. Your work effort (exercise) is a function of the force (resistance) the machine is generating against you over the time you use it. Magnetic rowers offer constant or fixed resistance while fluid (air & water) rowers create varying resistance as a result of fluid dynamics. As such, the force curves for both will look different, and as a result, the work you put in will differ significantly between the two. Physically fluid rowers are easier on the body and can offer greater variability in work loads.
Hey DH Rowing, thanks for yr informative videos. I recently bought a Water Rower, over all others - mainly for the natural sound and feel, plus I like the aesthetics of the wood (ash). I have yet to work out how much water I need for the resistance required. I want to slim down - after a back injury/weight gain. Any advice? Ttfn
Thanks for the info! Ive been using a Concept 2 at the gym and im looking for a machine for home thats a little less expensive. Can you recommend something? Thanks again!!
if you're in the US, I'd check fb marketplace for a used C2, preferably one from a home vs a gym (the latter sometime are more ragged out). I've watched a ton of vids and c2 is actually the lowest priced of the really well-performing rowers. Costco sometimes sells a magnetic type rower, but I didn't like the feel as much, it seemed like withe each pull I could feel it go from like no resistance for a split second, then the magnet would kick in. But on the better ones, the resistance feel more similar to a gradual increase.
I just got a hydraulic machine. Don't care about water. It's the excirse. Don't need computers or water. It is great and I didn't spend a shit ton of money. Easy decision for me
Great video thank you. I understand that water-based machines don’t offer much variability (other than row harder - as you say) but I guess the same is true for boats on water? So, why is the ability to vary resistance so important? Thank you.
First Degreee Fitness FluidRowers offer patented twin tank adjustable resistance - you have the sight sound and feel of on the water rowing Leading air rower offers 15% change in resistance, FluidRower offers up to 120% change in resistance.
the biggest difference is in the ERGONOMICS of the machine whatever the resistance... plenty of air machines are made by non-rowers unlike at C2 where the rail angle and foot spacing and reach are all more designed on good/real rowing
why do rowers fail to say TURBINE when thats the main resistance interface whether water or air... the flywheel is just an additional part of the turbine
What resistance pros and cons were/are important to you when determining a rowing machine to buy?
For me it was familiarity, which meant air resistance. I got on the waiting list for a Concept2 in early February 2021, and was able to purchase a rowerg at the end of March. I've rowed on every model of the Concept2 with the exception of the Dynamic.
As mentioned below by other commenters, I really appreciate the community surrounding the Concept2.
My purchase was determined entirely on seeing the Concept2's at the CrossFit Games. For me I already believed in the bullet proof rowers C2 builds. Best $625 I've spent on a life enhancing tool.
I appreciate the balanced info you present in your video AND the easily visual labels! Just HAD to laugh, though, at "real" rowing... "real" rowing IS in a rowboat, with a fixed seat. Rowing was functional, for work, before it was a sport. "Most common these days" (vs. "real") is rowing on a rowing machine... even more so than in a skull.
I was taught to row in the ocean in a dinghy, and my dad taught me the difference between using a more circular stroke to avoid wind-chopped waves, vs. feathering for efficiency on a calm surface. (Then we built a sliding seat!)
I realize this isn't a point most people will care about; I'm just poking fun as a fellow rowing geek.
Your description of magnetic vs. electromagnetic was suuuuper clear for me. Thank you!
As a beginner living in an apartment looking to buy who has never rowed on water and probably never will ... Three most important factors in order 1. Space 2. Loudness 3. Price.
Bought a hydraulic rower way back in college and fell in love with the rowing workout. When I got a job, I upgraded to a magnetic rower but never got the motivation to use it consistently.... until I stumbled on Dark Horse Rowing. During this pandemic, thanks to you Shane and your follow along workouts, I got reacquainted with indoor rowing and made a bet with myself- if I could row 50,000 strokes, I would upgrade my erg to a water rower. I hit that goal in June 2021. In July, I bought a water rower and fell in love with indoor rowing even more! Thank you Shane!
I took up rowing 12 years ago at age 61. Access to boats and water were easy in Seattle, but it involved lots of land practice on ergs too. Mostly we used Concept 2 (C2) ergs which are the standard issue in most boathouses. They provide basic feedback on the built-in monitor for training.
We also used a few Row Perfects (RP3) at the boathouse . The RP3 uses a dynamic slide, that means your seat and feet both slide independently replicating that part of rowing on water. Concept 2 also makes a dynamic erg. Dynamic ergs are also said to be easier on your back. For more detailed , easier to read rowing feedback than the C2 monitor provides, RP3 has an app that can be downloaded to a smart pad and attached to the machine. I use an RP3 at home now.
Water rower for me. I bought it tested ago when it was less popular and didn't cost arm and leg because of covid. It was still pretty expensive compared to other equipment though. The relaxing effect is gold. It makes you want to use it. And on the plus side I can prop it by the wall and instead of havong a big bulky piece of equipment I get complements from visitors who say it looks beautiful. If I was a competitive rower then the c2 is the way to go, but for others who can afford any water rower - go for it.
Same I have a cheap rower is a water but still does the trick
Water Rower with SmartRow pulley for accurate measurement of force, stroke length and strokes per minute. low noise was the key factor.
I love the SmartRow force graph connectivity, and of course the splishy splishy sound, the lack of chain, and the fact that I can tip it up against the wall when I need the guest room for actual guests.
I’ve had a concept 2 before I sold it with no regrets to a guy who paid $900 all quarters. What I didn’t like is the metallic chain sound, dust build up on the fan and the steel rails and the large size and weight. I also tried the Teeter rower which is a gimmick and returned it in a week. I now have a 121 dollar hydraulic rower by Sunny Fitness and couldn’t be happier with the dual handles and small form factor. Only thing is the hydraulic gets hot after 300 strokes and the occasional squeaks which you need to spray wd40.
Fan of your channel! New to rowing, love your instruction.
One consideration you didn't mention, which was needed in my case, storage or movability. Price, of course, but I went with manual magnetic due to neighbors (living a condominium). I also needed easy moveability for the equipment (store upright behind door of a room).
As a beginner, my decision was based on
1. price
2. sound
3. maintenance
4. easy moveabilty
I have both a water rower and an air rower. My favorite is the air rower for the consistency as well as the electronics. The water rower is very therapeutic and I enjoy that a couple days of the week.
Honestly, as with many pursuits, it's probably better to focus less on the machine, and more on yourself. That's why your channel is so valuable. The techniques we use can apply to any piece of hardware.
I do have a water rower (lit method's rower) which does actually have 4 different resistance settings. Flipping a switch causes water to drain in or away from the chamber that has the wheel, and the difference is noticeable.
I bought a Merax water rower. I then researched the company and was negatively impressed. Fortunately I only paid $20.00 for the machine (lovely blue tank). I'm 80 yo and have shoulder and knee issues. I figure that as i adapt to this machine i will be able to asses the rowing protocall to my physical issues. Hopefully I will adapt and will be able to purchase the C2 rower because of its universality, available parts and supportive culture. I will be looking for a used rower, late model and good condition. I enjoy your videos
What I really like (other than my Model C) is that you just left space for all of us to find the best rower for each of us. That's really cool. Having never rowed on water I love watching the Olympic rowers do their thing. The 2012 Olympics in London where the two British ladies won was inspiring. Thanks for continuing to develop as a coach for all of us.
I use a water rowing machine as a complement exercise after work out. Indeed, it produces a relaxing sense.
Yes it does!
Great video! Your analysis confirmed my choice of rower. I bought a water rower because I wanted a meditative experience while listening to the sloshing of the water with ever stroke. Its also aesthetically pleasing to look at in my gym and it was a space saver, since it leans against the wall. The most important factor was noise. I can row and not wake anyone up.
Which water rower do you have, please?
Just bought a C2. The stroke FEELS perfect and the computer captures so many metrics and posts to Strava, Garmin and the C2 Logbook which I find tobe a great plus for tracking my progress. Also there is such a wide community that uses this machine that it has its own users forum and lastly it's it's easily portable and I can break it down and put it in my car and do a workout in the park or at any other location. Hope that helps
Amazing video. I own several rowers and the most important aspect: one does not fit everyone. For home use I prefer my vertical mounted water tank rower from FDF for the amazing water feeling, but also love the German Augletics Eight for its most advanced concept and the AI-based integrated trainer that comes without any subscription.
first time when I tried rowing machine it was water rower and after few minutes I fell in love with it... then internet and other people suggested that air rower is better and cheaper... I tried that but didn't enjoyed as much as water rower... but enjoyment was not the only factor it was also effectiveness... I felt much more active after rowing in water rower... i tried cheap mid range and expensive air rower but I wasn't just doing it for me... I don't know may be I was doing it wrong or it was something else..... I felt the resistance of water rower was much more effective for me than the air rower.... I know its gone require some maintenance still I am going with AFTON Xterra ERG 600W Water Rower
I just purchased a water rower and will be opening the package today. The reason for my choice of a water rower vs others is because of all the pros that you mentioned. I am excited to set it up and start using it. Thank you for your great videos. They help tremendously
I know this is an older post but wanted to say I enjoy your content. I just picked up a used Ergatta and did my beginner session using the coach ai to check my form. I picked it for its sound, looks, and ease of storing it upright. We don't have a big house, no basements in Florida so I needed something nice enough to keep in my living room and quiet enough to not bother everyone in our open-concept house. I was torn because of not being able to adjust the resistance but in the end, it checked the most boxes of what I needed. My kids have already made their profiles and are engaged with the gaming format. I plan to follow your advice from a previous video and focus on my form before trying to go all out. I'm 44 and already have back and knee issues- I'm looking to enhance my health and mobility long-term so I'm looking at this as a slow and steady process vs. killing myself to reach some aesthetic goal.
I’m not super rich but the Hydrow was my option. It runs great and has software uploads. I love the programs to keep me motivated.
In my rowing club we still use Concept2 ergs that were bought when I have not been born!! Those things last for ever!!
I am really considering one of the combo Water/Magnetic rowers off Amazon. I am not trying to become a professional rower, I just want to get back in shape. I figure the flexability of the magnet will both allow my wife and I to use it at different levels, and use the bluetooth to do workouts where they change the resistance for me on the fly. Price is a huge factor, i know most of the youtubers say to just get a concept or one of the new 1k+ machines with a huge subscription tag each month but that just isnt in the budget for a lot of folks...I appreciate your presentation of the information without judgment or bias. Here is hoping that I make the right choice! the combo unit seems like the best of both worlds since its just a water rower if you unplug it, but with some added resistance options. Thanks again!
My 2 cents having used all these machines for 25+ years....go with a WaterRower or FluidRower if you are new to rowing and accommodating your wife who also may be new. It will feel better and provide ample exercise. Go with a Concept2 air resistance if you want to have varying resistance. Avoid magnetic rowers unless you buy a high end Hydrow where the resistance is well managed via computer. Cheap Amazon magnetic rowers offer unnatural rowing and can promote injury for lack of smooth acceleration through the pull.
i have the concept 2 in my home and the waterrower in my apt in another city. I bought it due to the low sound level . The concept 2 is the superior machine by far. Computer is much more advanced with excellenct BT and apps and the rowing motion is smoother. It's cheaper and built like a tank.
The water rower is asthetically pleasing and quiet but the monitor is so out dated, has no built in blue tooth, the font on the display is so small that at my age I can't see the alphabetical display from the rowing position. The motion is also a little herky jerky compared to the concept 2.
I know you created this video years ago, but I found it super helpful. Thank you.
I went with my concept 2 rower because of both previous experience at a gym I used to train at and the reliability of that machine. I love rowing workouts and even use it as a warm-up on strength training days.
I just purchased a new powertrain air rower for a nice price. Obviously it's not a Concept but it is built like a tank and weighs 81lbs. I'm 59 years old in September and I have done more running than I care to think about. I'm looking forward to being on this Air Rower three days a week, as I lift the other three days. The secret to success is just keep moving, and being blessed by God not to have a catastrophe happen!
I still haven't decided what to get. Very tempted by the Hydrow, but put off by how closed their ecosystem is. I've been starting to lean toward a Concept2 despite the noise, but hearing in your video about having to clean out the dust is SUPER useful! I live in a very dusty area, probably aggravated by how much I like to keep my windows open. Still considering the Concept2, but keeping it clean enough might end up being a nightmare for me.
It's not harder than to clean a bike chain
My personal opinion is the Concept2 is the gold standard for rowing machines. If you can afford it, go for it! 😉
As to affording it, it is right in the middle of the pack, price wise. It astonishes me anyone would pay more money than a Concept 2 when you can just buy the Concept 2.
JLL Ventus 3 is air and electro magnetic and looks better, 2023 model
@neilj8224easier than to clean a bike
I recently bought a used R300 c2 "clone"...what a great machine. It doesn't have the metrics as the c2 but just as equal in performance. Its also surprisingly quiet.
Nice informative review, thanks. I'm new to rowing machines and it would appear to me that the magnetic (not emr) is the most practical all around, not to mention decent pricing/value ratio. Cheers!
I found a water rower series 4 without a seat in a junk store for $20. Yep $20. Ordered a seat and now I’m learning how to row. Can’t figure out the monitor thing but I’ll eventually get there.
I am about to buy a Concept 2 model D rower for Christmas this year.
Air rower - absolutely love our Concept 2. Have used these at our pre-Covid gyms in US and in UK. Covid hit, so we bout one for our home. Fantastic build, durable and consistently good. Very pleased with how well and consistent it performs.
I had a waterower for years and display went and seal started leaking. Instead of repairing i bought a new Rogue Echo rower. Man, i like them both for different reasons. Sometimes i miss the Waterower for the experience as you addressed but the new Rogue is a beast and im more driven on it than the Waterower.
Up here in Maine real rowing is taking your dingy out to where your boat is tied or anchored. But since I don't have a boat or a dingy and I'm a few miles from the coast, I'm shopping for a rowing machine.
First Degreee Fitness FluidRowers offer patented twin tank adjustable resistance - you have the sight sound and feel of on the water rowing Leading air rower offers 15% change in resistance, FluidRower offers up to 120% change in resistance.
Tried them all at a gym decided on the Concept 2. It’s been great for me.
Have been using a magnetic rower (manual) 2 times a week since March 2020. Only issues I have encountered is lubrication of seat rollers and battery replacement on the computer. I have also done a "hack" to fix the pedals since they swiveled.
What was the hack? I have a MERACH magnetic & am trying to figure out if I really want the pedals to move….thinking not
I’ll be buying a Concept 2 for the gym in my second home because I use one at my regular gym and I’m used to it. Also, I’m partial to things that don’t plug in and don’t tear up.
I enjoy my Fitness Reality 3000WR. Love the water resistance, solid build, very reasonable price.
I am by no means wealthy, but I decided to invest in the Hydrow, for myself and my family. They say the best machine is the one you are going to use. I know myself, I know I can’t stick to any sort of gym environment, yet I truly need classes to keep motivated. I needed to minimize the outside effort so I could stick to a fitness plan. The Hydrow is easy to set up and easy to start, the classes are fun and engaging, and it’s all just hop on and go. It’s exactly what works for me, I never put it away, and I actually look forward to my workouts now! When I have the time and dedication I can cast DH onto my tv as well, so win win.
Face it. At about $900, the Concept 2 blows everything else away. Fabulous computer, simple mechanics, probably won't break before you die. And it's the one everyone practices on and races on. No matter how many bells and whistles you add, you have to do the work, which is a beast but man, what a rush after you're done.
Have been on a waiting list for Concept 2 for one year as I write this. The model D is supposedly finally available again now, so things are improving as far as it even being an option, but I went with another machine last fall and love it. Sure, the computer is less advanced than on the Concept 2 but it still has everything I need, and everything else is an improvement imo (the seat is slightly more comfortable, the hand grip is superior, and the actual fan is way better too). So there are options worth looking into. Jan.
@@janmaaso I ordered one last Thursday and it’s coming this Wednesday. Is it not available in your specific country?
@@null3911 Correct. Will be in stock later this month. There has been a waiting list (world wide) since last summer, were you not even aware of this? Jan.
:'( cries in German. Concept 2 is 1200€ around here, that's 1400$
@@frohlic Prices went up by $200 when they were back in stock again - according to Concept2 due to an "upgrade" (I personally believe manufacturing was simply moved to a country they could get their goods out of, i.e. to China?). And p.s. - even the old model E is back in stock and for sale now, that is the one I would go for myself. Great machines! Jan.
Amazing video, I came here with no clue about rowers and now have a good understanding of what to look for.
JLL Ventus 3 looks like a good rowing machine Air + Electro magnetic so best of 2 resistances put together.
The Concept 2 has a competitive community that spans the world and includes all age groups.
I see c2's everywhere, they get high praise. So, that's what I ordered. Can't wait till it arrives! Be a great pairing with weights
I bought a magnetic rower. I started using it and had totally kicked my backside. The resistance if very strong on it. The first time i used it i couldnt move for three days. I had used muscles i didnt know i have.
Thanks for this. If I could, I'd get a electro magnetic. I don't want to deal with maintenance issues (the problem with air rowers). Water rower seem complicated (you've got to clean the water). And hydraulic rowers seem unnatural. The only problem is the price and the space. Very tempting to get a magnetic rower. I'll just have to try it out at the gym and then decide. Thanks so much!
With a background in sports science and clinical exercise science, plus sports coaching and rehab experience, my criteria were a comfy, free-moving seat (hamstring friendly!), comprehensive metrics on a clear display, ability to monitor drag factor and adjust as required for consistency, and a good feel in the first half of the stroke. I don't need any of the consumer immersive stuff or fancy looks, but I do need robustness and reliability. It meant my shortlist was either a Concept 2 or an RP3. If I was still living close to water and planning to get back on it, it would have been the RP3. But I'm up in the hills and far from the nearest club and water so the RP3 would have been an indulgence. So, it's a Concept 2. Oh, and I love the noise - gratifying and instant feedback!
I dedicated these past weeks testing rowing machines for home use. In one shop I tested a C2 and a magnetic air rower back-to-back. Even though there was considerable resistance on the magnetic I felt strongly that there was something missing. I had to return home and mentally replay my comparison experience to realize that noise was the element missing from the magnetic. The noise on the air rower gave an instant metric of how hard or intense my brief workout was, whereas the magnetic was a mute, flat-line, monotonous companion, albeit a strong one.
Thank you for a thorough trade-off analysis. Dunno if you're still tracking the comments. What do you think of hybrids like electromagnetic and air? Appreciate your thoughts.
Concept 2. Great machine.
I'm looking at getting the Teeter or the Reality more concerned with getting a little weight training in but no one posts resistance levels on anything.
They go
"Resistance, yeah; uh um it's got five levels"
Which doesn't help me if it's all in cardio or aerobic range.
Like that the Teeter is elliptical, can reverse and still have resistance, and you can prorate whether your putting out power through shoulders, chest, quads, or hammys.
The Reality seems like it may have independent clutches for each handle, now while it's not as cool and being able to reverse being able to truly unilateral on it would be a nice feature. But I can't actually confirm whether this is even true or not.
Anyway thanks and take care.
s it better to buy the concept 2 rower or the concept 2 rower with sliders.. is it better to workout on just the rower or rower on sliders???? thanks
That is a lot to think about. But it is easy to simplify it all. Just get a Concept 2.
No? For some people, the noise alone is not viable for their situation. Price can also be prohibitive depending on your budget. The point of the video, which was well-handled, is that there actually isn't one best solution for everyone.
@@strategicsage7694 I have trouble with the price issue. Most half way decent alternatives to Concept 2 cost more. In most cases, quite a bit more. The only models I can thing of that are decent and cheaper are some of the less expensive water rowers.
I use skierg 1 day and airbike 2 day and so on.. great workout!
There is only one king 👑 of the hill. I know it, Shane knows it, you know it. It’s the Concept 2. Now let’s go smash some PB’s!!
Haha, shhhhhh it's a secret.
shame it's so freaking loud!!!
I don't own it but it appears the R300 is one heck of an air rower. The monitor also appears to be top notch not having to push button to get different statistics.
@@paulthorade6977 😆😆😆 it’s nearly an exact copy of the Concept 2 model D. It’s basically a copy and they are asking for the same amount of money. How they aren’t being sued by Concept 2 I will never know. Buy the original 🇺🇸 and buy the best. Concept 2 Model D.
@@ebbarusic8104 and as you train and get stronger the louder you can make it go 🙂🙂. I enjoy the woooooosh 🥰
Electric mag with air resistance is the way to go 💪🏼 It's seriously challenging and the resistance is significantly greater than air only machines like the Concept2. I use the rower for building muscle and I really don't think air resistance machines cut it for that purpose.
What’s the name of your rower?
What brand and model you have?
JLL Ventus 3 is air + electro magnetic, looks amazing. Thinking of buying it
I have a Nordic track rw500. No idea what kind of resistance it has. Searched the entire manual: no mention. But regardless, it works great for me.
found a barely used water rower on marketplace for $150, couldnt pass it up. I never used any other rower before this so i cant compare, but I have no desire to try anything else, i really like the water rower for all the reasons you listed as pros. my main concern was that it didnt have adjustable resistance, but so far ive been surprised how difficult it gets when you push yourself on it. I dont care about the apps and stuff to compare to other people, ive tried things like that before with strava and to me it takes a lot of enojyment out of the activity because im always looking at the dam app. as long as i can compare myself to myself thats all i need.
What r your thoughts on a combination Air & Magnetic, Arc102 , Dmaster R3ooo , both sold at Fitness Depot in Canada . Thanks for any input !
The length of Concept 2 is 96" that was the limiting factor. Low ceilings in my cellar and limited space.
Searched high and low for this answer with no luck so I'm coming to the pros, how do the fitness monitors compare between rower brands? Will the 2k time on a stamina or proform etc, compare to a concept 2 time for the same person? Will they be even close?
The concept 2 would be my choice, but space limitation is the issue. My water rower I can simply stand up and then use the room. C2 is too long and not easily moved out of the way.
For others reading, the C2 breaks down in half in about 10 seconds and you can then either hang it on the wall, or stand it on its end.
Any suggestions for a magnetic or SUPER quiet rower that has long reach like that of the Concept 2 (and what seems most air rowers)? not interested at all in the maintenance of water.
Recommendations for a water rower? I am looking for something long term, not necessarily tech heavy. Definitely don't want a subscription required device.
I felt the resistance of water rower was much more effective for me than the air rower....maybe I was doing it wrong, I don't know....still I am going with AFTON Xterra ERG 600W Water Rower
Concept2 all the way!
New sub here. I just found your channel after searching for rowing machine info. I think i will get the manual magnetic for the low noise and space and of course price. Decathlon offers a cheaper ones. I just want to build strength and a bit of muscles, a bit difficult for thin woman. I gained 1kg of muscles in 6months with some resistance, run, cycling and swim..now i want to try rowing, sounds interesting
Concept 2 all the way!
I am pushing 70 yo and need to build strength after long term illness. I want fairly quiet and inexpensive. What kind do I want? Thanks
Wow, interesting, hardly any comments about hydraulic rowers.
As far as water rowers go, the LIT strength rower IS adjustable!
Thank you for the explanation. It is highly doubtful that air resistance will be any different at (human breathable) altitude. I live at 2,000m and there is no difference, so I think that your suggestion about altitude difference is more about searching for an extra "con" rather than anything else. Any difference would be negligible and humidity is likely a more important factor than air gas density at the altitudes humans live.
Thanks. I am totally blind and new to rowing machines. What would you recommend since a monitor wo’t be of any benefit to me? If there is an app for my iPhone or iPad, I could use the voice-over feature to read what is on a screen though. From this video, it sounds like the manual magnetic resistance machine would be best for me. Maybe the air resistance, but maybe not due to the cleaning maintenance. What do you think?
There are mobile apps for the Concept2 Erg. Hope you found something that works for you.
Despite the many comments saying that you can't vary the resistance with a water rower, this isn't correct - you simply vary the amount of water in the tank. More water = more resistance, less water = less resistance. Far from as easy or quick as a 'dial' on magnetic / hydraulic, etc, but it's perfectly simple regardless of the orientation of the tank.
First Degreee Fitness FluidRowers offer patented twin tank adjustable resistance - you have the sight sound and feel of on the water rowing Leading air rower offers 15% change in resistance, FluidRower offers up to 120% change in resistance.
@@charlesadams8541 Is this adjustable on the fly like magnetic resistance or is this something else?
Have you ridden an Octane Ro rower? I'd like to see you review that machine please.
Water is the way. I own one and it's amazing
I just want to know which category is the Concept 2 fall into. Obviously, it magnetic but is it also air? Lookin at similar ones like the Endurance R300.
Nice break-down video explaining whats what.
C2 is air resistance. Not magnetic.
Magnetic, got a used one for cheap $120 to start. Wanna upgrade to water when I get more regular and can afford it.
This was an outstanding video, thanks!
Have you done a review of the C2 Dynamic rower?
Hi ! thanks for the info. i bought a spirit air machine i'm new at it I 'm looking forward to train with it i'm starting 20 min beginner
So a lot of reviews say a magnetic rower doesn’t “feel” the same but am I still getting the same workout? I’m just looking for an affordable rower for my house on days I don’t feel like going to the gym. Will I still be getting just as good a workout? I don’t actually row on the water just enjoy the workout.
magnetic is perfect for you. i aint jumping in a boat any time soon so dont need the rowing experience.. like he said rowing machines have been used to get ppl fit for decades, tech has advanced but ppl are the same..
No the workouts will not be the same. Your work effort (exercise) is a function of the force (resistance) the machine is generating against you over the time you use it. Magnetic rowers offer constant or fixed resistance while fluid (air & water) rowers create varying resistance as a result of fluid dynamics. As such, the force curves for both will look different, and as a result, the work you put in will differ significantly between the two. Physically fluid rowers are easier on the body and can offer greater variability in work loads.
Update: I ended up with a genuine waterrower A1
@@Brianwearsglasses Great choice! I prefer the smooth flow of the water. Enjoy!
Helpful video. But OMG you have fabulous teeth! I’m envious (ina good way lol).
Ha ha Shane, those hand gestures mean something entirely different for your UK viewers! Love ya though.
Ruh roh
For beginners it would have been helpful if you had shown at least one photo of each kind of machine.
Is a good exercise choice.
Hey DH Rowing, thanks for yr informative videos. I recently bought a Water Rower, over all others - mainly for the natural sound and feel, plus I like the aesthetics of the wood (ash). I have yet to work out how much water I need for the resistance required. I want to slim down - after a back injury/weight gain. Any advice? Ttfn
Awesome video. Great info.
Concept 2 for me, I be been using it 7 years ,love the mascine,😍
there are hydraulics which slide
AND better simulate sculling than
most air water etc machines
Thanks for the info! Ive been using a Concept 2 at the gym and im looking for a machine for home thats a little less expensive. Can you recommend something? Thanks again!!
if you're in the US, I'd check fb marketplace for a used C2, preferably one from a home vs a gym (the latter sometime are more ragged out). I've watched a ton of vids and c2 is actually the lowest priced of the really well-performing rowers. Costco sometimes sells a magnetic type rower, but I didn't like the feel as much, it seemed like withe each pull I could feel it go from like no resistance for a split second, then the magnet would kick in. But on the better ones, the resistance feel more similar to a gradual increase.
I just got a hydraulic machine. Don't care about water. It's the excirse. Don't need computers or water. It is great and I didn't spend a shit ton of money. Easy decision for me
Great video thank you. I understand that water-based machines don’t offer much variability (other than row harder - as you say) but I guess the same is true for boats on water? So, why is the ability to vary resistance so important? Thank you.
I think the easily adjusted resistance makes it a snap for a world class athlete and a new rower to get gains from the same machine.
First Degreee Fitness FluidRowers offer patented twin tank adjustable resistance - you have the sight sound and feel of on the water rowing Leading air rower offers 15% change in resistance, FluidRower offers up to 120% change in resistance.
Water is mine due to close by neighbour
the biggest difference
is in the ERGONOMICS
of the machine whatever
the resistance... plenty
of air machines are made
by non-rowers unlike at C2
where the rail angle and foot
spacing and reach are all more
designed on good/real rowing
Anyone have experience with the Echelon rowers?
why do rowers fail to say TURBINE
when thats the main resistance interface
whether water or air... the flywheel is just
an additional part of the turbine
Tks
Just dropping in to compliment your hands and pecs. Lol 😄