Yes, but the only physical priority moves (since flutter mane is super fast) are sucker punch (pretty unreliable), shadow sneak (can't touch normal types) and bullet punch (only scizor uses it)
@@yumnykiddd1312 toedscruels ability hurts so much. getting a detrimental ability is usually for pokemon that have good stats but for toedscruel its just to nerf its 1 op move. feel like it would be better without spore if it could atleast have a decent ability
@@limerumpus3589 not just better but the best. It would have been the fastest spore user with a lot of decent utilities like knock off, rapid spin, spikes, toxic spikes, screens, leech seed, etc. God.!!! We were robbed of an OU status mon. Even gholdengo would fear an earth power or knock off from it.
this is the generation with flutter mane, palafin, iron bundle, espathra, and annihilape, and brute bonnet is the one that gets specifically designed to not upset the meta
While also continuing to nerf Regigigas, even when Zacian in its debut generation had a higher Attack+Speed Stat, one of the best typings in the game (while Gigas is pure Normal), and not only a beneficial Ability but an amazing ability... (And before someone says its for inspiration reasons, why would the Doggo with a Stick in its mouth stronger than God Himself?)
A quirk of this is that Intimidate applies before Booster Energy, and that when picking a stat to boost Protosynthesis does consider stat stage drops. Thus, if your opponent procs Intimidate vs Brute Bonnet, it can get a Speed boost for fast Spores.
@@Chrjstheshadow you don't need to nerf your bonnet too hard to get a speed boost after intimidate, if you go max speed jolly you only need to drop the attack evs to 220 to have exactly 1 point of speed higher after an intimidate at level 50. Assuming I did the calc right since dmg calc doesn't show numbers for -1
@Brent Valliere miraidon and koraidon Zacian Mega ray Primals Shadow tag Tapus The new Tapus (mainly ting-lu) There are plenty of unbalanced pokemon on VGC, it's not just a singles issue
@Kronalord that's my point... Are you stupid? Literally my point was that sometimes Pokemon doesn't care about balance. There are plenty of examples of broken things being in VGC and in singles format. They have things such as the examples I've listed and more. Gamefreak could have easily made the pokemon less broken, but they chose not to. They could have easily made zacian more like zamazenta but chose not to cause they don't care. They could have easily made the abilities balanced but chose not to. Like zacian now only has 1 activation of its ability for the whole match. That could have been its original ability. Box legendaries can be good pokemon but also balanced. Gamefreak chooses not to do that
@@Repetoire Sleep is just a broken and dumb debuff purely because of how Pokemon is designed. The number of monster collectors out there with just as strong or even stronger debuffs is very large. They just make getting rid of the debuffs a skill issue while with Pokemon, getting around Sleep is a coin flip.
They did the same thing with buzzwole kinda, with its attack and defense stat at 139 and speed at 79, if you maxed out speed and lowered both attack and defense as much as possible, one of them will always be higher by 1 point due to Nature's only being able to negatively affect 1 stat, this was probably done so it wouldn't have the combination of speed beast boost and fell stinger
I think they also did the same thing to Toedscruel. It has Base 100 speed and access to spore but if it uses spore it always goes last because of its ability.😳 Granted it’s the only Pokémon that can spore Garganacl and Gholdengo but still 🤯
There's at least one, probably multiple ways to get rid of Toedscruel's ability to trade off the ability to put Gargy and Gholdengo to sleep for speed spores
Something else funny is when stats tie, the boosted stat follows the descending order of stats, meaning even if it had 126 attack instead it would still get an attack boost over a speed boost with Booster Energy.
Game freak taking into account negative attack nature 0 IV/EV example is crazy to me. Game freak typically doesn't pay attention to these sort of stuff.
@@lkjkhfggd Rest Sleep Talk, like back in Gen 2 if sleep really becomes a problem this strategy will pop up again. There's also a few stat curing berries as well.
The fact they balanced certain mon but kept almost everything else broken, proves even more how unfinished Scarlet/Violet is. Had they given themselves the time to actually balance out the game, improve framerate, fixed bugs, etc. Gen 9 could've been so much better instead of the current mess it is. (not saying the new games aren't fun, but it could've been much better)
Amoongus puts in wayyy more work overall, otherwise breloom probably would get looked at. The fact that amoongus hard counters breloom doesn’t help either. Also, brute bonnet with booster energy +speed would wind up outspeeding base 105s, 70 is quite slow in comparison
If it makes you feel better, Breloom is pretty good in early restricted formats and ones without Amoonguss because of its neat offensive toolkit to complement Spore
There's only one way I can think of that'll trigger Protosynthesis speed with booster energy. That being Brute Bonnet being sent into Magic Room with one of it's teammates lowering it's stats (excluding speed) before it runs out. That being said, at that point, you should just use Breloom lol
actually, intimmidate can still trigger protosynth speed for brute bonnet. i've tried it- by dropping the ATK, speed is the higher number, so booster energy activates it instead. pretty sick tech but very very niche
That’s 3 moves across at least two turns where a lot can go wrong, which balances it Turn 1 BB trailblazes, hoping it doesn’t get KO’d Turn 2 you either Sunny Day or switch to Torkal, and only THEN you can spore. At that point, it’s slightly less practical and much less reliable than trick room amoongus If it could just use Booster Energy, it could get a speed stat of 175 turn 1, immediately threatening the whole field.
Bruh what's up with dog trailblaze setpost lately. First rillaboom, then hisuian decidueye, and now this. And speed is getting lower everytime lmaooooo
Most paradox pokemon have strange, seemingly specific stats. All the past pokemon have all an odd number for each base stat and all future pokemon have an even number.
Bc the past pokemon are wild and a little unorganized, like a odd number, while the future ones are robotic and planned specifically, meaning they would get even spreads to their abilities
it should be said that under certain circumstances, when a pokemon's highest stat is lowered, ie: lowered atk or sp atk, the next highest stat will be boosted by protosythisis. so you could potentially partingshot your own brutebonnet to instead boost it's speed stat. just something to hink about
the boost of energy booster if active from the very moment you send it so even with that property you couldn't boost his speed, but there is other ways like trailblaze to make your favorite mushroom faster.
Breloom with base 70 speed at max 265: "Hi!" -also has mach punch, swords dance and now has access to tera ghost to block extreme speed, quick attack, fake out and mach punch. For that matter, Brute Bonnet gets sucker punch and trail blaze
It's actually two points short, because if its Speed was the same as its Attack, Protosynthesis would still boost Attack. If a Pokemon has multiple best stats, the game prioritizes them in the order of Attack, then Defense, then Sp.Atk, then Sp.Def, and lastly Speed. Giving Brute Bonnet 125 Base Attack would be more frustrating because of this, it ties with its Speed at bare minimum Attack and funnily enough this still holds at Level 100 so you wouldn't be able to pull off fast Spore even on Smogon metas.
Buzzwole is the same way. If you run minimum attack and defense and maximum speed, you need a negative nature and can only get one of either attack or defense below its speed
I swear, gamefreak has 1 unique person create 1 pokemon each, and sometimes we get this, sometimes they just asked the local hobo and he said "All in on attack and speed"
I literally found out this pokemon exists yesterday from the book in the school library in Scarlet and was excited to see it in the wild, and then I get it spoiled right in my face the next day 😭
I think what most people in the comments are missing is the luck aspect. Yes there are other broken mons but spores is a completely luck based move. Luck for it to hit, then luck for the sleep duration. Other mons are outright more broken but less luck based. Neither are healthy but usually avoiding too many luck based mechanics is preferable.
@@GravityIsFalling Have we been playing the same game. I'm a Chi yu stan and like it more than it's counterparts. But that thing was Busted with it's ability. There's a reason that thing is in Ubers with Fluttermane. Even resisting it's Fire Attacks with good Tank Stats to back it up doesn't garuntee you can deal with it. That thing is a menace and just like the other mentioned was shaping the Meta entirely around it not many mons can do it. Very few could battle against it and even less could switch into it. One wrong mistep against Chi yu basically means you have lost the game
@@GravityIsFalling And... Chi Yu can be a menace in Doubles as well. Even if both mons target it that just leaves room for it's partner to go Banana's Chi Yu doesn't have Bad Bulk is Fast and Hit's like a Freight-train even against Resists. Sure it doesn't have good moves to hit both mons at the same time but that strategy is honestly overrated. And when paired with the right partner basically can net you two kills for free. Even in a 6v6 that's at least a third of your team gone before you can react. Most people won't be expecting it and even if you predict it and have a decent counter that doesn't mean your getting off much easier. Unless you Double Protect turn one but that's a waste and how many mons run a set like that. If you attack both at the same time from turn one since VGC is so focused on Status, Support, and setting things up for later. You can just throw a wrench in their plans from turn 1 instead of playing to the other persons shenanigans. This is why VGC is so stagnant no one is willing to go against the meta and grain. Yet my meme mons back from Gen 4 to 5 got me invited to invitationals when I was younger didn't even understand EV's, IV's, Good Sets, Etc. I find if your smart and play against the Meta instead of with it your more overall likely to find success unless you constantly make bad plays. Instead of running the same cookie cutter teams everyone makes i just run whatever beats out the current threats. And that hasn't steered me wrong as mentioned by the previous accomplishment as I have had a consistent high elo in both singles and doubles on multiple tiers on Showdown.
There is a way to get it to boost Speed. If a Booster Energy user, let's say Iron Hands, was sent out at the same time as an Intimidate user, the Atk stat will be lowered first, and then Booster Energy will then boost the next biggest stat, which will then be Defense. So if you lead the min Atk max Spe Brute Bonnet and the opponent leads with something like Arcanine, you will get the Speed boost.
Then there's Breloom, which can very quickly spore, substitute and tera electric to turn its 4x weakness into a resistance. Then it has the option to run leech seed + leftovers or mach punch + bullet seed with access to technician and loaded dice.
But they know that you can doodle grafaiai next to toedscruel. Pretty sure they’re found in the same area too so we do get a lil “wink wink, nudge nudge” still
yeah but breloom is actually less powerfull than this thing (at least in the 6v6) because that shroom can trailblaze thus become fast af and spore everything. In Anything goes when there is no sleep clause this is a monster.
Breloom is never used over Amoongus, it’s not tanky enough and 70 base speed isn’t enough to compensate for its lack of bulk, it just gets one shot before it can move. It doesn’t even get Trailblaze to boost its speed it’s horrid
On my first time playing pokemon white, team was galvantula, Carroscotta, emboar, krookodile, swoobat, and ovc Amoongus, comments on amoongus, can take super effective moves with over half, spore and solar beam combo was scary, plus synthesis, he was unstoppable
I believe protosynthesis is based on stat changes so if bonnets attack were lowered or speed were raised then trigger protosynthesis you could get a speed boost. I believe this because of an ubers game i had where my speed proto walking wake came in on stickywebs so protosynthesis boosted spa over speed. Unless showdown has it wrong which has happened in the past may be worth testing
Just use Trailblaze. I use Booster Energy Attack + Max Speed Trailblaze with Crunch and CC as the last 2 moves. Trailblaze hits deceptively hard, especially since you can boost against a sleeping opponent for multiple turns. And the other moves provide perfect coverage so that you can win, or at least cripple, every 1v1. Singles Battle Spot btw
@@andresmunoz6356 I know I know, but Brutes got the bulk to survive a hit, put them out of commission, then boost it's speed multiple times. Then just sleep and slam everything. It's a surprisingly fun strat
Very luck reliant, as all thing should be expected for bss. For real though that work just there because everyone can spam Spore with no consequences lol. But No hate, if you find success there use it
@@Gspoink I wouldn't say it's luck reliant, aside from sleep turns being a cruel mistress, but it is very matchup reliant, since it can thud vs opposing Grasses and Flyers especially, but that's why it pairs so amazingly with hazard support and/or Iron Moth. The duo are surprisingly potent. Even if Bonnet itself is walled/threatened, it can still leave an opponent asleep for easy setup/attacks from the Fire type. I was initially disappointed by how little use Trailblaze actually has outside of gimmicky Tera abuse, but Bonnet using it for 1st turn sleeping is amazing. At +2 with 180 Speed Jolly, you actually outrun Dragapult by one point, allowing for a good amount of HP and Attack to make the setup just that much more reliable
Ah yes, I (Gamefreak) will balance this Pokémon around one move that I could choose not to give it and thereby shaft it right up the urethra with a flaming hot poker instead of making it a more offensively inclined Pokémon with differently distributed stats without that move, crippling its viability to erase a mistake I could have not made in the first place.
Booster Energy can trigger Speed on Brute Bonnet if the following conditions are met: 1) Brute Bonnet has 252 SPE EVs and 0 ATK EVs. 2) Brute Bonnet enters the field while Sun is up. 3) Brute Bonnet's attack is lowered by 1 stage, OR it's speed is increased by 1 stage. 4) Sun goes down while Brute Bonnet is still on the field. Booster energy will trigger, boosting speed since it is now it's highest stat.
wait i'm now just curious what happens when you have the mon's highest stats be both exactly the same number, how does the ability work? does it randomly pick between the 2 or does it have a favored stat?
Then gamefreak turned around and sighed with all that thought and effort and created flutter mane and miriadon
Well mane has shit physical bulk to balance it
And we’ll have to see with miraidon when it becomes legal
@@GravityIsFalling miraidon is basically zacian 2 electric boogaloo
Yes, but the only physical priority moves (since flutter mane is super fast) are sucker punch (pretty unreliable), shadow sneak (can't touch normal types) and bullet punch (only scizor uses it)
@@mewhenyourmom1964 one jet punch and flutter mane die
@@wahabadi5262 The two most used pokemon in Ubers right now resist jet punch
Brute Bonnet got targeted by Gamefreak 😭
Right? Like, I don't even play Pokémon anymore and I'm still pissed that they kept something so hilariously broken out of the game
The new Toedscruel has an ability specifically designed to make it move slower than the enemy
@@yumnykiddd1312 toedscruels ability hurts so much. getting a detrimental ability is usually for pokemon that have good stats but for toedscruel its just to nerf its 1 op move. feel like it would be better without spore if it could atleast have a decent ability
@@limerumpus3589
not just better but the best. It would have been the fastest spore user with a lot of decent utilities like knock off, rapid spin, spikes, toxic spikes, screens, leech seed, etc.
God.!!!
We were robbed of an OU status mon. Even gholdengo would fear an earth power or knock off from it.
this is the generation with flutter mane, palafin, iron bundle, espathra, and annihilape, and brute bonnet is the one that gets specifically designed to not upset the meta
Gamefreak: "My work here is done."
*Continue to create Chi Yu and Flutter Mane*
Creates Iron Bundle and Miraidon.
@@FoxxPlushie "but they only shat in our mouths 4 times instead of 5 times, its progress!"
Thats how you sound.
Paladin and anillape
Kung-Pao
While also continuing to nerf Regigigas, even when Zacian in its debut generation had a higher Attack+Speed Stat, one of the best typings in the game (while Gigas is pure Normal), and not only a beneficial Ability but an amazing ability... (And before someone says its for inspiration reasons, why would the Doggo with a Stick in its mouth stronger than God Himself?)
A quirk of this is that Intimidate applies before Booster Energy, and that when picking a stat to boost Protosynthesis does consider stat stage drops. Thus, if your opponent procs Intimidate vs Brute Bonnet, it can get a Speed boost for fast Spores.
If you intentionally nerf your bonnet that much just for the niche chance of the speed boost, you deserve it
@@Chrjstheshadow you don't need to nerf your bonnet too hard to get a speed boost after intimidate, if you go max speed jolly you only need to drop the attack evs to 220 to have exactly 1 point of speed higher after an intimidate at level 50. Assuming I did the calc right since dmg calc doesn't show numbers for -1
Would tablet of ruin work as well? Send out brute bonnet and Wo chien and have wo chien reduce the attack of brute bonnet by 25% to get booster speed
@@Handlingthesenuts. But you cant spore wo chien so who cares
@@theAsi no wo chien and brute bonnet as teammates
This is how you know that gamefreak just doesn't care sometimes.
Balances brute bonnet.
Let's other broken mons exist
Gamefreak: makes sure brute bonett can't trigger speed with protosynthesis
Also Gamefreak: yeah Fluttermane is perfect and completely balanced 👌
Most of the other broken pokemon are only busted in singles. Doubles is the vgc format so that's what they balance it for
@Brent Valliere miraidon and koraidon
Zacian
Mega ray
Primals
Shadow tag
Tapus
The new Tapus (mainly ting-lu)
There are plenty of unbalanced pokemon on VGC, it's not just a singles issue
@@colonelcider8292 main legendaries aren’t meant to be that balanced tho
@Kronalord that's my point...
Are you stupid?
Literally my point was that sometimes Pokemon doesn't care about balance. There are plenty of examples of broken things being in VGC and in singles format.
They have things such as the examples I've listed and more.
Gamefreak could have easily made the pokemon less broken, but they chose not to. They could have easily made zacian more like zamazenta but chose not to cause they don't care.
They could have easily made the abilities balanced but chose not to.
Like zacian now only has 1 activation of its ability for the whole match. That could have been its original ability.
Box legendaries can be good pokemon but also balanced. Gamefreak chooses not to do that
I feel better knowing Toedscruel wasn’t the sole target of Spore balance.
Man Gamefreak really shafting Spore users this gen, first Toedscruel and now Brute
they almost always have
spore is SUPER op to the point many for fun tiers ban it outright
You can never have a fast spore user, it's too powerful. Sleep is strong as it is.
I mean...slow sleep has it's upsides. It guarantees at least one turn of sleep so that you can switch to something faster and then donk your opponent
@@Repetoire Sleep is just a broken and dumb debuff purely because of how Pokemon is designed. The number of monster collectors out there with just as strong or even stronger debuffs is very large. They just make getting rid of the debuffs a skill issue while with Pokemon, getting around Sleep is a coin flip.
Similarly at least they gave Toedscruel's spore the ability to sleep Gholdengo
They did the same thing with buzzwole kinda, with its attack and defense stat at 139 and speed at 79, if you maxed out speed and lowered both attack and defense as much as possible, one of them will always be higher by 1 point due to Nature's only being able to negatively affect 1 stat, this was probably done so it wouldn't have the combination of speed beast boost and fell stinger
I seriously doubt it
That combo isn’t broken in any way
And then they decided to give his wife Pheromosa a million attack and speed lol
So glad for this. One of the things I hated about SwSh VGC was how omnipresent Sleep Powder Venusaur was. Imagine that but if it couldn't miss.
At least this gen we got Gholdengo and Garganacl, which are immune to sleep, and Chi-Yu which can one-shot with Psychic.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Just use fire moves on chi-yu
"Do you want to go fast or do you want to hit hard? Your Arms or your legs, Brute Bonnet? You can only keep one." - GameFreak
I think they also did the same thing to Toedscruel. It has Base 100 speed and access to spore but if it uses spore it always goes last because of its ability.😳 Granted it’s the only Pokémon that can spore Garganacl and Gholdengo but still 🤯
There's at least one, probably multiple ways to get rid of Toedscruel's ability to trade off the ability to put Gargy and Gholdengo to sleep for speed spores
Something else funny is when stats tie, the boosted stat follows the descending order of stats, meaning even if it had 126 attack instead it would still get an attack boost over a speed boost with Booster Energy.
That's not how the stats works, or maybe in that case actually works.
Yeah i think you are right
@@victorjrromero1546
Beast Boost has the same interaction for stats
@@black-redpill3 i mean the base stats, 126 Attack would be the same as speed, so as you say, the attack will boost anyway
Game freak taking into account negative attack nature 0 IV/EV example is crazy to me. Game freak typically doesn't pay attention to these sort of stuff.
+Speed -Attack Nature: Allow me to introduce myself
Bro u blind?
An even better idea would have been to fix sleep and freeze mechanics so they weren't so broken...
Sleep is honestly fine
Spore alone isn’t what makes amoongus so good
@@GravityIsFalling In what way is sleep fine?
@@lkjkhfggd Rest Sleep Talk, like back in Gen 2 if sleep really becomes a problem this strategy will pop up again.
There's also a few stat curing berries as well.
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions lmao imagine being forced to run shit moves and items to counter a mechanic
I feel like they should've stuck with Legends' Frostbite status effect, which is widely considered the best take on freezing
Scarf Breloom “Allow me to introduce myself”
Its not really good to give it as choice item as after getting locked into spore, what then? You switch out? Thats a turn wasted
Just give Brute Bonnet swords dance. That's literally all I would want from this thing.
Growth works in sunlight
@@12jswilson yeah, but it's not always the most reliable boosting option
they seem to keep SD for sharper mon designs, or those with weapons. Brute Bonnet is just a fat ass mushroom lol
@@VenoMantis to be fair, Bibarel has swords dance
The fact they balanced certain mon but kept almost everything else broken, proves even more how unfinished Scarlet/Violet is. Had they given themselves the time to actually balance out the game, improve framerate, fixed bugs, etc. Gen 9 could've been so much better instead of the current mess it is.
(not saying the new games aren't fun, but it could've been much better)
OU tier is unrecognizable because of all the op paradox, hisuian, and ruins mons.
If everyone is broken then nothing is broken.
Breloom is twiddling its thumbs.
Listen listen speed boost baton pass espathra into booster brute bonnet
I love little things that show GF keeping competitive in mind
It's all fun and games until you know, freaking Salt Cure, Shed Tail or Rage Fist.
Meanwhile palafin and chi yu OHKOing everything in sight
Miriadon is probably the 3rd strongest Pokémon ever
Then there's Fissure Ting-Lu.
@@Rptor_ I would say second behind Zacian crowned.
So why doesn’t breloom see play? I know base 70 isn’t “fast” but it’s sure faster than brute.
Because of lack of bulk? Seriously, Spore is A BROKEN MOVE.
Amoongus puts in wayyy more work overall, otherwise breloom probably would get looked at. The fact that amoongus hard counters breloom doesn’t help either. Also, brute bonnet with booster energy +speed would wind up outspeeding base 105s, 70 is quite slow in comparison
If it makes you feel better, Breloom is pretty good in early restricted formats and ones without Amoonguss because of its neat offensive toolkit to complement Spore
In VGC: it's way too fucking frail.
In BSS: it absolutely does see play. what a fucking obnoxious mon.
Amoongus is way bulkier and also gets access to rage powder, which is sometimes even more important to have than spore
Laughs in trailblaze+end of sun
There's only one way I can think of that'll trigger Protosynthesis speed with booster energy. That being Brute Bonnet being sent into Magic Room with one of it's teammates lowering it's stats (excluding speed) before it runs out. That being said, at that point, you should just use Breloom lol
Or else - speed nature Bonnet in a trick room
Some abilities trigger before protosynthesis so you could do without magic room
@@greavardbestboi773 at that point just use amoongus
actually, intimmidate can still trigger protosynth speed for brute bonnet. i've tried it- by dropping the ATK, speed is the higher number, so booster energy activates it instead. pretty sick tech but very very niche
Trailblaze can boost brute bonnet’s speed, then in sun, Protosynthesis boosts it’s speed boosts again
That’s 3 moves across at least two turns where a lot can go wrong, which balances it
Turn 1 BB trailblazes, hoping it doesn’t get KO’d
Turn 2 you either Sunny Day or switch to Torkal, and only THEN you can spore.
At that point, it’s slightly less practical and much less reliable than trick room amoongus
If it could just use Booster Energy, it could get a speed stat of 175 turn 1, immediately threatening the whole field.
@@vbarreiro More like one move since doubles exists. One turn for trailblaze and then switch in a torkoal next turn and bam
@@challengepanda537 that's still two turns.
Bruh what's up with dog trailblaze setpost lately. First rillaboom, then hisuian decidueye, and now this. And speed is getting lower everytime lmaooooo
Doesn't protosynthesis only work with its highest stat? Even with a trailblaze boost, its attack is still higher than its speed
Most paradox pokemon have strange, seemingly specific stats. All the past pokemon have all an odd number for each base stat and all future pokemon have an even number.
Bc the past pokemon are wild and a little unorganized, like a odd number, while the future ones are robotic and planned specifically, meaning they would get even spreads to their abilities
It’s like ultra beasts had prime numbers for their base stats except for naganadel, whose base speed stat was 121
it should be said that under certain circumstances, when a pokemon's highest stat is lowered, ie: lowered atk or sp atk, the next highest stat will be boosted by protosythisis. so you could potentially partingshot your own brutebonnet to instead boost it's speed stat. just something to hink about
the boost of energy booster if active from the very moment you send it so even with that property you couldn't boost his speed,
but there is other ways like trailblaze to make your favorite mushroom faster.
Breloom with base 70 speed at max 265: "Hi!" -also has mach punch, swords dance and now has access to tera ghost to block extreme speed, quick attack, fake out and mach punch. For that matter, Brute Bonnet gets sucker punch and trail blaze
It's actually two points short, because if its Speed was the same as its Attack, Protosynthesis would still boost Attack. If a Pokemon has multiple best stats, the game prioritizes them in the order of Attack, then Defense, then Sp.Atk, then Sp.Def, and lastly Speed.
Giving Brute Bonnet 125 Base Attack would be more frustrating because of this, it ties with its Speed at bare minimum Attack and funnily enough this still holds at Level 100 so you wouldn't be able to pull off fast Spore even on Smogon metas.
If it was faster it would make so many sweats on showdown cry
That is until you change Mycelium Might from Toedscruel and it starts sporing left and right😭
Agility then sun could be deadly.
brute bonnet's stats: I prevent a fast spore user from existing as that would be overpowered.
breloom: am I a joke to you?
Buzzwole is the same way. If you run minimum attack and defense and maximum speed, you need a negative nature and can only get one of either attack or defense below its speed
Saving the competitive world? Broken ahh meta ☠️☠️☠️
Me: "Laughs in Trick Room."
Time to choice scarf
Choice scarf: 🗿
This is literally the first thing I did when brute bonnet became legal and I was so disappointed I couldn't raise its speed
Sounds like a perfect addition to my trick room team
Gamefreak is only scared of 1 thing, a moderately fast spore user
Then Darkrai before gen 7
Man got nerfed before he could do anything
Breloom: "Am I joke to you?"
Yes, yes he is.
me with choice scarf brute bonnet: hold my beer
I want pokemon like this and sandy shocks to be good, they are so weird and goofy and i love them
I swear, gamefreak has 1 unique person create 1 pokemon each, and sometimes we get this, sometimes they just asked the local hobo and he said "All in on attack and speed"
I used to do a thing in Gen 8 doubles where I used prankster meow stick and skill swapped it with Amoogus to get priority spore
Sounds painful 💀
Turns out I can do it again in Gen 9 but with Sableye
I literally found out this pokemon exists yesterday from the book in the school library in Scarlet and was excited to see it in the wild, and then I get it spoiled right in my face the next day 😭
I think what most people in the comments are missing is the luck aspect. Yes there are other broken mons but spores is a completely luck based move. Luck for it to hit, then luck for the sleep duration.
Other mons are outright more broken but less luck based.
Neither are healthy but usually avoiding too many luck based mechanics is preferable.
Spore is 100%
> spore
> luck for it to hit
My nigga, Spore has been 100% to hit since Gen 1
@@AnglosArentHuman gen 2*
Learned the 1 difference the hard way when i brought it into my team in showdown
I never thought Id see Freezai referencing hbomberguy's title format but here we are
*stares at Walking Wake, who needs for it to have its SpA EVs INTENTIONALLY lowered to 248-244 or lower in order for it to proc protosynth speed*
Makes the balanced brute bonnet and Tinkaton but allows things like flutter mane and chiyu to exist
Chi yu isn’t even broken
@@GravityIsFalling Have we been playing the same game. I'm a Chi yu stan and like it more than it's counterparts. But that thing was Busted with it's ability. There's a reason that thing is in Ubers with Fluttermane. Even resisting it's Fire Attacks with good Tank Stats to back it up doesn't garuntee you can deal with it.
That thing is a menace and just like the other mentioned was shaping the Meta entirely around it not many mons can do it. Very few could battle against it and even less could switch into it. One wrong mistep against Chi yu basically means you have lost the game
@@dr.dylansgame5583
VGC
This video…is about…VGC
@@GravityIsFalling And... Chi Yu can be a menace in Doubles as well. Even if both mons target it that just leaves room for it's partner to go Banana's Chi Yu doesn't have Bad Bulk is Fast and Hit's like a Freight-train even against Resists. Sure it doesn't have good moves to hit both mons at the same time but that strategy is honestly overrated.
And when paired with the right partner basically can net you two kills for free. Even in a 6v6 that's at least a third of your team gone before you can react. Most people won't be expecting it and even if you predict it and have a decent counter that doesn't mean your getting off much easier. Unless you Double Protect turn one but that's a waste and how many mons run a set like that.
If you attack both at the same time from turn one since VGC is so focused on Status, Support, and setting things up for later. You can just throw a wrench in their plans from turn 1 instead of playing to the other persons shenanigans. This is why VGC is so stagnant no one is willing to go against the meta and grain. Yet my meme mons back from Gen 4 to 5 got me invited to invitationals when I was younger didn't even understand EV's, IV's, Good Sets, Etc.
I find if your smart and play against the Meta instead of with it your more overall likely to find success unless you constantly make bad plays. Instead of running the same cookie cutter teams everyone makes i just run whatever beats out the current threats. And that hasn't steered me wrong as mentioned by the previous accomplishment as I have had a consistent high elo in both singles and doubles on multiple tiers on Showdown.
@@dr.dylansgame5583
It’s good, but not broken
There is a way to get it to boost Speed. If a Booster Energy user, let's say Iron Hands, was sent out at the same time as an Intimidate user, the Atk stat will be lowered first, and then Booster Energy will then boost the next biggest stat, which will then be Defense. So if you lead the min Atk max Spe Brute Bonnet and the opponent leads with something like Arcanine, you will get the Speed boost.
"damn I am too strong. I wish could have been weaker"
Note that this is only at level 50. When engaged in lvl 100 formats, a min attack max speed booster energy brute bonnet will get the speed boost
you are wrong
Scarf Breloom is goated.
so much fun back in DPP. that thing could hit spore before literally any mon not running a scarf could move.
WHO GON STOP ME FROM SCARFING?
Then there's Breloom, which can very quickly spore, substitute and tera electric to turn its 4x weakness into a resistance. Then it has the option to run leech seed + leftovers or mach punch + bullet seed with access to technician and loaded dice.
Uhhmmm? Breloom is faster then both and has spore.. right?
Drought Eruption Torkoal + Choice scarf Brute Bonnet = win
Ahh yes, my favorite route theme ..mnice touch
Brute bonnet with choice scarf:
Quick claw enters chat
Breloom wants to know your location
Mycelium might.
But they know that you can doodle grafaiai next to toedscruel. Pretty sure they’re found in the same area too so we do get a lil “wink wink, nudge nudge” still
And then Breloom exists in the same Gen so it doesn’t matter
yeah but breloom is actually less powerfull than this thing (at least in the 6v6) because that shroom can trailblaze thus become fast af and spore everything.
In Anything goes when there is no sleep clause this is a monster.
Breloom is never used over Amoongus, it’s not tanky enough and 70 base speed isn’t enough to compensate for its lack of bulk, it just gets one shot before it can move. It doesn’t even get Trailblaze to boost its speed it’s horrid
Trickroom: Am I a joke to you?
And then you have madlads who run trailblaze bonnet
Brute Bonnet can still fast spore under Tailwind ;)
Tailwind brute bonnet would still work though
“Bruce Bonnet”
crazy to target brute bonnet when ursaluna, flutter and ogerpon exist
Brute bonnet is underrated
I mean…. That is super clever and interesting to see how they balanced it out like that.
(Fissure Ting-Lu enters the chat)
Oh…..
On my first time playing pokemon white, team was galvantula, Carroscotta, emboar, krookodile, swoobat, and ovc Amoongus, comments on amoongus, can take super effective moves with over half, spore and solar beam combo was scary, plus synthesis, he was unstoppable
Trick room:
I believe protosynthesis is based on stat changes so if bonnets attack were lowered or speed were raised then trigger protosynthesis you could get a speed boost. I believe this because of an ubers game i had where my speed proto walking wake came in on stickywebs so protosynthesis boosted spa over speed. Unless showdown has it wrong which has happened in the past may be worth testing
Just use Trailblaze. I use Booster Energy Attack + Max Speed Trailblaze with Crunch and CC as the last 2 moves. Trailblaze hits deceptively hard, especially since you can boost against a sleeping opponent for multiple turns. And the other moves provide perfect coverage so that you can win, or at least cripple, every 1v1. Singles Battle Spot btw
But that isn't the point, the point of the video is that gf shaftes brute bonnet to not be a First Turn speed spore user
@@andresmunoz6356 I know I know, but Brutes got the bulk to survive a hit, put them out of commission, then boost it's speed multiple times. Then just sleep and slam everything. It's a surprisingly fun strat
Very luck reliant, as all thing should be expected for bss. For real though that work just there because everyone can spam Spore with no consequences lol. But No hate, if you find success there use it
@@Gspoink I wouldn't say it's luck reliant, aside from sleep turns being a cruel mistress, but it is very matchup reliant, since it can thud vs opposing Grasses and Flyers especially, but that's why it pairs so amazingly with hazard support and/or Iron Moth. The duo are surprisingly potent. Even if Bonnet itself is walled/threatened, it can still leave an opponent asleep for easy setup/attacks from the Fire type. I was initially disappointed by how little use Trailblaze actually has outside of gimmicky Tera abuse, but Bonnet using it for 1st turn sleeping is amazing. At +2 with 180 Speed Jolly, you actually outrun Dragapult by one point, allowing for a good amount of HP and Attack to make the setup just that much more reliable
@@Hnui03 fair lol, I have nothing against you anyway. Peace.
Ah yes, I (Gamefreak) will balance this Pokémon around one move that I could choose not to give it and thereby shaft it right up the urethra with a flaming hot poker instead of making it a more offensively inclined Pokémon with differently distributed stats without that move, crippling its viability to erase a mistake I could have not made in the first place.
And not give a mushroom pokemon spore? Are you insane?
@@SwagnerCountsThings it’s the more reasonable of the two options.
It's paradox amoonguss, amoonguss's entire thing is spore
History is written by the victors, or more accurately, history is re-written by the prideful
Speed Boost Protect into Baton Pass could do it though. A lot of setup but could be worth it
This is also why mycelium might exists
Then there's Toedscruel, which is fast, but fucked over by it's god awful ability
Xurkitree because of the stats will only ever get a Special Attack boost from Beast Boost no matter how minimal its special attack can get
Booster Energy can trigger Speed on Brute Bonnet if the following conditions are met: 1) Brute Bonnet has 252 SPE EVs and 0 ATK EVs. 2) Brute Bonnet enters the field while Sun is up. 3) Brute Bonnet's attack is lowered by 1 stage, OR it's speed is increased by 1 stage. 4) Sun goes down while Brute Bonnet is still on the field.
Booster energy will trigger, boosting speed since it is now it's highest stat.
Toadscruel have the same reason for Miscelanius Magnum, but in my opinion the drawback could be just acting 50% speed when using status move
Ungaboonguss moment
Why does he sound exactly like the embodiment of the nerd emoji😭😭
I wanna know how Amoonguss will perform when Miraidon becomes legal in VGC!
The big brain starts from Nintendo
I feel like this is just coincidental. Like c’mon, have you seen fluttermane? They have no fucks to give about balance
Okay but, hear me out, quick claw Spore Brute Bonnet
wait i'm now just curious what happens when you have the mon's highest stats be both exactly the same number, how does the ability work? does it randomly pick between the 2 or does it have a favored stat?
If two stats tie the priority is
Attack > Defense > Sp. Atk. > Sp. Def. > Speed
So if Attack is the same as speed then it boost your attack
Honestly max speed with trailblazer and natural bulk allows it to outspeed and spore
You can fix your lisp, there is therapy.
That's actually hilarious
i remember trying to test this out to see if it was possible to have speed be the highest stat and was pretty disappointed after discovering this.