What Makes an Arceus Type Bad?
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- What's the best arceus type and why?
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Arceus-Steel (Arceus-Flying)
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@@MegaSpamziken1996Because the colours look similar some players nicknamed their Arceus a different type than it actually is
@@davispo7550 just look at the type instead of the color smh
@@MegaSpamziken1996Its a meme where in a competitive match someone clicked Earthquake on an Arceus-Flying that was nicknamed Arceus-Steel.
@@i_like_chomp6382competitive pokemon moment
You forgot to mention that e killer can also hold a different item since it doesn’t need the plate which is very helpful
A lot of the time it just ends up running Silk Scarf anyways
@@blargghkipit can also run life orb for slightly more damage, or choice band for more immediate damage
@@blargghkipreally? I remember in the past the common item was lum berry for status or chopple berry for marshadow.
@@petelee2477yeah in the past because marshadow isnt in gen 9
@@blargghkip E-killer often runs Silk Scarf, yes, but if you're running a different Arceus-Normal set then you might want to run something else, and Arceus-Normal is the only type that can run a different held item. Freezai should have mentioned this.
freezai talking about something i didn't think i gave a shit about is an instant click
Fax. I’ve never played ubers, have no plans to, and I clicked without hesitation.
I just clicked cause I was bored
Atheists smh. Arceus bug is not a god worthy of worship tho
i clicked because i will watch practically anything related to pokemon
These are facts.
Arceus-Flying with the nickname "Arceus-Steel"
A showderp classic
Really stole the show
you know you're strong when your best counters are different versions of yourself
I like how the literal God of everything cannot command wind to remove some random rocks, hazards really are god tier threats
"I fear no mon, but that... _thing_ scares me"
- Arceus AKA God talking about some hurty spikes and rocks
That is criminal. How comes Arceus can't learn EVERY move in the game??
@@ieatvirginsyou want a 120 omnistat smeargle?
@@afriendlycampfire260 Yes
@@afriendlycampfire260 That might be necessary to keep Arceus relevant come Gen 13 when Miraidon and Zacian have been so powercrept that they're considered D-tier Ubers.
At least Extreme-killer Arceus has remained pretty consistent over the years, especially in Gen 9 where it can use the Tera-Normal extremespeed combo
Or you can use tera ghost for stab shadow claw and getting more swords dances up
It really struggled in Gen 7 when Marshadow and Zygarde-C were everywhere, but now it gets to another peak in its career.
Dragon Dance ESpeed and it’s just another Dragonite!
Arceus is such a cool pokemon. you can build an ubers team without it, then you can just slap in an arceus to patch any holes it has. It’s amazing in how versatile it can be
Arceus Normal also has access to an item which makes it so versatile.
Watching stone edge miss every time you talk about it has me dying laughing. Fuck that move.
7:42 Arceus-ground was lost
rest in peace...
You know, there IS one more form of Arceus, but it's locked behind its signature item in its own game. Yup, I'm talking the Legend Plate which you get once you complete the Hisui Dex and defeat/catch Arceus. Here's what the Legend Plate does: When given to Arceus, it starts as a Normal-Type. The twist is that when using Judgement, Arceus will automatically change its type to whatever is super-effective against the target. I'm just saying...if we have to live with Calyrex-Shadow going Tera Fairy, why not implement the Legend Plate in the mainline games to let Arceus change its type every time it uses Judgement? It might be too much for Ubers, but with Ubers specifically, I say screw order, I want chaos!
Instant AG ban
@@theschnozzler A new tier where he can hang out with Eternamax Eternatus and Tera Electric Shedinja lol.
@@georgecortes3416 eternamax isn't even playable because if it would be due to a glitch it can become invincible in one stat, ruining any tier it finds itself in
@@theschnozzler I know, I'm just spitballing lol. I know Eternamax is meant to be unplayable as the BST makes it like those big RPG bosses with stats your player characters can't comprehend ever having. But yeah, even a tier where everything is legal couldn't comprehend Arceus changing its types at will lol.
@@theschnozzler eternax literally broke the entirity of true hackmons lmao, make a physically immune version and a specially immune version and just wall anything.
>Says and talks about Stone Edge
>Actually shows Rock Slide
>Doesnt matter, still misses
LMAO
All forms are equal…but some forms are more equal than others.
I love him showing stone edge/rockslide and it missing while being good options with Ground. XD
I love how the types fit into their theming
Fairy being a trickster, spreading status and being a lil goober
Ground being strong and offensive, using rocks to jts advantage
Then theres just water who likes the burn. Dammit
Water is carried by a great defensive typing
Dark is there for shenanigans
I play the Ubers UU tier, and some forms are insanely good in the format. We only have Normal, Ground, and Fairy banned via usage, and the majority of the banned mons are Arc forms. Arceus Water, Steel, and Flying were banned for being way too good defensively, and Arceus Ghost and especially Fire were extremely strong offensively, mainly due to them being very good Ekiller forms without Normal being around. Currently Arceus isn't super common, Arc Dark being the most used for utility purposes.
Yeah it's not that most of these Arceus forms aren't strong. It's just that they have a unique issue of not only competing for team slots with other Ubers in the tier, but also competing with the 3 best forms for species clause. If you banned Arceus normal and Arceus ground then Arceus as a whole would probably still push 50% usage.
UUbers sounds really interesting! What are some common non-Arceus names you see?
yeah tera normal arceus fire was disgusting, essentially a burn immune ekiller arceus with stab on flare blitz for steels (magearna the big one)
@@fortidogi8620 magearna, mewtwo, hero zacian, palkia-o, giratina all really common and valuable, lots of the banned in ou but not good enough for ubers mons like archaludon, chien-pao, palafin make frequent appearances too. awesome super fun tier tbh
@@fortidogi8620 The top mons at the moment are Magearna, Zacian, Mewtwo, Terapagos, Chien-Pao, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, and Palkia-Origin. The format is super fun and unique, I highly recommend it.
Pretending that Body Press Cosmic Power Stored Power Fighting Arceus doesn't exist.
It sucks
even the literal god pokemon has some pretty ass sets i suppose
That could work in a tournament, but why Arceus-fighting ? I mean you spoil the entire strat
Ive ran cosmic power arceus, but like fighting is horrid for that If rather run steel or fairy
Ground and Dairy do that better
E-Killer is love, E-Killer is life
One thing I always found a bit funny about Arceus is that it has the stats for a gameplay niche we don’t see much.
Which is a fast wall.
Fast Pokémon usually are super frail and defensive Pokémon usually not fast.
While you can EV some defensive mons to be a bit faster and some fast Pokémon to be a bit sturdier, they will still lag behind in these categories next to Pokémon more dedicated to these niches.
Arceus is the only one that can do both and not underperform in either stat when compared to other Pokémon of similar strength.
I don't remember other Fast Wall besides Arceus themself, Lugia and Scream Tail.
@@troykv96
Technically Serpiroir’s stats are made for being a fast wall. But because it’s typing and movepool weren’t good for it it didn’t take. So they reinvented it with Contrary
@@frankwest5388the same can be said for lugia being held back because of its typing and honestly subseed serp performs better in ou then lugia performs in Ubers as a wall
@@troykv96 I think I remember hearing Raikou being described as a fast wall in Gen 2 due to it being able to use recover before the opponent can attack
Mew could be a fast wall before Arceus
Something interesting to mention is that in gen 7, z-crystals also changed arceus’ type, giving it access to a z-move, but at the cost of not having the 20% type boost from the plate. although idk if any did use it because i didn’t play Ubers back then, it’s just something i found on my own.
he mentioned arcues ghost used to use the z crystal alongside shadow force
Any phsical arceus would prefer the z move
8:42, ground is still hidden lmao
I saw that, lol
I had literally no idea how complicated Arceus would be in singles.
Ye ngl this was an instant click, I've always wanted to know why
To elaborate on the part of good forms depending on the meta, Arceus-Fire is far from the best in singles Ubers, only being oppressive in Ubers UU where many of its would-be answers are banned by usage. However, in Doubles Ubers, the power of the Koraidon-Groudon core makes Arceus-Fire one of the best forms, where its natural bulk, utility and access to a strong sun-boosted spread move in Heat Wave make it the perfect partner for the dual sun setters. It helps that Kyogre is at its lowest point due to the presence of both bike dragons who resist its Water moves and either replace its rain with sun (without having to get out immediately or Tera on the rain like Groudon) or threaten to OHKO it or force a Tera, on a move that nothing that isn't immune wants to take either, making sun-boosted Fire STAB harder than ever to withstand.
"take a look at the world around you"
Immediately starts to cry 😭
"an pick the best Arceus"
How will that help? 😢
get on pokemon and play, your not going to understand without experience.
@@meannush7552 I think you misunderstood my joke, I've played tons of pokemon. Difficulty hacks and on showdown
@@ilovedogs2642 damn dude, sorry for misunderstanding your joke
May we worship and wait for the move judgement to land to bring us to Salvation.
Praise Arceus
Makes sense steel is bad, since its such a defensive type and the dominant meta in gen 9 is offense
Well not helping no idem and alot of good ground types
Necrozma Dusk is also a steel type and one of the best mons in the game. Honestly the introduction of dusk mane is what mostly killed steel arceus, because why would you use steel arceus when you can use Dusk Mane to do the same things it does while also freeing up your arceus slot.
There's something funny to me about saying Stone edge twice but both times it's rock slide missing
Great vid as usual, Freezai!
I just wanted to say, though - you've used the same asset for the DRAGON type many videos now, and each time it has the D a bit black and a black bar across the A... is that intentional, or a mistake? I don't get it... (sorry if this seems like a nitpick)
As someone who's a very casual player, I've always wondered this myself. Good video!
Another thing that helped arceus ghost was that it used to check ekiller
I don't know if I'll get an answer to this but I have a question. Arceus-Water is A on the viability rankings (with stuff like Arceus-Normal, Eternatus, and Kyogre), but when looking at it's actual usage it's down in 36th place with 2.6% (around mons like Ditto, Giratina-Altered, and Terapagos). Why is it considered on-par or even better than pokemon in the top 10-20 in the tier when it's usage actually sits around pokemon that are C- ranked or worse?
It’s because you can only have one Arceus on a team. If the three best Pokémon in a tier are all Arceus formes, then that won’t be reflected in the usage stats (unless the tier is incredibly diverse). It’s possible for six Pokémon to be on over 50% of teams, but it isn’t possible for two of the six to be Arceus.
Water is outclassed by EKiller and Fairy, so its usage stats are artificially low compared to its viability.
It’s been cool to hear your voice change over time
would love a video abt random moms that saw OU stints bc of an obviously broken mon (houndoom at beginning of gen 9 etc)
Arceus is so interesting for being pretty fast, insanely bulky, and slightly underpowered compared to other mons in ubers, which is funny considering it has the same base stat across the board
Im kinda honored that i was subbed to you when you still had the subs in the hundreds 😅 you came a long way
Power creep getting so crazy that it wouldn't surprise me if in a Gen or two, an Arceus form dropped to OU
OU? What are you talking about? Are we inventing words now?
Good work algorithm
Arceus Fire was busted in UbersUU!!
Nah, it wasn't busted, it was over centralizing, which is a worse sin. If you did not had a Palkia-Origin, Dondozo, Booster energy Great Tusk or Defensive Landorus-T, you were just screwed.
This is what I like to call "The Silvally theorem", the fact that a Pokemon might not see play because of species clause causing insane competition.
"It was busted in Ubers uwu!"
@@DrDeathslayer thumbs down👎
@@N12015is sivally actually a good example though? Most sivally types don't see play because it sucks, not because it has competition from species clause.
@@watery2211 I was thinking of PU, and because Deoxys was took by "speed is everything" video.
For anyone wondering what's the song at 8:20 it's Isekai by Rj Pasin.
What made you use the shiny palkia sprite towards the end of the video but the normal dialga?
Do you have the same editor as MoxieBoosted? This style is familiar lol
Did the thumbnail change or is freezai using the feature where you can choose two thumbnails? I really liked the artwork one.
I love watching TH-cam videos about niche meta games that I’ll probably never involve myself with!
A few years ago I used the "Arceus we have at home," Silvally, in Gen VIII VGC and Grass was actually one of its best forms (before Rillaboom got its hidden ability of course). It really shows how metagame changes which Plate... or Memory is best.
8:18 The Psychic type has left the chat:
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came to the comments looking for someone talking about it
Why bother necrozma and Mewtwo are better nerczma for obuse reason but Mewtwo has jest as deep of a move pool and has nasty plot
It’s also worth mentioning that in past gens with smeargle the grass type’s spore immunity can be handy
Did you name some of your Pokémon after the street fighter 6 ost????
Use either the good or bad plates if you want a good or bad form arceus. Hope this helps
In a similar vein, it'd be cool for you to go over what makes a Tera type good or bad for a Pokemon. I still find that confusing sometimes.
I was always partial to Dark Type Arceus. During the 3DS days, I ran a defensive Calm mind sweeper, with Refresh for getting rid of status. I was disappointed when they axed it.
Kirby air ride music
I think it might be music from another Kirby but I remember it from Kirby air ride
The 4th factor in Arceus type viability, much like megas its taking up your Arceus slot. A lot of these types would be more usable if you didnt have the opportunity cost of losing on Fairy or Ekiller for using them
I rhink one extra mention for why arceus-normal is so good is because it can hold an extra item. Idk how the damage multiplier for plates work (stab + plate boost?), but normal can let you carry whatever other items you want. Life orb is a pretty great example since it also boosts ypur other attacks
Arceus-Grass is arguably the best form imo. It's been the best utility 'mon in Ubers for well over 10 years now, and it's always useful. Aromatherapy, Grass being a decent typing, Healing, Will-o-wisp/T--wave support, Defog, Roar, Calm Mind tank potential. It's just amazing.
Gen 6-7 Arceus-Grass and Groudon core made such a nice balance sweep shutdown core that Weezing was slotted onto the team and if played properly, you had 0 losing matchups. Xerneas got hard-walled, Mega Mewtwo got rolled, Yveltal lost to Will-o+Weezing...it was just great.
Idk you can't go wrong with Arceus-Grass.
When picking a type you can also think about what moves that type Arceus *could* have.
It’s got 120 in every stat, if you use a type that has a build using both Attack or Special Attack. Like how Galarian Rapidash was back in SwSh, if you choose the right type they have no way of knowing whether to switch in a Special wall or a Physical wall. If you choose for example Normal, there’s no thinking needed, they know what you’re doing.
Arceus has equal SpAtk and Atk, so if you take everything out, like team preview back then; there’s no way of knowing which they are.
You said Steel resisted Dark and Steel instead of Dark and Ghost in gen 5
Funny how Normal Arceus is just peak any and every time.
Arceus-Fairy used to be terrible.
Saw 0% usage in gen V and prior.
Lots of weird editing problems in this one: Errors and glitchy textures on the type nameplates, silhouettes fading back out during transitions but not ALL of them (Arc:Ground keeps vanishing), just a lot of funky stuff. Neat topic, but the production is definitely down.
Arceus Dark Tera Normal is good against Calyrex Shadow. When you terastallize to Normal you are immune to Astral Barrage, you could run coverage to hit Calyrex with Psyshock if its Tera Fighting or Sludge Bomb for Tera Fairy.
yea, well... in practice (anything goes, only tier where caly is legal), caly-shadows tend to use tera ghost, normal or grass. a good dark-type judgement is usually enough to put it in its place. and even if not, you don't know if ur opponent is fairy or fighting, and running 2 coverage moves just for 1 mon means u miss out on utility like twave or willowisp.
thanks for the video
10:14 there is a bug in your poison type name plate the white text inside did not transfer and you can see the background thru it
Poor Shaymin Sky, I remember almost always using it in Ubers, since besides Arceus it was the only other Grass type in there, and it was nice to outspeed Darkrai with it. Ubers Jirachi flinching, if only it could be 130 speed now.
What about the plate that makes it op because it changes the form that is super effective?
If a type can be good as a mono type it can be a good arceus. The metagame is also a factor. A bigger one really. Even Arceus bug could be good in the right circumstances. That being said I can't imagine electric arceus ever being good. Ground is just way too prevelant.
This probably sounds insane but I wonder how Arceus bug would deal with sand teams.
Arent the usage stats Mirai 63, Korai 62, Necro 45, Zacian 34, Arc-Normal 34, Arc-Ground 26, which purs Arc in total at a min usage of 60 percent?
3:50 Im not a competitive pokemon player so i could be completely missing the point here, but if arceus normal is so strong that every team needs to be ready for it, why is it (relatively) so low in pick rate? Why isnt everyone using it if its thats strong? Are the other pokemon also that powerful or is there something else that I'm not taking into account?
Fairy, Ground, and Water are more consistent due to being better defensively whereas Ekiller needs more support
Idk if I’m the only one, but I want Z-moves to come back. And Arceus was able to run it too with its Multitype, which was cool.
An OP mechanic Pokemon even straight out banned was type-gems where a move did 1.3 or 1.5 times (i forget which) on the first move of that type.
I agree, the gem ban is underwhelming. but also consider that z moves work once a battle where gems work once per mon. its a 1.5 boost with no choice lock nor recoil.
@@meannush7552 Speaking of gems I feel like EITHER Pokemon Co. or Showdown should have a “Single-gem Clause.” Pokemon would straight out ban it, can’t see why not be able to use at least one.
Also it’s a one time use, or make it so that it doesn’t stack with stat buffs, like setting up SD then Iron Head with Steel Gem Kartana (just an example).
05:52 the day shaymin sky drops from ubers is the day the meta game has been powercrep passed hell
Iceus not mentioned?? or did I just miss that part
That ending was inspirational
I do have to wonder, would Ubers be more balanced if virtually every team didn’t have access to an Arceus teamslot? I know about the whole “Farceus” situation in Gen 4, but even then it eventually still got banned there. Speaking from experience I feel like E-Killer and now Dragon Dance warp the meta too much.
11:58 freezai misspelled something point and laugh
It’s ark-eus. As in, arcane + deus. Which means an unknowable deity.
the name is アルセウス (a ru se u su), you're wrong.
@@rodolfogrossmann2965 sir, this is an english channel
Nobody talking about how the intro music is a Sonic 4, Splash Hill Zone, guitar cover???
That's so niche!
Im waiting to see how many times Freezai changes the name of this video while it sits in my watch later
I like that every time you mentioned Rock Slide you show it missing xD
Love how the example footage for stone edge was a miss 😂
Is this Moxie Boosted's alternate channel or what lmao you have the exact same layout and editing style
Noticed a few little weird visual things in the editing. They probably weren't too distracting for most people, but hopefully Freezai's style becomes easier for this editor if they continue working together.
Arceus Flying? Asking because I'm curious about that Ground Immunity
Also, Arceus Normal cam hold any item, right?
I thought this said arceus type beat and I was ready for some heat
6:20 Ho-oh can try and take on calm mind arceus, but it would lose to the psychical stone egde:
**The attack misses**
Is the music from Digimon TCG?
So this video is now the reason I find out Eternatus is Poison-Type... Weird
So would Arceus be nearly the only mon ever if species clause was removed
Nope! anything goes player here, there is no species clause. while having 2 or even 3 arceus is definitely a thing, you dont see any more of that cause arceus's stats are too balanced. you really want some extreme power like miraidon or bulkiness like ting-lu.
@@glacierwing kinda assumed and I honestly should've known given I've known about ag lol how's the meta been since the revive cats ban anything stupid or silly?
@@kawaiiempoleon8721 revivecats only existed in national dex AG not standard AG, natdex AG got wiped entirely because it got so bad nobody wanted to play it lol
Edge-quake was something that was not on my bingo card
Me picking the Legend Plate in SV: My powers are beyond your understanding.
I used to use steel arc back in gen 6. I used cosmic power with toxic and willowisp. And I'd say "stall god is above this futile squabble"
Can you do a video on why fighting types were so good in gen 7 little cup
But how good is Arceus-steel (Areceus-flying)?
God, i hadn't even considered the metagame implications of Arceus being able to Terastalize. So in a pinch, you can flip it to a completely different type against something intended to counter it, or gain STAB on a coverage move but switch it to a type with better resistances. Or have really busted Extremespeeds
Wait, why the thumbnail change?
So you mentioned that Arceus forms got nerfed for later Gens, but did simulators like showdown show the Arceus type for previous Gens like Gen 5?
I never played Ubers when I was younger and played SMOGON. I was always an OU player so I'm not sure. However I've actually recently been starting to regret not playing Ubers like DPP Ubers and Gen 5 Ubers. I've been thinking of going back and messing around with older Ubers formats
im down to game or watch
@@meannush7552 ight I made a couple of teams for DPP ubers. Lemme know if you are more comfortable with Discord or just Showdown names
@@johan662 my dosc is beanra#2301
special ground arceus in gen 7 ubers was my anti pdon weapon
Good video, but the music felt a little too loud at the end
I have been playing since gen 1, but my first shiny was a shiny spinda in ORAS(gen 6). I got a shiny no other person have xD
This video has made me realize that the gen 6 legendaries are the only ones not in the game