SR is not designed to play in a bedroom. Set the volume to 7 (and put hear plugs !) and after at least 1h (to make it HOT) you will hear what the SR sound is. And tune that LP please 😅
I opted for the Tone Master Super Reverb. For the money, you can't beat it. I am digging the options with the attenuator too! And like I say, when the hair gets whiter, the gear gets lighter 😉
The problem i have with the TM series is the fact that Fender chose to model them on Reissue counterparts, not original, vintage amps. That, fir me, makes a direct comparison like this one, futile.
I love the way you two share your guitar passion. As an old guy, I like the 64. Given that the next version will be even better, I would wait unless I needed the TM.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I agree at this point I would still pick the 64 all day long but hopefully these recreations get better and better!
I make my $ playing a Gibson Super Jumbo through dual Fishman towers. In the basement I play my Gibson SG through the SR Tone Master and the combination is the freakin' berries. But basements must not be bedrooms, I guess.
I got confused by the back shot, thought we were looking behind the amps as they were and not turned around, and was about to comment that those are reissue Jensens in the ‘64, lol. It took me a second look to realize this and see the ceramic CTS speakers in the ‘64. Thanks for the video! My bandmate is having great success with his TM Twin and is urging me to consider the TM Super. I’m an AC30 guy, so it’s a stretch, but I will plug into one when I see one!
Thanks for watching and commenting! We love the AC30's as well! It would be very cool if Vox would have a Tonemaster style offering. The only downsides to the AC15 and AC30 are the weight!
I have bad luck with electronics, don't matter if its a 50 year old tube amp or a $200 pedal brand new. I've found that carting gear out to gigs and practices just destroys stuff. All of my main amps are hand wired and really easy to fix. I would fear that with the tone master that one day in maybe 20 years or maybe 2, that it would just stop working, and then that would be that. Also I've had all my old amps gone through by a great tech, so they are very reliable. Even had him reflow all the factory solder joints on my 65 super reverb, because I got mine to bring out to the bigger gigs, especially outdoor gigs
Hi Justin thanks for watching and commenting! You are dead right about transporting gear being hard on it. I love the vintage or hand wired stuff because of the ease of repair. Plus I'm a classic rock guy and really dig the tones and overall vibe the old gear gives.
I need to replace a couple of speakers in my Tonemaster Super Reverb.I know the total ohm rating is 2 ohms. Do you know the ohm rating for each individual speaker? It's impossible to read the writing on the speaker.
I keep seeing the Tone Master Super Reverb on Facebook Marketplace for half what they cost to buy new, with the other Tone Masters selling used for about the same price. I need a bigger amp so I am really tempted to buy one. But for the same price should I get a Tone Master Super Reverb or a Tone Master Deluxe Reverb. I assume the Super Reverb is the top of the line right? I am no pro. But I am going to starting with other musicans soon with a drummer , so I need something that will keep up. My Vox AC10C1 I think is a bit small.
The tm is more mid scooped and slightly more hi fi. That could be age, speaker break in, or the specific sr the tm is modelled on. If no 2 tube amps are the same you can get similar variation between 2 of the same sr’s from the same year. I think the tms sound good for what it is. And as tube tech becomes more expensive to buy and repair i think amp manufacturers are going to have to offer something like this. I like both sounds but the tm will probably be the better amp to own because it does not need maintenance and can be modded thru firmware. Its rly a one time purchase which cant be said for any tube amp. In the past the alternatives to tubes werent like this and even then theres been some amazing solid states over the years too. Its the better one to own especially if its your only amp with more control over the volume and less work overall.
IMHO, you need to compare new with new. The fair comparison would be the 65' Reissue against the Tonemaster. It could be that the Tonemaster is modeled after this new 65'Reissue. Even, the Tonemaster has not gotten the same time to break-in as the old model has. There are so many variables to take into account, that I do not know how you can make this comparison really relevant, though entertaining and always intriguing to hear. Unless what you search is that vintage sound produced for years of use and those old components.
Yeah, that Tone Master Super Reverb is above what people give credit for. Now with that, I would take the Tone Master. Also, yes the Deluxe reverb tone master blackface may not be up there with the original, but the Blonde version is definitely better. You guys should check that one out.
Thanks for watching and commenting! We will definitely add a Blonde Deluxe Reverb to the list then. I didn't realize there was any differences other than cosmetics.
@@brokenrecordguitarshow4462 oh no. It has a Celestion creamback speaker. More fine tuned EQ. Also takes pedals much better than the blackface version. Very convincing Deluxe. Also has the virtual brightcap removed.
@@brokenrecordguitarshow4462 oh, you can get really close 9n that "drowning" reverb sound if you hit it with a touch of vibrato and turning your guitar's tone down. It is a really cool amp. You just need to play with it.
Hi Adam, Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes, it is actually the original grill clot! The story goes the original owner brought the amp home and it never moved until his passing. The family remembers him playing through it on occasion but it was rarely used. We found it locally and had to trade a very nice 62 Deluxe for it.
Tonemaster is not a Modeling Amp it is a new improved version of a Super Reverb . Modeling Amps have more than one version of amp like a Mustang IV . Tube Amps are OK if you want that sound but Tonemasters are real close in sound . Tube Amps are noisy at times need lots of maintenance and may not be able to get tubes for . I own both from 60's up to Tonemaster Super Reverb last purchase . Have a 1973 Traynor Sonax solid state 730G did not baby and still works, liked it so much picked up another 2 years later . Have a Fender Blues Deville all Tube 4 x 10 and new Super Reverb 4 x 10 that sounds pretty close and does not make your arms longer to carry. Depends on what type of music you play and guitars you use, that is why we have so many choices .
I bought the Tonemadter deluxe reverb and so far I’m not really impressed, I may have to return it, I’ll know better later in the week after i use it on some gigs, that the only real way to know. It does not have the beef of the tube original that much I can say. Reverb is kind of Meh, but I haven’t tried the firmware update yet, mainly 😅because the hid the usb 😊jack on the bottom of the chassis where it’s not even visible , dumb poor design move. Also after significant time trying out the ‘Attenuator’ I think it’s. Really just a master volume knob that’s notched at certain levels, it doesn’t SOUND like attenuation, so yeah, this may be a mistake on m part, but Sweetwater is good about returns…I will update this post later on….
These low volume demos aren’t valid in the real world of being onstage with loud drums bass and vocals, 2nd guitar player, horn section. 1 or 2 keyboard players, That’s The real test.
When one of the IR's goes out in that tone master, he'll be throwing it away.... a built-in attenuator and line-out won't matter when it's in the trash
Circuit's boards are easily replaced and replacing a chip is pretty simple as well. Can you imagine all the cars and trucks in the landfills if they weren't! SMH
These modelling amps including the tonemaster series sound allot like what they are modelling but they haven’t replicated the feel of playing a valve amp, the compression sag and delay that comes with pushing one.
The 64 will be around in 50 years but the modelling amp will break in 10 years and will be unfixable. Just fit for the trash. Disposable modern junk in my opinion. I would love that 64! 👍
you guys are barely playing anything... kinda hard to tell much.... crank those puppys and see what the difference is.... i'm sure if that was done the differences would be noticeable
It was a struggle to get a good recording of these at high volumes because they are just so loud and don't really break up the way the smaller amps do. We are learning as we go here and are looking at solutions for better audio but it's an expensive and time consuming trial and error process. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@brokenrecordguitarshow4462 Use an attenuator and crank it up. A Toneking Ironman II is rated for 100 Watts and sounds good even at high attenuation levels. It's expensive but it's worth it.
Bedroom players hate the Tone Master series. Working musicians LOVE them…that speaks volumes to me.
SR is not designed to play in a bedroom. Set the volume to 7 (and put hear plugs !) and after at least 1h (to make it HOT) you will hear what the SR sound is. And tune that LP please 😅
I opted for the Tone Master Super Reverb. For the money, you can't beat it. I am digging the options with the attenuator too! And like I say, when the hair gets whiter, the gear gets lighter 😉
Congrats on the new amp, the Tonemaster Super is a great choice!
I love my tone master deluxe reverb , perfect for gigs with any pedals , light weight , no maintenance. I could not go back for tube amps now
Thanks for watching and commenting! The Tonemaster amps are amazingly good for how little they weigh!
Are they good for high gain distortion pedals?
The problem i have with the TM series is the fact that Fender chose to model them on Reissue counterparts, not original, vintage amps. That, fir me, makes a direct comparison like this one, futile.
Actually, that's just one of the problems I have with them! The repairability and disposable nature of them is not a good selling point.
Great work gentleman. Shockingly close, really. They both sound great.
Thank you we appreciate the feedback! We were pleasantly surprised at good the Tonemaster was when we got it.
I love the way you two share your guitar passion. As an old guy, I like the 64. Given that the next version will be even better, I would wait unless I needed the TM.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I agree at this point I would still pick the 64 all day long but hopefully these recreations get better and better!
Great video! Love to hear 5% to 10% range is very acceptable+ some real advantages. To me the sound was better on the TM.
I make my $ playing a Gibson Super Jumbo through dual Fishman towers. In the basement I play my Gibson SG through the SR Tone Master and the combination is the freakin' berries. But basements must not be bedrooms, I guess.
I got confused by the back shot, thought we were looking behind the amps as they were and not turned around, and was about to comment that those are reissue Jensens in the ‘64, lol. It took me a second look to realize this and see the ceramic CTS speakers in the ‘64.
Thanks for the video!
My bandmate is having great success with his TM Twin and is urging me to consider the TM Super. I’m an AC30 guy, so it’s a stretch, but I will plug into one when I see one!
Thanks for watching and commenting! We love the AC30's as well! It would be very cool if Vox would have a Tonemaster style offering. The only downsides to the AC15 and AC30 are the weight!
Tube amps hands down way better then a moduleling amp and the super reverbs do break up
I have bad luck with electronics, don't matter if its a 50 year old tube amp or a $200 pedal brand new. I've found that carting gear out to gigs and practices just destroys stuff. All of my main amps are hand wired and really easy to fix. I would fear that with the tone master that one day in maybe 20 years or maybe 2, that it would just stop working, and then that would be that. Also I've had all my old amps gone through by a great tech, so they are very reliable. Even had him reflow all the factory solder joints on my 65 super reverb, because I got mine to bring out to the bigger gigs, especially outdoor gigs
Hi Justin thanks for watching and commenting! You are dead right about transporting gear being hard on it. I love the vintage or hand wired stuff because of the ease of repair. Plus I'm a classic rock guy and really dig the tones and overall vibe the old gear gives.
I need to replace a couple of speakers in my Tonemaster Super Reverb.I know the total ohm rating is 2 ohms.
Do you know the ohm rating for each individual speaker? It's impossible to read the writing on the speaker.
I keep seeing the Tone Master Super Reverb on Facebook Marketplace for half what they cost to buy new, with the other Tone Masters selling used for about the same price.
I need a bigger amp so I am really tempted to buy one. But for the same price should I get a Tone Master Super Reverb or a Tone Master Deluxe Reverb. I assume the Super Reverb is the top of the line right?
I am no pro. But I am going to starting with other musicans soon with a drummer , so I need something that will keep up. My Vox AC10C1 I think is a bit small.
The tm is more mid scooped and slightly more hi fi. That could be age, speaker break in, or the specific sr the tm is modelled on. If no 2 tube amps are the same you can get similar variation between 2 of the same sr’s from the same year. I think the tms sound good for what it is. And as tube tech becomes more expensive to buy and repair i think amp manufacturers are going to have to offer something like this. I like both sounds but the tm will probably be the better amp to own because it does not need maintenance and can be modded thru firmware. Its rly a one time purchase which cant be said for any tube amp. In the past the alternatives to tubes werent like this and even then theres been some amazing solid states over the years too. Its the better one to own especially if its your only amp with more control over the volume and less work overall.
Wait, did you really plug the speaker level output of the 64 SR into the line level input of that Scarlett 212 interface at 3:58?
It was the tone master, it has a line out
IMHO, you need to compare new with new. The fair comparison would be the 65' Reissue against the Tonemaster. It could be that the Tonemaster is modeled after this new 65'Reissue. Even, the Tonemaster has not gotten the same time to break-in as the old model has. There are so many variables to take into account, that I do not know how you can make this comparison really relevant, though entertaining and always intriguing to hear. Unless what you search is that vintage sound produced for years of use and those old components.
With the Les Paul there was barely a difference. Strat was very different. Guessing the lack of mids stands out more
The difference in tone was stark using Wino.
The Tonemaster you play...The 64 you create with
Yeah, that Tone Master Super Reverb is above what people give credit for. Now with that, I would take the Tone Master. Also, yes the Deluxe reverb tone master blackface may not be up there with the original, but the Blonde version is definitely better. You guys should check that one out.
Thanks for watching and commenting! We will definitely add a Blonde Deluxe Reverb to the list then. I didn't realize there was any differences other than cosmetics.
@@brokenrecordguitarshow4462 oh no. It has a Celestion creamback speaker. More fine tuned EQ. Also takes pedals much better than the blackface version. Very convincing Deluxe. Also has the virtual brightcap removed.
Awesome thank you for bringing that to our attention! We will be on the lookout for one! Happy New Year - Andy
@@brokenrecordguitarshow4462 oh, you can get really close 9n that "drowning" reverb sound if you hit it with a touch of vibrato and turning your guitar's tone down. It is a really cool amp. You just need to play with it.
I can’t believe how mint that ‘64 super reverb is… I’m dying to know what you paid. That grill cloth couldn’t POSSIBLY be original… could it?
Hi Adam, Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes, it is actually the original grill clot! The story goes the original owner brought the amp home and it never moved until his passing. The family remembers him playing through it on occasion but it was rarely used. We found it locally and had to trade a very nice 62 Deluxe for it.
Tonemaster is not a Modeling Amp it is a new improved version of a Super Reverb . Modeling Amps have more than one version of amp like a Mustang IV . Tube Amps are OK if you want that sound but Tonemasters are real close in sound . Tube Amps are noisy at times need lots of maintenance and may not be able to get tubes for . I own both from 60's up to Tonemaster Super Reverb last purchase . Have a 1973 Traynor Sonax solid state 730G did not baby and still works, liked it so much picked up another 2 years later . Have a Fender Blues Deville all Tube 4 x 10 and new Super Reverb 4 x 10 that sounds pretty close and does not make your arms longer to carry. Depends on what type of music you play and guitars you use, that is why we have so many choices .
I bought the Tonemadter deluxe reverb and so far I’m not really impressed, I may have to return it, I’ll know better later in the week after i use it on some gigs, that the only real way to know. It does not have the beef of the tube original that much I can say. Reverb is kind of Meh, but I haven’t tried the firmware update yet, mainly 😅because the hid the usb 😊jack on the bottom of the chassis where it’s not even visible , dumb poor design move. Also after significant time trying out the ‘Attenuator’ I think it’s. Really just a master volume knob that’s notched at certain levels, it doesn’t SOUND like attenuation, so yeah, this may be a mistake on m part, but Sweetwater is good about returns…I will update this post later on….
These low volume demos aren’t valid in the real world of being onstage with loud drums bass and vocals, 2nd guitar player, horn section. 1 or 2 keyboard players, That’s The real test.
it's very noticeable, not sure if better or worse.
Is itjust me but I hear a word of difference. I'm an "all tube" man, for sure.
Tone??? All day the tube 64. I played the Tonemaster at a local shop. It was dull and lifeless to me
Also tube amps cut threw the mix better they hold there tone they don't die off like a modeling amp
Strat sounded better on Vintage ‘64. Les Paul sounded better on new TM.
Can’t get it to break up? Crank that sucker to 8-10. May be super loud but it should break up.
When one of the IR's goes out in that tone master, he'll be throwing it away.... a built-in attenuator and line-out won't matter when it's in the trash
Very true, you have to admire youthful optimism though! Thanks for watching and commenting!
How exactly does an IR go out?
@@andyorr1304 yeah that's what I want to know!
Lol an “IR” can’t go out. It’s software based.
Circuit's boards are easily replaced and replacing a chip is pretty simple as well. Can you imagine all the cars and trucks in the landfills if they weren't! SMH
No one can tell the tone difference when the band is playing. Get the Tonemaster and have fun.
These modelling amps including the tonemaster series sound allot like what they are modelling but they haven’t replicated the feel of playing a valve amp, the compression sag and delay that comes with pushing one.
The 64 will be around in 50 years but the modelling amp will break in 10 years and will be unfixable. Just fit for the trash. Disposable modern junk in my opinion. I would love that 64! 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting! The 64 will put a smile on my face every time!
@@brokenrecordguitarshow4462 so it should. It's a treasure!
There is no such thing as a super reverb that sucks.
you guys are barely playing anything... kinda hard to tell much.... crank those puppys and see what the difference is.... i'm sure if that was done the differences would be noticeable
It was a struggle to get a good recording of these at high volumes because they are just so loud and don't really break up the way the smaller amps do. We are learning as we go here and are looking at solutions for better audio but it's an expensive and time consuming trial and error process. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@brokenrecordguitarshow4462 Use an attenuator and crank it up. A Toneking Ironman II is rated for 100 Watts and sounds good even at high attenuation levels. It's expensive but it's worth it.