Demo of the North German Organ at Salem Lutheran, Wausau, WI
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Modeled after a 17th century design often used by Bach, the completely mechanical organ combines metal pipes manufactured in Germany with wood pipes and solid oak cabinetry crafted in the U.S. Organists are encouraged to listen to and play the instrument. Demonstrations are also available by making advance arrangements.
Brustpositiv
Gedeckt 8′ (wood)
Floit 4′ (wood)
Principal 2′
Quint 1½’
Terzian II 1⅗’ (double-draw with Quint)
Scharff III 2⅔’
Krumphorn 8′
Werck
Principal 16′ (1-7 from Quintadena)
Quintadena 16′
Octava 8′
Hohlfloit 8′
Octava 4′
Floit 4′
Nasat 3′
Octava 2′
Mixtur IV-VI 1½’
Cymbel III ½’
Trommet 8′
Rueckpositiv
Praestant I-II 8′ (1-7 common with Gedeckt)
Gedeckt 8′
Quintadena 8′
Octava 4′
Rohrfloit 4′
Ocatava 2′
Waldfoit 2′
Sesquialtera II 2⅔’
Scharff IV 1′
Dulcian 16′
Trechterregal 8′
Pedal
Principal 16′ (1-7 wood, in gross Pedal case; 8-30 from Werck)
Subbass 16′ (wood, in gross Pedal case)
Octava 8′ (from Werck)
Octava 4′ (from Werck)
Nachthorn 2′
Mixtur IV-VI 1½’
Posaun 16′ (in gross Pedal case)
Trommet 8′ (from Werck)
Cornet 2′
Tremulant (entire organ)
Cymbelstern
Vogelgesang
Couplers:
RP/W on keydesk - shove
W/P
RP/P
Optional wind stabilizers
Optional manual (by foot pedals) winding
Tuning: Kirnberger III, A 440
Manual compass 56 notes
Pedal compass 30 notes
Total of 2,511 pipes
Organ design mainly after 1680’s Schnitger. - เพลง
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This is a beautifull instrument. It has the lovely German tones I love so well without the harshness many others have. The voice is very clear that even a tone deaf person should be able to follow.
You're living my dream life lol. I'm a 19 year old organist, organ tuner, oboist and pianist. I'd love to travel and work with these instruments as a living.
You have great content! Keep making videos.
If I'd have known you were in Wisconsin, I'd have invited you to come play my home pipe organ.!
Ich war heute schoen im Himmel. Vielen dank!
Dear Balint, thanks for sharing this wonderful organ demonstration. Best, Stephan
Enjoyed the trip!
Nice demo. Thanks.
Thanks for the demonstration!
The Plenum at the end reminds me astonishingly of the Plenum of the Scherer-Organ in Tangermünde, especially because of the pedal reed. Striking!
This is awesome!
Very nice! Sorry to miss you when you were in Wisconsin.....
beautiful instrument.
It has a mildly uneven temperament, much like myself.
@Carson Myers - 😂😂😂👍
I’m not a musician and can’t even read music. But I listen to any organs, although some said that this organ has some weakness, I find the sound of this instrument very clean and precise. Really great and I preferred it to the Arnstadt organ.
voicing on this organ is unusually good for this type of replica
That's true. Sounds really like a 17th-cent. organ, not too much "neobarock". The unequal temperament is also very good and adequate. Greetings from Poland!
super
I now regularly play this instrument and this, along with your other videos showing your registrations on North German instruments have helped me a lot. I am curious about if there is a reason to use or not use the 3' HW Nasard with the HW Mixtures in a full principal chorus, I've gone both ways but notice you deciding to not use the 3' at the last second towards the end of the video with full organ. Thanks for your help!
Because the Nasard is usually a flute-scaled stop. Great plenum needs a Quinte not a Nasard
This is a real good replica, I love the sound of every stop on this organ and it sounds like the old North German organs indeed, with the slight out of tune sometimes
Always a pleasure to watch your presentations, Balint! How much time do you need to familiarize yourself with all these stops? You seem so well-versed with every organ you play. How do you know to use all these different combinations on all these different instruments? It’s amazing!! Thank you!🌺
Ich bin beeindruckt.
Diese Orgel klingt so gut, genau wie eine deutsche Orgel.
The krummhorn Sounds like a Regal
This organ has a very poor wind supply. it is quite wobbly and unstable. They need to add more weights to the swell bellow
Interesting, a little temperamental on the wind available. Arguably that was something Pappa Bach himself sought to have plenty of.
Is the ordering of your Hungarian name the Hungarian way or the European, American way?
When he knocked over the candle, picked it up and says the organ also has candles, That's how I am sometimes (turning something accidental into something goofy)
Surely it might be better to demonstrate individual stops before combinations? It was difficult to get an idea of what was going on.
I wanted to see the organ case next time, okay?
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@@jeffwhite4227 Thank you!
At last!-an organist who knows how to articulate the notes, so that we hear something more meaningful than a generalized mashed potato sound. Bravo!
This organ makes me feel a bit conflicted - very beautiful sounding, but the brightness of the mixtures seems a bit overdone, even for a real Schnitger. Is it any better in the room?
To be fair, probably the only good references Jaeckel had were the few large Schnitgers that Ahrend had restored by then (Stade, Norden, Lüdingworth), instruments like Hamburg or Groningen were still not available yet. I think the Stanford Fisk sort of has a similar problem - the mixtures sound very present, but also a little "flat". From that "school" of American organs of that time I've encountered, only Brombaugh and Noack organs don't have this problem.
But also makes examples like Göteborg, done just a decade later, really amazing. Also the work of Americans like Taylor & Boody, Fritts, Richard and Fowkes etc.
Thanks for this! This organ was voiced by Halbert Gober.
@@bkarosi Interesting, I've never played or heard a Hal Gober organ before!
TUNE IT!
It is in an unequal temperament!
It is in tune but has an in equal temperament. This would come down to the wind I would guess. It is common in many north German organs.
Bach as and organ consultant is said to have over come this issue by adding more wind to counter act this issue.
Nice replica of a North German organ, which must be my favorite style of organ.
Like the miss spelled "trommet" at the trumpet stop, which should be "trompete"in correct German writing.
No. Centuries ago a trumpet / trompet / trompete was mostely called trommet especially when refering to an organ stop.
No, in 17th & 18th century german organ building, the usual trumpet stop is called Trommet.
I don't see the name of the maker of this gorgeous instrument in the description...
Thanks for the reply, I'll take a look at his website!
The trumpet sounds more like reeds to me.
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Beautiful organ....but is is practical for today's worship standards? A stop-pulling assistant will always be needed for complicated pieces....
J.R. Zippie it is much better musically than most “standard” organs. You cannot play Vierne or Widor of course but there is much old and modern repertoire for this instrument
@@bkarosi ---Maybe one day you will be fortunate to have a registrant like Gert Von Hoef (he ended up marrying her-and now has a son)......😁
@@bkarosi and you can always improvise...
i do not see the need of one or more registrants as a disadvantage...
I think not. Sounds very nice, unlike so many of the neoclassic organs, built from the 50s-90s. I would not want to sacrifice all the great church music which wants a 19th century sound, but then in today's world, so few churches actually do real church music. The 4 hymn sandwich has taken a strong hold, not to mention much of the service music, or communion settings been substituted with hymns.......Then there is the bouncing ball on the jumbo tron.
lübecker marienkirche historische große orgel klang
The floating camera is making me sea sick.
No doubt this is a good instrument. But:
„… often used by Bach“ Bach played on this type of organ very rarely. In the region in wich he lived, a very different style was common, e.g. like the organ in Waltershausen
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Well, there's flexible wind support, but then there's wheezing like on this organ. Germans would call this "windsüchtig". It sounds awful when the notes drop down to their knees with every chord you play.
I will never understand why someone wants such bright mixtures! Piercing and not in a good way.
It sounds different when you are down in the church on the other end. These sharp mixtures, cymbels and schaff's are needed when the church is packed like on christmas eve
I don't think J.S. Bach would have appreciated the flexible wind.
A long time ago. I don't think he ever wrote down a condemnation of it. He did write that when he "proved" a large new organ as a consultant, that he required it to have sufficient wind. No wheezing. If you're going to have a 32' organ, a huge wind supply is needed. Otherwise, he would not have approved of it.
@@urbanviii6557 In those days full organ consisted all principal stops including mixtures and reeds. Flute-stops were left out because of their wind consumption (wide scaling).
@@andre26071955 True.
After having played in Arnstadt I am not so sure about a pure principal plenum on Thuringian organs. On North German and Dutch organs yes. Arnstadt had six 8' stops on the OW. Bach grew up on that instrument and he certainly pulled more than the principal chorus for the plenum...
@@bkarosiHow do we know this, and can you prove it?
I like the sound of this organ, but it seems like it's speaking into too small of a space, and there's not enough air volume to support the number of ranks? I think this may be a case where a virtual pipe organ (Hauptwerk console), might have been a wiser choice, given the size of the place. They could have tailored the reverb to simulate a much larger room, and cut maintenance costs dramatically. A real pipe organ is nice, but they do require constant attention to keep them in tune and operating properly. Unless it's a large church or someone has money to burn, it's not really feasible to install a NEW pipe organ into a small church, especially a historical tracker organ that requires a lot of attention.😉 That being said, thanks for the demo Balint!😁
You need to google the church and see the inside photos showing the large space, the poor sound you hear is due to the crummy mic and youtubes quality reduction and file cutting conversio process, plus listening to it artificially over your speakers...
It's impossible to determine how it sounds out in the room, they might be using a cell phone to record this.
I’m sorry this is a bad sounding organ. I’ve heard better 17th century style organs. The gedackt 8 of the first manual is one of the better sounding register.
I'd much prefer a Klais or Taylor and Boody, etc.
I don't see the point of installing such a *limiting and quirky instrument* in a church, where a church organist/recitalist should be able to play from a *wide and varied repertoire* spanning centuries.
Better in an academic/teaching institution, this awkward, mannered, and pretentious instrument.
Cretin
This is what they wanted, not a Wicks...
I see your point, but the church is Lutheran. So it's an appropriate denomination for something like this. I wouldn't want to play it either every Sunday, but I would like to have a go (after it was tuned).
@@thebog11 Yes, you're correct. And the tuning seems to be the main problem.
@@bobh5087 Sorry to seem dense, but do you mean the tuning *scheme* is the problem? Or just the fact that the reeds and double trebles are out of tune?