5 Lies Camera Companies Tell You (Picture This! Photography Podcast)
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Chelsea and Tony discuss 5 "lies" camera companies use to sell cameras. Are megapixels that important? Does your camera have the fastest AF? Hear their theories behind why numbers are exaggerated, tests are not trustworthy, and what it means for you, the consumer.
I watch camera conspiracies to know how I am being lied to
Hi, I watch Ted Forbes (The Art of Photography) for his history and artistic heritage vids; Thomas Heaton for his landscapes and others ,etc etc. But this channel has it all. You cover techniques; gear reviews; artistic and historic aspects; crystal-ball gazing; camera workings for so many models; editing ... ad infinitum. I am not saying you are perfect nor ever make mistakes - such is impossible. But I do know, from watching for quite some time, that you are uber reliable, informative, good-humoured, educative and trustworthy to a very high standard. I have learnt much - and continue to learn from what I consider to be the best all-round photographers' channel available. And, in case anyone thinks that means you are jacks of all trades but masters of none, I urge comparison with any other channel. I am so grateful this channel exists and I value it very highly. (This comment was not sponsored by anyone but I am always open to a few quid / dollars / yen / cakes / beer. :) ). Seriously, who has a better all-round channel? 1.2 million subscribers could be wrong but I believe they are not.
I wholeheartedly agree. Good on ya Tony & Chelsea - keep up the good work. And you get people talking about stuff, sometimes good stuff, in the comments that can be at times equally informative & entertaining.
I love photography but I’m currently just using my phone, due to other financial obligations. One day I’ll love to own a proper setup and you guys help keep that passion going. Thanks for the impartial content
If my business don't improve I'll have to sell all my equipment to live on and then do headshots by phone, better quality anyway :) :(
I've got a Nikon D750 and all the lenses but since getting the Huawei p20pro, it's been sitting in the back of my cupboard gathering dust
I hope you can save up and get a great camera.
Just a note: Mirrorless cameras using silent mode are silent. My Olympus EM5 MkII is so silent on silent mode that I can shoot continuously and nobody knows I pressed the button.
Also, all full frame 4k overheat. That's why companies like Sharp are going 8k on m4/3.
Nope my a7iii at oman's 45°c wasn't overheat
@@yourname91110 My A7R3 has never even got warm.
@@travis8665 too.
hey guys.. as a former White House News Photographer for CBS NEWS. was the pool guy most often on the weekend. but you were talking Silence.. well. I was there during film and digital days.. or years. Now.. the press office would yell out.. "LIGHTS" instantly the two lights they had up were turned off. this was the sign ... no more photos or video to be shot. Anyone seen still shooting or any still photographer making a shutter sound would have their White House ID card pulled.. no questions. no nothing. You were out instantly. The main White House ID is the highest in Wash. DC have this and you are admitted everywhere. the gold standard of You Have Arrived. I did for 12 yrs.. But yeah.. I learned to carry my small range finder 35mm LEICA.. totally silent.. always.. I kept two with me. for colour and B&W.
Now that is awesome.
if they tried that now , the reporter would cry , then sue the Whitehouse to get his pass back
@@scallen3841 Yup, then the mainstream media would run a story for 2 weeks saying "Trump the dictator is silencing journalists" We are so screwed..
@@euctrucker2488 It's already happened to a CNN reporter , he sued them to get his pass back .
I'll bet is was only the political party I don't like that did that! Those bastards!
Great list. I'll add that camera manufacturers seem to also frequently tell fibs about: battery life (# shots); ISO (fudging the values to make their images seem cleaner at the same reported ISO vs. competitors); wifi user experience (it sucks in real life); weather sealing (no standardized testing, how well it works varies a lot from camera to camera); accuracy of the live histogram (it's based on the processed JPEG incl. picture profile not the actual RAW sensor data).
Jon Grall I agree with the Wi-fi function the most! It’s useful but not as smooth and swift as they advertise. Still a nice additional feature :)
For sealing there is the Ingress Protection rating, unfortunately cameras can't really be tested for it because a camera body with no lens has a giant hole and not every lens is well sealed either.
TechnoBabble publishing the IP rating for common lens/body combos would be a good start, but manufacturers don’t even do that. Instead the marketing materials invariably show a symbolic splash of water hitting the camera with no detail on how well protected it actually is.
My general experience is that I get way more shots on a battery charge than what the manufacturer says, and I tend to hold down the shutter half way a lot (without actually shooting).
I must say, I watched your video about "5 Lies Camera Companies Tell You" with great amusement. Having been in advertising for 45 years (I just retired), I was a first-hand witness to all the lies advertising agencies will tell prospective buyers in a desperate attempt to boost client sales.
Whenever I watch TV with friends and commercials are shown, I often say, "That's a lie...that's a lie...that's a lie...and here's why they're all lies." From drastically retouching a local politician's photo to look younger and more appealing to voters, to creating out and out lies (oftentimes outrageous lies) in order to sell a product or service, ad agencies will gladly, even enthusiastically, lie because if they can push sales just a little further, they could earn a big bonus from the client.
Those "5 lies" are, in most probability, more like 50 lies...you just never realized where they were lying and/or had no way to put it to the test like you could with your "5 lies." The thing that always amused me the most was when camera ads boasted about megapixel counts (this is one point you missed altogether). You may have noticed an asterisk and teeny-tiny type at the bottom of the ad mentioning "effective megapixels." A 24 megapixel sensor might in actuality only have 20 (or less) "effective" megapixels. In other words, megapixels that can actually be used to record a photo. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that every digital camera you ever bought had much fewer "effective" megapixels than you thought you were getting.
I just want to point out a feature of quiet mode that isn't about how much noise the shutter/mirror makes. It's about how much vibration it causes. I was trying to shoot shots of the full moon at 300mm focal length on a crop sensor camera. This lens did not have image stabilization or VR. I could not get a tack sharp picture of the moon. Out of frustration I accidentally switched the dial to quiet mode and took a shot. It was sharp. I tried again. Sharp. I tried continuous quiet mode. All images were sharp. I went back to regular shutter speed. Not sharp. It seems that the mirror flip action combined with shutter speed causes enough of a slight vibration to throw off sharpness at far-reaching focal lengths.
In regards to 4K, you might get the resolution size of 4K, but you aren't going to get the added benefit of HDR, HDR 10 or Dolby Vision. Those have to be separately color graded and programed as an added overlay on the 4K video.
Well it isn't silent...that's what they said it was...they should have marketed it as "sharp" mode....lol
Thanks from this amateur. So relevant and more.
"Why would you need 12 frames per second if your subject is not moving." LOL
He was talking about subjects whose focus wouldn't change, like baseman, goalies and batters. Didn't you read? LoL to you!
I bought an XT-3 specifically to capture the excitement of paint drying. Apparently though it seems paint does not have enough contrast for the camera to focus properly.
@@listerdave1240 have you tried doing it with a macro lens? Trying to capture the texture of a paint as it dries?
Chelsea is freaking hilarious
Main thing to remember when reading specs for any technical kit - 'up to' starts from zero ;-)
Welcome to the world of marketing... It happens in all industries, even highly regulated ones,
Remember the emission claims for diesel by Audi/VW? They even put a program in the ECU to trick the test. Lying/misleading is part of corporate business these days. It sells product. They calculate the risk, and even if caught, the fine/consequence is usually worth the risk. So they do it. There is laws surrounding mis-leading marketing, but it is hard to claim that it doesn’t do it, if technically it can, so most people don’t challenge it and companies keep doing it!
I wouldn’t be surprised if companies challenge you on this, as stating that they comments are lies!
It happens in all industries? Are you suggesting that pharmaceutical companies might not be completely truthful that vaccines are totally safe and there is no possibilty of negative side effects?
Travis Kraft Possibly? ;)
Morning coffee and watching. Thank you for creating this content! I love the dynamic between you two and the info you bring. :D
God. How much money is Squarespace spending on TH-cam?
This comment is sponsored by Squarespace. Squarespace, your number 1 go to for a website ..... Man, it's got to be a ton of money. I assume they pay per referral as commission.
@@JumpingWatermelons You may be right, since they also have promotion codes and stuff.
Yes, is annoying....
Maybe it's annoying, but keep in mind these two have bills to pay just like the rest of us. They get to spend time producing this excellent "free" content (vs working a job) because of the backend money received by companies like Squarespace. And yes, they are getting paid everytime the coupon code is used. However, you get to choose who you'd like to support. Them or as @rotvonrat says "any shop". I choose them. Annoying, but understandable.
So much, that even if i wanted to make a website like that, i would not choose them.
I don't think you picked on the GoPro enough... The amazing videos they post on their website are COMPLETELY DECEPTIVE. They shoot in flat mode and in post processing sharpen and color grade for the final result. They also frequently use a gimbal for stabilization and almost always shoot in immaculate lighting conditions. An interesting vlog subject would be to critique "sample" photos and videos provided by various marketing departments and to explain why average Joe's don't get this in real life.
I get a kick out of the GoPro Max that shoots 4K at 1080P (which is 1/4 the resoluton of 4K).
YES! That would be such an awesome and informative topic to cover
Hi Tony & Chelsea. Really educational camera video. I had no idea (but should have guessed) all the mis-information claimed by camera companies. And how about computer companies claiming 8 hours of battery operation, when in fact it's more like 4-5 hours. I read their tests were done, surprise surprise, under optimal conditions with the internet turned off, screen lighting turned down to the minimum setting, etc.
And right, we live in a "We're #1" world. We're #1 in customer service. It's actually, "We're #1 in sales"(because of our misleading marketing campaigns). Whenever a company says "We're #1," I always think of what Chelsea said: "Shouldn't a third party decide this and NOT the manufacturer?" If we really want to know the quality and specs of a camera or any other product, then we should watch shows like yours, TH-cam reviews, Consumer Reports, and so on. Thank you guys for giving us a heads-up on camera company "lies." I bookmarked you!
I suggest you (as in everybody) just don't confuse megapixel with the level of detail. The megapixel advertised are true but this only means the resolution your image has, not the level of detail you can get out of it. The resolution of an image can enable higher amounts of detail, given high quality glass (as tony said), but the actual image is still the exact same amoutn of pixel in width and height no matter how bad your lens or level of detail is. Those "actual" megapixel you can get with a certain camera/lens combination only indicates how much you could scale down you image before you notice it. Just zoom in on any image you took and decide whether it is getting pixelated or soft first. If its soft, your lens is the limiting factor, if its pixelated, the sensor is.
Yes, you are correct. But I think they talking about color accuracy. Information captured per color.
Yes, but then they lie about “SuperRes” or whatever you call it. Pentax still says that their “PixelShift” resolution is still 24MPx/36MPx, while others will multiply their resolutions by four. The thing is, they are usually only half right. The image does have four times the pixels, but not unique pixels, in that there is a 50% overlap of neighbouring pixels. (Pentax has no overlap, since they shift a full pixel, and not a half pixel, and their final image is made up of four 24MPx/36MPx images, but the pixels align, leaving a 24MPx/36MPx image with increased details, due to lack of Bayer Transform Approximations.
So, yes, they do speak half-truth -i.e., lies- about megapixels, (except Pentax).
I have 2 pretzels if you want to buy them.
Also, my Canon has a silent mode. very simple to use, you switch the lever from ON to OFF! Canon is so far ahead of the game!
LMAO good one
My favorite lie is when car manufacturers say 30mpg but on your best day you can barely get 7
I love Tony and Chelsea, so funny and Inteligent! Always a good time watching their videos!!
OK, Chelsea now you did it! I'm one of your most loyal listeners and I'm 75 AND a grandmother! 🤨😤😖 Little old ladies are mentally all right - usually...
YOu're so right, Jody! Grandma's are the coolest and I was a fool for suggesting otherwise
@@TonyAndChelsea When I turn 75, I'm getting a tattoo of Tony on my back.
@@DJModsChannel A bit much but very well, carry on.
"Usually" 🤔
Great sense of humor! 👌🤣
You guys are so honest and grounded. Wish half my day was as balanced. Well done.
My Fujifilm cameras DO have a silent mode. Set the camera to silent and set the shutter to electronic, and the camera is totally silent. In fact, recently I had forgotten that my camera was set for silence and when I tried to take a picture I thought the camera was broken. When I realized my mistake, I checked my memory card and found that while I was fooling around trying to figure out why the camera was broken, I had actually shot five pictures.
Guys, you are soo nice to listen, so much good attitude there.Thank you for those great smiles and very-nice yo hear conversation.
OK normally I don't point out errors you make but you said its rare that a photographer would be in a situation that they could take advantage of the full FPS when shooting sports. As a former sports photographer here are a few really regular scenarios that I used my max FPS.
1. Shooting baseball and having the camera locked on second base catching a stolen base.
2. Mounting your camera above a backboard when shooing basketball to catch those cool overhead shots.
3. Shooting locked on to a goalie for either hockey or soccer, especially during shootouts or penalty shots because even though they move left or right they often stay on a flat plane.
4. Shooting the tipoff in Basketball.
5. Shooting a serve in tennis.
6. Gymnastics shooting the rings. I think you get the point, any situation were the athletic action is stationary you can use those high frame rates and the quickest and easiest way to switch modes is to just toggle the focusing switch to manual on your lens for that shot and get your true as advertised FPS.
Just a critique not a criticism and I love your channel. Congrats on the One Million subs.
Best, Larry
TodayIFeelLike this was so nicely said.. I feel like you never see a “correcting” comment that’s nice 😂😂
Spoken like a true Pro.
K. Garcia Productions Tony did say if you’re shooting a stationary subject or if you’re shooting something in the studio then you can use burst with no AF-C. But the point he’s trying to make is for most people when they look at this camera with 30fps, they’re gonna be thinking about bringing it to shoot a soccer game or something, when people are running back and forth, and they’re not getting the expected results. The things you listed are all valid, but if you are pro enough to rig your camera to shoot tip-off in basketball, you would know to research your camera before you buy it, but the average consumer won’t.
Thank you I appreciate that. I didn't want to be a jerk in my comment I just wanted to correct the mistake.
Most YT photographers shoot portrait and landscape 99% off the time. They base thier advise on that. I was at an indoor event on time and a photographer asked me for help, his photos were blurry. OMG I said you are on ISO 100. Crank that to 2000, or set it to ISO A, I said. NO they explain they had seen YT videos and were sure ISO 100 "provided the best quality photo".
"If you took a pretzel and broke it in half and said now you have two." LOL
Thanks for the video guys , excellent as always :-) A couple of points , 1) you can get really close ( feeding from your hand) to a Humming bird , so it's possible to use your phone to take photos. 2) The max FPS can be useful and achieved in manual focus when the subject is by all accounts stationary, eg. a bird on a perch flapping wings , moving its head etc. Keep up the good work :-)
Fantastic episode you guys. You’re really the stuff!! Such valuable information.
Chelsea you were on fire in this video. You are so funny, I couldn't stop laughing. A great video guys. Those sneaky manufacturers, I would not trust any of them.
My Samsung NX1 does 4K video without cropping any of the sensor. It's fantastic that I get that from a camera that was made in 2014. I love the camera so much. I just got it but it's already the best camera I have ever owned. It uses the H.265 video codec and it doesn't overheat ever. That means that my files are have the size and hold 4 times as much detail as other cameras using the H.264 video codec. It is just an awesome camera and even the autofocus system is just as good as modern cameras. I highly recommend the Samsung NX1 camera.
I graduated from Ringling School Barton design a little bit ago and you guys are very helpful in starting a business and helping with the fine details and the insights into a different cameras lenses and the capacities of each and your phone, poor viewpoints thank you and continue your work
How about “you’ve got to get a 4K TV to watch football.” Sports channels realize the best output from most cable boxes is “1080i” so they transmit football game coverage at “720p” because interlaced video does not render fast motion as well as progressive video. The best performance your expensive TV can deliver is from the over-the-air signal, but only when the station actually transmits in 1080p (which is not all the time).
and preferably they would actually broadcast in 4K but nah
In America, I do not think any TV station transmits in 1080p… yet. The problem is bandwidth allocation per OTA channel. There are tradeoffs in every area. My local Fox channel transmits 720p, as they are big on local sports. All other channels transmit at 1080i. Current American FCC regulations are such that their is a technical limit preventing 1080p, but the FCC is working on it, and hopefully, will one day have OTA UHD (with improved compression algorithms, to lower bandwidth).
Currently, the only way of getting true FHD at 1080p is from a computer or Blu-ray Disc. Currently, the only way to get UHD is from a computing device (such as Chromecast, AppleTV, Roku, computer, etc.). Even cable/satellite do not offer UHD as yet.
I couldn't believe it when Fuji was advertising the X-T100 and that it HAD 4K VIDEO RECORDING!!! but at 15 fps hahahaha
Great review - thank you for revealing the technical details behind the M- false claims...
Thank you very much Tony & Chelsea for the valuable information.
My favourite is the "2 stops better low light performance at iso 6 million or sth"
That's the reason i test the camera myself and not rely on other people.
According to Nikon manuals on silent mode:
"The mirror stays up while the shutter-release button is pressed all the way down. The mirror is lowered (more quietly than in single-frame mode) only when the shutter-release button returns to the halfway position, allowing you to control the timing of the click made by the mirror."
So it's not silent as in "no sound", but in that you can control when the mirror is lowered again, which can be more discrete than the up & down in short succession that occurs in regular shooting mode.
I thought the Megapixel part of the conversation was hysterical!
After spending a lifetime in the photo industry I remembered my years as a photo processor were we would tell young photographers who would bring in their shots that where out of focus!
On these occasions we would tell them that the next time they brought in their film to ask whoever was processing it to add “SHARPENOL”to the developer! 😂😂😂
Hey Tony, the "cone of silence" worked for Max Smart (086), DIDN'T IT?
We should Mention that the "Silent mode" on cameras starting with the α7S really is silent :)...
Megapixels is a number that only states the amount of pixels and thus the resolution of the pictures (actual files) your camera will produce. What color these pixels (on your sensor) record or if they actually make your pictures sharp has nothing to do with that...it’s still the same number of pixels...
So with sensorshift (or is it pixelshift ?) the sensor doesn’t increase in megapixels, but the final picture could.
Perceivable megapixels is just an indicator of the quality of a lens you put in front of a sensor...
The fact that people don’t know or understand this, is not the manufacturer fault. Consumers want to know the megapixel count, so it’s probably emphasized because of it... (My first digital camera ever, didn’t record audio, with the videos...so when I went to buy a new camera, I asked if this one did. The answer:”I don’t know, but it does have Megapixel !”).
High FPS without continues auto focus could be used to get sharp hand held pictures with slow shutter speeds.
And fast auto focus with still subjects could also come in handy for candid shots. Most people who see me take a shot, start moving at that moment...so if auto focus is quick enough to focus BEFORE the subject starts moving, could in a handful of cases in a couple of years come in handy.
The problem, I think, is that most consumers nowadays believe they know what they are talking about and manufacturers tell them exactly what they want to hear. As long as you don’t ask for more...because then they buy something else (from a different manufacturer, that does give them what they want...).
I would suggest that the bigger problem is the consumers ignorance and unwillingness to educate themselves.
So yes...it’s most definitely misleading advertisement. But they need to, to sell their products...
This isn't solely related to cameras, but in general a lot of electronics like to push the idea of:
* "Water resistant", or "Water proof to 5 feet in under 1 second", or something similarly deceptive. Basically a trick to say "You can get this wet, and it _might_ not die." For reference, look at most "water proof" items, then look at a decent quality scuba watch. The difference is noticeable.
* Drop tests where it shows the product leaving someones hand, and a jump cut to it falling to the ground. It will include a line about it "survives accidental falls up to 1 foot", or something similar, to imply it's highly durable. In both shots, the product technically only dropped the listed foot, but the video makes it _seem_ like it dropped from 5 feet or more. Some companies reword this to "from a great height", or similar. If you see an uncut video of them throwing it off a roof, ladder, etc. assume that they did multiple takes and went with the take where the item actually survived. They don't need to disclose if it's only 1 out of 100.
* "Helps protect against..." implies that it _does_ prevent X, whether it be fog, snow, viruses, cracks, or whatever, but may actually do absolutely nothing. The idea is that the device _might_ have the *potential* to do something, but that it is not a guaranteed. Even if the tag line is immediately followed by "Manufacturer guaranteed!" It's a separate sentence, so it's ambiguous enough to mean the manufacturer guarantees that the product is the product, but *does not* guarantee that their _claim_ about the product or it's _suitability_ for applications X, Y, or Z.
* "Made in America." The parts were molded, tested, and partially assembled somewhere else. The final screws may have been twisted into place on American soil. By prisoners in a privately run prison. Very few, if factories make products in America from start to finish. Most that do still get their raw materials from elsewhere. From what I understand, this tag line can also sometimes just be in reference to where product _research and design_ took place. Example: K-3 visa engineers may have drawn up a blueprint on American soil, then had it created elsewhere; I believe there has been increased regulation against that specific type of deception, though.
Chelsea is so funny 😂 she genuinely makes me laugh sometimes
Yes , Bebedje , Chelsi is a delight .
Chelsi and Tony do make a good couple .
meh if this was a Tony only channel I would not complain
She is also gorgeous.. that helps!
Beberdje sameeee I did an interview with her on my channel and she was literally the BESTTTT
She's absolutely hilarious. I remember when that arrogant guest was on, the one who doesn't ever crop (because professional photographers don't crop). Chelsea made some funny comment and he said, "I wouldn't say that". Chelsea casually came back with, "I just did". I couldn't stop laughing.
I watch these videos for the Squarespace segues. I don't even own a camera.
HAHAHA "like breaking a Brezel into half and saying you have two" best comparison ever... love you guys!
NEED more of this PLEASE, with most photography, paying money for a camera is really big deal with them, after work hard month by month for the money. Thanks for sharing ab the half of truth.
I'm surprised they don't claim "The worlds most expensive camera" because we all know that the higher the price the better your pictures will be.
Leica
More expensive, most megapixels and newest. A winning combo.
Megapixels are just the manufacturers "theoretical megapixels" after taxes lol
@0.40 Chelsea was going to say “dope ass website.” 😂😂😂
Very true and very well done! Camera manufacturers are taking the consumers for a ride because consumers are easily falling pray to these gimmicks and they know the consumer mentality. People should take them to court.
How come you didn't include the FF equivalent lenses? When Olympus puts a dinky little thing next to a 600 f4, claiming it does the same thing...
I don't see that as a lie. It is a 600mm equivalent focal length and is f/4 in terms of exposure. Where do they make any claims about DOF? If anyone thinks a 300mm lens can give the same shallow DOF as a 600mm lens at the same aperture and subject distance then they need to go back to photography school.
@@cooloox But that's where it's misleading. In case you weren't watching, this is just like the "full frame and can shoot in 4K." Olympus and Panasonic keep harping on how you get double the focal length but stay silent on the effect on depth of field. And for your information, most people who buy cameras haven't gone to photography school, which is why camera manufacturers are so eager to use deceptive ads and claims.
@@cooloox It will also result in significantly worse IQ, both in terms of noise and resolution. That's why it's deceptive. If they compared it to a 400 5.6 with a 1.4x TC or a 150-600, fine, do it. But that's not the case. Exposure settings are irrelevant when comparing different formats.
@@cooloox people like you are the reason they get away with this lol
As a working photographer and a teacher of photography and well have a TH-cam channel soon when I get the time, exposure is the same despite the formate, e.g. a 50mm f1.8 lens, well produces the same size image, the only difference is, that with different formats the image is croped so the field of view is different, not the exposure, and it's the same with DOF, e.g. on m4/3 a 25mm lens well look like a 50mm on ff but you can't compair the DFO cos your compairing a 50mm lens to a 25mm lens of course the 50mm is going to have a shallower DFO, and as for image quality, this is where things get tricky, I had other photographers working with me at a big wedding , we shoot with all different formats m4/3 APSC and FF, and at the end of the day we could not tell what images where shoot on what formate.
In my experience over the years working as a wedding photographer, some cameras meter differently and some lenses have different T values, but the only thing that changes with different formats, is the field if view not the exposure, and the DOF is different cos your use different focal length to compensate for the crop factor, and wider angle lenses give you a greater DOF.
So, an advertized 24MP sensor is actually using 4 times 6MP photosites with 2 for green, 1 for red and 1 for blue (Bayer filter)? Is there some computing that is made by the camera to extrapolate the value of the missing pixel (the one between 2 reds, 2 blues and 4 greens) to give us a file with 24 actual MP, each having an RGB value of X bits with half of them being extrapolated? I think this would deserve a video in itself. I mean to explain how a camera sensor works actually.
The important part here is to realize that for details the colors do not matter that much. You basically have a 24MP grayscale picture showing fine details, with 6MP color data. (of which the intensity is already mostly captured in the grayscale picture)
So a sensor with 24MP sensor for red green and blue will have more detail. But not the difference you would expect between 6MP and 24MP.
I haven't seen good comparisons though. I would be interesting to the difference. I think it would probably look like a 24MP vs 18MP.
Yes. It is called the Bayer Transform Approximation, and there are several ways of doing it, with different results, varying from picture content. A sensor with a colour filter array (CFA) such as the Bayer CFA or the X-Trans CFA does NOT capture all the intensity data, either. The CFA transform approximation has to estimate both the intensity, and the colour.
For instance, on green grass, the blue and red pixels reads nothing. In a red rose, the blue and green pixels read nothing. On a blue,… er,… um,… ah! …blue towel, the red and green pixels read nothing. Therefore, to capture the details in the towel, the rose, or the grass, even in B&W, requires a CFA transform approximation.
To be clear, your raw file does NOT have a CFA transform approximation applied, and in a real raw processor, one can see what it looks like without a TA applied, or what different algorithms for the TA might look like.
@@KarimHosein actually on green grass the blue and red pixels do record something at a lower intensity, as the pixels are sensitive to a fairly wide bandwith that overlap quite a bit. Just like with human eyes. But it becomes quite complex to explain in just text
@@marcdevries9027 , true. I was not being literal when I said, “nothing”, but, as you pointed out, it is not a real record of the actual intensity level, but a lower intensity, and a transform approximation will still have to be applied. That is why the Leica M has so much better resolution of detail; it does not do a BTA, since it does not have a CFA. In fact, it does not have a OLPF either, as neither one is needed for B&W imaging.
There is a company which will happily transform ones camera into a B&W camera, by first removing the OLPF and CFA, then replacing it with a flat optical film of equivalent thickness, (for getting precise focusing from the PDAF system). One then skips the Demosaicing process in the develop module, and, viola! High detail B&W!
That cannot be done otherwise, due to the BTA.
@@KarimHosein That's really interesting. I found the company you are talking about from another post you made about it on quora.com three years back: maxmax.com
Their 30D before and after comparison is really impressive. But that's a VERY old 8MP camera, so it's the best case scenario. Nowadays with sensors having so much more megapixels, the lenses are more of a limiting factor in the detail level and the detail level lost because of the bayer filter is a lot lower.
When I look at the Nikon D800 B&W samples the difference is really small. The "after" picture seems to have some post-processing on it. (or has different lighting) But there isn't any actual extra detail in that short compared to the before shot.
The same for the "Fujimonochrome". You can see a tiny bit of extra detail, but it's splitting hairs at 100% crop. The difference is far smaller than I expected. And considering the high price for converting a camera to monochrome I really wonder which people will think it worth the money.
Still really interesting to see a company is doing this.
Amazing video,definitely giving me hints for my next photography tutorial and photoshoot!👌
So, I just started making my Square Space website, bought my domain, etc., and I'm not finding this quite as easy to do as you make it seem (for a complete novice), though I recognize I still have it pretty easy. I think You two should set-up a demonstrational Square Space account, and walk your viewers through the process. I think That would be a great video, and I trust Square Space would approve!
All companies lie... it is called Marketing.
You should have mentioned that Sony and other mirrorless manufacturers didnt lie about silent mode/silentshutter. All you hear is the Aperture closing down, if you arent Shooting wide open
Yea I totally agree. He should’ve mentioned that. However, it’s not like Sony’s silent shooting is perfect. Sony didn’t tell us that the a9 silent shooting doesn’t work when syncing with flash. That’s what kept most wedding photographers from buying one. But yes, he should’ve said something about Sony’s silent shooting.
@@changleon7441 well. They Said it. Not the first thing to mention, and honestly the Situations where flash and silent become useful are rare, but it is what it says it is, whereas canons silent mode is down right missleading. They could have called it whispermode or dampened mode but decided to go with a lie
Agree here. I have an Oly E-M1 and silent mode is pretty much silent. I can't even hear the aperture sound you mentioned.
i noticed some lenses have a "louder" one, which still is barely audible, than others, also , depends on mode. in some modes and situations, your lens will be stopped down already, then there is no Sound at all. Ithe aperture of my 85 1.2, Closing down all the way from 1.2 to f16 is noticable, a Little bit , the Sigma 60 2.8 stopping down to f5.6, barely
@@MrPhilbautista
Actually the truth is the mechanical shutter isn’t silent, its using an electronic “shutter” which has its own drawbacks. So its a half truth.
Love the humor in this one. Much more entertaining than previous podcasts.
How refreshing to see how the world really works. Keep it up. Love the presentation.
Lie #1 "Mirrorless Re-invented"
Prashant Gaikwad
Nikon, *LOL*
Silent mode sounds louder than regular mode...
ausmarc1 accurate
Not on fujifilm cameras. Silent mode is a real thing
@@JoeLopez I was mostly referring to the video. I have a 5D Mark IV and silent mode is very marginally quieter than normal mode.
I don't doubt that some cameras have true silent shooting though.
Marc McConnell My friend this is the “ Sound of Silence”, the famous song !
The real question is that most Photographers who do not practice Sports, Racing or Wild Nature will never ever be concerned about shooting speed per second and number of Megapixels !
Thanks for the video Tony and Chelsea!!
Thanks for the info, great job
I didn't hear the silent mode at all :) On a side note, that new Spiderman multiverse movie looks very jerky, like it was filmed in 15 fps on the Fuji ;)
I expected you to make a guest appearance in this video. Lies and cameras, totally your subject area.
24:34 🤣🤣🤣
I think the new Spiderman was going for a vintage, pseudo 4-color look.
You crack me up 😆 😂
Lol!!!
You're the best.
Which Lightroom model should I buy guys, I heard there was a combo photo shop Lightroom package and also folks having trouble with a few editions of L/R
I was a mechanic/optic engineer P.E. with Bell & Howell in the early 1960’s doing NASA projects. We also make inexpensive camera’s like Super 8 movie cameras. My favorite was the “Foton 35 mm.” It was the first motor drive 35mm camera. It was a spring mechanical motor drive. It also had a iris shudder so it was so silent that it was court room Qualified.
Lastly, we tested ALL lens we made. From the 10” in diameter lens for the U-2 and SR-70 for HYCON cameras to the Super 8 movie camera. All the lens could resolve more lines than any of the films that they could ever use.
Did your watch just say 02:04am?! Dedication.
Edit: just remembered the 12-hour clock, used to 24hr. Not so dedicated 😂😂
PhotoDude TechFreak not sure I follow the point of your reply? I know how to read a 24 hour clock, it was the fact I’m used to 24 hour not 12, and Tony’s watch said 02:04 which to me is 2am, hence the dedication comment.
PhotoDude TechFreak I definitely prefer 24 hour time, and it stops silly issues like me thinking this video was filmed at 02:04am 😂
My name is Kevin and I accept your apology
Another great podcast, learned a few things along the way. About the FPS, I was wondering if picture size might also affect it, such as having max pic size selected in both jpeg and raw capture mode, not to mention the speed rating of your SD card, might these factors also play a hand?
You guys are great team. Thanks.
+1 for Chelsea being the World's coolest youtuber.
Not to forget at Chelsea's own testing - that's the most important point! :D
Dunno if she's the coolest, but she's just about the cutest. Especially with her laugh.
Hence, the birth of the "asterisk".
John Dikmen the asterisk was created at the same time as the first marketing campaign... lol
That last example with the humming bird is probably the phone taking a photo of a photo which in turn was taken by a much better camera :P
First off, compliments for a great series of videos -- you both set a mark for professionalism and quality of content few others match.
Wondering, as you do, how and why some of the more perplexing design decisions are made, and how a respected company can make the claims they do, I sometimes imagine a design team meeting in a boardroom with engineers, production people, lawyers, accountants, marketing and research specialists, and maybe even an ethics person whose job it is to keep everyone apprised of how a proposed course of action is apt to be viewed by the public. Every person in attendance is apt to have a requirement in conflict with someone else in the room, excellence not always being compatible with profit. Compromise will be the rule of the day and the bottom line is that a camera must be produced that is competitive with the offerings of other manufacturers in a particular niche. The controlling standard, when it comes to performance and feature claims, is going to be the defensible-rationale. In other words, the supposed specifications will have to be competitive with the claims the competition is making, and so long as it's possible to offer a defensible argument supporting the claim, there will be no question of ethics...
Basically, cameras are lightproof boxes with glassed holes. So what do you expect from people selling such nonsense? Marketing is art, not science ;)
Oh so true. This is why marketing departments have such a different culture vs. engineering.
The problem with advertising cameras is just the opposite: they have to advertise something incredibly complicated involving a lot of electronics and physics to people who will not understand those things and make those things appealing to them
Frog FWK Well... Yeah... Now it makes sense why assholes sell glassed holes, they’re basically related.
@@dasaauto2024 That's rude - are we still talking cameras or real estate now?
Frog FWK Does a submarine count as real estate? I suppose it depends on where you park it. 🤷🏻♀️
Lower end P&S cameras are pretty much all diffraction limited, so the effective resolution is rarely close to the sensor's physical pixels. Back in the early digital audio days, we used to look at the actual signal-to-noise ratio to rate an audio chip in terms of actual bits vs. marketing bits of resolution. So today, you have cameras with 8 real megapixels and an additional 12 marketing megapixels. I'm sure that applies to many kit lenses, too.
Thank you! Talking about these issues before watching this video get me into a lot of trouble with my fellow photographers.
Nicely done. Good for a Saturday morning smile.
"silent mode" as shown.. Nikon call it "Quiet mode", so it not an half truth XD
Foveon by Sigma was a good idea that didn't take off. Could you do a show on that technology?
Foveon was killed by the fashion for high ISO performance. Compare with film speeds and Foveon still holds up.
they also lie about their Mpx, by claiming twice as many as in the final image. Yes, 4Mpx, plus 4Mpx, plus 4Mpx does equal 12Mpx, but they are stacked on top of each other, such that the final image only has 4Mpx.
I think you guys made a bit of a mess with the sensor diagram and the subpixels counting. Coming from Tony, this video made me doubt of my understanding.
You are right when you say that the sensor have small subpixels sensitive to different colors; 2 for green, 1 for blue and 1 for red. But you're wrong assuming that those are part of the total counting of the 24MPx of the sensor. The counting of pixels doesn't work like that. Every pixel in those 24MPx contain 4 subpixels. By definition a pixel must be able to represent the full color gamut of the sensor.
So, if you were counting subpixels as you are doing in your video, for our 24MPx sensor, you would have 48 Megasubpixels for green, 24 Megasubpixels for blue and 24 Megasubpixels for red.
that didn't fit their agenda (lie)
Enjoyed the video! Keep em coming.
Sounds like Tony & Chelsea need to take a course in color theory when it comes to pixels.
Since Chelsea is the Queen of Segue,
shouldn’t the SquareSpace coupon code be “Chelsea” instead of “Tony?”
Half of the world's population is dumber than the average person. Those people can't spell Chelsea.
2.5 fps is too low for the Zs. They do have some issues, but I have had it in hands for fast movement of a few people now. We averaged around 60-70% super sharp, with another 10% being okay'ish. I have seen similar results from others. I know you guys are pros, but your experience is so different from what Inhave experienced, i am wondering if you might just benefit from more time with them. I honestly fucked up a lot of pics on day one, two three. After a month, most problems disappeared by understanding the cam. Granted, other cams came faster, but really, your experience is so different from that of others. You should probably lobby the companies for more time or better counseling with best practices. I know i needed that and the time... Maybe that changes the experience?
this was i always talking about ever since...good point tony & chel.
How about "waterproof" point and shoot cameras? It would seem that if they say waterproof to xx feet on the box, then you can put it in water up to the depth rating. But then if you read the very fine print on the warranty, water damage is not covered!!!
That is like having a lifetime guarantee for the life of the product.
Lie #1: Nikon Z6 & Z7 are weatherproof.
Oh yes, they're weathersealed for sunshine! Ask Nikon or read the notes in the manual! The information in the operating instructions must be strictly observed: Temperature 0 to 40°C/32 to 104°F, maximum 85% humidity (no condensation)! Rain means 100% humidity and condensation! The warranty expires when used in rain or even in high humidity. Fine water droplets penetrate. Easiest by the microphone on top! The camera does not turn off immediately. It corrodes and dies slowly. Try to get a new one. LOL
Pentax. Done
People who did real test concluded.
"Nikon Z7's weather sealing is at the top of the class among full-frame mirrorless cameras we've tested to date... it handled heavy rain for a total of 105 minutes etc."
Chelsea At 24:40 "yeah, this is showing off a different feature... like how to share pictures you took with the different camera"
......so funny I spit out my coke....lol...outstanding!!
Very informative video. My motto concerning megapixels: "Glass over Body" .
One Question !! Where is " Pixel" ??? 😊
@Art D: Pixel? He's mega!
Don't mirrorless cameras have actual silent modes? Obviously SLRs can't have silent modes? I guess I need to do more research?
most of the high end sony full frames do now yes
They do, my Fuji is completely quiet when shooting in silent mode.
There's still the focal plane shutter flapping around...
@Ron Manke, alI can say is that the Sony A9 seems silent if you use the electronic shutter. Normally that’s great, but I have sometimes come home to find that I took a lot of unwanted pictures of the ground or sky by accident. Some people in really critically quiet situations have pointed out that your lens’s focus motor can make audible noise if you have continuous autofocus on.
@@stuartschaffner9744 Good to know. My main question was related to the fact that in the video they stated that silent shooting is not silent. Which is obviously incorrect if you're using a mirrorless camera? They specifically stated it was a major marketing myth.
Finally we have real silent mode with electronic shutter
Loved it ! I'm guessing ..all these marketing gimiks originating from the heads of the marketing teams that they spend millions on rather than the technical team who actually makes the cameras.
is marketing and also development teams, you will never sell last years camera with the same features again if you don't put something "new" many times are features that the camera already have and a new firmware releases and maybe on the day they put it was the "best" but when you release it is not tottally true, for example the osmo pocket released for the "testers" was 120fps but on the specs released in the site for preorders was just 60fps and after the testers get a lot of criticism about the "lie" on the reviews osmo released a firmware update to get the 120fps on all the models and the idea behing that as some say was to sell in the next year the osmo pocket II with 120fps the same gadget with maybe different color exterior.
I would rather have the worlds most accurate autofocus 🙏🏼😜
'specially on the red bit. 😎
This is great one! Canon is most misleading and Sony is 2nd.:-)
Regarding silent mode... If you are shooting in continuous mode, as you did... There will be no difference (or silence)... Most of the sound is from the movement of the mirror... Silent mode lets you take the picture with only the sound of the mirror moving up and the shutter... Then you decide, at a later point, to release the shutter button, and release the sound of the mirror to move into its original place... If you want to shoot silently, there is the option of using MUP mode and electronic shutter on most high-end DSLRs...
I like the way Olympus advertised their autofocus. They say it’s “fast AF” lol
Noticed JP doesn’t drop F bombs in his vids. Why did he go all Gary Vee on your vid?
I was thinking the same thing. It wasn't like he was doing it casually either. He was dropping them emphatically.
I'm a JP fan also, but honestly the whole dynamic between the 3 of them wasnt good. He tried to establish himself as alpha and it didnt help that Chelsea kept laughing with him. It was obvious Tony wasnt comfortable. Polin is clearly still salty about the whole raw vs jpeg BS
Money. Start throwing F-bombs and the video gets demonetized. Unless Tony edited out Jared's F-bombs on the livestream recording it will get demonetized.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Is the Northrop's YT vids monetized through YT/Google though? They might receive money/support from Squarespace, however I believe that is a different matter. Is Jared's YT vids monetized? Have you listened to Jared's podcasts? He drops the F-bomb in them, some more often than others.
@@akirafan28 Yup I listen to the Daily Fro and he does cuss much more freely on there as those aren't monetized TH-cam videos. While I cannot say without a doubt Fro and Tony monetize all their TH-cam videos I so no reason why they would simply avoid that revenue stream. I have TH-cam premium so I don't see ads but for anyone that doesn't have TH-cam Premium can say if they see ads before videos start then we would know the video is likely monetized. It just just a secondary way to earn income in addition to the main sponsor of the videos.