@@AFIoridaman He's got 85 berries at end of video, 1 forester being built to do trees.... though he needs to plant more berry bushes and be prepositioned for the inevitable bad tide that'll wipe out all the berry bushes.... and no breeding pods built. Yeah... I'd say it's a race against time.
I liked playing the tiny map. The key is to don't overbuild in the early stages--keep everything down to one building max and your population very low. Once you get to where you have a comfortable stockpile of resources, then you build in the barren areas and think about how to combat the badtide seasons. I went with blowing out the back of that stream near the waterfall and diverting water out that way when it happens. I then went nuts and turned the "poo water" area into my industrial zone while I went on a plan to divert clean water to "greenify" the barren lands on the other side. It was fun and calming because I wasn't in dire straits of maintaining a large colony.
@@tommerker8063 I think that was around the same amount of beavers I had as well. I got the happiness up to around mid 40s so I figured I did a good job.
7 beavers consume practically no food and water. You can store up water in the wet season, and leave the pumps off the rest of the time. 1 farmer is more than enough, and you can turn the farm off for ages with no problems. Also, no need for dinamite to divert the water. Just build levies around the water source, and raise the floodgates to divert it off the map, you can do it very early in the game. Edit: I had the exact same idea with the badwater source, I even platformed over the river to make more space for the industrial area
I see 2 critical issues for your near future. Hard does *not* fuck around. 1. You haven't built a breeding pod yet. You need at *least* one. 2. You need around 6 water storages and 2-3 pumps for early game. You should try to have 20 water storage per beaver in your colony as soon as possible. Beavers drink 2 water per day and early game droughts get up to 10 days *quick*. You'll want to eventually get that up to 60 storage per beaver (30 day droughts). You can relax that a bit if you get a sizeable dam going. You correctly identified wood as an early problem and you are doing well on addressing it. Diorama is the biggest wood crunch in the vanilla maps. If you want an enormous challenge after this, I recommend finding the "Tiny Island" map. That one is a true joy to play. Edit to Add: Don't forget you can build cheap early game bridges out of the single block storages. They let water pass through them. You can pick up the wood from demolishing them when you get a log storage going.
He should be fine with two pumps if he bumps up his working hours to 18. They have nothing to do with free time so he doesnt have any benefits by limiting his work hours.
I just discovered Timberborners, saw an episode with poopwater volcano or something, so I've started working my way through the movie supercuts. Glad to catch the start of a season!
Some thoughts from me: - You can turn the Bad Tide into a Drought, if you just funnel the water off-map. That is probably the best idea to deal with them. Bad Water is worse than no water. - If you build multiple inventors, consider a graduating priority. One highest, one high, one medium, one low. That way the mostly use leftover beavers. - according to the wiki, tree Spawning is not diagonal and not increased by nearby trees. I can't think of a pattern that leaves 2 spaces without empty spots, so I guess a checker-board pattern is the solution? - if you had a builder hut, you could make all builder jobs except 1-2 low priority. So the builders automatically go for better jobs - build the slowest tree the furthest back. Beavers don't need to go often to slow growers. But often to fast growers.
I put my inventors, 1 high priority (not very high, that's for essentials like food and water), all the rest at very low priority since only one is necessary but any extra beavers can amplify progression.
Damn Matt, you almost looked competent here ! Almost. Where are the bredding pods ? Also, you don't need to divert the bad tides if you create a permanent green space on top of those hills. Should be safe from contamination AND unaffected by draught. All you need is dynamite (to make a 3x3 hole), a fluid dump and lots of water reserve (which you should have anyway). Alternatively, you can wall-off with leeves a 3x3 space and dumb water in it but it's a lot more costly log wise. As an added bonus, industry can still run during bad tides !
@@aliceitc I know... but I believe ! That one day, the engineer inside him (if there is any) will wake up and listen to reason ! That one day, every beevers can live, work and breed without the looming fear of The Incident™ or other architectural mismanagement !
Sometimes you are such an achitect: have you really put the berry storage on the opposite side of the map? Mat: you have to consider your distances for efficient routs.
i must confess i picked up timberborn on steam after watching a few of your seasons... not to mention it was on sale. mistakes were made... and i quickly realised that one does not just play for 1 hour on timberborn... to declare timberborn a time sink would be a understatement... ... its a bloody time black hole! 😂 i hope we see some new beaver clans in the future. not to mention expansion to have a steam workshop for modding in relation to your playthrough, consider planting mangroves in the water before your damn for either food (only requires like kolrabi and berries) or for the wood value (2 logs per mangrove)
@@KryptCeeper969 I also bought the game after season 1 and have 300 hours in... but for a variety of reasons, mostly time spent on TH-cam and at work, but also issues with computer replacement and time spent playing other games on Steam, I haven't played since before this update. Admittedly, a big reason why I haven't played this game in that long is because I loved the sandbox feel of the game before badwater, I had a couple of impressive builds in earlier updates that now likely won't load in the new update, and from what I've seen on TH-cam, the badwater update makes it far more of a competition against the environment. And yes, you would be correct if you guessed that I didn't play on the higher difficulty levels. 🙂 But watching the last couple of seasons here, I'm being persuaded that the badwater is worth putting up with... although I'm still hoping for a future update to make badwater optional.
You're doing great, pausing and playing on slow, prioritize forester. Two tips; extend the work hours until you have the campfire. And a small warehouse besides the food source, so they don't walk so far.
I'd say it'd be useful to build a mini-dam under the waterfall, in order to make a bad tide overflow off the map. It'll be 3+4*3+3*2+1=22 blocks (minus the flood gate size and one stair added). It's a bit log-expensive but i don't think there's a cheaper way, and bonus, without going through your town... and you'll still have a clean water reservoir. Crossing fingers for a season 9 longer than season 3 :)
Overhangs and platforms make this map much easier to get all the monuments, not sure it would be possible without them. Had to build some crazy tiered reservoirs when I did this map, sluice gates now make it possible to have sections of a reservoir with higher walls and still have them all drain down to a common bottom layer.
You can also prioritize workers. I put water pumps at highest, anything for food at high, almost everything else at medium, builders at low, and haulers at lowest. Builders at low means I don't have to turn builers on and off to get workers for other jobs, I just turn those jobs on or off. Remember that FILO is the background priority, so if two jobs have equal priority, the one added first gets filled. Since builder is the first job...
On this map the best solution for handling the bad tides are to build floodgates at the top of the waterfall, and put up levees to route the bad water off the edge of the map when the levees are raised.
Ohhhh I love this map! When I got Timberborn, it’s the first map that I played! I didn’t have the Iron Teeth unlocked. The windmills were a lifesaver for real! I built this GIANT housing tower, it was so much fun!
For more trees i need stairs... says Matt. Here i am facepalming that Matt STILL HASNT LEARNED that in this kinda situation the MOST important initial research is the FORESTER and NOT stairs... >_> bruh!
Same. I was like why are you contemplating the stairs? Wait 5 more days to start planting trees? He needs them growing asap. He'd be done for by episode 3 if he didnt have some new trees growing.
If you actually want to be efficient, then its recommended that you have more beavers than workplaces, but, keep extra beavers employed as haulers/builders in low priority workplaces so as a result your factories will work non stop (this is important on small maps such as this). I'd also recommend putting decor pieces and monuments of various kinds in either workplaces or on top of lodges so that beavers will charge up their need for them easilly as they spend most time in theese places.
To make a self-seeding Forest work, you need to remove the stumps of cut trees, so the new ones have somewhere to grow. The easiest way to do remove stumps is to place a path over them, so to keep a self-seeding Forest going you’ll need to occasionally cover the area with paths and then delete the paths, freeing up spots for new trees.
Things I've learned playing in hard mode in general... evaporation is a real issue. to the point that it's worth blasting out irrigation holes or building levee towers connected to a water dump that use your stored water to top it up. the thing is the droughts last long enough that should your water on the map evaporate enough to recede your irrigated area.. well... let's just say your water storage situation isn't the only thing you'll be worrying about during the drought. In other words, getting many pumpers in to work through what little wet season you'll get and having plenty of storage for it... is probably the most important thing to have in hard mode. Additionally, little fun tidbits I've realized when playing.. the supply and obtain tabs in storage are actually really useful to keep efficiency high when you have haulers in the district. The reason being that you can put a small temporary storage out front of the production building (set to supply) where the workers will defer to if the building itself is full, then the haulers shuffle it to your larger, further away main storage (no priority set). It then allows you to put other smaller storages about set to obtain that you can place closer to your big construction sites. Like say you want to build a big dam further away from your district centre and you're annoyed by your beavers running over half the map to put down one log, get hungry, run all the way back, eat, drink then run all the way back to progress the building's % and the day's already over, so now they're also losing on sleep time. Oh and also... these aren't Folktails anymore. time to manage breeding pods again. Don't forget those, lest you find yourself without a colony. Come to think about it... Ironteeth players, can you keep breeding pods at 99% completion paused so that they don't pop out the new beaver til you need them? AKA does it allow you to keep like say 20 breeding pods on pause as backup beavers should your colony decease?
I’m actually playing this same map on max difficulty but with the other faction. I didn’t have any protection on the first bad tide but survived by having food and water stored. Now I have a full power grid, 1000 logs, 1500 food of of every variety. It’s been a fun challenge.
YAYYYYYYY he noticed :D 1 month ago (Aug 2nd) "Waiting for: Iron teeth, Hard, Diorama... modern update" 1 month ago (Aug 8th) "Diorama Iron teeth Hard latest experimental?" 1 month ago (Aug 11th) "Iron teeth, Hard, Diorama, Badtides, and no deaths" 12 days ago (Sept 8th) "[As I've commented many times before] Diorama, Experimental, Iron Teeth, Hard mode, Death=restart or save reload." I'm pretty good at this game and did this a month ago (after first comment), it's SO hard to do this map or "poocano" with no deaths but that's the challenge!
Well, "no deaths" is optional but even an architect could do it with deaths allowed. Maybe at some point do *hard/iron teeth/zero deaths* on a revisit of poocano (eruption), I've tried to do it multiple times and there was only 1 way I managed it.
@@ApocolypseChild He's missing a ton of updates and hotfixes, but I suppose we should be thankful he's actually trying something difficult for once. It's a bit like how he has a serious and non-serious cities skylines. He's inspired so many others to get this game over all these years of playing... still can't figure out the employment(prioritisation)/dams/path routing/staircases :D But the learning is fun.
Push your working hours to 18. That will get you 100 science every 3 days. As others have said, build some breeding pods, 2 should be enough. Build more food and water storage. You should probably build 2 water tanks per cycle until you can get a gear shop in to build a medium tank. The key for this map is don't have too many of anything until you can store enough food and water to survive the longest droughts. Only build a small pile to store planks while having 1 large pile for logs. Just be slow and deliberate until you can build a way to divert the bad water from the main waterfall off the map during the bad tides and then look for expansion. You'll only need stairs (70), single platforms (100), levees (120), and single flood gates (150) to get this done along with enough logs and planks. That's 440 science, which should be there in 14 days.
On update 6 (experimental branch) I'm getting bad water times and droughts of like 30 days and I have very little conceptualization of how you could make that work on this map. It would be a massive challenge for sure.
Just finished my Diorama on hard with Folktails. Interesting map, need to do stuff with a minimum number of beavers, use starting wood carefully, stuff like that. And honestly windmills of folktails are so good here. Also imaging spending 70 science to go for a couple of oaks instead of a forester for 60 science on a map like this))0)
Welcome back to timberborners :D It a completly new season Lets hope we dont commit beaver treason Oh the surprised I have in store Im gonna build things properly And maybe not even spam high priority Though lets be honest here when im under pressure my architectural tendencies do tend to appeeeaaaar
I was just playing on the tiny map and realised that the best place to put the farmhouse wasn't on land but over water. So it could hit both sides of the clean river. Houses and non-industry buildings could go up in the mountain. Industry could go next to the poo water.
Hey Matt, add a second dam back towards the water source, about halfway. Then crop closer to that, this way you can't "overpump" your irrigation source.
Use 4 floodgates and a basin dam at the base of the waterfall, 2 of them open to the stream and are set to 1.5 and two go to the edge of the map while being set to 2. Then on the eve of the badtide open the poogates to setting 1 and seal the water gates by setting them to 2. For added security, add layers below the gates to dilute missed timings.
Hey RCE. Consider logistics when making a big building project! :D Put down material storage near the building location. then both your haulers and builders will be helping on the building speed! :D
I began playing Timberborn after watching season 8. Started in Waterfalls on hard. My first ever drought was 7 days long. Some water and food shortages during the first few cycles, but then everything got much better. Now I'm diverting badtides right off the edge of the maps, and I've capped both badwater sources. However there is a MASSIVE issue: I still can't find how to unlock the Beavles! I could really use some entertainment for my beavers!
For dealing with bad tide you can unlock flood gates and raise the river with dikes. You put some flood gates to let the bad tide off the close edge near the bottom of the waterfall, and some floodgates to stop the flow into the river past the part where the waterfall lands. This gives a lot of water to run through when the drought gets big before you start losing crops. You will need berry storage though as you need berries to make more beavers.
If there were some way to expand the map at great cost, sort of like buying new grids in Cities Skylines 1 (but nowhere near as cheap), I think maps like this would have more potential.
GG. One of the better ways for a self-reseeding forest is to cut down trees in a checker-board pattern. This will increase the probability of a bare square being reseeded since the 4 squares that can reseed it have adult trees in them.
On that map on hardest difficulty the badtides are likely to kill you, more than once you will be likely have to sacrifice beavers in order for 2 to survive and rebuild. When you get to the point were to have 20+ days badtides it becomes really difficult to store enoght water. You need to get to the top of the water surce ASAP, and build a reservoir around it with gates and a side discharge to drop contaminated water off the map. You also need to partition it so you can store water ther AND drop badwater off the map.
For a self-seeding forest you might try marking the cuttable trees in a checkerboard pattern. That way each tree that's cut has around four trees around it that can replant it.
A trick I've learned to deal with badtides is to build an alternate route to the edge of the map near the source. That way when the badtide is imminent you can close the normal path and open the alternate, dumping the badwater off the map and essentially turning it into a drought.
I don’t normally comment here but, having not watched the video, or played the game, I’m gonna recommend irrigation canals, and some sluice gates to store water for farming during bad tides. Good luck, have fun!
they changed the balance in the last update. large reservoirs are not worth it anymore since you can build large storage barrels, that magicaly let you store more water in them than in comparison to "free" water, and irrigation channels only work when 3 tiles wide (irigation ponds 3x3 are better).
@@tommerker8063 The bigger water storages always held more eater than the deep channels, and they don't evaporate. It was just not worth the resources relative to the other things, unless you were short on space.
as iron teeth in hard mode it's realy important to get population growth going asap. go 24h workday and build 4 woodcutters and 3 breeding pods. without amenities besides housing and a 20 hour work day you can sustain ca 30 beavers. when the first breeding pod is done unassign 1 worker (he will start filling up the breeding pods with berries) and place the building designation for a water pump and a storage container close by.your beavers should be able to finish this within 24 hours. on day 2 you start by building 1 farm, 100 kohlrabis and a scientist. assign only one planter to the farm and pause it once he finished planting. once your kohlrabi are grown place a second farm and assign 2 gatherers. this should sustain your population for quite some time. once your stored berries are running out place a gatherer and a small berry storage close to your breeding pods. while waiting for kohlrabi you can start bulding your damn and once thats finished you should have enoug science to get into forestry. so you have a stable colony from day 2.
7:34 maby put the where they plug the food?? Like, in hard mode. It very important to keep the walking routes as small as possible. Walking mean they are not working.
The reason a log was put in the warehouse around 8:31 is likely because one builder was in the middle of finishing the first dam piece and another builder couldn't yet reach the second dam piece. So the other builder just took the log they were holding to somewhere they could actually use it.
You should probably try to rush floodgates and levees, it’s the main way to control bad tides. If you were playing experimental sluice gates are god tier useful. And as others have said you need to get a breeding pod or 2 on the go.
Hey RCE I realized that there is a perfect way to create infinite beaver power!!! (imagine) if you build a weight drop battery. (it is built already at the top) makes sense, the beavers carried all the weight up there! (BEAVER POWER!) now when the battery has reached the ground. disassemble the battery. and then build it again! Powered by beavers!
This map is all about getting the proper build order, at least when I played after the bad tide update took me 4 attempts before surviving the first bad tide and another 3 resets to build just right to actually survive took alot of micro managing using 2 lumber jacks but having them switch between 10 lumberjack flags to store extra logs and the same with the berries but used the gatherer flag storage to hold everything.
Recommendation: Build flood gates near the start of the waterfall and direct poo water off map so you can hold clean water in the 'river', same as for a drought.
The cheapest early game storage is to just make a bunch of gatherer flags and lumberjack flags and just pause some. When the inventory gets full, pause it and start another up.
Yeah, it's already longer than season 3. But it won't be much longer without breeding pods.
I was thinking the same thing... Shortest lifespan right now, and no way to repopulate lol
as long as he has some berries left, he can set them up pretty quickly, if he remembers in time.
@@5Andysaliveit's matt though he ain't going to remember.
@@AFIoridaman He's got 85 berries at end of video, 1 forester being built to do trees.... though he needs to plant more berry bushes and be prepositioned for the inevitable bad tide that'll wipe out all the berry bushes.... and no breeding pods built. Yeah... I'd say it's a race against time.
Guys will someone tell him that he can make IRRIGATION BARRIERS to prevent contamination
I liked playing the tiny map. The key is to don't overbuild in the early stages--keep everything down to one building max and your population very low. Once you get to where you have a comfortable stockpile of resources, then you build in the barren areas and think about how to combat the badtide seasons. I went with blowing out the back of that stream near the waterfall and diverting water out that way when it happens. I then went nuts and turned the "poo water" area into my industrial zone while I went on a plan to divert clean water to "greenify" the barren lands on the other side. It was fun and calming because I wasn't in dire straits of maintaining a large colony.
i like 3 breeding pods and only basic needs. population settles at roughly 30.
@@tommerker8063 I think that was around the same amount of beavers I had as well. I got the happiness up to around mid 40s so I figured I did a good job.
7 beavers consume practically no food and water. You can store up water in the wet season, and leave the pumps off the rest of the time. 1 farmer is more than enough, and you can turn the farm off for ages with no problems. Also, no need for dinamite to divert the water. Just build levies around the water source, and raise the floodgates to divert it off the map, you can do it very early in the game.
Edit: I had the exact same idea with the badwater source, I even platformed over the river to make more space for the industrial area
Matt you can make irrigation barriers for contamination
@@bakedatbeen later
I see 2 critical issues for your near future. Hard does *not* fuck around.
1. You haven't built a breeding pod yet. You need at *least* one.
2. You need around 6 water storages and 2-3 pumps for early game. You should try to have 20 water storage per beaver in your colony as soon as possible. Beavers drink 2 water per day and early game droughts get up to 10 days *quick*. You'll want to eventually get that up to 60 storage per beaver (30 day droughts). You can relax that a bit if you get a sizeable dam going.
You correctly identified wood as an early problem and you are doing well on addressing it. Diorama is the biggest wood crunch in the vanilla maps. If you want an enormous challenge after this, I recommend finding the "Tiny Island" map. That one is a true joy to play.
Edit to Add: Don't forget you can build cheap early game bridges out of the single block storages. They let water pass through them. You can pick up the wood from demolishing them when you get a log storage going.
He should be fine with two pumps if he bumps up his working hours to 18. They have nothing to do with free time so he doesnt have any benefits by limiting his work hours.
Prioritize hauling water for builders at the pumps
I just discovered Timberborners, saw an episode with poopwater volcano or something, so I've started working my way through the movie supercuts.
Glad to catch the start of a season!
It's nice being able to binge watch Timberborners. Ive seen them all and I still find the supercuts enjoyable.
Prepare to scream at your screen at RCE's silly mistakes at the start 😂😂
Lol, we share an origin story!
@@mikewebber4784>at the start
Sure, the previous season counts as Matt obly starting out in this game 😂😂
Now that district distances are not a thing, should you move the district center off the green area?
100%. It's a building the beavers don't even have to go to
Some thoughts from me:
- You can turn the Bad Tide into a Drought, if you just funnel the water off-map.
That is probably the best idea to deal with them. Bad Water is worse than no water.
- If you build multiple inventors, consider a graduating priority. One highest, one high, one medium, one low.
That way the mostly use leftover beavers.
- according to the wiki, tree Spawning is not diagonal and not increased by nearby trees.
I can't think of a pattern that leaves 2 spaces without empty spots, so I guess a checker-board pattern is the solution?
- if you had a builder hut, you could make all builder jobs except 1-2 low priority. So the builders automatically go for better jobs
- build the slowest tree the furthest back. Beavers don't need to go often to slow growers. But often to fast growers.
I put my inventors, 1 high priority (not very high, that's for essentials like food and water), all the rest at very low priority since only one is necessary but any extra beavers can amplify progression.
You can just use impermeable flooring and use the bad water to power your water wheels
TimberBONERS is back
This comment goes hard.
@@nlald😂
my TimberMuscles are getting stronger with this one
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something is rising and it isn't the water level
RCE: "I'll try not to prioritize everything."
*immediately prioritizes absolutely everything*
Damn Matt, you almost looked competent here !
Almost. Where are the bredding pods ?
Also, you don't need to divert the bad tides if you create a permanent green space on top of those hills. Should be safe from contamination AND unaffected by draught. All you need is dynamite (to make a 3x3 hole), a fluid dump and lots of water reserve (which you should have anyway). Alternatively, you can wall-off with leeves a 3x3 space and dumb water in it but it's a lot more costly log wise.
As an added bonus, industry can still run during bad tides !
every episode of every season there's people trying to tell him to use fluid dump
will he ever listen? I wonder
@@aliceitc I know... but I believe ! That one day, the engineer inside him (if there is any) will wake up and listen to reason ! That one day, every beevers can live, work and breed without the looming fear of The Incident™ or other architectural mismanagement !
Redirecting the badtides is really easy on this map, because the water sources are so close to the map edge.
Or just wall off the water source and don’t bother with half-measures
Almost look competent in a timberborn video? XD not my Matt. Is is soooo bad at this game for how much time he has in it.
Sometimes you are such an achitect: have you really put the berry storage on the opposite side of the map? Mat: you have to consider your distances for efficient routs.
i must confess i picked up timberborn on steam after watching a few of your seasons... not to mention it was on sale.
mistakes were made... and i quickly realised that one does not just play for 1 hour on timberborn... to declare timberborn a time sink would be a understatement...
... its a bloody time black hole! 😂
i hope we see some new beaver clans in the future. not to mention expansion to have a steam workshop for modding
in relation to your playthrough, consider planting mangroves in the water before your damn for either food (only requires like kolrabi and berries) or for the wood value (2 logs per mangrove)
Steamworkshop modding is already a thing?
Yeah city builders are always good little time wasters, but Timberborn definitely loves to take time.
Yeah i also bought timberborn after watching season 1 and i now have 300 hours in.
300 hours in an early access game
@@maskharat no, but they already have mod support so why would they rebuild it just to make it work through steam?
@@KryptCeeper969 I also bought the game after season 1 and have 300 hours in... but for a variety of reasons, mostly time spent on TH-cam and at work, but also issues with computer replacement and time spent playing other games on Steam, I haven't played since before this update.
Admittedly, a big reason why I haven't played this game in that long is because I loved the sandbox feel of the game before badwater, I had a couple of impressive builds in earlier updates that now likely won't load in the new update, and from what I've seen on TH-cam, the badwater update makes it far more of a competition against the environment. And yes, you would be correct if you guessed that I didn't play on the higher difficulty levels. 🙂
But watching the last couple of seasons here, I'm being persuaded that the badwater is worth putting up with... although I'm still hoping for a future update to make badwater optional.
You're doing great, pausing and playing on slow, prioritize forester.
Two tips; extend the work hours until you have the campfire. And a small warehouse besides the food source, so they don't walk so far.
Additional tip: move the forester, half of it's plant-able area is taken over by the badwater polution
So will he forget to build breading pods?
Guaranteed 🤣
10:08 I have NO doubt this is Josh.
Same. It's definitely him.
I'd say it'd be useful to build a mini-dam under the waterfall, in order to make a bad tide overflow off the map. It'll be 3+4*3+3*2+1=22 blocks (minus the flood gate size and one stair added). It's a bit log-expensive but i don't think there's a cheaper way, and bonus, without going through your town... and you'll still have a clean water reservoir.
Crossing fingers for a season 9 longer than season 3 :)
3:34 😂 and so, the priority gate has started hahaha
Just after he said he wouldn't 😂😂
But he did it correctly. He didn't just spam it on everything
Breeding Pod
where ??
In season finale.
@@tokul76 So next episode then.
Seems he forgot how to Ironteeth.
Panic mode guaranteed
Overhangs and platforms make this map much easier to get all the monuments, not sure it would be possible without them. Had to build some crazy tiered reservoirs when I did this map, sluice gates now make it possible to have sections of a reservoir with higher walls and still have them all drain down to a common bottom layer.
6:38 reggie’s wife could learn a thing or two.
nice to see this series coming back again
Season 9 already?! I hope this one is longer than Season 3.
And apparently so do you! 😂😂
Every season is hard mode the way RCE plays
Cycle 2 and not a single breeding pod build yet, the death wave is going to hit hard😂
You can also prioritize workers. I put water pumps at highest, anything for food at high, almost everything else at medium, builders at low, and haulers at lowest. Builders at low means I don't have to turn builers on and off to get workers for other jobs, I just turn those jobs on or off.
Remember that FILO is the background priority, so if two jobs have equal priority, the one added first gets filled. Since builder is the first job...
can't believe we're at season 9. still gonna be around when we hit season 19, keep it up mate!
On this map the best solution for handling the bad tides are to build floodgates at the top of the waterfall, and put up levees to route the bad water off the edge of the map when the levees are raised.
Ohhhh I love this map! When I got Timberborn, it’s the first map that I played! I didn’t have the Iron Teeth unlocked. The windmills were a lifesaver for real! I built this GIANT housing tower, it was so much fun!
Honestly you playing this has made me play it. Awesome game man.
If Matt spends another entire season without discovering sluice gates I'm gonna...well I'll keep watching but I'll get huffy about it.
He isn't in experimental.
For more trees i need stairs... says Matt.
Here i am facepalming that Matt STILL HASNT LEARNED that in this kinda situation the MOST important initial research is the FORESTER and NOT stairs... >_> bruh!
Same. I was like why are you contemplating the stairs? Wait 5 more days to start planting trees? He needs them growing asap. He'd be done for by episode 3 if he didnt have some new trees growing.
Worth noting, this isn't the smallest playable map, fans have been making micro-maps for a while now. You just drop 'em in your maps folder and go! =P
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If you actually want to be efficient, then its recommended that you have more beavers than workplaces, but, keep extra beavers employed as haulers/builders in low priority workplaces so as a result your factories will work non stop (this is important on small maps such as this). I'd also recommend putting decor pieces and monuments of various kinds in either workplaces or on top of lodges so that beavers will charge up their need for them easilly as they spend most time in theese places.
I always make my research and metal collection be the low end since haulers increase certain workspaces efficiency by so much
episode 2: Matt panics trying to build a growth vat as his beavers start dieing of old age
To make a self-seeding Forest work, you need to remove the stumps of cut trees, so the new ones have somewhere to grow. The easiest way to do remove stumps is to place a path over them, so to keep a self-seeding Forest going you’ll need to occasionally cover the area with paths and then delete the paths, freeing up spots for new trees.
the problem with many "challenging" maps, if you know, what you're doing, you just end up with a working colony, endlessly waiting for trees.
ARCHITECTURAL TENDENCIES
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Things I've learned playing in hard mode in general... evaporation is a real issue. to the point that it's worth blasting out irrigation holes or building levee towers connected to a water dump that use your stored water to top it up. the thing is the droughts last long enough that should your water on the map evaporate enough to recede your irrigated area.. well... let's just say your water storage situation isn't the only thing you'll be worrying about during the drought.
In other words, getting many pumpers in to work through what little wet season you'll get and having plenty of storage for it... is probably the most important thing to have in hard mode.
Additionally, little fun tidbits I've realized when playing.. the supply and obtain tabs in storage are actually really useful to keep efficiency high when you have haulers in the district.
The reason being that you can put a small temporary storage out front of the production building (set to supply) where the workers will defer to if the building itself is full, then the haulers shuffle it to your larger, further away main storage (no priority set). It then allows you to put other smaller storages about set to obtain that you can place closer to your big construction sites. Like say you want to build a big dam further away from your district centre and you're annoyed by your beavers running over half the map to put down one log, get hungry, run all the way back, eat, drink then run all the way back to progress the building's % and the day's already over, so now they're also losing on sleep time.
Oh and also... these aren't Folktails anymore. time to manage breeding pods again. Don't forget those, lest you find yourself without a colony.
Come to think about it... Ironteeth players, can you keep breeding pods at 99% completion paused so that they don't pop out the new beaver til you need them? AKA does it allow you to keep like say 20 breeding pods on pause as backup beavers should your colony decease?
I’m actually playing this same map on max difficulty but with the other faction. I didn’t have any protection on the first bad tide but survived by having food and water stored. Now I have a full power grid, 1000 logs, 1500 food of of every variety. It’s been a fun challenge.
YAYYYYYYY he noticed :D
1 month ago (Aug 2nd)
"Waiting for: Iron teeth, Hard, Diorama... modern update"
1 month ago (Aug 8th)
"Diorama Iron teeth Hard latest experimental?"
1 month ago (Aug 11th)
"Iron teeth, Hard, Diorama, Badtides, and no deaths"
12 days ago (Sept 8th)
"[As I've commented many times before] Diorama, Experimental, Iron Teeth, Hard mode, Death=restart or save reload."
I'm pretty good at this game and did this a month ago (after first comment), it's SO hard to do this map or "poocano" with no deaths but that's the challenge!
Well, "no deaths" is optional but even an architect could do it with deaths allowed.
Maybe at some point do *hard/iron teeth/zero deaths* on a revisit of poocano (eruption), I've tried to do it multiple times and there was only 1 way I managed it.
Tragically, he's not doing this one on experimental for some architectural reason. You can see he doesn't have the option to build overhangs.
@@ApocolypseChild He's missing a ton of updates and hotfixes, but I suppose we should be thankful he's actually trying something difficult for once. It's a bit like how he has a serious and non-serious cities skylines. He's inspired so many others to get this game over all these years of playing... still can't figure out the employment(prioritisation)/dams/path routing/staircases :D
But the learning is fun.
Push your working hours to 18. That will get you 100 science every 3 days. As others have said, build some breeding pods, 2 should be enough. Build more food and water storage. You should probably build 2 water tanks per cycle until you can get a gear shop in to build a medium tank. The key for this map is don't have too many of anything until you can store enough food and water to survive the longest droughts. Only build a small pile to store planks while having 1 large pile for logs. Just be slow and deliberate until you can build a way to divert the bad water from the main waterfall off the map during the bad tides and then look for expansion. You'll only need stairs (70), single platforms (100), levees (120), and single flood gates (150) to get this done along with enough logs and planks. That's 440 science, which should be there in 14 days.
That's an efficiently-shaped depression, right in the middle.
I've been binging your stuff lately while working, I love the variety of games you play. It keeps it fresh!!
On update 6 (experimental branch) I'm getting bad water times and droughts of like 30 days and I have very little conceptualization of how you could make that work on this map. It would be a massive challenge for sure.
Timberborn is my absolute favourite! Thanks Matt!
Just finished my Diorama on hard with Folktails. Interesting map, need to do stuff with a minimum number of beavers, use starting wood carefully, stuff like that. And honestly windmills of folktails are so good here.
Also imaging spending 70 science to go for a couple of oaks instead of a forester for 60 science on a map like this))0)
What? He already had the forester in building progress before going for the stairs.
@@maskharat yeah, but he was seriously considering doing another way around)
Welcome back to timberborners :D
It a completly new season
Lets hope we dont commit beaver treason
Oh the surprised I have in store
Im gonna build things properly
And maybe not even spam high priority
Though lets be honest here when im under pressure my architectural tendencies do tend to appeeeaaaar
I was just playing on the tiny map and realised that the best place to put the farmhouse wasn't on land but over water. So it could hit both sides of the clean river. Houses and non-industry buildings could go up in the mountain. Industry could go next to the poo water.
I kept having the problem of the farm house flooding when I put it over the water whenever the drought ended
Well, since water pumps still work in bad tides. Maybe a water dump could help with your farms?
Just make a small pond somewhere.
After the irrigation nerf, I'm not sure water dumps are the way to go on small maps. You need at least a 3x3 to get normal greening range.
This is the map I run on every major patch new. My best for Diorama with badtide and on Hard Mode has been 30 cycles.
Its 5:50 and he is already using high priority, in case anyone wonders.
I paused to comment the same thing. To be fair, do we expect anything less than high priority out of Matt?
good method to auto sustainable forest? checkered, one tree can seedling 4 sides, so you guarantee that all side can grow
Hey Matt, add a second dam back towards the water source, about halfway. Then crop closer to that, this way you can't "overpump" your irrigation source.
Oh snap I didn't think you'd do the smallest map again. And it's got a new badtide source. Let's go!
Longer than season 3 already🥳
:D Yay finally he uploaded a TimberBONERS Video! 🎉
Use 4 floodgates and a basin dam at the base of the waterfall, 2 of them open to the stream and are set to 1.5 and two go to the edge of the map while being set to 2. Then on the eve of the badtide open the poogates to setting 1 and seal the water gates by setting them to 2. For added security, add layers below the gates to dilute missed timings.
Hey RCE.
Consider logistics when making a big building project! :D
Put down material storage near the building location. then both your haulers and builders will be helping on the building speed! :D
You should build a water tower on top of the water source!
keep your water supply high and gain some extra space
This will be a really tough series.. love it
I began playing Timberborn after watching season 8.
Started in Waterfalls on hard. My first ever drought was 7 days long. Some water and food shortages during the first few cycles, but then everything got much better. Now I'm diverting badtides right off the edge of the maps, and I've capped both badwater sources.
However there is a MASSIVE issue: I still can't find how to unlock the Beavles! I could really use some entertainment for my beavers!
For dealing with bad tide you can unlock flood gates and raise the river with dikes. You put some flood gates to let the bad tide off the close edge near the bottom of the waterfall, and some floodgates to stop the flow into the river past the part where the waterfall lands. This gives a lot of water to run through when the drought gets big before you start losing crops.
You will need berry storage though as you need berries to make more beavers.
If there were some way to expand the map at great cost, sort of like buying new grids in Cities Skylines 1 (but nowhere near as cheap), I think maps like this would have more potential.
Labradog is the Kenny of Timberborn. "Oh my God, they've killed Labradog"
To make a self-seeding forest without a Forester you need to make a checkerboard pattern with the tree cutting tool
GG. One of the better ways for a self-reseeding forest is to cut down trees in a checker-board pattern. This will increase the probability of a bare square being reseeded since the 4 squares that can reseed it have adult trees in them.
2:45 He could’ve done it diagonally with 2 but the beavers couldn’t cross. he isn’t an architect
2:52 you can do it diagonally with just 2, just add a small warehouse to you can walk on top to get to the last one (then delete and recover the logs)
On that map on hardest difficulty the badtides are likely to kill you, more than once you will be likely have to sacrifice beavers in order for 2 to survive and rebuild.
When you get to the point were to have 20+ days badtides it becomes really difficult to store enoght water. You need to get to the top of the water surce ASAP, and build a reservoir around it with gates and a side discharge to drop contaminated water off the map. You also need to partition it so you can store water ther AND drop badwater off the map.
I binged all the timberborn episodes over a couple weeks. This is my first one after it’s just come out.
You could name it Shorter than a season 3 * question mark *
For a self-seeding forest you might try marking the cuttable trees in a checkerboard pattern. That way each tree that's cut has around four trees around it that can replant it.
Bloody difficult map that is. Best of luck - to your poor beavers 🤣
A trick I've learned to deal with badtides is to build an alternate route to the edge of the map near the source. That way when the badtide is imminent you can close the normal path and open the alternate, dumping the badwater off the map and essentially turning it into a drought.
I don’t normally comment here but, having not watched the video, or played the game, I’m gonna recommend irrigation canals, and some sluice gates to store water for farming during bad tides.
Good luck, have fun!
Dynamite is more like episode 5 stuff.
they changed the balance in the last update. large reservoirs are not worth it anymore since you can build large storage barrels, that magicaly let you store more water in them than in comparison to "free" water, and irrigation channels only work when 3 tiles wide (irigation ponds 3x3 are better).
@@tommerker8063 The bigger water storages always held more eater than the deep channels, and they don't evaporate. It was just not worth the resources relative to the other things, unless you were short on space.
@@jamoecw yes, but now they hold even MORE and are bigger making them objectively better
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Oh mb sry
Love how Matt sings about not going priority crazy and IMMEDIATELY high prioritizes everything 😂
Surviving in a small map?
*Mindustry instinct kicks in*
you know ive never seen RCE work with resevoirs to green up the map, surprised he doesn't abuse the water dumps
Decent start, he's getting better lol
as iron teeth in hard mode it's realy important to get population growth going asap.
go 24h workday and build 4 woodcutters and 3 breeding pods. without amenities besides housing and a 20 hour work day you can sustain ca 30 beavers. when the first breeding pod is done unassign 1 worker (he will start filling up the breeding pods with berries) and place the building designation for a water pump and a storage container close by.your beavers should be able to finish this within 24 hours.
on day 2 you start by building 1 farm, 100 kohlrabis and a scientist. assign only one planter to the farm and pause it once he finished planting. once your kohlrabi are grown place a second farm and assign 2 gatherers. this should sustain your population for quite some time. once your stored berries are running out place a gatherer and a small berry storage close to your breeding pods.
while waiting for kohlrabi you can start bulding your damn and once thats finished you should have enoug science to get into forestry.
so you have a stable colony from day 2.
7:34 maby put the where they plug the food?? Like, in hard mode. It very important to keep the walking routes as small as possible. Walking mean they are not working.
Only RCE would place the berry gatherer and the berry warehouse literally on opposite sides of the colony 😂
Legitimately, when its not a drought or badtide, you want every beaver pumping water. Best of luck RCE
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Matt! Fantastic idea! For the next season, do a "no prioritizing" challenge!
You can mark the trees for cutting in a checker board pattern and trees will grow back.. very important for hard mode early on
The reason a log was put in the warehouse around 8:31 is likely because one builder was in the middle of finishing the first dam piece and another builder couldn't yet reach the second dam piece. So the other builder just took the log they were holding to somewhere they could actually use it.
Timberborners more like TimberBONERS
Double flood gates & levees 1st. To build a badtide diversion at the top, at the source. Later, replace gates with sluices.
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You should probably try to rush floodgates and levees, it’s the main way to control bad tides. If you were playing experimental sluice gates are god tier useful.
And as others have said you need to get a breeding pod or 2 on the go.
Matt please use dynamite and the water discharge thing, make a 2 deep hole and pump some water into it to make green land to survive!
Hey RCE
I realized that there is a perfect way to create infinite beaver power!!! (imagine)
if you build a weight drop battery. (it is built already at the top) makes sense, the beavers carried all the weight up there! (BEAVER POWER!)
now when the battery has reached the ground. disassemble the battery. and then build it again! Powered by beavers!
This map is all about getting the proper build order, at least when I played after the bad tide update took me 4 attempts before surviving the first bad tide and another 3 resets to build just right to actually survive took alot of micro managing using 2 lumber jacks but having them switch between 10 lumberjack flags to store extra logs and the same with the berries but used the gatherer flag storage to hold everything.
The eastenders intro got me. Too many days of my mum watching it :(
Recommendation: Build flood gates near the start of the waterfall and direct poo water off map so you can hold clean water in the 'river', same as for a drought.
He will not have time to research explosives and get there before bad tide. And bad water will kill his berries.
@@tokul76 I didn’t say anything about explosives. I meant on the same level as he currently is. Just on the side of the river where the waterfall is.
The Emmerdale opening is sublime
I don't know what it's about watching you play Timberorn... But I am addicted...
The cheapest early game storage is to just make a bunch of gatherer flags and lumberjack flags and just pause some. When the inventory gets full, pause it and start another up.