** Subscribe to the Mark Makes channel here: th-cam.com/channels/Fjh0_xxctCiXzOTXPOWHjg.html **Start watching the full build of this tool here: th-cam.com/video/6z7KzXWbaDo/w-d-xo.html ** Free plans will be available on the Mark Makes channel. In this video I drastically improve the usability of the Horotec 05.125 120 chronograph hand removal tool I reviewed a few videos ago. This video constructs & demonstrates the use of a customised Jig I manufactured and maybe you can too.
It’s funny though, the tradition in a lot of watch schools is that before they are even let near a watch the first thing a student learns is to make their own tools, I think this just adds so much depth to the process and of course, if you make a tool you become an even greater expert in using it!
Fine watch enthusiasts if like me, love the blending of art, passion, and utility. I thoroughly enjoy how you represent each of these in every video! Very pleasing to watch a skilled man do his work!
I would like to thank you from teaching me some basic things. I just transferred parts from working Miyota 8210 to 8200, had to tear that thing apart pretty much 80% from the backside, all the gears and that huge bridge. Even timed it to change date at specific time rather than at 5am. My search continues and i'm getting Seiko 5 and weird pilot style watch that's made in Italy with newer Miyota movement Thank you
Damn fine workmanship on your design for the hand removal tool Mark, great job. I love to see a maker design and machine metal to their will, it’s great stuff!
Who the hell would thumbs down this video? Great videos on this channel and one of the best watch repair channels. Brilliant work, explanation and results. Well done. Cheers!👍
I love the knocked-off edges of the moving platform. Classy! Good work on the design and the tool, and what a pleasure it will be to use for years to come - because you’ll know you built it!
Awesome job on fabrication of the jig. I often wondered if one could make most of these watchmaking tools yourself. To bad I don't have the extra lath and machining tools to do the fabrication myself. Outstanding work. Thanks for sharing 😀
unbelievable - I'm a strong advocate for having "the right tool for the job - I love this kind of thinking/determination/tinkering. So sick! Subscribed to your other channel.
Making your own tools for watchmaking is just as interesting to watch it goes hand and hand with watch repair. Any good watch repairer has to know how to make there own tools or very least know how to maintain there own. Awsome video.
Great job! When someone wants to buy Swiss built watchmaking tools, its always interesting to ask the company in Switzerland, what the tool and shipping would cost. In some instances, tools are a little bit less expensive than buying it from the local dealer in your country when importing directly from Switzerland. Bergeon and Horotec and the others do send tools all around the globe. Best regards from Switzerland, bluearcturus
Right! I got my 7750 Movement Holder directly from Horia for 100€ less than from a local Vendor XD Bergeon is great in terms of Spare Parts I bought a used machine of ebay with a few broken bits. I could make them, no trouble But I asked my local Supply "no we don't have parts for this Machine for... like... 10 Years" I wrote to bergeon "Jeah sure, you want just the part or all consumables and servicing bits and blobs?" All in all it was cheaper to get everything as a bundle than make it myselfe
Any tool improvement is a positive for the collective. Besides, the commercially available tools for this hobby are astronomically expensive for subpar quality. I bought Bergeon screwdrivers thinking that they would be better than everything else but, as I should have expected, they were no better. I have a mini lathe so I am simply making my own and will harden them when finished.
So yes, this could be a useful tool (I mean the Horotec professional chrono hand remover), but of very limited use: For instance sometimes there is not enough clearance for the tool to fit between the chronograph second hand and the minute hand. Also you do not want to touch the minute hand at all while sliding the movement to be centered, on pain of blemishing it. Something else to keep in mind is that you really want the "U" shaped support to lift from the hand tube, otherwise you'll end up with catastrophic results, either bending or separating the hand from the hand tube. This presents a problem as there is no standard diameter to the hand tube. Finally, in most (if not all) high grade chronographs, the very tip of the post on the chronograph wheel is rounded and highly polished. If this tip is slightly inside the tube you are OK, but if it is flush with the top of the hand tube, there is a good off-chance that the tip will "dance" to the side. About the inserting pin best to have several on hand as they will break more often than not: On some chronos the sweep second hand are insanely tight. Yeap, well shaped "V" cut levers will always do the trick , assuming one is at the correct high and grab onto the tube. Cheerio!
I think toolmaking is very much a part of the whole scheme of things horology wise imho, as is using lathes, mills etc to produce replacement parts would be an essential side of getting these little machines to work as good as new.
This might be a silly question, but what was your reasoning for using bearings instead of just simple bushings on the steel rods? Admittedly I don't know how much wear you're expecting, but I'd imagine that a bushing would add less play and considering the slow operation with the threaded rod I wouldn't think that the reduced friction would play much of a role. Again, not knocking your decision to use bearings, I'd just like to hear why one and not the other. Edit: Okay, maybe should've watched the other video, the bearings came with the rods, which is as good a reason as any. Why go through the trouble of making bushings when the bearings are already made to work.
I've been eyeballing Sherline mills with watch case making in mind. Seems like they would do SS okay, but likely brass would be my safest bet. Not sure how that would work with tubes and screw down crowns though. Another route was bronze clay. creating an [non shrinking] insert for the movement size then crafting the watch case around it. Lot of freedom that route. Plus, already have an oven for ceramic painting dials. Still, the water proofing is something I'd like to have no matter what. So, tube and screw down crown. Likely an easy fix with more machine experience. TY for videos.
I’ve watched a lot of your videos, and it seems not every repair man takes as much precaution as you, and I like that you do. I have a Rado golden horse limited edition I bought back in 2012, it probably needs to be serviced is this something you do? If not I totally understand although it could make for a good video? Thanks
If you machined a D into the linear shafts, you could prevent them from spinning while tightening them to the base by putting a cross grub screw in the base. Then you don't need to worry about machining a fiddly D into the base itself.
Just a thought...you might want to consider putting rubber bumpers (feet) on the bottom of the tool you made to ensure no skidding around and some way to secure the watch holder so that doesn't suddenly move after you've made all your "aiming" calculations. And, this is going to sound crazy, but how about rigging a small camera with a macro lens so you don't have to use the eye piece to see what your doing? Sort of like medical surgery only on watches.
Off topic question: would you ever lubricate the threads on a wind down crown that has an o-ring? Much thanks. Your videos helped keep me sane this summer.
Nice job! Living in the same place as you, I am surprised you were able to get the equipment and materials to do this project. Did you have to import lots of equipment? For example, it looks like you did the powder coating yourself. I didn't know it was even possible to get the powder coating here.
Hi I have a question would u be able to help I have a omega constellation and the movement died I dont really know much about watches could you help revive it?????
I can understand the though of a separate channel, specifically for machining, but would you not on a rare occasion machine a watch part when needed? So would that part work be under this channel or your machining channel? Also very nice work on the tool.
** Subscribe to the Mark Makes channel here: th-cam.com/channels/Fjh0_xxctCiXzOTXPOWHjg.html
**Start watching the full build of this tool here: th-cam.com/video/6z7KzXWbaDo/w-d-xo.html
** Free plans will be available on the Mark Makes channel.
In this video I drastically improve the usability of the Horotec 05.125 120 chronograph hand removal tool I reviewed a few videos ago. This video constructs & demonstrates the use of a customised Jig I manufactured and maybe you can too.
Well done , your homemade tool is most likely better than the Horotec tool. 👍
I'm more impressed how you hone more interesting skills besides watches.
Great stuff Mark bravo
It’s funny though, the tradition in a lot of watch schools is that before they are even let near a watch the first thing a student learns is to make their own tools, I think this just adds so much depth to the process and of course, if you make a tool you become an even greater expert in using it!
A real master makes his own tools. Mark well done!
Fine watch enthusiasts if like me, love the blending of art, passion, and utility. I thoroughly enjoy how you represent each of these in every video! Very pleasing to watch a skilled man do his work!
I would like to thank you from teaching me some basic things. I just transferred parts from working Miyota 8210 to 8200, had to tear that thing apart pretty much 80% from the backside, all the gears and that huge bridge. Even timed it to change date at specific time rather than at 5am. My search continues and i'm getting Seiko 5 and weird pilot style watch that's made in Italy with newer Miyota movement
Thank you
I have no problems with watching your machine work. I find it equally useful to watching your timepiece work. Technique is important to both.
Damn fine workmanship on your design for the hand removal tool Mark, great job. I love to see a maker design and machine metal to their will, it’s great stuff!
I used to be an aerospace machinist and it is always good to see the discipline in action. Nice build!
Who the hell would thumbs down this video? Great videos on this channel and one of the best watch repair channels. Brilliant work, explanation and results. Well done. Cheers!👍
I love the knocked-off edges of the moving platform. Classy! Good work on the design and the tool, and what a pleasure it will be to use for years to come - because you’ll know you built it!
Awesome job on fabrication of the jig. I often wondered if one could make most of these watchmaking tools yourself. To bad I don't have the extra lath and machining tools to do the fabrication myself. Outstanding work. Thanks for sharing 😀
Pure engineering, scale up these efforts and you realise how an ocean liner is made.
اني احب عملك بشكل لا يوصف ...انك تدخل علينا السلام والهدوء بعملك الراقي والرائع
Your ingenuity never fails to impress!
Genius Mark! I hope you consider manufacturing some specialty tools for a wider audience.
I really hope vintage Longines flyback comes through your shop and you make viseo on it
Excellent craftmanship Mark; "a joy to watch".
unbelievable - I'm a strong advocate for having "the right tool for the job - I love this kind of thinking/determination/tinkering. So sick! Subscribed to your other channel.
You sir have incredibly skilled hands!
Excellent! Two skill sets I wish I had; machining and watch repairing.
impressive skills mark. Necessity is the mother of invention.
I am extremely impressed and greatful for this video.
Went immediately to the new channel and subscribed. It looks fascinating.
Very good. Love machine work. Thinking next 2.0 base will have socket and XY adjust screws.
Making your own tools for watchmaking is just as interesting to watch it goes hand and hand with watch repair. Any good watch repairer has to know how to make there own tools or very least know how to maintain there own. Awsome video.
Amazing work of watch repair
Great job! When someone wants to buy Swiss built watchmaking tools, its always interesting to ask the company in Switzerland, what the tool and shipping would cost. In some instances, tools are a little bit less expensive than buying it from the local dealer in your country when importing directly from Switzerland. Bergeon and Horotec and the others do send tools all around the globe. Best regards from Switzerland, bluearcturus
Right!
I got my 7750 Movement Holder directly from Horia for 100€ less than from a local Vendor XD
Bergeon is great in terms of Spare Parts
I bought a used machine of ebay with a few broken bits.
I could make them, no trouble
But I asked my local Supply "no we don't have parts for this Machine for... like... 10 Years"
I wrote to bergeon "Jeah sure, you want just the part or all consumables and servicing bits and blobs?"
All in all it was cheaper to get everything as a bundle than make it myselfe
That is a slick setup! Looks great, works great.
Any tool improvement is a positive for the collective. Besides, the commercially available tools for this hobby are astronomically expensive for subpar quality. I bought Bergeon screwdrivers thinking that they would be better than everything else but, as I should have expected, they were no better. I have a mini lathe so I am simply making my own and will harden them when finished.
As usual, AWESOME video, Mark, machining and all, thanks for sharing 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
There is nothing more impressive than people who can make stuff from ideas in their head...
Nicely manufactured and designed piece of equipment ~ well done 👍🏻
This is exceptional work.
Excellent piece of engineering
Bravo Mark! Fantastic job as always.
So yes, this could be a useful tool (I mean the Horotec professional chrono hand remover), but of very limited use: For instance sometimes there is not enough clearance for the tool to fit between the chronograph second hand and the minute hand. Also you do not want to touch the minute hand at all while sliding the movement to be centered, on pain of blemishing it.
Something else to keep in mind is that you really want the "U" shaped support to lift from the hand tube, otherwise you'll end up with catastrophic results, either bending or separating the hand from the hand tube. This presents a problem as there is no standard diameter to the hand tube.
Finally, in most (if not all) high grade chronographs, the very tip of the post on the chronograph wheel is rounded and highly polished. If this tip is slightly inside the tube you are OK, but if it is flush with the top of the hand tube, there is a good off-chance that the tip will "dance" to the side.
About the inserting pin best to have several on hand as they will break more often than not: On some chronos the sweep second hand are insanely tight.
Yeap, well shaped "V" cut levers will always do the trick , assuming one is at the correct high and grab onto the tube.
Cheerio!
Great tool, you made, nice seeing a machines at work.
I think toolmaking is very much a part of the whole scheme of things horology wise imho, as is using lathes, mills etc to produce replacement parts would be an essential side of getting these little machines to work as good as new.
New channel? Count me in - subscribed! Beautiful work on this tool holder as well.
Pretty nifty bit of machining. Looks like you need to build X-Y positioning of the movement into the base as well.
This might be a silly question, but what was your reasoning for using bearings instead of just simple bushings on the steel rods? Admittedly I don't know how much wear you're expecting, but I'd imagine that a bushing would add less play and considering the slow operation with the threaded rod I wouldn't think that the reduced friction would play much of a role. Again, not knocking your decision to use bearings, I'd just like to hear why one and not the other.
Edit: Okay, maybe should've watched the other video, the bearings came with the rods, which is as good a reason as any. Why go through the trouble of making bushings when the bearings are already made to work.
👏 You are amazing and smart. Nice work Sir...
Nice job Mark, thought you might have chosen horotec red though!
Oh you're gonna to upload watch case making video? It's gonna be fun!
I've been eyeballing Sherline mills with watch case making in mind. Seems like they would do SS okay, but likely brass would be my safest bet. Not sure how that would work with tubes and screw down crowns though. Another route was bronze clay. creating an [non shrinking] insert for the movement size then crafting the watch case around it. Lot of freedom that route. Plus, already have an oven for ceramic painting dials. Still, the water proofing is something I'd like to have no matter what. So, tube and screw down crown. Likely an easy fix with more machine experience.
TY for videos.
I’ve watched a lot of your videos, and it seems not every repair man takes as much precaution as you, and I like that you do. I have a Rado golden horse limited edition I bought back in 2012, it probably needs to be serviced is this something you do? If not I totally understand although it could make for a good video?
Thanks
This is awesome! Definitely giving a sub to Mark Makes
Wow Mr. WRC: you are a great mind!
Well done my friend!!
Bravo! Nice machine work
Very good job.
Just watched the making video. Great job!
Excellent solution!!
Where do you get your nails done? They are always impeccable!
If you machined a D into the linear shafts, you could prevent them from spinning while tightening them to the base by putting a cross grub screw in the base. Then you don't need to worry about machining a fiddly D into the base itself.
that was wildly entertaining and informative, thanks
Nice work.
Just a thought...you might want to consider putting rubber bumpers (feet) on the bottom of the tool you made to ensure no skidding around and some way to secure the watch holder so that doesn't suddenly move after you've made all your "aiming" calculations. And, this is going to sound crazy, but how about rigging a small camera with a macro lens so you don't have to use the eye piece to see what your doing? Sort of like medical surgery only on watches.
Off topic question: would you ever lubricate the threads on a wind down crown that has an o-ring? Much thanks. Your videos helped keep me sane this summer.
Interesting video, subscribed straight away, look forward to more content
wow, impressive to say the least
Well done Mark, horotec eat your heart out!! 😂
I think watchmaking and machining are similar interests, at least to me. Both involve working metal to very fine tolerances.
Add a mini X Y vise to the base for perfect positioning?
Great work!!! Congrats!!!
Fantastic vid!
Very nice, I enjoy project videos like this and I'll certainly head on over to the other channel, watch the videos and subscribe.
I'm an auto mechanic so I've made and modified my share of tools but this is on the next level. You sir are a master of your trade.
Great job!
Well done.
Nice tool!
Brilliant !
Nice job! Living in the same place as you, I am surprised you were able to get the equipment and materials to do this project. Did you have to import lots of equipment? For example, it looks like you did the powder coating yourself. I didn't know it was even possible to get the powder coating here.
Great job
great job
I have NOS Witteauer from the late 60s running well but overdue for a servicing. Do you take watches for service from the US ?
Random question, but how much magnification do you get from that eye piece? Keep up the good work!
Do you undertake watch repairs?
Very good job 👍👍👏👏👏👏👏🌷💓🌷💓🌷💓🌷💓🌷💓🌷💓🌷
Hi how ar you i have a new watch but the automatic roter didnd work speed how can i fix it
Hi I have a question would u be able to help I have a omega constellation and the movement died I dont really know much about watches could you help revive it?????
yes please
Great video, and I have not even seen it yet :)
What would you charge for one of these? I am a watchmaker in Texas who would be very interested in purchasing one
I want buy this tool you make one for me?
Can someone help me identify a watch part?
with your machining skills... I cant understand why you would buy any tools!! (jk, sorta) love the video
I want one.
Can I buy one from you?
I see, Horotec Disliked the video allready :D
Good job!
Excellent. You might enjoy, if you're haven't already, the Clickspring TH-cam channel. Chris is a machining wizard.
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Would of looked awesome raw stainless color. But eather way ingenious..
lol i was just going to suggest you make a holder for yje new tool.
It's a bit overkill isn't it. Just get a block of wood and cut a u-shape in it and drill a hole in the top and a slit
I can understand the though of a separate channel, specifically for machining, but would you not on a rare occasion machine a watch part when needed?
So would that part work be under this channel or your machining channel?
Also very nice work on the tool.
could put subtitles in Portuguese
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!!!MARK!!! SHAKE OR MIX YOUR LOCTITE it is most definitely the wrong consistency. It should be thick & rich. Blessings good sir.
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