Kubica's story is such a roller coaster! - Has one of the biggest crashes in F1 - Wins at the same track a year later - Misses out on the title that year because BMW decide not to upgrade the car - Signs for Ferrari just when they are about to get good - Crashes again in Rally - Comes back to the sport nearly a decade later with amazing fan support - Scores just 1 point across the whole year while the team was heading for a complete collapse - Wins LMP2 WEC
I was sure he was dead in Montreal. The car just disintegrated. The fact it was just minor injuries is a testament to how far safety had come. The sport is so much better for it.
It's crazy how those manufacture teams that left in '08 or '09 missed their big opportunities literally by their request. Firstly BMW by not developing their car in '08, then Honda by selling their team and basically ideal car in '09 and then Toyota which apparently had a great car for '10 leaving. It's insane
But also BMW Sauber is kinda a perfect explanation why i hate 5 year plans in sports. Nobody is standing still for you to catch up, everyone else is working hard, and you have to understand it. Yeah having goals is important but you have to go forward all the time no matter if you are not meeting your expectations or exceeding them. Having hard placed goals while competing with others at the very top makes no sense and will either ruin natural progression of the team (like it did with BMW Sauber) or end up creating a lot of chaos because of not meeting next to impossible goals (like with Alpine and borderline Aston). You can't do that in this sport, well in reality you can't do that in every sport, because others might influence your progression more than yourself
I feel BMW Sauber's 2008 is the worst example of competitivity and marketing as a company. For a company like BMW that prides itself in winning races and championships in pretty much every category in the world they've had cars racing in, to throw away such an opportunity to get themselves into F1 history WITH A FACTORY TEAM should have been a marketing decision enough to give it all in 2008. It's a shame, actually.
The Brabham BMW qualifying engine was 1500 hp. The race engine was somwhere around 950-1000hp. There never was a definitive number for the race engine.
In addition to the series that Aidan mentioned, BMW also tried to get into Indycar in the mid 90's (around 1994-95 to be exact) as a way of competing with Mercedes in that series & were in talks with PacWest Racing to enter Indycar in 1996. However the infamous "Split" between IRL & CART ended all hope of BMW entering as they wanted to compete at the Indy 500 & with CART largely shut out of the race due to the 25/8 rule, BMW said it was not worth it to enter CART & instead focused their efforts on entering the American Le Mans Series when it started in 1999 as part of their marketing strategy in North America. In an ironic twist, PacWest Racing would later use Mercedes engines from 1997-2000 .
If anything, Audi is starting further back than BMW did. The current cars are garbage; the company is in turmoil, and like during the Alfa days, one driver is there for sponsors, the other is on his retirement cruise. Audi supposedly has their 2026 engine development on schedule (there's that word again), they hired someone who was maligned at Ferrari yet without the Maranello politics is making headway slowly. And next year's drivers? Hulkenberg was the previous regime's choice, and the second seat is looking more and more like it'll either be taken by whoever's left (Bottas) or a rookie who is managing to make an impression in the Williams (Colopinto)
Thanks for another great video Aidan! Just a couple thoughts on this subject. First and foremost BMW's Sauber time was their first time owning a team outright but it was a continuation of their, at that time, latest F1 foray not their absolute first time like Audi. Secondly, it's rather unfair to suggest Williams BMW wasn't Mega when they were up against Newey's McLaren and The Michael's Ferrari dream team, but arguably still managed to make the most powerful or highest revving engine of the era. One can only wonder how much better they'd have done if they hadn't wanted to own a team outright and stayed with Williams.
Montoya got 4 of his 7 wins in the BMW Williams. To be honest, I'd forgotten that he'd gotten 3 wins with McLaren. To be totally honest, I'd forgotten that he drove for McLaren!
That Kubica smash in Canada is one of those crashes that will always live with me, because at the time, i was fearful for his life ! Fast forward 1 year & he was on the top step of the podium. That is a video on it's on ! Also, give us the martin brundle career bundle !
easy to say now. What if they had made a fabulous car and won the next 3 or 4 years? Also no guarantee they would have won the championship had they kept developing that year.
Toyota & Jaguar get all the headlines, but for me BMW is the worst example, why manufacturers/corporations are so awful at running F1 teams. They somehow got the hard part right and had a competitive car, but chose to throw it all away because the plan was championship in 2009, not 2008. At the time there was a story going around that one reason they did that was due to marketing. They were launching a new range of pseudo-'hybrid' cars and had a marketing campaign planned based around their new Kers 'hybrid' F1 car. Of course their Kers & chassis was so bad that like most of the other manufacturers they couldn't get it off the car fast enough. (Iirc) only McLaren ran Kers for the whole season (with the exception of Silverstone, where there was too little braking to recharge it).
@@JohnSmithShields Their system was supplied to one of the sportscar prototype teams (Porsche, iirc) and was very successful there. It had some efficiency benefits over batteries. What prevented Williams using it in F1 was the late change to ban refuelling for 2010. Williams' system took up more space than battery based systems. (Iirc it was to have been housed within the fuel tank, rather than sitting below it as the battery packs do.)
Only gripe with the Titel in 2010 BMW has nothing to do anymore with the Team thats why in the entry IT was called BMW Sauber Ferrari so that Peter sauber could buy His Team Back from BMW at the end of 2009
@kevinprior3549 because BMW got Out at the end of 2009 Peter sauber buyed His Team Back but the license for 2010 entry list was BMW sauber but BMW wohnt give Engines anymore and thats when Ferrari got in and Back together with the sauber Team thats why this Name came together.
After 2009 BMW Sauber only was the name, because they applied 2010 with this name and deadline was passed a long time ago to change the entry name for Peter Sauber.
Why in the green hell would you not want your name using in a video game let alone an F1 video game? I mean, even if you stand to make no financial gain whatsoever that's still one hell of a brag you can do to the grandkids one day.
Villeneuve's 2006 was good, tbh. He just had many crashes and unlucky moments. Martin Brundle himself said that he never saw Jacques driving that good in his F1 career.
Audi is buying into a more underfunded and depleted team than what bmw bought into. It's going to be much tougher for them now given the cost cap. Would be interesting to see how the reg changes for 26 would benefit or hurt this new venture. All along, kudos to Peter Sauber for showing leadership and courage and keeping the team and 100s of skilled people's livelihoods alive
It’s the team that I feel in love head over heels when they first showed the 06 car at KLCC in Malaysia and I still have that photo of it taken by my dad. It’s the one and only team which I gave 100% support as a fan and when BMW announced they were leaving it broke my heart to bits. Yes Sauber is still around but BMW Sauber is just something different. Whoever decided to screw up the 2008 progress I always wished that person/ group of people slip in the shower all the bloody time.
4:34 and that is why I say that the current engines are the most powerful ever in race trim, because if I just say they're the most powerful people always chime in with "ooh 1,400 bhp BMW".
4:52 images you can hear "THE MAN'S AN ANIMAL!" Also, the story of Veyron is one of the most fascinating story in automotive industry. Forget about selling the most exquisite most expensive subject to nouveau riches like today's hypercars. Veyron was about Ferdinand Piech's grudge in motorsport. He could have settled with 400kph, he could have settled with 402.25kph (which is 250mph), but no. He want it to be 407kph. Because that's the record at Hunaudieres Straight (okay, MULSANNE) held by the Welter-Meunier-Peugeot P88 in 1988 Le Mans (I think you covered that story in your story of Group C cars). A record it took away from Porsche 917. Which was Ferdinand Piech's project before he lost his job at Porsche thanks to some... ummm... family affairs. (P.S.: I do believe during Group C days there are more cars going down Hunaudieres faster than 917 already. It's just that even the 956 was not Piech's work)
It would have been interesting to see if kubica won the race in Shanghai 2007 retired due to hydraulic failure if BMWs approach to the 2008 season would have been more aggressive?
Of all the big manufacturers BMW is by far the one I’d most like to see on the current grid. We’ve got Mercedes, Audi will be here soon… If BMW came back it would be peak “Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday”
0:40 gee - I was a bit shocked for a second, because I had the video in the background and was just on the WIndows Update..... and it was like: "WTF?"..... you know as if you knew I'm not watching and want to have me look at the video XD
Funny thing is that Sauber started as a bona fide factory team for Mercedes in Group C sportscars. Then Mercedes planned to enter F1 with Sauber as a factory team, but Mercedes pulled the plug before they turned up on the grid, making Sauber a privateer again. About a decade later, BMW wanted their factory team instead of being just an engine developer and bought Sauber, only for them to drop out after only a few years, only for sauber to be saved by the original owner and become privateer again. Almost twenty years later, AUDI want to enter a works team and buys Sauber... So now Sauber has been a factory team for the three largest car brands in Germany in its 30+ years in F1! I hope the same pattern does not persist and AUDI drops out after a few unsuccessful years. Perhaps thrid time lucky?
They could of won the Championship in 2008 or at least made a good challenge till the end of the season. i can understand how annoyed Kubica was that they didn't carry on developing the 2008 Car.
13:45 Also worth nothing that Lewis was giving his farther & manager at the time for being involved in a crash a few days previously....little did he know 😂
Sauber were the "works" Mercedes team in sportscar racing before entering F1. They ran the young German F3 champion, Michael Schumacher. The original plan was for Mercedes to enter F1 with them, but pulled out because of the cost. How different things could have been.
Yeah, Mercedes definitely did the constructor thing. They let Sauber enter as the Mercedes-engined team as a sort of soft works team, and if Sauber didn't do well, then they could just walk away without looking like they failed.
3:40 Now, I'm not the biggest fan of the NAPA Fords, but ITV are, and the BTCC are, so I know what they look like. I'm also fairly familiar with the best Scottish circuit there is. I have a slight doubt about the legend for this particular image.
also bmw had Intel Sponsorship which from 2006-2009 which were ISI (a.k.a Motorsport Games) partnered with Intel to Bring the F1.06 into rFactor but sadly didnt happened due to licensing issues but ISI added the F1.07 as a Addon also the F1.08 appeared in the rFactor Special edition but not on the main game also rFactor is a evolution of the F1 Challenge 99-02 but without F1 License
Live for Speed got the 06 BMW/Sauber instead, abnd then later on a Formula BMW as well just to complete the set of where did each BMW/Sauber car end up. With LFS and RF1's engines, both cars managed to look amazing but not really fit into either sim's art style. LFS, you had fictional tracks that the BMW looked entirely out of place on until you found the right car/track combo, Aton or Westhill with the Sauber were a treat to drive. Also LFS somehow got the race suit, JV and Quick Nick's helmets, and the ability to do custom liveries for the BMW with paint templates, no idea how or why Scavier pulled that one off but it was, likely still is, a thing RF1, default tracks did not do the cars, even stock fake RF1 content, no favors, they stuck out vs the engine, I seem to recall Northampton being the one of the worst for this and never knew if someone out there fixed the texture work for the default Northampton track or not though. To me, again as with LFS,you had to find the right car/track combot that not only looked good, but also drove well. Parts of Essington did but then other bits of other tracks were just awful to drive in that car, but then I gather that's accurate for the 07 Sauber though. Sardian Heights was always a pet peeve of mine though for how utterly awful the track was with the Sauber, but it was antastic in slower machinery
@@bduddy55555 yeah. It was bought by Studio 397 which was a branch of Luminis and then Motorsport Games acquired it. I was working with them when it was Marcel Offermans leading the studio and carried on when MSG took over. Shame it’s all in the air over there cos they’re a good bunch.
I'm starting to feel more and more sorry for Sauber. They are a Name, they really try and are able to decently compete. But unlike other privateers, they were also always a plaything for whichever factory brand they worked with. Sometimes it worked but more often it didn't. McLaren/TAG or Honda, it was a McLaren. Williams/Renault or Honda, it was a Williams. Sauber? Alfa Romeo had nothing to do but provide the name and the money, but the name trumped. Stake? Ok, that is ridiculous enough that we decided to call them Sauber again. We did, not Sauber themselves. Why are they such pushovers when it comes to brand pride? Peter Sauber deserves a better legacy than this. The Sauber/Mercedes C9 is one of my hero cars, and it was a Sauber. In my mind, anyway. But even now, the title is BMW Sauber, not Sauber powered by BMW. I hate that.
9:45 I might be crazy but isn’t it just M, M Motorsport, or M Performance? Nothing on BMW’s site says M Sport anywhere. Yet M-Sport is the modern abbreviation of Malcolm Wilson Sport the rally/gt4 car builders. This always has been something that I found odd and have never found any clear answer on.
easy to say now. What if they had made a fabulous car and won the next 3 or 4 years? Also no guarantee they would have won the championship had they kept developing that year.
Sauber with Mercedes, Sauber with BMW and now Sauber with Audi. Now I can't decide is Sauber the dude that has successive relationships with the 3 hot chicks from next door or is Sauber the girl who ...yeah never mind. But it is curious how as a team, Sauber has never been able to break into the top echelon of F1 despite what has clearly always been a super solid team, a bit like the Nick Heidfeld equivalent. Their best seasons were 2001 (4th) as an independent team and 2007 (2nd) as a BMW works team.
They could of at least finished ahead of McLaren Mercedes in the Standings and Kubica could of finished Ahead of Raikkonen in the Standings and closer to Massa and Hamilton.
I kinda understand what BMW did in 2008. Explanation: BMW F1 team was a branch of BMW, which is (Captain Obviousness incoming!) a car manufacturer. Therefore, the F1 team has to follow the orders of someone who has other things to do and does things quite differently. BMW does the same as any other car manufacturer, and their 2, 3, 5, whatever-years plans are the same as the others'. Take for example Ebro. Here in Spain Ebro was a much respected tractor and truck manufacturer, and now some headhonchos are trying to revive the brand using what remains of the Nissan plant near Barcelona. Of course they have planned everything, and their plans include to multiply their sales of 45k € (or more) SUVs (which still have to hit the streets) by 15 in 5 years time, increasing the company value up to astronomical quantities in the process. In 5 years. Whether they're aware of the world they're living in or not is a different matter, but they DO have a plan and things will be done according to plan. And BMW had a plan, the plan was coming out great so why not sticking to it? Much in the line of Ebro, plans are a way of not having to constantly decide what your next stel will be. I can understand that for large companies (even if sometimes it leads to catastrophic decissions) and BMW is no little local workshop exactly, so I understand why they did what they did... but for an F1 team in such a changing environment that is suicide.
"If you had, one shot or one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted, in one moment, would you capture it? Or just let it slip?" BMW let it slip.
Wait.. You claim BMW knew how to build a race car in the context of an F1 car... on the basis of an engine in the early 80's, building a popular road car, winning 6 specialist really events in 20 years and a few touring car titles? That's a stretch... On that basis Ford would also make a great F1 team because they won a load of BTCC races and made the Focus RS.
to think weve got a good package, we just did a 1-2 we have 2 good drivers we can have a tilt at both championships - no, lets drop everything and work on next years car with a reg change that will put us who knows where. Terrible decision making
Kubica's story is such a roller coaster!
- Has one of the biggest crashes in F1
- Wins at the same track a year later
- Misses out on the title that year because BMW decide not to upgrade the car
- Signs for Ferrari just when they are about to get good
- Crashes again in Rally
- Comes back to the sport nearly a decade later with amazing fan support
- Scores just 1 point across the whole year while the team was heading for a complete collapse
- Wins LMP2 WEC
- wins wrc2 title
- loses le mans because car broke on the last lap
- wins hypercar race with ferrari
@@98RandR The Adventure of Robert Kubica
Stood in for Kimi in 2021
I was sure he was dead in Montreal. The car just disintegrated. The fact it was just minor injuries is a testament to how far safety had come. The sport is so much better for it.
Bmw and Kubica in 2008, oh what could have been...we could have had a nice 3-way battle for the title..
BMW= Blown More Wins!!!
and yet the fools decided to switch focus to 2009, only to make a shit car in 2009
I wonder too what would it be 🤔🤔
4-way..
It's not the first time when the Germans did the Poles dirty.
It's crazy how those manufacture teams that left in '08 or '09 missed their big opportunities literally by their request. Firstly BMW by not developing their car in '08, then Honda by selling their team and basically ideal car in '09 and then Toyota which apparently had a great car for '10 leaving. It's insane
But also BMW Sauber is kinda a perfect explanation why i hate 5 year plans in sports. Nobody is standing still for you to catch up, everyone else is working hard, and you have to understand it. Yeah having goals is important but you have to go forward all the time no matter if you are not meeting your expectations or exceeding them. Having hard placed goals while competing with others at the very top makes no sense and will either ruin natural progression of the team (like it did with BMW Sauber) or end up creating a lot of chaos because of not meeting next to impossible goals (like with Alpine and borderline Aston). You can't do that in this sport, well in reality you can't do that in every sport, because others might influence your progression more than yourself
Love that John Newhouse wink, never stop doing that. Shoutout to Geoff Crammond
@@TheBrummi10 every time I do the joke someone comes along saying it would translate to Newtown.
Some people are just too young to get it.
I feel BMW Sauber's 2008 is the worst example of competitivity and marketing as a company. For a company like BMW that prides itself in winning races and championships in pretty much every category in the world they've had cars racing in, to throw away such an opportunity to get themselves into F1 history WITH A FACTORY TEAM should have been a marketing decision enough to give it all in 2008. It's a shame, actually.
Agree
“A fully fledged factory formula 1 team”
Say that 10 times quickly 😂
@@Woodie-xq1ew the bit about Villeneuve being mr you can’t use my name took six ten minutes to get right. 😒
@@AidanMillward yeah it’s a pain in the arse when you can’t get your mouth into gear
that’s not a tongue twister
James May would be proud of that "Hello"
Toyota, Honda and BMW in 2009 and Renault (Alpine) today are perfect examples of corporates doing the opposite of how to run a race team.
@@asterixdogmatix1073 Forgot Ford tenure. Same story incompetent people who has 0 experience with F1 world
The Brabham BMW qualifying engine was 1500 hp. The race engine was somwhere around 950-1000hp. There never was a definitive number for the race engine.
i got a feeling that those qualifying engines lasted barely the time needed to set a lap time before went boom
@@Cynderfan35 They had to tear 'em down and rebuild after qualifying. Like a Top Fuel or Funny Car.
Myth. It was not racing at near 950-1000. Maybe for a lap or two if necessary, otherwise those turbos were generally cranked down to last the race.
I thought those engines topped out at 850bhp in race trim
Heidfeld was quite underrated imo
Quick Nick certainly deserved one or two wins
7:14 I heard it as Shameless Malarkey at first 😂😂😂
@@josephnus a malarkey joke was in the works but couldn’t come up with something that was funny
First of all great work here 👏
As a history lover I do love these pieces looking back on teams of old
In addition to the series that Aidan mentioned, BMW also tried to get into Indycar in the mid 90's (around 1994-95 to be exact) as a way of competing with Mercedes in that series & were in talks with PacWest Racing to enter Indycar in 1996. However the infamous "Split" between IRL & CART ended all hope of BMW entering as they wanted to compete at the Indy 500 & with CART largely shut out of the race due to the 25/8 rule, BMW said it was not worth it to enter CART & instead focused their efforts on entering the American Le Mans Series when it started in 1999 as part of their marketing strategy in North America. In an ironic twist, PacWest Racing would later use Mercedes engines from 1997-2000 .
I love these videos! Especially during this 'short' F1 break
The irony of "German efficiency" screwing over A "German" team
If anything, Audi is starting further back than BMW did. The current cars are garbage; the company is in turmoil, and like during the Alfa days, one driver is there for sponsors, the other is on his retirement cruise. Audi supposedly has their 2026 engine development on schedule (there's that word again), they hired someone who was maligned at Ferrari yet without the Maranello politics is making headway slowly. And next year's drivers? Hulkenberg was the previous regime's choice, and the second seat is looking more and more like it'll either be taken by whoever's left (Bottas) or a rookie who is managing to make an impression in the Williams (Colopinto)
@@arthuralford They will be backfooted from the get go. Pre-BMW Sauber was occasionally in points
Thanks for another great video Aidan! Just a couple thoughts on this subject. First and foremost BMW's Sauber time was their first time owning a team outright but it was a continuation of their, at that time, latest F1 foray not their absolute first time like Audi. Secondly, it's rather unfair to suggest Williams BMW wasn't Mega when they were up against Newey's McLaren and The Michael's Ferrari dream team, but arguably still managed to make the most powerful or highest revving engine of the era. One can only wonder how much better they'd have done if they hadn't wanted to own a team outright and stayed with Williams.
Not unfair to suggest at all. That Williams was an unreliable POS that JPM made the best of.
Montoya got 4 of his 7 wins in the BMW Williams. To be honest, I'd forgotten that he'd gotten 3 wins with McLaren. To be totally honest, I'd forgotten that he drove for McLaren!
Would you make out with Montoya for 2 free general admission tickets to the F1 race of your choice?
I hadn’t forgotten.
@@HolyGuacamolean He's a dude, so no. But I'd do some shady stuff for VIP pit passes, though, so lets not rule anything out!
@@AeroGuy07 😂
That Kubica smash in Canada is one of those crashes that will always live with me, because at the time, i was fearful for his life !
Fast forward 1 year & he was on the top step of the podium.
That is a video on it's on !
Also, give us the martin brundle career bundle !
Not carrying on developing the 2008 made them look like Wan-Kers.
Definitely not rockstars.
easy to say now. What if they had made a fabulous car and won the next 3 or 4 years? Also no guarantee they would have won the championship had they kept developing that year.
Thank you!
Great channel 👏🏼
F1 2006 & 2010 Saubers my favourites
2010 Sauber has nothing with BMW, only the name because deadline was passed to change entry name.
2008 BMW Sauber was the best looking.
Oh, we're at 1600 BHP already? When do we reckon we get to 1700, 2027?
@@TehMehKehIen Tuesday.
The BMW Sauber 1-2 finish at the Canadian GP in 2008 reminded me of the Jordan 1-2 finish in 1998.
Toyota & Jaguar get all the headlines, but for me BMW is the worst example, why manufacturers/corporations are so awful at running F1 teams. They somehow got the hard part right and had a competitive car, but chose to throw it all away because the plan was championship in 2009, not 2008.
At the time there was a story going around that one reason they did that was due to marketing. They were launching a new range of pseudo-'hybrid' cars and had a marketing campaign planned based around their new Kers 'hybrid' F1 car.
Of course their Kers & chassis was so bad that like most of the other manufacturers they couldn't get it off the car fast enough. (Iirc) only McLaren ran Kers for the whole season (with the exception of Silverstone, where there was too little braking to recharge it).
I would have loved to have seen how effective the Williams kers would have been, as they were designing it around a flywheel rather than a battery.
@@JohnSmithShields Their system was supplied to one of the sportscar prototype teams (Porsche, iirc) and was very successful there. It had some efficiency benefits over batteries.
What prevented Williams using it in F1 was the late change to ban refuelling for 2010. Williams' system took up more space than battery based systems. (Iirc it was to have been housed within the fuel tank, rather than sitting below it as the battery packs do.)
Ah, the Beemer turbos: the gully cat of lumps. Last I heard the HP count was somewhere north of eleventy-seven thousand. Legend.
Only gripe with the Titel in 2010 BMW has nothing to do anymore with the Team thats why in the entry IT was called BMW Sauber Ferrari so that Peter sauber could buy His Team Back from BMW at the end of 2009
That was a strange name
@kevinprior3549 because BMW got Out at the end of 2009 Peter sauber buyed His Team Back but the license for 2010 entry list was BMW sauber but BMW wohnt give Engines anymore and thats when Ferrari got in and Back together with the sauber Team thats why this Name came together.
Yes it was depressing seeing Kubica fade away at the end.
The Race did this exact video last week. It's a really good lesson in not wasting potential. Much like the Toyota story
It was in 2008 they should have carried on with the development of the car instead of focusing on the 2009 car.
After 2009 BMW Sauber only was the name, because they applied 2010 with this name and deadline was passed a long time ago to change the entry name for Peter Sauber.
and bmw was okay with Sauber using the name, which led to the funny team name "BMW Sauber Ferrari"
@@nihildwo4874 it was impossible to change. Entry applied way before BMW pulled the plug
Why in the green hell would you not want your name using in a video game let alone an F1 video game? I mean, even if you stand to make no financial gain whatsoever that's still one hell of a brag you can do to the grandkids one day.
7:06 I understood that reference
Villeneuve's 2006 was good, tbh. He just had many crashes and unlucky moments. Martin Brundle himself said that he never saw Jacques driving that good in his F1 career.
Yeah, I was so pissed for Bob. He had a righteous gripe for ‘08 post-Canada…
Audi is buying into a more underfunded and depleted team than what bmw bought into. It's going to be much tougher for them now given the cost cap. Would be interesting to see how the reg changes for 26 would benefit or hurt this new venture. All along, kudos to Peter Sauber for showing leadership and courage and keeping the team and 100s of skilled people's livelihoods alive
BMW supplied Arrows in the 80s and my friend, Dave Wass said he could fire it up to 1400 bhp in qualifying before it melted.
It’s the team that I feel in love head over heels when they first showed the 06 car at KLCC in Malaysia and I still have that photo of it taken by my dad. It’s the one and only team which I gave 100% support as a fan and when BMW announced they were leaving it broke my heart to bits. Yes Sauber is still around but BMW Sauber is just something different. Whoever decided to screw up the 2008 progress I always wished that person/ group of people slip in the shower all the bloody time.
awesome video, certaily some odd decioins made by BMW top brass here, hopefully Audi top brass will learn from it
If onlu bwm had kept developing that 08 car, couldve been a great comeback victory steal.
Yes
4:34 and that is why I say that the current engines are the most powerful ever in race trim, because if I just say they're the most powerful people always chime in with "ooh 1,400 bhp BMW".
4:52 images you can hear
"THE MAN'S AN ANIMAL!"
Also, the story of Veyron is one of the most fascinating story in automotive industry. Forget about selling the most exquisite most expensive subject to nouveau riches like today's hypercars. Veyron was about Ferdinand Piech's grudge in motorsport. He could have settled with 400kph, he could have settled with 402.25kph (which is 250mph), but no. He want it to be 407kph. Because that's the record at Hunaudieres Straight (okay, MULSANNE) held by the Welter-Meunier-Peugeot P88 in 1988 Le Mans (I think you covered that story in your story of Group C cars). A record it took away from Porsche 917. Which was Ferdinand Piech's project before he lost his job at Porsche thanks to some... ummm... family affairs.
(P.S.: I do believe during Group C days there are more cars going down Hunaudieres faster than 917 already. It's just that even the 956 was not Piech's work)
It would have been interesting to see if kubica won the race in Shanghai 2007 retired due to hydraulic failure if BMWs approach to the 2008 season would have been more aggressive?
I wonder how many engine parts RB has 3d laser scanned? 😅
You and the boys at the Race clearly think along similar lines. Also, do you follow Big Zeddie?
Isn't Credit Suisse one of those banks that keeps getting into trouble?
Messed up the Kers system and the front wing.
I really liked the look of the 2008 car.
Of all the big manufacturers BMW is by far the one I’d most like to see on the current grid.
We’ve got Mercedes, Audi will be here soon… If BMW came back it would be peak “Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday”
0:40 gee - I was a bit shocked for a second, because I had the video in the background and was just on the WIndows Update..... and it was like: "WTF?"..... you know as if you knew I'm not watching and want to have me look at the video XD
Funny thing is that Sauber started as a bona fide factory team for Mercedes in Group C sportscars. Then Mercedes planned to enter F1 with Sauber as a factory team, but Mercedes pulled the plug before they turned up on the grid, making Sauber a privateer again. About a decade later, BMW wanted their factory team instead of being just an engine developer and bought Sauber, only for them to drop out after only a few years, only for sauber to be saved by the original owner and become privateer again. Almost twenty years later, AUDI want to enter a works team and buys Sauber... So now Sauber has been a factory team for the three largest car brands in Germany in its 30+ years in F1!
I hope the same pattern does not persist and AUDI drops out after a few unsuccessful years. Perhaps thrid time lucky?
They could of won the Championship in 2008 or at least made a good challenge till the end of the season. i can understand how annoyed Kubica was that they didn't carry on developing the 2008 Car.
It was depressing watching BMW Sauber drop off in form in 2008.they should of gone for it that year.
I always liked Nick heidfeld
Same so did I.
13:45
Also worth nothing that Lewis was giving his farther & manager at the time for being involved in a crash a few days previously....little did he know 😂
Sauber were the "works" Mercedes team in sportscar racing before entering F1. They ran the young German F3 champion, Michael Schumacher. The original plan was for Mercedes to enter F1 with them, but pulled out because of the cost. How different things could have been.
@@PenryMMJ in the first 2 Sauber years they were de facto factory team
Yeah, Mercedes definitely did the constructor thing. They let Sauber enter as the Mercedes-engined team as a sort of soft works team, and if Sauber didn't do well, then they could just walk away without looking like they failed.
@@n8pls543 you mean f1 Tenure
I love the 2006 cars. They look like little spaceships with the wings all over the place
Yes I loved the 2006 cars too.
3:40 Now, I'm not the biggest fan of the NAPA Fords, but ITV are, and the BTCC are, so I know what they look like. I'm also fairly familiar with the best Scottish circuit there is. I have a slight doubt about the legend for this particular image.
Yes it was a Opportunity Squandered.
also bmw had Intel Sponsorship which from 2006-2009 which were ISI (a.k.a Motorsport Games) partnered with Intel to Bring the F1.06 into rFactor but sadly didnt happened due to licensing issues but ISI added the F1.07 as a Addon also the F1.08 appeared in the rFactor Special edition but not on the main game
also rFactor is a evolution of the F1 Challenge 99-02 but without F1 License
@@nowind37 and then I did work for Studio 397 which now owns rFactor2. Small world.
Live for Speed got the 06 BMW/Sauber instead, abnd then later on a Formula BMW as well just to complete the set of where did each BMW/Sauber car end up. With LFS and RF1's engines, both cars managed to look amazing but not really fit into either sim's art style.
LFS, you had fictional tracks that the BMW looked entirely out of place on until you found the right car/track combo, Aton or Westhill with the Sauber were a treat to drive. Also LFS somehow got the race suit, JV and Quick Nick's helmets, and the ability to do custom liveries for the BMW with paint templates, no idea how or why Scavier pulled that one off but it was, likely still is, a thing
RF1, default tracks did not do the cars, even stock fake RF1 content, no favors, they stuck out vs the engine, I seem to recall Northampton being the one of the worst for this and never knew if someone out there fixed the texture work for the default Northampton track or not though. To me, again as with LFS,you had to find the right car/track combot that not only looked good, but also drove well. Parts of Essington did but then other bits of other tracks were just awful to drive in that car, but then I gather that's accurate for the 07 Sauber though. Sardian Heights was always a pet peeve of mine though for how utterly awful the track was with the Sauber, but it was antastic in slower machinery
ISI is not related to Motorsport Games. ISI was the original developer of rFactor 2 but divested it long before the purchase by MSG.
@@bduddy55555 yeah. It was bought by Studio 397 which was a branch of Luminis and then Motorsport Games acquired it.
I was working with them when it was Marcel Offermans leading the studio and carried on when MSG took over. Shame it’s all in the air over there cos they’re a good bunch.
wasn't this yesterdays video?
Nvm. Just another BMW story. Thank you Aidan
I'm starting to feel more and more sorry for Sauber. They are a Name, they really try and are able to decently compete. But unlike other privateers, they were also always a plaything for whichever factory brand they worked with. Sometimes it worked but more often it didn't. McLaren/TAG or Honda, it was a McLaren. Williams/Renault or Honda, it was a Williams. Sauber? Alfa Romeo had nothing to do but provide the name and the money, but the name trumped. Stake? Ok, that is ridiculous enough that we decided to call them Sauber again. We did, not Sauber themselves. Why are they such pushovers when it comes to brand pride? Peter Sauber deserves a better legacy than this. The Sauber/Mercedes C9 is one of my hero cars, and it was a Sauber. In my mind, anyway. But even now, the title is BMW Sauber, not Sauber powered by BMW. I hate that.
9:45 I might be crazy but isn’t it just M, M Motorsport, or M Performance? Nothing on BMW’s site says M Sport anywhere. Yet M-Sport is the modern abbreviation of Malcolm Wilson Sport the rally/gt4 car builders. This always has been something that I found odd and have never found any clear answer on.
Here's a question, what if BMW and Toyota had not left the grid at the end of 2009?
What a bad decision to make concentrating on the 2009 car.
easy to say now. What if they had made a fabulous car and won the next 3 or 4 years? Also no guarantee they would have won the championship had they kept developing that year.
@@johncrow5552 Kubica still had a chance in 2008. 2009 car was a disaster anyway. The 2008 car was way more better looking Ha.
@@johncrow5552 they still could of made a good car in 2009 if they didn’t do what they did.
@@johncrow5552Kubica could of at least finished ahead of Raikkonen in the Standings and closer to Massa and Hamilton.
@@tristanwhite3472 They couldn't make a good 2009 car EVEN tho they started early. It would have been a disaster had they started it even later.
Another case of too many cooks (aka _chefs_ or "chiefs"). Had they left the organisation to Peter Sauber, who knows what would have happened.
Sauber with Mercedes, Sauber with BMW and now Sauber with Audi. Now I can't decide is Sauber the dude that has successive relationships with the 3 hot chicks from next door or is Sauber the girl who ...yeah never mind.
But it is curious how as a team, Sauber has never been able to break into the top echelon of F1 despite what has clearly always been a super solid team, a bit like the Nick Heidfeld equivalent. Their best seasons were 2001 (4th) as an independent team and 2007 (2nd) as a BMW works team.
They put to much effort development on the 2009 car they cocked it up.
They could of at least finished ahead of McLaren Mercedes in the Standings and Kubica could of finished Ahead of Raikkonen in the Standings and closer to Massa and Hamilton.
I kinda understand what BMW did in 2008. Explanation:
BMW F1 team was a branch of BMW, which is (Captain Obviousness incoming!) a car manufacturer. Therefore, the F1 team has to follow the orders of someone who has other things to do and does things quite differently. BMW does the same as any other car manufacturer, and their 2, 3, 5, whatever-years plans are the same as the others'. Take for example Ebro. Here in Spain Ebro was a much respected tractor and truck manufacturer, and now some headhonchos are trying to revive the brand using what remains of the Nissan plant near Barcelona. Of course they have planned everything, and their plans include to multiply their sales of 45k € (or more) SUVs (which still have to hit the streets) by 15 in 5 years time, increasing the company value up to astronomical quantities in the process. In 5 years. Whether they're aware of the world they're living in or not is a different matter, but they DO have a plan and things will be done according to plan. And BMW had a plan, the plan was coming out great so why not sticking to it?
Much in the line of Ebro, plans are a way of not having to constantly decide what your next stel will be. I can understand that for large companies (even if sometimes it leads to catastrophic decissions) and BMW is no little local workshop exactly, so I understand why they did what they did... but for an F1 team in such a changing environment that is suicide.
"You know that top 8 got points when before it was top 6 instead likr now it's top 10 - ONLY IF YOU FOLLOW ME" 😂😂😂😂😂
jaaa...
Jacques Villeneuve should have stuck to his music.
Heidfeld did a great Job in 2007.
The BMW way.
Yes BMW Sauber maybe could have taken 2nd from McLaren in 2008 in the Contructors Championship.
I would say 2005 & 2009 were Toyotas Best seasons in F1.
BMW Sauber messed up big time in 2008.
BMW could have went all in for 2008 and get double championships, drivers and constructors.
"If you had, one shot or one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted, in one moment, would you capture it?
Or just let it slip?"
BMW let it slip.
They snapped back to reality,
Oh there goes gravity
Choked he's so mad so he...
Quit formula one.
@@AidanMillward Good one
They cocked it up in 2009.
They should have concentrated on the development of the 2008 car! But decided to put all the development on the 2009 car. Big mistake they made.
Basically Williams weren't the issue, it was BMW
They were both at fault. Williams were also poor with some decisions they made with the car. The walrus nose wasn't on BMW.
Wait.. You claim BMW knew how to build a race car in the context of an F1 car... on the basis of an engine in the early 80's, building a popular road car, winning 6 specialist really events in 20 years and a few touring car titles?
That's a stretch...
On that basis Ford would also make a great F1 team because they won a load of BTCC races and made the Focus RS.
I thought it was "new town"
@@djbadlt it is
BMW was too humble in 2008😂
Kubica maybe could of won the Championship or at least finished above Raikkonen in the Standings and closer to Massa and Hamilton l
BMW Sauber could of won the Championship in 2008.
BMW - Bring Me Wins
Grip traction.
Start doing peices on designers?
2008 was much better than 2007.
Toyota I am on about.
Squandered? Is that really fair?
BMW were the 3rd fastest team & were not quick enuf to beat Ferrari & McLaren at the time.
to think weve got a good package, we just did a 1-2 we have 2 good drivers we can have a tilt at both championships - no, lets drop everything and work on next years car with a reg change that will put us who knows where. Terrible decision making
BMW can't come back to F1 because they wont manufacture a V6 engine. 🤓
well if audi isnt enough f1 should allow russian car brands to join since marussia in 2014 or bring dacia or vanwall isotta fraschini or lancia
The 2009 car was a Joke compared to 2008.
I hope audi/sauber are better than bmw sauber
Kers was the problem.
The robot vomit aero appendage mid 00s cars look SO COOL