They should organise a yearly rescue competition for any rope access/mountain guides etc to compete against each other in simulated rescue situations to really find out what are the best techniques and what they can learn from each other's disciplines
Dont forget the tree guys: -Preforming aerial rescue on a 100' single stemmed tree or a 70' canopy with limb-walking involved (in the rain) from a central tie in+redirect -Powerlines 8 feet from the trunk limiting bucket lift rescue -No additional safety lines pre-set -Climbing with spikes on your feet, rated boots with a rigid shank inside, and sometimes foot ascenders as well -Ascending single line and switching over to double for movement and descending -Knowledge of tree composition and healthy anchor points and crotches -Knowledge of common eye-to-eye friction hitches. blakes, tautline, distel, swaybish, VT, Michican, -Setting your own line from the ground with a throwline + slingshot, redirecting it carefully, and then stringing your rope all remotely. Needless to say it carries its own set of skills.
I guess my opinion is there is a lot more to ropes and rescue .ropes access is geared towards preventing the fall NFPA ropes rescue is geared more towards treating a patient that has had a fall or injury and it is a lot more technical than it seems you are expecting should probably spend some time with a ropes team to see first hand.but I will admit that ropes access is a very good level of certification for safety
I can think of only one reason to carry heavy, bulky, ANSI-rated stuff: to comply with regulations. Otherwise, weighing yourself down as a rescuer is a very foolish decision.
yep, and it's also something of a monopoly. These Rope access institutions make maintaining certifications, which become required by management policies, ridiculously expensive and arbitrary to maintain. $
In arbor culture and line clearance tree trimming we have heavy, bulky stuff too due to ANSI and OSHA standards. But a lot of our climbing stuff can blend in with the rigging gear so its a good to have more distinct biners and the use of snaps so they dont get mixed up. Usually its aluminum for climbing and steel for rigging. Also, our Ropes are 1/2" or 11mm minimum to deal with the abrasion. And our systems are designed to ascend and descend. Some even ascend using single rope and then switch over to double rope for canopy work and descending.
That ain't no joke. I just found this. I am getting more pissed off at the industry bureaucracies by the day. A bunch of idiots that I don't want around me.
Good point Danny! But if the rescuer ends up being significantly lighter than his victim, they may have no choice but to go with a mechanical advantage system. Thanks for the comment.
+pmirope True, and not being smart, but in the real world, this is a rescue scenario. Once casualty is attached to rescuer, just use a knife. Rope access tech is now free and no different from a climber or any other scenario the rescue team is experienced for.
The problem with aligning yourself as a backcountry rescuer versus a rope accession technician is the weight of all that gear this guy is talking about......much of the time in back country rescue you are flying in to a drop off, hiking to where the rescue is, and effecting a rescue all in a small team.The weather can often be fair to miserable compounding how much gear you can actually carry.Then you have to get out of there with your patient.So no I dont agree at all that these two separate industries will ever be the same for these reasons. Certain techniques an gear will crossover but often you are using your training and compromising on equipment to ensure you have a safe rescue.
As a novice I'm curious if these mistakes were made by the rescuers or the rope workers? I think I would consider it a bigger deal if the rescuer was putting his rescuee's life in danger vs the rope worker simply being lax with his own safety...which is still wrong/ stupid.
I started climbing in 1986. I have NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY government agencies are taking over where they don't even have a clue what is going on. It really pisses me off Especially all of the mechanical and heavy duty stuff It's more stuff to fail is what it is
this video came off very condescending. and considering the simple mistakes made by rope access technicians, i’m not sure id trust them to rescue me more that i would a fellow climber. stick to climbing chimney stacks, guys
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It would be great to see an updated version of this video as hardgoods in BSAR are being used a lot more.
They should organise a yearly rescue competition for any rope access/mountain guides etc to compete against each other in simulated rescue situations to really find out what are the best techniques and what they can learn from each other's disciplines
Dont forget the tree guys:
-Preforming aerial rescue on a 100' single stemmed tree or a 70' canopy with limb-walking involved (in the rain) from a central tie in+redirect
-Powerlines 8 feet from the trunk limiting bucket lift rescue
-No additional safety lines pre-set
-Climbing with spikes on your feet, rated boots with a rigid shank inside, and sometimes foot ascenders as well
-Ascending single line and switching over to double for movement and descending
-Knowledge of tree composition and healthy anchor points and crotches
-Knowledge of common eye-to-eye friction hitches. blakes, tautline, distel, swaybish, VT, Michican,
-Setting your own line from the ground with a throwline + slingshot, redirecting it carefully, and then stringing your rope all remotely.
Needless to say it carries its own set of skills.
Pro trick : you can watch series on flixzone. Been using them for watching all kinds of movies these days.
@Otto Tobias Yup, I've been watching on flixzone for months myself =)
Grimpday! That competition exists. Its for teams, not individuals though.
very well done and informative
I guess my opinion is there is a lot more to ropes and rescue .ropes access is geared towards preventing the fall NFPA ropes rescue is geared more towards treating a patient that has had a fall or injury and it is a lot more technical than it seems you are expecting should probably spend some time with a ropes team to see first hand.but I will admit that ropes access is a very good level of certification for safety
Muy buen video, saludos desde Chile!
thank god this video is since 2010, when rope access was not so much mature as it is in 2024.
If possible there is a chance to send to me more technical arts?
I can think of only one reason to carry heavy, bulky, ANSI-rated stuff: to comply with regulations. Otherwise, weighing yourself down as a rescuer is a very foolish decision.
yep, and it's also something of a monopoly. These Rope access institutions make maintaining certifications, which become required by management policies, ridiculously expensive and arbitrary to maintain. $
In arbor culture and line clearance tree trimming we have heavy, bulky stuff too due to ANSI and OSHA standards. But a lot of our climbing stuff can blend in with the rigging gear so its a good to have more distinct biners and the use of snaps so they dont get mixed up. Usually its aluminum for climbing and steel for rigging. Also, our Ropes are 1/2" or 11mm minimum to deal with the abrasion. And our systems are designed to ascend and descend. Some even ascend using single rope and then switch over to double rope for canopy work and descending.
That ain't no joke. I just found this. I am getting more pissed off at the industry bureaucracies by the day. A bunch of idiots that I don't want around me.
A Quick counter balance instead of a 3:1 is much simpler on ascent rescue
Good point Danny! But if the rescuer ends up being significantly lighter than his victim, they may have no choice but to go with a mechanical advantage system. Thanks for the comment.
True !!!.. Ideal circumstances though, u wouldn't have a weak person conducting a rescue
+pmirope True, and not being smart, but in the real world, this is a rescue scenario. Once casualty is attached to rescuer, just use a knife.
Rope access tech is now free and no different from a climber or any other scenario the rescue team is experienced for.
man, I could see all that long hair getting tangled into the/a system....
just looked at this and was about to say the same actually...
The problem with aligning yourself as a backcountry rescuer versus a rope accession technician is the weight of all that gear this guy is talking about......much of the time in back country rescue you are flying in to a drop off, hiking to where the rescue is, and effecting a rescue all in a small team.The weather can often be fair to miserable compounding how much gear you can actually carry.Then you have to get out of there with your patient.So no I dont agree at all that these two separate industries will ever be the same for these reasons. Certain techniques an gear will crossover but often you are using your training and compromising on equipment to ensure you have a safe rescue.
As a novice I'm curious if these mistakes were made by the rescuers or the rope workers? I think I would consider it a bigger deal if the rescuer was putting his rescuee's life in danger vs the rope worker simply being lax with his own safety...which is still wrong/ stupid.
I started climbing in 1986. I have NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY government agencies are taking over where they don't even have a clue what is going on.
It really pisses me off
Especially all of the mechanical and heavy duty stuff
It's more stuff to fail is what it is
Hi
many mistakes....
this video came off very condescending. and considering the simple mistakes made by rope access technicians, i’m not sure id trust them to rescue me more that i would a fellow climber. stick to climbing chimney stacks, guys