@@petermcnallt12pm there really is no improvement of anything. They went back to wired drum kits instead of their wireless program that they had just to make more money.
The fact you always dreamed of it means it's not genius. This should have been a thing 5 to 10 years ago considering the price Roland has always charged.
From a website: The V71 module on its own will have an MSRP of $2,599.99 USD. The TD713 will have an MSRP of $6,399.99 USD, whilst the TD716 will have an MSRP of $7,999.99. The flagship VAD716 will have an MSRP of $8,999.99.
Roland’s idea of affordable is my definition of ripping expensive 😂. However, they ARE amazing. If I was a professional drummer or had lots of disposable income, I’d probably upgrade.
Got an efnote 5x for my 40th bday. After playing on it for a month or so, I have to say the samples from the efnote sound so much better and more real than the Roland. It took me a year to decide between the efnote and the Roland and now that I chose the efnote, I couldn't be happier. The efnote just sounds so real compared to the Roland. i can't get over it.
Very impressive gear! I’ve always liked what Roland V-Drums have to offer. Been a fan since the TD-10. The new module looks similar, so it should be familiar to regular Roland drummers. 👍
Almost 1 year ago I decided I would be a drummer. Damn you Chad Smith and Drumeo lol. I went out and bought a an acoustic set. I seriously underestimated how damn loud drums are so a couple months later I bought a td-17kvx2. I upgraded the floor tom and the rack. I absolutely love this damn thing. I haven't touched my acoustic set in months even though I should spend some more time on that. Now this is coming from a complete nweb but my only complaints about my td-17kvx2 is the sounds. Some are ok I guess but most of them kinda suck. I bought an expansion kit from the e-drum workshop. Money well spent there. If I had to do it all over again I probably would have stepped up to the td-27 considering I bought that rack. At the time when I bought these drum kits I didn't realize I would fall in love with this instrument. Now I just need to spend more time learning the drums rather than watching new TH-cam videos. 🤘
17:46 I keep seeing people hating on the huge kick drum but have never heard anyone defend it the way you did there, that's a good point it moves like an acoustic kick drum
As much as I love Roland drums, I still prefer my acoustic drums for live work as I play in small venues. If I had the cash I’d buy one, but it would be the td 716. ❤
The toms STILL machine gun trigger after 25 years. The round robin sounds great on snares rides and hats. But you can clearly hear the processing for toms is different. Are there not enough velocity samples for the toms?
Unfortunately, the module still only has a maximum of 14 inputs and unfortunately Roland does not offer any user-friendly expansion solutions, e.g. an additional module that can be connected to the main module via MIDI and uses its samples. Something like this happened in the past with the TMC-6... but that's long gone.
Ok this is getting really close to influencing a new purchase! - please tell me you are also paying as much attention to a range of future cymbal samples (i.e. Meinl) as you have with the drum samples - cymbal sounds at present are not where they could be in my humble opinion
@@iansargison585 there are heaps and you can sample your own of course. Combine with SoundWorks too you have many brands and 18 dynamic layers with 5 mics and add as many types of brands and sounds as you like
These look and sound like a giant leap and I'm sure a premium price tag will reflect this. My TD20 has just bitten the dust after 14 years of hard use so I suppose a remortgage is on the cards😁
So from watching this, it seems that if you have a VAD 500 or 700 series currently, the only necessary upgrade needed would be the new module. And if you want to buy a new snare to toggle that on and off (which I doubt many people actually need to do). I am kind of happy about that because when I bought the last series, I was always slightly nervous they would go all in on USB thus making the next upgrade to be a full, all pads included, upgrade.
I have had the TD 20 kit since 2009. I never was a fan of the snare sounds; they always sounded like a machine gun. I've been wanting to upgrade, but every module since the TD20 still had that lame snare sound. Well, I have a feeling that's all about to change. This kit sounds very natural so far. Time for a loan.
Literally just bought the TD-50K2 so I wish I knew this was coming out for the Bluetooth capabilities alone. Looks like they squeeze in the extra floor tom too on the same frame as the K2. At least I don’t have to pay for subscription services though…
This is nice I really like my TD 27 This looks looked a great upgrade However Im gonna check out the new cloud sounds first. I wonder if I can just buy the sound module and use it with my TD 27K
I downloaded soundworks months ago to use with my TD27, it was an absolute over complicated pain in the butt, I could not get my VH14 to trigger correctly with it. I deleted it. With this new module they still put the toms and cymbals on shared outputs. A big no no for me, I get brilliant sounds out of my TD27, I did upgrade to the 50X but I returned it after 1/2 a day as it was not considerably better than the TD27. The TD27 connected to a PC with a good DAW program you have 27 individual outs, full control over every pad. I don't do live just studio.
@@grumpy8413you can route sounds wherever you like with the TD-50 too. Toms can have their own outs, separate tracks in the DAW when in vendor driver mode and every instrument on its own track. The latest Soundworks released a week ago is totally compatible with the digital hats and you can adjust to suit your playing. Give it another go for sure
Someone should do an video on "HOW TO GET THE BEST RIM SHOT SOUNDS ON ANY EDRUM MODULE." There's no videos I see about what to do in the settings to achieve this. That beautiful high screaming harmonic, like you hear in reggae songs. It's something I think a lot of drummers wound appreciate !!! Haina or no ? Hehehehehehe Yes I'm from Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania....lol Hope everyone is having a great day !!!!!! 👍😁👍
@@ShankDrums nice yeah you’d love Soundworks too then. You can even build your own kits in Soundworks with 18 layers of dynamics each layer with 8 nuances. Each sound can have 5 diff microphones. It’s immensely powerful.
WoW... Amazing... just amazing... don't know what to say otherwise... I personally wish to buy one... but in that f*** up times I would collect money like a 5-10 years for that xD; and hopping for war to to happening... definitely worth any penny... Congrats to all pp who creates those beauties :)
How is the rim shot ? I have the TD27 and digital snare and it's hard to get that high pitched reggae rim shot like on acoustic snares. Like: deep rim shot where you hit the head close to the center, while also hitting the rim, compared to holding your stick higher above at an angle, and hitting really close on the rim on the head while also hitting the rim at the same time, which on acoustic, gives you that high pitched harmonic that I love. Is this possible on the V71 and snare ? Also, is that snare compatible with the TD27 module ? I'd imagine they'd have to update the TD27 module to be able to use it on that module... That's what I'm most interested in, better hardware to module response so it's even more like acoustic drums. Also...lol Sorry, I know this is getting long, but, is there a bell zone on the digital hi hat on the V71 module ? That's another thing that would be nice to have too that I can't get on the TD27 and digital hi hat... GREAT explanation on the set !!! Nice playing too !!!!!! THANKS !!!!! Have a great day ! :-)
I have a request, on the most expensive kit can we have a shallow kick drum option? A 20x14 makes way more sense, even for live settings, it takes up so much less room and considering many will have these sets at home why make a kick so deep?
This module has a very very important topic, which is not only interesting fur drummers, but also for all areas where people work (or play ) with fast and strong movements and perhaps sweating a lot. I mean touchscreen versus buttons/switches/faders. For years it was the top of technology and new to have the best tap and slide touchscreens. But while playing and with lack of time it is a thousand times better to have a bigger zone or plenty room with a lot of remarkable reference points than a surface, big as a smart phone with only 5 buttons, but 8 different layers of editing levels. Lets get 3 steps back but with modern logic and possibilities.
Touch screen is hands down better. You want a large touch screen with a few knobs and faders to assign inputs to. Touch screen is just more versatile and then you have a few assignable physical controls for fine and quick adjustment.
@@levia2805 you can add hundreds. Multi-layer and combined with SoundWorks which is included you can create your own samples with 18 dynamic layers 8 nuances x 5 mics per sound!
@@dvamateur TD-50 introduced sample playback and modelling. V71 adds a drum synth too so all three possibilities happening in real-time. Make any sound you want or sample your faves.
I'm not sure if I understand that correctly, so these use samples as basis but modeling too for changing the sizes, tension etc? Or are these samples only?
Seem to be sample only, but they are implementing some modeling to the shaping of the sounds, which is something that software like Superior Drummer already do.
I want the 713 footprint with the 716 toms. I wonder if the BD is going to be better than the previous versions 140. That old one feels solid. This new BD looks lighter. If this new BD has no tech up date just cosmetic then I might keep using the old one. I will us Superior Drummer. The sounds are still way better than what I'm hearing on these demos so far. Do you have to have a subscription to use this set as is? If so then I just won't do any upgrades.
Subscription is not a good look, Neither is not having a large touch screen. I'm team Alesis at this point even though I own a td20. Alesis seems to be the only one pushing advancements and I believe the only reason Roland has finally moved to vst style triggering. Rolands just to expensive and under delivers... For example why not wireless triggering now that they own the tech... They hold things back just so they have something to add next time... Same thing with the digital versions of pads, they drip feed upgrades every generation.
Subscription service for a module and an ever increasing price…idk what to think Edit; i do know what to think, a subscription service for a DRUM MODULE, on a kit thats already £7700, thats just in europe. Are you fucking high
big. It's not a PC but a modelling, WAV and drum synth engine so you can do all three and also run soundworks for VST style kits which uses no internal space but if you like some of those, they load in...Best of all worlds...
@@tcellen2136 how many gigabyte is internal storage? 4gb 6gb ect, not trolling just interested my mimic has 120gb not saying its an issue but i would like to know before shelling out hard earned cash and alot to by the look of the cost, but high end i think worth it, however i like to be totally informed, i looked up manual no mention of internal storage size but says sd limited to 32gb
What if you had positional sensing and multiple samples using only three triggers per drum and it wasn’t in violation of Roland’s patents - fuck off completely !
Wait, the whole "V" was their psychical modelling generator. If they're just using a sample library, how us this then just about any other drum software library?
@@TruthAndMoreTruth it uses 3 user editable /layereable engines including modeling, wav triggering and drum synth and usb-c with low latency for streaming SoundWorks directly through the module and out the balanced outs through the p.a. There are also multilayered and fully tweakable DW kits that load directly in. SoundWorks also lets you create your own kits with your own samples. 18x8 layers with 5 mics per drum… huge
It makes sense they have diffusounds now like Yamaha because Roland now owns DW drums so they can take full advantage of recording their actual acoustic drums rather than their usual crap synthetic sound samples...this should be interesting. Yamaha vs Roland vs Efnote
*****QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER ***** Hi everyone !!! I'm trying to get this kind of reggae snare sound in this video I'm posting (below) at around 6 minutes in and 11:35min in. That high pitched crack when you hit the head as close to rim on an acoustic drum. I tighten the head more around the crotch area, and when I play reggae music, when I angle my stick and hit the head close to the rim, it's like a high pitched screaming kind of thing. Like a high ting !!! 😁👍 I can't get it to do this on my digital snare on the TD27. Have any of you tried this by chance or know how to achieve this ? I dont see how you can control the positional settings inside the snare, so the sensors closer to the rim can sound different. I do get lost in the settings though... I'm just wondering if this is possible, and if anyone can tell me the setting to look for ? The digital snare on the TD27 is a bit better then the one that came on my TD17KVX, but it's just still not everything I want. Close but no cigar anyways....lol Thanks ! Have a great day !!! :-) th-cam.com/video/sO1caTPEfug/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3jY29aXZ2-abttbE
I feel like the extreme effort taken to get electric drums to sound like acoustic drums is asinine. don’t get me wrong, I’m impressed by this kit, but I’d still choose a $300 pocket kit with a small set of Zildjian A’s over these kits. Now if electric kits were developed more like synths, then I’d be more interested. Or if electric kits were developed with pedals and effects in mind, like an electric guitar. You guys ever hear Dan Mayo play drums with all his effects? give me that in a box.
Subscription. Subscription. Subscription. Join the queue of organisations trying to bleed me dry. I'll be sticking with my TD30kv and second hand market on ebay. 8k? Are you kidding? As soon as someone cracks a slim VST, decent installable triggers and cracks latency, wraps them all (and can use all your older components), you're toast. I don't think its far away.
As much as I loved my kit, you just can't capture the response needed for a reggae drummer, sad to see the hi-hat has still not been developed further.
Calibration is step 1. Plays perfectly as long as they know what closed is via the calibration. They even recognize L&R hands and skin touch. Doesn’t get better and the new sound engine also allows it to recognize where on the Hats you are playing. Never been possible before
@@michaelschack I'll be watching for that video for sure !!! (Question and thoughts for your upcoming video) I have the TD27 with the digital snare and I've been trying to get a good high harmonic rim shot like in reggae drumming on the snare.... Can you please talk specifically, IF, the V71 can do different RIM SHOTS ? Like close to the rim so it let's off that high pitched harmonic SCREAMING ring !!!!! I've been looking for any video for years now that showcases this. I'm mostly interested in module to hardware integration that puts edrums in the same depth as acoustic drums. That would be a great step forward if this is the case with the V71 and the new snare !!! Also, is there a bell zone on the digital hi hat now ? That again would be a great step forward. If not, I'll probably just stick with my TD27...lol Can't wait to see yer video !!!! Have a great day !!! 👍😁👍 Ps. For that matter, can you please do a video on how to achieve "the best rim shots on any edrums ?" There's none of these types of videos. I'm not sure if it's even possible, but that would be awesome !!! Maybe an explanation of what settings would help achieve this, even if it's closer to the acoustic feel of it. Thanks !!!!
i cannot comprehend the point of making electronic drums with full size drum shells that are for aesthetic purposes only. if the shell contributes no sonic purpose, why bother?
Frequent Roland shell player here! The benefit is in ‘feel’. There is shell resonance on impact which makes the playing experience much more realistic. Of course the ‘look’ is part of it, but the shell resonance makes a huge difference in feel compared to the smaller plastic shell pads, at least for me
finally.. after like 40 years, roland departs from that FFT horrible sounds and implements real samples!!, Even thought in the producer perspective I can still hear the old days spilling out from my monitors. It is kind of good that they captured the raw flaws that some times happens with E-Drums 3:10 Choke not picking well Something that I don't quite like is how thin the hihat sounds
subscription.... NO. You are becoming as evil as all the car and tech companies..$$$$$ Also, still lacks dynamics, .. multi layers... as much as life>?? NO. same old poop
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So glad to see guy from Drum-Tec as part of Roland's promo!
Darby Todd you mean...
@@fitmydashcam hehe no Ralf
Thanks pal, actually I am not working with drum-tec anymore since end of 2023n though. Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming you still rocks ,i got your drums sticks signature great stuff ! 🎉
And DW too. Hardware designed by DW since become a part of Roland.
Nice that Roland has fixed their tired old Roland sound issue. These sound amazing. Roland has knocked it out of the park with these kits.
Finally, a big, important and long-needed step for Roland. Well done, I love it
They've had a flagship 21 range for some time and these 'full size kits' for some time, too. At 8 times the cost of a full kit lol
@@petermcnallt12pm there really is no improvement of anything. They went back to wired drum kits instead of their wireless program that they had just to make more money.
That snare throw off is absolutely genius for an e kit and something I have always dreamed off. Thank you so much Roland!
My regular snare has done that for 20 years...
@@petermcnallt12pm my bad, I meant it’s a cool addition for an electric snare drum 😅
The fact you always dreamed of it means it's not genius. This should have been a thing 5 to 10 years ago considering the price Roland has always charged.
"updates via paid cloud membership". on a £8k drum kit!!! not a hope - forget it Roland - I'm going with Alesis
For freeeee !
That is pretty greedy
I despise the subscription model for using hardware I've spent good money on. Please stop.
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Ralf Schumacher leute! 🔥💪🏻 and well done Roland! It’s all i want in a kit. Now the question is.. which liver and lung to sell so i can afford it? 😂
:-D
@@digitaldrumming Ehre wem Ehre gebührt !!
@@andreasbreitwieser1449 Danke AndI!
From a website:
The V71 module on its own will have an MSRP of $2,599.99 USD. The TD713 will have an MSRP of $6,399.99 USD, whilst the TD716 will have an MSRP of $7,999.99. The flagship VAD716 will have an MSRP of $8,999.99.
Roland’s idea of affordable is my definition of ripping expensive 😂. However, they ARE amazing. If I was a professional drummer or had lots of disposable income, I’d probably upgrade.
Got an efnote 5x for my 40th bday. After playing on it for a month or so, I have to say the samples from the efnote sound so much better and more real than the Roland. It took me a year to decide between the efnote and the Roland and now that I chose the efnote, I couldn't be happier. The efnote just sounds so real compared to the Roland. i can't get over it.
So I pay for drums big $$$, amd still have to add $$$ for subscription?
...bloody hell...this may just be the greatest Roland kit release in history...
The mention of subscription just made me want to turn around and buy an efnote. Which is what I’m going to do within 72 hours.
Great to see Ralf here, playing this new drum kit.
😃✌
Very impressive gear! I’ve always liked what Roland V-Drums have to offer. Been a fan since the TD-10. The new module looks similar, so it should be familiar to regular Roland drummers. 👍
All I heard was subscription
Yep. Lot of words no actual sounds or playing.
Yep. Drumming for the wealthy.
@@davemcdave2169This isn't drumming for the wealthy this is drumming for suckers.
This is a leapfrog product! Snare off, hihat control, ride control.. damn! Pretty sweet!
Almost 1 year ago I decided I would be a drummer. Damn you Chad Smith and Drumeo lol. I went out and bought a an acoustic set. I seriously underestimated how damn loud drums are so a couple months later I bought a td-17kvx2. I upgraded the floor tom and the rack. I absolutely love this damn thing. I haven't touched my acoustic set in months even though I should spend some more time on that. Now this is coming from a complete nweb but my only complaints about my td-17kvx2 is the sounds. Some are ok I guess but most of them kinda suck. I bought an expansion kit from the e-drum workshop. Money well spent there. If I had to do it all over again I probably would have stepped up to the td-27 considering I bought that rack. At the time when I bought these drum kits I didn't realize I would fall in love with this instrument. Now I just need to spend more time learning the drums rather than watching new TH-cam videos. 🤘
Connect it up to a computer and buy superior drummer
this kit sounds and looks gorgeous!
Ralf! Hell yeah, the best!
@@demonicsweaters ✌️🥁🍾🕺🏻🍸
I like Ralf Schumacher's watch. He can perfectly keep time with it 😅.
@@marvinpaerran8858 Man you’re into detail dude 😄 kind regards!
Ralph!!! Yes they finally got him in a Roland video!
Hell yeah
😄✌🍾
@@digitaldrumming I think I am the only one to spell your name correctly haha
17:46 I keep seeing people hating on the huge kick drum but have never heard anyone defend it the way you did there, that's a good point it moves like an acoustic kick drum
Respect ! Now let's add it to my cart 😊
As much as I love Roland drums, I still prefer my acoustic drums for live work as I play in small venues. If I had the cash I’d buy one, but it would be the td 716. ❤
An interesting new module and the legend Ralf!! 🔥
The toms STILL machine gun trigger after 25 years. The round robin sounds great on snares rides and hats. But you can clearly hear the processing for toms is different. Are there not enough velocity samples for the toms?
Unfortunately, the module still only has a maximum of 14 inputs and unfortunately Roland does not offer any user-friendly expansion solutions, e.g. an additional module that can be connected to the main module via MIDI and uses its samples. Something like this happened in the past with the TMC-6... but that's long gone.
Ok this is getting really close to influencing a new purchase! - please tell me you are also paying as much attention to a range of future cymbal samples (i.e. Meinl) as you have with the drum samples - cymbal sounds at present are not where they could be in my humble opinion
@@iansargison585 there are heaps and you can sample your own of course. Combine with SoundWorks too you have many brands and 18 dynamic layers with 5 mics and add as many types of brands and sounds as you like
These look and sound like a giant leap and I'm sure a premium price tag will reflect this. My TD20 has just bitten the dust after 14 years of hard use so I suppose a remortgage is on the cards😁
There's not a hope in hell you'll get me to pay what you're asking for one of these kits, and pay a subscription on top.
User sample import and layering all there! Catch some upcoming videos or my live clinic on VAD716 at PMT Manchester tonight
I am sold.
All i know is that TD716 is one of the most beautiful ekits i have ever seen.
Amazing tech guys. Cheers!
Sure wish they would make a 12" and 10" digital snare. The majority of us migrated to E-drums because we want to play a smaller and lighter kit.
Don’t forget the GIANT price tag!!
So from watching this, it seems that if you have a VAD 500 or 700 series currently, the only necessary upgrade needed would be the new module. And if you want to buy a new snare to toggle that on and off (which I doubt many people actually need to do). I am kind of happy about that because when I bought the last series, I was always slightly nervous they would go all in on USB thus making the next upgrade to be a full, all pads included, upgrade.
I have had the TD 20 kit since 2009. I never was a fan of the snare sounds; they always sounded like a machine gun. I've been wanting to upgrade, but every module since the TD20 still had that lame snare sound. Well, I have a feeling that's all about to change. This kit sounds very natural so far. Time for a loan.
🔥🔥🔥
Literally just bought the TD-50K2 so I wish I knew this was coming out for the Bluetooth capabilities alone. Looks like they squeeze in the extra floor tom too on the same frame as the K2. At least I don’t have to pay for subscription services though…
You dodged a bullet. (a bullet full of malware and microtransactions)
This is nice I really like my TD 27 This looks looked a great upgrade However Im gonna check out the new cloud sounds first. I wonder if I can just buy the sound module and use it with my TD 27K
yes you can!
Soundworks is also available to connect directly with your TD-27 right now
I downloaded soundworks months ago to use with my TD27, it was an absolute over complicated pain in the butt, I could not get my VH14 to trigger correctly with it. I deleted it. With this new module they still put the toms and cymbals on shared outputs. A big no no for me, I get brilliant sounds out of my TD27, I did upgrade to the 50X but I returned it after 1/2 a day as it was not considerably better than the TD27. The TD27 connected to a PC with a good DAW program you have 27 individual outs, full control over every pad. I don't do live just studio.
@@tcellen2136 Yes it is, wait till you try to get the VH14 to work with it. A complete balls up.
@@grumpy8413you can route sounds wherever you like with the TD-50 too. Toms can have their own outs, separate tracks in the DAW when in vendor driver mode and every instrument on its own track. The latest Soundworks released a week ago is totally compatible with the digital hats and you can adjust to suit your playing. Give it another go for sure
Beautiful!! 🔥
Someone should do an video on "HOW TO GET THE BEST RIM SHOT SOUNDS ON ANY EDRUM MODULE."
There's no videos I see about what to do in the settings to achieve this.
That beautiful high screaming harmonic, like you hear in reggae songs.
It's something I think a lot of drummers wound appreciate !!!
Haina or no ?
Hehehehehehe
Yes I'm from Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania....lol
Hope everyone is having a great day !!!!!!
👍😁👍
Agree…. Annoying how all the demos seem hard hitting rock not looking for nuanced sound
Amongst all the great updates, they added the 32 track multi out for your DAW!
@@ShankDrums been possible for many years already since TD50
@@onomatopoeidia oh I didn't know that, I have the TD17 running Ezdrummer3 currently. Thanks for the info
@@ShankDrums nice yeah you’d love Soundworks too then. You can even build your own kits in Soundworks with 18 layers of dynamics each layer with 8 nuances. Each sound can have 5 diff microphones. It’s immensely powerful.
@@onomatopoeidia super neat thank you for the recommendation!!!
Play more kits out of the module!!
Huh? There’s heaps going on and have a play. Any sound you want
That's the biggest recording console I've ever seen.
We need a sounds demo ASAP! Bring back Michael Schack!
Yes Roland! Yes!
I’m planning to get the Dw E kit, but worry about laptop capabilities . Would this module be a good alternative?
It works great with the DWe kit. The hub plugs directly into the USB input. The Control parameters and functions are built in.
WoW... Amazing... just amazing... don't know what to say otherwise... I personally wish to buy one... but in that f*** up times I would collect money like a 5-10 years for that xD; and hopping for war to to happening... definitely worth any penny... Congrats to all pp who creates those beauties :)
Awesome
Roland é Roland!
We see you Ralf 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@DAnthony14 ❤️✌️🤙
its my dream 🥺
LET’S FREAKING GO!!!! 🙌🏼
How is the rim shot ?
I have the TD27 and digital snare and it's hard to get that high pitched reggae rim shot like on acoustic snares.
Like: deep rim shot where you hit the head close to the center, while also hitting the rim, compared to holding your stick higher above at an angle, and hitting really close on the rim on the head while also hitting the rim at the same time, which on acoustic, gives you that high pitched harmonic that I love.
Is this possible on the V71 and snare ?
Also, is that snare compatible with the TD27 module ?
I'd imagine they'd have to update the TD27 module to be able to use it on that module...
That's what I'm most interested in, better hardware to module response so it's even more like acoustic drums.
Also...lol
Sorry, I know this is getting long, but, is there a bell zone on the digital hi hat on the V71 module ?
That's another thing that would be nice to have too that I can't get on the TD27 and digital hi hat...
GREAT explanation on the set !!!
Nice playing too !!!!!!
THANKS !!!!!
Have a great day !
:-)
I have a request, on the most expensive kit can we have a shallow kick drum option? A 20x14 makes way more sense, even for live settings, it takes up so much less room and considering many will have these sets at home why make a kick so deep?
Finally I can use my laptop to design kits and sounds!!!
I wonder if kits created on the TD-50x could be imported into this new module. Anyone know?
Well done Roland! Amazing stuff! Great to see Ralf playing. He is the best!
@@StereoAnthony Thanks pal! 🙏✌️
This module has a very very important topic, which is not only interesting fur drummers, but also for all areas where people work (or play ) with fast and strong movements and perhaps sweating a lot. I mean touchscreen versus buttons/switches/faders. For years it was the top of technology and new to have the best tap and slide touchscreens. But while playing and with lack of time it is a thousand times better to have a bigger zone or plenty room with a lot of remarkable reference points than a surface, big as a smart phone with only 5 buttons, but 8 different layers of editing levels. Lets get 3 steps back but with modern logic and possibilities.
Touch screen is hands down better. You want a large touch screen with a few knobs and faders to assign inputs to. Touch screen is just more versatile and then you have a few assignable physical controls for fine and quick adjustment.
Do the sounds in the producer mode kits translate to front of house when using direct out for each drum?
Looks awesome but, theres no mention of user samples as far as I can hear, whats the situation there?
@@levia2805 you can add hundreds. Multi-layer and combined with SoundWorks which is included you can create your own samples with 18 dynamic layers 8 nuances x 5 mics per sound!
@@onomatopoeidia dang. these kits are hard
What's the link for the Editor Software download? Joined Roland's Cloud for this but no search function and can't locate it.
Have not used V-Drums since the TD-20, but it may just be time to go back, looks awesome! Something like Roland with built-in Steven Slate Drums
Is the TD-20 module acoustic physical modeling or sampling?
@@dvamateur COSM modelling
@@onomatopoeidia Interesting. Did Roland get back into sample playback with the lasted drum modules?
@@dvamateur TD-50 introduced sample playback and modelling. V71 adds a drum synth too so all three possibilities happening in real-time. Make any sound you want or sample your faves.
@@onomatopoeidia I thought that V71 uses round robbin sampling as opposed to physical modeling.
Nice, I will stick to 1985 Simmons SDS8. XD
I wonder if I just got a TD-50x or V71 module to my TD-7 kit, i wonder if it would work.
@@dvamateur yes
@@onomatopoeidia Although I probably wouldn't get all the sound nuances with my rubber PD-7 and PD-9 pads.
hh why this module don't have 2 mix in like the td50x? i need to use my pedal trigger connected to that port, maybe because of the bluetooth?
I'm not sure if I understand that correctly, so these use samples as basis but modeling too for changing the sizes, tension etc? Or are these samples only?
Seem to be sample only, but they are implementing some modeling to the shaping of the sounds, which is something that software like Superior Drummer already do.
Can I use this new module on my 706 with digital hihats snare and ride
Lcd screen is still too small. why? I just can not get it, why??
I want the 713 footprint with the 716 toms. I wonder if the BD is going to be better than the previous versions 140. That old one feels solid. This new BD looks lighter. If this new BD has no tech up date just cosmetic then I might keep using the old one. I will us Superior Drummer. The sounds are still way better than what I'm hearing on these demos so far. Do you have to have a subscription to use this set as is? If so then I just won't do any upgrades.
Wow !
Subscription is not a good look, Neither is not having a large touch screen. I'm team Alesis at this point even though I own a td20. Alesis seems to be the only one pushing advancements and I believe the only reason Roland has finally moved to vst style triggering.
Rolands just to expensive and under delivers... For example why not wireless triggering now that they own the tech... They hold things back just so they have something to add next time... Same thing with the digital versions of pads, they drip feed upgrades every generation.
Welp, time to take out a personal loan.
yeah dumb subscription BS too -
This is all very cool and all.....but why tf does my pre-order now tell me 3-4 weeks instead of 4th Oct Roland?
Subscription service for a module and an ever increasing price…idk what to think
Edit; i do know what to think, a subscription service for a DRUM MODULE, on a kit thats already £7700, thats just in europe. Are you fucking high
Ralf!!
how big is internal memory?
big. It's not a PC but a modelling, WAV and drum synth engine so you can do all three and also run soundworks for VST style kits which uses no internal space but if you like some of those, they load in...Best of all worlds...
@@tcellen2136 how many gigabyte is internal storage? 4gb 6gb ect, not trolling just interested my mimic has 120gb not saying its an issue but i would like to know before shelling out hard earned cash and alot to by the look of the cost, but high end i think worth it, however i like to be totally informed, i looked up manual no mention of internal storage size but says sd limited to 32gb
I would like to see inputs for a second hi-hat. Right now I have to use a second brain.
Both simple….and easy
Awe cool ! I can’t afford this either !
I can play brushes on an electronic drums !
That’s like taking a shit without farting !
What if you had positional sensing and multiple samples using only three triggers per drum and it wasn’t in violation of Roland’s patents - fuck off completely !
Just start using the apps they’ve abandoned us as drummers
Wait, the whole "V" was their psychical modelling generator. If they're just using a sample library, how us this then just about any other drum software library?
@@TruthAndMoreTruth it uses 3 user editable /layereable engines including modeling, wav triggering and drum synth and usb-c with low latency for streaming SoundWorks directly through the module and out the balanced outs through the p.a. There are also multilayered and fully tweakable DW kits that load directly in. SoundWorks also lets you create your own kits with your own samples. 18x8 layers with 5 mics per drum… huge
They look and sound great but in Australia they are just to expensive.
It makes sense they have diffusounds now like Yamaha because Roland now owns DW drums so they can take full advantage of recording their actual acoustic drums rather than their usual crap synthetic sound samples...this should be interesting. Yamaha vs Roland vs Efnote
*****QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER *****
Hi everyone !!!
I'm trying to get this kind of reggae snare sound in this video I'm posting (below) at around 6 minutes in and 11:35min in.
That high pitched crack when you hit the head as close to rim on an acoustic drum.
I tighten the head more around the crotch area, and when I play reggae music, when I angle my stick and hit the head close to the rim, it's like a high pitched screaming kind of thing.
Like a high ting !!!
😁👍
I can't get it to do this on my digital snare on the TD27.
Have any of you tried this by chance or know how to achieve this ?
I dont see how you can control the positional settings inside the snare, so the sensors closer to the rim can sound different.
I do get lost in the settings though...
I'm just wondering if this is possible, and if anyone can tell me the setting to look for ?
The digital snare on the TD27 is a bit better then the one that came on my TD17KVX, but it's just still not everything I want.
Close but no cigar anyways....lol
Thanks !
Have a great day !!!
:-)
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I feel like the extreme effort taken to get electric drums to sound like acoustic drums is asinine. don’t get me wrong, I’m impressed by this kit, but I’d still choose a $300 pocket kit with a small set of Zildjian A’s over these kits. Now if electric kits were developed more like synths, then I’d be more interested. Or if electric kits were developed with pedals and effects in mind, like an electric guitar. You guys ever hear Dan Mayo play drums with all his effects? give me that in a box.
Is Roland finally leaving the machine gun era behind? Are they finally using round robins? That's good.
Subscription. Subscription. Subscription. Join the queue of organisations trying to bleed me dry. I'll be sticking with my TD30kv and second hand market on ebay. 8k? Are you kidding? As soon as someone cracks a slim VST, decent installable triggers and cracks latency, wraps them all (and can use all your older components), you're toast. I don't think its far away.
As much as I loved my kit, you just can't capture the response needed for a reggae drummer, sad to see the hi-hat has still not been developed further.
Calibration is step 1. Plays perfectly as long as they know what closed is via the calibration. They even recognize L&R hands and skin touch. Doesn’t get better and the new sound engine also allows it to recognize where on the Hats you are playing. Never been possible before
Reggae/Ska performance video will be released soon (Andertons)
@@michaelschack I'll be watching for that video for sure !!!
(Question and thoughts for your upcoming video)
I have the TD27 with the digital snare and I've been trying to get a good high harmonic rim shot like in reggae drumming on the snare....
Can you please talk specifically, IF, the V71 can do different RIM SHOTS ?
Like close to the rim so it let's off that high pitched harmonic SCREAMING ring !!!!!
I've been looking for any video for years now that showcases this.
I'm mostly interested in module to hardware integration that puts edrums in the same depth as acoustic drums.
That would be a great step forward if this is the case with the V71 and the new snare !!!
Also, is there a bell zone on the digital hi hat now ?
That again would be a great step forward.
If not, I'll probably just stick with my TD27...lol
Can't wait to see yer video !!!!
Have a great day !!!
👍😁👍
Ps. For that matter, can you please do a video on how to achieve "the best rim shots on any edrums ?"
There's none of these types of videos.
I'm not sure if it's even possible, but that would be awesome !!!
Maybe an explanation of what settings would help achieve this, even if it's closer to the acoustic feel of it.
Thanks !!!!
@@michaelschackI just subscribed to you so I don't miss it !!!
👍😁👍
i cannot comprehend the point of making electronic drums with full size drum shells that are for aesthetic purposes only. if the shell contributes no sonic purpose, why bother?
Yes. I actually prefer the scaled down Tom’s with 4” shells and an 18” kick. Nice and compact but still look sharp.😊
Cause it looks cool! You can't put a price on cool...... well maybe you can and it's pretty steep.😆
Trade-off of portability aesthetics. There are many other pros/cons of electronic drums that still apply.
I'd personally prefer the hexagonal Simmons type drum pads. Never liked the acoustic drums look.
Frequent Roland shell player here! The benefit is in ‘feel’. There is shell resonance on impact which makes the playing experience much more realistic. Of course the ‘look’ is part of it, but the shell resonance makes a huge difference in feel compared to the smaller plastic shell pads, at least for me
Not blown away. Not that much different from the TD50. Same 3x USB triggers.
What happened to Midi 2.0?
Sounds are average aren’t they?
@@sampilsbury9415 Definitely NOT average, just not that much better than the TD50. Roland are still leading, sound wise too.
@@geevee7823 14bit midi was already available in the TD-50 and then TD-27 too. It uses controller 88. See midi implementation guide.
A nice improvement, but these still sound less realistic than a 2box kit from over 10 years ago 😬
Nice, nice... But still no match against GGD, EzD3 and let alone SD3!
finally.. after like 40 years, roland departs from that FFT horrible sounds and implements real samples!!, Even thought in the producer perspective I can still hear the old days spilling out from my monitors.
It is kind of good that they captured the raw flaws that some times happens with E-Drums
3:10 Choke not picking well
Something that I don't quite like is how thin the hihat sounds
....Midi 2?
@@dinguswingus3663 14bit hi-res midi was implemented in TD-50 V1 years ago. TD-27 has it too. Waiting for software developers to catch up.
14:43 I feel my efnote hats still play better than these. Haven’t done a gig where I need my palm in a decade.
Your Efnote sounds better than these too!
subscription.... NO. You are becoming as evil as all the car and tech companies..$$$$$ Also, still lacks dynamics, .. multi layers... as much as life>?? NO. same old poop
Not going to purchase becasue of subscription. Going with another brand. Stop trying to extort your paying customers.
Now this is the Roland that I know and love I’m sorry but the TD 50 KVX wasn’t impressive
Well... Time to take out a house-sized loan
No shit
- or just hook up yr computer to another module and keep yr wife