My guess is that this basically applies to taxi drivers of foreign origin who spend a lot of time in their country of origin, but that due to the law on discrimination they have to let it apply to everyone. Anyway, this seems silly.
To be fair I can easily imagine English part-time/semi-retired drivers who spend half the year in Spain getting pissed every night and getting into scraps, then work six months in the taxi during the summer or whatever, the number of "expats" I know of who get in trouble abroad because they think Spanish law doesn't apply to them hahaah
How many people are just going to leave off that they've gone on a holiday for 6 months 9 years ago? How are TfL going to check people who have entered / left the country. Even if they can see you've been abroad for 3+ months, it doesn't mean you've stayed in one country for that time.
Its more if you've lived in a foreign state (e.g. Canada) and raped someone there, it won't appear on the DBS because its not generally shared between our countries.
I might be missing something here but exactly how does TFL ? know that you have been out of the country unless you volunteer that information yourself?
Wow, can you imagine how long it would ACTUALLY take to get one of those certificates. That is assuming the country or countries involved played ball, and there just be cost implications.
I hope this doesn't apply to people not planning to become taxi drivers. My plan has been to rob every bank I can in the US to fund my retirement back in the UK in a few years. I hope this doesn't mean I get found out.
This would surely exclude all Somalis, etc. from driving a taxi because the Somali government has limited capability & doesn't know what people get up to in its nominal territory. Ditto Afghanistan because the Afghan government that the UK recognises is not one & the same with the Afghan government on the ground that actually runs home affairs in Afghanistan.
In a lot of jobs with potential regulatory exposure, e.g. in Financial Services - it's quite common to do something beyond a DBS check that also covers time spent in other countries and requires a record of all known addresses for 5-10 years. it's a pain that the UK hasn't standardised an "International DBS", so that this information could be obtained by the government rather than this onerous (and presumably paper-based!) CoGC process.
I see a lot of other countries going, "You want what?" As if they know what tourists are doing. I expect a criminal backgrund check from other country might work???
This is standard practice in professions like teaching or anything financial for a long time. I think taxi drivers are held to a high standard due to the lone working aspect. It is a significant risk.
To play devils advocate, I would say that since UK driving regulations are quite strict (cameras, points, tickets) whereas some countries aren’t even required to use their indicators. I don’t think uber drivers are bad because they are distracted, I think it’s fair to say a lot of them learned to drive in other countries with different (less strict) regulations…
@@UrvonDiviner I’m not an expert at how the UK determines their drivers, but I believe Scruber “drivers” (criminals) are defined under rideshare regulations. At least that’s how it is in my country. Private hire, I believe refers to chauffeurs and limousines (we call them hire cars in my country).
Seems like an overreach, or some abstract consequence of Brexit and not co-operating as closely with international law enforcement. I'm not sure how many criminals this affects or crimes it prevents, maybe you have info on that Tom? More importantly why doesn't our current DBS include information on international crimes?
Surely the fact that you are not in custody in the country you visited means that you didn't do anything wrong, or at least you didn't get caught for it!
Unless TfHell have immediate and current access to your passport/travel details how on earth are they going to know if you've been abroad (Unless you self-declare)??
Presumably you can be out of the UK for an unlimited period as long as you didn't stay in any single country for more than three months? I assume, two months in six different countries wouldn't fall under these rules?
3 months out of the UK total. Doesn’t matter how many countries you do or don’t visit. If you are more than 3 months you need to provide a CoGC from every country you visited
@@TomtheTaxiDriver I would read that statement about the rules again. I too read that as you only have to report countries where you have been in for 3 months or more. "Lived in a country" implies they are only after any single country of more than 3 months, otherwise it would simply say something about living abroad for more than 3 months. So 2 months in each country during a 6 months backpacking tour of the world would not count as having to be declared.
This is pretty standard practice for employers in the private sector. The company I work for, for example, does this (via an employment background screening agency) As for “why 3 months” - I think this is just a question of practicality. Ideally, they’d ask you to provide a certificate from every country you’ve ever been in. But that would be impossible logistically.
Tom, I think it is to check on persons who in the last 10 years have lived in another country, say you arrived here “irregularly “ and have no paperwork then they would have difficulty in getting a private hire licence! Maybe they had left there country for some kind of wrong doing how can TfL check their background. If they include everybody who has been out of the U.K. for three months or more TfL can’t be accused of racism. I have had a few “dodgy” drivers, and raised an eyebrow at their driving, lack of language skill etc.
As for other professions in which you're required to do this, financial services, lawyers, law enforcement, some forms of health and social care, though I'm surprised this extends to taxi drivers though, but yeah with high levels of professional regulation this can be quite common unfortunately
Best not to go to Hong Kong on a 3+ month trip! You can apply for the equivalent of a CoGC online but you need to get your prints done! Will probably end up being very costly with all the paperwork and lawyering that will have to go with it (or I suppose, fly there just to get one? 🤦♂).
time to look closer to home for your hols..lol . it's funny cos living in Italy i can more or less travel the whole of Europe with no checks. I went to Germany last year and the only check was in Berlin Station where undercover cops waiting for the train to arrive asked to see my passport, I showed them it and that was it 2 mins have a nice day. on the way back i drove and there was not a single check . I used the motorway all the back and did not show my passport once.
I would guess this has been introduced because they have been made aware of certain incidents so are introducing this to cover ass and hopefully stamping it out. My guess is that it is aimed at PH but as stated in other comments, Taxis are being included so as to make it look like it applies to all. Traditional Mini Cabs are perfect for drug deals, the vehicle has a reason to be anywhere, drugs are stuffed down seats, a cab gets called, passenger gets in, takes his ride and collects the hidden drugs. All paid by cash. If driver stopped by police then he can deny all knowledge of drugs stuffed in a seat and say its a previous passenger. The same for food deliveries. A bloke in a balaclava and helmet can enter some estate at 2am on a moped and attract no attention if he has a deliveroo uniform on.
With open borders in e.g. the Schengen area getting a certificate for every country you visit might be tricky. For example my passport shows I entered and exited the Canary Islands in January, but afaik the Portuguese government has no official record that I spent a few hours in Madeira when the cruise went there. Years ago I went on a coach trip to Germany, these days my passport would be stamped by customs in France but would the authorities in Germany know I was there? What about Belgium and the Netherlands we passed through en-route?
@@ollewall According to Tom at least, you need a certificate from every country you visit if you spend 3 months or longer outside the UK, not just 3 months in any one other country.
Its tfl playing big brother, I think it's getting ridiculous, pretty soon they will want to read your personal diaries from of what you do and think from morning till night.
So Tom just remember to always make your hols less than 3months😂😂Can you imagine other professions having this approach, Say you have what is called a sabbatical and you do a year's travel--absolutely riddiculous.
I guess this is why they now swipe your passport as you enter a country so they know you are in that country. Maybe come back on a small boat then they won't know you are back. 🤣
I've had job applications in both the public and private sectors where I've had to list all of the countries I've been to with entry & exit dates within the last 10 years. Still, the CoGC is a new concept to my experience.
Taxi is one of the rare situations where a vulnerable woman could be left alone with a stranger who is in control of a vehicle. You don’t want a sexual predator driving for TfL/Uber. My instinct says it is targeting driver of foreign origin who may harbour disdain for British women. Otherwise the other obvious target is football hooligans who go to away games in other countries. It seems way intrusive for the common decent taxi drivers.
I wouldn't be too worried about taxi drivers, but if you see the way some private hire drivers go about their day it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that some of them are real criminals lol
So there reasons why some people have to report travel to their employer/contracting agency but those people generally work within a role where they have access to sensitive information and hold some kind of clearance to do so and the same would most likely go for armed forces too. It makes no sense why you would need to report travel being an everyday cabbie.
Understand that they are responsible for only licensing people with no criminal convictions but what are they going to do if something is flagged up from 9 years ago? This person has could have been working, with an unblemished record, for 8 years working as a TFL licensed driver. It could be something as simple as a TV licence court conviction. Going to be very interesting to see what happens when they get this data.
I think yet again this is transport for London way of taking private hire off the road. I am a private hire driver. I’ve had to do an English language test and some other test beginning with S. I can’t think what it’s called. It was just multiple-choice questions. It was a piece of piss, but I think because there is a lot of private hire drivers from other countries and the criminal record check covers this country. I think it feels like a backhanded way of them like I say thinning the private sector out.
Maybe when entering back in the UK we should come in a rubber dinghy, lie about our age, say we can't speak English and then we'll get a nice hotel accommodation, benefits and handouts. Sorted
'This only applies to taxi drivers'....... just give it time before it applies to ALL indigenous Britons! Oh, and Tom, good luck trying to get anything at all, out the Thai embassy, without loads and loads of faff and f**king about!
My guess is that this basically applies to taxi drivers of foreign origin who spend a lot of time in their country of origin, but that due to the law on discrimination they have to let it apply to everyone. Anyway, this seems silly.
To be fair I can easily imagine English part-time/semi-retired drivers who spend half the year in Spain getting pissed every night and getting into scraps, then work six months in the taxi during the summer or whatever, the number of "expats" I know of who get in trouble abroad because they think Spanish law doesn't apply to them hahaah
Most countries will not issue a CoGC to foreigners
How many people are just going to leave off that they've gone on a holiday for 6 months 9 years ago? How are TfL going to check people who have entered / left the country. Even if they can see you've been abroad for 3+ months, it doesn't mean you've stayed in one country for that time.
If you was an international criminal mastermind you wouldn’t be driving a cab mate 😂👍
Its more if you've lived in a foreign state (e.g. Canada) and raped someone there, it won't appear on the DBS because its not generally shared between our countries.
I might be missing something here but exactly how does TFL ? know that you have been out of the country unless you volunteer that information yourself?
Thought exactly the same thing my friend.
TfL is a governental wing and has information sharing agreements (ISA's) with police, home office etc
The home office keeps a record of this, and as TfL is a government wing, I guess they could get this info?
@@Jimmy-jn7wd Orwellian type of setup
@@AliciaSykes Yep exactly
Wow, can you imagine how long it would ACTUALLY take to get one of those certificates. That is assuming the country or countries involved played ball, and there just be cost implications.
This reads like the "Did you get radicalized and visited a terror camp for 3 months?"
I lived in the US when Trump was president. Does that count?
@@thk184 No.
@@thk184wow not another brainwashed troll Can😢think for yourself…Radicalized by the mainstream media!
I hope this doesn't apply to people not planning to become taxi drivers. My plan has been to rob every bank I can in the US to fund my retirement back in the UK in a few years. I hope this doesn't mean I get found out.
This would surely exclude all Somalis, etc. from driving a taxi because the Somali government has limited capability & doesn't know what people get up to in its nominal territory. Ditto Afghanistan because the Afghan government that the UK recognises is not one & the same with the Afghan government on the ground that actually runs home affairs in Afghanistan.
In a lot of jobs with potential regulatory exposure, e.g. in Financial Services - it's quite common to do something beyond a DBS check that also covers time spent in other countries and requires a record of all known addresses for 5-10 years. it's a pain that the UK hasn't standardised an "International DBS", so that this information could be obtained by the government rather than this onerous (and presumably paper-based!) CoGC process.
I see a lot of other countries going, "You want what?" As if they know what tourists are doing. I expect a criminal backgrund check from other country might work???
This policy sounds like it was introduced because someone messed up. So they must have been a dodgy private hire driver/taxi driver
This is standard practice in professions like teaching or anything financial for a long time. I think taxi drivers are held to a high standard due to the lone working aspect. It is a significant risk.
So basically if you get into trouble abroad then make sure you leave within 90 days. Easy.
How do they know you've been abroad?
And if they're watching that closely they'd know about your criminal second life...
The whole thing seems daft.
Because TFL is under the government and will be able to have data shared with them from the home office
To play devils advocate, I would say that since UK driving regulations are quite strict (cameras, points, tickets) whereas some countries aren’t even required to use their indicators. I don’t think uber drivers are bad because they are distracted, I think it’s fair to say a lot of them learned to drive in other countries with different (less strict) regulations…
Im glad this is touched upon, Tfl going to far as a regulator, I've spoken to people on ranks about this, I'm looked at like I'm some nut,
Will this apply to Uber.!?
Probably not... Uber want all the perks of being a taxi service, without the responsibility that goes with it.
Taxi and Private Hire, it says, nothing about the scum of rideshare.
@@bobbrewer5182 PH is rideshare, no?
@@bobbrewer5182 Wouldn't Uber be considered private hire in this case?
@@UrvonDiviner I’m not an expert at how the UK determines their drivers, but I believe Scruber “drivers” (criminals) are defined under rideshare regulations. At least that’s how it is in my country.
Private hire, I believe refers to chauffeurs and limousines (we call them hire cars in my country).
Seems like an overreach, or some abstract consequence of Brexit and not co-operating as closely with international law enforcement.
I'm not sure how many criminals this affects or crimes it prevents, maybe you have info on that Tom?
More importantly why doesn't our current DBS include information on international crimes?
Surely the fact that you are not in custody in the country you visited means that you didn't do anything wrong, or at least you didn't get caught for it!
Unless TfHell have immediate and current access to your passport/travel details how on earth are they going to know if you've been abroad (Unless you self-declare)??
... And why don't fish and chip shop proprietors have to do this?
A bit extreme, especially as your uber driver is not even the person listed on the app.
Presumably you can be out of the UK for an unlimited period as long as you didn't stay in any single country for more than three months?
I assume, two months in six different countries wouldn't fall under these rules?
3 months out of the UK total. Doesn’t matter how many countries you do or don’t visit. If you are more than 3 months you need to provide a CoGC from every country you visited
@@TomtheTaxiDriver I would read that statement about the rules again.
I too read that as you only have to report countries where you have been in for 3 months or more. "Lived in a country" implies they are only after any single country of more than 3 months, otherwise it would simply say something about living abroad for more than 3 months.
So 2 months in each country during a 6 months backpacking tour of the world would not count as having to be declared.
This is pretty standard practice for employers in the private sector. The company I work for, for example, does this (via an employment background screening agency)
As for “why 3 months” - I think this is just a question of practicality. Ideally, they’d ask you to provide a certificate from every country you’ve ever been in. But that would be impossible logistically.
Tom, I think it is to check on persons who in the last 10 years have lived in another country, say you arrived here “irregularly “ and have no paperwork then they would have difficulty in getting a private hire licence! Maybe they had left there country for some kind of wrong doing how can TfL check their background. If they include everybody who has been out of the U.K. for three months or more TfL can’t be accused of racism. I have had a few “dodgy” drivers, and raised an eyebrow at their driving, lack of language skill etc.
Defense Industry (both private and public) - and it's any trip abroad no matter how short.
As for other professions in which you're required to do this, financial services, lawyers, law enforcement, some forms of health and social care, though I'm surprised this extends to taxi drivers though, but yeah with high levels of professional regulation this can be quite common unfortunately
Want to know what you had for Sunday dinner soon...
Keep doing what you're doing Tom you do a great job ...
Cabbie off 25yrs
Best not to go to Hong Kong on a 3+ month trip! You can apply for the equivalent of a CoGC online but you need to get your prints done! Will probably end up being very costly with all the paperwork and lawyering that will have to go with it (or I suppose, fly there just to get one? 🤦♂).
time to look closer to home for your hols..lol . it's funny cos living in Italy i can more or less travel the whole of Europe with no checks. I went to Germany last year and the only check was in Berlin Station where undercover cops waiting for the train to arrive asked to see my passport, I showed them it and that was it 2 mins have a nice day. on the way back i drove and there was not a single check . I used the motorway all the back and did not show my passport once.
I would guess this has been introduced because they have been made aware of certain incidents so are introducing this to cover ass and hopefully stamping it out. My guess is that it is aimed at PH but as stated in other comments, Taxis are being included so as to make it look like it applies to all. Traditional Mini Cabs are perfect for drug deals, the vehicle has a reason to be anywhere, drugs are stuffed down seats, a cab gets called, passenger gets in, takes his ride and collects the hidden drugs. All paid by cash. If driver stopped by police then he can deny all knowledge of drugs stuffed in a seat and say its a previous passenger. The same for food deliveries. A bloke in a balaclava and helmet can enter some estate at 2am on a moped and attract no attention if he has a deliveroo uniform on.
All becoming part of the dystopian 1984 Orwellian in my opinion!
Are they going to cross reference with your passport
It's so can catch tax dodgers
With open borders in e.g. the Schengen area getting a certificate for every country you visit might be tricky. For example my passport shows I entered and exited the Canary Islands in January, but afaik the Portuguese government has no official record that I spent a few hours in Madeira when the cruise went there. Years ago I went on a coach trip to Germany, these days my passport would be stamped by customs in France but would the authorities in Germany know I was there? What about Belgium and the Netherlands we passed through en-route?
Why would they care if you spent a day or two in the country? They only care if you spent more than 3 months continuously in a certain country.
@@ollewall According to Tom at least, you need a certificate from every country you visit if you spend 3 months or longer outside the UK, not just 3 months in any one other country.
Its tfl playing big brother, I think it's getting ridiculous, pretty soon they will want to read your personal diaries from of what you do and think from morning till night.
So Tom just remember to always make your hols less than 3months😂😂Can you imagine other professions having this approach, Say you have what is called a sabbatical and you do a year's travel--absolutely riddiculous.
I guess this is why they now swipe your passport as you enter a country so they know you are in that country. Maybe come back on a small boat then they won't know you are back. 🤣
Sado khan again.
TFL are a joke.
Great vid tom
Just ignore it
I've had job applications in both the public and private sectors where I've had to list all of the countries I've been to with entry & exit dates within the last 10 years. Still, the CoGC is a new concept to my experience.
Hi tom, i heard your concern i think wants to protect our Country from sex offanders
Taxi is one of the rare situations where a vulnerable woman could be left alone with a stranger who is in control of a vehicle. You don’t want a sexual predator driving for TfL/Uber. My instinct says it is targeting driver of foreign origin who may harbour disdain for British women. Otherwise the other obvious target is football hooligans who go to away games in other countries.
It seems way intrusive for the common decent taxi drivers.
I wouldn't be too worried about taxi drivers, but if you see the way some private hire drivers go about their day it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that some of them are real criminals lol
A certificate to prove you never got caught doing anything dodgy in another country.
So there reasons why some people have to report travel to their employer/contracting agency but those people generally work within a role where they have access to sensitive information and hold some kind of clearance to do so and the same would most likely go for armed forces too. It makes no sense why you would need to report travel being an everyday cabbie.
Understand that they are responsible for only licensing people with no criminal convictions but what are they going to do if something is flagged up from 9 years ago? This person has could have been working, with an unblemished record, for 8 years working as a TFL licensed driver. It could be something as simple as a TV licence court conviction.
Going to be very interesting to see what happens when they get this data.
I think yet again this is transport for London way of taking private hire off the road.
I am a private hire driver. I’ve had to do an English language test and some other test beginning with S. I can’t think what it’s called. It was just multiple-choice questions. It was a piece of piss, but I think because there is a lot of private hire drivers from other countries and the criminal record check covers this country. I think it feels like a backhanded way of them like I say thinning the private sector out.
This is good news. too easy to come to the uk and skip into the sunset laughing.
Just don't say anything
Big Brother or what!
Big Brother is ...
Maybe when entering back in the UK we should come in a rubber dinghy, lie about our age, say we can't speak English and then we'll get a nice hotel accommodation, benefits and handouts. Sorted
Stop spreading ridiculous racist lies.
Why would you go abroad to commit a crime?
Gary Glitter.
Ask Andrew Tate.
They come over here to commit crime !
'This only applies to taxi drivers'....... just give it time before it applies to ALL indigenous Britons! Oh, and Tom, good luck trying to get anything at all, out the Thai embassy, without loads and loads of faff and f**king about!