THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK!👊🤩 Anna is a better person than I. I would have beat the breaks off this man. Actually,when I found out about his sisters, I'd have been gone.💯☕👊
Most disturbing to me is how the parents minimized his abuse of their daughters. Over clothes under clothes doesn't matter. Still abuse. This is sickening and sad.
especially when it was known at the time that it was WAY more than just touching over and under the clothes as it included inside one of his sisters while she was sitting on his lap and he was reading the bible to her in 2003. As Bobye Holt testified in the trial, in 2005 Josh confirmed to her that he did this. So when Rim Job and Meech gave that interview with Megan Kelly in 2015, they flat out lied.
And so ironic that the Duggar’s would NEVER allow a dating couple to so much as a loving, consensual front hug, let alone touch each other under OR over clothes… because “purity”… but they made 100 excuses for actual abuse
It wasn't just that. More than 1 girl woke up during the abuse, (on more than the upper half and UNDER clothes), slapped Josh, and ran to tell the parents. Josh was angry and didn't go voluntarily confess...he was tattled on. So they minimized but also straight up lied. Josh was also shown on tv taking the kids in the van alone AFTER they supposedly had taken precautions to keep him separate from the girls. Uhhhggg.
You cannot convince me that Josh decided to just confess to what he did. He was either caught in the act or one of the non-family members he violated told their parents and they confronted the Duggars.
I had read somewhere that Jill went to her parent’s to tell them what happened . I remember during the show , Josh once referred to Jill as the tattle tale when they were describing personality traits for some of the siblings. Being that Jill is now in therapy and Derrick’s obvious dislike for Jim Bob, I bet the both of them could split this family wide apart with the stories they could tell.
Nope. Predators don’t confess unless found out. Then they downplay it and minimize the number and severity of the molestations. They all lied on the Megan Kelly interview, imo. They were all coached by a guy from TLC, whose only goal, allegedly, was damage control for TLC’s bottom line and the Duggar brand. It just speaks volumes about the clout of the Duggar name and the core of corruption of the IBLP that they were not immediately excommunicated by the IBLP and any southern Baptist church they had ever been affiliated with. It will be interesting to see what comes from the Southern Baptist Convention this year. The Catholic Church has never come clean, to my knowledge , about their cover up of pedophile activities among their ranks and people still support them.
The statement from the church leader was SO shocking, triggering, and upsetting. When it was revealed that the leader also had allegations against him it made complete sense! This is how these acts continue, there’s always a group of enablers
It is so bizarre how the parents keep putting so much emphasis on the fact that josh “cried” and “confessed”. It’s almost as if they want to give him a prize or they’re implying ‘he’s not like other offenders, he actually cries and tells on himself’. So disturbing
It’s as if they truly believe that just because he’s a “godly” man that he doesn’t have to pay in the eyes of the law. He only needs to pay in the eyes of God. To them that’s all that matters.
Anne Marie yes that’s the perfect way to put it! And now that “God forgives him” all of the victims have to forgive and move on because clearly the parents have and apparently God has too 😑. It’s horrifying
They’re proud of him. He’s the most contrite and suffering child molester there is. They think “Josh has been through so much. What an example to his children.”
the way the duggar daughters downplayed the situation with their brother is scary. the way they said that it’s a “common” issue for families, it was just “mild” touching and boy “curiosity” in the interview just shows how brainwashed they are. we saw that many of the duggar family realized just how much jim bob had lied to them about these situations during josh’s trial. it’s sad to see that jim will go so far to protect his son but not his daughters. also ironic how michelle used to do robo calls to ban trans women from being able to use the womens restroom in order to protect children from “predators”, meanwhile she didn’t even try to protect her own daughters from the actual predator josh!!!
Ok. Back up. I agree with everything you said EXCEPT where you ridiculed MD for trying to exclude Trans from the women's restrooms. I wholly agree with her on that. Trans need to use the restroom that matches their gender at birth.
@@saffron7723 i’m sure their entire world would crumble if they actually acknowledged the trauma their brother, family, and religion has brought them. they’ll realize it one day but who knows how that will go.
@@mandytirado7360 trans WOMEN should be given the respect to use WOMENS bathrooms. just like trans MEN should be given the respect to use MENS restrooms. if you were forced to use a bathroom filled with people who do not identify as the gender you identify with you would be uncomfortable. same goes for them. you have no idea the ridicule and harassment these women and men go through in their transition and in their lives. you’re blatantly ignorant, be better.
Teach your damn kids about sex instead of shunning it like religion teaches and maybe they wouldn’t molest their siblings. Come on duggars get your heads outta your ass. Such a sad sad sad case and life to live for all of them involved. I can’t even imagine. :(
@@mandytirado7360 btw if you’re gonna pick and choose you might wanna look into not being so gluttonous. You should probably focus more on what you need to stop putting in your body (aka too much food) instead of what people choose to do with theirs. Like please I cannot with your hypocrisy. Cry me a river with your ignorant comments.
Jessas statement about him being a young boy in puberty too curious about girls has always sent shivers up my spine. She has clearly been either coached on what to say or just simply brainwashed into thinking that the actions were not that bad and it’s clear her parents downplayed what happened to her. Now knowing more of the details especially of what he actually did the whole idea that she has been set up to say that this happens it’s not a big deal it’s truly disgusting. Like there’s absolutely nothing mild About purposely touching your sister inappropriately it is never OK
Hmm I wonder if it was put this way to Jessa now but taking about her kids instead like ok Jessa so I f your sons curious is it OK if he touched your daughter 🤔 he'll no it's never OK they were and some still are so extremely brainwashed I pray she leaves but she calls him all day so doesn't look like she's gonna leave
@@korva_puusti Look up the documentary of Beth Thomas, it is insane. It was hard to watch the the whole thing. I always knew how bad SA affected kids, but seeing the results of what happens right after, makes it even worse. The Duggard family are horrible people for trying to make it seem like this is no big deal. People who go through this type of trauma have such deep issues after, they should have given their daughters more help instead of their son.
Yes I remember that her brother offered to take Anna in when she was pregnant with baby number 4 he was going to pay for her divorce, and help her raise and support the kids. It’s a shame she didn’t take him up on it her brother never liked Josh from day one. He has his own business and is doing very well financially.
What saddens and confuses me about this sort of cult/belief system is the idea that women have to "stand by your man" no matter what, but they will cut off contact and stop caring about a rebellious child at the drop of a hat.
I always found it hard to believe his victims had slept through being abused. I think they were awakened & just pretended to be asleep, so they wouldn't get in trouble. After all, they were probably brainwashed into thinking, if this (or worse) happened, it was the victim's fault. Those poor girls! Hopefully, they are getting therapy & counseling.
Yep, as someone who was abused while they slept the offender also assumed I was asleep. I would dare to say most victims pretend to be asleep because you genuinely are like what…the fuck…is happening right now. You’re so scared and shocked that it’s actually happening to you that you don’t react. We would all love to think that if our brother/partner/father/friend woke us up with abuse that we would scream and kick them off and call 911. I like to think that now years later, the science just completely shows the opposite is usually true. I think people need to believe that they would do something different because in their own heads, it means that it couldn’t happen to them because they would never let it. Sad.
the fact that she knew what a slime ball before they got married just shows how brainwashed she truly is. Her family’s dedication to prison reformation definitely sensitized her to the sick crimes this man has committed. He hasn’t changed and never will
If you look at Bobbi Holt's testimony vs, what was said in the Police Report and in the Megan Kelly interview the Duggars REALLY REALLY downplayed the extent and severity of Josh's crimes to Anna and her family. Many people theorize they were in a rush to find a nice wife for Josh so he would have an 'outlet' for his urges.
@@rebeccaabram2312 ahh that does make a lot of sense. it’s interesting to hear in part 1 of this series that one of josh’s girlfriends prior to anna was told about his past and her and her family immeaditly broke off the courtship. you have to wonder why anna and her family didn’t have the same reaction- definitely it was downplayed, but maybe they just weren’t smart enough to see the red flags like the other family did
@@rebeccaabram2312 so sick for a parent’s motivation, but I think the same. I’m not sure why they thought a wife would fix an attraction to children, but I hate that Anna was even approached. It didn’t matter who proposed to her. She was going to marry who her parents wanted her to, whether it was Josh or someone else.
Anna seems really naive, sort of low-IQ and way too God-fearing. She looks a little "not all there" when she talks too, with her cosntant wide eyed deer in the headlights look. I don't think she really thinks for herself, her parents and his parents decided she would be Josh's baby maker and she believes 100% that it's all Gods work and she would be going against God if she goes against Josh.
What happened to make Josh Duggar a monster? He was given room to be. He was taught that his victims were mere vessels for his desire. He was protected and forgiven, and told that his actions were 'mistakes'. His misdeeds were framed as something that could ruin HIS life-- the needs, feelings, and futures of his victims did not matter in the calculus of how great a man Josh was. It's a surprise that Jim Bob hasn't been pegged as an offender as well--the apple rarely falls too far from the tree. The entire belief system is designed to repel the concept of abuse and accountability, designed to allow men to harm their families and instead of being held to a behavioral standard they are held to a verbal standard, forgiven once they say the stock apology-words. It's designed to perpetuate the use of people as tools for higher-ups to use. This isn't a relationship with god, it's a relationship with people which treats people as chattel.
Precisely. Josh Duggar did what he did because he thought he could get away with it - because the cult he was raised in was founded by a man who used his position to prey on teenage girls (and IBLP's theology works hard to justify such behavior) and because, when he was a teenager, he did.
No it wouldn’t surprise me if Jim Bob did inappropriate things with his own children he’s always come across to me as being very creepy and sketchy eww😖
I think they all come across as a bit creepy. The inflections in their voices are creepy. It's not really genuine and extremely rehearsed. I couldn't live like that! It's good to hear that some of the siblings have left those beliefs.
Has anyone else noticed how Anna acts sometimes around other people? Obviously she’s like it with Josh, but in almost every video that she talks a lot, she looks at the person she’s with every couple of seconds to gauge their response. I really think she’s trying to do what makes everyone happy and not rock the boat and is ignoring disgusting things to do it.
I used to be like that. Super insecure and always worried about what other people thought about me and what I was saying and I always adjusted my behavior to the people I was around to be the most accepted. She needs therapy. Real therapy not Church therapy
@@Catglittercrafts yup and that’s definitely how she was raised. she still has that child-like tendency to not think for herself and just please whoever she believes has authority.
Yk I noticed this same type of behavior early in Michelle Duggar, and have realized how much it has evolved into this newly spoken confidence I feel she exudes when Jim Bob is around her (which is almost all the time). She still glances here and there at the people around her which made me realize how these visibly behavioral traits have been passed down to his sisters, esp Jessa. Michelle at this point just has seniority in life and experience in general to speak more directly in a more immediate and prompt way when she’s given the opportunity to actually speak. It’s almost as if they’re Jim Bob’s words and not her own. V eery and disturbing how automated she sounds o.O
People who do this think they are "empaths" but they are actually trying to control the emotions of people around them by being hyper aware of people's micro-expressions. It's actually a response to trauma and a sign of PTSD. Ask me how I know. 🙁 I used to think I was just really nice, but therapy helped me understand that I was subconsciously trying to manipulate people to control their reactions to me to keep myself safe. The inner resentment I had for having to repress my true self was only released once I stopped trying to control how people thought of me and accepted that other people's feelings are their own problem. Poor Anna needs a lifetime of therapy. I know that feeling well.
I’m Christian & a pastor’s kid, so I’ve seen a lot of people come to my parents for advice, but there’s people who don’t need advice, they need therapy, and Anna NEEDS therapy! Real therapy, someone who knows about psychology & can help her heal her trauma & deconstruct everything that has been taught to her. God can use a real therapist to bring healing to her. Everything that they have taught her & told her is not real Christianity, that’s a CULT. They probably even taught her that therapy is bad, and that makes me sad.
@@irr1sss I agree but I feel bad for them. Watching them talk I could tell they were told to lie for Josh. They were probably doing what their father, the “head of the household”, told them to do.
So let me get this straight. Men are supposed to expect their wives to be perfect mothers and wives in every way, but women can’t expect their husbands to be the same?
Yeah it's how these doughy, homely, shit ass dudes keeps getting wives and it's so sad. They have almost 0 to offer besides a job and a roof over your head (if that) and know they would never be able to get these women if they weren't in that cult.
I spent most of my teen years in a religious IBLP church. When I left I didn't realized how brain washed and traumatized I was. I was the only Asian to go to that church and racisms was common in that environment. Unfortunately, homophobia, pedophilia, and misogyny were also common in that environment. They publicly shamed one of the church member granddaughter for getting an abortions because she was raped and underage. They told me my depression was a sin and I was going to hell. They told me that it was my fault for letting the pastor's grown ass sons and grandsons sextually assaulted me. Going to that church, every teen girls looked up to the Duggar girls and wanted to be just like them. And when it came out that Josh assaulted his younger sisters, they brush it off. The pastor even said, "Boys will be boys.". I left because a man who was 10 years older than me asked me to court him when I turned 18, I was 16 at the time. I'm so incredibly happy that I left that church and so grateful that videos like this is bringing awareness that IBLP churches are cults and traumatized many people across the world. BE's videos on the Duggar's are excellent on bringing awareness to this harmful cult.
“touching over the clothing is not nearly what you think it is” -Bill Gothard yeah, I actually think it’s EXACTLY what we think it is. also, it most definitely does NOT make it better that the victims weren’t “aware” of the abuse. it’s still abuse !! these people are living on a different planet, truly.. I sincerely hope the victims have gone on to live happy lives ♥️ and I hope Josh Duggar goes to hell. 🥰
I don’t believe for a second that they weren’t aware. I think they were told to lie by their father and say that they weren’t aware when they really were.
Oh that got me heated too!! Saying that he was just a teenager is fucking ridiculous bc these are the same people who will demonize teenagers who are LGBTQ+ or not white.
and the fact that anna’s parents were also present for his confession? and they were the ones who gave all those permissions for josh to court anna and eventually marry her? the absolute disregard for the safety of young girls is prevalent not just within the duggar family but in the larger community too ://
Especially knowing that he never truly got reprimanded or punished for the things that he did to those girls. How anyone could hear the things he did and still be willing to marry and raise a family with him is absolutely baffling. Even if I merely knew him and wasn't his spouse, I would never feel comfortable or okay with him being alone (or even with others) in a room with his or any other children.
At first I was sorry for Anna she must have been blindsided. However time and time again she put her children in danger, absolutely unacceptable. His parents are despicable, you cannot protect a monster even if he’s your son, as hard as it is. After all of this, they still let him near their children. Josh is manipulative and deserves life without parole
My Husband is a Pastor. If a Pastor knows of abuse and doesn't report it to authorities, you can go to jail. And rightly so. My heart goes out to Anna and her kids. Josh is such a mess. I hope his kids were not harmed, and that they were told the truth about their dad.
I no longer feel bad for Anna the children yes but now that he's been found guilty this last time and she remains with him ...I lost all respect for her ..I pray the children will be ok ...The truth will come out if anything happened to them . Statistics say yes something has happened to them In Jesus name a pray 🙏 for those children and all of his victims .
In my mind her kids need to be taken by CPS. The fact she's sticking by him even though some of the videos he god were of a 1.5 year old being sexually abused tells me she doesn't care about her kids. She cares more about her husband then her own children
@@theunforgiven2885 I'm not even a Christian and I feel bad for these kids Tennant three of the satanic temple says that everyone's body is their own and anyone who would go to violate that body and to hurt you physically or emotionally is in violation of that tentative faith we believe that all children are meant to be protected and kept safe from Evil corrupting factors tending too often cases it seems like the Christians are the ones who hurt children not People Like Us
@@theunforgiven2885 there’s a deeper reason than “Anna still hasn’t left yet” but many people aren’t educated in psychology and like to just blame Anna entirely
Lies are loud, truth is quiet. I'm sorry for your difficulties with youtube. Please keep up the good work. The public NEEDS to be made aware of this "movement".
You spelled cult wrong lol these people suck. Josh got away with shit for so long because many in top positions in state and federal covered it up. Crazy.
the biggest mind trip of this whole thing is the concept that “all sin is the same.” that’s so absurd. women’s “sin” can be not putting a dish away, but a man’s sin, the worst thing imaginable, hurting children, is considered equal to that ???? heck no. Josh is commiting actual felonies and Anna is over here beating herself up over not doing more to prevent it, as if she has anything to do with his incurable mental illness. the gaslighting in this “religion” is- wow. just wow.
Is it hot in here? Oh no, that’s just my blood boiling. Jim Bob should also face consequences. He contributed to enabling his son to perpetuate this abuse. Absolutely sickening.
Michelle’s (Josh’s mom) retelling of Josh “confessing” to them was disgusting. She tried to minimize what he had done by reiterating that the 5 year-old didn’t know what happened. Why even bring that up. Just because they didn’t know they were being assaulted doesn’t make it any less horrifying. They are terrible and they make the religion untrustworthy and incredible. It’s okay to love your religion and still do what is right. Wait- Anna said that he knows how to be a “be a gentleman and treat a girl right”….. wow. It’s almost like the people in this religion condone the behavior…as long as he’s “sorry”.
I agree with you 💯 they’re minimizing the abuse of a five year old!!! (Any age is wrong) and then using the age against the victim because they don’t know what’s going on. So disgusting and disturbing.
The real issue is that Josh DID know what happened. Josh DID know he was assaulting a child, before and after it happened, he knew it was wrong but he chose to do it again and again. He’s never been held fully accountable for his actions, and his appeal to the courts show he’s still not remorseful for what’s happened
QUEEN out here making a legit Netflix docuseries over here. This is so informative and well made. I appreciate how you give dignity and respect to the survivors and remain honest about Josh. Thank you.
The fact that multiple men from their community downplayed the acts so much because the girls “were asleep” and “didn’t even know” is disgusting. Watch your drinks if you’re ever in Arkansas because apparently it doesn’t even count if the woman or girl is unaware. It’s sickening. The amount of CP josh had is stomach churning. How do these people not see how sick all of this is?
lot of sick sh1t going down in the deep south religious circles (not that it doesnt happen everywhere). IBLP is similar to LDS as well. Women and girls cannot be SA. If they are they brought it on themsleves. I think that most of the men in the IBLP are p3dophiles and abusers. Its no coincidence that the state trooper who was involved in their family ended up being arrested for CP as well.
The majority of people in Arkansas are NOT like this! That cult family is the minority here. You could hear cheers across the state the day he was found guilty! We think they are weird!
Anna took the song "stand by your man" to a whole other level. Honestly none of us will ever know how much Anna was manipulated before and during her marriage to Josh but lord how can you be aware of these kinds of things and still support it? Idk idk man I just hope she gets the help she needs to truly understand that none of this was her fault and that Josh is a monster.
Didn’t want him “exposed to other offenders”??! I can’t with these people. As if their own son hadn’t committed the worst crime imaginable; there is no worse offense than the SA/M and/or the harming of a child. Absolutely nothing.
I have prayed for Anna and her kids. I pray that she makes the right choices for herself and her kids. This is so sad and isn't an example of Christ love. She can forgive Josh and still divorce him and move on.
Exactly!!! I am sure Jesus would be okay if Anna divorced Josh!!! I am sure our Lord would find child secks ab- yous a worse sin than divorce!!!! CSAM, secksual mull-less-tation of family and friends including minors, adultery, addiction to adult pourn, incessant lying, etc...in combination these things far outweigh divorce. By staying and standing by Josh, it is as if Anna too is committing these sins!!!
I hate the “oh it was over the clothes and the victims didn’t know so it’s okay” bs. Over the clothes or not, touching someone without consent is never okay. And while the victims didn’t know it at the time, imagine how terrified they could be come of sleeping. It is the worst thought imaginable to think “did this person abuse me when I wasn’t aware”, I’ve gone through it twice and to this day I still am afraid to fall asleep.
@RayTheGay they did know. It came out after that Jill actually woke up while he was doing it and punched him - then SHE ran and told her parents. The whole “he came to us to confess” thing is BS. AND Jim Bob forced the girls to defend josh on Fox News. It’s sick.
@@bekfast6691 and what's more, it wasn't just over and under the clothes. for one of the girls it was also inside her v__. And the duggars knew this when they gave the interview and lied.
I know how you feel. It took me till I was in my mid twenties and married before I could get over my intense fear of showering unless the curtain or shower doors are see through. I was always scared that they would get in and watch me without me knowing. I also suffered from crippling night terrors and panic attacks. It took a bunch of counseling to get to the point where I took my power back from my abusers. However, it wasn’t until I was in my mid 40s till I got up the courage to tell my parents. Then, my Dad continued a phone relationship with 1 of them and that broke me worse than the actual abuse. That feeling of not being picked by a girls own Daddy is the worst feeling I’ve ever felt. I’ve gone through some shit in my life but nothing was as bad as not being picked and not having my feelings honored. We were raised very religious too and I can’t decide if it’s because of the fathers trying to protect their family name and their own reputation above all else. Or is it the fact that the girls are raised to be subservient to men. Blamed for “distracting the boys” and all the purity culture bullshit they heap on girls. The girls are afraid to tell because the adults in the church will likely look at them as a tease or not modest and therefore responsible for a boy’s fall from purity. So, not only are we labeled as sluts, we’re also labeled Jesabels too. Nothing like a good old fashioned mind fuck that lasts 18+ years........
One of the saddest things to me is the way Jim Bob gaslight his daughters into believing what happened to them wasn’t a big deal. We see this even during the trail where it was described the things he did to Joy Ana, and she broke out sobbing. I feel so so bad for those girls
As someone who slept like a rock as a child, and had this happen to them. Those victims knew, he didn't do it only a "few" times. I feel so sorry for the victims not having their parents there for them.
Havent been able to put this into words until recently but the victims not knowing what was going on has absolutely NOTHING to do with Josh’s “innocence”. I didn’t put two and two together about my abuse at 4 until I was 21. I literally did not have the knowledge or experience to comprehend what was going on. But I sure as hell did have confusing and distressing PTSD symptoms that I struggle with to this day.
What makes me so sad is this could have been prevented. If he was given actual counseling as a kid, it might have saved the victims of his crimes from his sisters, to the children in the CSA material to his 7 children. You know he did stuff to his sisters, so the odds of hurting his own children are very high.if you go back and see old episodes, there’s one where he is taking care of his oldest daughter and she’s fighting to get away from him. I 100% believe he did stuff to his children when they were young enough not to remember since he learned from doing this to sisters that were old enough to finally say something. And how did he get that material? It is known you have to trade material of your own to get new material. I wish the damn parents were held accountable for some of this. They created that monster and yes you can’t be responsible for kids after 18, he started when he was a minor. They didn’t seek proper help and tried to just cover it up.
For real. I have no sympathy for him, but they failed him as much as the girls (hell, ALL their children, given that they don't seem to have even considered that he might have done something to his brothers), especially when you consider that it's not unheard of for children who are abused to enact that abuse on others. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but given the number of people writing all this off as "a teenage boy being curious" I very much doubt that they even considered the possibility.
I agree completely had they helped him when he was going through this it could have been different and I feel so sick thinking about his kids I'm positive he hurt them he's too sick I hope he rots in hell and I pray they throw the book at him and that Anna will finally leave him
There needs to be laws that require certified treatment of all sex offenders. You don't get unlicensed summer camp as punishment just because you're rich and religious.
He bought it. It was in the court documents, he spent $10,000 on one video alone. If they thought he'd created any of it himself he would have been charged.
11:19 I am pretty sure that the girl who told on her parents is Jill. Many of us who have followed the Duggers closely believe this. She has come out and said her parents forced her to do that Megan Kelly interview. That it was not 100% factual to what actually happened. Also Josh is known to call Jill the “tattle tale” that “gets him into trouble”. Knowing the Jill we know now I would not be surprised at all if that is the case. Of course we can’t know for sure, but I will say I am so happy Jill has found her voice, that she is in therapy and is trying to raise her kids differently. I don’t have the same view points that she does on many things but I am glad she has broken free from Jim Bobs control that he puts on his kids (especially daughters) still well into their adulthood.
This was another excellent video--and felt very thorough, although of course the YT restrictions must have been very frustrating. You're a very clear writer and compelling narrator. Thanks!
The recent CP trial of Josh brought out even more information - he did more than touch his victims over the clothes. He didn’t just touch body parts. I don’t want to get into details but they REALLY down played it all but I’m glad it all came out now.
"discovered on Josh's computer . . . showed a 3 to 4 month old being tortured" wow, he's a lot worse off than anyone could have ever thought.... That's extreme disturbing to get off on the torture of a baby....
I feel like it should be noted that the case with the woman who sued Josh after he got violent during a sexual encounter wasn’t simply dismissed. It was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. The general consensus is that Josh paid her a settlement fee and had her sign an NDA to avoid taking the case to court.
I appreciate the hard work you put into this & the thoughtful comments of your own that you have interspersed. It made some important connections for my own story. My heart hurts for all those kids. It’s not ok for their adults to say what they did or didn’t understand. The harm is real.
To add insult to injury, the two sisters brought forward to speak during the Megyn Kelly interview were Jill and Jessa. They were the only married daughters at the time. No doubt they were persuaded to do this because single women would be viewed as tainted and their marriage prospects would diminish.
Wow! I thought I knew a quite a bit about the Duggars but watching these last 2 videos was mind blowing! I learned so much about the IBLP and with your added commentary, you can really understand the depths in which this “religion” grooms their victims in such a captivating way. It’s truly scary and heartbreaking and I feel for everyone one of those children (and adults) who are forced into this.
my biggest issue is that he was given so many chances to remedy his ways, and yet every single time his actions are outed he musters up some new absurd excuse. first it was his “young age,” then it was being “troubled” and now he’s just grasping at straws, and trying to have evidence thrown out. thank God there is so much evidence and the history of his actions have been well documented 🙏🏼
Bless you for even being able to make these, as someone with religious trauma this is so important to hear, it’s painful and hard to hear and I actually needed to take a break for my mental health but god this needs to be heard I hope parents who spew this garbage wake up
@@bekfast6691 thank you honestly it’s a bit therapeutic to see these videos like yes it brings up bad memories but it’s becoming a conversation and coming to light now people can see red flags over religious abuse so I’m hopeful for the future ❤️
Superb again. I especially want to thank you for your empathy for Anna & exposing the general public to the IBLP’s persistent troubling teachings that the family must always be under the headship of a patriarchal authority. I’ve tried to explain to many that Anna’s understanding of marriage, motherhood, family, and salvation prevent her from even giving any real consideration to breaking the covenant of marriage. Just incredibly well done and thank you so much for the facts and the more nuanced explanation of how the facts are understood by the various players.
It's so awful because you can see Jessa has been coached as she over-talks Jill in order to answer the questions the way that it was gone over to keep the lie straight. I'm so infuriated his parents covered for this filthy and disgusting violation against their daughters as well as the daughters of others. As someone who has been a victim of SA, my heart goes out to these women and all of Josh's victims .
You are a class act, reporting facts without embellishment or to simply take pleasure in the failings of others. It is obvious that you put a great deal of time and preparation into each episode. You also have a soothing voice that engenders trust and causes me to anticipate your next video, Great job!
I just finished shiny, happy people, and couldn’t help the tears from overflowing. When you really hear the sickness and depravity of Josh Duggar’s crimes, combined with the systemic oppression of women in that cult, it is truly a tragedy all around. No one is safe from their mentality.
Can I just say CONGRATS girl 👏. Your channel BLEW UP AND WE LOVE TO SEE IT 🥰 we are so excited for your fresh takes and fresh voice!!! Hope you do big things!
Whenever I hear about this case I always try to put my finger on the moment Anna stopped being more so a victim of no doubt emotional abuse and indoctrination and started being more of an enabler of an abuser.
Really enjoyed your coverage on this! It comes across as empathetic and balanced. I think that going through Anna's history helps give a lot more insight into the situation and I haven't seen many other people cover it this way.
Hands down you did an "Awesome Job" with this video! Adultery is a get out of hell free card in a marriage. In God's Eyes one is set free 1 million percent if they choose to leave an adulterous marriage...something the belief system doesn't teach yet blames the wife for instead...SICK!!! On a lighter note, I work some much ( this past 8 months) that youtube is my listening source for the evening before bed. I had the pleasure of watching several channels in their infancy subcount go through the roof in months!!! This channel is well on its way to doing the same! Keep it up girl you got that "It Factor" to blow up!
I could tell Jimbob, Michelle, Jessa and Jill were all lying and sugarcoating the real truth about what Josh did in that Meghan Kelly Interview. They kept talking in circles and repeating the same information. Sadly they were more upset about the police report being leaked than what Josh did to his sisters. I had gotten into more than a few arguments with people on social media about what Josh had done, I found it scary how many people defended what he did as normal “teen curiosity “....I kept saying it went deeper than that, then the Ashley Madison website scandal broke and I knew it was only a matter of time before more stories would come out about Josh. I still think this is not the end for this family. I believe more skeletons will come out of the closet as some of the grown children are becoming more independent from JimBob and more outspoken about their lives. Jill and possibly Jinger will write a book about their upbringing in a cult.
1. I like how nicely this was done. So much coverage of the Duggars is snide, and lumps all Christians in w the fundies. This covered the facts, respectfully. 2. Every statement made a point of minimizing the molestation history by mentioning his age or the amount of time that passed before the story broke. 😕
You truly have a gift for telling the story of the Duggers. If you have never heard of Paul Winfield (City Confidential) you should listen to some of his work, he was also a gifted narrator. Keep up the good work!
Watching conservative Christians talk to one another on video is so wild because you can see them looking intently at each other and trying to monitor what each other is saying so they don’t say something they’re not supposed to And I also really really really hate the “he was a young boy” trite crap they keep saying. There are billions of young boys in the world and 99.9% of them can be curious about young girls without m-ing their sisters
I can. It happened to me too, my family was also Evangelical Christian. I was also made to participate into supporting my abuser seeking help and support to "heal" from his sins. It took me years to de-program and heal from all that blatant neglect. 🙃
Wonderful conclusion to a well researched piece! I often wonder about Jana, the eldest Dugger daughter left at home. I don’t know if we ever found out if she was victimized in the same way as her sisters, but I’m sure there was abuse there as well. Josh was raised to believe he was superior to all females, I can’t imagine he treated her well. I’ve heard she has an Etsy shop, but since she is under the control of her father as an unmarried female I don’t know if she is allowed access to her income. There was also some chatter about her moving into a tiny house on the family compound since she can’t leave the “umbrella of protection” her father supposedly provides. As a 33 years old I imagine it’s beyond difficult to still be at home and I wonder if abuse by her sibling could be why she isn’t interested in marriage. Great job again B!
As a survivor of severe sibling abuse, and where my parents protected and refused to protect my younger sibling and I from our elder brother, you are brutalized twice. Once from the actual abuse. And secondly from your parents minimalizing your the abuse. The Duggar parents have scarred their daughters who were sexually abused by this disgusting pervert by minimalizing what happened to the girls. To this day I have ptsd and are on anxiety medication and I moved to another country so I never have to be near my abuser again.
Wow! Wonderful, wonderful job! I’ve followed the story, and this is the most succinct and well-done telling of the story that I’ve seen. Also, I love that you actually showed the story of Anna. I feel sorry for her in a lot of ways. She was taught that this was normal from birth. Anyway, you have a new subscriber!
It's really upsetting that the victims are in a position to where they feel like they have to just be ok with it and pass it as "boyhood curiosity". The parents are also so incredibly invalidating to the victims and how they should be allowed to feel; how they were VIOLATED. It's all about Josh and what incredible character he supposedly has. Hutchins is also an incredibly gross trash human being. It's a girl's job to dress modestly so as to not lead their brothers in Christ into temptation. Yet, they're minding their own business ASLEEP fully clothed and Josh still fell into temptation. And nothing??! Yet girls are continually persecuted. for showing too much above the ankle. It's reason like this that contributed so much to childhood anxiety as i grew up in the church.
They claim one of the precautions they took was locking the door to the girls' bedroom at night. This fact perfectly encapsulates their priorities for me; they can't trust *Josh*, ergo *the girls* are the ones who get locked in at night. Also, I honestly don't know what's worse; the idea that it never crossed their minds how dangerous this would be if they had a house fire, or if they decided it was worth the risk.
I get the feeling Josh was the golden child and has an incredible sense of entitlement. Their church teaches women that they are nothing without their husbands. If course the girls were disposable, it only took how many victims before "seeking" out help? I'm sure it's heartbreaking having a child victimized, and worse knowing it was one of your own who did it. But let's be honest, it happened because their son felt entitled to his victims' bodies.
@@jenerin905 I get the sense that he might be the only one that they (or at least Michelle) were actually able to form a parental bond with. I saw a clip of her in Counting On spending "quality time" with one of her younger sons (I say younger, he's like 15). He was trying to teach her how to play and honestly, if I had been shown that tip without context, I'd be sure that she was a grandmother or a great aunt. There was affection there, certainly, but he treated her with that sort of formality kids have when they're dealing with relatives they don't often see.
Be...I have no words..you are freaking amazing..The amount of research and work you put into this series is 100'percent investigative reporting..Thank You so much..xo
This breaks my heart! The part of court where they speak about what he was watching. As a mama to a 4 month old. My soul aches and actually it made me cry. How can a mother stay with this man and not be disgusted and want to keep him as far as possible from you and your kids
This whole saga makes me so sad 😞. Sad for Josh and Anna’s kids, sad for Josh’s sisters who were victimized and then told it was no big deal and didn’t grow up in a safe house, sad for all the children who were victims and had pictures taken of them for CP, incredibly sad for Anna who is so brainwashed and in a mental prison that she can’t stand up for her and her kids. It makes me very angry that she left the courtroom and didn’t see the CP images that her husband enjoyed looking at while children were being abused. 20 years is a long time, I hope she can free herself from her mental prison and leave him.
That's not right. She should have been forced to see them. She wants to be with him then she should know exactly what he is into. Either face it Anna or leave but how dare you turn away from a child's pain !! That means you will turn away from your own childrens pain when they come and ask you why you didn't protect them ? why didn't you keep me safe from daddy ?!!
Yess!! I had found your channel literally yesterday and that was the first video I watched. I've been waiting for part two and less than 24 hours you posted part two. Lol I'm so excited!
I just found your channel. And girl like everyone is saying you channel is great. You deserve way more views and subs. You definitely got me as a new sub.
Seriously, this is something I study a lot. Do you know notice that Michelle and Anna's sister both have the same sing song whispery baby voice thing? I'm sure that absolutely trained and ingrained into them. I've heard it with several other fundamentalist Christians within this community. The women all have this very whispery very almost childlike voice. It's unsettling.
Thank you for bringing this to light. Not many media outlets are covering this situation for obvious reasons. Josh has had protection from many and has finally been brought to justice. I appreciate honest people who are willing to speak up against the evils of the world. We gotta stick together 😉
as someone that has been a victim of grooming, for me it was important to relearn what it means to have boundries. Boundries for my emotions, for my body, and boundries with other people. My ability to learn that at appropriate ages was taken away/never given to me.. So as an adult i had to relearn that, while griefing how that was taken from me. I'm not going to judge others who's boundries have been violated, but i will say there is a crucial threshold as people become adults where they regain the ability to learn about boudnries and make better decisions. I feel like people like josh and anna were groomed as children (to view (personal) boundries in a certain way), and as they became adults their environments pretty much forced them to double down on those groomed beliefs. i'm not a therapist or anything, this is just my personal opinion from my own experience too
I have watched the Farrow Allen story, Wendy Williams and now this one. You present so beautifully I can’t stop binge watching. I think they are put together so professionally, and when you read thing, it felt by me. Great job . I am so enjoying your videos. 🙏 Thank you
Aw thank you ! My older videos I was trying to find my groove but I’ve grown a lot since then and I hope it reflects in my current more recent content. Thanks so much for watching and supporting ❤️
This was the BEST video on this subject that I’ve seen, & I watch them all on YT. I will now go back & watch all of yours. You have won a subscriber for life. You showed information I have not yet heard, & I swear I thought I’d heard it all. You dove so much deeper than the other ones. I am so impressed with ur research skills & can not wait to see all ur other videos! WOW is all I can say, & thank you!
I just found your channel and HAD to subscribe!!! I watched part 1 of this story and just finished part 2. I can’t believe you don’t have hundreds of thousands of subscribers because you are so good at telling these stories! Well you may not have hundreds of thousands of subscribers but I feel you will very soon ☺️
This poor excuse for a man deserves to rot in prison. And if he believes in heaven and hell he definitely is going to hell no matter how much he thinks he 'repents'.
Anna has the lowest self esteem I have ever seen. 😥 Her parents allowed her to marry that man and his issues didn't dissappear, they multiplied. He had poor character/ discernment/ boundaries from a young age and those issues grew. Gosh, I don't think Anna will ever leave unless one or more of her children convince her to. I'm sure they know that their mother is struggling because of their father.
It's kind of uncanny how Anna seems to be mimicking Michelle's cadences and tone in her speech. Like for someone who wasn't raised in that household to sound THAT much like Michelle is...strange. Like, I just watched the previous video and the Q&A where she was speaking while sitting in front of the map (here - th-cam.com/video/3vp0PCWCxgU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=InEdIt3B3Ad-s7G2&t=958 ) like...her voice is in a lower register, she isn't putting as much cutesy inflection on things, she sounds more like a standard-issue young American woman, but at the 3:12 mark she's doing a full Michelle impression, it feels like.
Thanks for watching!
Yes! I'd love that!
An IBLP deep dive would be great!
Only if you can mentally/emotionally tolerate the topic! 💜
You're awesome girl.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK!👊🤩
Anna is a better person than I. I would have beat the breaks off this man. Actually,when I found out about his sisters, I'd have been gone.💯☕👊
"Rebecca divorced her first husband and is now re-married, and wears pants" is killing me for some reason
to be fair, she wore pants while married to her first husband.
the way she said ".. and now wears pants" got me too! lol
Good for her.
Same 😂
SAME
Most disturbing to me is how the parents minimized his abuse of their daughters. Over clothes under clothes doesn't matter. Still abuse. This is sickening and sad.
especially when it was known at the time that it was WAY more than just touching over and under the clothes as it included inside one of his sisters while she was sitting on his lap and he was reading the bible to her in 2003. As Bobye Holt testified in the trial, in 2005 Josh confirmed to her that he did this. So when Rim Job and Meech gave that interview with Megan Kelly in 2015, they flat out lied.
And so ironic that the Duggar’s would NEVER allow a dating couple to so much as a loving, consensual front hug, let alone touch each other under OR over clothes… because “purity”… but they made 100 excuses for actual abuse
It’s so common to do too! Just like Brock turners dad minimized the assault as “20 minutes of action”
It wasn't just that. More than 1 girl woke up during the abuse, (on more than the upper half and UNDER clothes), slapped Josh, and ran to tell the parents. Josh was angry and didn't go voluntarily confess...he was tattled on. So they minimized but also straight up lied. Josh was also shown on tv taking the kids in the van alone AFTER they supposedly had taken precautions to keep him separate from the girls. Uhhhggg.
You cannot convince me that Josh decided to just confess to what he did. He was either caught in the act or one of the non-family members he violated told their parents and they confronted the Duggars.
I've always thought that!
I had read somewhere that Jill went to her parent’s to tell them what happened . I remember during the show , Josh once referred to Jill as the tattle tale when they were describing personality traits for some of the siblings. Being that Jill is now in therapy and Derrick’s obvious dislike for Jim Bob, I bet the both of them could split this family wide apart with the stories they could tell.
I read somewhere that Jill caught him and went to her parents
Jill came forward. She's so strong
Nope. Predators don’t confess unless found out. Then they downplay it and minimize the number and severity of the molestations.
They all lied on the Megan Kelly interview, imo. They were all coached by a guy from TLC, whose only goal, allegedly, was damage control for TLC’s bottom line and the Duggar brand.
It just speaks volumes about the clout of the Duggar name and the core of corruption of the IBLP that they were not immediately excommunicated by the IBLP and any southern Baptist church they had ever been affiliated with.
It will be interesting to see what comes from the Southern Baptist Convention this year.
The Catholic Church has never come clean, to my knowledge , about their cover up of pedophile activities among their ranks and people still support them.
The statement from the church leader was SO shocking, triggering, and upsetting. When it was revealed that the leader also had allegations against him it made complete sense! This is how these acts continue, there’s always a group of enablers
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Right the way he talks how since they were sleeping and didn’t know makes it okay?!?! I’m so disgusted
Yes, 100%. I was disgusted by those comments.
Wait what?! I’m googling now and I shouldn’t be surprised.
Abusers support other abusers.
It is so bizarre how the parents keep putting so much emphasis on the fact that josh “cried” and “confessed”. It’s almost as if they want to give him a prize or they’re implying ‘he’s not like other offenders, he actually cries and tells on himself’. So disturbing
It’s as if they truly believe that just because he’s a “godly” man that he doesn’t have to pay in the eyes of the law. He only needs to pay in the eyes of God. To them that’s all that matters.
Anne Marie yes that’s the perfect way to put it! And now that “God forgives him” all of the victims have to forgive and move on because clearly the parents have and apparently God has too 😑. It’s horrifying
They’re proud of him. He’s the most contrite and suffering child molester there is. They think “Josh has been through so much. What an example to his children.”
Adam Connelly Adam Connelly Right. They probably see it as ‘trials and tribulations’ for him to overcome and give his ‘testimony’ smh
@@fashionisticdiva And I doubt they think about their daughters at all.
the way the duggar daughters downplayed the situation with their brother is scary. the way they said that it’s a “common” issue for families, it was just “mild” touching and boy “curiosity” in the interview just shows how brainwashed they are. we saw that many of the duggar family realized just how much jim bob had lied to them about these situations during josh’s trial. it’s sad to see that jim will go so far to protect his son but not his daughters. also ironic how michelle used to do robo calls to ban trans women from being able to use the womens restroom in order to protect children from “predators”, meanwhile she didn’t even try to protect her own daughters from the actual predator josh!!!
Ok. Back up. I agree with everything you said EXCEPT where you ridiculed MD for trying to exclude Trans from the women's restrooms. I wholly agree with her on that. Trans need to use the restroom that matches their gender at birth.
@@saffron7723 i’m sure their entire world would crumble if they actually acknowledged the trauma their brother, family, and religion has brought them. they’ll realize it one day but who knows how that will go.
@@mandytirado7360 trans WOMEN should be given the respect to use WOMENS bathrooms. just like trans MEN should be given the respect to use MENS restrooms. if you were forced to use a bathroom filled with people who do not identify as the gender you identify with you would be uncomfortable. same goes for them. you have no idea the ridicule and harassment these women and men go through in their transition and in their lives. you’re blatantly ignorant, be better.
Teach your damn kids about sex instead of shunning it like religion teaches and maybe they wouldn’t molest their siblings. Come on duggars get your heads outta your ass. Such a sad sad sad case and life to live for all of them involved. I can’t even imagine. :(
@@mandytirado7360 btw if you’re gonna pick and choose you might wanna look into not being so gluttonous. You should probably focus more on what you need to stop putting in your body (aka too much food) instead of what people choose to do with theirs. Like please I cannot with your hypocrisy. Cry me a river with your ignorant comments.
Jessas statement about him being a young boy in puberty too curious about girls has always sent shivers up my spine. She has clearly been either coached on what to say or just simply brainwashed into thinking that the actions were not that bad and it’s clear her parents downplayed what happened to her. Now knowing more of the details especially of what he actually did the whole idea that she has been set up to say that this happens it’s not a big deal it’s truly disgusting. Like there’s absolutely nothing mild About purposely touching your sister inappropriately it is never OK
That’s what happens when parents hide sex from their kids.
Hmm I wonder if it was put this way to Jessa now but taking about her kids instead like ok Jessa so I f your sons curious is it OK if he touched your daughter 🤔 he'll no it's never OK they were and some still are so extremely brainwashed I pray she leaves but she calls him all day so doesn't look like she's gonna leave
I have literally never heard of a girl doing the same thing. It's not normal biology, it's predatory sexual behaviour.
@@korva_puusti Look up the documentary of Beth Thomas, it is insane. It was hard to watch the the whole thing. I always knew how bad SA affected kids, but seeing the results of what happens right after, makes it even worse. The Duggard family are horrible people for trying to make it seem like this is no big deal. People who go through this type of trauma have such deep issues after, they should have given their daughters more help instead of their son.
The sisters keep looking at each other, like they're remembering how they're supposed to speak about it. Major creepy coaching vibes.
Her brother offering to support her and her kids is such a real one. So many people would give anything to have that kind of support.
Anna’s brother offered that? Huh didn’t hear that part
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Yeah Daniel is a terrific brother. It’s too bad Anna didn’t take him up on his offer.
Yes I remember that her brother offered to take Anna in when she was pregnant with baby number 4 he was going to pay for her divorce, and help her raise and support the kids. It’s a shame she didn’t take him up on it her brother never liked Josh from day one. He has his own business and is doing very well financially.
This freak assaulted a 5 year old during Bible study in front of other people????!!!!! That’s truly sick and twisted.
yup, a 5 year old who also happened to be his sister…
that and the family claimed he wasn’t a pedophile because he was under 16 years old… which makes absolutely no sense.
Sicko!!!
Yes and then recently was caught with a ton of CHILD PRN and his family still stands behind him. Well most of them.
And I’m sure he still thinks he’s going to Heaven too.
What saddens and confuses me about this sort of cult/belief system is the idea that women have to "stand by your man" no matter what, but they will cut off contact and stop caring about a rebellious child at the drop of a hat.
Or husbands, who will drop unfaithful wives in a NY minute
So true. If Josh had turned out perfectly good but gay, they wouldnt have supported him at all. It's such a pervert way of thinking
Thank love
Good insight.
I always found it hard to believe his victims had slept through being abused. I think they were awakened & just pretended to be asleep, so they wouldn't get in trouble. After all, they were probably brainwashed into thinking, if this (or worse) happened, it was the victim's fault. Those poor girls! Hopefully, they are getting therapy & counseling.
Yep, as someone who was abused while they slept the offender also assumed I was asleep. I would dare to say most victims pretend to be asleep because you genuinely are like what…the fuck…is happening right now. You’re so scared and shocked that it’s actually happening to you that you don’t react. We would all love to think that if our brother/partner/father/friend woke us up with abuse that we would scream and kick them off and call 911. I like to think that now years later, the science just completely shows the opposite is usually true. I think people need to believe that they would do something different because in their own heads, it means that it couldn’t happen to them because they would never let it. Sad.
Reportedly, one of the girls woke up and slugged him, then told their parents.
the fact that she knew what a slime ball before they got married just shows how brainwashed she truly is. Her family’s dedication to prison reformation definitely sensitized her to the sick crimes this man has committed. He hasn’t changed and never will
If you look at Bobbi Holt's testimony vs, what was said in the Police Report and in the Megan Kelly interview the Duggars REALLY REALLY downplayed the extent and severity of Josh's crimes to Anna and her family. Many people theorize they were in a rush to find a nice wife for Josh so he would have an 'outlet' for his urges.
@@rebeccaabram2312 ahh that does make a lot of sense. it’s interesting to hear in part 1 of this series that one of josh’s girlfriends prior to anna was told about his past and her and her family immeaditly broke off the courtship. you have to wonder why anna and her family didn’t have the same reaction- definitely it was downplayed, but maybe they just weren’t smart enough to see the red flags like the other family did
@@rebeccaabram2312 so sick for a parent’s motivation, but I think the same. I’m not sure why they thought a wife would fix an attraction to children, but I hate that Anna was even approached. It didn’t matter who proposed to her. She was going to marry who her parents wanted her to, whether it was Josh or someone else.
Why assume she’s brainwashed? She knew he was a child molester from the start. Either she doesn’t care or she’s into it.
Anna seems really naive, sort of low-IQ and way too God-fearing. She looks a little "not all there" when she talks too, with her cosntant wide eyed deer in the headlights look. I don't think she really thinks for herself, her parents and his parents decided she would be Josh's baby maker and she believes 100% that it's all Gods work and she would be going against God if she goes against Josh.
What happened to make Josh Duggar a monster? He was given room to be. He was taught that his victims were mere vessels for his desire. He was protected and forgiven, and told that his actions were 'mistakes'. His misdeeds were framed as something that could ruin HIS life-- the needs, feelings, and futures of his victims did not matter in the calculus of how great a man Josh was. It's a surprise that Jim Bob hasn't been pegged as an offender as well--the apple rarely falls too far from the tree. The entire belief system is designed to repel the concept of abuse and accountability, designed to allow men to harm their families and instead of being held to a behavioral standard they are held to a verbal standard, forgiven once they say the stock apology-words. It's designed to perpetuate the use of people as tools for higher-ups to use. This isn't a relationship with god, it's a relationship with people which treats people as chattel.
Precisely. Josh Duggar did what he did because he thought he could get away with it - because the cult he was raised in was founded by a man who used his position to prey on teenage girls (and IBLP's theology works hard to justify such behavior) and because, when he was a teenager, he did.
No it wouldn’t surprise me if Jim Bob did inappropriate things with his own children he’s always come across to me as being very creepy and sketchy eww😖
I think they all come across as a bit creepy. The inflections in their voices are creepy. It's not really genuine and extremely rehearsed. I couldn't live like that! It's good to hear that some of the siblings have left those beliefs.
I was going to comment the same. You did so more eloquently than I ever could!
@@purplebutterfly7257 I totally agree. I heard he travels a lot-plenty of time to do stuff.
It does give me a sliver of hope hearing that so many of Anna's siblings have left that toxic life.
They literally have chaperones while they are dating, but Josh's boyish curiosity is okay?
Has anyone else noticed how Anna acts sometimes around other people? Obviously she’s like it with Josh, but in almost every video that she talks a lot, she looks at the person she’s with every couple of seconds to gauge their response. I really think she’s trying to do what makes everyone happy and not rock the boat and is ignoring disgusting things to do it.
I used to be like that. Super insecure and always worried about what other people thought about me and what I was saying and I always adjusted my behavior to the people I was around to be the most accepted. She needs therapy. Real therapy not Church therapy
@@Catglittercrafts yup and that’s definitely how she was raised. she still has that child-like tendency to not think for herself and just please whoever she believes has authority.
Yk I noticed this same type of behavior early in Michelle Duggar, and have realized how much it has evolved into this newly spoken confidence I feel she exudes when Jim Bob is around her (which is almost all the time). She still glances here and there at the people around her which made me realize how these visibly behavioral traits have been passed down to his sisters, esp Jessa. Michelle at this point just has seniority in life and experience in general to speak more directly in a more immediate and prompt way when she’s given the opportunity to actually speak. It’s almost as if they’re Jim Bob’s words and not her own. V eery and disturbing how automated she sounds o.O
People who do this think they are "empaths" but they are actually trying to control the emotions of people around them by being hyper aware of people's micro-expressions. It's actually a response to trauma and a sign of PTSD. Ask me how I know. 🙁 I used to think I was just really nice, but therapy helped me understand that I was subconsciously trying to manipulate people to control their reactions to me to keep myself safe. The inner resentment I had for having to repress my true self was only released once I stopped trying to control how people thought of me and accepted that other people's feelings are their own problem. Poor Anna needs a lifetime of therapy. I know that feeling well.
I’m Christian & a pastor’s kid, so I’ve seen a lot of people come to my parents for advice, but there’s people who don’t need advice, they need therapy, and Anna NEEDS therapy! Real therapy, someone who knows about psychology & can help her heal her trauma & deconstruct everything that has been taught to her. God can use a real therapist to bring healing to her. Everything that they have taught her & told her is not real Christianity, that’s a CULT. They probably even taught her that therapy is bad, and that makes me sad.
The "he was a teenage boy" excuse grinds my gears. Raise boys better!
That whole “boys will be boys” attitude even from the victims (his sisters) gets my blood boiling. So disgusting
@@irr1sss I agree but I feel bad for them. Watching them talk I could tell they were told to lie for Josh. They were probably doing what their father, the “head of the household”, told them to do.
My parents let my brother do whatever he wanted because “he is just being a boy.”
I ended up in a Christian cult over that mindset. It’s disgusting.
@@heatherlindsey971I’m so sorry what happened to you. It was never your fault. I hope you are in a better place now 🙏🏾
So let me get this straight. Men are supposed to expect their wives to be perfect mothers and wives in every way, but women can’t expect their husbands to be the same?
Yeah it's how these doughy, homely, shit ass dudes keeps getting wives and it's so sad. They have almost 0 to offer besides a job and a roof over your head (if that) and know they would never be able to get these women if they weren't in that cult.
Thats it
I disagree with you.. stereotype.
Gothard’s entire system is designed to oppress women
Seems like it’s much more than a stereotype in this religious cult
“It’s not tea, it’s information” love it!
I spent most of my teen years in a religious IBLP church. When I left I didn't realized how brain washed and traumatized I was. I was the only Asian to go to that church and racisms was common in that environment. Unfortunately, homophobia, pedophilia, and misogyny were also common in that environment. They publicly shamed one of the church member granddaughter for getting an abortions because she was raped and underage. They told me my depression was a sin and I was going to hell. They told me that it was my fault for letting the pastor's grown ass sons and grandsons sextually assaulted me. Going to that church, every teen girls looked up to the Duggar girls and wanted to be just like them. And when it came out that Josh assaulted his younger sisters, they brush it off. The pastor even said, "Boys will be boys.". I left because a man who was 10 years older than me asked me to court him when I turned 18, I was 16 at the time. I'm so incredibly happy that I left that church and so grateful that videos like this is bringing awareness that IBLP churches are cults and traumatized many people across the world. BE's videos on the Duggar's are excellent on bringing awareness to this harmful cult.
Hugs to you. Hope you are well and healing 🤍
I’m glad you got out of that abusive environment. That’s terrible
“touching over the clothing is not nearly what you think it is” -Bill Gothard
yeah, I actually think it’s EXACTLY what we think it is. also, it most definitely does NOT make it better that the victims weren’t “aware” of the abuse. it’s still abuse !! these people are living on a different planet, truly.. I sincerely hope the victims have gone on to live happy lives ♥️ and I hope Josh Duggar goes to hell. 🥰
I don’t believe for a second that they weren’t aware. I think they were told to lie by their father and say that they weren’t aware when they really were.
Oh that got me heated too!! Saying that he was just a teenager is fucking ridiculous bc these are the same people who will demonize teenagers who are LGBTQ+ or not white.
OMG "goes to hell 🥰" the hearts😅🤭
If touching over the clothes isn't a big deal, then why is kissing someone you're dating? GTFOH!!!
As someone who has experienced grooming and abuse there's no difference at all 🤮
Imagine someone telling you they’re a child predator and you still marry them. These poor souls truly believe this is gods work.
and the fact that anna’s parents were also present for his confession? and they were the ones who gave all those permissions for josh to court anna and eventually marry her? the absolute disregard for the safety of young girls is prevalent not just within the duggar family but in the larger community too ://
Especially knowing that he never truly got reprimanded or punished for the things that he did to those girls. How anyone could hear the things he did and still be willing to marry and raise a family with him is absolutely baffling. Even if I merely knew him and wasn't his spouse, I would never feel comfortable or okay with him being alone (or even with others) in a room with his or any other children.
Indoctrinated patriarchy
I could never understand that.
At first I was sorry for Anna she must have been blindsided. However time and time again she put her children in danger, absolutely unacceptable. His parents are despicable, you cannot protect a monster even if he’s your son, as hard as it is. After all of this, they still let him near their children. Josh is manipulative and deserves life without parole
My Husband is a Pastor. If a Pastor knows of abuse and doesn't report it to authorities, you can go to jail. And rightly so. My heart goes out to Anna and her kids. Josh is such a mess. I hope his kids were not harmed, and that they were told the truth about their dad.
I no longer feel bad for Anna the children yes but now that he's been found guilty this last time and she remains with him ...I lost all respect for her ..I pray the children will be ok ...The truth will come out if anything happened to them . Statistics say yes something has happened to them In Jesus name a pray 🙏 for those children and all of his victims .
In my mind her kids need to be taken by CPS. The fact she's sticking by him even though some of the videos he god were of a 1.5 year old being sexually abused tells me she doesn't care about her kids. She cares more about her husband then her own children
@@theunforgiven2885 I'm not even a Christian and I feel bad for these kids Tennant three of the satanic temple says that everyone's body is their own and anyone who would go to violate that body and to hurt you physically or emotionally is in violation of that tentative faith we believe that all children are meant to be protected and kept safe from Evil corrupting factors tending too often cases it seems like the Christians are the ones who hurt children not People Like Us
@@theunforgiven2885 there’s a deeper reason than “Anna still hasn’t left yet” but many people aren’t educated in psychology and like to just blame Anna entirely
@@theunforgiven2885 she thinks he was framed. 🤪
Lies are loud, truth is quiet. I'm sorry for your difficulties with youtube. Please keep up the good work. The public NEEDS to be made aware of this "movement".
Bull crap
You spelled cult wrong lol these people suck. Josh got away with shit for so long because many in top positions in state and federal covered it up. Crazy.
@@armygirl85fuckhitler74 ? Never typed cult. Please make a personal comment.
@@carliwithani1815 oh, I know☺ I was joking I agree with what you said. That 'religion' is a cult though
the biggest mind trip of this whole thing is the concept that “all sin is the same.”
that’s so absurd.
women’s “sin” can be not putting a dish away, but a man’s sin, the worst thing imaginable, hurting children, is considered equal to that ????
heck no.
Josh is commiting actual felonies and Anna is over here beating herself up over not doing more to prevent it, as if she has anything to do with his incurable mental illness.
the gaslighting in this “religion” is- wow. just wow.
Crime =/= a mental illness. Common mental illness is caused by pain and suffering. Josh was being abusive and self-serving, not mentally sick.
Is it hot in here? Oh no, that’s just my blood boiling. Jim Bob should also face consequences. He contributed to enabling his son to perpetuate this abuse. Absolutely sickening.
Jim Bob had his eye on his political career, NOT on the well-being of his children.
When someone protects a pee dough over their innocent daughters' safety and well-being, they too are one. There's no other reason.
Daughters don't matter to them...
Michelle’s (Josh’s mom) retelling of Josh “confessing” to them was disgusting. She tried to minimize what he had done by reiterating that the 5 year-old didn’t know what happened. Why even bring that up. Just because they didn’t know they were being assaulted doesn’t make it any less horrifying. They are terrible and they make the religion untrustworthy and incredible. It’s okay to love your religion and still do what is right.
Wait- Anna said that he knows how to be a “be a gentleman and treat a girl right”….. wow.
It’s almost like the people in this religion condone the behavior…as long as he’s “sorry”.
I agree with you 💯 they’re minimizing the abuse of a five year old!!! (Any age is wrong) and then using the age against the victim because they don’t know what’s going on. So disgusting and disturbing.
The real issue is that Josh DID know what happened. Josh DID know he was assaulting a child, before and after it happened, he knew it was wrong but he chose to do it again and again. He’s never been held fully accountable for his actions, and his appeal to the courts show he’s still not remorseful for what’s happened
@@berrycuteypie right, he did it so many times.
Michelle is very disgusting. As is Jim Bob and the IBLP cult.
@@berrycuteypie yup josh was very into computers and electronics and had a p0rn addiction in his early teen years and beyond
QUEEN out here making a legit Netflix docuseries over here. This is so informative and well made. I appreciate how you give dignity and respect to the survivors and remain honest about Josh. Thank you.
The fact that the IBLP answer to “what if a wife is a victim to her husband’s hostility” (abuse???) is “trick question! Victims don’t exist”
The fact that multiple men from their community downplayed the acts so much because the girls “were asleep” and “didn’t even know” is disgusting. Watch your drinks if you’re ever in Arkansas because apparently it doesn’t even count if the woman or girl is unaware. It’s sickening. The amount of CP josh had is stomach churning. How do these people not see how sick all of this is?
lot of sick sh1t going down in the deep south religious circles (not that it doesnt happen everywhere). IBLP is similar to LDS as well. Women and girls cannot be SA. If they are they brought it on themsleves. I think that most of the men in the IBLP are p3dophiles and abusers. Its no coincidence that the state trooper who was involved in their family ended up being arrested for CP as well.
The majority of people in Arkansas are NOT like this! That cult family is the minority here. You could hear cheers across the state the day he was found guilty! We think they are weird!
Anna took the song "stand by your man" to a whole other level. Honestly none of us will ever know how much Anna was manipulated before and during her marriage to Josh but lord how can you be aware of these kinds of things and still support it? Idk idk man I just hope she gets the help she needs to truly understand that none of this was her fault and that Josh is a monster.
Didn’t want him “exposed to other offenders”??! I can’t with these people. As if their own son hadn’t committed the worst crime imaginable; there is no worse offense than the SA/M and/or the harming of a child. Absolutely nothing.
I have prayed for Anna and her kids. I pray that she makes the right choices for herself and her kids. This is so sad and isn't an example of Christ love. She can forgive Josh and still divorce him and move on.
Exactly!!! I am sure Jesus would be okay if Anna divorced Josh!!! I am sure our Lord would find child secks ab- yous a worse sin than divorce!!!!
CSAM, secksual mull-less-tation of family and friends including minors, adultery, addiction to adult pourn, incessant lying, etc...in combination these things far outweigh divorce. By staying and standing by Josh, it is as if Anna too is committing these sins!!!
I hate the “oh it was over the clothes and the victims didn’t know so it’s okay” bs. Over the clothes or not, touching someone without consent is never okay. And while the victims didn’t know it at the time, imagine how terrified they could be come of sleeping. It is the worst thought imaginable to think “did this person abuse me when I wasn’t aware”, I’ve gone through it twice and to this day I still am afraid to fall asleep.
@RayTheGay they did know. It came out after that Jill actually woke up while he was doing it and punched him - then SHE ran and told her parents. The whole “he came to us to confess” thing is BS. AND Jim Bob forced the girls to defend josh on Fox News. It’s sick.
@@bekfast6691 the whole thing is sick. I hope the kids realize this and leave when they can
@@bekfast6691 and what's more, it wasn't just over and under the clothes. for one of the girls it was also inside her v__. And the duggars knew this when they gave the interview and lied.
I know how you feel. It took me till I was in my mid twenties and married before I could get over my intense fear of showering unless the curtain or shower doors are see through. I was always scared that they would get in and watch me without me knowing. I also suffered from crippling night terrors and panic attacks. It took a bunch of counseling to get to the point where I took my power back from my abusers. However, it wasn’t until I was in my mid 40s till I got up the courage to tell my parents. Then, my Dad continued a phone relationship with 1 of them and that broke me worse than the actual abuse. That feeling of not being picked by a girls own Daddy is the worst feeling I’ve ever felt. I’ve gone through some shit in my life but nothing was as bad as not being picked and not having my feelings honored. We were raised very religious too and I can’t decide if it’s because of the fathers trying to protect their family name and their own reputation above all else. Or is it the fact that the girls are raised to be subservient to men. Blamed for “distracting the boys” and all the purity culture bullshit they heap on girls. The girls are afraid to tell because the adults in the church will likely look at them as a tease or not modest and therefore responsible for a boy’s fall from purity. So, not only are we labeled as sluts, we’re also labeled Jesabels too. Nothing like a good old fashioned mind fuck that lasts 18+ years........
One of the saddest things to me is the way Jim Bob gaslight his daughters into believing what happened to them wasn’t a big deal. We see this even during the trail where it was described the things he did to Joy Ana, and she broke out sobbing. I feel so so bad for those girls
As someone who slept like a rock as a child, and had this happen to them. Those victims knew, he didn't do it only a "few" times. I feel so sorry for the victims not having their parents there for them.
Havent been able to put this into words until recently but the victims not knowing what was going on has absolutely NOTHING to do with Josh’s “innocence”. I didn’t put two and two together about my abuse at 4 until I was 21. I literally did not have the knowledge or experience to comprehend what was going on. But I sure as hell did have confusing and distressing PTSD symptoms that I struggle with to this day.
What makes me so sad is this could have been prevented. If he was given actual counseling as a kid, it might have saved the victims of his crimes from his sisters, to the children in the CSA material to his 7 children. You know he did stuff to his sisters, so the odds of hurting his own children are very high.if you go back and see old episodes, there’s one where he is taking care of his oldest daughter and she’s fighting to get away from him. I 100% believe he did stuff to his children when they were young enough not to remember since he learned from doing this to sisters that were old enough to finally say something. And how did he get that material? It is known you have to trade material of your own to get new material. I wish the damn parents were held accountable for some of this. They created that monster and yes you can’t be responsible for kids after 18, he started when he was a minor. They didn’t seek proper help and tried to just cover it up.
For real. I have no sympathy for him, but they failed him as much as the girls (hell, ALL their children, given that they don't seem to have even considered that he might have done something to his brothers), especially when you consider that it's not unheard of for children who are abused to enact that abuse on others. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but given the number of people writing all this off as "a teenage boy being curious" I very much doubt that they even considered the possibility.
I agree completely had they helped him when he was going through this it could have been different and I feel so sick thinking about his kids I'm positive he hurt them he's too sick I hope he rots in hell and I pray they throw the book at him and that Anna will finally leave him
There needs to be laws that require certified treatment of all sex offenders. You don't get unlicensed summer camp as punishment just because you're rich and religious.
He bought it. It was in the court documents, he spent $10,000 on one video alone. If they thought he'd created any of it himself he would have been charged.
Wow, lots of respect to the work you put in, especially as TH-cam censorship is crazy. Got my cuppa ready, bring on round two!
11:19 I am pretty sure that the girl who told on her parents is Jill. Many of us who have followed the Duggers closely believe this. She has come out and said her parents forced her to do that Megan Kelly interview. That it was not 100% factual to what actually happened. Also Josh is known to call Jill the “tattle tale” that “gets him into trouble”. Knowing the Jill we know now I would not be surprised at all if that is the case. Of course we can’t know for sure, but I will say I am so happy Jill has found her voice, that she is in therapy and is trying to raise her kids differently. I don’t have the same view points that she does on many things but I am glad she has broken free from Jim Bobs control that he puts on his kids (especially daughters) still well into their adulthood.
This was another excellent video--and felt very thorough, although of course the YT restrictions must have been very frustrating. You're a very clear writer and compelling narrator. Thanks!
The recent CP trial of Josh brought out even more information - he did more than touch his victims over the clothes. He didn’t just touch body parts. I don’t want to get into details but they REALLY down played it all but I’m glad it all came out now.
Oh yes Bobbi Holt's testimony was eye opening on the true extent of the abuse.
And the daughters were in court listening and realizing the depths of the lies their parents told them
@Amanda maybe nwa still has some transcripts online. They did a live coverage of the trial
Emily D Baker did a video on the Defence Motions to get her testimony tossed. Closest we got short of a transcript
@Amanda I listened to Emily D Baker’s coverage to hear it - I’m not sure where you can find an actual transcript or anything though
Thank you for reporting facts as facts and not feelings. Really. This is how news should be.
At least if Josh is locked up for 10 years the wife will get a break from having babies
She might even have a chance to get away too.
"discovered on Josh's computer . . . showed a 3 to 4 month old being tortured" wow, he's a lot worse off than anyone could have ever thought.... That's extreme disturbing to get off on the torture of a baby....
I feel like it should be noted that the case with the woman who sued Josh after he got violent during a sexual encounter wasn’t simply dismissed. It was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. The general consensus is that Josh paid her a settlement fee and had her sign an NDA to avoid taking the case to court.
I appreciate the hard work you put into this & the thoughtful comments of your own that you have interspersed. It made some important connections for my own story. My heart hurts for all those kids. It’s not ok for their adults to say what they did or didn’t understand. The harm is real.
To add insult to injury, the two sisters brought forward to speak during the Megyn Kelly interview were Jill and Jessa. They were the only married daughters at the time. No doubt they were persuaded to do this because single women would be viewed as tainted and their marriage prospects would diminish.
You are so beyond talented. I’m honestly blown away by the level of research, editing, storytelling, just everything is great. Amazing job ❤️
Without a Crystal Ball is really good too! She actually bought court transcripts so she could be accurate as possible
So glad you're covering this. Josh makes my skin fucking crawl and always has
Wow! I thought I knew a quite a bit about the Duggars but watching these last 2 videos was mind blowing! I learned so much about the IBLP and with your added commentary, you can really understand the depths in which this “religion” grooms their victims in such a captivating way. It’s truly scary and heartbreaking and I feel for everyone one of those children (and adults) who are forced into this.
my biggest issue is that he was given so many chances to remedy his ways, and yet every single time his actions are outed he musters up some new absurd excuse.
first it was his “young age,” then it was being “troubled” and now he’s just grasping at straws, and trying to have evidence thrown out.
thank God there is so much evidence and the history of his actions have been well documented 🙏🏼
I'm a Christian as well and their views of family are pretty twisted.
Me too, they give Christianity a bad name.
That's because they're part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church! It's called FAKE Christianity!
Bless you for even being able to make these, as someone with religious trauma this is so important to hear, it’s painful and hard to hear and I actually needed to take a break for my mental health but god this needs to be heard I hope parents who spew this garbage wake up
Wishing you love and healing 💗💗
Seconding what Bekfast said. You deserved better and I'm so sorry you didn't get it. X
@@bekfast6691 thank you honestly it’s a bit therapeutic to see these videos like yes it brings up bad memories but it’s becoming a conversation and coming to light now people can see red flags over religious abuse so I’m hopeful for the future ❤️
@@thepanpiper7715 thank you ❤️ things do get better and these videos help
Superb again. I especially want to thank you for your empathy for Anna & exposing the general public to the IBLP’s persistent troubling teachings that the family must always be under the headship of a patriarchal authority. I’ve tried to explain to many that Anna’s understanding of marriage, motherhood, family, and salvation prevent her from even giving any real consideration to breaking the covenant of marriage. Just incredibly well done and thank you so much for the facts and the more nuanced explanation of how the facts are understood by the various players.
It's so awful because you can see Jessa has been coached as she over-talks Jill in order to answer the questions the way that it was gone over to keep the lie straight. I'm so infuriated his parents covered for this filthy and disgusting violation against their daughters as well as the daughters of others. As someone who has been a victim of SA, my heart goes out to these women and all of Josh's victims .
You are a class act, reporting facts without embellishment or to simply take pleasure in the failings of others. It is obvious that you put a great deal of time and preparation into each episode. You also have a soothing voice that engenders trust and causes me to anticipate your next video, Great job!
Thank you so much! That means so much and I really appreciate your feedback and support! ❤️
What an awesomely eerie way to conclude a really great doc!
Just as I was losing all hope, to hear that some of Anna's siblings escaped is a bit of good news. 💕
I just finished shiny, happy people, and couldn’t help the tears from overflowing. When you really hear the sickness and depravity of Josh Duggar’s crimes, combined with the systemic oppression of women in that cult, it is truly a tragedy all around. No one is safe from their mentality.
Can I just say CONGRATS girl 👏. Your channel BLEW UP AND WE LOVE TO SEE IT 🥰 we are so excited for your fresh takes and fresh voice!!! Hope you do big things!
Whenever I hear about this case I always try to put my finger on the moment Anna stopped being more so a victim of no doubt emotional abuse and indoctrination and started being more of an enabler of an abuser.
The amount of detail and work that you put into these videos really shows. This is such a well covered story!!
I think this is one of the best most unbiased Josh Duggar video I've seen. Thank you for sharing and doing such a great job!
Really enjoyed your coverage on this! It comes across as empathetic and balanced. I think that going through Anna's history helps give a lot more insight into the situation and I haven't seen many other people cover it this way.
Hands down you did an "Awesome Job" with this video! Adultery is a get out of hell free card in a marriage. In God's Eyes one is set free 1 million percent if they choose to leave an adulterous marriage...something the belief system doesn't teach yet blames the wife for instead...SICK!!!
On a lighter note, I work some much ( this past 8 months) that youtube is my listening source for the evening before bed. I had the pleasure of watching several channels in their infancy subcount go through the roof in months!!! This channel is well on its way to doing the same! Keep it up girl you got that "It Factor" to blow up!
I could tell Jimbob, Michelle, Jessa and Jill were all lying and sugarcoating the real truth about what Josh did in that Meghan Kelly Interview. They kept talking in circles and repeating the same information. Sadly they were more upset about the police report being leaked than what Josh did to his sisters. I had gotten into more than a few arguments with people on social media about what Josh had done, I found it scary how many people defended what he did as normal “teen curiosity “....I kept saying it went deeper than that, then the Ashley Madison website scandal broke and I knew it was only a matter of time before more stories would come out about Josh. I still think this is not the end for this family. I believe more skeletons will come out of the closet as some of the grown children are becoming more independent from JimBob and more outspoken about their lives. Jill and possibly Jinger will write a book about their upbringing in a cult.
They all said the same things and used the exact same phrases. It was beyond obvious they had practised set responses and talking points.
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1. I like how nicely this was done. So much coverage of the Duggars is snide, and lumps all Christians in w the fundies. This covered the facts, respectfully.
2. Every statement made a point of minimizing the molestation history by mentioning his age or the amount of time that passed before the story broke. 😕
You truly have a gift for telling the story of the Duggers. If you have never heard of Paul Winfield (City Confidential) you should listen to some of his work, he was also a gifted narrator. Keep up the good work!
Watching conservative Christians talk to one another on video is so wild because you can see them looking intently at each other and trying to monitor what each other is saying so they don’t say something they’re not supposed to
And I also really really really hate the “he was a young boy” trite crap they keep saying. There are billions of young boys in the world and 99.9% of them can be curious about young girls without m-ing their sisters
Please don't judge an entire group of people based on a few people from these iblp families.
IBLP is a sick cult.
Can you imagine? Being assaulted and then having the person who assaulted you get all this positive attention
Seems like the girls were brainwashed a bit too? They talked about it so causally, it’s heartbreaking
I can. It happened to me too, my family was also Evangelical Christian. I was also made to participate into supporting my abuser seeking help and support to "heal" from his sins.
It took me years to de-program and heal from all that blatant neglect.
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Wonderful conclusion to a well researched piece! I often wonder about Jana, the eldest Dugger daughter left at home. I don’t know if we ever found out if she was victimized in the same way as her sisters, but I’m sure there was abuse there as well. Josh was raised to believe he was superior to all females, I can’t imagine he treated her well. I’ve heard she has an Etsy shop, but since she is under the control of her father as an unmarried female I don’t know if she is allowed access to her income. There was also some chatter about her moving into a tiny house on the family compound since she can’t leave the “umbrella of protection” her father supposedly provides. As a 33 years old I imagine it’s beyond difficult to still be at home and I wonder if abuse by her sibling could be why she isn’t interested in marriage. Great job again B!
As a survivor of severe sibling abuse, and where my parents protected and refused to protect my younger sibling and I from our elder brother, you are brutalized twice. Once from the actual abuse. And secondly from your parents minimalizing your the abuse. The Duggar parents have scarred their daughters who were sexually abused by this disgusting pervert by minimalizing what happened to the girls. To this day I have ptsd and are on anxiety medication and I moved to another country so I never have to be near my abuser again.
I’m so sorry that happened to you!
Wow! Wonderful, wonderful job! I’ve followed the story, and this is the most succinct and well-done telling of the story that I’ve seen. Also, I love that you actually showed the story of Anna. I feel sorry for her in a lot of ways. She was taught that this was normal from birth. Anyway, you have a new subscriber!
It's really upsetting that the victims are in a position to where they feel like they have to just be ok with it and pass it as "boyhood curiosity". The parents are also so incredibly invalidating to the victims and how they should be allowed to feel; how they were VIOLATED. It's all about Josh and what incredible character he supposedly has. Hutchins is also an incredibly gross trash human being. It's a girl's job to dress modestly so as to not lead their brothers in Christ into temptation. Yet, they're minding their own business ASLEEP fully clothed and Josh still fell into temptation. And nothing??! Yet girls are continually persecuted. for showing too much above the ankle. It's reason like this that contributed so much to childhood anxiety as i grew up in the church.
They claim one of the precautions they took was locking the door to the girls' bedroom at night.
This fact perfectly encapsulates their priorities for me; they can't trust *Josh*, ergo *the girls* are the ones who get locked in at night.
Also, I honestly don't know what's worse; the idea that it never crossed their minds how dangerous this would be if they had a house fire, or if they decided it was worth the risk.
I get the feeling Josh was the golden child and has an incredible sense of entitlement. Their church teaches women that they are nothing without their husbands. If course the girls were disposable, it only took how many victims before "seeking" out help? I'm sure it's heartbreaking having a child victimized, and worse knowing it was one of your own who did it. But let's be honest, it happened because their son felt entitled to his victims' bodies.
@@jenerin905 I get the sense that he might be the only one that they (or at least Michelle) were actually able to form a parental bond with.
I saw a clip of her in Counting On spending "quality time" with one of her younger sons (I say younger, he's like 15). He was trying to teach her how to play and honestly, if I had been shown that tip without context, I'd be sure that she was a grandmother or a great aunt. There was affection there, certainly, but he treated her with that sort of formality kids have when they're dealing with relatives they don't often see.
I love this series! I knew nothing about the situation and know I feel fully informed. You did an amazing job!!!
I’m not sure Anna will ever leave Josh. She’s far too indoctrinated into that cult. Anna too is a victim, a victim of the cult she was born into.
Can I just say I love your voice. Thank you for the hard work you put into this. It could not have been easy to deal with this topic
Thank you so much for finding out more about Anna’s siblings. That was fascinating. You did such a good job here
Be...I have no words..you are freaking amazing..The amount of research and work you put into this series is 100'percent investigative reporting..Thank You so much..xo
This breaks my heart! The part of court where they speak about what he was watching. As a mama to a 4 month old. My soul aches and actually it made me cry. How can a mother stay with this man and not be disgusted and want to keep him as far as possible from you and your kids
This whole saga makes me so sad 😞. Sad for Josh and Anna’s kids, sad for Josh’s sisters who were victimized and then told it was no big deal and didn’t grow up in a safe house, sad for all the children who were victims and had pictures taken of them for CP, incredibly sad for Anna who is so brainwashed and in a mental prison that she can’t stand up for her and her kids. It makes me very angry that she left the courtroom and didn’t see the CP images that her husband enjoyed looking at while children were being abused. 20 years is a long time, I hope she can free herself from her mental prison and leave him.
That's not right. She should have been forced to see them. She wants to be with him then she should know exactly what he is into.
Either face it Anna or leave but how dare you turn away from a child's pain !! That means you will turn away from your own childrens pain when they come and ask you why you didn't protect them ? why didn't you keep me safe from daddy ?!!
Yess!! I had found your channel literally yesterday and that was the first video I watched. I've been waiting for part two and less than 24 hours you posted part two. Lol I'm so excited!
Same! I almost didn’t watch this one because I thought it was the other one. I say “Uploaded one hour ago” and was so happy
I just found your channel. And girl like everyone is saying you channel is great. You deserve way more views and subs. You definitely got me as a new sub.
You did a great job with this documentary! I’m sure it was a lot of work, thank you!
Seriously, this is something I study a lot. Do you know notice that Michelle and Anna's sister both have the same sing song whispery baby voice thing? I'm sure that absolutely trained and ingrained into them. I've heard it with several other fundamentalist Christians within this community. The women all have this very whispery very almost childlike voice. It's unsettling.
Why do Anna and Michelle make their eyes as fucking huge as they can when they speak???
Thank you for bringing this to light. Not many media outlets are covering this situation for obvious reasons. Josh has had protection from many and has finally been brought to justice. I appreciate honest people who are willing to speak up against the evils of the world. We gotta stick together 😉
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as someone that has been a victim of grooming, for me it was important to relearn what it means to have boundries. Boundries for my emotions, for my body, and boundries with other people. My ability to learn that at appropriate ages was taken away/never given to me.. So as an adult i had to relearn that, while griefing how that was taken from me. I'm not going to judge others who's boundries have been violated, but i will say there is a crucial threshold as people become adults where they regain the ability to learn about boudnries and make better decisions.
I feel like people like josh and anna were groomed as children (to view (personal) boundries in a certain way), and as they became adults their environments pretty much forced them to double down on those groomed beliefs.
i'm not a therapist or anything, this is just my personal opinion from my own experience too
I have watched the Farrow Allen story, Wendy Williams and now this one. You present so beautifully I can’t stop binge watching. I think they are put together so professionally, and when you read thing, it felt by me. Great job . I am so enjoying your videos. 🙏 Thank you
Aw thank you ! My older videos I was trying to find my groove but I’ve grown a lot since then and I hope it reflects in my current more recent content. Thanks so much for watching and supporting ❤️
This was the BEST video on this subject that I’ve seen, & I watch them all on YT. I will now go back & watch all of yours. You have won a subscriber for life. You showed information I have not yet heard, & I swear I thought I’d heard it all. You dove so much deeper than the other ones. I am so impressed with ur research skills & can not wait to see all ur other videos! WOW is all I can say, & thank you!
I can't believe im almost done binge watching all your videos 😩
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I’ve watched numerous videos on Duggars for years. Your coverage, analysis, research, etc is the best! Keep it up! You’re doing great
I just found your channel and HAD to subscribe!!! I watched part 1 of this story and just finished part 2. I can’t believe you don’t have hundreds of thousands of subscribers because you are so good at telling these stories! Well you may not have hundreds of thousands of subscribers but I feel you will very soon ☺️
This poor excuse for a man deserves to rot in prison. And if he believes in heaven and hell he definitely is going to hell no matter how much he thinks he 'repents'.
Anna has the lowest self esteem I have ever seen. 😥 Her parents allowed her to marry that man and his issues didn't dissappear, they multiplied. He had poor character/ discernment/ boundaries from a young age and those issues grew. Gosh, I don't think Anna will ever leave unless one or more of her children convince her to. I'm sure they know that their mother is struggling because of their father.
How about her dad letting her go into prison to help out. A young and impressionable girl in the presence of harden criminals
Nope maybe she being a young girl it a) would let her see you don’t wanna end up there and b) she’s serving others so that’s a positive thing
It's kind of uncanny how Anna seems to be mimicking Michelle's cadences and tone in her speech. Like for someone who wasn't raised in that household to sound THAT much like Michelle is...strange. Like, I just watched the previous video and the Q&A where she was speaking while sitting in front of the map (here - th-cam.com/video/3vp0PCWCxgU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=InEdIt3B3Ad-s7G2&t=958 ) like...her voice is in a lower register, she isn't putting as much cutesy inflection on things, she sounds more like a standard-issue young American woman, but at the 3:12 mark she's doing a full Michelle impression, it feels like.