Shamshir & Separ Seminar
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- We had the pleasure of hosting Frank Perrin for a seminar on the Persian shamshir and separ, a similar weapon combo to the European sword and buckler. Frank spent some time teaching us the basic combinations and footwork followed by some time working them through with a partner. We ended with a little freeplay.
Next time, Frank, we’ll fight your shamshir and separ against my Lignitzer sword and buckler! -Chris
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Once you commit into a blow you need to learn to pivot out after you do that, it is important to do that to avoid a linear style of combat.
Words from a man who's grandfather fought with shamshir and trained shamshir when he was a soldier. He had a real one baby.
May I ask who your grandfather is?
What martial art he trained?
Some history about his life?
I have two shamshir from a deal online a while back
sure is nice to actually see how to use them 😅
Great!
"Shamshir" literally means "lion's fang" in persian but also used for "sword" in modern farsi (generally)
"Shámshir" sword
"Khánjar" knife
"Ártesh" Army
"Árteshi" military
"Sepáh" cavalry
"Sáwār" rider
"Sèpár" shield
"Zereh" armor
"Zerehi" protected
"Zeen" saddle
"Tábár" axe
"Tábárzeen" rider's axe (battle axe)
"Pulād" steel
"Pulādin" knight
"Pulādzereh" immortal knight
All these words are parsi/farsi and been used in classical and medival middle east, so im confused how some turks come to claim stuff
Look Persians and Turks lived in Abbasid Caliphate. That's where Persian revival happend and modern Persian language which has so much Arabic loanwords. The Persian people had higher standard of living as well as they were crafty people and so Abbasid empire was influenced by Persians in reign of Al-Ma'mun whose mother was Persian and so he elevated Persians to better status, persian language gained so much foothold in Abbasid age. The Persian Arsacid dynasty (Ikhshid in Arabic) ruled in Egypt in name of Abbasid caliph, The Persian barmakids family ruling in name of Caliph Haroun Al-Rasheed controlled The Abbasid warfare and trade policy and diplomacy hence spreading persian culture through impressive skills. Al-Mu'tasim brought Turkic warriors to counter Persian influence, instead they were Persianized in already somewhat Persian influenced Abbasid caliphate and so they adopted Islam and came in droves to the very rich Abbasid lands(some estimate 1 million) and brought their own troubles with then, but many persian and Arabic words got into Turkish as well as other turkic languages, and thats how Turks got some Persian words and arabic that were incorporated in modern Turkish=))
And all is indian 😑
@@hardikmhaske9489 No its all Persian
@@xshandy5812 curved swords were imported by persians from INDIA
@@hardikmhaske9489 wrong
Nice to see that it's not that I'm bad at using sabres, I'm just using it as a shamshir
Such an elegant style.
Do you have links or anything to the sources used for this style of swordsmanship? I'm always intrigued by styles of fighting from the middle east and other areas of the world that don't get talked about more often. It helps that the Shamshir is a personal favorite saber design. Fantastic video, keep up the amazing work.
I personally don't, but get in touch with Dr Khorasani or Frank on youtube (linked above) or facebook. As someone who's done German sword and buckler for many years, it was a blast learning their system
Thank you sir :)
I practice with Frank, and it is a fantastic sword style to learn. Dr. Khorasani's book is absolutely amazing
Merci! This is so cool:)
Thank you
Never knew that Shamshir movement is simple and fun
Curved blades developed in Arabia and we can see examples in Yemen and of course Damascus not to mention that that technology is actually from the Fertile Crescent Semitic cultures and Egypt (khopesh)
Actually curved blades is developed in india my friend and curved blades are called goliya and there are so many of then all are different kopesh is more like machete it is a thick blade and it is not good for cutting but now some people make a thin sword like kopesh and says this is the first curved sword . But its not
Hardik Mhaske but all the statues and depictions show straight blades in india of different shapes. Swords were slightly curved in yemen and there was a persian-yemeni trade and political relations which could have contributed to the spread of the curved blade. With Islam this form of blades started to become more and more developed until it reached the Mughals one way or another. The Khopesh thing is just a theory it isn’t necessary a thing but it also along with the jambi’ya show us the use of curved blades even in daggers. There’s multiple curved swords as well not a single kind! Thank you for your comment
@@user-ui7tb7jn8x Statues
New statues made btwn 15th cen till now have 2 types of sword stright and curved and in hands of statue there are always stright sword why? Cause the stright swords was given to generals and officers and etc but they always carry 2 swords stright and curved
Note : swords of officers are always decorated with gold and mani
History of curved swords
The war of alexander and king purushotam it take us 2000 years in past king puru gifted a curved talwar to alexander and 3000 to 3500 ukku (ingots) of hinduwani/wootz and persia imported weapons from india and not only persia india was the mass weapon exporter weapons of india were famous worldwide
According to turks,persians and etc curved blades was developed in 10th cen to 11th cen but curved blades was developed in india in ancient india
And if you see old statues of ( horsemens ) in temples they all carry curved blades
You have kopesh we have kataari it is so old that now put it in temples
@s dee true actually
Jorge masvidal
Check the origin of curved blades and see that it's Turkish originated.
این مسخره بازیا چیه ترو خدا تمومش کنید مگه بچه بازی سپر هاتون چرا شبیه در دیزی
It's originally Arabian, Persians had straight swords originally
So did the Arabs
Curved Swords are generally a steppe thing
Be noticed learn about Islam ⛔️
The mythologies of religions around the world are always interesting, wonderful way to learn about the cultures they were developed in.
This technique is borrowed from Gatka, Sikh Martial Arts
The reverse actually :]
Sikhism is only 500 years old the sikhs learned from Persia sikh writing was also in Farsi guru Gobind Singh Ji used to write in Farsi too.
THIS IS SAVAFID TURK'S SWORD NOT PERSIA.
Turkey was once part of the Persian empire
First of, "Safavid" not "Savafid", second: safavids were iranian turks, not turks of turkey
Safavid was a Persian empire and they were Persian turks which were based on iran, so stop us stupid read some true history instead of what your racism tells u
@@LaurelCityHistoricalFencing Persians ruled over Anatolia yes but at that time Turks where in central Asia. So your argument makes no sense. Don't forget that the Turks ruled today's Iran for almost a thousand years. Until the end of the Qajar dynasty in 1925.
@@wolfganglan2496 exactly!
İtsnot peraian sword its turkish!!!
Im not an expert on that part of history, but I’m fairly certain modern day Turkey was part of the Persian empire.
Persian and Turkish swords had a very similar design
Shamshir or shamsheer (شمشیر)is persian made / persian design in origin, used in Persia by late sasanian militia man at least 200 years before turks even get to know what persian marshal art and shamshir is, ofc early middle east turks loved everything made in classica and medival Persia therefor they addopted their marshal art. Shamshir is a persian/farsi word meaning "lion's fang" literally, becouse persian language always has poetry nature and poetry is to describe world areound you by telling the same story using a different perspective of nature than what people use in daily basics. Sham shir is a good name for a curved sword becouse it holds both of the swords features in it. Its shape is like a fang and its sharp and ripper like a lion tooth.
@@LaurelCityHistoricalFencing
I am a Turk from Turkey and I wanted to explain this. Modern day Turkey is not a part of Persian empire. Its a Turkic state. Persian lands ruled by Turks from aproximitly from 10th century to 20th century. Turkic states and dynastis whic ruled persia are Ghaznavids, Seljuk Empire, Khwarazmian Empire, Ak Koyunlus( in english White Sheep Turkomens), Timurid Empire, Safavid empire, Afsharid Dynasty and lastly Qajar Dynasty. All of these Empires and Dynastis are Turkic. They are faunded by various Turkic Tribes who migarted from Centreal Asia to west like Anatolia, Persia or Middle
East. Yes these Turkic Tribes influenced from Persians in time but also Persians influenced from Turks. Ottoman Empire founded by Oghuz Tribe whic is the one of the biggest tribe in Turkic world and one of the tribes whic migrate to west. And modern day Turkey founded by Turks and our culture is Turkic culture. But Persians one of the closest nation to Turks especially to Western Turks in all non Turkic cultures. Because Western Turks and Persians lived together and share a common history. Thats why armor and swords of Turks and Persian are so similar. Also one last thing. Shamshir is a persian version Turkic sword Kilij. Persians, Arabs and Indians adapted curved swords from Turks. So long story short Modern day Turkey is a Turkic state.
@@KeyhaneBishomarCurved swords first appear in Centreal Asia where is Turks came from. Probably Sasanians saw the cruved swords from Gokturk Khanate whic is a Turkic state and addopt them.