The amount of fun I had playing osu increased exponentially once I got to the point where I could handle hard and light insanes. There is such a signifigant lack of good quality low difficulty maps.
Which is sad because that what new people playing osu will play, and if it's designed like a chore and it's bad, it will just make them stop playing the game
@@daridon2483 It didn't stopped me, i started to play osu when aspires started to become mainstream and everyone were hyped about it, and me as well too, even tho i couldn't play them at that moment yet, i still loved 'em. I'm always were interested in any kind of maps (as long as they are made in right way) and enjoyed playing them. There's just always some people, who are dissatisfied with something, nothing can be perfect for everyone at the same time, and no one stopping people from mapping easy maps as they should have been (before)
as someone who plays hard difficulties it's so obvious that a lot of mappers don't care about low difficulties, sometimes I have to force myself to play in insane because It's more fun.
the case of: Toumei Elegy- the Skystar's Tragic Love Extra is being pp farmed unlike Ultimate Reverberant Gonkanau Sotarks' Quaver- fiery's extra, also being pp farmed to death Monstrata's Chinese Bill Nye- Irre's GD
Usually low bpm songs are better with low diffs, unless they want to make a slider maps, but the faster the songs, harder diffs are better (this is only my opinion ok)
I disagree, as a shit player, its so boring playing these low difficulty maps that are designed as a chore, very few maps made at that level have interesting or fun concepts to play, which I think is sad, as these levels are what tells a player whether or not they enjoy the game and want to keep playing
@@pishifat Hey, should I begin mapping maps that are in the playable zone for me? Because you need to play quite a fair bit of maps to see what they have in common and learn from them.
@@All-star_Giga_Gargantuar I would say (if your new to mapping) start out with non complex low - mid bpm maps / songs. Rank / 'play zone' does not = mapping experience. Starting slow and working your way up is the way to go (imo). Mapping is like an entire game within the game. I see a decent amount of 6 digits mapping 6 - 7 stars so that's why i think it goes down to mapping exp not playing exp.
fanzhen's Basic diff on Dopamine is amazing imo, but anyways. i think easier diffs are really nice because just like insanes and higher, they might be able to describe a song perfectly compared to any other way of mapping. low-fi, chillstep, Hollow Wings' two super pretty maps. that kind of stuff.
Well, there was also history of Japan, but yes, I am well aware. (Hence ":P") But he said "a bill wurtz video" and most of his videos are nothing like those.
Oof Master imo hard is the hardest of the 3 and as I go down in difficulty, it gets easier and easier. But that’s because I don’t understand hard difficulty construction
Mercury - Hard isn’t hard because normal people who can comprehend circles and curves perfectly is more focused on Hard-Insane maps. Easy and Normal difficulties are actually difficult to map because of inexperienced players playing it, you can’t really determine whether a map is too hard or you’re underestimating new players. Since distance snapping exists, mapping easy difficulties went easier than before. If you’re having a bad time mapping Hard levels, distance snapping isn’t actually an option due to the jumps needed to make a map harder than before.
The problem for me in creating low level difficulties is not that hey are boring or a chore, but that they are untestable by me as I can't fit myself in a new players shoes. I don't understand how hard or interesting the map feels for the target audience...
I can fc 3 star maps but not much higher and I hate it when mappers take an already fast song and put things like triple taps constantly or put big streams because it's already going fast but now I gotta worry about making sure I'm hitting z and x fast but not so fast that I get ahead of the circles.
As someone who has been playing Osu! for 2 1/2 months and has recently been able to get a B on 3-star maps, I really do appreciate the people who put effort into their low-difficulty maps.
Will you be making a similar guide to higher difficulties? Or are you just focusing on the issues of the grey area on easy, normal, and hard difficulties?
Easy, normal, and hard difficulties are very limited in rhythm choice and concepts. You have to adhere to strict guidelines for your lower difficulties to be rankable. The higher difficulties allow virtually anything, so he can't really make a video like this for higher difficulties.
12:30 that's exactly whats wrong with low star maps. And they are ultra boring because of that. Of course there are some good ones but you have to know how to find them. As a new player you don't. I started playing maps that were way too hard for me and spent over 400 attempts just to pass my first two maps, each. I didn't mind it then because the maps were actually fun to play, but I didn't learn to play. I just spammed buttons. There should be couple tutorial easy maps that anyone can read (like described in the video) and leave the rest to mappers. If mappers are allowed to do more interesting low star maps I bet they will. (Also maybe not mandatory to have low star maps for every song. Like make 2 get 1 for free kind of deal.) quality >> quantity
circle on slider start is harder for me than double circle on slider hahaha Btw while you do not use certain features in lower difficulties and others in higher difficulties you could also teach users the harder features in lower difficulties if done right :P
I know that this is a horrible idea, but someone should map one of these videos, but every slider, circle, and spinner are actual things you have to click.
I played easy maps, progressively playing harder maps until I already reached 2*. Skipping to normal seems a bit unnecessary unless you already have experience in the game, which is impossible if you're new.
I never played easy diffs. When I started i found them to be too easy for me and thus I am really bad at maping them. The same goes for hard diffs too, so thank you for this video :D maybe I will finally get my first map ranked ._.
I think that would be for the ingame playtime, not real time. I got to normal diffs during the first night playing, but i played for 5 hours, unlike most ppl
6:54 So we suck at playing too now, not just mapping.
pishi is a harsh mentor
😢
so lets be honest
you suck at playing
You suck until you're below 300k. Then you're average until around 50k. Then good till 3k. And amazing until 100. A god beyond that
@@TheDigitalZero theres no 'average'
@@TheDigitalZero So 250k players are average, while 1.3 mil are garbage?
The amount of fun I had playing osu increased exponentially once I got to the point where I could handle hard and light insanes. There is such a signifigant lack of good quality low difficulty maps.
Which is sad because that what new people playing osu will play, and if it's designed like a chore and it's bad, it will just make them stop playing the game
@@daridon2483 It didn't stopped me, i started to play osu when aspires started to become mainstream and everyone were hyped about it, and me as well too, even tho i couldn't play them at that moment yet, i still loved 'em. I'm always were interested in any kind of maps (as long as they are made in right way) and enjoyed playing them. There's just always some people, who are dissatisfied with something, nothing can be perfect for everyone at the same time, and no one stopping people from mapping easy maps as they should have been (before)
You keep saying "small" jumps in hard difficulties, but all I hear is "cross screen triples"
dragonigthFX lel
dragonigthFX Aka exit this earth's atmosphere if it had an easy diff
this comment is a good comment
as someone who plays hard difficulties it's so obvious that a lot of mappers don't care about low difficulties, sometimes I have to force myself to play in insane because It's more fun.
agreed! less than half of the easy maps I played when starting out were actually fun or almost as fun as the normal to hard difficulties.
@@avu2888 because most people doesn't play them. So mappers will probably never care
And then there is Andrea, having over 200 maps ranked, most of them only having Easy, Normal and Hard.
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Thanks for making my sunday better
i want to die
@@Val-ul5fl Are you ok now? Sorry I'm 3 years late
@@Omar-yt7zf LOL yeah it's fine dw
It's funny that sometimes one of the lower difficulties is better than the hardest one
pelojean pierrlebgswagez Omg same
Probably because the hardest diff is overloaded with jumps to increase difficulty
the case of:
Toumei Elegy- the Skystar's Tragic Love Extra is being pp farmed unlike Ultimate Reverberant Gonkanau
Sotarks' Quaver- fiery's extra, also being pp farmed to death
Monstrata's Chinese Bill Nye- Irre's GD
Usually low bpm songs are better with low diffs, unless they want to make a slider maps, but the faster the songs, harder diffs are better (this is only my opinion ok)
I disagree, as a shit player, its so boring playing these low difficulty maps that are designed as a chore, very few maps made at that level have interesting or fun concepts to play, which I think is sad, as these levels are what tells a player whether or not they enjoy the game and want to keep playing
Ryan Poplett idk that only made me motiveted to get better at the game
(I can play up to 6* and fc up to 5* now fyi)
The only struggle i had when i started was the too low ar, the rest was fine for new players
@ccc310 You're right. I'm a 5 digit now so I get to play fun maps anyway
oh my god thank you
this is perfect for me now because I'm making a map and I'm struggling a bit with the easier difficulties
what timing
Mustaccio you didnt even watch the video yet tho
description spoils it pretty well
either way, it doesn't make it any less painful to map the easier difficulties
at least I got some nice pishi asmr
@@pishifat Hey, should I begin mapping maps that are in the playable zone for me? Because you need to play quite a fair bit of maps to see what they have in common and learn from them.
@@All-star_Giga_Gargantuar I would say (if your new to mapping) start out with non complex low - mid bpm maps / songs. Rank / 'play zone' does not = mapping experience. Starting slow and working your way up is the way to go (imo). Mapping is like an entire game within the game. I see a decent amount of 6 digits mapping 6 - 7 stars so that's why i think it goes down to mapping exp not playing exp.
fanzhen's Basic diff on Dopamine is amazing imo, but anyways. i think easier diffs are really nice because just like insanes and higher, they might be able to describe a song perfectly compared to any other way of mapping. low-fi, chillstep, Hollow Wings' two super pretty maps. that kind of stuff.
I want pishi to make a history of osu!mapping like a bill wurtz video :P
Well, considering the average bill wurtz video is like 3 seconds long, I don't think it would be too interesting :P
Yndostrui He is talking about history of the entire world i guess
Well, there was also history of Japan, but yes, I am well aware. (Hence ":P") But he said "a bill wurtz video" and most of his videos are nothing like those.
and now for some reason most of pishi's viewers are depressed peeps who depend on his videos to feel happiness
wha
Don't worry. Mapping Easy is easy, Normal is normal, and Hard is... actually easier. :3
Wrong.
Mapping Easy is hard.
Mapping Normal is normal.
Mapping Hard is easy.
Oof Master imo hard is the hardest of the 3 and as I go down in difficulty, it gets easier and easier. But that’s because I don’t understand hard difficulty construction
Mercury - Hard isn’t hard because normal people who can comprehend circles and curves perfectly is more focused on Hard-Insane maps. Easy and Normal difficulties are actually difficult to map because of inexperienced players playing it, you can’t really determine whether a map is too hard or you’re underestimating new players. Since distance snapping exists, mapping easy difficulties went easier than before. If you’re having a bad time mapping Hard levels, distance snapping isn’t actually an option due to the jumps needed to make a map harder than before.
The problem for me in creating low level difficulties is not that hey are boring or a chore, but that they are untestable by me as I can't fit myself in a new players shoes. I don't understand how hard or interesting the map feels for the target audience...
Hyou Subaru Join a multiplayer group full of 6 dugits and make them play the map
Itachi Uchiha actually ive seen people do this once or twice as a six digit, it doesnt always work. a mix of six and seven would work better
I can fc 3 star maps but not much higher and I hate it when mappers take an already fast song and put things like triple taps constantly or put big streams because it's already going fast but now I gotta worry about making sure I'm hitting z and x fast but not so fast that I get ahead of the circles.
Yea gosh those triple taps!
I hate these guys who put so many triple taps..
Don't worry guys you can still map cross screen jumps for Hard difficulties now, they'll still be 3*
woah, that hard diff he was mapping was my favorite to play when i was around that level, strange coincidence
As someone who has been playing Osu! for 2 1/2 months and has recently been able to get a B on 3-star maps, I really do appreciate the people who put effort into their low-difficulty maps.
Ive only mapped mania and taiko because I had no idea how to map the lower diffs for osu, but this really helps give an idea
6:54 "Someone who sucks, but at least know how to play the game" - pishifat
Me: OUCH!
Will you be making a similar guide to higher difficulties? Or are you just focusing on the issues of the grey area on easy, normal, and hard difficulties?
Easy, normal, and hard difficulties are very limited in rhythm choice and concepts. You have to adhere to strict guidelines for your lower difficulties to be rankable. The higher difficulties allow virtually anything, so he can't really make a video like this for higher difficulties.
high difficulties have no restrictions on the level of low difficulties, so no
12:30 that's exactly whats wrong with low star maps. And they are ultra boring because of that.
Of course there are some good ones but you have to know how to find them. As a new player you don't.
I started playing maps that were way too hard for me and spent over 400 attempts just to pass my first two maps, each.
I didn't mind it then because the maps were actually fun to play, but I didn't learn to play. I just spammed buttons.
There should be couple tutorial easy maps that anyone can read (like described in the video) and leave the rest to mappers.
If mappers are allowed to do more interesting low star maps I bet they will.
(Also maybe not mandatory to have low star maps for every song. Like make 2 get 1 for free kind of deal.)
quality >> quantity
That would be me, suck at the game but i know how to play it. Someday i'll get to 3 and 4 star maps
hey, you'll improve.
There's a distance spacing slider?! How have I never noticed that?
Ah, "hello there!" Is what i need when im depressed :')
but my question is, *how* do you make different difficulties for your maps
File Tab > Create New Difficulty
Nice! I've got a lot of songs id like to map but a lot of them are very slow so I'm planning to do only easy difficulties mapsets
Obligatory _hello there_ comment.
quick question, in any way, shape, or form does knowing music theory help in mapping in osu?
ikyy I guess a lil but, pattern and rhythym thats all
nacht 100ing
Good for spin to win
Where can I find your osu skin?
So what about making sliderart / big slider on easy ? I see them often
circle on slider start is harder for me than double circle on slider hahaha
Btw while you do not use certain features in lower difficulties and others in higher difficulties you could also teach users the harder features in lower difficulties if done right :P
Osu difficulities:
Easy: too slow, pretty nice patterns tho :D
Normal: defeat god
That`s why my 2stars are all complete and i can play them on DT or some shit but my 3stars are weird to me
What I just notice in Normal or easy every time is that there is more sliders than circles..
This is why i love sundays :)
I've been torturing myself for a long time now.
Whats the map from 11:54?
thanks now i can care about easy, normal and hard difficulties
okay im not even a mapper but... WTF IS YOUR MOUSE SIZE
I know that this is a horrible idea, but someone should map one of these videos, but every slider, circle, and spinner are actual things you have to click.
The first and easyest difficulty after the tutorial is suuuuuuper hard, i like the challenge but idk if thats the best idea xD
I like your concept in Easy and Normal, similar concept to mine
~theramdans
This guy has the voice of the tutorial's map voice
That's because this guy _is_ the one speaking in the tutorial. If you look at the tutorial, pishifat mapped it!
i think you are that man from osu tutorial is 100% your voice!
yea pishifat made the tutorial, he mapped it :D
@@xy0vr._loc4lgxm3r-. wow!
skin?plz
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Akitoshi's Normal
i decided to open osu after this video.... it opened on this map.
Mr. Pishifat, I know you find this kind of annoying, but could you ever do a storyboard tutorial video? ;n;?
i don't storyboard :(
Oh ya I see unu, thank you very much ;3;
'mr. pishifat'
I love you
The skin? pls :/
whats going on with the green lines at the bottom
Uninherited timing points I believe
copy pasted from a full version of the song
Where is the insain/easyextra/mediumextra/hardextra maps video
You don't get my point do you
Nice profile pic
@@riddlydiddly666 He doesn't have a point. It was a joke.
I came here for "Hello there"
Does anyone even play easy? I thought most people just jump to normal immediately
I played easy maps, progressively playing harder maps until I already reached 2*. Skipping to normal seems a bit unnecessary unless you already have experience in the game, which is impossible if you're new.
Give us the 25 hour Nacht der Untoten vid pls, oh and please relist your videos :)
I never played easy diffs. When I started i found them to be too easy for me and thus I am really bad at maping them. The same goes for hard diffs too, so
thank you for this video :D maybe I will finally get my first map ranked ._.
HELLO THERE :V
4:25 omg its a peepee
hi
A few hours of playing time LOL. Try a few days bud.
Months for me xD
I think that would be for the ingame playtime, not real time. I got to normal diffs during the first night playing, but i played for 5 hours, unlike most ppl
My first map other than tutorial is a normal
do i hear smash bros ost
been using some smash dnb remix as my "example map" for over a year
so yep