Welcome to Christianity. You will find this site useful, it caters to "Formers:" www.formeradventist.com/ There are several here, not me, who are former Adventists that you can reach out to if needed. By the way, what was it that convinced you to leave Adventism?
It is sad my brother, that for 20years you were not studying the scriptures (you would agree with me if you are honest with yourself) Rev 12:17, tell us who are God's remnant people, you were apart of that group, however it's not too late to rejoin the narrow path Matt 7:13,14.
@@whitnolcunningham7553 He left the SDA cult. Did you know SDA believe in abortion and actually practice it too ? The SDA hospital in Loma Linda CA perform abortions for any reason . What about the commandment " thou shall not murder" ? In Jeremiah , God said I knew you when I formed you in the womb . God created those babies and SDA doctors and nurses kill them for money . It's the only religious group that does this . Very strange coming from a people that claim to obey the 10 commandments ! ! Hypocrite's !
This is the passage that really grieved me and made me start running from SDA. You've probably spoke on this at some point. It's basically taking Christ out of Hebrews 1:1 and replacing with herself (E.G.White). ""In ancient times God spoke through the mouths of prophets and apostles. In these days he speaks to them by the Testimonies of his Spirit. (her writings" (Testimonies, Vol. 4, p. 148; Vol. 5., p. 661) " Extremely wicked, conscience seared woman.
Are you ever out of Biblical context: Read the next verse: Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Spoken to us when? By whom? What prophets? John, Paul, Luke, Peter, and Matthew: ???????????????????????????????
@@ureasmith3049 Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" He has spoken to us by Whom: "by His Son" Does not say prophets in this verse: Verse 1 is historical, but not verse 2: ?? 2Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Doing what? "Rightly dividing the word of truth"
It is amazing how much falsehood comes from EGW in comparison to the Word of God , and yet she captured the minds of many . I pray for all to see the true Jesus ! By his wounds are we healed , Amen
Absolutely and this actual doctrine of Ellen White denying the work of Christ on the cross is so very heretical. The bible states that those who deny the work of Messiah are anti-Christ; Adventism is anti-Christ: 1Jn 2:22 ESV Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
@@TheAusJT yes I’m in a FB group where it was commented the other day that the IJ is the ‘central pillar’ of our faith! Wow. My comment was ‘I thought Jesus was the central pillar’.
Are there people still being born and in need of saving? Chronologically speaking, until he comes, the work of atonement isn't done because he didn't give it to all that he allowed to be, yet.
His work for you and I is ongoing and will be finished when He returns for His own, you and I. Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."
The final atonement doesn't take place until after Jesus returns. The blood covers sin, but that blood isn't done away with until the final atonement like the Bible shows in Lev.16:20-22. The sanctuary on earth is a replica of the heavenly sanctuary. The day of atonement is coming when the blood of Jesus that has covered our sins for so long will be wiped out. The Bible also shows the work of the scapegoat in Lev. 16:21-22. It's not a made up unbelief. Check out the Bible for yourself, this man isn't presenting truth, he takes statements out of context to make Adventists of which I am not one! Look stupid and unChristlike! Becareful of this man he isn't sharing the real truth.. look up those verses and read before and after them to get the real context, not the sorrid story he's painting.
WOW! Mark S really went on and on below. I'm glad one simple verse like Romans 10:13 gives us all the assurance we need. 🕊️ Going through your series again now that I've read Canright and studied the Burnt Over District. Blessings Jim 🙏
Romans 10:13 is a great citation and a citation that on its own refutes the Investigative Judgement. We can call on the name of the Lord and do not have to wait for Adventist fictional Jesus and 1844. Reading or researching the Burn Over District opens the door of understanding and sheds light on all the false religions that started in this time and from the same area. Romans 10:11-13 ESV For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." (12) For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. (13) For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
@@AcademyApologia So a proactive murderer calls upon the name of the Lord and is saved and the murderer still goes on murdering. You people indeed make our Lord the minister of deliberate sin. Where is repentance and reformation????? Rom 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
@@loyal7790 You defective Adventist mind is shown. Who is making the argument that a murder who still goes on murdering has achieved salvation? Show me where this argument was made? You can now apologize...
@@loyal7790 If that's your question you have some serious issues. Do you think you're not a "proactive murderer" as you call it? Do you ignore the teachings of Jesus? Matthew 5:21-22 KJV Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Go ahead, tell me you don't sin! You asked a hypothetical question with an obvious answer. You may actually not understand if you were only educated in Adventism. No, a person who does not truly believe in the full payment of sin being paid AND FORGIVEN on the Cross by God Himself will never enter Heaven. A little tract called the Romans Road to Salvation led me to the local Body of the Church where I accepted Jesus Scripturally and was saved. Have I sinned since then? Yes, and I've confessed those sins and been cleansed of all unrighteousness. Even if I turn my back on God however He would never turn His on me. I'm saved and Jesus keeps the Covenant I'm in, not me. Jim and I will help you how we can. There is a way out of the SDA mind set you are locked into. Acts 2:21 KJV And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 🙏
I’m on if the ignorant ones. Finding out the full story now after knowing something is not right and praying for God to please lead me into all truth that is in Him.
Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." I believe most SDA believe when they say that they go exactly with the bible instead of studying it for themselves. They show such reverence to Ellen G. Whites' writings, placing them equal to the bible and intertwining it very deceptively that they become confused and can no longer detect her writings from the word of God, the bible. They used to make me feel like there was something I was not seeing or understanding right as though it was my fault, when it was them, the doctrine and teachings that did not line up with the bible.
I wonder why she didn't believe that Jesus blood wasn't good enough to for atonement of sins when she was former Methodist. Didn't they teach that his atoned for sins? It doesn't make sense. It seems like that knock on the head did more damage than we thought. According to doctor many blows to the head can cause a lot damage to the brain. You see things that are not there, in fact you may have hallucinations. My mother certain did. She fell several times. This was about 15 years years ago. She was in her 80's. I think she bruised her face many times. She wanted to be in control. We had a ice storm in 2009, and their power was out and they were staying at my brother in laws. Well I lived practically next door so I went to visit. They were all talking in their normal. At the time my landlord was trying to get me evicted. My dad hadn't slept good that night. I was trying to explain to her what the guy was doing. They were all talking in their normal voice , but everytime I would say anything she would want me to keep my voice down because she didn't want me to wake my dad up. This went on for about 10 minutes. Everyone was talking in their normal voice. Well I waited. This is to show how brain injury can effect a person. I started to say it again , well the same thing happened. 😊. I got frustrated and left. It seem as though she was another world. I bet Ellen White was to. That is how she came up with all these visions. It is no telling what her mental state was. 😞.
Good point. You would think the Methodists taught her correctly about the atonement of Christ and I am sure they did. I am then confident Ellen White rejected all Christian learning and then with the help of her husband and others, created their own version of Jesus, which is completely false.
@@AcademyApologia right she just probably threw out what she had learned out the window after she met up with James White. I Haven't been to Methodist worship service , but I have seen one. It seems they have a song for certain parts of the sermon while the preacher is talking about. Then after the song he continues with his message. It was the first time to see a worship conducted in that manner. 🤔
@@shellyblanchard5788 I recently finished a fantastic book called the "Burnt Over District" from 1950. This is the best book on the crazy and often in excess religious revivals which occurred in the early to mid-1800's, of which the Methodists were key players. Methodists even then were largely considered a fringe. Today the Methodists continue their downward trend. There is a Methodist chruch less than one mile from me which embraces all things modern (gender inclusiveness, gay marriage, etc). So, it is no surprise to me that Ellen White had no clear and solid biblical teachings.
Thank you and this is topic is extremely important. Seventh-day Adventism denies the work of Christ on the cross. I came across this quote yesterday, which is astounding: *"Our sins were not forgiven at the cross; we were not there." Our sins are forgiven today when we confess them by virtue of Christ's provision on the cross. Christ's sacrifice was perfect for all, for all time. The sacrificial aspect of the "atonement" was provided once for all at the cross (Heb. 7:27; 9:28; 10:12). But, in the Old Testament sense, "atonement" is not complete until our heavenly Mediator has applied the merits of His blood on our behalf. As the priest's sprinkling of blood was necessary in the earthly sanctuary, so Christ's heavenly mediation by virtue of His shed blood is essential for our sins to be forgiven.” “Christ’s Ministry of Forgiveness” Adult Sabbath School Lessons, July, Aug, Sept. 1996, p. 26
Thank you for viewing and commenting. Yes, even though this was 3 years ago, this topic is of most importance and remains important. Adventism denies the atonement of Christ on the cross and because they deny this principle work of Christ, Adventism is anti-Christ: 1Jn 2:22 ESV Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
I like it! It has just been added to my list of future videos and this is a great topic for it is foolishness to believe one can uphold the law and at the same time be under grace. Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
I agree with everything you have said. I came here because of my own questions. How do we reconcile all the verses in the NT that speak about being judged by our works etc? My understanding is that our ‘works’ is putting on Christ, His robes of righteousness which He achieved for me, and the fruits of the Holy Spirit that is evidence of Our belonging to Jesus - our love for one another.
It is good you are searching and questioning. Once we are Christians we ought to show evidence of your Christianity by the works we do. Now, there is the possibility that even as a Christian our works are not performed with proper intentions. If I as a Christian perform works because I seek attention or for some other ill motive, those works will "be burned" and I will not receive any reward. My salvation is not in question, but my rewards are none for doing works with the wrong motive. Only those works done out of true motive and to the glory of Christ are those that the Christian will receive rewards. If you are an Adventist, you may have an incorrect view of Christ. Christ did not come to show you how to keep the Law, Christ came to be the Savior of the World and to die on the cross for your sins, which Ellen White denies. When we become Christians, we are indeed to exhibit a changed life, but you and I will not become sinless or perfect. We are God's creation and our linage is sin. But back to works, yes we ought to do works that evidence our salvation, but if we perform those works for wrong motives we get no eternal reward and if we truly do works for the proper motives, then we will receive eternal rewards. This judgement you read in 1 Cor. 3 is called the Believers Judgement. REFERENCE 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (12) Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw- (13) each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. (14) * If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. (15) If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.* John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
..sin is tge transgression of the law..punishable by death...when and to whom this definition of sin is applicable .is it applicable only to the old covenant people and not to the new..now if this definition of sin is applicable for both ....what commandments and laws of Christ in the new covenant wherein when we violated it becomes and be called as a sin punishable by death according to the scripture ?
Absolutely and this video, at least to me, highlights why Adventists fare not Christian. They [Adventists} deny Christ's work on the cross and doing that is shows how unbiblical Adventists are in their teachings.
Do you have any idea what they were saying? I think not. Quoting out of context. 1Co_3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Just because Jesus died on the cross does not mean that we do not think that He is not coming back to get His people after He has prepared a place for us. Why would they be anxious about Him coming again on October 22, 1883, 1884? They did back then and they do still now.
Your comment missed the point of the video and that point is that Jesus of the Seventh-day Adventist is NOT the Jesus of the bible. Adventism has a doctrine of a false Christ. One example, Ellen White, as did many, many others, taught Jesus did not die on the cross for a single sin: “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.” White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357 So, do you agree with Ellen White in her denial of Christs work of dying for the sins of the world?
@@AcademyApologiaHow does this quote is saying that Jesus did not die for our sins? It literally starts establishing that. You cannot be taken seriously 🤦♀️
@@melissa6448 You are not reading with understanding. The bold text shows Christ did not die on the cross for a single sin and that sin stands on record in the sanctuary, not on the cross. The cross denying teaching of Adventism is not just from Ellen White but many others. The following below are just a sample of other cross denying Adventist like Ellen White: The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.” Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237 “But when does the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary, or the work of atonement, commence? At the close of the 2300 years, in 1844. *Then Christ, our high priest, passed into the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, to begin the work of atonement.*” Corliss, J. O. Eld. “The Twenty-Three Hundred Days” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 26 February 1880. p. 130 *“The idea that the atonement for the sins of the world was completed on the day when Christ rose from the dead, is an error which is very prevalent in the orthodox world of today.* It is an error which is often made to do duty in supporting the Sunday Sabbath institution, on the ground that, as redemption is a great and glorious work, the day on which it was completed is especially worthy of our commemoration. For having held and publicly taught a different view, Seventh-day Adventists have been denounced in bitter terms, and accused of denying the atonement altogether.” L.A.S. “The Atonement Not Completed” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 13 March 1888. p. 176 “To know what God requires of His people just now, we must realize the time in which we are living. When Christ as our high priest entered the most holy place in 1844 to finish His priestly work for us, that marked the beginning of the day of atonement. When the Israelites reached the day of atonement in type, they were told to " afflict " their souls.” Carter, A. “The Use of Our Money” Advent Review and Sabbath Review Herald, 23 October 1924. p. 10 “In order to free us forever from the guilt of our sins, Jesus, our high priest, will inflict the death penalty upon Satan, the scapegoat, at the end of the thousand years. *Not only must Satan die for our sins* that have been confessed, forgiven, and blotted out, but he must die for his own sins also, of which he knew no repentance.” “Lesson Notes” Youth’s Instructor. 31 August 1943, p. 7
@@AcademyApologia Believing that Jesus's work of atonement didn't end at the cross doesn't mean believing that he didn't die for our sins. Don’t you believe that Jesus is now in heaven interceding for sinners, meaning working for our redemption? Is it finished or not? The sacrifice on the cross made redemption a certainty, but it will be completely fulfilled when humanity is brought together with God again in heaven. Again, all of this is possible because Jesus died for our sins.
@@melissa6448 You clearly did not read the quotes above and are willfully ignorant in the face of official Adventist teachings. (2Th 2:11) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, (2Th 2:12) in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
That chapter says nothing about Jesus not being the archangel Michael. It talks about the angels as those beings God created to serve on his throne and are therefore inferior to him. The term “archangel Michael” doesn’t necessarily refer to this type of creatures. It’s an Old Testament title that refers to Jesus, like the “angel of the Lord” in Genesis 16.
@@AcademyApologia when you refer to this guy with the beard, Smith, who you say was one of the founders of sda, which period you refer to? Is he the one who saw the vision of the sanctuary or is it some other guy?
@@liepa7768 That would be Uriah Smith who was among the founders of the SDA chruch. He did not originate the Sanctuary teaching. The person who did was Hiram Edson. The vision of Hiram Edson was published in a news paper (Day Star) and was later presented to Ellen White. Then Ellen White had a vision which she said confirmed the vision or Hiram Edson's vision of the Sanctuary doctrine and that was the creation of this doctrine; two visions.
Perhaps and if you are a Christian then you likely believe this. But if you are an Adventist (who are not Christian), then you prophet teaches something completely different: “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin;* it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.” White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357 “The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.” Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
I expose false religion and defend True Christianity and expose the fale and non-Christian like Adventists: Jude 1:3 ESV Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write *appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.* Adventism is works of darkness and Adventists need to know they are not in a Christian religion and the works of Adventism must be exposed: Ephesians 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Amen! I could not understand these teachings even as a child being raised up in this church, because I read my bible, and it did not match. People in the church made me feel like a rebellious child because I did not agree and saw it a different way. I did eventually become rebellious against them but not against believing in Jesus as my savior and decided to leave this church in my later teens. They removed my name from their membership, and I was glad to be done with them. Ellen G. White was a false prophet. No doubt about it, but the whole church would fall apart if these doctrines were changed. They cannot change them. The foundation is built on Ellen G. White, 1844, and the investigative judgment. It is the center of their faith, not Jesus and his redeeming blood on the cross.
I don’t know what they taught you in your church but you can look up the official Adventist beliefs and you’ll find that it is not what this video is saying. There is no contradiction between the real investigative judgment doctrine and the Bible. They need to force lies into it in order to conclude that the Adventist church is antichrist but the fact that they need to do this proves the opposite
Even in the debate between Walter Martin and Dr Johnso the editor of the Adventist review, Dr Johnson also denied the atonment was complete at Calvary.
Yes, I remember watching this video. This, as yo know, is one of those areas where Adventists duck and dodge. Adventist know this is a significant dividing point and it is difficult for them to claim they are "Protestant" while at the same time denying the atonement of Christ. I recently came across this lengthy quote below, which again confirms that Adventists admit their view of the atonement is not the Christian view. Notice the torture then employ in this quote to force their atonement view into the larger Protestant view as though they are, in a macro sense, one and the same. “Both Miller and Crosier strongly affirm that the atonement was not completed on the cross. Miller says, "Instead then of the atonement being made at the death and sufferings of Christ, it is made by his life and intercession in heaven." Crosier goes so far as to say that Christ "did not begin the work of making the atonement, whatever the nature of that work may be, till after his ascension, when by His own blood He entered His heavenly Sanctuary for us. These views run counter to what for centuries the Christian church in general has been teaching on the atonement. To some evangelical Christians, views such as this are regarded as blasphemous, or at the very least, totally non-Christian. Because Seventh-day Adventists have insisted on an atonement now going on, and for certain other reasons as well, these evangelical Christians have not even been willing to classify Seventh-day Adventists as Christians. They have labeled them a cult. Do Seventh-day Adventists actually believe that the atonement was not finished on the cross? This question can be answered by both a No and a Yes. It all depends on what definition is given to the word atonement. If atonement is defined as evangelical Christians define it, the answer is an emphatic No. Essentially the Adventist position on this aspect of the atonement agrees with that of the Christian world in general.". . . “Here, then, was the reason they needed to be concerned about the atonement. They needed to discover what aspect of atonement began in 1844 on the basis of the fact that the antitypical day of atonement began on that date. Hence the reasoning presented in the Miller letter and in the Crosier article. The same thoughts are also expressed in Seventh-day Adventist publications. For example, The SDA Bible Commentary, commenting on Leviticus 4:12, says, "He [Christ] ministers on our behalf [in the heavenly sanctuary]. This phase of the ministry of Christ is as necessary to our salvation as was the ministry of the blood of the lamb at the time of the first Passover, and as with all offerings in which blood was shed.” D. F. N. “Was the Atonement Finished on the Cross?” Adventist Review, 22 April 1976, p. 11
@@@AcademyApologia : I could not help but marvel with disgust at the serpentine logic employed to obscure what is essentially a significant violation of biblical principle. Adventism has been a heterodox discipline from the onset and it's penchant for apostacy is woven into the very fabric of it's DNA. If the bible is the greater light, why not accept what it plainly says about the atonment? Thank you again for your hardwork at exposing the fraud which is Adventism.
@Ray Michaels Adventists are not being too literal. They are forcing the bible to suit their doctrines. Adventists need a Jesus as a Levitical priest as the Adventist Sanctuary sin forgiving services have been ongoing since 1844. Adventists have a Jesus as the Priests we see in Lev. 16. The Adventist Sanctuary Jesus did not die on the cross for sins and is forgiving sins in heaven as we speak. This false Jesus is always portrayed as Levitical priest in Adventist literature which is a clear reference to the Levitical priests. The Adventists denial of Jesus death on the cross as the ONLY and FINAL atonement for mankind is most blasphemous and your are right the scapegoat Satan bearing all the sins of mankind is right up there in terms of heretical teachings. Colleen Tinker has great teachings and if you are not, consider getting their monthly podcasts.
Well the atonement,the Lamb is part of judaism mentality and the way they work. The blood of the Jesus sacrifice sealed a new covenant for open a new better way to received redemption of our sins. In the Moses covenant for sealed it was necessary the blood of the sacrifice of animals.And the redemption was with inmolated animals.
Yes, the blood of Christ on the cross paid the debt of sin once and for all and at that moment, but not according to Adventists leaders such as Ellen White.
The phrase "doctrinal error" is vague. There are churches who take communion once a week and other once a month. This is not doctrinal error. There are churches who baptize by immersion and there are those who baptize by immersion. This is not doctrinal error. Doctrinal error resides in doctrines on issues of salvation, the nature of Christ, the nature of God and the bible as the sole source all matters of faith. There are plenty of churches with differences which are not significant and there are churches which do differ on matters of doctrine such as Adventists, Mormons, JWs, Catholics, etc.
Error is error, that's like calling sin a white sin or black sin, one is worse than the other! No all error is wrong. In communion, Jesus set the example, told us to do like wise, he didn't say how often, so it's not error to do it weekly or monthly in it even quarterly. If your going to follow example, that would be yearly at Passover! Read Mark 14: or Matt. 26:26-29. Baptism is another thing, we are told to immerse a person in water, it is symbolic of dying and being researched a new creature. Read Matt. 3:13-17 That's a fact and not changeable. Read the Bible, it will tell you what and how to follow, and live a Christian life. Don't let man confuse you, pray and read for yourself, God will give you the answers your searching for. Be Leary of humans claiming they know your wrongs and are quick to point them out, listen, take note, but search for yourself, you just might find a whole different meaning! Just saying..
..brother...to whom this 1 John 2:1 was address...do you agree and conform that Christ is your advocate and your propitiator ...what does the scripture says ...ye sin not ..but if ye sin we have Christ our advocate and our propitiator ...the word sin here am so certain is the transgression of the law according to scriptures definition...question ...in this definition of sin ...what law and commandments of Christ in the new covenant wherein when we violated ..it becomes and be called a sin according to the scripture..?
This video is another misrepresentation, misinformation or deliberate disinformation. As we used to be told as kids, if you cannot say something positive about someone it is better to not say anything at all. Cherry picking and taking scripture/quotes out of context is deliberate misleading. 0:03
Thank you and this is your acknowledgement that complaint #452 has been received. A comment upon biblical matters that is absent biblical citations is simply a mundane complaint. Thank you for complaining. A complaint shows a complete inability to refute the contents of the video.
If the devil as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour, should a person sit still and not alert others? I do not think it is a matter of only saying nice or polite things instead of speaking the truth. I have always noticed when SDA members cannot use a verse from the bible to defend their view that they always accuse other people of taking things out of context or cherry-picking verses.
....@5:30 there is a partial quote, that is manipulated to your view from PP. - quote with more- The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; - ... put back in context so you don't believe in the Final Day of Atonement After the thousand years and the final cleansing of all sin in the world's History
Did you not see what you just cited? You proved and reinforced that the atonement occurs in the false Investigative Judgement, not on the cross (John 19:30). The full Ellen White quote proves the intent of this video; Adventists have a heretical view of the atonement of Christ and do not believe it occurred on the Cross.
@@AcademyApologia so by your avoidance, you don't believe the Atonement Of Christ has anything to do with the eradication of all sin in the world.. saints and sinners alike
@@AcademyApologia PP. The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin offering removed the sin from the penitent, but it rested in the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement. {PP 357.5} In the great day of final award, the dead are to be "judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Revelation 20:12.
The word "atonement" only appears 1 time in the entire New Testament. Once! And that is in the KJV only. In all other versions the word is translated "reconciliation". Reconciliation is the proper translation. It is true, the truly repentant sinner is reconciled to God through Christ and Christ alone. Jesus made this possible by standing in our stead. Our sin was transferred to Jesus at His death, as long as we believe, ask for forgiveness and repent. We know that it is only Jesus that can save us. However, the issue here is not that Adventism is wrong, it is that you misunderstand the means by which God saves. Trust in Jesus, yes. This is the Adventist's hope. However, Adventists understand the difference between reconciliation and the Atonement. In order to understand the atonement, we have to look to the Old Testament, because that is where it is explained. Lets look at a few definitions from Naves as to What atonement can be made for, according to Naves Topical Bible: Atonement (Nave's Topical Bible) • Miscellany of minor sub-topics - For tabernacle and furniture Lev 16:15-20; Lev 16:33 - In consecration of the Levites Num 8:21 - For those defiled by the dead Num 6:11 - Made for houses Lev 14:53 - By meat offerings Lev 5:11-13 - By jewels Num 31:50 - By money Exod 30:12-16; Lev 5:15-16; 2Kgs 12:16 - By incense Num 16:46-50 *_Please note that atonement has an entirely different complexion than what most Christians think that it means. Atonement does not have to be related directly to sacrifice for the people._* The next category we have is the atonement as it applies only to Salvation. Please note that these references in the Old Testament are the only way we have of knowing what atonement is when it comes to our Salvation. These are Types or Shadows of the True. In this case, the entire sanctuary service was a pattern or "copy" of the actual sanctuary service in heaven. The following are the only references we have of the Atonement as it is applied to people: • Day of: - Time of Exod 30:10; Lev 23:27; Lev 25:9; Num 29:7 - How observed Exod 30:10; Lev 16:2-34; Lev 23:27-32; Num 29:7-11; Acts 27:9; Heb 5:3; Heb 9:7; Heb 9:19; Heb 9:22 These references tell us that the atonement is an ANNUAL event. *_It is very important to note that throughout the year, individuals presented their individual sin offerings, but these events were NOT considered to be the atonement._* The Atonement is a shadow of things to come, as were all of the ceremonial aspects of the Old Covenant. It is a method for us to understand type/Anti-type. The atonement represents is a type of an end of the world anti-type. You made a severe mischaracterization of the atonement at the outset of your harangue. Not once did you quote a verse that had the term "atonement" in it. You basically led the viewer to accept a misapplication of the term through an improper definition that you assigned to it, making it appear one and the same with your definition. I believe this was an accident, but nevertheless, it shows that you should be limiting yourself in terms of what you teach. I am sorry to say this, but you teach error. How you can call Adventists the things you have and made such terrible accusations is also clearly in error. You should firstly ask the Lord for wisdom to see your error, and forgiveness for making false accusations against a group of Gods very own people.
Ok but I have a few questions that you can answer… 1) why do adventists put so much emphasis on Saturday church? The New Testament is clear in saying if a person gives you a hard time about when you worship he’s not correct 2) why do you believe a woman who says certain animals and races of humans are an amalgamation? Why do you support a woman who believed that you can’t marry outside your race? 3) where in the Bible does it say that the door closed in 1844 and God is judging us? What about everyone after 1844? If you guys are so correct what about everyone thousands of years ago who didn’t know your teachings? Why would God wait thousands of years to pick a singular denomination as the right one thereby eliminating everyone before as being eligible to go to heaven?
Thanks for your good ways of understanding. Adventist doctrine are not based on tradition, but based on the word of God.Yes,they identified the errors of the things they believe. During Millerites movement people believe Jesus coming. When Jesus did not come they did not stop reading the Bible saying Bible is wrong. They continue to study and found the Biblical interpretation of 2300days prophecy, which lead to investigative judgement. People say failure is the stepping stone to success, failure is the best teacher. Failure can be best teacher when you don't repeat the same again, if you do so you have not learnt. Dark ages were a failure to Christianity and Adventist have found way out in the light of the Bible. Sadly many call themselves Christian and fall not Christ but church tradition.Living in the darkness they have no idea or experience of light. Adventist messages is for the last days and as prophecy mentioned there will be many who will speak against the Truth.
@@shahnazsimon1928 Firstly, I don't think you understand the full import of my original post. But ok, here we go... "2) why do you believe a woman who says certain animals and races of humans are an amalgamation? Why do you support a woman who believed that you can’t marry outside your race? " _Ellen White never said any of this. You are believing what anti-Adventists say, and many of them either carelessly misquote her, or are misinformed. You are misinformed_ "3) "where in the Bible does it say that the door closed in 1844 and God is judging us? What about everyone after 1844? If you guys are so correct what about everyone thousands of years ago who didn’t know your teachings? Why would God wait thousands of years to pick a singular denomination as the right one thereby eliminating everyone before as being eligible to go to heaven?" _You are mixing up the "Shut door" with The Investigative Judgement. "The Shut Door" was Mrs White referring to a certain group in her time that abandoned the Christian faith after the Great Disappointment._ _1844 is a date, based on Daniel 7, 8 mostly. "2300 days and the sanctuary will be cleansed". Days=Years in Bible Prophecy. The Adventist movement was not a denomination at the time this prophecy was discovered. The group that stayed together was from several denominations, Baptist, Methodist, and so on. I know don't what you mean by "thousands of years ago" who didn't know "your teachings"?_ _A simple answer might be this:_ _But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased._ (Dan 12:4, KJV) _The truth of that prophecy, though spoken of by Daniel, would not be opened until the time of the end._ We are, at the time of the end, and the only Church that understands Bible Prophecy correctly, is the Adventist Church._ _Does that sound arrogant? Why? The principle that God only reveals His secret to His Prophets and to those who "keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus" is found throughout the Bible._ _"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."_ (Amos 3:7, KJV) _and pay particularly close attention to this verse:_ _"Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: _*_the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD."_* (Lam 2:9, KJV) _Those who do not obey God - who do not keep His commandments - DO NOT have the gift of prophecy._ _This is the reason why other Churches walk in error. Of course some are saved, but even they do not have the whole truth because they, unwittingly, unknowingly, break God's commandments. On things such as kindness, and holiness, many Sunday keepers are following God as best they can, and yes they will be saved. However, the last days is a completely different test. Light is being poured out from Heaven, and it is calling Sunday Churches to "...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Rev 18:4, KJV)_ _Note that he says "My people". These are those people who call themselves His people. Christians._ _That verse is talking about the last days, as it is found within that context. Note that there are 3 angels, crying in the midst of Heaven, telling people to worship God (Rev Ch 14). This is a call by angels, who are messengers, telling the Sunday Churches to come out of her my people. There is only ONE church doing that today._ _Finally, you ask why we keep "Saturday". Well, first of all, we call it the 7th Day. Saturday is the Sabbath, and you will note that it is a very controversial subject, and will become more so as the time of the end gets closer. Note how even you are embroiled in this debate. That is because it is a central question on the issue of worship (Again from Ch 14 of Rev)_ _You say that we should not "give you a hard time about worship", and you are taking a verse out of context, most likely because a false shepherd told you that it meant something it did not mean. Perhaps this one:_ _"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Col __2:16__, KJV)_ However, it goes on to clarify what it means in Verse 17 - _"Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col __2:17__, KJV)_ _"A shadow of things to come means types of the true, or ceremonial law. Sabbath days associated with the feast days were a "shadow" or a "type" of Jesus ministry and sacrifice. You should not listen to gossip about the Seventh Day Adventist people. You should go to the source to see what they say. But that would take effort. Most people would just rather let someone else do the work for them. Is that you? Why let someone else settle your beliefs for you?
@@truthneeded1211 Bible study to arrive at the doctrine of the Investigative Judgemetn. That is an opinion not based on fact. The fact is that the day after the false prophecy of William Miller and before the dew dried on the silly ascension robes, Hiram Edson laid out the Investigative Judgemetn doctrine: *“Hiram Edson of Port Gibson, N.Y. , told me that the day after the passing of the time in 1844, as he was praying behind the shocks of corn in the field; the Spirit of God came upon him* in such a powerful manner that he was almost smitten to the earth and with it came and impression. “The sanctuary to be cleansed is in heaven.” He communicated this thought to O. R. L. Croiser, and they together carefully investigated the subject. Loughborough, J.N. Rise and Progress of Seventh-day Adventists. Michigan D.C.: General Conference Association of the Seventh-day Adventists. 1892, p. 114 This vision was then confirmed by a vision by Ellen White: *“The Lord shew me in vision, more than one year ago, that Brother Crosier had the true light, on the cleansing of the Sanctuary,* and that it was his will, that Brother C. should write out the view which he gave us in the Day-Star, Extra, February 7, 1846. I feel fully authorized by the Lord, to recommend that Extra, to every saint.” White, Ellen. A Word to the Little Flock. Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 1847/2018, p. 7 There you go, the Investigative Judgemetn is the result of two visions, not bible study.
Hebrews chapter 9 clearly shows the investigative judgment is completely invented. Specifically verses 24-28. Nowhere in mainstream Christianity is this teaching found outside of adventism. Galatians 1:8-9... though we or an angel from heaven should preach another gospel...let them be accursed...and verse 9 shows his point was so important, he repeated it 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
I agree, we ought to believe in the bible and the bible alone. But Seventh-day Adventists do not believe in the bible and the bible alone. They have beliefs not found in the bible, such as Sunday Keepers will at some point in time receive the Mark of the Beast.
"Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?"~ Ps 77:13 So you're just going to totally discard the plan of salvation, as it reads in the Bible, hugh? Was the sacrifice of our Lord, on the Cross, symbolized by the presentation of the sacrificial lambs brought to the alter of sacrifice, by the repentant sinners of Israel? And was the Day of Atonement done every day/every time a lamb or dove or whatever was sacrificed? Doesn't Hebrews not say, that earthly sanctuary was a symbol of the heavenly? Maybe you should work harder on proving what God is telling you, than failing to prove beliefs that you're ignorant of as false. Christ said you'll find Him, when you seek for Him with all of your heart. You're searching for Satan & in doing so, you're following him & finding him.
Thank yoiu for the comment, but it does nothing to disprove the content of this video. You must own the words of your prophet: “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin;* it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.” White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357 SDA Jesus did not die on the cross for sins..... 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (4) *For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed,* or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
in all humility ... just paying attention to the language of Romans, Galatians, Hebrews ..makes it pretty plain and obliterates Adventist Doctrine.. Ellen and inspired Apostles can’t both right ..
@Ray Michaels not sure you're really aware of what you believe, which seems to be manifest by your name-calling & the lack of Scripture. At this time, sir, any biblical message, given for the intention of leading folks to Christ, is not meant for you. The toxic mix you mentioned, is a wine that you have drunken & are drunk with, Mr. Michaels. No more Scripture from me, to you. Follow your leader, to where he leads & i will follow mine to where He leads. Later.
@Ray Michaels Please Mr. Michaels. No...okay, I concede. Please, lead me out of darkness. That's what my Leader calls for me to do. So, since He's leading me further into darkness, PLEASE bring me to the light, sir. Do you even try to lead people to Christ, or are you one of those angry "christians" that go around justifying their own sinful desires...none being, following after Christ? Was trying to hold back anger, then trying to hold back laughter, now trying to hold back tears. This is what what Peter says about your selective usage of Paul's letters..."As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."~ 2 Peter 3:15 It's says so much, that you don't even know now to defend your own faith, as we're called to do...maybe cuz you really don't know WHAT you believe. You seem to enjoy calling people names, more than finding out anything about them...or even reading their words for yourself. Have at it, bruh. God tells us to worship Him in spirit & in truth, but you're doing neither.
My brethren in Christ, we all know that Jesus sacrificed his life for our sins. My question to you is this, can we still sin today? Jesus did not end sin, but to an obedient soul that keep his Royal Law and his words, sin will not be present in the heart or life. This is what Mrs White statement was explaining. I never knew Mr Uriah Smith before hearing of him in your video. As a proud Seventh Day Adventist, I know that Mr Smith is not a founding father of the Church, and you know this, but still seek to imply that. That's deception. You have our books that speaks clearly to our foundational beliefs, which are all biblically derived. The true gospel is being preach throughout all the world, dispite your willful falsehoods against God's remnant people, so that the truth that we preach and live will be a witness unto all nations and then the coming of our Lord and savior Jesus Matt 24:14. I want to recommend the book Steps to Christ, you can listen to it in audio on TH-cam and see if the gospel message of Jesus is not clearly portrayed. I challenge you today to read or listen.
@Michael Heathman I always believed that the bible defined SIN and not man. 1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Yes I am a sinner at the foot of the cross thanking God for his blood which offers GRACE, so that I can have a second chance to live righteously. SIN is not defined by what you FEEL OR SAY, but only as GOD defines. You are disgusted by the truth of God's words being spoken. Let the bible be your guide and show me from the bible where our understanding of the scriptures is False. The author of these videos, is not speaking truth of the SDAs, and I will continue to challenge him and call him out concerning his lies. This is that man that teaches you to disobey God's commandments (Royal Law or Ten Commandments) and the bible shares that; Ecc_12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. The bible also says that if any tells you not to keep any one of his commandments is a liar; 1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know THAT WE KNOW HIM, if we keep his commandments. 1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him. I am saying to you with boldness that the author of these videos, is a LIAR according to the scriptures and the truth is NOT IN HIM. The scriptures is telling you this, believe the scriptures.
@@whitnolcunningham7553 SDA'S break the 6 the commandment . They support abortion and actually practice it too . The SDA hospital in Loma Linda CA perform abortions for any reason . In Jeremiah 1:5 God said I knew you when I formed you in the womb and sanctified thee . God created those babies and SDA doctors and nurses murder them for money .
@@whitnolcunningham7553 I am curious as to how your "second chance to live righteously" is going? You are effectively saying that Christ died to only to give you a second chance of not sinning, which actually means that you are ultimately trusting in yourself to present your soul worthy before God. You might not see it that way but that's what it boils down to. 1 John 1:8 says "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." and verse 10 says " If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." Please consider carefully this question.
..becos Christ paid our sins ..what you are saying all your past ..present and future sins were totally and completely forgiven...what a dangerous and unscriptural teachings of a dangerous and unsensable preacher....the very example is tge life of an adulterous woman about to be stoned to death ...but what happen to her bcoz of Christ grace is so abundant ..she was forgiven and says...go and sin no more...the word sin no more is a clear indication how binding the law of God..and it is so conditional ..two things will happen to this adulterous woman...if she obey and sin no more it brings blessings ...but if she disobey and keeps on sinning ...it will brings cursings condemnations even unto death ..
Rewatching your videos, is impressive how much I still have to learn. Thank you for this one as well!
Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment. My goal is to keep making videos to continue to expose the false teachings of Adventism.
I first misstake was being Advent for up to 20 yrs. No more, i walked away from it. i grew up Pentecost, now i am back to church on Sundays.
Welcome to Christianity. You will find this site useful, it caters to "Formers:" www.formeradventist.com/
There are several here, not me, who are former Adventists that you can reach out to if needed.
By the way, what was it that convinced you to leave Adventism?
It is sad my brother, that for 20years you were not studying the scriptures (you would agree with me if you are honest with yourself) Rev 12:17, tell us who are God's remnant people, you were apart of that group, however it's not too late to rejoin the narrow path Matt 7:13,14.
@@whitnolcunningham7553 You are not GODS remnant church. Stop bragging abut yourself. I would never return to that RELIGION !!!
God bless u bro. See u in heaven
@@whitnolcunningham7553 He left the SDA cult. Did you know SDA believe in abortion and actually practice it too ? The SDA hospital in Loma Linda CA perform abortions for any reason . What about the commandment " thou shall not murder" ? In Jeremiah , God said I knew you when I formed you in the womb . God created those babies and SDA doctors and nurses kill them for money . It's the only religious group that does this . Very strange coming from a people that claim to obey the 10 commandments ! ! Hypocrite's !
I like this guy.. God bless your ministries abundantly
Welcome aboard and do stick around (subscribe) there are new videos being released and I am present in the comments everyday.
This is the passage that really grieved me and made me start running from SDA. You've probably spoke on this at some point. It's basically taking Christ out of Hebrews 1:1 and replacing with herself (E.G.White). ""In ancient times God spoke through the mouths of prophets and apostles. In these days he speaks to them by the Testimonies of his Spirit. (her writings"
(Testimonies, Vol. 4, p. 148; Vol. 5., p. 661) " Extremely wicked, conscience seared woman.
I had to look this up myself and there it was! Talk about a mis-use of the bible!
This is why I also left after 35 years , blasphemy indeed
Are you ever out of Biblical context: Read the next verse: Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Spoken to us when? By whom? What prophets? John, Paul, Luke, Peter, and Matthew: ???????????????????????????????
@@loyal7790Paul's talking about the Old Testament prophets.
@@ureasmith3049 Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
He has spoken to us by Whom: "by His Son" Does not say prophets in this verse: Verse 1 is historical, but not verse 2: ?? 2Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Doing what? "Rightly dividing the word of truth"
It is amazing how much falsehood comes from EGW in comparison to the Word of God , and yet she captured the minds of many . I pray for all to see the true Jesus ! By his wounds are we healed , Amen
Absolutely and this actual doctrine of Ellen White denying the work of Christ on the cross is so very heretical. The bible states that those who deny the work of Messiah are anti-Christ; Adventism is anti-Christ:
1Jn 2:22 ESV Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
The purpose of the investigative judgement was to complete the atonement. But the Bible clearly teaches it was completed at the cross.
Yep, and the entire SDA religion crumbles if this one doctrine (regarding 1844/Sanctuary/Investigative Judgment) is removed.
@@TheAusJT yes I’m in a FB group where it was commented the other day that the IJ is the ‘central pillar’ of our faith! Wow. My comment was ‘I thought Jesus was the central pillar’.
Are there people still being born and in need of saving? Chronologically speaking, until he comes, the work of atonement isn't done because he didn't give it to all that he allowed to be, yet.
His work for you and I is ongoing and will be finished when He returns for His own, you and I. Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."
The final atonement doesn't take place until after Jesus returns. The blood covers sin, but that blood isn't done away with until the final atonement like the Bible shows in Lev.16:20-22. The sanctuary on earth is a replica of the heavenly sanctuary. The day of atonement is coming when the blood of Jesus that has covered our sins for so long will be wiped out. The Bible also shows the work of the scapegoat in Lev. 16:21-22. It's not a made up unbelief. Check out the Bible for yourself, this man isn't presenting truth, he takes statements out of context to make Adventists of which I am not one! Look stupid and unChristlike! Becareful of this man he isn't sharing the real truth.. look up those verses and read before and after them to get the real context, not the sorrid story he's painting.
🙏 Dear Lord! Change SDA hearts! Show them the truth! Show them that Ellen White lie to you.
Indeed. Ellen White is a false prophet and false teacher.
The cultivo doctrina belive word s of men no read the wor of God
WOW! Mark S really went on and on below. I'm glad one simple verse like Romans 10:13 gives us all the assurance we need. 🕊️
Going through your series again now that I've read Canright and studied the Burnt Over District. Blessings Jim 🙏
Romans 10:13 is a great citation and a citation that on its own refutes the Investigative Judgement. We can call on the name of the Lord and do not have to wait for Adventist fictional Jesus and 1844. Reading or researching the Burn Over District opens the door of understanding and sheds light on all the false religions that started in this time and from the same area.
Romans 10:11-13 ESV For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." (12) For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. (13) For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
@@AcademyApologia So a proactive murderer calls upon the name of the Lord and is saved and the murderer still goes on murdering. You people indeed make our Lord the minister of deliberate sin. Where is repentance and reformation????? Rom 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
@@loyal7790 You defective Adventist mind is shown. Who is making the argument that a murder who still goes on murdering has achieved salvation? Show me where this argument was made? You can now apologize...
@@loyal7790 If that's your question you have some serious issues. Do you think you're not a "proactive murderer" as you call it? Do you ignore the teachings of Jesus?
Matthew 5:21-22 KJV
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Go ahead, tell me you don't sin!
You asked a hypothetical question with an obvious answer. You may actually not understand if you were only educated in Adventism.
No, a person who does not truly believe in the full payment of sin being paid AND FORGIVEN on the Cross by God Himself will never enter Heaven.
A little tract called the Romans Road to Salvation led me to the local Body of the Church where I accepted Jesus Scripturally and was saved. Have I sinned since then? Yes, and I've confessed those sins and been cleansed of all unrighteousness. Even if I turn my back on God however He would never turn His on me. I'm saved and Jesus keeps the Covenant I'm in, not me.
Jim and I will help you how we can. There is a way out of the SDA mind set you are locked into.
Acts 2:21 KJV
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 🙏
Most Adventists I know are very ignorant about the truth of their profession.
Many are ignorant, but some are deceivers themselves!
True, most are ignorant, but some hear yet refuse to see.
I’m on if the ignorant ones. Finding out the full story now after knowing something is not right and praying for God to please lead me into all truth that is in Him.
Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." I believe most SDA believe when they say that they go exactly with the bible instead of studying it for themselves. They show such reverence to Ellen G. Whites' writings, placing them equal to the bible and intertwining it very deceptively that they become confused and can no longer detect her writings from the word of God, the bible. They used to make me feel like there was something I was not seeing or understanding right as though it was my fault, when it was them, the doctrine and teachings that did not line up with the bible.
I wonder why she didn't believe that Jesus blood wasn't good enough to for atonement of sins when she was former Methodist. Didn't they teach that his atoned for sins? It doesn't make sense. It seems like that knock on the head did more damage than we thought.
According to doctor many blows to the head can cause a lot damage to the brain. You see things that are not there, in fact you may have hallucinations. My mother certain did. She fell several times. This was about 15 years years ago. She was in her 80's. I think she bruised her face many times. She wanted to be in control. We had a ice storm in 2009, and their power was out and they were staying at my brother in laws. Well I lived practically next door so I went to visit. They were all talking in their normal. At the time my landlord was trying to get me evicted.
My dad hadn't slept good that night. I was trying to explain to her what the guy was doing. They were all talking in their normal voice , but everytime I would say anything she would want me to keep my voice down because she didn't want me to wake my dad up. This went on for about 10 minutes. Everyone was talking in their normal voice. Well I waited. This is to show how brain injury can effect a person. I started to say it again , well the same thing happened. 😊. I got frustrated and left. It seem as though she was another world.
I bet Ellen White was to. That is how she came up with all these visions. It is no telling what her mental state was. 😞.
Good point. You would think the Methodists taught her correctly about the atonement of Christ and I am sure they did. I am then confident Ellen White rejected all Christian learning and then with the help of her husband and others, created their own version of Jesus, which is completely false.
@@AcademyApologia right she just probably threw out what she had learned out the window after she met up with James White.
I Haven't been to Methodist worship service , but I have seen one. It seems they have a song for certain parts of the sermon while the preacher is talking about. Then after the song he continues with his message. It was the first time to see a worship conducted in that manner. 🤔
@@shellyblanchard5788 I recently finished a fantastic book called the "Burnt Over District" from 1950. This is the best book on the crazy and often in excess religious revivals which occurred in the early to mid-1800's, of which the Methodists were key players. Methodists even then were largely considered a fringe. Today the Methodists continue their downward trend. There is a Methodist chruch less than one mile from me which embraces all things modern (gender inclusiveness, gay marriage, etc). So, it is no surprise to me that Ellen White had no clear and solid biblical teachings.
Thank you, very enlightening
Thank you and this is topic is extremely important. Seventh-day Adventism denies the work of Christ on the cross. I came across this quote yesterday, which is astounding:
*"Our sins were not forgiven at the cross; we were not there." Our sins are forgiven today when we confess them by virtue of Christ's provision on the cross.
Christ's sacrifice was perfect for all, for all time. The sacrificial aspect of the "atonement" was provided once for all at the cross (Heb. 7:27; 9:28; 10:12). But, in the Old Testament sense, "atonement" is not complete until our heavenly Mediator has applied the merits of His blood on our behalf. As the priest's sprinkling of blood was necessary in the earthly sanctuary, so Christ's heavenly mediation by virtue of His shed blood is essential for our sins to be forgiven.”
“Christ’s Ministry of Forgiveness” Adult Sabbath School Lessons, July, Aug, Sept. 1996, p. 26
I know that this was 3 years ago but is so accurate the info thank you❤
Thank you for viewing and commenting. Yes, even though this was 3 years ago, this topic is of most importance and remains important. Adventism denies the atonement of Christ on the cross and because they deny this principle work of Christ, Adventism is anti-Christ:
1Jn 2:22 ESV Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
Please explain this Roman 6:14 on youtube.
I like it! It has just been added to my list of future videos and this is a great topic for it is foolishness to believe one can uphold the law and at the same time be under grace.
Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Brilliant!!! .....AGAIN!!👏👏👏👏👏
Thanks and now may Adventists see and realize why they are not Christian with heretical teachings such as this
I agree with everything you have said. I came here because of my own questions. How do we reconcile all the verses in the NT that speak about being judged by our works etc?
My understanding is that our ‘works’ is putting on Christ, His robes of righteousness which He achieved for me, and the fruits of the Holy Spirit that is evidence of Our belonging to Jesus - our love for one another.
It is good you are searching and questioning. Once we are Christians we ought to show evidence of your Christianity by the works we do. Now, there is the possibility that even as a Christian our works are not performed with proper intentions. If I as a Christian perform works because I seek attention or for some other ill motive, those works will "be burned" and I will not receive any reward. My salvation is not in question, but my rewards are none for doing works with the wrong motive. Only those works done out of true motive and to the glory of Christ are those that the Christian will receive rewards.
If you are an Adventist, you may have an incorrect view of Christ. Christ did not come to show you how to keep the Law, Christ came to be the Savior of the World and to die on the cross for your sins, which Ellen White denies. When we become Christians, we are indeed to exhibit a changed life, but you and I will not become sinless or perfect. We are God's creation and our linage is sin.
But back to works, yes we ought to do works that evidence our salvation, but if we perform those works for wrong motives we get no eternal reward and if we truly do works for the proper motives, then we will receive eternal rewards. This judgement you read in 1 Cor. 3 is called the Believers Judgement.
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1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (12) Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw- (13) each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. (14) * If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. (15) If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.*
John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
..sin is tge transgression of the law..punishable by death...when and to whom this definition of sin is applicable .is it applicable only to the old covenant people and not to the new..now if this definition of sin is applicable for both ....what commandments and laws of Christ in the new covenant wherein when we violated it becomes and be called as a sin punishable by death according to the scripture ?
Thank you for the utterly incoherent post which make not attempt to refute anything presented in this video.
Thank you for this video!
Absolutely and this video, at least to me, highlights why Adventists fare not Christian. They [Adventists} deny Christ's work on the cross and doing that is shows how unbiblical Adventists are in their teachings.
Do you have any idea what they were saying? I think not. Quoting out of context. 1Co_3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Perhaps you are right and if you provide the time stamp, I will review the quote and admit error or explain.
CAN U TELL US WHAT THEY WERE SSYING IN CONTEXT? DONT RUN U HYPOCRITE
Just because Jesus died on the cross does not mean that we do not think that He is not coming back to get His people after He has prepared a place for us. Why would they be anxious about Him coming again on October 22, 1883, 1884? They did back then and they do still now.
Your comment missed the point of the video and that point is that Jesus of the Seventh-day Adventist is NOT the Jesus of the bible. Adventism has a doctrine of a false Christ. One example, Ellen White, as did many, many others, taught Jesus did not die on the cross for a single sin:
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
So, do you agree with Ellen White in her denial of Christs work of dying for the sins of the world?
@@AcademyApologiaHow does this quote is saying that Jesus did not die for our sins? It literally starts establishing that. You cannot be taken seriously 🤦♀️
@@melissa6448 You are not reading with understanding. The bold text shows Christ did not die on the cross for a single sin and that sin stands on record in the sanctuary, not on the cross. The cross denying teaching of Adventism is not just from Ellen White but many others. The following below are just a sample of other cross denying Adventist like Ellen White:
The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
“But when does the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary, or the work of atonement, commence? At the close of the 2300 years, in 1844. *Then Christ, our high priest, passed into the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, to begin the work of atonement.*”
Corliss, J. O. Eld. “The Twenty-Three Hundred Days” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 26 February 1880. p. 130
*“The idea that the atonement for the sins of the world was completed on the day when Christ rose from the dead, is an error which is very prevalent in the orthodox world of today.* It is an error which is often made to do duty in supporting the Sunday Sabbath institution, on the ground that, as redemption is a great and glorious work, the day on which it was completed is especially worthy of our commemoration. For having held and publicly taught a different view, Seventh-day Adventists have been denounced in bitter terms, and accused of denying the atonement altogether.”
L.A.S. “The Atonement Not Completed” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 13 March 1888. p. 176
“To know what God requires of His people just now, we must realize the time in which we are living. When Christ as our high priest entered the most holy place in 1844 to finish His priestly work for us, that marked the beginning of the day of atonement. When the Israelites reached the day of atonement in type, they were told to " afflict " their souls.”
Carter, A. “The Use of Our Money” Advent Review and Sabbath Review Herald, 23 October 1924. p. 10
“In order to free us forever from the guilt of our sins, Jesus, our high priest, will inflict the death penalty upon Satan, the scapegoat, at the end of the thousand years. *Not only must Satan die for our sins* that have been confessed, forgiven, and blotted out, but he must die for his own sins also, of which he knew no repentance.”
“Lesson Notes” Youth’s Instructor. 31 August 1943, p. 7
@@AcademyApologia Believing that Jesus's work of atonement didn't end at the cross doesn't mean believing that he didn't die for our sins. Don’t you believe that Jesus is now in heaven interceding for sinners, meaning working for our redemption? Is it finished or not?
The sacrifice on the cross made redemption a certainty, but it will be completely fulfilled when humanity is brought together with God again in heaven. Again, all of this is possible because Jesus died for our sins.
@@melissa6448 You clearly did not read the quotes above and are willfully ignorant in the face of official Adventist teachings.
(2Th 2:11) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
(2Th 2:12) in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
They also claim that Jesus is the archangel Michael. They have not read Hebrews 1
Correct! And what they think they know about Hebrews is so wrong...
That chapter says nothing about Jesus not being the archangel Michael. It talks about the angels as those beings God created to serve on his throne and are therefore inferior to him. The term “archangel Michael” doesn’t necessarily refer to this type of creatures. It’s an Old Testament title that refers to Jesus, like the “angel of the Lord” in Genesis 16.
@@melissa6448Bible never refers to Jesus as Michael.
In Jude Michael had to call upon the Lord to rebuke Satan. Jesus rebuked Satan all by Himself when tempted by Satan.
Also there is no Hebrew word for angel. The word they used means messenger.
Who is that Smith? Is he the 1844 guy on the field?
Please clarify, your question is not specific.
@@AcademyApologia when you refer to this guy with the beard, Smith, who you say was one of the founders of sda, which period you refer to? Is he the one who saw the vision of the sanctuary or is it some other guy?
@@liepa7768 That would be Uriah Smith who was among the founders of the SDA chruch. He did not originate the Sanctuary teaching. The person who did was Hiram Edson. The vision of Hiram Edson was published in a news paper (Day Star) and was later presented to Ellen White. Then Ellen White had a vision which she said confirmed the vision or Hiram Edson's vision of the Sanctuary doctrine and that was the creation of this doctrine; two visions.
Jesus died on the cross because of our lawlessness!
Perhaps and if you are a Christian then you likely believe this. But if you are an Adventist (who are not Christian), then you prophet teaches something completely different:
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin;* it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
“The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
Are u the hooly spirit of jn16:13??
I expose false religion and defend True Christianity and expose the fale and non-Christian like Adventists: Jude 1:3 ESV Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write *appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.*
Adventism is works of darkness and Adventists need to know they are not in a Christian religion and the works of Adventism must be exposed:
Ephesians 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Amen! I could not understand these teachings even as a child being raised up in this church, because I read my bible, and it did not match. People in the church made me feel like a rebellious child because I did not agree and saw it a different way. I did eventually become rebellious against them but not against believing in Jesus as my savior and decided to leave this church in my later teens. They removed my name from their membership, and I was glad to be done with them. Ellen G. White was a false prophet. No doubt about it, but the whole church would fall apart if these doctrines were changed. They cannot change them. The foundation is built on Ellen G. White, 1844, and the investigative judgment. It is the center of their faith, not Jesus and his redeeming blood on the cross.
I don’t know what they taught you in your church but you can look up the official Adventist beliefs and you’ll find that it is not what this video is saying. There is no contradiction between the real investigative judgment doctrine and the Bible. They need to force lies into it in order to conclude that the Adventist church is antichrist but the fact that they need to do this proves the opposite
Even in the debate between Walter Martin and Dr Johnso the editor of the Adventist review, Dr Johnson also denied the atonment was complete at Calvary.
Yes, I remember watching this video. This, as yo know, is one of those areas where Adventists duck and dodge. Adventist know this is a significant dividing point and it is difficult for them to claim they are "Protestant" while at the same time denying the atonement of Christ. I recently came across this lengthy quote below, which again confirms that Adventists admit their view of the atonement is not the Christian view. Notice the torture then employ in this quote to force their atonement view into the larger Protestant view as though they are, in a macro sense, one and the same.
“Both Miller and Crosier strongly affirm that the atonement was not completed on the cross. Miller says, "Instead then of the atonement being made at the death and sufferings of Christ, it is made by his life and intercession in heaven." Crosier goes so far as to say that Christ "did not begin the work of making the atonement, whatever the nature of that work may be, till after his ascension, when by His own blood He entered His heavenly Sanctuary for us.
These views run counter to what for centuries the Christian church in general has been teaching on the atonement. To some evangelical Christians, views such as this are regarded as blasphemous, or at the very least, totally non-Christian. Because Seventh-day Adventists have insisted on an atonement now going on, and for certain other reasons as well, these evangelical Christians have not even been willing to classify Seventh-day Adventists as Christians. They have labeled them a cult.
Do Seventh-day Adventists actually believe that the atonement was not finished on the cross? This question can be answered by both a No and a Yes. It all depends on what definition is given to the word atonement. If atonement is defined as evangelical Christians define it, the answer is an emphatic No. Essentially the Adventist position on this aspect of the atonement agrees with that of the Christian world in general.". . .
“Here, then, was the reason they needed to be concerned about the atonement. They needed to discover what aspect of atonement began in 1844 on the basis of the fact that the antitypical day of atonement began on that date. Hence the reasoning presented in the Miller letter and in the Crosier article. The same thoughts are also expressed in Seventh-day Adventist publications. For example, The SDA Bible Commentary, commenting on Leviticus 4:12, says, "He [Christ] ministers on our behalf [in the heavenly sanctuary]. This phase of the ministry of Christ is as necessary to our salvation as was the ministry of the blood of the lamb at the time of the first Passover, and as with all offerings in which blood was shed.”
D. F. N. “Was the Atonement Finished on the Cross?” Adventist Review, 22 April 1976, p. 11
@@@AcademyApologia : I could not help but marvel with disgust at the serpentine logic employed to obscure what is essentially a significant violation of biblical principle.
Adventism has been a heterodox discipline from the onset and it's penchant for apostacy is woven into the very fabric of it's DNA.
If the bible is the greater light, why not accept what it plainly says about the atonment?
Thank you again for your hardwork at exposing the fraud which is Adventism.
@Ray Michaels Adventists are not being too literal. They are forcing the bible to suit their doctrines. Adventists need a Jesus as a Levitical priest as the Adventist Sanctuary sin forgiving services have been ongoing since 1844. Adventists have a Jesus as the Priests we see in Lev. 16. The Adventist Sanctuary Jesus did not die on the cross for sins and is forgiving sins in heaven as we speak. This false Jesus is always portrayed as Levitical priest in Adventist literature which is a clear reference to the Levitical priests.
The Adventists denial of Jesus death on the cross as the ONLY and FINAL atonement for mankind is most blasphemous and your are right the scapegoat Satan bearing all the sins of mankind is right up there in terms of heretical teachings.
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I wish I could like this video more than once👍
Me too!
Amen!
Well the atonement,the Lamb is part of judaism mentality and the way they work.
The blood of the Jesus sacrifice sealed a new covenant for open a new better way to received redemption of our sins.
In the Moses covenant for sealed it was necessary the blood of the sacrifice of animals.And the redemption was with inmolated animals.
Yes, the blood of Christ on the cross paid the debt of sin once and for all and at that moment, but not according to Adventists leaders such as Ellen White.
Well said!
Please brother in Christ show me one single church which does not have doctrinal error on the face of the earth after the year 100 A D till to day
The phrase "doctrinal error" is vague. There are churches who take communion once a week and other once a month. This is not doctrinal error. There are churches who baptize by immersion and there are those who baptize by immersion. This is not doctrinal error.
Doctrinal error resides in doctrines on issues of salvation, the nature of Christ, the nature of God and the bible as the sole source all matters of faith. There are plenty of churches with differences which are not significant and there are churches which do differ on matters of doctrine such as Adventists, Mormons, JWs, Catholics, etc.
Error is error, that's like calling sin a white sin or black sin, one is worse than the other! No all error is wrong. In communion, Jesus set the example, told us to do like wise, he didn't say how often, so it's not error to do it weekly or monthly in it even quarterly. If your going to follow example, that would be yearly at Passover! Read Mark 14: or Matt. 26:26-29. Baptism is another thing, we are told to immerse a person in water, it is symbolic of dying and being researched a new creature. Read Matt. 3:13-17 That's a fact and not changeable. Read the Bible, it will tell you what and how to follow, and live a Christian life. Don't let man confuse you, pray and read for yourself, God will give you the answers your searching for. Be Leary of humans claiming they know your wrongs and are quick to point them out, listen, take note, but search for yourself, you just might find a whole different meaning! Just saying..
SIR ADVENTISM MAIN PILLAR IS THE HOAX 1844 INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT ITS A CULT
..brother...to whom this 1 John 2:1 was address...do you agree and conform that Christ is your advocate and your propitiator ...what does the scripture says ...ye sin not ..but if ye sin we have Christ our advocate and our propitiator ...the word sin here am so certain is the transgression of the law according to scriptures definition...question ...in this definition of sin ...what law and commandments of Christ in the new covenant wherein when we violated ..it becomes and be called a sin according to the scripture..?
This video is another misrepresentation, misinformation or deliberate disinformation. As we used to be told as kids, if you cannot say something positive about someone it is better to not say anything at all. Cherry picking and taking scripture/quotes out of context is deliberate misleading. 0:03
Thank you and this is your acknowledgement that complaint #452 has been received.
A comment upon biblical matters that is absent biblical citations is simply a mundane complaint. Thank you for complaining. A complaint shows a complete inability to refute the contents of the video.
If the devil as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour, should a person sit still and not alert others? I do not think it is a matter of only saying nice or polite things instead of speaking the truth. I have always noticed when SDA members cannot use a verse from the bible to defend their view that they always accuse other people of taking things out of context or cherry-picking verses.
UR NAME SUMS UP UR INDOCTRINATED BRAIN 🧠
True
....@5:30 there is a partial quote, that is manipulated to your view from PP. - quote with more- The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; - ... put back in context
so you don't believe in the Final Day of Atonement After the thousand years and the final cleansing of all sin in the world's History
Did you not see what you just cited? You proved and reinforced that the atonement occurs in the false Investigative Judgement, not on the cross (John 19:30). The full Ellen White quote proves the intent of this video; Adventists have a heretical view of the atonement of Christ and do not believe it occurred on the Cross.
@@AcademyApologia ... do you believe the world will be cleansed by fire? Rev 20:9 and 2Thes 2:8
@@mlindahl This is not the topic of this video. The topic of this video is the defective and heretical Adventist belief in the atonement of Christ.
@@AcademyApologia so by your avoidance,
you don't believe the Atonement Of Christ has anything to do with the eradication of all sin in the world.. saints and sinners alike
@@AcademyApologia PP.
The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin offering removed the sin from the penitent, but it rested in the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement. {PP 357.5}
In the great day of final award, the dead are to be "judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Revelation 20:12.
The word "atonement" only appears 1 time in the entire New Testament. Once! And that is in the KJV only. In all other versions the word is translated "reconciliation". Reconciliation is the proper translation. It is true, the truly repentant sinner is reconciled to God through Christ and Christ alone. Jesus made this possible by standing in our stead. Our sin was transferred to Jesus at His death, as long as we believe, ask for forgiveness and repent. We know that it is only Jesus that can save us. However, the issue here is not that Adventism is wrong, it is that you misunderstand the means by which God saves. Trust in Jesus, yes. This is the Adventist's hope. However, Adventists understand the difference between reconciliation and the Atonement.
In order to understand the atonement, we have to look to the Old Testament, because that is where it is explained. Lets look at a few definitions from Naves as to What atonement can be made for, according to Naves Topical Bible:
Atonement (Nave's Topical Bible)
• Miscellany of minor sub-topics
- For tabernacle and furniture
Lev 16:15-20; Lev 16:33
- In consecration of the Levites
Num 8:21
- For those defiled by the dead
Num 6:11
- Made for houses
Lev 14:53
- By meat offerings
Lev 5:11-13
- By jewels
Num 31:50
- By money
Exod 30:12-16; Lev 5:15-16; 2Kgs 12:16
- By incense
Num 16:46-50
*_Please note that atonement has an entirely different complexion than what most Christians think that it means. Atonement does not have to be related directly to sacrifice for the people._*
The next category we have is the atonement as it applies only to Salvation. Please note that these references in the Old Testament are the only way we have of knowing what atonement is when it comes to our Salvation. These are Types or Shadows of the True. In this case, the entire sanctuary service was a pattern or "copy" of the actual sanctuary service in heaven. The following are the only references we have of the Atonement as it is applied to people:
• Day of:
- Time of
Exod 30:10; Lev 23:27; Lev 25:9; Num 29:7
- How observed
Exod 30:10; Lev 16:2-34; Lev 23:27-32; Num 29:7-11; Acts 27:9; Heb 5:3; Heb 9:7; Heb 9:19; Heb 9:22
These references tell us that the atonement is an ANNUAL event. *_It is very important to note that throughout the year, individuals presented their individual sin offerings, but these events were NOT considered to be the atonement._*
The Atonement is a shadow of things to come, as were all of the ceremonial aspects of the Old Covenant. It is a method for us to understand type/Anti-type. The atonement represents is a type of an end of the world anti-type.
You made a severe mischaracterization of the atonement at the outset of your harangue. Not once did you quote a verse that had the term "atonement" in it. You basically led the viewer to accept a misapplication of the term through an improper definition that you assigned to it, making it appear one and the same with your definition. I believe this was an accident, but nevertheless, it shows that you should be limiting yourself in terms of what you teach. I am sorry to say this, but you teach error.
How you can call Adventists the things you have and made such terrible accusations is also clearly in error. You should firstly ask the Lord for wisdom to see your error, and forgiveness for making false accusations against a group of Gods very own people.
Ok but I have a few questions that you can answer…
1) why do adventists put so much emphasis on Saturday church? The New Testament is clear in saying if a person gives you a hard time about when you worship he’s not correct
2) why do you believe a woman who says certain animals and races of humans are an amalgamation? Why do you support a woman who believed that you can’t marry outside your race?
3) where in the Bible does it say that the door closed in 1844 and God is judging us? What about everyone after 1844? If you guys are so correct what about everyone thousands of years ago who didn’t know your teachings? Why would God wait thousands of years to pick a singular denomination as the right one thereby eliminating everyone before as being eligible to go to heaven?
Thanks for your good ways of understanding. Adventist doctrine are not based on tradition, but based on the word of God.Yes,they identified the errors of the things they believe. During Millerites movement people believe Jesus coming. When Jesus did not come they did not stop reading the Bible saying Bible is wrong. They continue to study and found the Biblical interpretation of 2300days prophecy, which lead to investigative judgement. People say failure is the stepping stone to success, failure is the best teacher. Failure can be best teacher when you don't repeat the same again, if you do so you have not learnt. Dark ages were a failure to Christianity and Adventist have found way out in the light of the Bible. Sadly many call themselves Christian and fall not Christ but church tradition.Living in the darkness they have no idea or experience of light. Adventist messages is for the last days and as prophecy mentioned there will be many who will speak against the Truth.
@@shahnazsimon1928
Firstly, I don't think you understand the full import of my original post. But ok, here we go...
"2) why do you believe a woman who says certain animals and races of humans are an amalgamation? Why do you support a woman who believed that you can’t marry outside your race? "
_Ellen White never said any of this. You are believing what anti-Adventists say, and many of them either carelessly misquote her, or are misinformed. You are misinformed_
"3) "where in the Bible does it say that the door closed in 1844 and God is judging us? What about everyone after 1844? If you guys are so correct what about everyone thousands of years ago who didn’t know your teachings? Why would God wait thousands of years to pick a singular denomination as the right one thereby eliminating everyone before as being eligible to go to heaven?"
_You are mixing up the "Shut door" with The Investigative Judgement. "The Shut Door" was Mrs White referring to a certain group in her time that abandoned the Christian faith after the Great Disappointment._
_1844 is a date, based on Daniel 7, 8 mostly. "2300 days and the sanctuary will be cleansed". Days=Years in Bible Prophecy. The Adventist movement was not a denomination at the time this prophecy was discovered. The group that stayed together was from several denominations, Baptist, Methodist, and so on. I know don't what you mean by "thousands of years ago" who didn't know "your teachings"?_
_A simple answer might be this:_
_But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased._ (Dan 12:4, KJV)
_The truth of that prophecy, though spoken of by Daniel, would not be opened until the time of the end._ We are, at the time of the end, and the only Church that understands Bible Prophecy correctly, is the Adventist Church._
_Does that sound arrogant? Why? The principle that God only reveals His secret to His Prophets and to those who "keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus" is found throughout the Bible._
_"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."_ (Amos 3:7, KJV)
_and pay particularly close attention to this verse:_
_"Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: _*_the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD."_* (Lam 2:9, KJV)
_Those who do not obey God - who do not keep His commandments - DO NOT have the gift of prophecy._
_This is the reason why other Churches walk in error. Of course some are saved, but even they do not have the whole truth because they, unwittingly, unknowingly, break God's commandments. On things such as kindness, and holiness, many Sunday keepers are following God as best they can, and yes they will be saved. However, the last days is a completely different test. Light is being poured out from Heaven, and it is calling Sunday Churches to "...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Rev 18:4, KJV)_
_Note that he says "My people". These are those people who call themselves His people. Christians._
_That verse is talking about the last days, as it is found within that context. Note that there are 3 angels, crying in the midst of Heaven, telling people to worship God (Rev Ch 14). This is a call by angels, who are messengers, telling the Sunday Churches to come out of her my people. There is only ONE church doing that today._
_Finally, you ask why we keep "Saturday". Well, first of all, we call it the 7th Day. Saturday is the Sabbath, and you will note that it is a very controversial subject, and will become more so as the time of the end gets closer. Note how even you are embroiled in this debate. That is because it is a central question on the issue of worship (Again from Ch 14 of Rev)_
_You say that we should not "give you a hard time about worship", and you are taking a verse out of context, most likely because a false shepherd told you that it meant something it did not mean. Perhaps this one:_
_"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Col __2:16__, KJV)_
However, it goes on to clarify what it means in Verse 17 -
_"Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col __2:17__, KJV)_
_"A shadow of things to come means types of the true, or ceremonial law. Sabbath days associated with the feast days were a "shadow" or a "type" of Jesus ministry and sacrifice.
You should not listen to gossip about the Seventh Day Adventist people. You should go to the source to see what they say. But that would take effort. Most people would just rather let someone else do the work for them. Is that you? Why let someone else settle your beliefs for you?
@@truthneeded1211 Bible study to arrive at the doctrine of the Investigative Judgemetn. That is an opinion not based on fact. The fact is that the day after the false prophecy of William Miller and before the dew dried on the silly ascension robes, Hiram Edson laid out the Investigative Judgemetn doctrine:
*“Hiram Edson of Port Gibson, N.Y. , told me that the day after the passing of the time in 1844, as he was praying behind the shocks of corn in the field; the Spirit of God came upon him* in such a powerful manner that he was almost smitten to the earth and with it came and impression. “The sanctuary to be cleansed is in heaven.” He communicated this thought to O. R. L. Croiser, and they together carefully investigated the subject.
Loughborough, J.N. Rise and Progress of Seventh-day Adventists. Michigan D.C.: General Conference Association of the Seventh-day Adventists. 1892, p. 114
This vision was then confirmed by a vision by Ellen White:
*“The Lord shew me in vision, more than one year ago, that Brother Crosier had the true light, on the cleansing of the Sanctuary,* and that it was his will, that Brother C. should write out the view which he gave us in the Day-Star, Extra, February 7, 1846. I feel fully authorized by the Lord, to recommend that Extra, to every saint.”
White, Ellen. A Word to the Little Flock. Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 1847/2018, p. 7
There you go, the Investigative Judgemetn is the result of two visions, not bible study.
Thats an amen from me. This video is anither misrepresentatio, misinformation or deliberate disinformation.
Hebrews chapter 9 clearly shows the investigative judgment is completely invented. Specifically verses 24-28. Nowhere in mainstream Christianity is this teaching found outside of adventism. Galatians 1:8-9... though we or an angel from heaven should preach another gospel...let them be accursed...and verse 9 shows his point was so important, he repeated it
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Indeed and Your comment which shows Hebrews 9:24-25 stands as a monument refuting Adventism and its heretical Investigative Judgement
People that are grounded in the Word won't be delivered . Believe the Bible only.
I meant won't be deceived .
I agree, we ought to believe in the bible and the bible alone. But Seventh-day Adventists do not believe in the bible and the bible alone. They have beliefs not found in the bible, such as Sunday Keepers will at some point in time receive the Mark of the Beast.
"Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?"~ Ps 77:13
So you're just going to totally discard the plan of salvation, as it reads in the Bible, hugh? Was the sacrifice of our Lord, on the Cross, symbolized by the presentation of the sacrificial lambs brought to the alter of sacrifice, by the repentant sinners of Israel? And was the Day of Atonement done every day/every time a lamb or dove or whatever was sacrificed? Doesn't Hebrews not say, that earthly sanctuary was a symbol of the heavenly?
Maybe you should work harder on proving what God is telling you, than failing to prove beliefs that you're ignorant of as false. Christ said you'll find Him, when you seek for Him with all of your heart. You're searching for Satan & in doing so, you're following him & finding him.
Thank yoiu for the comment, but it does nothing to disprove the content of this video. You must own the words of your prophet:
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin;* it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
SDA Jesus did not die on the cross for sins.....
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (4) *For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed,* or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
in all humility ... just paying attention to the language of Romans, Galatians, Hebrews ..makes it pretty plain and obliterates Adventist Doctrine.. Ellen and inspired Apostles can’t both right ..
@Ray Michaels not sure you're really aware of what you believe, which seems to be manifest by your name-calling & the lack of Scripture. At this time, sir, any biblical message, given for the intention of leading folks to Christ, is not meant for you. The toxic mix you mentioned, is a wine that you have drunken & are drunk with, Mr. Michaels.
No more Scripture from me, to you. Follow your leader, to where he leads & i will follow mine to where He leads. Later.
@Ray Michaels Okay then.
@Ray Michaels Please Mr. Michaels. No...okay, I concede. Please, lead me out of darkness. That's what my Leader calls for me to do. So, since He's leading me further into darkness, PLEASE bring me to the light, sir. Do you even try to lead people to Christ, or are you one of those angry "christians" that go around justifying their own sinful desires...none being, following after Christ? Was trying to hold back anger, then trying to hold back laughter, now trying to hold back tears. This is what what Peter says about your selective usage of Paul's letters..."As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."~ 2 Peter 3:15 It's says so much, that you don't even know now to defend your own faith, as we're called to do...maybe cuz you really don't know WHAT you believe. You seem to enjoy calling people names, more than finding out anything about them...or even reading their words for yourself. Have at it, bruh. God tells us to worship Him in spirit & in truth, but you're doing neither.
My brethren in Christ, we all know that Jesus sacrificed his life for our sins. My question to you is this, can we still sin today? Jesus did not end sin, but to an obedient soul that keep his Royal Law and his words, sin will not be present in the heart or life. This is what Mrs White statement was explaining. I never knew Mr Uriah Smith before hearing of him in your video. As a proud Seventh Day Adventist, I know that Mr Smith is not a founding father of the Church, and you know this, but still seek to imply that. That's deception. You have our books that speaks clearly to our foundational beliefs, which are all biblically derived. The true gospel is being preach throughout all the world, dispite your willful falsehoods against God's remnant people, so that the truth that we preach and live will be a witness unto all nations and then the coming of our Lord and savior Jesus Matt 24:14. I want to recommend the book Steps to Christ, you can listen to it in audio on TH-cam and see if the gospel message of Jesus is not clearly portrayed. I challenge you today to read or listen.
Again, you lack the courage to directly address the facts presented in this video.
@Michael Heathman I always believed that the bible defined SIN and not man.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Yes I am a sinner at the foot of the cross thanking God for his blood which offers GRACE, so that I can have a second chance to live righteously. SIN is not defined by what you FEEL OR SAY, but only as GOD defines.
You are disgusted by the truth of God's words being spoken. Let the bible be your guide and show me from the bible where our understanding of the scriptures is False.
The author of these videos, is not speaking truth of the SDAs, and I will continue to challenge him and call him out concerning his lies.
This is that man that teaches you to disobey God's commandments (Royal Law or Ten Commandments) and the bible shares that;
Ecc_12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
The bible also says that if any tells you not to keep any one of his commandments is a liar;
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know THAT WE KNOW HIM, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him.
I am saying to you with boldness that the author of these videos, is a LIAR according to the scriptures and the truth is NOT IN HIM. The scriptures is telling you this, believe the scriptures.
@@whitnolcunningham7553 SDA'S break the 6 the commandment . They support abortion and actually practice it too . The SDA hospital in Loma Linda CA perform abortions for any reason . In Jeremiah 1:5 God said I knew you when I formed you in the womb and sanctified thee . God created those babies and SDA doctors and nurses murder them for money .
@@whitnolcunningham7553 I am curious as to how your "second chance to live righteously" is going? You are effectively saying that Christ died to only to give you a second chance of not sinning, which actually means that you are ultimately trusting in yourself to present your soul worthy before God. You might not see it that way but that's what it boils down to. 1 John 1:8 says "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." and verse 10 says " If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." Please consider carefully this question.
..becos Christ paid our sins ..what you are saying all your past ..present and future sins were totally and completely forgiven...what a dangerous and unscriptural teachings of a dangerous and unsensable preacher....the very example is tge life of an adulterous woman about to be stoned to death ...but what happen to her bcoz of Christ grace is so abundant ..she was forgiven and says...go and sin no more...the word sin no more is a clear indication how binding the law of God..and it is so conditional ..two things will happen to this adulterous woman...if she obey and sin no more it brings blessings ...but if she disobey and keeps on sinning ...it will brings cursings condemnations even unto death ..