Hello sir. I am an adventist, but it came to the point that I started questioning a lot of Ellen's teachings that I cannot find in the bible. I really have a lot of questions to many of the teachings, currently. Please surface all the things of concern especially coming from Ellen White as I am studying it closely if it really accords with the bible. Thank you and God bless!
Read the book of Galatians from start to finish. Preferably the NLT version. Compare what Paul is saying there to Ellen's teaching. Then ask yourself who's trust worthy and who's correct. They can't both be, you have to choose. Paul or Ellen. I chose Paul.
@@redcolt777 never did I have my attention to ellen's writings. But my concern started to take place when pastors and ministers of the church were quoting her writings to explain and interpret the bible, which is kinda absurd to see
@@redcolt777 so it's really a big help when someone presents evidences of error in ellen's writing. As those writings require a lot of time to look back in the past
They are hundreds of evidence of her heretics , testimonies for the church pg 164 she says if you don’t believe her words it’s like you insulting the Holy Ghost
@@mrken1720 hi Ken, you are not alone as there are a number of X sda people here, I’m one of them, as you can see there are another 45 videos in this series and there is good information, I also found videos on CAnswers on YT particularly the 4 with Wallace Slatery, there is Former Adventist Fellowship as well and Test The Prophet. My problem with egw started when I was 6, I asked the sda church school teacher who Ellen White was his reaction was to start shaking with rage and yelling something incomprehensible and let’s just say I wasn’t very popular next sabbath at church and it just went down hill from there. Praying the The Holy Spirit will lead you into All Truth as promised in John 16:13.
Hello Jim. Lot’s of respect for you. I too am a “never was one” SDA, but have brother in law and his large family who are. The more I research, the more burdened I become because I don’t know if salvation for them is “active”? They are in a system that does not promote salvation I conclude. I would be interested in your perspective on the biblical lunar calendar as it relates to when actually the sabbath took place for the Jews. It clearly was not every 7 days as they claim. Also, a problem for them is the Samoan International date line adjustment that took place in December 2011. The distinction between Adventists and Christians there has largely been erased as they both worship on the same day! This problem for them might make it more effective in witnessing to Adventists in these island communities. High five Jim. See you on the other side my friend!
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I have not studied the Jewish lunar calendar very much, but you are right and the Jewish calendar month started afresh at each new moo, which is as you cited a re-set of the weekly sequence. Then there is the problem that the Egyptian calendar was either an 8 or 10 day calendar. This completely throws off the 7 day eternal Sabbath. Yes, I am aware of the huge problem caused by the date line and this will be the subject of a future video. I suggest focusing on the topics of the person of Christ and the Gospel. Adventists love to talk about the Sabbath an will defend it until you get sick. But, they are not used to hearing and hence reading in their own literature, that Christ did not die on the cross for a single sin and that they 3 Angels Gospel is a gospel the bible twice curses and nowhere found in the bible. These are two huge and easy to prove topics. For your consideration. I get it. The more I research and learn, I became fully convinced the SDA doctrine is Satanic. Their denial of Christs work on the cross is Satanic. Keep learning and continue to reach your brother in law as long as he will permit....
Those “two huge and easy to prove topics” are very helpful to me. Thank you eternally!! The Gospel and who Jesus is. The Bible has the plain things as the main things and the main things are the plain things. Their gospel is so complex. So, if they will listen, it is my responsibility to instigate conversation in these matters isn’t it? If I neglect them, they could be lost. I believe I’m the only one questioning their beliefs as they are isolated within their own community or system as you well know. Next week I will be watching my young niece become baptized into their wayward gospel system. This grieves my heart! I apologize for taking up your time Jim! No response necessary. I need prayer…Jesus is everything
@@davidrose4946 I am sorry to read of your niece going into indoctrination/baptism. Perhaps you will at some point have the opportunity to share the true Christ with her and that she can then see the difference. I will pray for you. Yes, you ought to open conversations and when you can share the true Christ and true gospel with these Adventists. But if they ask you to stop, then respect their wishes. But, keep talking to them until they renounce Adventism or ask you to quit.
My wife and I have been listening to your Defeating Adventism series for over a year. I just wanted to say that what you’re is inspiring. Your knowledge of Adventism is impressive, especially considering that you were not raised in it. We are both former Adventist’s ourselves who left 20 years ago. Even after all this time, listening to you as well as others such as Nikki and Colleen from the Former Adventist Podcast helps us to continue to deprogram from the cultic Adventist worldview. Thank you for doing this series! (And as for this particular video, great catch with Nehemiah 9:13-14! I don’t remember ever seeing that verse before.)
Thank you for stopping by and thank you for letting me know you are out there. This channel exists for several reasons and you are specifically one of the target audiences. I know from decades of personal dealings with a variety of cults and non-Christian groups that it can take years to flush out out the non-Christian indoctrination. I too listen to Nikki and Colleen and enjoy their podcasts very much. I learned this from who I call my silent partner (a former Adventist that must remain quiet and in the background due to the threats of violence he and his family endure from Adventists once they departed the church). It was he who brought this to my attentions and it is he who deserves the credit. Thank you. again
@@AcademyApologia One more thing I wanted to mention was that several months ago, my wife and I started looking up and highlighting all passages in the Clear Word "Bible" that diverged from Christianity in order to support Adventism. If you want to know what Adventism really believes about almost anything, then look no further. Adventists betray their true beliefs time and again within this single book. It is really astounding how many additions to, and subtractions from, Scripture are made to support their own heretical beliefs. For example, their manipulated version of Hebrews 10:12 says that Christ "went to sit down again at the right hand of God because his work on earth was done". The "because his work on earth was done" addition clearly was intended to support their Investigative Judgment doctrine that Christ's work was completed on earth but not in Heaven. To my knowledge, I'm not aware of anyone doing a comprehensive dive into the Clear Word. Maybe I'll do a series on it myself if I ever start my own channel or website. But for now, I thought I'd mention it as something to consider if you are ever looking for more Adventist material to mine.
@@robh2255 Yes, do and expose of the Clear Word. This needs to be done and it appears you have already dome much work. I for one would be most interested in seeing this presentation.
That means that you have not fortified your mind with the truths of the Bible, otherwise you would not be deceived. Get a good study Bible and compare the commentaries in the study Bible with AA.
@@loyal7790 Thank you for being just one of dozens of whinny and complaining Adventists who cannot craft a comment refuting any facts in the presented video.
Thank You Sir. I was not born into SDA - but I did question quite a few of their teachings - That was a Big mistake. I have been shunned as a result and the victim of a "witch hunt" - of which the Pastor - by the name of Mark Farrell of SDA Central Church here in San Francisco - ruled this "witch hunt" (my words not his) was "well intended". (his words not mine) and he now claims he did not have any knowledge of it - beforehand OR during the execution of. I do sincerely want to Thank You as you are correcting false doctrines and you Sir are leading ME MORE CLOSELY to the truth contained in The Bible. When I first came into that church my mother had just died and I was a complete "trainwreck". At that time I was not a Bible Scholar - but now I am learning. I just lost an old SDA friend today as a matter of fact - by showing him scripture - in an attempt to bring him to God's truth. He dismissed me and said that is only "my interpretation of scripture - stating that my views were that of "The Catholic Church". When I asked him to expand of that - he said "I don't have time." So I said goodbye and that was that. I am hoping and praying that God in heaven will lead me and keep me as I am now suffering. THANK YOU FOR BIBLE TRUTH. I will continue to watch and learn. JAMES here in San Francisco.
I think my sda mother would have preferred me to turn catholic rather than Pentecostal 🤣 on the surface sda seems christian but the further you dig the more distant it becomes from Biblical truths. My problem with egw started when I was 6 in the sda church school the teacher was Ellen White said this… Ellen White said that… I asked “who is Ellen White” and he started shaking with rage and yelling something incomprehensible, I got ripped into by my mother after school and that was just a taste of what came on the next sabbath ! They don’t like free thinking and they don’t like The Bible being quoted to back The Bible.
@@davidblowe9096 " think my sda mother would have preferred me to turn catholic rather than Pentecosta" No so much big diffrence, catholcis have same charismatic movement and doing copelately the same think like your stream.
@@davidblowe9096 Catholic Charismatic Movement - Speaking in Pentecostal version of tonques, doing pentecostal verions of healings, having "word of knowlege, prophecies" E V E R Y T H I N G COPIED pentecostalism Puted to Catholciism since years 60 in 20 ceuntry. Ofcourse this fact make me rejecting charismatic theology, there is now milions of milions catholic charismatics.
If the Sabbath is eternal (and salvific according to Ellen White), why wouldn't Paul have instructed it extensively (or even once) to the Gentiles? Why set them, and Christians, up for failure? Honest question.
Honest question. But, you're missing key parts that must be considered. Part 1. Obedience to God (by faith) is salvific. See Romans 8:1-4, John 14:15. I believe the Bible is clear about the principle of obedience by faith. Part 2. Did Paul observe the Sabbath? I believe that he did (see Acts 17:2-3 and compare it with Luke 4:16). If Paul did not observe the Sabbath, obvious questions arise that must be answered. For example, why would God change Saul to Paul to preach/teach an alternative to the Sabbath or no Sabbath at all - when God Himself created the Sabbath? Part 3. The Gentile question is always interesting. Read Acts 13:42-44. During the time of the New Testament, the only "Bible" that was available to them was the Old Testament. The disciples, Paul, teachers of the law, Gentiles, etc. only had the Old Testament available to them. Therefore, if you're preaching and teaching Jesus Christ (as Paul and others did) and having baptisms of thousands of people, what other piece of info. are you sharing with them regarding living as a believer/accepting salvation other than the Old Testament? None. Part 4. The notion that Paul is setting anyone up for failure is a false notion. See part 1. Paul, as a preacher/teacher, taught salvation by faith - not salvation by works. This is very clear in scripture. Additionally, any blame toward Paul is really God's fault - He's the one who converted Saul to Paul. Right? Part 5. If anything, it would be necessary for Paul to instruct the Gentiles to observe Sunday instead of Sabbath. The Sabbath was known in this time as every Jew observed the Sabbath and the Gentiles knew that Jews observed the Sabbath (see point 3). Again, in the NT times, if you were a follower of the One True God, you observed the Sabbath (along with the other commands). What Paul did for the Gentiles is preach/teach against salvation by works (Acts 15:1-2, 5). People who reject the Sabbath always misuse Acts 15. Its plain as day that circumcision is the issue. Is being circumcised one of the ten commandments? No. But circumcision is one of the customs of the Jews. They made this custom salvific-not God. Paul had a problem with this and called this a yoke (verse 10), the Gentiles were preached the gospel (verse 7), and a final decision was made (verses 19-22). This Sabbath command is never in question here. Circumcision is the topic. That's basic reading comprehension. Gentile believers of God obeyed the Sabbath just as the Jews did. In all of the NT, the question of whether or not one should observe the Sabbath doesn't exist. In those times, again, they only had the OT as their Bible b/c the NT wasn't written like we have it today. Any conclusion that the Sabbath was done away with or abolished, etc. in the NT is flat out a misinterpretation of scripture. Simple and plain.
Right and Paul and other Apostles never taught Sabbath keeping. But then again, Adventists will read into the Scriptures (eisegesis) words and meaning that does not exist, such as the Apostle Paul being a Sabbath Keeper. They do not realize the Scripture never states Paul Kept the Sabbath, but went to Synagogue to preach Christ, not to worship.
@@frazierwoods9912 Adventists who claim that the Apostle Paul went to Jewish Synagogues to worship show their ignorance of the Bible and first-Century Jewish Synagogue practices and purposes. Flawed reasoning is employed by Adventists who equate visiting a Synagogue with engaging in Jewish synagogue worship. The Apostle Paul did not visit Synagogues to engage in worship, he visited synagogues to preach the Gospel to unbelieving Jews (Acts 13:23; 26; 38). The Adventist *cannot* show from scriptures that Apostle Paul went to Synagogue to worship, the Scriptures do show the Apostle Paul went to Synagogue to *preach Christ and Him Crucified.* The first account of the Apostle Paul visiting a synagogue is Acts 13. First century Jewish Synagogues had an order of Sabbath service strictly related to the Law and the Prophets which did not include worship of the Messiah Jesus since their leaders (Pharisees and Sadducees) just crucified Christ. My source is “The Life and Epistles of St. Paul” by Rev. W.J. Conybear and Rev. J.S. Howson (1869). I assume this source is without question since Ellen White copied profusely from the 1852 edition of this book 91 separate times to use in her book “The Spirit of Prophecy of Prophecy-Vol. 3” (“The White Lie” by Walter Rea-pages 331-352). I cite pages 176 and 177 of Conybear and Howson below. First century Jewish synagogue worship separated men and women, read from the book [singular] of the law and the prophets which was stored in the Ark which was situated nearest Jerusalem. The Law was read in Hebrew and the prophets were also read which was followed by the Targum. This was then followed by allowing strangers and visitors to address the synagogue and Sabbath service concluded with an address by the “Reader” telling of the sufferings of this chosen people. This is the order of service we see cited Acts 13:15. The Apostle went to the synagogue (Acts 13:14) and according to the order of Jewish Sabbath service, was presented the opportunity to address the audience (Acts 13:15). Paul addresses the Jews and proclaims Jesus as the Savior (Acts 13:23;26) because he knows their leaders reject the Messiah (Acts 13:27), but he preaches forgiveness of sins through Jesus which is freedom from the law of Moses (Acts 13:38-39). The Apostle is not engaged in worship, but is engaged in evangelism because the gospel was to go to the Jew first and then the Gentiles (Romans 1:16; 2:9). The Apostle Paul is preaching freedom from the law of Moses (Acts 13:39) and forgiveness of sins through Christ (Acts 13:38). To say Paul is engaged in Jewish worship which is a rejection of the Messiah is to engage in an abuse of the Holy Scriptures.
@@AcademyApologia 1. Nothing in my comment says that Paul went to the synagogue to worship. Smh. What Sabbath objectors don't understand is that God is to be worshipped everyday - the Sabbath is a day to observe...its a day of rest. Smh. 2. Paul said, "follow me as I follow Christ." What relevance does this have if Paul did not observe Sabbath? None. 3. I agree, Paul taught/preached Christ (the gospel). I said as much already in part 4. 4. Lastly, your being literal regarding scripture has its place. But its also a hinderance to your ability to reason w/out a "literal text." You don't choose to or you don't practice basic rules of Bible interpretation. You don't read contextually. Take care and have a good day.
Jesus was born under law, circumcised on the eight day of life, and observed all Hebrew festivals, new moons, and sabbath. He also purposely broke sabbaton to teach jews something greater than the temple was in their midst. Jesus is not a model. Jesus is a king and a redeemer. New covenant believers don’t and can’t observe an ancient and abrogated Hebrew ritual law which was a weekly feast day. New covenant believers aren’t Jews. No one is a Jew. The entire Jewish system was obliterated at Calvary. It’s non existent.
If we were supposed to observe the sabbath, why would say come to him for rest? Because Jesus takes place of the day. Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets, and the shadow of that covenant. 🙄
Please forgive me for this. I am a lifelong SDA with serious questions (the Sabbath being at the heart of them). With regards to the Sabbath, how do we interpret Matthew 5:17 and Colossians 2:16 among other verses? While I currently question my own beliefs, my views of the Sabbath are vested in my understanding of the observance of the sanctity of the seventh day of the week. I still don’t yet fully understand the concept of resting in Jesus. At this time I am questioning so much of what I spent my life believing but can’t wrap my mind around how we can be under grace and not under the law. I have heard you argue otherwise, but view the existence of law being necessary for the emergence of grace. I know that it is a very Adventist and thoroughly indoctrinated view. While I understand the fact that God’s Law must be written in our hearts, I struggle to see how that differs from so much of I what I spent my life believing. Maybe it’s because we use so much of the same terminology that we convince ourselves of our similarities of belief and worship when they may be completely different after all.
Thanks for stopping by and being willing to be a good Berean (Acts 17:10-15) and test all things by the Scripture. Let's take your questions one at a time. You cited Matthew 5:17,but with no additional comment. i am going to assume the standard SDA assumption when I see this verse and that is "Jesus did not come to destroy the Law and this proves the continued existence of the law." Is that right? I have a "ready to go" reply to this common SDA bible citation. here i what I will do. I will past that reply below,but keep in mind, this is not directed at you personally, this is a "ready to go comment" when SDA cite Matthew 5:17. I always want the SDA to know they have misquoted Jesus as some SDA care if they misquote Christ and virtually all so because they have been taught or let me say, incorrectly taught what Jesus actually said in Matthew 5. So read this comment below, which will explain Matthew and again remember this is not directed at you, this is a ready to go comment for Matthew 5:17, but what it does do is teach this passage accurately. After reading this comment, you will have an accurate understanding of Matthew 5:17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you realize you just misquoted Jesus and completely distorted His words? Read the whole verse and accurately quote what Jesus said *He did not come to destroy.* Notice Jesus said he was not going to destroy -“the Law or the Prophets.” You just focus on the _Law_ and ignore _the Prophets._ However, Jesus said he was not coming to destroy two things: The Law and The Prophets. The phrase “Law and Prophets” is a reference to the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). There are 9 references to “The Law and Prophets” in the New Testament [below] and every time it is a reference to the entire Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). Your only quote the “Law” and ignore “The Prophets” and in doing so, you misquote Jesus. For example, Jesus as the coming Messiah was foretold in the Hebrew Scriptures (Law and Prophets). There is an account of Phillip who describes his discovery of Jesus and realizes Jesus is the Messiah spoken of in the “Law and the Prophets” or the Hebrew Scriptures: John 1:45 ESV “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, *"We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote,* [Hebrew Scriptures] Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." Jesus said he did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures (The Law and the Prophets). He did not separate the Law from the Prophets, that is what you just did in you misquote of Christ. Are you so comfortable misquoting Jesus? You should not and you need to cease misquoting my Savior immediately. //////////////////// *REFERENCES* //////////////////// Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish *the Law or the Prophets;* I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Matthew 7:12 "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is *the Law and the Prophets.”* Matthew 11:13 “For all *the Prophets and the Law* prophesied until John” Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments depend all *the Law and the Prophets."* Luke 16:16 *"The Law and the Prophets* were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.” John 1:45 “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found him of whom Moses in *the Law and also the prophets* wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." Acts 13:15 “After the reading from *the Law and the Prophets,* the rulers of the synagogue sent a message to them, saying, "Brothers, if you have any word of encouragement for the people, say it." Acts 28:23 “When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from *the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.”* Romans 3:21 “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although *the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it”* END-------------------------
@@VuyoWakaba Good and do you now see that Jesus no where said he did not come to "Destroy the Law", but He did say that "He did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures?" We can continue discussing this one or move to another if you wish
@@AcademyApologia I also notice how Paul frequently attended the synagogue on Sabbaths to reach out to Jews as Acts 17:1-4 states. Acts 13:43 speaks of gentiles attendining the synagogue on Sabbaths as Jewish converts while Matthew 5:17 speaks to Christ’s fulfilment of the Law as his completion of the Law through His death and resurrection. References to Christ’s observance of the Sabbath as found in Matthew 12, Mark 2:23-28, and Luke 6:1-5 are related to the fact that He came to Earth during the Old Testament and was subject to the same laws as a Jew. Paul states in Romans 10:4 that righteousness does not come from keeping the law while Galatians 5:18 reminds us that we must be led by the Holy Spirit and not rely on the law for our salvation. Unfortunately I have found several texts that make Adventist doctrine questionable and how we sometimes interpret the Bible is in violation of Proverbs 3:5-7. We rely so much on EG White and the views of our clergy that we ignore Isiah 1:18 that encourages us to reason with the Lord. It is very sad that our thinking capacities are limited by quotes from Ellen White. A book I am reading at present is Seventh Day Adventist Renounced by DM Canright. I have found it exceptionally interesting and regret not reading it sooner. Truth will always stand up to examination and if false will whither under scrutiny. We need to be more open to testing our worldviews as salvation is at stake.
@@VuyoWakaba Truth will always stand up to examination - Amen to this, I was like you after hearing uncomfortable things about Adventism, I decided to research into all the sources on Adventism and while still an Adventist read DM Canrights book among other ones as well as doing the challenge of not reading the Bible through the lenses of EGW. I found it so fascinating how Adventism twists not only the Biblical gospel, but also twists the words of others who have come out of it. Good luck with your searching - but know once you see the true light of the gospel, its impossible to go back.
Technically Adventists make God a violator of their law. Because we live on a globe the Sabbath actually lasts 48 hours not 24 hours. The period of time the first little Polynesian Adventists opens Sabbath, to the time when another little Polynesian Adventist closes Sabbath on an island on the other side of the date line is 48 hours. Therefore If God wants to "keep Sabbath" with all of Earth's Adventists he needs to rest from his labours for two days and in doing so he violates the first part of the 4th commandment "6 days shall you labour ". But of course logic and facts play no part in Adventism....
redcolt777 You wrote, “Because we live on a globe the Sabbath actually lasts 48 hours not 24 hours.” Jesus says, something different than redcolt777 “9 Jesus answered, Are there not *twelve hours* in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the *light* of this world. John 11:9 10 But if a man walk in *the night,* he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:10 *How does Genesis 1:5 describe the day?* “Evening and morning” The Bible says that the Seventh day is the Sabbath. So according to your logic there is two seventh days in a week totaling 48 hours. *Really?* *What Bible text do you give for the International Date Line?* “But of course logic and facts play no part in Adventism....” Unless you can prove from the Bible that God created the International Date Line in the creation of the week (7 days ) on a round world then just maybe *your logic isn’t really the truth.*
@@JD-zg4kg erm.... you do realise that the sun rises and sets at different times depending where you are on the planet? Or are you one of those SDA flat earthers?
@@redcolt777 You wrote, "erm.... you do realise that the sun rises and sets at different times depending where you are on the planet?" Sir, I was in the United States Navy stationed on the Flight Deck of an Aircraft Carrier, I have friends that have been around the world five times. Do you think that I don't know "that the sun rises and sets at different times depending where you are on the planet?" Evidently, you are avoiding what I asked you. You wrote, “Because we live on a globe the Sabbath actually lasts *48* hours *not 24* hours.” So I will ask you again. *How does Genesis 1:5 describe the day?* The Bible says that the Seventh day is the Sabbath. So according to your logic there is *two seventh days in a week totaling 48 hours.* *Really?* *What Bible text do you give for the International Date Line?* “But of course logic and facts play no part in Adventism....” Unless you can prove from the Bible that God created the International Date Line in the creation of *the week (7 days )* on a round world then just maybe *your logic isn’t really the truth.* You Wrote, "Or are you one of those SDA flat earthers?" *Is that what the Official Position of SDA Church teaches, "flat" earth?* *Really?*
@@JD-zg4kg I am currently in West Australia. We are approximately 8 hours ahead of London UK. Therefore if I were to open the Sabbath sunset Friday in Perth, hop on a plane and close Sabbath in London Sunset Saturday, my Sabbath would have been a duration of 32 hours. I don't need to use the Bible to establish that. However as the Sabbath was given exclusively to Israel for use in geographical Israel, then the Sabbath was confined in those circumstances to a 24 hour period. If you want the Sabbath to apply to all people in all geographical locations then the Sabbath lasts for 48 hours. And by the way, I'm not your student and I don't have to answer your stupid questions or engage in your eisegetic 'bible studies' leaping all over the bible here a little there a little. You're a halfwit... you have to be a halfwit to be SDA. it goes with the territory. It's a requirement to be completely ignorant of biblical, church, and world history and apparently geography.
Wow! Love this channel! As I am sure you know this already but they also say that the Sabbath will be continuing in Heaven! And they base this on Isaiah 66: 22-23 but they fail to continue reading which in verse 24 which starts with "AND" “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” - So will we also be looking at dead bodies in Heaven?! Of course not! One MAJOR problem with this is this: Revelation 21: 23 and Rev. 22: 5 both say that there is no more moon, sun or night! And since the sabbath began at sundown my question to ALL SDA's is this: Since there is no more moon, sun or night - when exactly will we be keeping the sabbath in Heaven? We won't be! Another false teaching!
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. There is a saying: 'If all you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail." All Adventism has is the Sabbath and therefore they see Sabbath keeping everywhere, even as you highlighted (Rev. 21:23) in the most silly of places where there will be *no sun or moon.*
@@AcademyApologia Great to have found you! I found you on Former Adventists Australia watching Billy Crone. Like yourself I have thousands of hours researching all the occults, cults etc and mine too started about 20 years ago! I too have mainly focused on SDA's - they are by far the slyest in their wickedness! I can tell by watching just a few of your videos you are a man after the truth and a love for the lost, very rare these days! Would you please do me a favor, and pray for my wife and our 5 children, who unfortunately are in Adventism. I married my wife nearly 20 years ago not knowing anything about SDA's at the time, but this is what started my journey on researching. And like you, I want to have an answer for anyone who approaches me with falsehood. As with most (not all) SDA's remind me of the teachers of the law of Jesus's time, stiff necked and hard hearted, no desire for the truth. I want my wife and children to have a hunger and thirst for truth, so please pray for that, I am grateful for you!
You said *_the word sabbath does not occur in the entire book of genesis_* Answer: Whats interesting is the fact that the very word for "He rested" is "shabath" matter of fact the word seventh day always means sabbath where do I get this interpretation from lets read exodus 20:11 " For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it". Notice how it uses the word sabbath for seventhday interchangeably its because the seventh day sanctification by default is the sabbath that is why sanctification of the seventh day means sanctification of sabbath and the term sanctified in genesis 2:2-3 means to set apart for a apointed holy time.The words "He hallowed" can have no meaning otherwise.They could be a blank unless required to keep it holy. you said_*Does the seventh day adventist god need rest*_ Answer: That is pure eisegesis it shows you my friend havent read the bible in its context or did not allow the bible to interpret itself regarding the word rest lets read isaiah 14:3 "And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve". Here the word rest in its context means to cease from work that is why you find sabbath keepers going to churches and worshipping god by ceasing work and not just merely sleep throughout the sabbath day You said_*Here is a sabbath command which says don't leave your house*_ Answer: My brother in christ if we were to accept this interpolation of the text we should conclude that Jesus christ based on your logic is a sinenr for in luke 4:16 we read "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read". Didnt jesus leave his house to attend church?You overlook the fact that this command in exo 16:29 applied only to gathering manna. "Let no man go out of his place on the seventh day" must be linked with God's words in verse 25: "Today is a sabbath unto the Lord: today ye shall not find it in the field." When some did go out to gather on the seventh day, God met them with a rebuke for breaking His law (verses 27, 28). You said_*The sabbath does not apply in general to gentiles though there were some occasions*_ Answer: That means you haven't read the holy bible in its entirety my brother in christ for we read in isaiah 56:4-7 4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. it says God will give a everlasting name to all people who keep the sabbath if this isn't enough the final nail in the coffin is in mark 2:27 which reads: "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath". did it say the sabbath was made for the jews?Why read into the text the words jew?Why tapdance over this text to mean what it does not mean? even god calls himself the god of israel in isaiah 45 does that mean he wasnt the god of the entire world and kingdoms existing at that time?please think before you saying anything else my friend
@@johnseventhday9145 John....don't waste your time. Seriously. Its not worth it. ***The presenter won't listen. He refuses to reason with scripture.*** I've given this same info. to him and it went ignored by him and his followers of this channel. Do. Not. Waste. Your. Time. You've done enough already.
@@ineedrest7 No i still think he is a sincere christian he believes in the trinity and has a zeal for god maybe he thinks we are trolls but I can't blame him many cults like the jw and other conspiracy theorists just troll everything they see lets just hope the presenter who is our brother in christ understands our intent and the plain biblical truth and thank you for your advice may god bless you and your family.
@@johnseventhday9145 No problem. I don't know you, but I hear your heart in this comment. I respect that. I was just sharing my experience and suggestion. Prayerfully, the seed will fall on good ground with you. Blessings to you and your family as well.
Farewell..... This channel isn't for those who question the presenter...if you object to the presentation you'll be ignored... Isaiah 8:20...John 16:13...1 Peter 5:8...2 Tim. 3:16-17....Romans 8:1-4...Rev. 14:12....Rev. 12:17...Isa. 58:13-14...
Mr. Woods, we wish you would fulfill your broken promises. Hosea 2:11 New King James Version 11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, Her feast days, Her New Moons, Her Sabbaths- All her appointed feasts.
Read the whole book of Hebrews in context, the rest that God gives us is sooooo not a day, but something so much more. No human law (no Sunday law) can take away that what God gives us. His rest we enter by faith and no law and no life circumstances can take that away! How superficial is the Adventist understanding of that rest! It is actually really sad how they ignore the Bible in context! Sticking to just proof texts as they do, one can easily defend almost anything and claim it’s biblical.
Your point is well taken and any Adventist who has the courage to break away from Ellen White books and just read the bible alone and let it speak, will soon come to realize Adventism teaches error.
It is the dishonesty from Adventism that causes 50% of their members to ultimately leave the Adventist Church. Sadly, it's mostly only after years and sometimes decades of wasting their lives in a cult, that not only misrepresented the teachings of the Catholic Church but all of Christianity. The followers of the Adventist movement put their trust in the SDA, that they were telling the truth, only to find out they were being lied to. Many times, it leads to a sad disillusionment from which is never recovered. I can't imagine how angry God is with the Adventist Church over their desire money and members and dishonest gain. Let every person who reads this examine their hearts and do the right thing.
@@polycarpsmith1419 You have addressed one of the big problems. The average SDA believes their organization has been honest with them, but when they find out they have been lied to, they became angry and distrust all religion, even the truth.
@@polycarpsmith1419 Unless they, the Adventist reject the fake Jesus of Adventism and come to the true Christ of the bible, they have a bleak eternity: Matthew 7:21-23 ESV "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (23) And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
You just cited a perfect example. If Ellen White's only function is to point people to the bible, then where in the bible do we find a future "Sunday Law that will result in Sunday keepers hunting down and killing Sabbath keepers?" You and I will wait until the end of time for an Adventist to provide a bible verse that substantiates the Sunday Law. I can find the Sunday Law in the Great Controversy, but it is absent from the bible and this one teaching alone proves that Adventists have beliefs NOT found in the bible and Sola Scriptura in Adventism is a farce.
Just I see a lot of talk and video's floating about with this Sunday law and the pope is going to announce it 🙄 This is somewhat of the topic but what do you think about the bible been founded on astrology, i mean most things correlate with each other. Just be good to hear other Christians opinion.
@@tomhall2346 The one reason Adventist loudly proclaim the future Sunday law is simply because it is in the future. We have a record of Ellen Whit prophecies and they are a record of utter failure. Because the Sunday Law is a future event, there is not "proof" yet of its failure as the other Ellen White prophecies. The Sunday Law scare has resulted in a lot of conspiracy theory Adventists always looking for the next news article. There are lots of theories on how the bible was supposedly founded, but there is not evidence. The bible message and foundation is Jesus and this starts in Genesis 3:15. The bibles foundation and common theme is Jesus Christ and what he did. Jesus came to the world as the only pure/sinless sacrifice for sin and died on the cross for all who believe Him as Savoir and He was raised from the dead, defeating death. That is the message and foundation of the Bible.
Sunday law is a nosnense - for them to egxist for adventism govement can't only fordbid going to shop at sunday but must do literally sabbath observance from the law of moses in all prescriptions for entire country at Sounday instead of Satruday. By same this fact people should leave advnetism after realising that, becasue it prove absurdity of myth in what they are in sabatarian advnetistism.
Gen 2:1-2 the word sabbath does not appear in these verses it just states that GOD had finished HIS creation or ceased creating, verse 3 states that GOD blessed and sanctified the 7th day because he had finished - ceased - i.e. rested from HIS creation. The word sabbath does not appear until Ex 16:23, there is no reference to Adam, Seth, Enoch , Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Joseph "keeping" the or a 7th day sabbath. At Ex 16:23 Moses is passing an instruction to the Hebrew people, verse 26 Moses is telling the people that GOD has provided two day's worth of food for you - so there is no need to go out looking for more. We don't find sabbath being a command until Ex 20:8 and it is a command to the Hebrew people. There is NO reference to Adam or anyone else "keeping the sabbath" until Ex 16:23 and then it is an instruction to the Hebrew people. If SDA's are so serious about "keeping" the sabbath why don't they enforce Ex 31:14 and 15 ? that is a sabbath command.
David, Google Common Objections for Not Keeping Sabbath - there you're see the following answer and many others... The word 'Sabbath' does not appear in Genesis 2:2-3, therefore, God did not make the Sabbath on the 7th day of creation." Answer: Actually, the word Sabbath does appear in this verse. The word "rested" in Genesis 2, verses 2 and 3, is Hebrew word #7673, "shabath", which is the root word for "Sabbath." Shabath means "to cease or rest", and it is from this that the Sabbath gets its meaning as "a day of rest." To paraphrase the account in Genesis 2:2-3, "God sabbathed on the seventh day from all His work, and God blessed it and sanctified it." The Hebrew language is clear and unambiguous in its intent. The sabbath day is a holy day, for God has sanctified it. He has separated and distinguished it from the rest of the days of the week There are many different Hebrew words for the word "rested", but "shabath" is used often in reference to the sabbath (Genesis 2:2-3; 8:22-"cease", Exodus 5:5; 16:30, 23:12; 31:17; 34:21, Leviticus 23:32-"celebrate"; 25:2-"keep"; 26:34-35, II Chronicles 36:21-"sabbath"). For example, the Hebrew word "shabath" is in Exodus 16:30, when the people sabbathed on the seventh day. Verse 29 mentions the sabbath specifically. Also, Exodus 31:17 explains that the sabbath was made at creation, and even quotes from Genesis 2:2! In addition, the word "shabath" is actually translated as "sabbath" in II Chronicles 36:21! God chose to cease from His labor, not because He was tired (Isaiah 40:28), but because He wanted to set an example for all mankind. The seventh day sabbath is as ancient as the earth!
@@frazierwoods9912 you say Ex 31:17 explains the sabbath was made at creation. No it does not! It partly says what Genesis 2:2 says. "... for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He reated and was refreshed". But verse 17 of chapter 31 is MORE than that in its entirety. V17a speaks of the sabbath being a sign between the ISRAELITES and God.....this is absent from Gen 2:2 Dude, even the "refreshed" is absent from Gen 2:2 Still, Gen 2:2 fails to provide evidence that God commanded the sabbath, hence the reason why Adam and Eve aren't recorded observing the sabbath.
@@LoCoWi I did not say that Ex. 31:17 "explains" the Sabbath was made at creation. Do go back and re-read this comment. Smh. Since you acknowledge that the Sabbath is a sign, where did the Sabbath first begin? In Genesis!! Look at the Hebrew for rested - its right there in front of you - do your own research. You're looking for your questions to be recorded but you're avoiding what you can discover if/when you study. Again, do your own research. Everything I've told you is in the Bible if you look for it.
@@ineedrest7 Exodus 16 is where the Sabbath is FIRST commanded. Exodus 16 is where the Sabbath is FIRST observed. Show me scripture from Genesis any human obeying a "sabbath" commandment from God.
@@LoCoWi Smh. ***You're looking for a command when you should be looking for an establishment.*** Read Exod. 16:23-26. Question: Why can't they gather on the Sabbath? Answer: Because the Sabbath is holy. Question: Where did Moses get that from? How does Moses know that the Sabbath is a holy day? Answer: Genesis 2 - when the Sabbath was established by God. ***It (the Sabbath) was established first, then later, it was commanded. The Bible is clear.***
We have historical records of the time after John wrote Revelation. The early Christians were not working 6 days and "keeping" the 7th until the Catholic Church "changed" it. One of those records is Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the magnesians. (Ignatius of Antioch most likely knew John personally). They were meeting together on the first day of the week since the day Christ's tomb was empty, and they called it "The Lord's Day". The same wording John used in Revelation. Yet many people presented with historical fact, will actually decide to believe a woman who said she would be among the living 144,000 when Christ returns. She got history and the future wrong.
You are absolutely correct and the letters of this Apostle to the Apostle John by Ignatius alone refute Adventism. But in the late 1880's a manuscript of the Didache was discovered which is a record of 1st century Christian practices and worship was on Sunday.
There is no scripture in the Bible that says "The Sabbath is eternal"Ellen White is famous for adding to the Bible "Keep the sabbath holy "this command was not repeated in the New Testament and it is not a requirement for Christians to observe Holy days Thanks for this video
Thanks for stopping by and you are right. There is perhaps no other Adventist argument for the Sabbath that is easier to refute than there "The Sabbath was created in Genesis 2" It is impossible to have a "Sabbath" origin in Genesis when the Hebrew word for Sabbath is absent in this entire book? This the Adventist non-Sabbath; Sabbath.
@@AcademyApologia You wrote, "There is perhaps no other Adventist argument for the Sabbath that is easier to refute than there "The Sabbath was created in Genesis 2" It is impossible to have a "Sabbath" origin in Genesis when the Hebrew word for Sabbath is absent in this entire book? This the Adventist non-Sabbath; Sabbath." שבת שבת What is the difference between these two? One is the verb and the other a noun. *So tell us AcademyApologia is the verb ever translated in English Bibles as "Sabbath?"* “σαββατισμός sabbatismos, is a noun.” “The verb form of the word is σαββατίζω sabbatizo” Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament “σαββατισμός (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath) Joseph Thayer, Thayer’s GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the New Testament In Genesis 2:2, 3 God "Sabbathed" *Is the word "Jesus" in Genesis 1 & 2, is it impossible to have Jesus in Genesis 1 & 2 when the Hebrew word for Jesus isn't in Genesis 1 & 2?* How foolish that would be to think that, right? Its obvious that Jesus is found in other Bible texts to prove that Jesus was there. As I said, God "Sabbathed" [ verb שבת ] on the seventh day and sanctified it that Adam and the human race would keep it holy in honour of the Creator.
@@JD-zg4kg How about we stick to the English speaking bible the King James Bible that God gave us in English. The sabbath was given to Israel, a Jewish nation, which we are not. Never was the sabbath given before Moses, just as the King James bible has stated. God speaks to us in English for the English speaking people. We don't add to God's word, that is not there. So by adding your supposed Greek translation doesn't give it a right answer.
@@JD-zg4kg This is simple, you cannot have a Sabbath when the Hebrew word for Sabbath as used in Exodus 20:8 does not exist in Genesis. You misuse and abuse the Hebrew to suit your false doctrines when the Hebrew in Genesis 2:2 is defined as: cease, deist and rest. Adventism relies on the use of "rest" and refuses to acknowledge "cease" and deist" are also accurate translations. The Hebrew Sabbath in Exodus 20:8 is not found in the book of Genesis. You can continue to search for verbs, I search of the actual word Sabbath and it is not in Genesis. Your idol is the Sabbath and it is not supported by Scripture: Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.”
@@amazonwarrior5584 You wrote, "How about we stick to the English speaking bible the King James Bible that God gave us in English. The sabbath was given to Israel, a Jewish nation, which we are not." *Who is the New Covenant given to?*
Ellen White is likely on fire for Jesus. She now knows the one true Jesus and not the one she helped create. She may be in a room with Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, Mary Baker Eddy, James White, J.N. Andrews, etc.
This question made my day 😂. She probably has the special place in eternal lake of fire. Which is very sad, because for Jesus each person is loved very much and he's in pain seeing even one of us dying.
@@liepa7768 i often say of the Seventh-day Adventist "They are gong to hell with bibles in their hands." This fact alone ought to persuade Christians to evangelize the SDA.
SDA: "if you don't keep the 4th commandment (Sabbath ), you are bound for hell". SDA: " if you trass under foot the 6th commandment by killing the unborn, you are truly saved anď a real SDA member". This cult fit the same category as a Walt Disney character
First of all you egregiously misrepresented the sda position we never said that those who do not keep the sabbath are bound to hell.All we say is that it be difficult for arrogant people like yourself who do not even accept they are commiting a sin and instead justify it like muhammad did thats where you fall from grace does that mean all sunday keepers will go to hell ofcourse not most sunday keepers will be in heaven than sabbath keepers I as a sda attest to this but when the mandatory sunday law comes and if you still keep sunday then you be bound to hell
@@johnseventhday9145 Is it worth it to debate anything with an ill informed and uneducated SDA cult member who don't know his own denomination publications?
@@johnseventhday9145 sounds to me like your pushing the Ellen White train with all that information, that is ONLY from her false interpretations. The bible says none of that. Ellen White is NOT the bible !!
@@amazonwarrior5584 I peronally believe that this person/ JD and F Woods are one and the same Specially if you look at when the profiles was created Anyway, he don't debate nobody, just make a statement and then run off
@@amazonwarrior5584 You said *_The bible says none of that_* Answer: So you believe that we as christians did not receive grace from the penalty of not keeping the law through Jesus christ?
Could you do a video diving into exposing the clear word Bible which is officially published by review and herald even to this day, and how many churches and Adventist use that as their main Bible and sermons and reading? It actually has hundreds if not thousands of verses that have added commentary to different verses. For example in revelation when it talks about Michael the archangel fighting the dragon, the clear word Bible actually says “And God’s Son, Michael the Archangel, fought against the Dragon” 😳😳
Yes, this would be a good video as we know this so called bible is an abomination. I have a running list of future videos and just added this to my list. Next, I will start collect the significant errors of this fake bible. I could probably create many, many videos on this heretical bible, which they removed the word "bible" from its title in later printings!!!!
This would be a really good and important undertaking! I still have my clear word Bible from back when I was an Adventist. It’s full of error and heresy.😬
@@angelahollandlmftfreethera8604 The R&H changed the name from "C;ear Word Bible" to "Clear Word" due to the backlash. Since I was never an Adventist, I have no insight on the use of the Clear Word. I know what this book says says of itself; "a paraphrase." However, I have talked to many Formers who said "Right", this "bible" was used from the pulpits in churches they attended and used extensively in Sabbath School classes. So, while Adventists like to say "it is a paraphrase, not a bible", actual usage paints a different picture. Please share how this bible was used in your chruch and life as an Adventist and how it was viewed by the Adventist population.
They take it out context where it says man was not made for the sabbath, but it was made for man. Jesus always talked in this way. Jesus is telling us we are not made for the sabbath of the old covenant. Our sabbath rest was fulfilled in Christ in the new covenant by him. We now know how Jesus explained it. Jesus didn't go into full details. That is why he said man was not made for the sabbath, but it was made for man. That is why he said come him for rest. It very hard for people understand that. Most people that I grew up didn't rest, because they were afraid that they weren't going to make heaven if they weren't good enough. 🤔. They didn't read probably we justfied by faith in Christ. 🤔
@@rayray4192 Amen and you are right the word Sabbatismos is very unique and I have been thinking of a video on this word, which of course would refute the SDA weak response to Sabbatismos.
@@AcademyApologia is make it a priority Jim. Very unique situation when a word appears only one time in scripture. It’s amazing that Adventists looking through stone glasses can’t see that the weekly Hebrew ritual feast day was a type of the coming spirit rest coming in the new covenant. It seems so obvious. I mean, come on! The Bible is rich with type and pictures of a future rest found in a personal relationship with Jesus. I am the bread is life. I am the living water. I am the light of the world. Come to me all who are weary and heavy laden with burdens. Amazing how the stone glasses hide the truth from Adventists and sad they miss out on the Sabbatismos rest. Yes, do a video please. A juxtaposition of Sabbatismos rest and the rest from labor once a week. Thanks for the work you put in and jumping out of perfectly good airplanes to defend freedom.
YEA. As I recall - not only did we "go out of our place" and "go to the SDA Church - but as I recall we also washed dishes and cleaned up after our "Pot Luck" meal and THAT was before I studied scripture & became more Biblically Literate. Oh Yes - and I do recall when I read "The Great Controversy" I remember thinking to myself - This is some real strange stuff. The whole thing about the 1844 thing when Jesus entered into this compartment to "finish His atoning work" AND also ' The Sabbath is the Seal of God." You know as Biblically illiterate as I was back then - I do remember recalling - this is some strange stuff. Then when I came to reading all the WARNINGS IN Paul's Epistles about teaching a Gospel different than what we have heard Or from "another angel" - Oh yeah - here it is - I just looked it up Galatians 1 : 8 - 9 = you know what - NOW IT ALL SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. As I see it - & I could be wrong - but people who are in that church are pretty much Biblically illiterate or are just there as it is a social club. You either grow as a Christian or stay in the same place out of some traditional or some other reason. BUT they sure do bash The Catholics though -- don't they. I am still in the process of doing my personal Post Mortem.
Your personal account of Adventism is something I hear all the time and that is even as a person is in Adventism and faithful, their inner being is telling them something is wrong. It is that Adventist that I hope to reach by showing them what Adventism teaches and in their own books. You are right, the average Adventist has been told what to believe and is not encouraged to test Adventist teachings by the bible. This mode breeds Adventist completely ignorant of the bible as you rightly noted. The gospel is indeed seriously important and the Adventist gosple is no where found in the bible and as you cited, to proclaim a different gosple is to be twice cursed (Gal. 1:6-9). Leaving Adventism is a process which takes time, but you are on the right track and this comment has shown me that you are making the right connections between the truths of the bible and the false doctrines of Adventism. Keep progressing my friend and that means keep reading your bible.
@@AcademyApologia OK and thank you but now I have been hit with this one from Acts 2 : 17. They are claiming this this shows us that there will be prophets who dream dreams and see visions. Could you please elaborate on this one with History and Context & if possible to whom does this apply?? THANK YOU WITH GREAT APPRECIATION.
@@buzzclark Go watch my latest video on this very verse: th-cam.com/video/qB9cnmPs654/w-d-xo.html You will see that Acts 2 is a fulfillment of Joel 2. Joel 2 was a prophecy given to the Jew and for the Jew,not gentile. Acts 2:16 is Peter saying what you see here in Acts 2 is that which was prophesied by Joel. Meaning, 120 Jews, were filled with the Spirit, speaking in languages they did not know, but were known to the Jews listing to them and they were speaking the mighty works of God. Joel 2 was given to the Jews and it was fulfilled as given and by Jews and in the 1stcentury. Go watch this video and you will see that anyone making the claim that Acts 2 is their justification for a prophet is abusing the Word of God.
Jesus and His disciples walked through the grain field on the Sabbath and harvested the grain and ate the grain. Jesus, Himself and His disciples were out of their place, walked, harvested, and ate. Demonstrating that needs can be taken care of on the Sabbath:
Thanks again for another great video! I have never heard the Nehemiah verse before, I wonder how they weasel out of that one, lol! You mentioned isogesis and exegesis. As a former Adventist, I never heard either one of those words ever until I left that religion. Another word I never heard in Adventism was the word hermeneutic. Wonder why...Ha ha 🤣
A religion which relies on the vision of a person, is not a religion which relies on the bible. The concept or rightly understanding the bible through hermenutics is something the Adventist church admits it did very little of in their first 100 years. An Adventist applying hermenutics to Adventist doctrine will by definition become an ex-Adventist or one who is comfortable in deception: “As the name suggests, Bible conferences are conferences devoted exclusively to the study of the Bible and related topics. The 1974 conference theme was Biblical hermeneutics. Hermeneutics is a term derived from the Greek and means the science of interpretation. When seeking the meaning of Scripture, the student must follow proper rules of interpretation, else he will misunderstand God's revelation. One of the principal reasons there are differences of opinion as to the Bible's meaning is that students of the Word bring to the Bible different rules of interpretation. It is highly important that Adventists, who have a unique message to preach to the world, proclaim it convincingly, using arguments that cannot be assailed. Such arguments derive from a proper application of true principles of hermeneutics. The 1974 Bible conference theme, therefore, was highly relevant. *This is the first time in the church's history that the church has undertaken to systematize principles of Bible interpretation on a wide scale.”* Hyde, Gordon. “Church Holds Historic Bible Conference” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 15 August 1974, p. 4
@@AcademyApologia interesting! Thank you for your thoughtful response! I personally feel there’s no hope for the Adventist movement except to throw the whole thing out start from scratch in an Orthodox manner. Which will leave them as regular evangelical Christians (which they don’t want to be).
@@angelahollandlmftfreethera8604 I got a laugh out of the above quote. Really? how do Adventists seriously apply biblical hermenutics to their doctrines which "were written in stone by the finger of Ellen White" 100 years before?. Adventists can say "Hermenutics" and we believe in "Sola Scriptura" but the fact remains they do not believe in the bible alone and hermenutics is just a word they use to sound respectable. Hermenutics and Sola Scriptura are just a show in Adventism.
@Angela Holland, LMFT-Free Therapy Can you answer this for me? The presenter hasn't answered it yet... **Since God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?**
@@frazierwoods9912 You are not worthy of consideration an answer. You can show us all where the Sabbath command was given to Adam and Eve. You have been asked this over and over and you ignore this question because you know it is not in the bible. Stop being a coward and man up. Either admit the absence of a command for Adam an Eve to observe the Sabbath or put me to shame and show me in the book of Genesis where they were commanded to Sabbath.
Don't know what I think about Ellen White but I do know 2 things. 1) I don't trust any church. 2) God's seal is in his Sabbath. Do you not believe in the 10 commandments? We are to obey and remember his Sabbath like the 4th commandment says!
Interesting comment. First you state not to trust any chruch, but if you are an Adventist, then your comment denies the fact that for decades the SDA church has claimed to be *the Remnant* church.* “After a rich development in the Old Testament, it passes over to the New and comes down to Seventh-day Adventists laden with meaning as we think of ourselves as *"the remnant."* “The Nature and Mission of the Church” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald. 30 November 1995, p. 11 Then you state the seal of God is the Sabbath, but you forgot to use the bible. Here is your big chance to redeem yourself. Show me where in the bible Christians, I say again Christians, are sealed by the Sabbath. I can show you where in the bible Christians are sealed and it is not the Sabbath, it is the Holy Spirit: Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed *in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,* Then you ask if I believe in the 10 commandments but your question is vague. The 10 commandments are recorded in Exodus and Deuteronomy and given to the Jew are present for all to read. But if you ask if I follow the Old Testament Law, then I reply that I choose not to be under a curse for following the Law: Galatians 3:10 *For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse;* for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." You can choose to live under and in obedience to the “obsolete” Old Testament law (Heb. 8:13), but in doing so you are under a “curse” (Gal 3:10-11). I choose not to live under the "ministry of death carved in letters of stone" (II Cor. 3:7) as you so proudly declare. Enjoy the curse of choosing to live under the ministry of death while following an obsolete covenant. ---------------------------------------REFERENCES--------------------------------------- Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end
@@AcademyApologia Would you be interested in reading the proper interpretation of 2 Cor. 3:7, Gal. 3:10-11, Heb. 8:13? Would you be interested in reading how the 10 Commandments are not for the Jews only (for example, Exod. 20:8-11 specifically mentions strangers - these are non-Jews). ***Your conclusion that the Holy Spirit is the seal of God is contradictory as the Holy Spirit will not lead anyone to disobey God's law.*** So, by your own words here, your conclusion is that the Sabbath is not a law anymore/law for Christians. This too is error. All that you've said here is easily debunked through proper reading and interpretation of the Bible/these verses. If you're willing to listen that is...
Text = Holy Spirit is the seal of God. Application = Holy Spirit leads us to faithful obedience to God Application = The Sabbath command (like the others) are to be obeyed by all through faith in Jesus (Romans 8:1-4)
Tammy Goodman Christians are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption and we cannot become unsealed unless we renouce our faith in Christ -Eph 1:13--Eph 4;30 But SDA sabbatarians oppose what the Bible says and places EGW teachings above Holy Scripture "The seal of God is the passport to the Holy City ...those who would have the seal of God in their foreheads must keep the sabbath of the fourth commandments -Manuscript 27,1889 --EGW Medical Ministry ,pg 123 The seal of God (Holy Spirit)verses Ellen's seal which sabbath keeping -while you are here on this channel ,watch Defeating Adventism #35 it will help you understand that Adventism was birthed from this false prophecy which is Fundamental Belief No 24
@@umabrijmohun6720 This is a perfect example of how she is misrepresented. Here is the entire comment she makes. "Those who would have the seal of God in their foreheads must keep the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. This is what distinguishes them from the disloyal, who have accepted a man-made institution in the place of the true Sabbath. The observance of God's rest day is the mark of distinction between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not (Manuscript 27, 1899)." ***Why did you leave out the part about the man-made institution? You did so b/c there are two choices (God's Sabbath or Man's Sunday). Read Rev. 14:12 - the Bible is clear that the saints are those who keep the Commandments of God. Do you deny this?*** Ministry Magazine article - title God’s two seals: The seal of the gospel and the apocalyptic seal (read and study the Bible for yourself) Ephesians speaks of the first seal twice. The first mention is Ephesians 1:13, 14: “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal [Greek: esphragisthēte],1 .... ***the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession - the Spirit of God marks Christ’s followers with the seal of salvation when they first believe. I call this “the seal of the gospel.”*** ***The second seal of God is described in the book of Revelation.*** ***This seal is not in contradiction to the first but is a seal placed on God’s redeemed people as a sign of their belonging to God. They live in the end time just before probation closes.*** The purpose of this second seal does not focus on salvation or redemption but expresses ultimate redemptive vindication and protection. ***If the first one is the seal of the gospel, the second one may be called the eschatological, or apocalyptic, seal. In the book of Revelation, those who have the seal of God on their forehead are protected from the outpouring of the wrath of God, and they will be able to stand on that great day (Rev. 6:17; 7:3).*** ***(My words) What the author has done is placed context around how to understand what the BIble has to say about the seal of God. There is no denying the verses in Ephesians. There is no denying the verses in Revelation. Because they are in the both, there must be harmony. This article shows that harmony.***
*_This is a copy paste of a previous comment in another sda bashing video but i have seen many sunday keepers quote this text out of context so i am going to address this in here too_* If you cared to read to read colossians 2:16 atleast in the context of the few verses behind it you couldnt have said this because in colossians 2:14 it reads: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Lets also read ephesians 2:15 for more context Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace Notice it says it abolished ordinances again not commandments of god because the ordinances were jewish and transient they are not eternal these two verses carefully convey the difference these ordinances were prior to the new covenant as expressed explictly in hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. Notice the first covenant had extras like the law of ordinances,worldy sanctuary etc... colossians 2:16 talks about the ordinancial sabbaths not the sabbath of the ten commandments.Commandments and ordinances are not the same we can find this in luke 1:6 which reads: And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. notice ordinances and commandments are distinct they are not the same,Ordinances were transient and had its fulfillment in christ as it alludes to him however the commandments are written by the very finger of god they are eternal thats why you read in luke 23:56 "And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment". Notice it says sabbath was a commandment not a jewish law or a law of ordinance its simply the commandment.What's more interesting is that this event was mentioned by luke a gentile decades after jesus christs death if there could have been any place in the bible to reject sabbath observance he could have easily mentioned it here,but the fact is that he didn't and one another important thing to note the new covenant is ratified at the cross not the ressurection this can be seen in hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator". So keeping all these things in mind lets see what paul actually says in colossians 2:16 which reads Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. in the interlinear the word for sabbath days is sabbaths you can google and check in the interlinear if you want.Now this verse talks about the annual monthly sabbaths etc They are not commandments they are ordinances lets have a look at some Old testament passages which nail this point 1 Chronicles 23:31 Whenever burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the Sabbaths, New Moons, and appointed feasts, they were to serve regularly before the LORD in the numbers prescribed for them. 2 Chronicles 31:3 The king contributed from his own possessions for the regular morning and evening burnt offerings and for the burnt offerings on the Sabbaths, New Moons, and appointed feasts, as written in the Law of the LORD. These were annual monthly feast day sabbaths these sabbaths are not the weekly sabbath of the ten commandments hope that answers the question.
@Former Adventists Australia You said_*Furthermore, the sabbath was not made known until Horeb and given to Israel Nehemiah **9:14*_ Answer: No, Nehemiah 9:13-14 does not prove that the Sabbath was not given prior to Exodus 16. The words chosen in verse 14, "madest known unto them thy holy Sabbath," tells us that the Sabbath already existed before the precepts, statutes, and laws were given by Moses, which agrees with Gen. 2:2, 3 and Ex. 16:23. Notice "madest known unto them thy holy Sabbath" is set apart from the precepts, statutes, and laws. Let us consider what the Bible says: "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" Genesis 2:1-3. Then, let's go to Genesis 26:5: "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." The same word used for "rest" regarding the Sabbath is also used in Exodus 5:5. Then, of course, we have Exodus 16:23-26; and the Fourth Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) which is: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all they work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Now, considering all these things, are we to think that God made this one day holy - that He even made a seventh day of the week - that the weekly cycle has remained throughout the centuries, but He told no one about it until Sinai? When God makes something holy, we don't have to have notes to show that God would expect it to be KEPT holy by His creations. However, while things were laid out from Father to Son (you saw in Genesis 26:5 that Abraham kept God's Commandments) after several hundred years of captivity by the Egyptians, the Children of Israel needed things written down, even if some were continuing as they should...that doesn't mean the laws were not in effect prior. Romans 4:15 tells us "...where no law is, there is no transgression." Now, are we to expect that even the people from Adam and Eve to the flood did not know God's laws? Would God have destroyed the earth with a flood if they had no idea what sin was? What is sin? 1 John 3:4 says: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." Would the law by a God who does not change (Psalm 89:34, Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8) have changed what He set down as the definition of sin? We are told in Isaiah 66:23 that we'll even keep the Sabbath in heaven. We also do not have proof of Adam and Eve being told that they should not murder, or commit adultery, or steal, or take God's name in vain, but I doubt anyone is questioning whether they were out breaking the other Commandments. Cain knew that murder was sin; Joseph knew that adultery was sin; and again Abraham "kept...my commandments". We also don't have a lot of evidence of other things - such as not taking God's name in vain in the New Testament, but we know that this is not something God would find acceptable. I hope those who question the Sabbath being kept before Sinai will take these things into consideration.
@Former Adventists Australia You said _* I guess Seventh day Adventists could not concede to the NEW TESTAMENT TRUTH*_ Answer: Its actually the other way around it is the sunday keepers who do not understand what the new testament is how do I say this lets read hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator". A new covenant is ratified at the cross at the death of the testator which is christ bearing this in mind lets read luke 23:56 in this context and knowledge "And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment". the sabbath is called a commandment even after the death of christ and the gospel of luke was written some decades after this event still its called a commandment instead of a jewish law or ordinance its because the sabbath still abides under the new covenant and we are to keep it.
The Sanctuary in heaven was opened and John went in to see the reality of the pattern (Revelation 11:19). And the Sabbath is Eternal, Revelation 14 : 7 echoes Exodus 20: 11.
Your posted comment is classic Seventh-day Adventist. When you cannot refute the content of the presented video, like a dog that returns to his vomit (Prov. 26:11) is an Adventist who can only repeat, like a trained parrot, Adventist false teachings.
@@dohnlabalaba9470 Thank you for a comment, it just happens to be on a content which is not the subject of this video. This video shows the Sabbath is not Eternal and why. The Sabbath is not eternal has shown.
@@dohnlabalaba9470 Hosea 2:11 New King James Version 11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, Her feast days, Her New Moons, Her Sabbaths- All her appointed feasts.
Jesus CHIRST is the lord of the Sabbath.AcademyApologia is going to defeat Adventistim but you really defeat Jesus CHIRST.How sad is that.John. 14. [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. [21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Hi @Peace in Mind with Music stress relief I've read somewhere the Ellen G White has written that Jesus had older siblings. Do you believe that Jesus had older siblings? If "yes", can you give me the scripture verse/s that support EGW, thank you in advance......peace.
The SDA get so much about the Sabbath wrong. If there were true Sabbath Keepers, they would not go to church on the Sabbath. Every Sabbath that they go to chruch, they break the Sabbath: Exodus 16:29 ESV See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. *Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."*
@@AcademyApologia exactly. They want to go by the scripture where it says it was his custom to go to synogoue on the sabbath day. The reason why he was was rabbi. I guess they went to the synogoue on the sabbath. One said that why would you stay at home. Jesus went to out of his place and went to the synogoue as was his custom. They make ever excuse to say they are keeping the sabbath by meeting on saturday. They always accuse me of breaking it by not worshipping on saturday. 😁. I haven't been much anywhere since the virus hit. I enjoy watching these videos about different opinons people beliefs. I have learned more it seems than going to church. Although I do miss it. 😟
God did not need to be refreshed. His energy is never depleted. God did not rest after six days of creation. Here’s the Young’s literal translation of Genesis 2. God completed by the seventh day his work which he hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all his work which he hath made. The K.J.V. is a terrible translation. Adventists think that the K.J.V. is holy. Adventists are naive simpletons. Adventists are willing to pervert scripture to support their prophet and their judaizer ways. Adventists are not Christians.
you are doing errorneouse teaching ....you are saying genesis 2:2 seventhday is not the sabbath of exodus 16:23 but exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.so clearly said that the same sevethday is sabbath.so its logically said your teaching is mislead the people .i think you are similar person to ignesiuse loyola.....lol....may be considering your academy apologia Symbol may Templer secret society person...lol........but dont attack god true words and giving your own interpretations.
@Former Adventists Australia The 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God (Exodus 20). Its right there in the Bible. The 7th day is the Sabbath....the Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. They are one in the same.
@Former Adventists Australia its very hilarious that you said seventhday in genesis is not the sabbath in exodus because exodus 20: 11 said " For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the day and made it holy". clearly said creation sevethday mentioned as sabbath day.your comment on this regard has no value.when you study the bible you should consider other place where sevethday and sabbath day mention.i think its wasting time to expaining you about sabbath.thats why lost the path of understanding of Gods work. observing sabbath is not only a rest day its remind you the Our creator GOD and our savior Lord jesus.so your criticisim on sabbath keeping is carring satanic idea to keep away from Creater Lord Jesus.
Common Objections For Not Keeping The Sabbath by Richard Anthony (its a website) Every objection to the Sabbath is addressed from a Biblical point of view. This is biblical truth - not this channel. Here is just one example: "The Sabbath was made for Jews." Answer: This falsehood has gained such strength that multitudes of Christians refer to it as the "Jewish Sabbath." ***But nowhere do we find such an expression in the scripture. It is called "the sabbath of the Lord," but never "the sabbath of the Jews" (Exodus 20:10).*** Luke often made reference to things which were peculiarly Jewish. He spoke of the "nation of the Jews" (Acts 10:22), the "people of the Jews" (Acts 12:11), the "land of the Jews" (Acts 10:39), the "law of the Jews" (Acts 25:8), and the "synagogue of the Jews" (Acts 14:1; 17:1,10,17). ***But please note that Luke never referred to the "sabbath of the Jews," although he mentioned the Sabbath repeatedly.*** John also made references to things which were peculiarly Jewish. He spoke of the "people of the Jews" (John 12:9), the "Jews' feast of tabernacles" (John 7:2), the "feast of the Jews" (John 5:1), "the passover, a feast of the Jews" (John 6:4), and the "Jews' Passover" (John 2:13; 11:55). ***But please note that John never referred to the "Jews' Sabbath", although he mentioned the Sabbath repeatedly.*** ***But what did Jesus say? That the sabbath was made for Jews? No! Jesus said: "The sabbath was made for man" (Mark 2:27), for all men. The Greek word translated here as "man" is "anthropos" meaning "people, whether male or female". This Greek word is never translated as "Jew" or "Israel" anywhere in the New Testament books. This word is translated as "man" 552 times, and each time it is translated as "man," it refers to all men.*** ***The fact is that Adam was the only man in existence at the time God made the Sabbath (Genesis 2:1-3). There were no Jews in the world for at least 2,300 years after creation. It could never have been made for them. "Man" is also used in connection with the institution of marriage which was also introduced at creation. Certainly no one believes that marriage was made only for the Jews.*** And the fact that God specifically gave his Sabbath day to the stranger, as well as to the Jews, is proof that the Sabbath was not given exclusively for Jews, but for whoever else wishes to serve the Lord (Isaiah 56:1-8, Exodus 20:10).
And here we go again. Answer any and everything but the simple. If the Sabbath was eternal, then where is the Hebrew word Sabbath in genesis? What bible verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath. What bible verse show Adam and Eve observed a Sabbath?
@@AcademyApologia And here we go again...a false narrative about the Bible followed by untruths about me responding the questions. Would you like for me to address and answer each of these yet again so that you can ignore them? Smh...
@@AcademyApologia Sir, what you are asking for and the way you've asked to be answered simply doesn't fit how the Bible is to be studied. Simple and plain. So, its really on you. This approach eliminates reading contextually. Do you not agree that the Bible should be read contextually? Seems like you don't...
Hi Jim. I was in an ongoing Scriptural debate with a gentleman who stated that in Isaiah 66 : 23 and stated that "in heaven we will be keeping the sabbath". his words not mine. He also proceeded to attempt to tear me to shreads by mentioning the timeline with the 760 years etc. Could you please address this Isaiah 66 :23 scripture and tell me what this means. Thank You Jim. Sincerely, JAMES in S.F.
Below is a small write up I had already created. But in addition to this answer below, the Adventist never seems to admit that they will worship from moon to moon. Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week. Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states this is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel. It no where says sabbath keeping will occur in heaven.
AA LIKES TO REINTERPRET SCRIPTURE AND CLAIM THAT THE TEXT DOES NOT REALLY MEAN WHAT IT SAYS: WE CAN TAKE THE BIBLE AS IT READS: Isaiah 66:22-23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD." THE SABBATH IN THE NEW EARTH: Rev 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
@@loyal7790 Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week. Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states this is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel. It no where says sabbath keeping will occur in heaven
@@loyal7790 You can choose to live under and in obedience to the “obsolete” Old Testament law (Heb. 8:13), but in doing so you are under a “curse” (Gal 3:10-11). I choose not to live under the "ministry of death carved in letters of stone" (II Cor. 3:7) as you so proudly declare. Enjoy the curse of choosing to live under the ministry of death while following an obsolete covenant. --------------------------------------- // REFERENCES // --------------------------------------- Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end
There was judiazer just got on and said we need to keep the sabbath. He acted as though the new covenant didn't really matter. I think they still have problem with Jesus fulfilling their laws. They still don't accept that he did.😟
Ironically Dale Ratzlaff, the prophet of the Former Adventist fraternity, said Adam and Eve kept the seventhday Sabbath... Yet another video where the Protestant Reformers are being torn down.
This video proves the Sabbath is not eternal and the Hebrew word for Sabbath is not found in the entire book of Genesis. I see Adventists who are afraid to address issues always try and change the topic. You can choose to live under and in obedience to the “obsolete” Old Testament law (Heb. 8:13), but in doing so you are under a “curse” (Gal 3:10-11). I choose not to live under the "ministry of death carved in letters of stone" (II Cor. 3:7) as you so proudly declare. Enjoy the curse of choosing to live under the ministry of death while following an obsolete covenant. ---------------------------------------REFERENCES--------------------------------------- Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end
Im no theologian but I thought God gave the Sabbath and the Laws to the earthlings to organise , promote order, respect and form and shape. These have an earthly function and when the law is going to be fulfilled in its entirety when the saints go marching in. The Law and Sabbath will find their ultimate fulfillment , for there will be no longer law and sin. Saints will enter into Gods eternal rest in Heaven spoken by Paul in Heb 4. On this side of the 2nd coming Sabbath observance is important for family, peace and serenity in this chaotic world. In the meantime the earthlings must organise their lives through the observance of the law., Jesus in Matt 5 expanded the law to put it into the heart. The law is in my heart so that I might not sin against thee says David in Ps 119.
You are wrong. The Sabbath is not eternal. The word Sabbath and the Command from God to observe a Sabbath does not occur until Exodus 16:23. If you want to prove from the bible that God command a Sabbath with all the Sabbath rules, then cite your verse(s). A Sabbath requirement requires two things: A command from God and the rules of the command. Neither of which you will find prior to Exodus 16. If you think you will, then you will not have to refute Moses and the Apostle Paul who both state there was a point in time the law *did not exist* and a point of time in which it came into existence. -------------------------------------- BIBLE VERSES ------------------------------------- Deuteronomy 5:2-3 “The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. *Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.”* Galatians 3:17-19 “This is what I mean: *the law, which came 430 years afterward,* does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void Nehemiah 9:13-14 You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven and gave them right rules and true laws, good statutes and commandments, (14) and *you made known to them your holy Sabbath and commanded them commandments and statutes and a law by Moses your servant.*
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:23 KJV Isn't the Sabbath eternal?
Thank you for being the 511th Adventist to copy and past this bible verse. Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week. Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states this is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel. It no where says sabbath keeping will occur in heaven.
@@AcademyApologia You are the one who takes Isaiah 66 out of context: I cut and paste, as you like to interpret the plain English of the Bible into your own interpretation. This is describing the second coming of Jesus Christ and the establishment of a new heavens and a new earth: Isaiah 66:15,16 "For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many." Isaiah 66:22,23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." Do other texts in the Bible reiterate the above?
@@loyal7790 I gave you an answer supported with biblical evidence and you never do likewise. let me help you along, explain the phrase "from New Moon to New Moon" as it relates to the Sabbath and worship.
@@AcademyApologia The month is the lunar cycle of between 27 and 28 days and the Sabbath is a weekly cycle of 7 days,(7 times 4 equals 28). Their are no planets in our system that have a 7 day cycle: God and the Lord Jesus Christ ordained this cycle at creation before sin. So during the monthly cycle and every seventh day the Sabbath will be celebrated. Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man: The Greek word for man in Mark 2::27,28 is anthropos, which is the root for anthropology, the study of all humanity - not just Jews. DUH!!!
@@loyal7790 This means the Sabbath is based on the moon and not a calendar and because it is lunar based the days of the month vary each month and vary each year. Like Hanukkah moves!
So what did God mean by remember the sabbath to keep it holy? One thing we look at is, the one day we are keep holy. What you to do on the other days? Before Jesus came and they had manna , God told them how much pick for each family. He didn't say keep one day holy out of the week. Everyday was just as holy as another. People who are the sabbath keepers don't look on it that way or are supposedly sabbath keepers ignore them . One guy said he didn't want to follow those rules of staying home and resting. 😂 Since Jesus fulfilled it we are not under that anyway. We can leave our place and eat out, or visit, we can go out of the city. 😊
According to the Bible the Sabbath is eternal: Isaiah 66:22-23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." The Bible and the Bible only should be the standard of the followers of Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week. Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states worship will in the future be continuously or month to month and week to week. The Sabbath is not eternal. The word Sabbath and the Command from God to observe a Sabbath does not occur until Exodus 16:23. If you want to prove from the bible that God command a Sabbath with all the Sabbath rules, then cite your verse(s). A Sabbath requirement requires two things: A command from God and the rules of the command. Neither of which you will find prior to Exodus 16. If you think you will, then you will not have to refute Moses and the Apostle Paul who both state there was a point in time the law *did not exist* and a point of time in which it came into existence. --------------------------------------BIBLE VERSES------------------------------------- Deuteronomy 5:2-3 “The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. *Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.”* Galatians 3:17-19 “This is what I mean: *the law, which came 430 years afterward,* does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void Nehemiah 9:13-14 You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven and gave them right rules and true laws, good statutes and commandments, (14) and *you made known to them your holy Sabbath and commanded them commandments and statutes and a law by Moses your servant.*
@@AcademyApologia It very clear that you hang your theological hat on one isolated Scripture at the exclusion of the Bible's total teaching or doctrine on the given subject. Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. Rev 21:1-3 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
@@garyfisher8602 Very typical Adventist comment. When an Adventist cannot directly address the content of a video, they bring up a new issue. Thank your for whining and complaining, but you did not address the content shown in this video. The Hebrew word for Sabbath, does not appear in the entire book of Genesis.
1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. (Matthew 12:1-8, KJV)
90 percent of your quotes were from apostle paul the most powerful inspired apostle of our lord jesus christ so I like to bring in a quote from apostle peter the topmost closest apostle of christ and his interpretation of paul's writings in 2peter 3:15-17 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. Isn't that very interesting peter knew beforehand that people could take select snipets out of paul's writings to do away with the law and be lawless thereby falling away from their secure position?isnt that very ironic all sunday keepers quote paul out of context and try to say that the sabbath is no longer binding under the new covenant I mean it cant be a coincidence.
Again, thank you for yet another useless post on a subject not in this video. I know last time I said "Try Again", but I fear you do not know how to stay on topic.
@Former Adventists Australia How does this negate the obvious coincidence and irony of the sunday keepers with regards to the verse in 2peter 3:15-17 and tell me whose interpretation can we trust in regards to the writings of apsotle paul is it peter or the presenter in the video?
@@johnseventhday9145 You only posted this one day ago How does this negate the obvious coincidence and irony of the sunday keepers with regards to the verse in 2peter 3:15-17 and tell me whose interpretation can we trust in regards to the writings of apsotle paul is it peter or the presenter in the video?
Greetings and blessing. Not an Adventist but YAHWEH most certainly keeps HIS laws, they are HIS behavior as psalm 119 clearly states. The very definition of sin is to break HIS commandments. Are you therefore saying that HE sins? And in regard to the Sabbath Hebrews 4:1-11 New American Standard Bible The Believer’s Rest 4 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have (A)come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but (B)the word [a]they heard did not benefit them, because [b]they were not united with those who listened with faith. 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “(C)As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished (D)from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has said (E)somewhere concerning the seventh day: “(F)And God (G)rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this passage, “(H)They certainly shall not enter My rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of (I)disobedience, 7 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying [c]through David after so long a time just (J)as has been said before, “(K)Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” 8 For (L)if [d]Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also (M)rested from his works, as (N)God did from His. 11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same (O)example of (P)disobedience. With all due respect, the message came to gentiles the moment The LORD spoke to Abram, from Ur of the Chaldeans.
Yeshua makes clear in Mathew 5:17-19 that the commandments He says will not pass away are the Law and the Prophets which is an idiom for what most would call the old testament.
@@inspirittruth1985 Do you realize you just misquoted Jesus and completely distorted His words? Read the whole verse and accurately quote what Jesus said *He did not come to destroy.* Notice Jesus said he was not going to destroy -“the Law or the Prophets.” You just focus on the _Law_ and ignore _the Prophets._ However, Jesus said he was not coming to destroy two things: The Law and The Prophets. The phrase “Law and Prophets” is a reference to the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). There are 9 references to “The Law and Prophets” in the New Testament [below] and every time it is a reference to the entire Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). Your only quote the “Law” and ignore “The Prophets” and in doing so, you misquote Jesus. For example, Jesus as the coming Messiah was foretold in the Hebrew Scriptures (Law and Prophets). There is an account of Phillip who describes his discovery of Jesus and realizes Jesus is the Messiah spoken of in the “Law and the Prophets” or the Hebrew Scriptures: John 1:45 ESV “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, *"We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote,* [Hebrew Scriptures] Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." Jesus said he did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures (The Law and the Prophets). He did not separate the Law from the Prophets, that is what you just did in you misquote of Christ. Are you so comfortable misquoting Jesus? You should not and you need to cease misquoting my Savior immediately. //////////////////// *REFERENCES* //////////////////// Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish *the Law or the Prophets;* I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Matthew 7:12 "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is *the Law and the Prophets.”* Matthew 11:13 “For all *the Prophets and the Law* prophesied until John” Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments depend all *the Law and the Prophets."* Luke 16:16 *"The Law and the Prophets* were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.” John 1:45 “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found him of whom Moses in *the Law and also the prophets* wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." Acts 13:15 “After the reading from *the Law and the Prophets,* the rulers of the synagogue sent a message to them, saying, "Brothers, if you have any word of encouragement for the people, say it." Acts 28:23 “When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from *the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.”* Romans 3:21 “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although *the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it”*
@@inspirittruth1985 Great, so we are in agreement that Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 that he did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures. And those who use this verse to say "Jesus did not come to destroy the Law" are in error. Right?
Read the book from Saturday to Sunday by Samuele Bacchiocchi he has refuted your hatred of the God of rest in Hebrews. Sunday worship is worshiping the Sun and that is cult.
And here is another lazy Adventist who cannot defend his faith. Why do you call the 1st century Christians cult members who were worshiping on Sunday long before Constantine was even born. In a Jerusalem Monastery was found one of the most historically significant manuscripts hiding in plain sight as was the Codex Sinaitcus of Mount Sanai. The Didache is a first century Christian noncanonical document also known as the “Teaching of the Twelve Apostles” which shows that the first century church worshiped on Sunday. Constantine can’t change what was already in place. The Didache was discovered by Greek Archbishop Bryennios in 1875. Archbishop Bryennios resided in Constantinople (2) and due to the Russo-Turkish war (1877-1878) (2) he was finally afforded an opportunity to examine the text in 1878 and published his findings in 1883 (3). The Didache is dated to the first century, makes no claim of Apostolic authority, but is a record of the practices in the first century Christian church. One of those practices is recorded in chapter 14 and verse one, which is: “And on the Lord’s Day of the Lord come together, and break bread, and give thanks, having before confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.” (4) A document found in 1875 has just rendered the Seventh-day Adventist theological statement that Constantine changed the Sabbath in 321 A.D. to be a gross historical and theological error. Since the publication of the Didache in 1883, Adventism has again been shown to be false. ---------------------------------------//REFERENCES//--------------------------------------- 1. “What happened generally in the churches of the United States in 1844, however, is only a microcosm, or partial fulfillment, of the macrocosm, or final and full fulfillment, of the second angel's message that is yet to come. A study of Revelation 12 to 18 reveals that Babylon is "the synagogue of Satan," his counterfeit of the true Christian church. It has its antecedents in paganism. Paganism gradually infiltrated the church, was "baptized," and Roman Catholicism was the result of the union.” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald. “Babylon is Fallen” 14 October 1976, p. 14 2. Schaff, Phillip. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles or the Oldest Church Manual The Didache or Kindred Documents in the Original with Translations and Discussion of post-apostolic teaching Baptism Worship and Discipline and with Illustration and fac-similes of the Jerusalem Manuscript.” New York: Funk & Wagnalls Publishers, 1889, p. 8 3. Ibid; p. 9 4. Ibid, p. 208-209
First, why is it hatred when a non SDA refutes something the SDA believe, but when an SDA refutes someone else’s belief, it’s not hatred…. ? Second, if people who go to worship God on Sunday are irretrievably worshipping “the Sun” regardless of what is in their hearts, then by your very own logic, SDA are irretrievably worshipping Saturn (Saturn-day, which is what Saturday is named after) regardless of what is in your heart….. you have to measure by the same stick my friend.
@@AcademyApologia God made a day holy. Neither the early church fathers nor you can change that. No matter the smart talk you shall give, the Bible does not support your view. Moreover, Sunday is not the Lord's day. Saturday Sabbath is the Lord's day. Be faithful to God and His written word not to the traditions of men.
The institution of marriage is not mentioned in Genesis either, does that mean that we should ignore it? The word “wife” is mentioned, but it is the same Hebrew word, “ish-shaw” that is used for woman throughout the entire Old Testament. The altar sacrifice was not commanded either, but we see Cain and Abel carrying it out. Just because something is not mentioned doesn’t mean that it didn’t exist. Abraham kept the Sabbath, because he kept God’s laws Gen 26:5. In Ex 16:27-28, God gets upset over someone not keeping the Sabbath and He asks Moses, “How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?” God didn’t get upset like that with Abraham.
Adventists who claim Genesis 26:5 is evidence that Abraham obeyed any or all of the 10 commandments have now created a biblical conflict. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 is clear that the Mosaic law (10 Commandments) were not given to those previous to Moses (1). Which is it? Did God give the Mosaic law to Abraham including the Sabbath or did God NOT give the Mosaic law (including the Sabbath) to Abraham? Using Adventist hermeneutics creates a biblical conflict, both bible verses cannot be correct. Is Genesis 26:5 correct or is Deut. 5:2-3 correct? Additionally, the Apostle Paul supports the view that the Mosaic law was added at a point in time. He stated the law “came 430 years” after Abraham (2). How can the Mosaic law “come afterward” if it was already in place? It can’t and this verse shows the Mosaic law had a beginning which is 430 years after Abraham which means Abraham never practiced the Sabbath. Lastly, the Apostle Paul again states the Mosaic law did not exist eternally. In Romans 5:12-14 (3) he shows how sin existed prior to the Mosaic law from Adam to Moses. Is the Apostle Paul writing inspired Scripture? How can the Apostle Paul contradict the Adventist interpretation of Genesis 26:5? Who is wrong? Is the Apostle Paul correct when stating the Mosaic law did not exist prior to Moses or is the Adventist interpretation of Genesis 26:5 correct that Abraham had the Mosaic law and kept the Sabbath? Both cannot be right. The answer is that the Bible is not in conflict; Adventists are in conflict. Adventists are guilty of “Reading Into the Text” which is called “Eisegesis.” To engage in Eisegesis is to read into the text that which is not present. Reading a meaning into the Biblical text which does not exist (eisegesis) is a faulty practice yielding faulty biblical understanding. When reading any text of the Bible we must take our meaning out of the text and not go beyond the bounds of what is written. This is called exegesis or extracting meaning out of the text. What are the Commandments that Abraham followed? Nowhere in the text will you find the 10 Commandments, but you will find God commanding Abraham to do and perform a variety of actions which Abraham faithfully did. Abraham kept the following commands of God which are: God commanded Abram to move from his country (Gen. 12:1); God commanded Abraham to be circumcised and he did (Gen. 17:11) and God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac (Gen. 22:2). Abraham followed all these commands (Gen. 12:1; 17:11; 22:2) of God and is commended for keeping these commands of God.
@@AcademyApologia You are doing alot of assuming. Have you ever heard of the"oral tradition." As a former student of Hebrew and Greek, I will tell you this, you cannot come to a debate with just an English Bible. If you do, you are not ready for the debate. Moreover, you lack biblical substance. With regard to keeping law check, 40:8. I don't have time to write a discourse for you. The Sabbath is dealt with on my channel. Please refute all 6 studies with bible if you can please.
@@CJILMinistriesprotruth Thank you for the complaint. A complaint is not a biblical refutation. Are you a Catholic? It is a Catholic teaching to rely on oral tradition outside the bible. I rely on the bible and no where prior to Moses was anyone seen observing the Sabbath nor given it as a command.
@@AcademyApologia You are a liar. Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath.God kept the Sabbath and the Patriarchs kept the Sabbath. More so, it is plausible that the other 9 commandments were not kept by anyone before the Exodus according to your argument. Which commandments did Cain transgress? Your argument is like a basket with hot water in it on your head. You are hurting your own self.
And you shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Mitsrayim, and that יהוה your Elohim brought you out from there by a strong hand and by an outstretched arm. Therefore יהוה your Elohim commanded you to perform the Sabbath day. Deḇarim (Deuteronomy) 5:15 TS2009 If I'm law keeper,you are a law breaker
Law of Moses will throw you justfuly to hell for failed in keeping whole of it - you have only a little part of the Law and you will be justyfuly damned by the law; everyone who is under the law of Moses for salvation by adding something from the law of gospel - Christ will don't help them. You don't have law - you have little part of it; food regulations and sabbath, you senteced yourselve to death when you will enter into eternity in sin proven by the law on you in failure of fulling law of Moses. God never gived to you, polish gentile order to keep sabbath. Councul of Jerousalem told you clearly that sabbath was not taken as ordinance to the messianic Law of Christ in what we live, hence you are in rebelion against everyone Apostole who ordained councul from the Acts.
Christians are not under the Mosaic law ,but we are under Christ's law of life ,Rom 8:2--4 Led by the Holy Spirit we try and obey all that Jesus and the Apostles taught ,the sabbath command is not mentioned in the New Testament ,Jesus broke the Sabbath command ,would you call Him a law breaker ??
@@umabrijmohun6720 “Because this is the covenant that I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws in their mind, and I shall write them on their hearts, and I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people. Iḇ`rim (Hebrews) 8:10 TS2009 Whot does this mean ???
@@Krislinke When God refers to the Law ;it is the whole unit=613 The laws written in our hearts is parts of the 613 which are repeated in the New Testament -the Sabbath command was not mentioned
@@umabrijmohun6720 The law of Elohim was placed in the Ark, the Torah next to the Ark of the Covenant...“Take this Book of the Torah, and you shall place it beside the ark of the covenant of יהוה your Elohim, and it shall be there as a witness against you, Deḇarim (Deuteronomy) 31:26 TS2009
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. [I am not an SDA but I am a Sabbath keeping Believer who believes in what the Bible says. And On Gentiles not being mentioned in the old testament ,I have this response] Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts [TO WHOM IS THE LAW GIVEN ? IS THERE A SEPARATE LAW FOR THE GENTILES? AND WHO ARE WE? STRANGERS TO HIS WAYS ,ARE WE NOT?] Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever. Deut 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! WE ARE HIS CHILDREN, AND OF OUR ANCESTERS ,THE ANCESTERS OF THE BIBLE WHOM GOD DID SPEAK TO
Further more I would like to respond with this also. ARE WE A PART OF ISRAEL? THE FOLLOWING VERSES SAY YES.WE ARE THE LOST SHEEP. Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel Luke 1:50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.[part of the song that Mary sang] Acts 17:28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring Romans 3:28-30 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [this does say we shouldn't follow it does it?] James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Galatians 3:26-29 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans 11:25 25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Psalms 86:9 9All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. These verses are very important to those lost sheep. There are those perhaps reading this thar needed to read this.
I would also like to add on the following Has the Law been done away with? Matthew 5:17 - 19 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. This is in response to you saying that we are not under the law ,saying Jesus fulfilled. Indeed he did. But we still have it.
And one last thing Is keeping the Sabbath something we need to do? Do we need to rest from our works as God did from his? Hebrews 4:8-11 8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. You said God didn't need to rest. Yet this is scripture, does the Bible lie?
@@laurachamberlain4911 Simply copy and pasting a series of bible verses without explanation proves nothing other than you have the ability to copy and paste. So, let's take your work and start here. Explain your use of Matthew 5:17-19. What are these verses teaching?
@@AcademyApologiano I will not type out each verse so therefore I did copy and paste them however I didn't just post scriptures. I responded to you with questions that were points that you mentioned. Didn't you read the whole that posted? I posted scriptures to support and answer the questions.You could offer feedback on what the questions aae and the points that the scriptures are making in regards to the questions. Is there something wrong with the scriptures? Or are you mad because I didn't interpret? I will not give a private interpretation, therefore if you refute anything, it is the scriptures.I appreciate a lot of what you put out. I agree with a lot of what you said. But the Gentiles are mentioned in the old testament, and the Bible does say that we are to keep the sabbath as God rested on that day. And The law has been fulfilled and not abolished.And we who are grafted in are part of Israel. These things Are written in the scriptures that I posted. I don't believe in private interpretation. I found out these truths today, after I listened and watched your video and then I spent hours researching the scriptures for these facts. I'm not here to rebuttal. I do not know you. I have only just recently found your channel. The bible tells us to use scripture to prove the truth, and to correct when something is not right. So we can rightly divide it. I refuse to be carried away with every wind of doctrine. I pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit and look for truth in the bible alone when it comes to God's word. God Bless you.
1 question for the presenter. Read Genesis 2:1-3. Especially verse 3. Sanctified means to be set apart, consecrated, hallowed, holy, sacred, etc. Its clear in the Genesis account that God made the 7th day distinct from the other 6 days. Right? **Here's the question: God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?**
Do you believe in the bible? If you do, then you will show the verse where Adam and Eve were given the command to observe the Sabbath. That verse is? Time to admit you have beliefs only found in Adventist books and not the bible.
@@AcademyApologia I believe the Bible. This comment simply proves my point. You're so literal that its a barrier to your ability to reason with scripture. You've dismissed yet another question to a claim that you've made. This is what you do often. This is a necessary question for the person claiming that Adam and Eve did not observe the Sabbath. You avoided the question. You dismissed the question. ***I killed your entire argument with this one question b/c you have no response...you have no answer to give. Smh.***
@@frazierwoods9912 Just show the bible verse where Adam and Eve either observed the Sabbath or were commanded to observe the Sabbath. If you believe the bible like you say, then this will be easy. Now here is how this conversation will go, as past experience with you is a good predictor of the future. You will dance, dodge and duck the issue and when you do, I will simply copy and paste this response over and over until I get bored and put you back on ignore. All I ask for is 2 bible verses: 1) What verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to observe the Sabbath; 2) What verse shows Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath?
@@frazierwoods9912 Just show the bible verse where Adam and Eve either observed the Sabbath or were commanded to observe the Sabbath. If you believe the bible like you say, then this will be easy. Now here is how this conversation will go, as past experience with you is a good predictor of the future. You will dance, dodge and duck the issue and when you do, I will simply copy and paste this response over and over until I get bored and put you back on ignore. All I ask for is 2 bible verses: 1) What verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to observe the Sabbath; 2) What verse shows Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath?
(1) Here are 3 clear as day errors you missed: (1.) 4 min. 42 second mark. The presenter is correct. Seventh-day is not Sabbath in Hebrew. ***What he didn't show you is the Hebrew for 'rested' in the same verse.*** The Hebrew for rested in Genesis 2 is Sabbath in English. The seventh day of the week is Saturday. Saturday is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh-day of creation. The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. ***No one noticed this?*** (2.) 5 min. 11 second mark. God does not need to rest. No supporter of the Sabbath will say that God needs to rest. The idea that God needs the Sabbath to rest is a mischaracterization of the Sabbath and a misunderstanding of the creation of the Sabbath. The Bible is clear that the Sabbath was made for man (Mark 2:27). Man meaning mankind. The Sabbath wasn't made for God. ***No one noticed this?*** (3.) Is the Sabbath eternal? Do we see it at creation/before sin entered the world? Yes. (Genesis 2:1-3) Do we see it after sin entered the world? Yes. (Exodus 20:8-11, Mark 2:27) Do we see it after the 2nd coming? Yes. (Isa. 66:22-23) If this isn't eternal, I don't know what is.....***No one noticed this?*** (2) ***For those of you that are anti-Sabbath, where are your proof-texts for Sunday observance? There are none. Sunday isn't the Sabbath (biblical fact). Sunday isn't a day that God blessed or made holy (biblical fact). Sunday isn't a day of rest (biblical fact). Sunday observance isn't a command of God (biblical fact). God made the 1st day the same as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th (biblical fact). If you observe Sunday, you're not doing so b/c God said so. Jesus never commanded Sunday observance. God's 10 Commandment law doesn't change. Biblical fact.*** ***I'll leave the thread with this last post.*** ***I'll keep a look-out for a direct answer to my question (Since God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?)*** Other than that, I'll likely ignore what you say. Fair warning. ***Y'all be safe and read/study the Bible for yourselves. Seek God's wisdom and understanding.*** You won't find wisdom and understanding on this channel. Proof? See section #1.
What Frazier Woods refuses to show is where in the Bible did Adam and Eve get the command to Sabbath? Frazier, your questions will not be entertained until you defined your false Sabbath idol. Sow us in the bible where Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath, where they were given the Sabbath or where the Hebroe word for Sabbath (See Ex. 20:8) is anywhere in the entire book of Genesis. Defend your faith and what predict is the you will not and I will then resort to copying and pasting this response over and over.
@@AcademyApologia blah blah blah blah blah... The Bible is its own defense. I've answered your question already....go back and read the comments. ***Since you refuse to answer my question, I'll move on and ask another.*** ***Were Adam and Eve human beings? Because the Sabbath was made for human beings (see Mark 2:27).*** Man in that verse is anthropos in the Greek (human being). So, that tells us that Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath b/c the Sabbath was made for human beings. ***What do you say? Were Adam and Eve human beings or not???***
@@frazierwoods9912 What Frazier Woods refuses to show is where in the Bible did Adam and Eve get the command to Sabbath? Frazier, your questions will not be entertained until you defined your false Sabbath idol. Sow us in the bible where Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath, where they were given the Sabbath or where the Hebroe word for Sabbath (See Ex. 20:8) is anywhere in the entire book of Genesis. Defend your faith and what predict is the you will not and I will then resort to copying and pasting this response over and over.
@@frazierwoods9912 What Frazier Woods refuses to show is where in the Bible did Adam and Eve get the command to Sabbath? Frazier, your questions will not be entertained until you defined your false Sabbath idol. Sow us in the bible where Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath, where they were given the Sabbath or where the Hebroe word for Sabbath (See Ex. 20:8) is anywhere in the entire book of Genesis. Defend your faith and what predict is the you will not and I will then resort to copying and pasting this response over and over.
Academy apologia will be refuted on screen in pastor Jeff Dowell's upcoming videos not to mention his arguments are already being decimated in the comments.
Now this is funny! You have lost all respect here. Do your own work and create your own content and stop running to some pastor and hiding under his skirt.
Claim made by presenter: Adam and Eve did not observe the Sabbath. Question from viewer: God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day? Answer from presenter: Conclusion drawn from viewer: Claim dismissed as presenter did not answer question. Y'all be good...take care.
Just show the bible verse where Adam and Eve either observed the Sabbath or were commanded to observe the Sabbath. If you believe the bible like you say, then this will be easy. Now here is how this conversation will go, as past experience with you is a good predictor of the future. You will dance, dodge and duck the issue and when you do, I will simply copy and paste this response over and over until I get bored and put you back on ignore. All I ask for is 2 bible verses: 1) What verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to observe the Sabbath; 2) What verse shows Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath?
Frazier Woods These two questions were asked, *When was the Seventh day first made holy?* *And for what purpose?* Here is how these two questions were answered, *Answer:* *"The Sabbath* was first made Holy in *Genesis 2:3"* *"The Sabbath* was made Holy as described *in Genesis 2:3"* *"because on it God stopped working* on everything that he had been creating." *Frazier Woods do you know who answered these two questions?* I will tell you who answered these two questions. It was AcademyApologia. It was AcademyApologia, that wrote the answer. I have it documented and would be glad to give it to you.
@@JD-zg4kg The 7th day was made holy for Israel only ,where under the New covenant does it states that believers have to observe the Sabbath day or worship on the 7th day only ?? The term "Sunday sacredness or Keep Sunday "is an Adventist thing or ill-information --no Christian church profess by words or actions that Sunday is a holy day --The Sabbath is not a day to observe but a promise we are invited to Heb 4:4--11 --The Sabbath was a shadow which was fulfilled in Christ who is the substance Col 2;17
@@umabrijmohun6720 You wrote, "The 7th day was made holy for Israel only" The Seventh Day was made Holy in Genesis 2:3 3 So God blessed *the seventh day* and made it *holy,* because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. ESV Long BEFORE Israel. You wrote, "no Christian church profess by words or actions that Sunday is a holy day" *Really?* I guess you should have told the Sunday keeping churches that I was a member of didn't know that. “We Catholics, then have precisely the same authority for keeping Sunday holy, instead of Saturday, as we have for every other article of our creed; namely, the authority of ‘the Church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth;’” Vol. IV of Clifton Tracts (Catholic) p. 15 “The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things,” Isaac Williams, D.D., Plain Sermons on the Catechism, Vol. I, pp. 334-36. Many statements come from many churches and denominations that call Sunday Holy. You wrote, "The term "Sunday sacredness or Keep Sunday "is an Adventist thing or ill-information" *Why then do these Churches say the very things that you say that they don't "profess?"*
Imagine the scene. You in the new Jerusalem, and sinners outside. Among them you see a man who collected wood on the Sabbath. And He calls out to you, hey ... you must have kept His law. And you answer ... no ... we were no longer bound by the law. This man thought ... what? this is unfair.
There is a difference between grace and bound by the law for example if you get caught by a traffic police man for violating the rules they could grant you grace only if you accept your mistake otherwise if you act like a bigshot you be treated badly and lose grace in the same way you guys do not even accept there is a commandment called sabbath as we know sin is the transgressor of the law you guys are justifying your sin which is worse and leads to you guys falling away from grace thats the whole point you must first understand and accept your mistake that is the very purpose of the law to show you that you need christ for grace if this wasn"t clear enough i pity you brother
So if the Sabbath is not eternal that means God’s commandments are not eternal, and God’s throne isn’t eternal. Is that what you’re saying? Don’t mess with God’s law or throne friend. Be careful. Don’t forget anyone touching the ark aka throne with sin was struck dead immediately. It’s pretty serious to mess with it…
You are confused in equating the throne of God to the 10 Commandments. I like your response, it is completely lacking any scriptural support. Let me help and set the baseline, the 10 Commandments are not eternal and the Sabbath is not eternal. The first occurrence of the Sabbath is Ex. 16:23, the Sabbath does not exist in the entire book of Genesis.
@@AcademyApologia The Sabbath is in Genesis 2 even the original 1611 KJV titled Genesis 2 as the first Sabbath. Go look it up. So according to you Murder was ok since there was no Murder commandment given prior to Cain killing… Yes the commandments are eternal: psalms 119:7-8 His throne is forever: Hebrews 1:8 NASB His throne is made of SAPPHIRE STONE: Ezekiel 1:26 KJV Clearly the Ten Commandments are forever based on the above and same for his throne. Not only that. God’s throne is made of blue sapphire stone and so were the Ten Commandments: read it in Exodus 24:10-12 CORD OF BLUE to remind the people of the Ten Commandments: Numbers 15:37-41
@@godloves9163 Your post highlights the difference between you and me. I rely on the Word of God and you rely on a 1611 translation by men. You dishonor and misuse the bible when stating God created the Sabbath at Creation. It is amazing how comfortable Adventists are in putting “words in Gods mouth” which were never spoken. The Hebrew transliteration of "Seventh Day" in Genesis 2:2 is "shebiith yom." The first occurrence of Sabbath in Exodus 16:23 is the Hebrew transliteration "shabbathon." The Hebrew transliteration for Sabbath in Exodus 20:8 is shabbathon Seventh day (shebiith yom) in Genesis 2 is not Sabbath (shabbathon) as used in Exodus 16 & 20. The Hebrew text does not support the existence of a Sabbath in Genesis. 2 Peter 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, *which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.*
@@AcademyApologia Yes Genesis 2 was the first sabbath. You’re ignorant of the 1611 KJV indeed. You claim God sanctified the 7th day for himself to worship himself and spend time with himself in Genesis 2:3? Exodus 20 then quoting what happened in Genesis. The gymnastics people do to avoid God’s commandments is sad.
1. 4 min. 42 second mark. The presenter is correct. Seventh-day is not Sabbath. ***What he didn't show you is the Hebrew for 'rested' in the same verse.*** The Hebrew for rested in Genesis 2 is Sabbath in English. The seventh day of the week is Saturday. Saturday is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh-day of creation. The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. ***No one noticed this?*** 2. 5 min. 11 second mark. God does not need to rest. No supporter of the Sabbath will say that God needs to rest. The idea that God needs the Sabbath to rest is a mischaracterization of the Sabbath and a misunderstanding of the creation of the Sabbath. The Bible is clear that the Sabbath was made for man (Mark 2:27). Man meaning mankind. The Sabbath wasn't made for God. ***No one noticed this?*** 3. Is the Sabbath eternal? Do we see it at creation/before sin entered the world? Yes. (Genesis 2:1-3) Do we see it after sin entered the world? Yes. (Exodus 20:8-11, Mark 2:27) Do we see it after the 2nd coming? Yes. (Isa. 66:22-23) If this isn't eternal, I don't know what is.....***No one noticed this?*** I'll leave the thread with this last post. Y'all be safe and read/study the Bible for yourselves. Seek God's wisdom and understanding.
At least 3 errors. Clear as day errors. 29 likes (at the point of this comment) 442 views (at the point of this comment) Only 1 person identified the errors. Smh. That's crazy.
Frazier Woods ..... The bible was mostly written to/for the Jewish people, by Jewish authors. You are NOT a Jew, Gentiles are not Jews. Neither have you taken the place of Jews. They still exist today. Israel is still God's people. He has not done away with them. Ellen White was a fool to teach such garbage, because she didn't understand the bible, and therefore copied other writers and claimed as her own interpretations and visions. And here you follow the silly old lying fool. You keep that up you will be following her all the way to hell, where you will remain till you get chucked into the lake of fire......FOREVER !!!!! Forever means eternity, where your soul will be. And don't believe me wait and find out. there is no way of ever getting out. Tell me Woody, where does it say in the Pauline epistles that in the church age [the time we are living now, as we are not in old testament] that Saturday is the sabbath day that one must keep to be saved ?????
@@amazonwarrior5584 Still waiting for my question to be answered (since God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?)
@@frazierwoods9912 I've answered your question in your response to Former Adventist Australia. I will give you a shorten version, in four words to be precise. FW question "Why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?" My answer: Because God is Sovereign.
Hebrew chapter 4 Jesus himself points clearly to Saturday Sabbath however egw is a flat out liar copying material visiting people on other planets say glory 3 time and off to heaven
Just a thought... it looks as if God isn't your example when it comes to the Sabbath. I can tell by reading the comments. Smh. How can that be when God is our example to follow in everything else believers say/do? Smh. Interesting...
I think you are very specific with your opinions, throwing stones directly at the Adventists. Is it from pure hatred? Let God guide you with His spirit into the scriptures..
You ask why Adventists, it is very simple. Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community. Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@samueldemas7919 Can you read? You posted a comment to which I replied and what do you do? You post a comment totally unrelated. Adventists are biblically and intellectually bankrupt. I say again: Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community. Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Are you for truth? Or is this for views/ money? If you are for truth, then you must realized the commandment in exodus 20 points back to creation. You are not being honest about the Sabbath!
You seem to have forgotten something in your comment: A Bible Verse. A case was made in this video and using the bible. Thank you for the complaint, but a post absent bible verses and explanation is simply a complaint. Try again and bring facts, data and the bible.
@@AcademyApologia This was not a complaint. It was an observation. I stated Exodus 20 as a Bible reference, because Exodus 20:8-11 discusses the observance of the sabbath, and it states, "For six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." The reason we keep Sabbath is found in Genesis... creation, it is when the Lord rested.
@@loveforthetruth9638 You dishonor and misuse the bible when stating God created the Sabbath at Creation. It is amazing how comfortable Adventists are in putting “words in Gods mouth” which were never spoken. The Hebrew transliteration of "Seventh Day" in Genesis 2:2 is "shebiith yom." The first occurrence of Sabbath in Exodus 16:23 is the Hebrew transliteration "shabbathon." The Hebrew transliteration for Sabbath in Exodus 20:8 is shabbathon Seventh day (shebiith yom) in Genesis 2 is not Sabbath (shabbathon) as used in Exodus 16 & 20. The Hebrew text does not support the existence of a Sabbath in Genesis. 2 Peter 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, *which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.*
@@AcademyApologia I've had the same conversation with you...You're pointing to the wrong word....and you doing so on purpose... You're focused on the Hebrew transliteration of "Seventh day." Instead, you should focus on the word "rested." Look up the Hebrew for rested. You now know the right word to focus on when Adventist reference the Sabbath in Genesis. What will you do? Look up the Hebrew for rested, share its meaning?
@@frazierwoods9912 OK, focus on rested *RESTED* shabath: to cease, desist, rest Transliteration: shabath _Definition: to cease, desist, rest_ *SABBATH* shabbath: sabbath Original Word: שַׁבָּת Transliteration: shabbath Phonetic Spelling: (shab-bawth') _Definition: sabbath_ *Rested* and *Sabbath* are two completely different words with different definitions. The Hebrew word for Sabbath *does not appear in the book of Genesis.* There is no Sabbath in Genesis
I have respectfully invited this viewer Frazier Woods to look at historical and Biblical explanations & given the time frame of Frazier Woods response - I doubt very seriously if he, she, or it, has taken the time which would be sufficient to seriously look at my Biblical and Historical Data. At this point in time I have chosen to stand down on this matter. "When a man or woman is honestly mistaken and hears the truth, they will either stop being mistaken or cease to be honest." Very Sincerely - An ex- SDA Church member. I have chosen not to harm any of God's Children. SINCERELY, JAMES.
FYI: just because I responded quickly does not mean that I am not willing to review the info. you shared. As a matter of fact, I gave you my email address so that we could follow-up on the points you mentioned...its clear that you did not take the time to read my comment in full. So....
Do not come to this channel and post SPAM comments. Posting a series of several comments is SPAM and lack maturity. All your other SPAM comments have been removed. And i am tired of Adventists who are not capable of addressing facts presented i videos and who post whining comments. Stick to the facts and present facts.
Hello sir. I am an adventist, but it came to the point that I started questioning a lot of Ellen's teachings that I cannot find in the bible. I really have a lot of questions to many of the teachings, currently. Please surface all the things of concern especially coming from Ellen White as I am studying it closely if it really accords with the bible. Thank you and God bless!
Read the book of Galatians from start to finish. Preferably the NLT version. Compare what Paul is saying there to Ellen's teaching. Then ask yourself who's trust worthy and who's correct. They can't both be, you have to choose. Paul or Ellen. I chose Paul.
@@redcolt777 never did I have my attention to ellen's writings. But my concern started to take place when pastors and ministers of the church were quoting her writings to explain and interpret the bible, which is kinda absurd to see
@@redcolt777 so it's really a big help when someone presents evidences of error in ellen's writing. As those writings require a lot of time to look back in the past
They are hundreds of evidence of her heretics , testimonies for the church pg 164 she says if you don’t believe her words it’s like you insulting the Holy Ghost
@@mrken1720 hi Ken, you are not alone as there are a number of X sda people here, I’m one of them, as you can see there are another 45 videos in this series and there is good information, I also found videos on CAnswers on YT particularly the 4 with Wallace Slatery, there is Former Adventist Fellowship as well and Test The Prophet. My problem with egw started when I was 6, I asked the sda church school teacher who Ellen White was his reaction was to start shaking with rage and yelling something incomprehensible and let’s just say I wasn’t very popular next sabbath at church and it just went down hill from there. Praying the The Holy Spirit will lead you into All Truth as promised in John 16:13.
Hello Jim. Lot’s of respect for you. I too am a “never was one” SDA, but have brother in law and his large family who are. The more I research, the more burdened I become because I don’t know if salvation for them is “active”? They are in a system that does not promote salvation I conclude. I would be interested in your perspective on the biblical lunar calendar as it relates to when actually the sabbath took place for the Jews. It clearly was not every 7 days as they claim. Also, a problem for them is the Samoan International date line adjustment that took place in December 2011. The distinction between Adventists and Christians there has largely been erased as they both worship on the same day! This problem for them might make it more effective in witnessing to Adventists in these island communities. High five Jim. See you on the other side my friend!
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I have not studied the Jewish lunar calendar very much, but you are right and the Jewish calendar month started afresh at each new moo, which is as you cited a re-set of the weekly sequence. Then there is the problem that the Egyptian calendar was either an 8 or 10 day calendar. This completely throws off the 7 day eternal Sabbath.
Yes, I am aware of the huge problem caused by the date line and this will be the subject of a future video.
I suggest focusing on the topics of the person of Christ and the Gospel. Adventists love to talk about the Sabbath an will defend it until you get sick.
But, they are not used to hearing and hence reading in their own literature, that Christ did not die on the cross for a single sin and that they 3 Angels Gospel is a gospel the bible twice curses and nowhere found in the bible. These are two huge and easy to prove topics. For your consideration.
I get it. The more I research and learn, I became fully convinced the SDA doctrine is Satanic. Their denial of Christs work on the cross is Satanic. Keep learning and continue to reach your brother in law as long as he will permit....
Those “two huge and easy to prove topics” are very helpful to me. Thank you eternally!! The Gospel and who Jesus is. The Bible has the plain things as the main things and the main things are the plain things. Their gospel is so complex. So, if they will listen, it is my responsibility to instigate conversation in these matters isn’t it? If I neglect them, they could be lost. I believe I’m the only one questioning their beliefs as they are isolated within their own community or system as you well know. Next week I will be watching my young niece become baptized into their wayward gospel system. This grieves my heart! I apologize for taking up your time Jim! No response necessary. I need prayer…Jesus is everything
@@davidrose4946 I am sorry to read of your niece going into indoctrination/baptism. Perhaps you will at some point have the opportunity to share the true Christ with her and that she can then see the difference. I will pray for you.
Yes, you ought to open conversations and when you can share the true Christ and true gospel with these Adventists. But if they ask you to stop, then respect their wishes. But, keep talking to them until they renounce Adventism or ask you to quit.
My wife and I have been listening to your Defeating Adventism series for over a year. I just wanted to say that what you’re is inspiring. Your knowledge of Adventism is impressive, especially considering that you were not raised in it. We are both former Adventist’s ourselves who left 20 years ago. Even after all this time, listening to you as well as others such as Nikki and Colleen from the Former Adventist Podcast helps us to continue to deprogram from the cultic Adventist worldview. Thank you for doing this series! (And as for this particular video, great catch with Nehemiah 9:13-14! I don’t remember ever seeing that verse before.)
Thank you for stopping by and thank you for letting me know you are out there. This channel exists for several reasons and you are specifically one of the target audiences. I know from decades of personal dealings with a variety of cults and non-Christian groups that it can take years to flush out out the non-Christian indoctrination. I too listen to Nikki and Colleen and enjoy their podcasts very much.
I learned this from who I call my silent partner (a former Adventist that must remain quiet and in the background due to the threats of violence he and his family endure from Adventists once they departed the church). It was he who brought this to my attentions and it is he who deserves the credit. Thank you. again
@@AcademyApologia One more thing I wanted to mention was that several months ago, my wife and I started looking up and highlighting all passages in the Clear Word "Bible" that diverged from Christianity in order to support Adventism. If you want to know what Adventism really believes about almost anything, then look no further. Adventists betray their true beliefs time and again within this single book. It is really astounding how many additions to, and subtractions from, Scripture are made to support their own heretical beliefs.
For example, their manipulated version of Hebrews 10:12 says that Christ "went to sit down again at the right hand of God because his work on earth was done". The "because his work on earth was done" addition clearly was intended to support their Investigative Judgment doctrine that Christ's work was completed on earth but not in Heaven.
To my knowledge, I'm not aware of anyone doing a comprehensive dive into the Clear Word. Maybe I'll do a series on it myself if I ever start my own channel or website. But for now, I thought I'd mention it as something to consider if you are ever looking for more Adventist material to mine.
@@robh2255 Yes, do and expose of the Clear Word. This needs to be done and it appears you have already dome much work. I for one would be most interested in seeing this presentation.
That means that you have not fortified your mind with the truths of the Bible, otherwise you would not be deceived. Get a good study Bible and compare the commentaries in the study Bible with AA.
@@loyal7790 Thank you for being just one of dozens of whinny and complaining Adventists who cannot craft a comment refuting any facts in the presented video.
Thank You Sir. I was not born into SDA - but I did question quite a few of their teachings - That was a Big mistake. I have been shunned as a result and the victim of a "witch hunt" - of which the Pastor - by the name of Mark Farrell of SDA Central Church here in San Francisco - ruled this "witch hunt" (my words not his) was "well intended". (his words not mine) and he now claims he did not have any knowledge of it - beforehand OR during the execution of. I do sincerely want to Thank You as you are correcting false doctrines and you Sir are leading ME MORE CLOSELY to the truth contained in The Bible. When I first came into that church my mother had just died and I was a complete "trainwreck". At that time I was not a Bible Scholar - but now I am learning. I just lost an old SDA friend today as a matter of fact - by showing him scripture - in an attempt to bring him to God's truth. He dismissed me and said that is only "my interpretation of scripture - stating that my views were that of "The Catholic Church". When I asked him to expand of that - he said "I don't have time." So I said goodbye and that was that. I am hoping and praying that God in heaven will lead me and keep me as I am now suffering. THANK YOU FOR BIBLE TRUTH. I will continue to watch and learn. JAMES here in San Francisco.
Praying for you! Gods with you. The Holy Spirit will guide you
I think my sda mother would have preferred me to turn catholic rather than Pentecostal 🤣 on the surface sda seems christian but the further you dig the more distant it becomes from Biblical truths. My problem with egw started when I was 6 in the sda church school the teacher was Ellen White said this… Ellen White said that… I asked “who is Ellen White” and he started shaking with rage and yelling something incomprehensible, I got ripped into by my mother after school and that was just a taste of what came on the next sabbath ! They don’t like free thinking and they don’t like The Bible being quoted to back The Bible.
@@davidblowe9096 " think my sda mother would have preferred me to turn catholic rather than Pentecosta" No so much big diffrence, catholcis have same charismatic movement and doing copelately the same think like your stream.
@@BeniaminZaboj such as ?
@@davidblowe9096 Catholic Charismatic Movement - Speaking in Pentecostal version of tonques, doing pentecostal verions of healings, having "word of knowlege, prophecies" E V E R Y T H I N G
COPIED pentecostalism Puted to Catholciism since years 60 in 20 ceuntry.
Ofcourse this fact make me rejecting charismatic theology, there is now milions of milions catholic charismatics.
If the Sabbath is eternal (and salvific according to Ellen White), why wouldn't Paul have instructed it extensively (or even once) to the Gentiles? Why set them, and Christians, up for failure? Honest question.
Question like that are bound to get you excommunicated 🤣
Honest question. But, you're missing key parts that must be considered.
Part 1. Obedience to God (by faith) is salvific. See Romans 8:1-4, John 14:15. I believe the Bible is clear about the principle of obedience by faith.
Part 2. Did Paul observe the Sabbath? I believe that he did (see Acts 17:2-3 and compare it with Luke 4:16). If Paul did not observe the Sabbath, obvious questions arise that must be answered. For example, why would God change Saul to Paul to preach/teach an alternative to the Sabbath or no Sabbath at all - when God Himself created the Sabbath?
Part 3. The Gentile question is always interesting. Read Acts 13:42-44. During the time of the New Testament, the only "Bible" that was available to them was the Old Testament. The disciples, Paul, teachers of the law, Gentiles, etc. only had the Old Testament available to them. Therefore, if you're preaching and teaching Jesus Christ (as Paul and others did) and having baptisms of thousands of people, what other piece of info. are you sharing with them regarding living as a believer/accepting salvation other than the Old Testament? None.
Part 4. The notion that Paul is setting anyone up for failure is a false notion. See part 1. Paul, as a preacher/teacher, taught salvation by faith - not salvation by works. This is very clear in scripture. Additionally, any blame toward Paul is really God's fault - He's the one who converted Saul to Paul. Right?
Part 5. If anything, it would be necessary for Paul to instruct the Gentiles to observe Sunday instead of Sabbath. The Sabbath was known in this time as every Jew observed the Sabbath and the Gentiles knew that Jews observed the Sabbath (see point 3). Again, in the NT times, if you were a follower of the One True God, you observed the Sabbath (along with the other commands).
What Paul did for the Gentiles is preach/teach against salvation by works (Acts 15:1-2, 5). People who reject the Sabbath always misuse Acts 15. Its plain as day that circumcision is the issue. Is being circumcised one of the ten commandments? No. But circumcision is one of the customs of the Jews. They made this custom salvific-not God. Paul had a problem with this and called this a yoke (verse 10), the Gentiles were preached the gospel (verse 7), and a final decision was made (verses 19-22). This Sabbath command is never in question here. Circumcision is the topic. That's basic reading comprehension. Gentile believers of God obeyed the Sabbath just as the Jews did.
In all of the NT, the question of whether or not one should observe the Sabbath doesn't exist. In those times, again, they only had the OT as their Bible b/c the NT wasn't written like we have it today. Any conclusion that the Sabbath was done away with or abolished, etc. in the NT is flat out a misinterpretation of scripture. Simple and plain.
Right and Paul and other Apostles never taught Sabbath keeping. But then again, Adventists will read into the Scriptures (eisegesis) words and meaning that does not exist, such as the Apostle Paul being a Sabbath Keeper. They do not realize the Scripture never states Paul Kept the Sabbath, but went to Synagogue to preach Christ, not to worship.
@@frazierwoods9912 Adventists who claim that the Apostle Paul went to Jewish Synagogues to worship show their ignorance of the Bible and first-Century Jewish Synagogue practices and purposes. Flawed reasoning is employed by Adventists who equate visiting a Synagogue with engaging in Jewish synagogue worship. The Apostle Paul did not visit Synagogues to engage in worship, he visited synagogues to preach the Gospel to unbelieving Jews (Acts 13:23; 26; 38). The Adventist *cannot* show from scriptures that Apostle Paul went to Synagogue to worship, the Scriptures do show the Apostle Paul went to Synagogue to *preach Christ and Him Crucified.*
The first account of the Apostle Paul visiting a synagogue is Acts 13.
First century Jewish Synagogues had an order of Sabbath service strictly related to the Law and the Prophets which did not include worship of the Messiah Jesus since their leaders (Pharisees and Sadducees) just crucified Christ. My source is “The Life and Epistles of St. Paul” by Rev. W.J. Conybear and Rev. J.S. Howson (1869). I assume this source is without question since Ellen White copied profusely from the 1852 edition of this book 91 separate times to use in her book “The Spirit of Prophecy of Prophecy-Vol. 3” (“The White Lie” by Walter Rea-pages 331-352). I cite pages 176 and 177 of Conybear and Howson below.
First century Jewish synagogue worship separated men and women, read from the book [singular] of the law and the prophets which was stored in the Ark which was situated nearest Jerusalem. The Law was read in Hebrew and the prophets were also read which was followed by the Targum. This was then followed by allowing strangers and visitors to address the synagogue and Sabbath service concluded with an address by the “Reader” telling of the sufferings of this chosen people. This is the order of service we see cited Acts 13:15.
The Apostle went to the synagogue (Acts 13:14) and according to the order of Jewish Sabbath service, was presented the opportunity to address the audience (Acts 13:15). Paul addresses the Jews and proclaims Jesus as the Savior (Acts 13:23;26) because he knows their leaders reject the Messiah (Acts 13:27), but he preaches forgiveness of sins through Jesus which is freedom from the law of Moses (Acts 13:38-39). The Apostle is not engaged in worship, but is engaged in evangelism because the gospel was to go to the Jew first and then the Gentiles (Romans 1:16; 2:9). The Apostle Paul is preaching freedom from the law of Moses (Acts 13:39) and forgiveness of sins through Christ (Acts 13:38). To say Paul is engaged in Jewish worship which is a rejection of the Messiah is to engage in an abuse of the Holy Scriptures.
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1. Nothing in my comment says that Paul went to the synagogue to worship. Smh. What Sabbath objectors don't understand is that God is to be worshipped everyday - the Sabbath is a day to observe...its a day of rest. Smh.
2. Paul said, "follow me as I follow Christ." What relevance does this have if Paul did not observe Sabbath? None.
3. I agree, Paul taught/preached Christ (the gospel). I said as much already in part 4.
4. Lastly, your being literal regarding scripture has its place. But its also a hinderance to your ability to reason w/out a "literal text." You don't choose to or you don't practice basic rules of Bible interpretation. You don't read contextually. Take care and have a good day.
Jesus was born under law, circumcised on the eight day of life, and observed all Hebrew festivals, new moons, and sabbath. He also purposely broke sabbaton to teach jews something greater than the temple was in their midst. Jesus is not a model. Jesus is a king and a redeemer. New covenant believers don’t and can’t observe an ancient and abrogated Hebrew ritual law which was a weekly feast day. New covenant believers aren’t Jews. No one is a Jew. The entire Jewish system was obliterated at Calvary. It’s non existent.
If we were supposed to observe the sabbath, why would say come to him for rest? Because Jesus takes place of the day. Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets, and the shadow of that covenant. 🙄
Where in the bible did Jesus become our Sabbath rest??????
Please forgive me for this. I am a lifelong SDA with serious questions (the Sabbath being at the heart of them). With regards to the Sabbath, how do we interpret Matthew 5:17 and Colossians 2:16 among other verses?
While I currently question my own beliefs, my views of the Sabbath are vested in my understanding of the observance of the sanctity of the seventh day of the week. I still don’t yet fully understand the concept of resting in Jesus.
At this time I am questioning so much of what I spent my life believing but can’t wrap my mind around how we can be under grace and not under the law. I have heard you argue otherwise, but view the existence of law being necessary for the emergence of grace. I know that it is a very Adventist and thoroughly indoctrinated view.
While I understand the fact that God’s Law must be written in our hearts, I struggle to see how that differs from so much of I what I spent my life believing. Maybe it’s because we use so much of the same terminology that we convince ourselves of our similarities of belief and worship when they may be completely different after all.
Thanks for stopping by and being willing to be a good Berean (Acts 17:10-15) and test all things by the Scripture. Let's take your questions one at a time. You cited Matthew 5:17,but with no additional comment. i am going to assume the standard SDA assumption when I see this verse and that is "Jesus did not come to destroy the Law and this proves the continued existence of the law." Is that right?
I have a "ready to go" reply to this common SDA bible citation. here i what I will do. I will past that reply below,but keep in mind, this is not directed at you personally, this is a "ready to go comment" when SDA cite Matthew 5:17. I always want the SDA to know they have misquoted Jesus as some SDA care if they misquote Christ and virtually all so because they have been taught or let me say, incorrectly taught what Jesus actually said in Matthew 5. So read this comment below, which will explain Matthew and again remember this is not directed at you, this is a ready to go comment for Matthew 5:17, but what it does do is teach this passage accurately. After reading this comment, you will have an accurate understanding of Matthew 5:17
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Do you realize you just misquoted Jesus and completely distorted His words? Read the whole verse and accurately quote what Jesus said *He did not come to destroy.* Notice Jesus said he was not going to destroy -“the Law or the Prophets.” You just focus on the _Law_ and ignore _the Prophets._ However, Jesus said he was not coming to destroy two things: The Law and The Prophets.
The phrase “Law and Prophets” is a reference to the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). There are 9 references to “The Law and Prophets” in the New Testament [below] and every time it is a reference to the entire Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). Your only quote the “Law” and ignore “The Prophets” and in doing so, you misquote Jesus.
For example, Jesus as the coming Messiah was foretold in the Hebrew Scriptures (Law and Prophets). There is an account of Phillip who describes his discovery of Jesus and realizes Jesus is the Messiah spoken of in the “Law and the Prophets” or the Hebrew Scriptures:
John 1:45 ESV “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, *"We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote,* [Hebrew Scriptures] Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
Jesus said he did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures (The Law and the Prophets). He did not separate the Law from the Prophets, that is what you just did in you misquote of Christ. Are you so comfortable misquoting Jesus? You should not and you need to cease misquoting my Savior immediately.
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Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish *the Law or the Prophets;* I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
Matthew 7:12 "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is *the Law and the Prophets.”*
Matthew 11:13 “For all *the Prophets and the Law* prophesied until John”
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments depend all *the Law and the Prophets."*
Luke 16:16 *"The Law and the Prophets* were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.”
John 1:45 “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found him of whom Moses in *the Law and also the prophets* wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
Acts 13:15 “After the reading from *the Law and the Prophets,* the rulers of the synagogue sent a message to them, saying, "Brothers, if you have any word of encouragement for the people, say it."
Acts 28:23 “When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from *the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.”*
Romans 3:21 “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although *the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it”*
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Thank you so much for your time and elaborate response to my questions. May you and your ministry be blessed
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@@VuyoWakaba Good and do you now see that Jesus no where said he did not come to "Destroy the Law", but He did say that "He did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures?" We can continue discussing this one or move to another if you wish
@@AcademyApologia I also notice how Paul frequently attended the synagogue on Sabbaths to reach out to Jews as Acts 17:1-4 states. Acts 13:43 speaks of gentiles attendining the synagogue on Sabbaths as Jewish converts while Matthew 5:17 speaks to Christ’s fulfilment of the Law as his completion of the Law through His death and resurrection. References to Christ’s observance of the Sabbath as found in Matthew 12, Mark 2:23-28, and Luke 6:1-5 are related to the fact that He came to Earth during the Old Testament and was subject to the same laws as a Jew.
Paul states in Romans 10:4 that righteousness does not come from keeping the law while Galatians 5:18 reminds us that we must be led by the Holy Spirit and not rely on the law for our salvation.
Unfortunately I have found several texts that make Adventist doctrine questionable and how we sometimes interpret the Bible is in violation of Proverbs 3:5-7. We rely so much on EG White and the views of our clergy that we ignore Isiah 1:18 that encourages us to reason with the Lord. It is very sad that our thinking capacities are limited by quotes from Ellen White. A book I am reading at present is Seventh Day Adventist Renounced by DM Canright. I have found it exceptionally interesting and regret not reading it sooner.
Truth will always stand up to examination and if false will whither under scrutiny. We need to be more open to testing our worldviews as salvation is at stake.
@@VuyoWakaba Truth will always stand up to examination - Amen to this, I was like you after hearing uncomfortable things about Adventism, I decided to research into all the sources on Adventism and while still an Adventist read DM Canrights book among other ones as well as doing the challenge of not reading the Bible through the lenses of EGW. I found it so fascinating how Adventism twists not only the Biblical gospel, but also twists the words of others who have come out of it.
Good luck with your searching - but know once you see the true light of the gospel, its impossible to go back.
Technically Adventists make God a violator of their law. Because we live on a globe the Sabbath actually lasts 48 hours not 24 hours. The period of time the first little Polynesian Adventists opens Sabbath, to the time when another little Polynesian Adventist closes Sabbath on an island on the other side of the date line is 48 hours. Therefore If God wants to "keep Sabbath" with all of Earth's Adventists he needs to rest from his labours for two days and in doing so he violates the first part of the 4th commandment "6 days shall you labour ". But of course logic and facts play no part in Adventism....
redcolt777
You wrote, “Because we live on a globe the Sabbath actually lasts 48 hours not 24 hours.”
Jesus says, something different than redcolt777
“9 Jesus answered, Are there not *twelve hours* in
the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth
not, because he seeth the *light* of this world. John 11:9
10 But if a man walk in *the night,* he stumbleth,
because there is no light in him. John 11:10
*How does Genesis 1:5 describe the day?*
“Evening and morning”
The Bible says that the Seventh day is the Sabbath.
So according to your logic there is two seventh days in a week totaling 48 hours.
*Really?*
*What Bible text do you give for the International Date Line?*
“But of course logic and facts play no part in Adventism....”
Unless you can prove from the Bible that God created the International Date Line in the creation of the week (7 days ) on a round world then just maybe *your logic isn’t really the truth.*
@@JD-zg4kg erm.... you do realise that the sun rises and sets at different times depending where you are on the planet? Or are you one of those SDA flat earthers?
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You wrote, "erm.... you do realise that the sun rises and sets at different times depending where you are on the planet?"
Sir, I was in the United States Navy stationed on the Flight Deck of an Aircraft Carrier, I have friends that have been around the world five times. Do you think that I don't know "that the sun rises and sets at different times depending where you are on the planet?"
Evidently, you are avoiding what I asked you.
You wrote, “Because we live on a globe the Sabbath actually lasts *48* hours *not 24* hours.”
So I will ask you again.
*How does Genesis 1:5 describe the day?*
The Bible says that the Seventh day is the Sabbath.
So according to your logic there is *two seventh days in a week totaling 48 hours.*
*Really?*
*What Bible text do you give for the International Date Line?*
“But of course logic and facts play no part in Adventism....”
Unless you can prove from the Bible that God created the International Date Line in the creation of *the week (7 days )* on a round world then just maybe *your logic isn’t really the truth.*
You Wrote, "Or are you one of those SDA flat earthers?"
*Is that what the Official Position of SDA Church teaches, "flat" earth?*
*Really?*
@@JD-zg4kg I am currently in West Australia. We are approximately 8 hours ahead of London UK. Therefore if I were to open the Sabbath sunset Friday in Perth, hop on a plane and close Sabbath in London Sunset Saturday, my Sabbath would have been a duration of 32 hours. I don't need to use the Bible to establish that. However as the Sabbath was given exclusively to Israel for use in geographical Israel, then the Sabbath was confined in those circumstances to a 24 hour period. If you want the Sabbath to apply to all people in all geographical locations then the Sabbath lasts for 48 hours. And by the way, I'm not your student and I don't have to answer your stupid questions or engage in your eisegetic 'bible studies' leaping all over the bible here a little there a little. You're a halfwit... you have to be a halfwit to be SDA. it goes with the territory. It's a requirement to be completely ignorant of biblical, church, and world history and apparently geography.
@@redcolt777
Amazing response.
*So did Adam enter into God's rest on that first seventh day in creation?*
Wow! Love this channel! As I am sure you know this already but they also say that the Sabbath will be continuing in Heaven! And they base this on Isaiah 66: 22-23 but they fail to continue reading which in verse 24 which starts with "AND" “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” - So will we also be looking at dead bodies in Heaven?! Of course not!
One MAJOR problem with this is this: Revelation 21: 23 and Rev. 22: 5 both say that there is no more moon, sun or night! And since the sabbath began at sundown my question to ALL SDA's is this: Since there is no more moon, sun or night - when exactly will we be keeping the sabbath in Heaven? We won't be! Another false teaching!
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. There is a saying: 'If all you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail." All Adventism has is the Sabbath and therefore they see Sabbath keeping everywhere, even as you highlighted (Rev. 21:23) in the most silly of places where there will be *no sun or moon.*
@@AcademyApologia Great to have found you! I found you on Former Adventists Australia watching Billy Crone. Like yourself I have thousands of hours researching all the occults, cults etc and mine too started about 20 years ago! I too have mainly focused on SDA's - they are by far the slyest in their wickedness!
I can tell by watching just a few of your videos you are a man after the truth and a love for the lost, very rare these days! Would you please do me a favor, and pray for my wife and our 5 children, who unfortunately are in Adventism. I married my wife nearly 20 years ago not knowing anything about SDA's at the time, but this is what started my journey on researching. And like you, I want to have an answer for anyone who approaches me with falsehood.
As with most (not all) SDA's remind me of the teachers of the law of Jesus's time, stiff necked and hard hearted, no desire for the truth. I want my wife and children to have a hunger and thirst for truth, so please pray for that, I am grateful for you!
You said *_the word sabbath does not occur in the entire book of genesis_*
Answer:
Whats interesting is the fact that the very word for "He rested" is "shabath" matter of fact the word seventh day always means sabbath where do I get this interpretation from lets read exodus 20:11
" For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it".
Notice how it uses the word sabbath for seventhday interchangeably its because the seventh day sanctification by default is the sabbath that is why sanctification of the seventh day means sanctification of sabbath
and the term sanctified in genesis 2:2-3 means to set apart for a apointed holy time.The words "He hallowed" can have no meaning otherwise.They could be a blank unless required to keep it holy.
you said_*Does the seventh day adventist god need rest*_
Answer:
That is pure eisegesis it shows you my friend havent read the bible in its context or did not allow the bible to interpret itself regarding the word rest lets read isaiah 14:3
"And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve".
Here the word rest in its context means to cease from work that is why you find sabbath keepers going to churches and worshipping god by ceasing work and not just merely sleep throughout the sabbath day
You said_*Here is a sabbath command which says don't leave your house*_
Answer:
My brother in christ if we were to accept this interpolation of the text we should conclude that Jesus christ based on your logic is a sinenr for in luke 4:16 we read
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read".
Didnt jesus leave his house to attend church?You overlook the fact that this command in exo 16:29 applied only to gathering manna. "Let no man go out of his place on the seventh day" must be linked with God's words in verse 25: "Today is a sabbath unto the Lord: today ye shall not find it in the field." When some did go out to gather on the seventh day, God met them with a rebuke for breaking His law (verses 27, 28).
You said_*The sabbath does not apply in general to gentiles though there were some occasions*_
Answer:
That means you haven't read the holy bible in its entirety my brother in christ for we read in isaiah 56:4-7
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
it says God will give a everlasting name to all people who keep the sabbath if this isn't enough the final nail in the coffin is in mark 2:27 which reads:
"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath".
did it say the sabbath was made for the jews?Why read into the text the words jew?Why tapdance over this text to mean what it does not mean?
even god calls himself the god of israel in isaiah 45 does that mean he wasnt the god of the entire world and kingdoms existing at that time?please think before you saying anything else my friend
Note:This is part 1 of my response to this video more parts coming up later as I have a tight schedule and had to squeeze for time to write comments.
@@johnseventhday9145 John....don't waste your time. Seriously. Its not worth it. ***The presenter won't listen. He refuses to reason with scripture.*** I've given this same info. to him and it went ignored by him and his followers of this channel. Do. Not. Waste. Your. Time. You've done enough already.
@@ineedrest7 No i still think he is a sincere christian he believes in the trinity and has a zeal for god maybe he thinks we are trolls but I can't blame him many cults like the jw and other conspiracy theorists just troll everything they see lets just hope the presenter who is our brother in christ understands our intent and the plain biblical truth and thank you for your advice may god bless you and your family.
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No problem.
I don't know you, but I hear your heart in this comment.
I respect that.
I was just sharing my experience and suggestion.
Prayerfully, the seed will fall on good ground with you. Blessings to you and your family as well.
These answers to the presenters claims are soaked in truth!!!! Take note!!!
Farewell.....
This channel isn't for those who question the presenter...if you object to the presentation you'll be ignored...
Isaiah 8:20...John 16:13...1 Peter 5:8...2 Tim. 3:16-17....Romans 8:1-4...Rev. 14:12....Rev. 12:17...Isa. 58:13-14...
Mr. Woods, we wish you would fulfill your broken promises.
Hosea 2:11
New King James Version
11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease,
Her feast days,
Her New Moons,
Her Sabbaths-
All her appointed feasts.
Read the whole book of Hebrews in context, the rest that God gives us is sooooo not a day, but something so much more. No human law (no Sunday law) can take away that what God gives us. His rest we enter by faith and no law and no life circumstances can take that away! How superficial is the Adventist understanding of that rest! It is actually really sad how they ignore the Bible in context! Sticking to just proof texts as they do, one can easily defend almost anything and claim it’s biblical.
Your point is well taken and any Adventist who has the courage to break away from Ellen White books and just read the bible alone and let it speak, will soon come to realize Adventism teaches error.
It is the dishonesty from Adventism that causes 50% of their members to ultimately leave the Adventist Church. Sadly, it's mostly only after years and sometimes decades of wasting their lives in a cult, that not only misrepresented the teachings of the Catholic Church but all of Christianity. The followers of the Adventist movement put their trust in the SDA, that they were telling the truth, only to find out they were being lied to. Many times, it leads to a sad disillusionment from which is never recovered. I can't imagine how angry God is with the Adventist Church over their desire money and members and dishonest gain. Let every person who reads this examine their hearts and do the right thing.
@@polycarpsmith1419 You have addressed one of the big problems. The average SDA believes their organization has been honest with them, but when they find out they have been lied to, they became angry and distrust all religion, even the truth.
@@AcademyApologia What shall be the end of those that do such things!
@@polycarpsmith1419 Unless they, the Adventist reject the fake Jesus of Adventism and come to the true Christ of the bible, they have a bleak eternity:
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (23) And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
What do you think on the "Sunday law" coming into place as they say, I can't find any proof for it.
Sunday law will not come into place because nor Sunday is true sabbath neither Saturday is true sabbath
You just cited a perfect example. If Ellen White's only function is to point people to the bible, then where in the bible do we find a future "Sunday Law that will result in Sunday keepers hunting down and killing Sabbath keepers?" You and I will wait until the end of time for an Adventist to provide a bible verse that substantiates the Sunday Law.
I can find the Sunday Law in the Great Controversy, but it is absent from the bible and this one teaching alone proves that Adventists have beliefs NOT found in the bible and Sola Scriptura in Adventism is a farce.
Just I see a lot of talk and video's floating about with this Sunday law and the pope is going to announce it 🙄
This is somewhat of the topic but what do you think about the bible been founded on astrology, i mean most things correlate with each other. Just be good to hear other Christians opinion.
@@tomhall2346 The one reason Adventist loudly proclaim the future Sunday law is simply because it is in the future. We have a record of Ellen Whit prophecies and they are a record of utter failure. Because the Sunday Law is a future event, there is not "proof" yet of its failure as the other Ellen White prophecies. The Sunday Law scare has resulted in a lot of conspiracy theory Adventists always looking for the next news article.
There are lots of theories on how the bible was supposedly founded, but there is not evidence. The bible message and foundation is Jesus and this starts in Genesis 3:15. The bibles foundation and common theme is Jesus Christ and what he did. Jesus came to the world as the only pure/sinless sacrifice for sin and died on the cross for all who believe Him as Savoir and He was raised from the dead, defeating death. That is the message and foundation of the Bible.
Sunday law is a nosnense - for them to egxist for adventism govement can't only fordbid going to shop at sunday but must do literally sabbath observance from the law of moses in all prescriptions for entire country at Sounday instead of Satruday. By same this fact people should leave advnetism after realising that, becasue it prove absurdity of myth in what they are in sabatarian advnetistism.
Gen 2:1-2 the word sabbath does not appear in these verses it just states that GOD had finished HIS creation or ceased creating, verse 3 states that GOD blessed and sanctified the 7th day because he had finished - ceased - i.e. rested from HIS creation.
The word sabbath does not appear until Ex 16:23, there is no reference to Adam, Seth, Enoch , Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Joseph "keeping" the or a 7th day sabbath.
At Ex 16:23 Moses is passing an instruction to the Hebrew people, verse 26 Moses is telling the people that GOD has provided two day's worth of food for you - so there is no need to go out looking for more.
We don't find sabbath being a command until Ex 20:8 and it is a command to the Hebrew people.
There is NO reference to Adam or anyone else "keeping the sabbath" until Ex 16:23 and then it is an instruction to the Hebrew people.
If SDA's are so serious about "keeping" the sabbath why don't they enforce Ex 31:14 and 15 ? that is a sabbath command.
David, Google Common Objections for Not Keeping Sabbath - there you're see the following answer and many others...
The word 'Sabbath' does not appear in Genesis 2:2-3, therefore, God did not make the Sabbath on the 7th day of creation."
Answer: Actually, the word Sabbath does appear in this verse. The word "rested" in Genesis 2, verses 2 and 3, is Hebrew word #7673, "shabath", which is the root word for "Sabbath." Shabath means "to cease or rest", and it is from this that the Sabbath gets its meaning as "a day of rest." To paraphrase the account in Genesis 2:2-3, "God sabbathed on the seventh day from all His work, and God blessed it and sanctified it." The Hebrew language is clear and unambiguous in its intent. The sabbath day is a holy day, for God has sanctified it. He has separated and distinguished it from the rest of the days of the week
There are many different Hebrew words for the word "rested", but "shabath" is used often in reference to the sabbath (Genesis 2:2-3; 8:22-"cease", Exodus 5:5; 16:30, 23:12; 31:17; 34:21, Leviticus 23:32-"celebrate"; 25:2-"keep"; 26:34-35, II Chronicles 36:21-"sabbath"). For example, the Hebrew word "shabath" is in Exodus 16:30, when the people sabbathed on the seventh day. Verse 29 mentions the sabbath specifically. Also, Exodus 31:17 explains that the sabbath was made at creation, and even quotes from Genesis 2:2! In addition, the word "shabath" is actually translated as "sabbath" in II Chronicles 36:21!
God chose to cease from His labor, not because He was tired (Isaiah 40:28), but because He wanted to set an example for all mankind. The seventh day sabbath is as ancient as the earth!
@@frazierwoods9912 you say Ex 31:17 explains the sabbath was made at creation. No it does not! It partly says what Genesis 2:2 says. "... for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He reated and was refreshed".
But verse 17 of chapter 31 is MORE than that in its entirety. V17a speaks of the sabbath being a sign between the ISRAELITES and God.....this is absent from Gen 2:2
Dude, even the "refreshed" is absent from Gen 2:2
Still, Gen 2:2 fails to provide evidence that God commanded the sabbath, hence the reason why Adam and Eve aren't recorded observing the sabbath.
@@LoCoWi I did not say that Ex. 31:17 "explains" the Sabbath was made at creation. Do go back and re-read this comment. Smh. Since you acknowledge that the Sabbath is a sign, where did the Sabbath first begin? In Genesis!! Look at the Hebrew for rested - its right there in front of you - do your own research. You're looking for your questions to be recorded but you're avoiding what you can discover if/when you study. Again, do your own research. Everything I've told you is in the Bible if you look for it.
@@ineedrest7 Exodus 16 is where the Sabbath is FIRST commanded. Exodus 16 is where the Sabbath is FIRST observed.
Show me scripture from Genesis any human obeying a "sabbath" commandment from God.
@@LoCoWi Smh.
***You're looking for a command when you should be looking for an establishment.***
Read Exod. 16:23-26.
Question: Why can't they gather on the Sabbath?
Answer: Because the Sabbath is holy.
Question: Where did Moses get that from? How does Moses know that the Sabbath is a holy day?
Answer: Genesis 2 - when the Sabbath was established by God.
***It (the Sabbath) was established first, then later, it was commanded. The Bible is clear.***
We have historical records of the time after John wrote Revelation. The early Christians were not working 6 days and "keeping" the 7th until the Catholic Church "changed" it. One of those records is Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the magnesians. (Ignatius of Antioch most likely knew John personally). They were meeting together on the first day of the week since the day Christ's tomb was empty, and they called it "The Lord's Day". The same wording John used in Revelation. Yet many people presented with historical fact, will actually decide to believe a woman who said she would be among the living 144,000 when Christ returns. She got history and the future wrong.
You are absolutely correct and the letters of this Apostle to the Apostle John by Ignatius alone refute Adventism. But in the late 1880's a manuscript of the Didache was discovered which is a record of 1st century Christian practices and worship was on Sunday.
There is no scripture in the Bible that says "The Sabbath is eternal"Ellen White is famous for adding to the Bible "Keep the sabbath holy "this command was not repeated in the New Testament and it is not a requirement for Christians to observe Holy days Thanks for this video
Thanks for stopping by and you are right. There is perhaps no other Adventist argument for the Sabbath that is easier to refute than there "The Sabbath was created in Genesis 2" It is impossible to have a "Sabbath" origin in Genesis when the Hebrew word for Sabbath is absent in this entire book? This the Adventist non-Sabbath; Sabbath.
@@AcademyApologia
You wrote, "There is perhaps no other Adventist argument for the Sabbath that is easier to refute than there "The Sabbath was created in Genesis 2" It is impossible to have a "Sabbath" origin in Genesis when the Hebrew word for Sabbath is absent in this entire book? This the Adventist non-Sabbath; Sabbath."
שבת שבת
What is the difference between these two?
One is the verb and the other a noun.
*So tell us AcademyApologia is the verb ever translated in English Bibles as "Sabbath?"*
“σαββατισμός sabbatismos, is a noun.”
“The verb form of the word is σαββατίζω sabbatizo”
Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament
“σαββατισμός (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath) Joseph Thayer, Thayer’s GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the New Testament
In Genesis 2:2, 3 God "Sabbathed"
*Is the word "Jesus" in Genesis 1 & 2, is it impossible to have Jesus in Genesis 1 & 2 when the Hebrew word for Jesus isn't in Genesis 1 & 2?*
How foolish that would be to think that, right?
Its obvious that Jesus is found in other Bible texts to prove that Jesus was there.
As I said, God "Sabbathed" [ verb שבת ] on the seventh day and sanctified it that Adam and the human race would keep it holy in honour of the Creator.
@@JD-zg4kg
How about we stick to the English speaking bible the King James Bible that God gave us in English.
The sabbath was given to Israel, a Jewish nation, which we are not.
Never was the sabbath given before Moses, just as the King James bible has stated.
God speaks to us in English for the English speaking people.
We don't add to God's word, that is not there.
So by adding your supposed Greek translation doesn't give it a right answer.
@@JD-zg4kg This is simple, you cannot have a Sabbath when the Hebrew word for Sabbath as used in Exodus 20:8 does not exist in Genesis. You misuse and abuse the Hebrew to suit your false doctrines when the Hebrew in Genesis 2:2 is defined as: cease, deist and rest. Adventism relies on the use of "rest" and refuses to acknowledge "cease" and deist" are also accurate translations. The Hebrew Sabbath in Exodus 20:8 is not found in the book of Genesis. You can continue to search for verbs, I search of the actual word Sabbath and it is not in Genesis. Your idol is the Sabbath and it is not supported by Scripture:
Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.”
@@amazonwarrior5584
You wrote, "How about we stick to the English speaking bible the King James Bible that God gave us in English.
The sabbath was given to Israel, a Jewish nation, which we are not."
*Who is the New Covenant given to?*
Hosea 2:11
New King James Version
11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease,
Her feast days,
Her New Moons,
Her Sabbaths-
All her appointed feasts.
OH! No, you just showed the Sabbath was suspended by God, which does not make the Sabbath a constant through time...
I wonder if EGW will have a seat of honor like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Moses and David?
Ellen White is likely on fire for Jesus. She now knows the one true Jesus and not the one she helped create. She may be in a room with Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, Mary Baker Eddy, James White, J.N. Andrews, etc.
This question made my day 😂. She probably has the special place in eternal lake of fire. Which is very sad, because for Jesus each person is loved very much and he's in pain seeing even one of us dying.
@@liepa7768 i often say of the Seventh-day Adventist "They are gong to hell with bibles in their hands." This fact alone ought to persuade Christians to evangelize the SDA.
@@liepa7768 That is what you think by being a judge.
@@AcademyApologia The SDAs will sit beside Jesus on His thrown.
SDA: "if you don't keep the 4th commandment (Sabbath ), you are bound for hell".
SDA: " if you trass under foot the 6th commandment by killing the unborn, you are truly saved anď a real SDA member".
This cult fit the same category as a Walt Disney character
First of all you egregiously misrepresented the sda position we never said that those who do not keep the sabbath are bound to hell.All we say is that it be difficult for arrogant people like yourself who do not even accept they are commiting a sin and instead justify it like muhammad did thats where you fall from grace does that mean all sunday keepers will go to hell ofcourse not most sunday keepers will be in heaven than sabbath keepers I as a sda attest to this but when the mandatory sunday law comes and if you still keep sunday then you be bound to hell
@@johnseventhday9145 Is it worth it to debate anything with an ill informed and uneducated SDA cult member who don't know his own denomination publications?
@@johnseventhday9145 sounds to me like your pushing the Ellen White train with all that information, that is ONLY from her false interpretations.
The bible says none of that.
Ellen White is NOT the bible !!
@@amazonwarrior5584 I peronally believe that this person/ JD and F Woods are one and the same
Specially if you look at when the profiles was created
Anyway, he don't debate nobody, just make a statement and then run off
@@amazonwarrior5584 You said *_The bible says none of that_*
Answer:
So you believe that we as christians did not receive grace from the penalty of not keeping the law through Jesus christ?
Could you do a video diving into exposing the clear word Bible which is officially published by review and herald even to this day, and how many churches and Adventist use that as their main Bible and sermons and reading? It actually has hundreds if not thousands of verses that have added commentary to different verses.
For example in revelation when it talks about Michael the archangel fighting the dragon, the clear word Bible actually says “And God’s Son, Michael the Archangel, fought against the Dragon” 😳😳
Yes, this would be a good video as we know this so called bible is an abomination. I have a running list of future videos and just added this to my list. Next, I will start collect the significant errors of this fake bible. I could probably create many, many videos on this heretical bible, which they removed the word "bible" from its title in later printings!!!!
This would be a really good and important undertaking! I still have my clear word Bible from back when I was an Adventist. It’s full of error and heresy.😬
@@angelahollandlmftfreethera8604 If the title is "Clear Word Bible" and not "Clear Word", do hold on to it.....
@@AcademyApologia it says “The Clear Word: An Expanded Paraphrase of the Bible to Nurture Faith and Growth” (which it never did for me, BTW😆)
@@angelahollandlmftfreethera8604 The R&H changed the name from "C;ear Word Bible" to "Clear Word" due to the backlash. Since I was never an Adventist, I have no insight on the use of the Clear Word. I know what this book says says of itself; "a paraphrase." However, I have talked to many Formers who said "Right", this "bible" was used from the pulpits in churches they attended and used extensively in Sabbath School classes. So, while Adventists like to say "it is a paraphrase, not a bible", actual usage paints a different picture.
Please share how this bible was used in your chruch and life as an Adventist and how it was viewed by the Adventist population.
Actually the devout SDA'S mostly just sleep on Sarurdays then have a nice evening after sunset. Anyway, that's what i observed growing up.
And that is what I also hear. I have heard from many, many SDA that the SDA Sabbath is a day they can't wait to end and ten get on with their lives.
I want to again commend you efforts AcademyApollogia at refuting this soul destroying monstrosity called Adventism. You have my thanks👍
Hi my Brother in Christ I hope is well
They take it out context where it says man was not made for the sabbath, but it was made for man.
Jesus always talked in this way. Jesus is telling us we are not made for the sabbath of the old covenant. Our sabbath rest was fulfilled in Christ in the new covenant by him.
We now know how Jesus explained it. Jesus didn't go into full details. That is why he said man was not made for the sabbath, but it was made for man. That is why he said come him for rest. It very hard for people understand that.
Most people that I grew up didn't rest, because they were afraid that they weren't going to make heaven if they weren't good enough. 🤔. They didn't read probably we justfied by faith in Christ. 🤔
Amen and you accurately understand that are not made for the Sabbath and that we are promised a final rest
@@AcademyApologia the word Sabbatismos appears one time in holy writ. Jesus of Nazareth became the Sabbatismos rest for Gentiles and jews.
@@rayray4192 Amen and you are right the word Sabbatismos is very unique and I have been thinking of a video on this word, which of course would refute the SDA weak response to Sabbatismos.
@@AcademyApologia is make it a priority Jim. Very unique situation when a word appears only one time in scripture. It’s amazing that Adventists looking through stone glasses can’t see that the weekly Hebrew ritual feast day was a type of the coming spirit rest coming in the new covenant. It seems so obvious. I mean, come on! The Bible is rich with type and pictures of a future rest found in a personal relationship with Jesus. I am the bread is life. I am the living water. I am the light of the world. Come to me all who are weary and heavy laden with burdens. Amazing how the stone glasses hide the truth from Adventists and sad they miss out on the Sabbatismos rest. Yes, do a video please. A juxtaposition of Sabbatismos rest and the rest from labor once a week. Thanks for the work you put in and jumping out of perfectly good airplanes to defend freedom.
Again THANK YOU!! MY BROTHER a spot on video again
YEA. As I recall - not only did we "go out of our place" and "go to the SDA Church - but as I recall we also washed dishes and cleaned up after our "Pot Luck" meal and THAT was before I studied scripture & became more Biblically Literate. Oh Yes - and I do recall when I read "The Great Controversy" I remember thinking to myself - This is some real strange stuff. The whole thing about the 1844 thing when Jesus entered into this compartment to "finish His atoning work" AND also ' The Sabbath is the Seal of God." You know as Biblically illiterate as I was back then - I do remember recalling - this is some strange stuff. Then when I came to reading all the WARNINGS IN Paul's Epistles about teaching a Gospel different than what we have heard Or from "another angel" - Oh yeah - here it is - I just looked it up Galatians 1 : 8 - 9 = you know what - NOW IT ALL SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. As I see it - & I could be wrong - but people who are in that church are pretty much Biblically illiterate or are just there as it is a social club. You either grow as a Christian or stay in the same place out of some traditional or some other reason. BUT they sure do bash The Catholics though -- don't they. I am still in the process of doing my personal Post Mortem.
Your personal account of Adventism is something I hear all the time and that is even as a person is in Adventism and faithful, their inner being is telling them something is wrong. It is that Adventist that I hope to reach by showing them what Adventism teaches and in their own books.
You are right, the average Adventist has been told what to believe and is not encouraged to test Adventist teachings by the bible. This mode breeds Adventist completely ignorant of the bible as you rightly noted.
The gospel is indeed seriously important and the Adventist gosple is no where found in the bible and as you cited, to proclaim a different gosple is to be twice cursed (Gal. 1:6-9).
Leaving Adventism is a process which takes time, but you are on the right track and this comment has shown me that you are making the right connections between the truths of the bible and the false doctrines of Adventism. Keep progressing my friend and that means keep reading your bible.
@@AcademyApologia OK and thank you but now I have been hit with this one from Acts 2 : 17. They are claiming this this shows us that there will be prophets who dream dreams and see visions. Could you please elaborate on this one with History and Context & if possible to whom does this apply?? THANK YOU WITH GREAT APPRECIATION.
@@buzzclark Go watch my latest video on this very verse: th-cam.com/video/qB9cnmPs654/w-d-xo.html
You will see that Acts 2 is a fulfillment of Joel 2. Joel 2 was a prophecy given to the Jew and for the Jew,not gentile. Acts 2:16 is Peter saying what you see here in Acts 2 is that which was prophesied by Joel. Meaning, 120 Jews, were filled with the Spirit, speaking in languages they did not know, but were known to the Jews listing to them and they were speaking the mighty works of God.
Joel 2 was given to the Jews and it was fulfilled as given and by Jews and in the 1stcentury. Go watch this video and you will see that anyone making the claim that Acts 2 is their justification for a prophet is abusing the Word of God.
Jesus and His disciples walked through the grain field on the Sabbath and harvested the grain and ate the grain. Jesus, Himself and His disciples were out of their place, walked, harvested, and ate. Demonstrating that needs can be taken care of on the Sabbath:
Thanks again for another great video! I have never heard the Nehemiah verse before, I wonder how they weasel out of that one, lol! You mentioned isogesis and exegesis. As a former Adventist, I never heard either one of those words ever until I left that religion. Another word I never heard in Adventism was the word hermeneutic. Wonder why...Ha ha 🤣
A religion which relies on the vision of a person, is not a religion which relies on the bible. The concept or rightly understanding the bible through hermenutics is something the Adventist church admits it did very little of in their first 100 years. An Adventist applying hermenutics to Adventist doctrine will by definition become an ex-Adventist or one who is comfortable in deception:
“As the name suggests, Bible conferences are conferences devoted exclusively to the study of the Bible and related topics. The 1974 conference theme was Biblical hermeneutics. Hermeneutics is a term derived from the Greek and means the science of interpretation. When seeking the meaning of Scripture, the student must follow proper rules of interpretation, else he will misunderstand God's revelation. One of the principal reasons there are differences of opinion as to the Bible's meaning is that students of the Word bring to the Bible different rules of interpretation.
It is highly important that Adventists, who have a unique message to preach to the world, proclaim it convincingly, using arguments that cannot be assailed. Such arguments derive from a proper application of true principles of hermeneutics. The 1974 Bible conference theme, therefore, was highly relevant. *This is the first time in the church's history that the church has undertaken to systematize principles of Bible interpretation on a wide scale.”*
Hyde, Gordon. “Church Holds Historic Bible Conference” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 15 August 1974, p. 4
@@AcademyApologia interesting! Thank you for your thoughtful response! I personally feel there’s no hope for the Adventist movement except to throw the whole thing out start from scratch in an Orthodox manner. Which will leave them as regular evangelical Christians (which they don’t want to be).
@@angelahollandlmftfreethera8604 I got a laugh out of the above quote. Really? how do Adventists seriously apply biblical hermenutics to their doctrines which "were written in stone by the finger of Ellen White" 100 years before?. Adventists can say "Hermenutics" and we believe in "Sola Scriptura" but the fact remains they do not believe in the bible alone and hermenutics is just a word they use to sound respectable. Hermenutics and Sola Scriptura are just a show in Adventism.
@Angela Holland, LMFT-Free Therapy
Can you answer this for me? The presenter hasn't answered it yet...
**Since God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?**
@@frazierwoods9912 You are not worthy of consideration an answer. You can show us all where the Sabbath command was given to Adam and Eve. You have been asked this over and over and you ignore this question because you know it is not in the bible. Stop being a coward and man up. Either admit the absence of a command for Adam an Eve to observe the Sabbath or put me to shame and show me in the book of Genesis where they were commanded to Sabbath.
Don't know what I think about Ellen White but I do know 2 things. 1) I don't trust any church. 2) God's seal is in his Sabbath. Do you not believe in the 10 commandments? We are to obey and remember his Sabbath like the 4th commandment says!
Interesting comment. First you state not to trust any chruch, but if you are an Adventist, then your comment denies the fact that for decades the SDA church has claimed to be *the Remnant* church.*
“After a rich development in the Old Testament, it passes over to the New and comes down to Seventh-day Adventists laden with meaning as we think of ourselves as *"the remnant."*
“The Nature and Mission of the Church” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald. 30 November 1995, p. 11
Then you state the seal of God is the Sabbath, but you forgot to use the bible. Here is your big chance to redeem yourself. Show me where in the bible Christians, I say again Christians, are sealed by the Sabbath. I can show you where in the bible Christians are sealed and it is not the Sabbath, it is the Holy Spirit:
Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed *in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,*
Then you ask if I believe in the 10 commandments but your question is vague. The 10 commandments are recorded in Exodus and Deuteronomy and given to the Jew are present for all to read. But if you ask if I follow the Old Testament Law, then I reply that I choose not to be under a curse for following the Law:
Galatians 3:10 *For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse;* for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."
You can choose to live under and in obedience to the “obsolete” Old Testament law (Heb. 8:13), but in doing so you are under a “curse” (Gal 3:10-11). I choose not to live under the "ministry of death carved in letters of stone" (II Cor. 3:7) as you so proudly declare. Enjoy the curse of choosing to live under the ministry of death while following an obsolete covenant.
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Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."
2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end
@@AcademyApologia
Would you be interested in reading the proper interpretation of 2 Cor. 3:7, Gal. 3:10-11, Heb. 8:13?
Would you be interested in reading how the 10 Commandments are not for the Jews only (for example, Exod. 20:8-11 specifically mentions strangers - these are non-Jews).
***Your conclusion that the Holy Spirit is the seal of God is contradictory as the Holy Spirit will not lead anyone to disobey God's law.*** So, by your own words here, your conclusion is that the Sabbath is not a law anymore/law for Christians. This too is error. All that you've said here is easily debunked through proper reading and interpretation of the Bible/these verses. If you're willing to listen that is...
Text = Holy Spirit is the seal of God.
Application = Holy Spirit leads us to faithful obedience to God
Application = The Sabbath command (like the others) are to be obeyed by all through faith in Jesus (Romans 8:1-4)
Tammy Goodman
Christians are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption and we cannot become unsealed unless we renouce our faith in Christ -Eph 1:13--Eph 4;30
But SDA sabbatarians oppose what the Bible says and places EGW teachings above Holy Scripture
"The seal of God is the passport to the Holy City ...those who would have the seal of God in their foreheads must keep the sabbath of the fourth commandments -Manuscript 27,1889 --EGW Medical Ministry ,pg 123
The seal of God (Holy Spirit)verses Ellen's seal which sabbath keeping -while you are here on this channel ,watch Defeating Adventism #35 it will help you understand that Adventism was birthed from this false prophecy which is Fundamental Belief No 24
@@umabrijmohun6720 This is a perfect example of how she is misrepresented. Here is the entire comment she makes.
"Those who would have the seal of God in their foreheads must keep the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. This is what distinguishes them from the disloyal, who have accepted a man-made institution in the place of the true Sabbath. The observance of God's rest day is the mark of distinction between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not (Manuscript 27, 1899)."
***Why did you leave out the part about the man-made institution? You did so b/c there are two choices (God's Sabbath or Man's Sunday). Read Rev. 14:12 - the Bible is clear that the saints are those who keep the Commandments of God. Do you deny this?***
Ministry Magazine article - title God’s two seals: The seal of the gospel and the apocalyptic seal (read and study the Bible for yourself)
Ephesians speaks of the first seal twice. The first mention is Ephesians 1:13, 14: “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal [Greek: esphragisthēte],1 .... ***the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession - the Spirit of God marks Christ’s followers with the seal of salvation when they first believe. I call this “the seal of the gospel.”***
***The second seal of God is described in the book of Revelation.***
***This seal is not in contradiction to the first but is a seal placed on God’s redeemed people as a sign of their belonging to God. They live in the end time just before probation closes.***
The purpose of this second seal does not focus on salvation or redemption but expresses ultimate redemptive vindication and protection. ***If the first one is the seal of the gospel, the second one may be called the eschatological, or apocalyptic, seal. In the book of Revelation, those who have the seal of God on their forehead are protected from the outpouring of the wrath of God, and they will be able to stand on that great day (Rev. 6:17; 7:3).***
***(My words) What the author has done is placed context around how to understand what the BIble has to say about the seal of God. There is no denying the verses in Ephesians. There is no denying the verses in Revelation. Because they are in the both, there must be harmony. This article shows that harmony.***
*_This is a copy paste of a previous comment in another sda bashing video but i have seen many sunday keepers quote this text out of context so i am going to address this in here too_*
If you cared to read to read colossians 2:16 atleast in the context of the few verses behind it you couldnt have said this because in colossians 2:14 it reads:
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
Lets also read ephesians 2:15 for more context
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace
Notice it says it abolished ordinances again not commandments of god because the ordinances were jewish and transient they are not eternal these two verses carefully convey the difference these ordinances were prior to the new covenant as expressed explictly in hebrews 9:1
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Notice the first covenant had extras like the law of ordinances,worldy sanctuary etc... colossians 2:16 talks about the ordinancial sabbaths not the sabbath of the ten commandments.Commandments and ordinances are not the same we can find this in luke 1:6 which reads:
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
notice ordinances and commandments are distinct they are not the same,Ordinances were transient and had its fulfillment in christ as it alludes to him however the commandments are written by the very finger of god they are eternal thats why you read in luke 23:56
"And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment".
Notice it says sabbath was a commandment not a jewish law or a law of ordinance its simply the commandment.What's more interesting is that this event was mentioned by luke a gentile decades after jesus christs death if there could have been any place in the bible to reject sabbath observance he could have easily mentioned it here,but the fact is that he didn't and one another important thing to note the new covenant is ratified at the cross not the ressurection this can be seen in hebrews 9:16
"For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator".
So keeping all these things in mind lets see what paul actually says in colossians 2:16 which reads
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
in the interlinear the word for sabbath days is sabbaths you can google and check in the interlinear if you want.Now this verse talks about the annual monthly sabbaths etc They are not commandments they are ordinances lets have a look at some Old testament passages which nail this point
1 Chronicles 23:31
Whenever burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the Sabbaths, New Moons, and appointed feasts, they were to serve regularly before the LORD in the numbers prescribed for them.
2 Chronicles 31:3
The king contributed from his own possessions for the regular morning and evening burnt offerings and for the burnt offerings on the Sabbaths, New Moons, and appointed feasts, as written in the Law of the LORD.
These were annual monthly feast day sabbaths these sabbaths are not the weekly sabbath of the ten commandments hope that answers the question.
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@Former Adventists Australia
You said_*Furthermore, the sabbath was not made known until Horeb and given to Israel Nehemiah **9:14*_
Answer:
No, Nehemiah 9:13-14 does not prove that the Sabbath was not given prior to Exodus 16.
The words chosen in verse 14, "madest known unto them thy holy Sabbath," tells us that the Sabbath already existed before the precepts, statutes, and laws were given by Moses, which agrees with Gen. 2:2, 3 and Ex. 16:23. Notice "madest known unto them thy holy Sabbath" is set apart from the precepts, statutes, and laws.
Let us consider what the Bible says: "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" Genesis 2:1-3. Then, let's go to Genesis 26:5: "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." The same word used for "rest" regarding the Sabbath is also used in Exodus 5:5.
Then, of course, we have Exodus 16:23-26; and the Fourth Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) which is: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all they work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
Now, considering all these things, are we to think that God made this one day holy - that He even made a seventh day of the week - that the weekly cycle has remained throughout the centuries, but He told no one about it until Sinai? When God makes something holy, we don't have to have notes to show that God would expect it to be KEPT holy by His creations. However, while things were laid out from Father to Son (you saw in Genesis 26:5 that Abraham kept God's Commandments) after several hundred years of captivity by the Egyptians, the Children of Israel needed things written down, even if some were continuing as they should...that doesn't mean the laws were not in effect prior.
Romans 4:15 tells us "...where no law is, there is no transgression." Now, are we to expect that even the people from Adam and Eve to the flood did not know God's laws? Would God have destroyed the earth with a flood if they had no idea what sin was? What is sin? 1 John 3:4 says: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." Would the law by a God who does not change (Psalm 89:34, Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8) have changed what He set down as the definition of sin? We are told in Isaiah 66:23 that we'll even keep the Sabbath in heaven.
We also do not have proof of Adam and Eve being told that they should not murder, or commit adultery, or steal, or take God's name in vain, but I doubt anyone is questioning whether they were out breaking the other Commandments. Cain knew that murder was sin; Joseph knew that adultery was sin; and again Abraham "kept...my commandments". We also don't have a lot of evidence of other things - such as not taking God's name in vain in the New Testament, but we know that this is not something God would find acceptable. I hope those who question the Sabbath being kept before Sinai will take these things into consideration.
@Former Adventists Australia You said _* I guess Seventh day Adventists could not concede to the NEW TESTAMENT TRUTH*_
Answer:
Its actually the other way around it is the sunday keepers who do not understand what the new testament is how do I say this lets read hebrews 9:16
"For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator".
A new covenant is ratified at the cross at the death of the testator which is christ bearing this in mind lets read luke 23:56 in this context and knowledge
"And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment".
the sabbath is called a commandment even after the death of christ and the gospel of luke was written some decades after this event still its called a commandment instead of a jewish law or ordinance its because the sabbath still abides under the new covenant and we are to keep it.
The Sanctuary in heaven was opened and John went in to see the reality of the pattern (Revelation 11:19). And the Sabbath is Eternal, Revelation 14 : 7 echoes Exodus 20: 11.
Your posted comment is classic Seventh-day Adventist. When you cannot refute the content of the presented video, like a dog that returns to his vomit (Prov. 26:11) is an Adventist who can only repeat, like a trained parrot, Adventist false teachings.
@@AcademyApologia bla bla bla.
@@AcademyApologia Wrong you can not change the truth in the bible. Stop the bullshit.
@@dohnlabalaba9470 Thank you for a comment, it just happens to be on a content which is not the subject of this video. This video shows the Sabbath is not Eternal and why. The Sabbath is not eternal has shown.
@@dohnlabalaba9470 Hosea 2:11
New King James Version
11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease,
Her feast days,
Her New Moons,
Her Sabbaths-
All her appointed feasts.
Jesus CHIRST is the lord of the Sabbath.AcademyApologia is going to defeat Adventistim but you really defeat Jesus CHIRST.How sad is that.John. 14. [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. [21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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I've read somewhere the Ellen G White has written that Jesus had older siblings. Do you believe that Jesus had older siblings? If "yes", can you give me the scripture verse/s that support EGW, thank you in advance......peace.
@@LoCoWi My friend why are you changing the topic from sabbath observance to obscure the subject at hand?
@@johnseventhday9145 I just want to know.
I think where they get it that we are refreshed by this , is where says God was refreshed when finished creation. 😊
The SDA get so much about the Sabbath wrong. If there were true Sabbath Keepers, they would not go to church on the Sabbath. Every Sabbath that they go to chruch, they break the Sabbath:
Exodus 16:29 ESV See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. *Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."*
@@AcademyApologia exactly. They want to go by the scripture where it says it was his custom to go to synogoue on the sabbath day. The reason why he was was rabbi.
I guess they went to the synogoue on the sabbath.
One said that why would you stay at home. Jesus went to out of his place and went to the synogoue as was his custom.
They make ever excuse to say they are keeping the sabbath by meeting on saturday.
They always accuse me of breaking it by not worshipping on saturday. 😁.
I haven't been much anywhere since the virus hit. I enjoy watching these videos about different opinons people beliefs. I have learned more it seems than going to church.
Although I do miss it. 😟
God did not need to be refreshed. His energy is never depleted. God did not rest after six days of creation. Here’s the Young’s literal translation of Genesis 2. God completed by the seventh day his work which he hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all his work which he hath made. The K.J.V. is a terrible translation. Adventists think that the K.J.V. is holy. Adventists are naive simpletons. Adventists are willing to pervert scripture to support their prophet and their judaizer ways. Adventists are not Christians.
you are doing errorneouse teaching ....you are saying genesis 2:2 seventhday is not the sabbath of exodus 16:23 but exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.so clearly said that the same sevethday is sabbath.so its logically said your teaching is mislead the people .i think you are similar person to ignesiuse loyola.....lol....may be considering your academy apologia Symbol may Templer secret society person...lol........but dont attack god true words and giving your own interpretations.
@Former Adventists Australia The 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God (Exodus 20). Its right there in the Bible. The 7th day is the Sabbath....the Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. They are one in the same.
@Former Adventists Australia its very hilarious that you said seventhday in genesis is not the sabbath in exodus because exodus 20: 11 said " For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the day and made it holy". clearly said creation sevethday mentioned as sabbath day.your comment on this regard has no value.when you study the bible you should consider other place where sevethday and sabbath day mention.i think its wasting time to expaining you about sabbath.thats why lost the path of understanding of Gods work. observing sabbath is not only a rest day its remind you the Our creator GOD and our savior Lord jesus.so your criticisim on sabbath keeping is carring satanic idea to keep away from Creater Lord Jesus.
This is one area that if you eliminate their “creative day” teaching Jehovahs Witnesses agree with you to a point.
I do believe you have a point!
Common Objections For Not Keeping The Sabbath by Richard Anthony (its a website)
Every objection to the Sabbath is addressed from a Biblical point of view.
This is biblical truth - not this channel.
Here is just one example:
"The Sabbath was made for Jews."
Answer: This falsehood has gained such strength that multitudes of Christians refer to it as the "Jewish Sabbath." ***But nowhere do we find such an expression in the scripture. It is called "the sabbath of the Lord," but never "the sabbath of the Jews" (Exodus 20:10).***
Luke often made reference to things which were peculiarly Jewish. He spoke of the "nation of the Jews" (Acts 10:22), the "people of the Jews" (Acts 12:11), the "land of the Jews" (Acts 10:39), the "law of the Jews" (Acts 25:8), and the "synagogue of the Jews" (Acts 14:1; 17:1,10,17). ***But please note that Luke never referred to the "sabbath of the Jews," although he mentioned the Sabbath repeatedly.***
John also made references to things which were peculiarly Jewish. He spoke of the "people of the Jews" (John 12:9), the "Jews' feast of tabernacles" (John 7:2), the "feast of the Jews" (John 5:1), "the passover, a feast of the Jews" (John 6:4), and the "Jews' Passover" (John 2:13; 11:55). ***But please note that John never referred to the "Jews' Sabbath", although he mentioned the Sabbath repeatedly.***
***But what did Jesus say? That the sabbath was made for Jews? No! Jesus said: "The sabbath was made for man" (Mark 2:27), for all men. The Greek word translated here as "man" is "anthropos" meaning "people, whether male or female". This Greek word is never translated as "Jew" or "Israel" anywhere in the New Testament books. This word is translated as "man" 552 times, and each time it is translated as "man," it refers to all men.***
***The fact is that Adam was the only man in existence at the time God made the Sabbath (Genesis 2:1-3). There were no Jews in the world for at least 2,300 years after creation. It could never have been made for them. "Man" is also used in connection with the institution of marriage which was also introduced at creation. Certainly no one believes that marriage was made only for the Jews.***
And the fact that God specifically gave his Sabbath day to the stranger, as well as to the Jews, is proof that the Sabbath was not given exclusively for Jews, but for whoever else wishes to serve the Lord (Isaiah 56:1-8, Exodus 20:10).
And here we go again. Answer any and everything but the simple. If the Sabbath was eternal, then where is the Hebrew word Sabbath in genesis? What bible verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath. What bible verse show Adam and Eve observed a Sabbath?
@@AcademyApologia And here we go again...a false narrative about the Bible followed by untruths about me responding the questions.
Would you like for me to address and answer each of these yet again so that you can ignore them? Smh...
@@ineedrest7 All I have been asking for is 3 bible verses. Not 5 paragraphs, just a few bible verses.
@@AcademyApologia
Sir, what you are asking for and the way you've asked to be answered simply doesn't fit how the Bible is to be studied. Simple and plain.
So, its really on you. This approach eliminates reading contextually. Do you not agree that the Bible should be read contextually? Seems like you don't...
@@frazierwoods9912 All I have been asking for is 3 bible verses. Not 5 paragraphs, just a few bible verses.
Hi Jim. I was in an ongoing Scriptural debate with a gentleman who stated that in Isaiah 66 : 23 and stated that "in heaven we will be keeping the sabbath". his words not mine. He also proceeded to attempt to tear me to shreads by mentioning the timeline with the 760 years etc. Could you please address this Isaiah 66 :23 scripture and tell me what this means. Thank You Jim. Sincerely, JAMES in S.F.
Below is a small write up I had already created. But in addition to this answer below, the Adventist never seems to admit that they will worship from moon to moon.
Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week.
Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states this is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel. It no where says sabbath keeping will occur in heaven.
AA LIKES TO REINTERPRET SCRIPTURE AND CLAIM THAT THE TEXT DOES NOT REALLY MEAN WHAT IT SAYS: WE CAN TAKE THE BIBLE AS IT READS: Isaiah 66:22-23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD."
THE SABBATH IN THE NEW EARTH: Rev 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
@@loyal7790 Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week.
Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states this is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel. It no where says sabbath keeping will occur in heaven
@@AcademyApologia Your hermeneutics is based upon your own private interpretation: You will not and cannot accept the Bible as it reads.
@@loyal7790 You can choose to live under and in obedience to the “obsolete” Old Testament law (Heb. 8:13), but in doing so you are under a “curse” (Gal 3:10-11). I choose not to live under the "ministry of death carved in letters of stone" (II Cor. 3:7) as you so proudly declare. Enjoy the curse of choosing to live under the ministry of death while following an obsolete covenant.
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Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."
2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end
There was judiazer just got on and said we need to keep the sabbath. He acted as though the new covenant didn't really matter. I think they still have problem with Jesus fulfilling their laws. They still don't accept that he did.😟
Ironically Dale Ratzlaff, the prophet of the Former Adventist fraternity, said Adam and Eve kept the seventhday Sabbath...
Yet another video where the Protestant Reformers are being torn down.
This video proves the Sabbath is not eternal and the Hebrew word for Sabbath is not found in the entire book of Genesis.
I see Adventists who are afraid to address issues always try and change the topic.
You can choose to live under and in obedience to the “obsolete” Old Testament law (Heb. 8:13), but in doing so you are under a “curse” (Gal 3:10-11). I choose not to live under the "ministry of death carved in letters of stone" (II Cor. 3:7) as you so proudly declare. Enjoy the curse of choosing to live under the ministry of death while following an obsolete covenant.
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Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."
2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end
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Thanks for pointing out that Dale Ratzlaff is a liar.
@@Stefan-X24 Ellen G White is a liar and a thief. Dale is an OK fellow. What you barking about?
Im no theologian but I thought God gave the Sabbath and the Laws to the earthlings to organise , promote order, respect and form and shape. These have an earthly function and when the law is going to be fulfilled in its entirety when the saints go marching in. The Law and Sabbath will find their ultimate fulfillment , for there will be no longer law and sin. Saints will enter into Gods eternal rest in Heaven spoken by Paul in Heb 4. On this side of the 2nd coming Sabbath observance is important for family, peace and serenity in this chaotic world.
In the meantime the earthlings must organise their lives through the observance of the law., Jesus in Matt 5 expanded the law to put it into the heart. The law is in my heart so that I might not sin against thee says David in Ps 119.
You are wrong. The Sabbath is not eternal. The word Sabbath and the Command from God to observe a Sabbath does not occur until Exodus 16:23. If you want to prove from the bible that God command a Sabbath with all the Sabbath rules, then cite your verse(s). A Sabbath requirement requires two things: A command from God and the rules of the command. Neither of which you will find prior to Exodus 16. If you think you will, then you will not have to refute Moses and the Apostle Paul who both state there was a point in time the law *did not exist* and a point of time in which it came into existence.
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Deuteronomy 5:2-3 “The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. *Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.”*
Galatians 3:17-19 “This is what I mean: *the law, which came 430 years afterward,* does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void
Nehemiah 9:13-14 You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven and gave them right rules and true laws, good statutes and commandments, (14) and *you made known to them your holy Sabbath and commanded them commandments and statutes and a law by Moses your servant.*
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:23 KJV Isn't the Sabbath eternal?
Thank you for being the 511th Adventist to copy and past this bible verse. Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week.
Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states this is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel. It no where says sabbath keeping will occur in heaven.
@@AcademyApologia You are the one who takes Isaiah 66 out of context: I cut and paste, as you like to interpret the plain English of the Bible into your own interpretation. This is describing the second coming of Jesus Christ and the establishment of a new heavens and a new earth: Isaiah 66:15,16 "For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many."
Isaiah 66:22,23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." Do other texts in the Bible reiterate the above?
@@loyal7790 I gave you an answer supported with biblical evidence and you never do likewise. let me help you along, explain the phrase "from New Moon to New Moon" as it relates to the Sabbath and worship.
@@AcademyApologia The month is the lunar cycle of between 27 and 28 days and the Sabbath is a weekly cycle of 7 days,(7 times 4 equals 28). Their are no planets in our system that have a 7 day cycle: God and the Lord Jesus Christ ordained this cycle at creation before sin. So during the monthly cycle and every seventh day the Sabbath will be celebrated. Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man: The Greek word for man in Mark 2::27,28 is anthropos, which is the root for anthropology, the study of all humanity - not just Jews. DUH!!!
@@loyal7790 This means the Sabbath is based on the moon and not a calendar and because it is lunar based the days of the month vary each month and vary each year. Like Hanukkah moves!
So what did God mean by remember the sabbath to keep it holy? One thing we look at is, the one day we are keep holy. What you to do on the other days?
Before Jesus came and they had manna , God told them how much pick for each family.
He didn't say keep one day holy out of the week. Everyday was just as holy as another. People who are the sabbath keepers don't look on it that way or are supposedly sabbath keepers ignore them .
One guy said he didn't want to follow those rules of staying home and resting. 😂
Since Jesus fulfilled it we are not under that anyway. We can leave our place and eat out, or visit, we can go out of the city. 😊
According to the Bible the Sabbath is eternal: Isaiah 66:22-23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." The Bible and the Bible only should be the standard of the followers of Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 66:23 is another common Adventist reply, but again citing a verse and being ignorant of the passage easily shows the error. Isaiah 66:23 is in a passage of text starting with Isaiah 66:15 and ending at Isaiah 66:24. This passage begins in 66:15 and is clearly a prophecy (future event) using language such as "The Lord will come." The passage continues telling the reader (66:16) that judgement will come at some future time and even those who believe themselves pure, but sin (66:17-20) will be judged and God will then in the future allow all nations into His Kingdom. *This is a prophetic warning to the Nation of Israel of their future.* When this future prophecy occurs, then all nations (Jew and Gentile) will worship God from *New Moon to New Moon* (month to month) and from Sabbath to Sabbath (week to week) (66:23). Worship is no longer restricted to one day a week, but will be continuous: month to month and from week to week.
Citing this verse as evidence to keep a weekly Sabbath is a gross misapplication of this text which clearly states worship will in the future be continuously or month to month and week to week.
The Sabbath is not eternal. The word Sabbath and the Command from God to observe a Sabbath does not occur until Exodus 16:23. If you want to prove from the bible that God command a Sabbath with all the Sabbath rules, then cite your verse(s). A Sabbath requirement requires two things: A command from God and the rules of the command. Neither of which you will find prior to Exodus 16. If you think you will, then you will not have to refute Moses and the Apostle Paul who both state there was a point in time the law *did not exist* and a point of time in which it came into existence.
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Deuteronomy 5:2-3 “The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. *Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.”*
Galatians 3:17-19 “This is what I mean: *the law, which came 430 years afterward,* does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void
Nehemiah 9:13-14 You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven and gave them right rules and true laws, good statutes and commandments, (14) and *you made known to them your holy Sabbath and commanded them commandments and statutes and a law by Moses your servant.*
@@AcademyApologia It very clear that you hang your theological hat on one isolated Scripture at the exclusion of the Bible's total teaching or doctrine on the given subject. Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Rev 21:1-3 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
@@garyfisher8602 Very typical Adventist comment. When an Adventist cannot directly address the content of a video, they bring up a new issue. Thank your for whining and complaining, but you did not address the content shown in this video. The Hebrew word for Sabbath, does not appear in the entire book of Genesis.
1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. (Matthew 12:1-8, KJV)
90 percent of your quotes were from apostle paul the most powerful inspired apostle of our lord jesus christ so I like to bring in a quote from apostle peter the topmost closest apostle of christ and his interpretation of paul's writings in 2peter 3:15-17
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
Isn't that very interesting peter knew beforehand that people could take select snipets out of paul's writings to do away with the law and be lawless thereby falling away from their secure position?isnt that very ironic all sunday keepers quote paul out of context and try to say that the sabbath is no longer binding under the new covenant I mean it cant be a coincidence.
Again, thank you for yet another useless post on a subject not in this video. I know last time I said "Try Again", but I fear you do not know how to stay on topic.
@Former Adventists Australia How does this negate the obvious coincidence and irony of the sunday keepers with regards to the verse in 2peter 3:15-17 and tell me whose interpretation can we trust in regards to the writings of apsotle paul is it peter or the presenter in the video?
@@johnseventhday9145 And the "presenter" cited 2 Peter 3:15-17 where in this video? I want the minute and second mark.
@@AcademyApologia In which snipet of my comment did you find the words "And the presenter cited 2peter 3:15-17"?
@@johnseventhday9145 You only posted this one day ago
How does this negate the obvious coincidence and irony of the sunday keepers with regards to the verse in 2peter 3:15-17 and tell me whose interpretation can we trust in regards to the writings of apsotle paul is it peter or the presenter in the video?
Greetings and blessing. Not an Adventist but YAHWEH most certainly keeps HIS laws, they are HIS behavior as psalm 119 clearly states. The very definition of sin is to break HIS commandments. Are you therefore saying that HE sins?
And in regard to the Sabbath
Hebrews 4:1-11
New American Standard Bible
The Believer’s Rest
4 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have (A)come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but (B)the word [a]they heard did not benefit them, because [b]they were not united with those who listened with faith. 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“(C)As I swore in My anger,
They certainly shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished (D)from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has said (E)somewhere concerning the seventh day: “(F)And God (G)rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this passage, “(H)They certainly shall not enter My rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of (I)disobedience, 7 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying [c]through David after so long a time just (J)as has been said before,
“(K)Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For (L)if [d]Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also (M)rested from his works, as (N)God did from His. 11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same (O)example of (P)disobedience.
With all due respect, the message came to gentiles the moment The LORD spoke to Abram, from Ur of the Chaldeans.
What commandments are you referring to? 10 Commandments? There is no such thing as "The 10 Commandments"
Yeshua makes clear in Mathew 5:17-19 that the commandments He says will not pass away are the Law and the Prophets which is an idiom for what most would call the old testament.
@@inspirittruth1985 Do you realize you just misquoted Jesus and completely distorted His words? Read the whole verse and accurately quote what Jesus said *He did not come to destroy.* Notice Jesus said he was not going to destroy -“the Law or the Prophets.” You just focus on the _Law_ and ignore _the Prophets._ However, Jesus said he was not coming to destroy two things: The Law and The Prophets.
The phrase “Law and Prophets” is a reference to the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). There are 9 references to “The Law and Prophets” in the New Testament [below] and every time it is a reference to the entire Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi). Your only quote the “Law” and ignore “The Prophets” and in doing so, you misquote Jesus.
For example, Jesus as the coming Messiah was foretold in the Hebrew Scriptures (Law and Prophets). There is an account of Phillip who describes his discovery of Jesus and realizes Jesus is the Messiah spoken of in the “Law and the Prophets” or the Hebrew Scriptures:
John 1:45 ESV “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, *"We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote,* [Hebrew Scriptures] Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
Jesus said he did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures (The Law and the Prophets). He did not separate the Law from the Prophets, that is what you just did in you misquote of Christ. Are you so comfortable misquoting Jesus? You should not and you need to cease misquoting my Savior immediately.
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Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish *the Law or the Prophets;* I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
Matthew 7:12 "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is *the Law and the Prophets.”*
Matthew 11:13 “For all *the Prophets and the Law* prophesied until John”
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments depend all *the Law and the Prophets."*
Luke 16:16 *"The Law and the Prophets* were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.”
John 1:45 “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found him of whom Moses in *the Law and also the prophets* wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
Acts 13:15 “After the reading from *the Law and the Prophets,* the rulers of the synagogue sent a message to them, saying, "Brothers, if you have any word of encouragement for the people, say it."
Acts 28:23 “When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from *the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.”*
Romans 3:21 “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although *the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it”*
@@AcademyApologia maybe you should read that again. I said the law and prophets. I did not misquote anyone.
@@inspirittruth1985 Great, so we are in agreement that Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 that he did not come to destroy the Hebrew Scriptures. And those who use this verse to say "Jesus did not come to destroy the Law" are in error. Right?
Read the book from Saturday to Sunday by Samuele Bacchiocchi he has refuted your hatred of the God of rest in Hebrews. Sunday worship is worshiping the Sun and that is cult.
And here is another lazy Adventist who cannot defend his faith. Why do you call the 1st century Christians cult members who were worshiping on Sunday long before Constantine was even born.
In a Jerusalem Monastery was found one of the most historically significant manuscripts hiding in plain sight as was the Codex Sinaitcus of Mount Sanai. The Didache is a first century Christian noncanonical document also known as the “Teaching of the Twelve Apostles” which shows that the first century church worshiped on Sunday. Constantine can’t change what was already in place.
The Didache was discovered by Greek Archbishop Bryennios in 1875. Archbishop Bryennios resided in Constantinople (2) and due to the Russo-Turkish war (1877-1878) (2) he was finally afforded an opportunity to examine the text in 1878 and published his findings in 1883 (3). The Didache is dated to the first century, makes no claim of Apostolic authority, but is a record of the practices in the first century Christian church.
One of those practices is recorded in chapter 14 and verse one, which is:
“And on the Lord’s Day of the Lord come together, and break bread, and give thanks, having before confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.” (4)
A document found in 1875 has just rendered the Seventh-day Adventist theological statement that Constantine changed the Sabbath in 321 A.D. to be a gross historical and theological error. Since the publication of the Didache in 1883, Adventism has again been shown to be false.
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1. “What happened generally in the churches of the United States in 1844, however, is only a microcosm, or partial fulfillment, of the macrocosm, or final and full fulfillment, of the second angel's message that is yet to come. A study of Revelation 12 to 18 reveals that Babylon is "the synagogue of Satan," his counterfeit of the true Christian church. It has its antecedents in paganism. Paganism gradually infiltrated the church, was "baptized," and Roman Catholicism was the result of the union.”
Advent Review and Sabbath Herald. “Babylon is Fallen” 14 October 1976, p. 14
2. Schaff, Phillip. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles or the Oldest Church Manual The Didache or Kindred Documents in the Original with Translations and Discussion of post-apostolic teaching Baptism Worship and Discipline and with Illustration and fac-similes of the Jerusalem Manuscript.” New York: Funk & Wagnalls Publishers, 1889, p. 8
3. Ibid; p. 9
4. Ibid, p. 208-209
Dohn Labalala Are you that ignorgant?? Who goes to church on a Sunday to worship the Sun ?
First, why is it hatred when a non SDA refutes something the SDA believe, but when an SDA refutes someone else’s belief, it’s not hatred…. ?
Second, if people who go to worship God on Sunday are irretrievably worshipping “the Sun” regardless of what is in their hearts, then by your very own logic, SDA are irretrievably worshipping Saturn (Saturn-day, which is what Saturday is named after) regardless of what is in your heart….. you have to measure by the same stick my friend.
@@AcademyApologia God made a day holy. Neither the early church fathers nor you can change that. No matter the smart talk you shall give, the Bible does not support your view. Moreover, Sunday is not the Lord's day. Saturday Sabbath is the Lord's day. Be faithful to God and His written word not to the traditions of men.
@@umabrijmohun6720 No you are that blind.
The institution of marriage is not mentioned in Genesis either, does that mean that we should ignore it? The word “wife” is mentioned, but it is the same Hebrew word, “ish-shaw” that is used for woman throughout the entire Old Testament. The altar sacrifice was not commanded either, but we see Cain and Abel carrying it out. Just because something is not mentioned doesn’t mean that it didn’t exist. Abraham kept the Sabbath, because he kept God’s laws Gen 26:5. In Ex 16:27-28, God gets upset over someone not keeping the Sabbath and He asks Moses, “How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?” God didn’t get upset like that with Abraham.
Adventists who claim Genesis 26:5 is evidence that Abraham obeyed any or all of the 10 commandments have now created a biblical conflict. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 is clear that the Mosaic law (10 Commandments) were not given to those previous to Moses (1). Which is it? Did God give the Mosaic law to Abraham including the Sabbath or did God NOT give the Mosaic law (including the Sabbath) to Abraham?
Using Adventist hermeneutics creates a biblical conflict, both bible verses cannot be correct. Is Genesis 26:5 correct or is Deut. 5:2-3 correct?
Additionally, the Apostle Paul supports the view that the Mosaic law was added at a point in time. He stated the law “came 430 years” after Abraham (2). How can the Mosaic law “come afterward” if it was already in place? It can’t and this verse shows the Mosaic law had a beginning which is 430 years after Abraham which means Abraham never practiced the Sabbath. Lastly, the Apostle Paul again states the Mosaic law did not exist eternally. In Romans 5:12-14 (3) he shows how sin existed prior to the Mosaic law from Adam to Moses. Is the Apostle Paul writing inspired Scripture? How can the Apostle Paul contradict the Adventist interpretation of Genesis 26:5? Who is wrong? Is the Apostle Paul correct when stating the Mosaic law did not exist prior to Moses or is the Adventist interpretation of Genesis 26:5 correct that Abraham had the Mosaic law and kept the Sabbath? Both cannot be right.
The answer is that the Bible is not in conflict; Adventists are in conflict. Adventists are guilty of “Reading Into the Text” which is called “Eisegesis.” To engage in Eisegesis is to read into the text that which is not present. Reading a meaning into the Biblical text which does not exist (eisegesis) is a faulty practice yielding faulty biblical understanding. When reading any text of the Bible we must take our meaning out of the text and not go beyond the bounds of what is written. This is called exegesis or extracting meaning out of the text.
What are the Commandments that Abraham followed? Nowhere in the text will you find the 10 Commandments, but you will find God commanding Abraham to do and perform a variety of actions which Abraham faithfully did. Abraham kept the following commands of God which are: God commanded Abram to move from his country (Gen. 12:1); God commanded Abraham to be circumcised and he did (Gen. 17:11) and God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac (Gen. 22:2). Abraham followed all these commands (Gen. 12:1; 17:11; 22:2) of God and is commended for keeping these commands of God.
@@AcademyApologia You are doing alot of assuming. Have you ever heard of the"oral tradition." As a former student of Hebrew and Greek, I will tell you this, you cannot come to a debate with just an English Bible. If you do, you are not ready for the debate.
Moreover, you lack biblical substance.
With regard to keeping law check, 40:8.
I don't have time to write a discourse for you. The Sabbath is dealt with on my channel. Please refute all 6 studies with bible if you can please.
@@CJILMinistriesprotruth Thank you for the complaint. A complaint is not a biblical refutation. Are you a Catholic? It is a Catholic teaching to rely on oral tradition outside the bible.
I rely on the bible and no where prior to Moses was anyone seen observing the Sabbath nor given it as a command.
@@CJILMinistriesprotruth no one wants a discourse from you.
@@AcademyApologia You are a liar. Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath.God kept the Sabbath and the Patriarchs kept the Sabbath.
More so, it is plausible that the other 9 commandments were not kept by anyone before the Exodus according to your argument.
Which commandments did Cain transgress?
Your argument is like a basket with hot water in it on your head. You are hurting your own self.
And you shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Mitsrayim, and that יהוה your Elohim brought you out from there by a strong hand and by an outstretched arm. Therefore יהוה your Elohim commanded you to perform the Sabbath day.
Deḇarim (Deuteronomy) 5:15 TS2009
If I'm law keeper,you are a law breaker
Law of Moses will throw you justfuly to hell for failed in keeping whole of it - you have only a little part of the Law and you will be justyfuly damned by the law; everyone who is under the law of Moses for salvation by adding something from the law of gospel - Christ will don't help them. You don't have law - you have little part of it; food regulations and sabbath, you senteced yourselve to death when you will enter into eternity in sin proven by the law on you in failure of fulling law of Moses. God never gived to you, polish gentile order to keep sabbath. Councul of Jerousalem told you clearly that sabbath was not taken as ordinance to the messianic Law of Christ in what we live, hence you are in rebelion against everyone Apostole who ordained councul from the Acts.
Christians are not under the Mosaic law ,but we are under Christ's law of life ,Rom 8:2--4 Led by the Holy Spirit we try and obey all that Jesus and the Apostles taught ,the sabbath command is not mentioned in the New Testament ,Jesus broke the Sabbath command ,would you call Him a law breaker ??
@@umabrijmohun6720 “Because this is the covenant that I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws in their mind, and I shall write them on their hearts, and I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
Iḇ`rim (Hebrews) 8:10 TS2009
Whot does this mean ???
@@Krislinke When God refers to the Law ;it is the whole unit=613 The laws written in our hearts is parts of the 613 which are repeated in the New Testament -the Sabbath command was not mentioned
@@umabrijmohun6720 The law of Elohim was placed in the Ark, the Torah next to the Ark of the Covenant...“Take this Book of the Torah, and you shall place it beside the ark of the covenant of יהוה your Elohim, and it shall be there as a witness against you,
Deḇarim (Deuteronomy) 31:26 TS2009
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
[I am not an SDA but I am a Sabbath keeping Believer who believes in what the Bible says.
And On Gentiles not being mentioned in the old testament ,I have this response]
Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts
[TO WHOM IS THE LAW GIVEN ? IS THERE A SEPARATE LAW FOR THE GENTILES? AND WHO ARE WE? STRANGERS TO HIS WAYS ,ARE WE NOT?]
Exodus 12:49 One law shall be
to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
Isaiah 59:21
As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
Deut 5:29
O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
WE ARE HIS CHILDREN, AND OF OUR ANCESTERS ,THE ANCESTERS OF THE BIBLE WHOM GOD DID SPEAK TO
Further more I would like to respond with this also.
ARE WE A PART OF ISRAEL? THE FOLLOWING VERSES SAY YES.WE ARE THE LOST SHEEP.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Luke 1:50
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.[part of the song that Mary sang]
Acts 17:28
for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring
Romans 3:28-30
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
[this does say we shouldn't follow it does it?]
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Galatians 3:26-29
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 11:25
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Psalms 86:9
9All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
These verses are very important to those lost sheep. There are those perhaps reading this thar needed to read this.
I would also like to add on the following
Has the Law been done away with?
Matthew 5:17 - 19
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
This is in response to you saying that we are not under the law ,saying Jesus fulfilled. Indeed he did. But we still have it.
And one last thing
Is keeping the Sabbath something we need to do? Do we need to rest from our works as God did from his?
Hebrews 4:8-11
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
You said God didn't need to rest. Yet this is scripture, does the Bible lie?
@@laurachamberlain4911 Simply copy and pasting a series of bible verses without explanation proves nothing other than you have the ability to copy and paste. So, let's take your work and start here. Explain your use of Matthew 5:17-19. What are these verses teaching?
@@AcademyApologiano I will not type out each verse so therefore I did copy and paste them however I didn't just post scriptures. I responded to you with questions that were points that you mentioned. Didn't you read the whole that posted? I posted scriptures to support and answer the questions.You could offer feedback on what the questions aae and the points that the scriptures are making in regards to the questions. Is there something wrong with the scriptures? Or are you mad because I didn't interpret? I will not give a private interpretation, therefore if you refute anything, it is the scriptures.I appreciate a lot of what you put out. I agree with a lot of what you said. But the Gentiles are mentioned in the old testament, and the Bible does say that we are to keep the sabbath as God rested on that day. And The law has been fulfilled and not abolished.And we who are grafted in are part of Israel. These things Are written in the scriptures that I posted. I don't believe in private interpretation. I found out these truths today, after I listened and watched your video and then I spent hours researching the scriptures for these facts. I'm not here to rebuttal. I do not know you. I have only just recently found your channel. The bible tells us to use scripture to prove the truth, and to correct when something is not right. So we can rightly divide it. I refuse to be carried away with every wind of doctrine. I pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit and look for truth in the bible alone when it comes to God's word. God Bless you.
1 question for the presenter.
Read Genesis 2:1-3. Especially verse 3.
Sanctified means to be set apart, consecrated, hallowed, holy, sacred, etc.
Its clear in the Genesis account that God made the 7th day distinct from the other 6 days. Right?
**Here's the question: God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?**
Do you believe in the bible? If you do, then you will show the verse where Adam and Eve were given the command to observe the Sabbath. That verse is?
Time to admit you have beliefs only found in Adventist books and not the bible.
@@AcademyApologia I believe the Bible. This comment simply proves my point. You're so literal that its a barrier to your ability to reason with scripture. You've dismissed yet another question to a claim that you've made. This is what you do often. This is a necessary question for the person claiming that Adam and Eve did not observe the Sabbath.
You avoided the question. You dismissed the question. ***I killed your entire argument with this one question b/c you have no response...you have no answer to give. Smh.***
@@frazierwoods9912 Just show the bible verse where Adam and Eve either observed the Sabbath or were commanded to observe the Sabbath. If you believe the bible like you say, then this will be easy.
Now here is how this conversation will go, as past experience with you is a good predictor of the future. You will dance, dodge and duck the issue and when you do, I will simply copy and paste this response over and over until I get bored and put you back on ignore.
All I ask for is 2 bible verses: 1) What verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to observe the Sabbath; 2) What verse shows Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath?
@@AcademyApologia You will dance, dodge and duck the issue (isn't this LITERALLY what you just did to me?!?!)
@@frazierwoods9912 Just show the bible verse where Adam and Eve either observed the Sabbath or were commanded to observe the Sabbath. If you believe the bible like you say, then this will be easy.
Now here is how this conversation will go, as past experience with you is a good predictor of the future. You will dance, dodge and duck the issue and when you do, I will simply copy and paste this response over and over until I get bored and put you back on ignore.
All I ask for is 2 bible verses: 1) What verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to observe the Sabbath; 2) What verse shows Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath?
(1) Here are 3 clear as day errors you missed: (1.) 4 min. 42 second mark. The presenter is correct. Seventh-day is not Sabbath in Hebrew. ***What he didn't show you is the Hebrew for 'rested' in the same verse.*** The Hebrew for rested in Genesis 2 is Sabbath in English. The seventh day of the week is Saturday. Saturday is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh-day of creation. The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. ***No one noticed this?*** (2.) 5 min. 11 second mark. God does not need to rest. No supporter of the Sabbath will say that God needs to rest. The idea that God needs the Sabbath to rest is a mischaracterization of the Sabbath and a misunderstanding of the creation of the Sabbath. The Bible is clear that the Sabbath was made for man (Mark 2:27). Man meaning mankind. The Sabbath wasn't made for God. ***No one noticed this?*** (3.) Is the Sabbath eternal? Do we see it at creation/before sin entered the world? Yes. (Genesis 2:1-3) Do we see it after sin entered the world? Yes. (Exodus 20:8-11, Mark 2:27) Do we see it after the 2nd coming? Yes. (Isa. 66:22-23) If this isn't eternal, I don't know what is.....***No one noticed this?***
(2) ***For those of you that are anti-Sabbath, where are your proof-texts for Sunday observance? There are none. Sunday isn't the Sabbath (biblical fact). Sunday isn't a day that God blessed or made holy (biblical fact). Sunday isn't a day of rest (biblical fact). Sunday observance isn't a command of God (biblical fact). God made the 1st day the same as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th (biblical fact). If you observe Sunday, you're not doing so b/c God said so. Jesus never commanded Sunday observance. God's 10 Commandment law doesn't change. Biblical fact.***
***I'll leave the thread with this last post.***
***I'll keep a look-out for a direct answer to my question (Since God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?)*** Other than that, I'll likely ignore what you say. Fair warning.
***Y'all be safe and read/study the Bible for yourselves. Seek God's wisdom and understanding.*** You won't find wisdom and understanding on this channel. Proof? See section #1.
What Frazier Woods refuses to show is where in the Bible did Adam and Eve get the command to Sabbath? Frazier, your questions will not be entertained until you defined your false Sabbath idol. Sow us in the bible where Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath, where they were given the Sabbath or where the Hebroe word for Sabbath (See Ex. 20:8) is anywhere in the entire book of Genesis. Defend your faith and what predict is the you will not and I will then resort to copying and pasting this response over and over.
@@AcademyApologia blah blah blah blah blah...
The Bible is its own defense. I've answered your question already....go back and read the comments. ***Since you refuse to answer my question, I'll move on and ask another.***
***Were Adam and Eve human beings? Because the Sabbath was made for human beings (see Mark 2:27).*** Man in that verse is anthropos in the Greek (human being). So, that tells us that Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath b/c the Sabbath was made for human beings. ***What do you say? Were Adam and Eve human beings or not???***
@@frazierwoods9912 What Frazier Woods refuses to show is where in the Bible did Adam and Eve get the command to Sabbath? Frazier, your questions will not be entertained until you defined your false Sabbath idol. Sow us in the bible where Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath, where they were given the Sabbath or where the Hebroe word for Sabbath (See Ex. 20:8) is anywhere in the entire book of Genesis. Defend your faith and what predict is the you will not and I will then resort to copying and pasting this response over and over.
@@AcademyApologia Watch this...
rested = Genesis 2:2 = H7673 = shabath
sabbath = Exod. 16:23 = H7676 = shabbath
sabbath = Exod. 20:8 = H7676 = shabbath
sabbath = Mark 2:27 = G4521 = sabbaton
rest = Hebrews 4:9 = G4520 = sabbatismos
@@frazierwoods9912 What Frazier Woods refuses to show is where in the Bible did Adam and Eve get the command to Sabbath? Frazier, your questions will not be entertained until you defined your false Sabbath idol. Sow us in the bible where Adam and Eve were commanded to Sabbath, where they were given the Sabbath or where the Hebroe word for Sabbath (See Ex. 20:8) is anywhere in the entire book of Genesis. Defend your faith and what predict is the you will not and I will then resort to copying and pasting this response over and over.
Academy apologia will be refuted on screen in pastor Jeff Dowell's upcoming videos not to mention his arguments are already being decimated in the comments.
Now this is funny! You have lost all respect here. Do your own work and create your own content and stop running to some pastor and hiding under his skirt.
I will be writing my rebuttal to this video so don't block me
Enough with the emotional persecution complex. Write away and I respond to replies which are relevant to the video.
Claim made by presenter: Adam and Eve did not observe the Sabbath.
Question from viewer: God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?
Answer from presenter:
Conclusion drawn from viewer: Claim dismissed as presenter did not answer question.
Y'all be good...take care.
Just show the bible verse where Adam and Eve either observed the Sabbath or were commanded to observe the Sabbath. If you believe the bible like you say, then this will be easy.
Now here is how this conversation will go, as past experience with you is a good predictor of the future. You will dance, dodge and duck the issue and when you do, I will simply copy and paste this response over and over until I get bored and put you back on ignore.
All I ask for is 2 bible verses: 1) What verse proves Adam and Eve were commanded to observe the Sabbath; 2) What verse shows Adam and Eve observed the Sabbath?
Frazier Woods
These two questions were asked,
*When was the Seventh day first made holy?*
*And for what purpose?*
Here is how these two questions were answered,
*Answer:*
*"The Sabbath* was first made Holy in *Genesis 2:3"*
*"The Sabbath* was made Holy as described *in Genesis 2:3"*
*"because on it God stopped working* on everything that he had been creating."
*Frazier Woods do you know who answered these two questions?*
I will tell you who answered these two questions.
It was AcademyApologia.
It was AcademyApologia, that wrote the answer.
I have it documented and would be glad to give it to you.
@@JD-zg4kg Well said. Be sure to ask him why he didn't answer the question I asked...let me know what he tells you...
@@JD-zg4kg The 7th day was made holy for Israel only ,where under the New covenant does it states that believers have to observe the Sabbath day or worship on the 7th day only ?? The term "Sunday sacredness or Keep Sunday "is an Adventist thing or ill-information --no Christian church profess by words or actions that Sunday is a holy day --The Sabbath is not a day to observe but a promise we are invited to Heb 4:4--11 --The Sabbath was a shadow which was fulfilled in Christ who is the substance Col 2;17
@@umabrijmohun6720
You wrote, "The 7th day was made holy for Israel only"
The Seventh Day was made Holy in Genesis 2:3
3 So God blessed *the seventh day* and made it *holy,* because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. ESV
Long BEFORE Israel.
You wrote, "no Christian church profess by words or actions that Sunday is a holy day"
*Really?*
I guess you should have told the Sunday keeping churches that I was a member of didn't know that.
“We Catholics, then have
precisely the same authority
for keeping Sunday holy,
instead of Saturday, as we
have for every other article
of our creed; namely, the
authority of ‘the Church of the living
God, the pillar and ground of the truth;’”
Vol. IV of Clifton Tracts (Catholic) p. 15
“The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy
instead of the seventh is for the same reason
that we observe many other things,”
Isaac Williams, D.D., Plain Sermons on the Catechism, Vol. I, pp. 334-36.
Many statements come from many churches and denominations that call Sunday Holy.
You wrote, "The term "Sunday sacredness or Keep Sunday "is an Adventist thing or ill-information"
*Why then do these Churches say the very things that you say that they don't "profess?"*
Imagine the scene. You in the new Jerusalem, and sinners outside. Among them you see a man who collected wood on the Sabbath. And He calls out to you, hey ... you must have kept His law. And you answer ... no ... we were no longer bound by the law. This man thought ... what? this is unfair.
There is a difference between grace and bound by the law for example if you get caught by a traffic police man for violating the rules they could grant you grace only if you accept your mistake otherwise if you act like a bigshot you be treated badly and lose grace in the same way you guys do not even accept there is a commandment called sabbath as we know sin is the transgressor of the law you guys are justifying your sin which is worse and leads to you guys falling away from grace thats the whole point you must first understand and accept your mistake that is the very purpose of the law to show you that you need christ for grace if this wasn"t clear enough i pity you brother
So if the Sabbath is not eternal that means God’s commandments are not eternal, and God’s throne isn’t eternal. Is that what you’re saying? Don’t mess with God’s law or throne friend. Be careful. Don’t forget anyone touching the ark aka throne with sin was struck dead immediately. It’s pretty serious to mess with it…
You are confused in equating the throne of God to the 10 Commandments. I like your response, it is completely lacking any scriptural support. Let me help and set the baseline, the 10 Commandments are not eternal and the Sabbath is not eternal. The first occurrence of the Sabbath is Ex. 16:23, the Sabbath does not exist in the entire book of Genesis.
@@AcademyApologia The Sabbath is in Genesis 2 even the original 1611 KJV titled Genesis 2 as the first Sabbath. Go look it up. So according to you Murder was ok since there was no Murder commandment given prior to Cain killing…
Yes the commandments are eternal: psalms 119:7-8
His throne is forever: Hebrews 1:8 NASB
His throne is made of SAPPHIRE STONE: Ezekiel 1:26 KJV
Clearly the Ten Commandments are forever based on the above and same for his throne. Not only that. God’s throne is made of blue sapphire stone and so were the Ten Commandments: read it in Exodus 24:10-12
CORD OF BLUE to remind the people of the Ten Commandments: Numbers 15:37-41
@@godloves9163 Your post highlights the difference between you and me. I rely on the Word of God and you rely on a 1611 translation by men.
You dishonor and misuse the bible when stating God created the Sabbath at Creation. It is amazing how comfortable Adventists are in putting “words in Gods mouth” which were never spoken.
The Hebrew transliteration of "Seventh Day" in Genesis 2:2 is "shebiith yom." The first occurrence of Sabbath in Exodus 16:23 is the Hebrew transliteration "shabbathon." The Hebrew transliteration for Sabbath in Exodus 20:8 is shabbathon Seventh day (shebiith yom) in Genesis 2 is not Sabbath (shabbathon) as used in Exodus 16 & 20. The Hebrew text does not support the existence of a Sabbath in Genesis.
2 Peter 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, *which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.*
@@AcademyApologia Yes Genesis 2 was the first sabbath. You’re ignorant of the 1611 KJV indeed. You claim God sanctified the 7th day for himself to worship himself and spend time with himself in Genesis 2:3? Exodus 20 then quoting what happened in Genesis. The gymnastics people do to avoid God’s commandments is sad.
@@AcademyApologia Shebiith yom is seventh day not the word rest in Genesis 2. Nice try though…
1. 4 min. 42 second mark. The presenter is correct. Seventh-day is not Sabbath. ***What he didn't show you is the Hebrew for 'rested' in the same verse.*** The Hebrew for rested in Genesis 2 is Sabbath in English. The seventh day of the week is Saturday. Saturday is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh-day of creation. The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. ***No one noticed this?***
2. 5 min. 11 second mark. God does not need to rest. No supporter of the Sabbath will say that God needs to rest. The idea that God needs the Sabbath to rest is a mischaracterization of the Sabbath and a misunderstanding of the creation of the Sabbath. The Bible is clear that the Sabbath was made for man (Mark 2:27). Man meaning mankind. The Sabbath wasn't made for God. ***No one noticed this?***
3. Is the Sabbath eternal?
Do we see it at creation/before sin entered the world? Yes. (Genesis 2:1-3)
Do we see it after sin entered the world? Yes. (Exodus 20:8-11, Mark 2:27)
Do we see it after the 2nd coming? Yes. (Isa. 66:22-23)
If this isn't eternal, I don't know what is.....***No one noticed this?***
I'll leave the thread with this last post. Y'all be safe and read/study the Bible for yourselves. Seek God's wisdom and understanding.
At least 3 errors.
Clear as day errors.
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Only 1 person identified the errors. Smh. That's crazy.
Frazier Woods ..... The bible was mostly written to/for the Jewish people, by Jewish authors.
You are NOT a Jew, Gentiles are not Jews.
Neither have you taken the place of Jews.
They still exist today.
Israel is still God's people.
He has not done away with them.
Ellen White was a fool to teach such garbage, because she didn't understand the bible, and therefore copied other writers and claimed as her own interpretations and visions.
And here you follow the silly old lying fool.
You keep that up you will be following her all the way to hell, where you will remain till you get chucked into the lake of fire......FOREVER !!!!!
Forever means eternity, where your soul will be.
And don't believe me wait and find out.
there is no way of ever getting out.
Tell me Woody, where does it say in the Pauline epistles that in the church age [the time we are living now, as we are not in old testament] that Saturday is the sabbath day that one must keep to be saved ?????
Why is it, that every bible illiterate has to go to the Strongs concordance?
@@amazonwarrior5584 Still waiting for my question to be answered (since God made the 7th day holy - why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?)
@@frazierwoods9912 I've answered your question in your response to Former Adventist Australia.
I will give you a shorten version, in four words to be precise.
FW question "Why would He then allow Adam and Eve to treat the 7th day as a "regular" day?"
My answer:
Because God is Sovereign.
Hebrew chapter 4 Jesus himself points clearly to Saturday Sabbath however egw is a flat out liar copying material visiting people on other planets say glory 3 time and off to heaven
*Ellen G. White contacted and had conversations with her dead husband. I thought she didn't teach the immortality of the soul???????*
Just a thought...
it looks as if God isn't your example when it comes to the Sabbath. I can tell by reading the comments. Smh. How can that be when God is our example to follow in everything else believers say/do? Smh. Interesting...
I think you are very specific with your opinions, throwing stones directly at the Adventists. Is it from pure hatred? Let God guide you with His spirit into the scriptures..
You ask why Adventists, it is very simple. Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia ... everytime you comment about the Sabbath and law...Is there anything wrong with the bible?
@@samueldemas7919 Can you read? You posted a comment to which I replied and what do you do? You post a comment totally unrelated. Adventists are biblically and intellectually bankrupt. I say again:
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Are you for truth? Or is this for views/ money? If you are for truth, then you must realized the commandment in exodus 20 points back to creation. You are not being honest about the Sabbath!
You seem to have forgotten something in your comment: A Bible Verse. A case was made in this video and using the bible. Thank you for the complaint, but a post absent bible verses and explanation is simply a complaint. Try again and bring facts, data and the bible.
@@AcademyApologia
This was not a complaint. It was an observation. I stated Exodus 20 as a Bible reference, because Exodus 20:8-11 discusses the observance of the sabbath, and it states, "For six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." The reason we keep Sabbath is found in Genesis... creation, it is when the Lord rested.
@@loveforthetruth9638 You dishonor and misuse the bible when stating God created the Sabbath at Creation. It is amazing how comfortable Adventists are in putting “words in Gods mouth” which were never spoken.
The Hebrew transliteration of "Seventh Day" in Genesis 2:2 is "shebiith yom." The first occurrence of Sabbath in Exodus 16:23 is the Hebrew transliteration "shabbathon." The Hebrew transliteration for Sabbath in Exodus 20:8 is shabbathon Seventh day (shebiith yom) in Genesis 2 is not Sabbath (shabbathon) as used in Exodus 16 & 20. The Hebrew text does not support the existence of a Sabbath in Genesis.
2 Peter 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, *which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.*
@@AcademyApologia
I've had the same conversation with you...You're pointing to the wrong word....and you doing so on purpose...
You're focused on the Hebrew transliteration of "Seventh day." Instead, you should focus on the word "rested." Look up the Hebrew for rested.
You now know the right word to focus on when Adventist reference the Sabbath in Genesis. What will you do? Look up the Hebrew for rested, share its meaning?
@@frazierwoods9912 OK, focus on rested
*RESTED*
shabath: to cease, desist, rest
Transliteration: shabath
_Definition: to cease, desist, rest_
*SABBATH*
shabbath: sabbath
Original Word: שַׁבָּת
Transliteration: shabbath
Phonetic Spelling: (shab-bawth')
_Definition: sabbath_
*Rested* and *Sabbath* are two completely different words with different definitions. The Hebrew word for Sabbath *does not appear in the book of Genesis.* There is no Sabbath in Genesis
I have respectfully invited this viewer Frazier Woods to look at historical and Biblical explanations & given the time frame of Frazier Woods response - I doubt very seriously if he, she, or it, has taken the time which would be sufficient to seriously look at my Biblical and Historical Data. At this point in time I have chosen to stand down on this matter. "When a man or woman is honestly mistaken and hears the truth, they will either stop being mistaken or cease to be honest." Very Sincerely - An ex- SDA Church member. I have chosen not to harm any of God's Children. SINCERELY, JAMES.
FYI: just because I responded quickly does not mean that I am not willing to review the info. you shared. As a matter of fact, I gave you my email address so that we could follow-up on the points you mentioned...its clear that you did not take the time to read my comment in full. So....
I am tired of hearing tat the fourth commandment is not a commandment!!!!! It is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS!!!!!
Do not come to this channel and post SPAM comments. Posting a series of several comments is SPAM and lack maturity. All your other SPAM comments have been removed.
And i am tired of Adventists who are not capable of addressing facts presented i videos and who post whining comments. Stick to the facts and present facts.