Kinda hypocritical of Ubisoft's higher management to somehow blame Beyond Good and Evil's designers for a perceived failure when they themselves meddled with the original design concept multiple times and then cannibalized their own product by launching it close to a new Prince of Persia installment.
Exactly. I will never forget that Ubisoft kind of Messed with themselves, on that one. They put it not only so close to Prince of Persia, but it also was released around the time other yearly blockbusters come out. I believe they also release Rainbow SIX around that time. They basically threw 3 or so games right in the same couple of weeks. This was basically Ubisoft's Equivalent of "The Month of Madness".
I remember when the game first launched, I joined in on the official forums and we kept whining for an OST release. Never got it, so someone got bored enough to look at the game files, and figured out a way to extract it from the PC version instead. And then Ubi officially released it a few years later for the HD remaster anyway.
I played that HD re-release knowing literally nothing about it and by the end was like, this game is amazing, how have I never heard of it?! Some of the most unique and enjoyable characters in any game, actually reminded me of Dreamfall, another extremely underrated adventure game
I remember playing the hell out of this when I was 17. I had just moved back to my moms house in Thunder Bay after living in London(Ontario) for a year with my older sister and my niece. My mom had taken a job in Toronto and was working there then while trying to sell this giant house(7bed-4bath) which used to be an old group home. It was just me and my little sister living there at the time. I didn't have a drivers licence but my mom's van was always there to use if the occasion arose to grab groceries(actually when i learned how to cook). Living in a rural suburban neighborhood(forests,trails,ravines,rivers,all that comfey stuff) just out side of the city by 6km(3.7mi) there was only this little tiny convenience store off the main drag, and they rented PS2 and Xbox games. For some reasons they had the ubi 3 at launch, Splitter cell, Prince of Persia and Beyond Good and Evil for rent at one time. The first two were rented out, So I rented Beyond good and evil, grabbed some Pepsi and Doritos(and cigarettes because I looked a lot older than 19 and was chummy with the Grandma behind the counter, and it was 2003. I no longer smoke) I re rented the game 2 times after the OG 3 day window to return so I could finish it. To this day, It still holds a special place in my heart for getting me through a tough time as a teen.
I got the impression when I was playing it references the news reporting subplot in the game. While the Domz themselves seem played pretty unambiguously evil, the news portrays the Alpha Sections as being good and worth supporting. Going beyond good and evil means searching for the truth, which often is more complicated. Or maybe it's about Jade herself, after what's revealed about her in the final stage. Kind of flimsy, I know. Maybe they just felt artsy game need artsy title.
From other stuff i read online, the Title would have made more sense when the Domz were to be considered a good race of aliens being manipulated to do evil things, but then someone decided it would be better to just make them more obviously evil instead of being slaves to another creature.
Through the last year, you've quickly and easily become my favorite content creator. Hilarious, fun, and incredibly well edited videos, and an interesting concept to boot. Plus GODZILLA LOVE. You the man, man. Keep up the great work, you deserve all the love you've been getting!
I’ve always wanted to see an episode on Knights of the Old Republic 2, it’s short dev time, all the cut content, and the how the fans put it back together
BG&E is one of those games that left a huge impact on me when I first played on the GC. To this day I can remember how it felt to explore that fascinating world, and it still hurts that if we get a sequel it is likely to be nothing like the original.
It's such an unusually varied experience too. Open world, stealth, platforming, action, racing. It didn't excel at any of them, but it all managed to entertain and never really overstayed it's welcome. Sort of a videogame smorgasbord.
@@creatorsfreedom6734 Stop spreading racist stereotypes, that isn't how animal to human virus transmission works. The bat needs to infect a second animal, most often times porc, the virus than mutates and is consumed
@@smackzack6640 And let's not forget about the Rayman Ravin Rabbit game which started as two VERY DIFFERENT projects! I'm sure Matt could do an 1 hour video on that one mess.
To be honest, when I saw that tech demo for BG&E2 that showed them trying to simulate entire planets and star systems, I immediately got red flags that the project was way too ambitious and nothing like the original game.
I got the 1st game on playstation a month ago and just started playing it. It really stands out and has interesting ideas, with a few flaws, especially the camera
I really love the design of Jade who always look a bit like a mix of Alyx Vance from Half Life² and Gwen from "Total Drama Island" (because of the green lips) whilst also having the tough adventure vibes of Lara Croft. She really stood out and it was great playing her. You really cared for the characters, despite the cartoony look. It actually fits much better than this uncanny valley look of the pitched sequel.
Yeah, swearing in media doesn't bother me in general, but after how charming the dialogue in the original game was it was pretty weird to hear a trailer where every characters drops the F Bomb literally every other sentence.
It was super bizarre, like if Ubisoft was afraid that people that didn't know BG&E would saw the talking animals and thought that it was for little kids, so they tried to make it sound as edgy as possible.
It’s like the entire dev team was finished of twelve-year-old boys. That’s about the age when excessive swearing is ‘edgy!’ It was a complete turn-off.
thank you for pointing that out. A handful of swearing and f-bombs is fine and dandy but what they showed was just an onslaught! really killed my hype just as quick : /
I bet you anything BG&E2 is never coming out, how "marketable" do they think a title is that didn't sell well at the time and now resembles it about as much as Ubisoft resembles a competent gaming development studio.
The thing is it sold poorly at the time because it was kneecapped by practically every party involved (the head developer suddenly saying 'nope let's go somewhere else' through development. The publishers not marketing the damn thing. And the fact gaming as a whole was in the 'we need more edge' phase of life which BG&E was not geared toward) the game not selling well was not it's fault, hell the fact the digital version sold very well should be telling that it is in fact viable in the modern day
@xXDimistreoXx, "I bet you anything BG&E2 is never coming out" Meanwhile Bayonetta 3 was announced for years ago, and fans aren't anywhere near as upset. But we don't hear about Beyond Good and Evil 2 for the same amount of time? Apparently the game's a failure; it's never coming out!!!
Even if it does finally come out, it likely won't be the one fans of the original want. The more recent stuff seems like they are rebooting without calling it a reboot to fit quirks and themes popular with other genres instead of building off what people liked of the original
Besides, BG&E 2 is going to be what Ubisoft thinks we want instead of what we actually want. We want a Zelda-esque game (aka pre BOTW) but with a better photography system then the first game. Ubisoft wants to make another of their bog standard open-world games with nothing resembling what the original was
Beyond Good and Evil 2 was originally announced in 2008. We are two years away from surpassing Duke Nukem Forever and it looks set to fly past that insane mark with ease.
The biggest impact the first game had on me was during the holiday it launched. At the time I was a recent high school grad working at a pizza place and the manager was the most laid back dude bro imaginable, someone who was great to work with but how they got that position being baffling. The guy was big into Madden, GTA, and all the most main stream of titles at the time. For some reason he got Beyond Good and Evil for Christmas and could not stop raving about how much he liked it. To me that was a shock considering he had a hell of a dislike for Zelda and similar titles so of course I had to check it out. Dude was on point with that recommendation.
Man I loved this game back in the day. The colorful world, the charming characters, being able to take photographs of whales in space, etc. I hate that the cliffhanger was never properly followed up on.
Matt, you made the past year bearable and gave me something to look forward to every week when the world was filled with snot. You rock. Your videos are excellent. Thank you.
@Joni Seppänen, yeah; let's ignore the fact, that they've made stuff like the Far Cry Series, Mario Rabbids and the sequel in development, Immortal Feynix Rising, etc. Oh nevermind; you're too close-minded and assume that everything they make is bad. Moving on...
You need to do a What Happened about Kameo Elements of Power. It has a troubled production caused by a buyout, it was made through 4 consoles from the 64 to the 360, worked with 2 different publishers, Nintendo and Microsoft and even had a cancelled sequel.
it hurts. Beyond good and evil was one of the first games i ever played i loved it so much whenever i hear the soundtrack i can feel this thing inside me that makes me choke a bit i loved how amazing the story telling was i really hope beyond good and evil 2 or a remake of the first one gets the success it deserves
Dear ubi soft your original left a great and happy memory on my mind from child hood and im 27 now and am still inlove with the original. The story line was beautiful and how it felt to explore was a whole new sensation and feel to think you guys are making a sequel nothing like the original is truly sad so I'm glad ill never play it nor will I look into it because nothing ever beats the original.
I had met this french dude who used to work on Beyond Good and Evil Two, and he told me it was the gaming industry biggest lie... When I asked him why, he said they have no idea what they're doing. That was 2 years ago
There's are a few important details missing about the development of the second game. At E3 2018, Ubisoft announced on stage a partnership with Hit Record, a company owned by Joseph Gordon Levitt, which would allow them to include fan content into the game, from artwork, to sound recordings and 3D models, and get paid to do so. Source: /watch?v=PeK9CP84Qlk However, the amount Ubi made available to pay these contributors was only 50 thousand dollars, and it was supposed to be distributed equally among all of them. TBSkyen has a video on the situation /watch?v=cFRoKKnaZds Also, while they had shown the game at a playable state multiple times by 2017 and 2018, Ancel stated that a playable beta would only be available by the end of the 2019... Might also be worth noting the game was announced in 2017 as a prequel to the first game, and the captain at the end was rumored to be Jade's mom since Ancel said they were related and the game was set a generation before jade was born. However, on the 2018 trailer, the story is set after the first game since Peyj is part of the crew, and Jade is revealed at the end to be on the role of the villain boarding the ship with two Alpha Section soldiers by her side and carrying a bloody katana. To me, it seems like the reveal of the game was supposed to bring attention to the project and attract investors, but it was nowhere near being a project the team was certain they could deliver, and they probably didn't even had a story, so they tried to use the fans to help out and it just didn't worked out. I think Ubi is either too stubborn to say they cancelled the thing, or they'll take an ongoing project with low chance of success and refurbish into a Beyond Good and Evil game, since enough time would've passed they can just claim the project evolved into that state. Sad, Jade is such a compelling character and the first game is a real gem... for the most part. Well worth getting on Steam if you can.
@@MrCt40 no reason why not, other than having to tinker with stuff and look online a bit to get the PC version working properly. Probably easier to just emulate the gamecube version.
does anyone remember when Joseph Gordon Levitt's company teamed up with Ubisoft to have fans submit art, music, sound, and other stuff to Beyond Good and Evil 2? there wasn't much clarification if it was free labor or if people were getting paid. I haven't heard or seen anything from those who submitted work. i assume it's just sitting in a folder somewhere collecting dust
Gotta say Matt I’ve been watching your stuff for at least 8 years now and it’s still the same feeling but more adapted to TH-cam nowadays and in my opinion your stuff now is the best it’s been. Wha happen is my favourite series of yours and I look forward to every episode. Keep it going and I’ll be a fan for 8 more years!
The direction they're going with the sequel completely missed the point of what made the first game so charming. Don't get why they think everything has to be so edgy and M rated.
My best guess: They see games like Gears, Uncharted, GTA, Mortal Kombat, Assassin's Creed, and others be sales giants, realize the rating attached to them, and think to themselves that the rating is what defines a successful game.
@@nybxcrotona I agree! It's a shame that this is the thought process of starting out a game vs actually making something unique and fun. I get you have to get the pitch across. Hopefully Gamepads will get devs to take more risk.
@@nybxcrotona Even though Uncharted was rated T (although in fairnes, they probably hold a record for most uses of "shit" in a T), that's probably the best reason I can think of, too.
I remember playing this on the GameCube as a kid. I didn't get much further than the part where you go to the resistance hideout early on. Hearing the audio log of a monster killing someone scared me as a kid and made me not want to go anywhere near the next part of the game. I spent the rest of my time playing minigames and exploring. I remember seeing the upgrade at the shop that let you go to space and being excited to get it. Unfortunately, I never got far enough to reach that point. I should really replay this game sometime and finally beat it.
I remember buying Beyond Good and Evil as a kid. It was the first full price, non-preowned game I ever bought. The box art just intrigued me. I fell completely in love with the game and I keep coming back to it every other year.
oh man i’ve only watched a few of these what happened videos but i’m slowly becoming addicted. these videos are too good man. time to watch all 100 of these things
Being a BG&E fan is suffering. Honestly I lost all confidence that modern Ubisoft could do BG&E2 well. Even if it does come out before I die, I might not even bother.
@@vcom741 Ancel's allegations were the least worrisome of the MANY allegations that came from Ubisoft last year. I think the Se* assault claims and r*pe claims are arguably worse. :/
Reads as the allegations were dead on and there was a possibility he had said some really bad shit if he jumped ship. Clearly saw that he was going to be outright fired (maybe even blacklisted) from whatever the investigation was going to turn up so quit before they could have a chance to keep digging
Me and my dad played BG&E a lot when I was growing up. And he really loved that game. The constant teasing and canceling of the sequel has been driving him nuts.
i kinda wish for a BG&E 2 but the original was the game which brought me into gaming but Ubisoft today would not accomplish anything that gives a feeling close to the original. I remember sitting down with my dad and brother to play it together i still replay it every few years just for the good old times. maybe it is better to be left as it is a good memory of my first and till today favorite game.
@@steve43ful idk if a company that big could pull off a smoke and mirror move that smoothly, too many pairs of eyes. Short term probably they could get away with it but long term?
My start of 2003 was insane because I played (and finished) BG&E in 3 days, and later in the year I finished Prince of Persia. Loved both, love them for this day. It's hard to imagine that development of both was hurt by splitting the team because you don't feel that at all! Both are great, complete, they don't seem to have many bugs, player does not have a feeling that you are missing something. Oh how times have changed... xD
It's taken so long for BG&E2 to be made that once(or if) it does come out it will be the biggest jump in quality and shift of identity a sequel has accomplished. Judging from all the leaked footage, it looks like what the 3rd or fourth entry in a franchise would normally look like. The tone in what was shown of the sequel is so drastically different from the first game. It would be like in an alternate timeline where Capcom struggled to make a sequel to Resident Evil for nearly 2 decades and then they finally made one and it's what Resident Evil 5 was...
I remember reading a magazine piece about BG&E 2 back when I was in 8th grade...now I'm almost 30 and theres not a whole lot more information about it. Wild.
As soon as I saw the first trailer for BG&E2 I knew Ubisoft has no idea what they where doing. It's like they didn't even play the first one. BG&E is underrated cult classic.
I absolutely love BGE and have played it more times than I can count....but at this point, even if a sequel came out I would be hesitant. There is no way a sequel would be able to capture the feeling of the first or live up to ANYONE'S expectations.
I literally just clicked on the video and have yet to watch it but I just wanna thank you for talking about this game in any capacity. It remains one of my favorite video games ever and hardly gets mentioned anymore, though it is understandable (due to there only being one iteration SO FAR and with the original coming out so many years ago). Edit: Ok, I finished the video. Again, very cool to hear about the game in any capacity, though anytime the game itself is brought up I feel an immense amount of sadness. I just feel like whatever comes next either will not actually come to fruition and it will be officially canceled, or the next iteration won't be what the original had, which was lovable characters, incredible music, and a great amount of emotion. This is random but I remember years ago when I was in college (2009 I believe) I randomly messaged the composer of BG&E (Christophe Heral) on Facebook just to say how much I loved his work for the video game. I remember asking him if he knew anything about the next game, if it was really going to come out, etc. And he only said that he hoped it would but that he couldn't say anything else. Just random, but that it was SO long ago, and still nothing has come to fruition is just very depressing, especially now with the rumors of Ancel being abusive in the workplace.
This takes me back. I remember being maybe in middle school when this came out. I’d see the box on a store shelf or pics of it in a game magazine and “the girl with a camera and pig people” never appealed to me. I never cared enough to find out what the game was about or what type of game it even was.
I have no interest in the sequel. Period. The moment they said it was an online live service game with singleplayer elements but focused on online, it was dead to me. Im so sick to death of ubisofts typical online service based bull***.
2:40 - 3:00 This reminds me of another game that came out around this time made by Traveler's Tales, called Haven: Call of the King. That would also make for a good What Happened video since it was going to be a trilogy and had similar ambitions to this game. Some even calling it an early "No Man's Sky" for it's similarities in being able to take off, go to space, and land - all without loading screens.
Yuji Naka needs an entire What Happun dedicated to himself; Everything he made after leaving Sega had been nothing but failures, from Ivy the Kiwi? to Balan Wonderworld.
I have friends that worked at Ubisoft and that can attest that Marcel was a absolute dick to "bad" ideas and would not even negotiate, also if he was trying a build and it was multiplayer if he was killed 2 many times he would say the game is bad and might be dropped.
I think the hostage taking deserves a mention. I seem to remember that more than once, someone at Ubisoft suggested that if some other game sold well enough, it would bolster their finances and confidence enough to make and release BG&E 2. In other words "Buy our unrelated games, or your precious franchise gets it!"
@DylanZ1201 I mean...for basically just a re-release of a game with some added cosmetic content and a couple extra cutscenes I'd say they're still in the green
I had BG&E back when I was in high school and loved it but it was definitely one of those games where my friends were all like, "what the hell is this?" I have it on PC on Uplay - maybe I'll redownload and give it another try 20 years later
I tried this out a while back on PC. I definitely liked it, but I wish Jade was also more of a sleuth with her camera. I thought that would been a real cool character type to play as. I don't mind that she can fight still, but I would have liked there more sleuthing missions/levels. Maybe even do more camera based side quests too? Like, she can take pictures a product advertisement, a model, landmarks/geography, maybe paparazzi style mission? I dunno.
I’m actually shocked that no one or the video does state somehow that jade concept looks like her MK counterpart. Albeit Ubisoft’s take on the character
Imo the title is what killed it. As a kid i didnt get it and it felt to adult or serious for my taste at the time and the more i learned about it the more it felt conflicting with the title. Beyond evil would be fine, if a bit generic, but itd grab my attention as a kid But i absolutely would have bought it if it was called Beyond Advent Rising cause wheres the next entry in that series huh?
My uncle grabbed a bunch of ps1 and 2 games from a store apparently at random one day and gifted them to me to make up for (quite a few) missed birthdays/Christmases around this time. This was one of those games. I regret not playing it. (I was only ~9 and he'd bought me 10+ games, so I was overwhelmed and eventually lost it. As kids do.) But I did get to play a few of the Army Men games.. so, I did have a good time.
Kinda hypocritical of Ubisoft's higher management to somehow blame Beyond Good and Evil's designers for a perceived failure when they themselves meddled with the original design concept multiple times and then cannibalized their own product by launching it close to a new Prince of Persia installment.
And didn't market the game at all.
It's the execs' jobs to blame devs when the product fails, and praise and reward themselves when the product succeeds.
Exactly. I will never forget that Ubisoft kind of Messed with themselves, on that one. They put it not only so close to Prince of Persia, but it also was released around the time other yearly blockbusters come out. I believe they also release Rainbow SIX around that time. They basically threw 3 or so games right in the same couple of weeks. This was basically Ubisoft's Equivalent of "The Month of Madness".
Nah, the game is very unappealing and is the designer's fault
@@j.2512 Only the name.
"the teams efforts were split into two"
Aaah the sweet overture to the grim song of failure
@@eng3d But everybody knows what Fred & Daphne are doing when the gang splits up. 😄😁
@@eng3d it only worked when they joined at the end though
It worked for Naughty Dog, they split in two when they were working on Uncharted 3 and The Last Of Us and both those games ended up incredibly well.
@@lucasdellamaggiore "the exception that proves the rule"
@@lucasdellamaggiore
No it didn't. Uncharted 3 is the worst game in the series by far.
Not to mention that the BG&E soundtrack was pretty amazing imo.
"Home Sweet Home" is one of my all time favorite songs from a video game.
I remember when the game first launched, I joined in on the official forums and we kept whining for an OST release. Never got it, so someone got bored enough to look at the game files, and figured out a way to extract it from the PC version instead.
And then Ubi officially released it a few years later for the HD remaster anyway.
PROPAGANDA!
Fun fact: Beyond Good and Evil 2 has now been in development longer than Duke Nukem Forever.
And it’s reportedly still in early development.
uhhh wow
It was always going to be a disaster. Never resembled the original game. It would be Beyond Good and Evil in name only.
Isnt it supposed to release later in 2024? If rumors are to be believed i mean....
@@steve1279 the fact they actually make a remaster again has me excited, Im thinking it could come out in 2025
@@steve1279I'm a time traveler from the future. Unfortunately, definitely not releasing in 2024.
You can't run from Battlefront 2 forever. It will find you.
@@rootboyfloat Not the point. Like, at all.
Not how is is now but how it was. When it had surprise mechanics
@@rootboyfloat This series is more than just bad games. Its about bs that happen during development
@@rootboyfloat bruh he did a video on Doom 2016, thats not the point lmao
@@Lynch2507 lol cyberpunk was done and thate not even 1 year old yet
I played that HD re-release knowing literally nothing about it and by the end was like, this game is amazing, how have I never heard of it?! Some of the most unique and enjoyable characters in any game, actually reminded me of Dreamfall, another extremely underrated adventure game
Played the PC port a couple of years back, despite the shoddy port; fell in love in with it; truly a memorable experience and ahead of its time.
I remember playing the hell out of this when I was 17. I had just moved back to my moms house in Thunder Bay after living in London(Ontario) for a year with my older sister and my niece. My mom had taken a job in Toronto and was working there then while trying to sell this giant house(7bed-4bath) which used to be an old group home. It was just me and my little sister living there at the time. I didn't have a drivers licence but my mom's van was always there to use if the occasion arose to grab groceries(actually when i learned how to cook). Living in a rural suburban neighborhood(forests,trails,ravines,rivers,all that comfey stuff) just out side of the city by 6km(3.7mi) there was only this little tiny convenience store off the main drag, and they rented PS2 and Xbox games. For some reasons they had the ubi 3 at launch, Splitter cell, Prince of Persia and Beyond Good and Evil for rent at one time. The first two were rented out, So I rented Beyond good and evil, grabbed some Pepsi and Doritos(and cigarettes because I looked a lot older than 19 and was chummy with the Grandma behind the counter, and it was 2003. I no longer smoke) I re rented the game 2 times after the OG 3 day window to return so I could finish it. To this day, It still holds a special place in my heart for getting me through a tough time as a teen.
I loved this game, but the title always bugged me. There were very clearly good and evil characters! It was actually pretty straightforward!
Yeah that title's pretty garbage. Don't know what they were thinking there.
I got the impression when I was playing it references the news reporting subplot in the game. While the Domz themselves seem played pretty unambiguously evil, the news portrays the Alpha Sections as being good and worth supporting. Going beyond good and evil means searching for the truth, which often is more complicated. Or maybe it's about Jade herself, after what's revealed about her in the final stage. Kind of flimsy, I know. Maybe they just felt artsy game need artsy title.
I agree. It should be called "Space Minorities" instead.
From other stuff i read online, the Title would have made more sense when the Domz were to be considered a good race of aliens being manipulated to do evil things, but then someone decided it would be better to just make them more obviously evil instead of being slaves to another creature.
@@Dante-Balisk Maybe the alpha sections were controlling the domZ and now Jade controls them
Through the last year, you've quickly and easily become my favorite content creator. Hilarious, fun, and incredibly well edited videos, and an interesting concept to boot. Plus GODZILLA LOVE. You the man, man. Keep up the great work, you deserve all the love you've been getting!
I’ve always wanted to see an episode on Knights of the Old Republic 2, it’s short dev time, all the cut content, and the how the fans put it back together
Yes, please!!
The game that almost killed LucasArts
BG&E is one of those games that left a huge impact on me when I first played on the GC. To this day I can remember how it felt to explore that fascinating world, and it still hurts that if we get a sequel it is likely to be nothing like the original.
It's such an unusually varied experience too. Open world, stealth, platforming, action, racing. It didn't excel at any of them, but it all managed to entertain and never really overstayed it's welcome. Sort of a videogame smorgasbord.
“And we still have quite a few left.” Oh god, I don’t know if I’m ready for AC Unity yet
Matt, your videos rock. You rock. Thanks for making a year-long quarantine just a little easier for all of us.
Agree 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
He's a workhorse, I'm always impressed by the quality and quantity of his content.
@@creatorsfreedom6734 Stop spreading racist stereotypes, that isn't how animal to human virus transmission works.
The bat needs to infect a second animal, most often times porc, the virus than mutates and is consumed
@@creatorsfreedom6734 In other words: every time you undercook pork and poultry, you risk catching a zoonotic disease
I agree with this so fucking much. Matt, man, you are quite beloved my friend.
I’m a bit surprised Ubisoft only has like what 2 “Wha Happuns?!”
Which is the other one?
@@ramenchoudhury8414 Haze
There's a lot of wha happuns that can be made on ubisoft. Watch dogs 1, AC Unity, Call of Jaurez: the Cartel, etc.
@@smackzack6640 And let's not forget about the Rayman Ravin Rabbit game which started as two VERY DIFFERENT projects! I'm sure Matt could do an 1 hour video on that one mess.
@@steel5897 Ubisoft can make good games
This really hurts me, I love BG&E and when I see the news about Ancel all my hope for the sequel vanished
So exhausted with games anymore. Either you get story with no budget, or a budget with no story.
Yeah sucks that the dude is an abusive asshole
To be honest, when I saw that tech demo for BG&E2 that showed them trying to simulate entire planets and star systems, I immediately got red flags that the project was way too ambitious and nothing like the original game.
@@SamoyedSagas No is not.
Michel Ancel is a great person.
@cylintruclemachin9560 well the dude walked out on it to pursue his dream. I do hope the team finds a new director. Actually I'm going to look it up
We need Beyond Good & Evil 2: What is Happening?
@Ability Drain which is why I said “What is Happening” and not “What Happened”
Or maybe "Beyond Good & Evil 2: Will It Happen?"
@Ability Drain yeah I have a feeling it’s in development hell right now
@Ability Drain so is “star citizen” doesn’t mean it’s ever gonna be finished
@Ability Drain lol
I dream of the day Matt will do a What Happened? on Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
Oh yeah I heard that series went through hell to get made. Still turned out great though
I got the 1st game on playstation a month ago and just started playing it. It really stands out and has interesting ideas, with a few flaws, especially the camera
YES!!!
If it got a remake I wouldnt say no
@@CraigAndrews666 adding the cut content would be a must
I really love the design of Jade who always look a bit like a mix of Alyx Vance from Half Life² and Gwen from "Total Drama Island" (because of the green lips) whilst also having the tough adventure vibes of Lara Croft. She really stood out and it was great playing her. You really cared for the characters, despite the cartoony look. It actually fits much better than this uncanny valley look of the pitched sequel.
@Alucard-A-La-Carte
Do you live in an alternate universe or something?
You forgot to mention how the trailer for BGE2 was filled to the brim with hilariously edgy swearing for no reason.
Yeah, swearing in media doesn't bother me in general, but after how charming the dialogue in the original game was it was pretty weird to hear a trailer where every characters drops the F Bomb literally every other sentence.
It was super bizarre, like if Ubisoft was afraid that people that didn't know BG&E would saw the talking animals and thought that it was for little kids, so they tried to make it sound as edgy as possible.
@@CrnchyToast that being said, if they make BG&E2 Jade needs ONE (1) precision F strike. No other swearing just to make the impact stronger.
It’s like the entire dev team was finished of twelve-year-old boys. That’s about the age when excessive swearing is ‘edgy!’ It was a complete turn-off.
thank you for pointing that out. A handful of swearing and f-bombs is fine and dandy but what they showed was just an onslaught! really killed my hype just as quick : /
I bet you anything BG&E2 is never coming out, how "marketable" do they think a title is that didn't sell well at the time and now resembles it about as much as Ubisoft resembles a competent gaming development studio.
Also it's an overdue sequel. So you know what that means: If it does come out, it will very likely be bad.
The thing is it sold poorly at the time because it was kneecapped by practically every party involved (the head developer suddenly saying 'nope let's go somewhere else' through development. The publishers not marketing the damn thing. And the fact gaming as a whole was in the 'we need more edge' phase of life which BG&E was not geared toward) the game not selling well was not it's fault, hell the fact the digital version sold very well should be telling that it is in fact viable in the modern day
@xXDimistreoXx, "I bet you anything BG&E2 is never coming out"
Meanwhile Bayonetta 3 was announced for years ago, and fans aren't anywhere near as upset. But we don't hear about Beyond Good and Evil 2 for the same amount of time? Apparently the game's a failure; it's never coming out!!!
Even if it does finally come out, it likely won't be the one fans of the original want. The more recent stuff seems like they are rebooting without calling it a reboot to fit quirks and themes popular with other genres instead of building off what people liked of the original
Besides, BG&E 2 is going to be what Ubisoft thinks we want instead of what we actually want. We want a Zelda-esque game (aka pre BOTW) but with a better photography system then the first game. Ubisoft wants to make another of their bog standard open-world games with nothing resembling what the original was
Beyond Good and Evil 2 was originally announced in 2008. We are two years away from surpassing Duke Nukem Forever and it looks set to fly past that insane mark with ease.
The biggest impact the first game had on me was during the holiday it launched. At the time I was a recent high school grad working at a pizza place and the manager was the most laid back dude bro imaginable, someone who was great to work with but how they got that position being baffling. The guy was big into Madden, GTA, and all the most main stream of titles at the time. For some reason he got Beyond Good and Evil for Christmas and could not stop raving about how much he liked it. To me that was a shock considering he had a hell of a dislike for Zelda and similar titles so of course I had to check it out. Dude was on point with that recommendation.
As soon as you started that long winded Peter Jackson introduction I knew there was a Dead Alive reference coming, felt it in my bones.
Man I loved this game back in the day. The colorful world, the charming characters, being able to take photographs of whales in space, etc. I hate that the cliffhanger was never properly followed up on.
When I saw Child of Light it reminded me of how ubisoft forgets this awesome small games, but then again it's ubisoft...
The same Ubisoft that protects abusers
Matt, you made the past year bearable and gave me something to look forward to every week when the world was filled with snot. You rock. Your videos are excellent. Thank you.
And here we are... still waiting for the sequel...
Dawg I still look up bg&e2 every other month hoping I get some new news
I almost forgot they're even making a sequel until you remind me
Everything I've seen from the sequel is the EXACT opposite of what I want from that game.
I'm still waiting for the HD port of the first game to come to PS4 and Switch, but it'll never happen.
@@MoccaDeShibe This comment had to remind you? You forgot about it's existence even though you clicked on the video that says BG&E2 in the thumbnail?
I don't trust modern Ubisoft with BG&E2. I'll be a pig's uncle if it ever comes out and is any good.
If any previews mention climbing towers to unveil more of the map, there will be tears.
I'm dreading the seemingly inevitable Duke Nukem Forever outcome.
@Joni Seppänen, yeah; let's ignore the fact, that they've made stuff like the Far Cry Series, Mario Rabbids and the sequel in development, Immortal Feynix Rising, etc. Oh nevermind; you're too close-minded and assume that everything they make is bad. Moving on...
@@juanstrong3695 far cry series on modern era is...just far cry 3 but on different location...they never improved the formula ever again
@@juanstrong3695 and they made splinter cell rayman and more quality games
You need to do a What Happened about Kameo Elements of Power. It has a troubled production caused by a buyout, it was made through 4 consoles from the 64 to the 360, worked with 2 different publishers, Nintendo and Microsoft and even had a cancelled sequel.
Perfet Dark Zero would be interesting too, since it's a similar story and it ended up being far worse than Kameo
@@oscarzxn4067 Oh yeah I agree, Kameo turned out at least for me a great underated classic, Zero tho is a very sad game
@@diegocalderon5190 I actually enjoyed Zero.
@@Maverick.D. that's great, I'm glad you enjoyed that game, as a Rare fan I really wish I could like Zero, maybe I need to give another chance
it hurts. Beyond good and evil was one of the first games i ever played i loved it so much whenever i hear the soundtrack i can feel this thing inside me that makes me choke a bit i loved how amazing the story telling was i really hope beyond good and evil 2 or a remake of the first one gets the success it deserves
This video highkey made me sad cause it reminded me of my childhood of watching my mom play this game. we've been waiting for a sequel since then.
Dear ubi soft your original left a great and happy memory on my mind from child hood and im 27 now and am still inlove with the original.
The story line was beautiful and how it felt to explore was a whole new sensation and feel to think you guys are making a sequel nothing like the original is truly sad so I'm glad ill never play it nor will I look into it because nothing ever beats the original.
I had met this french dude who used to work on Beyond Good and Evil Two, and he told me it was the gaming industry biggest lie... When I asked him why, he said they have no idea what they're doing. That was 2 years ago
There's are a few important details missing about the development of the second game.
At E3 2018, Ubisoft announced on stage a partnership with Hit Record, a company owned by Joseph Gordon Levitt, which would allow them to include fan content into the game, from artwork, to sound recordings and 3D models, and get paid to do so. Source: /watch?v=PeK9CP84Qlk
However, the amount Ubi made available to pay these contributors was only 50 thousand dollars, and it was supposed to be distributed equally among all of them.
TBSkyen has a video on the situation /watch?v=cFRoKKnaZds
Also, while they had shown the game at a playable state multiple times by 2017 and 2018, Ancel stated that a playable beta would only be available by the end of the 2019...
Might also be worth noting the game was announced in 2017 as a prequel to the first game, and the captain at the end was rumored to be Jade's mom since Ancel said they were related and the game was set a generation before jade was born. However, on the 2018 trailer, the story is set after the first game since Peyj is part of the crew, and Jade is revealed at the end to be on the role of the villain boarding the ship with two Alpha Section soldiers by her side and carrying a bloody katana.
To me, it seems like the reveal of the game was supposed to bring attention to the project and attract investors, but it was nowhere near being a project the team was certain they could deliver, and they probably didn't even had a story, so they tried to use the fans to help out and it just didn't worked out. I think Ubi is either too stubborn to say they cancelled the thing, or they'll take an ongoing project with low chance of success and refurbish into a Beyond Good and Evil game, since enough time would've passed they can just claim the project evolved into that state.
Sad, Jade is such a compelling character and the first game is a real gem... for the most part. Well worth getting on Steam if you can.
Been waiting since I played this game when I was 7/8 for the sequel. I'm now 25
I'm now 50 and I was 9
I played BG&E when I was around 12. Now I'm almost 30. I think I've bought about 20 copies of the game over the years, lol
@@VengFPV should I buy this in 2021 ?
@@MrCt40 no reason why not, other than having to tinker with stuff and look online a bit to get the PC version working properly. Probably easier to just emulate the gamecube version.
This is one of those games I have to remind myself that I do have.
does anyone remember when Joseph Gordon Levitt's company teamed up with Ubisoft to have fans submit art, music, sound, and other stuff to Beyond Good and Evil 2? there wasn't much clarification if it was free labor or if people were getting paid. I haven't heard or seen anything from those who submitted work. i assume it's just sitting in a folder somewhere collecting dust
Gotta say Matt I’ve been watching your stuff for at least 8 years now and it’s still the same feeling but more adapted to TH-cam nowadays and in my opinion your stuff now is the best it’s been. Wha happen is my favourite series of yours and I look forward to every episode. Keep it going and I’ll be a fan for 8 more years!
My man elevating all of TH-cam with his content.
The direction they're going with the sequel completely missed the point of what made the first game so charming. Don't get why they think everything has to be so edgy and M rated.
My best guess: They see games like Gears, Uncharted, GTA, Mortal Kombat, Assassin's Creed, and others be sales giants, realize the rating attached to them, and think to themselves that the rating is what defines a successful game.
@@nybxcrotona I agree! It's a shame that this is the thought process of starting out a game vs actually making something unique and fun. I get you have to get the pitch across. Hopefully Gamepads will get devs to take more risk.
@@nybxcrotona Even though Uncharted was rated T (although in fairnes, they probably hold a record for most uses of "shit" in a T), that's probably the best reason I can think of, too.
I remember playing this on the GameCube as a kid. I didn't get much further than the part where you go to the resistance hideout early on. Hearing the audio log of a monster killing someone scared me as a kid and made me not want to go anywhere near the next part of the game. I spent the rest of my time playing minigames and exploring. I remember seeing the upgrade at the shop that let you go to space and being excited to get it. Unfortunately, I never got far enough to reach that point. I should really replay this game sometime and finally beat it.
Can't wait until 2030 when you make a video on the sequel to this game!
I remember buying Beyond Good and Evil as a kid. It was the first full price, non-preowned game I ever bought. The box art just intrigued me. I fell completely in love with the game and I keep coming back to it every other year.
oh man i’ve only watched a few of these what happened videos but i’m slowly becoming addicted. these videos are too good man.
time to watch all 100 of these things
Being a BG&E fan is suffering.
Honestly I lost all confidence that modern Ubisoft could do BG&E2 well. Even if it does come out before I die, I might not even bother.
That intro is amazing
Congrats on 100 episodes of this amazing series. Hope it continues for 100 more!
“4 years ago” wow that is a long time. Looks at date of video. 3 years ago. Oh no
I remember here in Canada they gave this game away for free in a pack of cheese.
was it at least fancy cheese? /s
@@sickleds It was a pack of cheese strings type thing.
I was waiting for him to mention that because that's the only thing I remember about this game lol
What da fuq?
@@arnox4554 look it up as weird as it sounds it's true
Congratulations on 100 episodes! I wasn’t here when it started, but I knew I had to be here for the it’s hundredth. Keep up the good work!
Ancel quit during investigations
That's not sus at all lmao
IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING
I am at least happy it's just verbal abuse accusations, and not anything regarding physical harm (not that shouting at your team is good though)
@@vcom741 Ancel's allegations were the least worrisome of the MANY allegations that came from Ubisoft last year. I think the Se* assault claims and r*pe claims are arguably worse. :/
@@LinusVinnportlaced Yeee. I think that's why I haven't heard of them.
Reads as the allegations were dead on and there was a possibility he had said some really bad shit if he jumped ship. Clearly saw that he was going to be outright fired (maybe even blacklisted) from whatever the investigation was going to turn up so quit before they could have a chance to keep digging
A Bucky O'Hare reference in the year of our Lord 2021? Beautiful.
one channel that's been popping into my feeds lately just did a review of the franchise last week
It's amazing some ancient cartoon you saw as a kid suddenly appearing before your eyes in a random video suddenly filling you with childhood memories.
I always felt like Beyond Good and Evil's story and setting were almost like Half-Life 2 but for kids in a way.
Me and my dad played BG&E a lot when I was growing up.
And he really loved that game.
The constant teasing and canceling of the sequel has been driving him nuts.
I literally wake up on days you drop videos so I can watch them as quickly as possible. Always fantastic, sir.
What? E3 trailer had been 4 years now? Time sure flies.... My memory still ringed like it was 2 years ago..
i kinda wish for a BG&E 2 but the original was the game which brought me into gaming but Ubisoft today would not accomplish anything that gives a feeling close to the original. I remember sitting down with my dad and brother to play it together i still replay it every few years just for the good old times. maybe it is better to be left as it is a good memory of my first and till today favorite game.
Thanks for being my therapy every morning. Your Ninja Blade vid got me through the shit times that is 2020 and present. Ty sir.
Where the hell is number 2 they teased us and I’m pissed
Probably stuck in development hell.
Just like 'Rayman 4', I don't know whats going to happen to it now that Michel Ancel quit the industry
nobody would buy it...
Probably smoke and mirrors to value the company higher when they were trying to avoid a hostile takeover.
@@steve43ful idk if a company that big could pull off a smoke and mirror move that smoothly, too many pairs of eyes. Short term probably they could get away with it but long term?
My start of 2003 was insane because I played (and finished) BG&E in 3 days, and later in the year I finished Prince of Persia. Loved both, love them for this day. It's hard to imagine that development of both was hurt by splitting the team because you don't feel that at all! Both are great, complete, they don't seem to have many bugs, player does not have a feeling that you are missing something. Oh how times have changed... xD
It's taken so long for BG&E2 to be made that once(or if) it does come out it will be the biggest jump in quality and shift of identity a sequel has accomplished. Judging from all the leaked footage, it looks like what the 3rd or fourth entry in a franchise would normally look like. The tone in what was shown of the sequel is so drastically different from the first game. It would be like in an alternate timeline where Capcom struggled to make a sequel to Resident Evil for nearly 2 decades and then they finally made one and it's what Resident Evil 5 was...
This game has one of those soundtracks that just opens a vault of old memories. Beautiful stuff
I remember reading a magazine piece about BG&E 2 back when I was in 8th grade...now I'm almost 30 and theres not a whole lot more information about it. Wild.
same, im not gonna buy this game if it comes out. so we just forgetting the huge cliffhanger at the end of BGE1
Goes to show that marketing is very important in an games success, even more than the quality of the game itself.
I loved this game. Kinda heartbreaking to see it swept under the rug.
As soon as I saw the first trailer for BG&E2 I knew Ubisoft has no idea what they where doing. It's like they didn't even play the first one. BG&E is underrated cult classic.
I love this whole series! Thanks for the great research Matt
Congrats matt for the 100 episode of what happun , and thank you for the laughs along the way
I absolutely love BGE and have played it more times than I can count....but at this point, even if a sequel came out I would be hesitant. There is no way a sequel would be able to capture the feeling of the first or live up to ANYONE'S expectations.
I literally just clicked on the video and have yet to watch it but I just wanna thank you for talking about this game in any capacity. It remains one of my favorite video games ever and hardly gets mentioned anymore, though it is understandable (due to there only being one iteration SO FAR and with the original coming out so many years ago).
Edit: Ok, I finished the video. Again, very cool to hear about the game in any capacity, though anytime the game itself is brought up I feel an immense amount of sadness. I just feel like whatever comes next either will not actually come to fruition and it will be officially canceled, or the next iteration won't be what the original had, which was lovable characters, incredible music, and a great amount of emotion.
This is random but I remember years ago when I was in college (2009 I believe) I randomly messaged the composer of BG&E (Christophe Heral) on Facebook just to say how much I loved his work for the video game. I remember asking him if he knew anything about the next game, if it was really going to come out, etc. And he only said that he hoped it would but that he couldn't say anything else. Just random, but that it was SO long ago, and still nothing has come to fruition is just very depressing, especially now with the rumors of Ancel being abusive in the workplace.
This takes me back. I remember being maybe in middle school when this came out. I’d see the box on a store shelf or pics of it in a game magazine and “the girl with a camera and pig people” never appealed to me. I never cared enough to find out what the game was about or what type of game it even was.
The fact BG&E hasn’t been re-released on the switch baffles me.
The game that barely sold any copies? Yeah, truly baffling.
Yes! Thank you for this!
1 suffered from being compared to Zelda
2 unfortunately has to deal with being a Ubisoft game
I have no interest in the sequel. Period. The moment they said it was an online live service game with singleplayer elements but focused on online, it was dead to me. Im so sick to death of ubisofts typical online service based bull***.
2:40 - 3:00 This reminds me of another game that came out around this time made by Traveler's Tales, called Haven: Call of the King. That would also make for a good What Happened video since it was going to be a trilogy and had similar ambitions to this game. Some even calling it an early "No Man's Sky" for it's similarities in being able to take off, go to space, and land - all without loading screens.
Very nice of Yuji Naka to release Balan Wonderworld specifically so it can end up on 'What Happened?'
Yuji Naka needs an entire What Happun dedicated to himself; Everything he made after leaving Sega had been nothing but failures, from Ivy the Kiwi? to Balan Wonderworld.
@@X2011racer goooooooood call
Given how good Rodea apparently turned out, I'd put my money on Square being at fault for that one.
@@X2011racer Billy Hatcher and Rodea for the Wii was really good. So for the most part he did a real solid job
@@wee-ba-noob5740 Billy Hatcher was developed by Sonic Team, so that was before Yuji Naka left Sega, and therefore doesn't count.
I have friends that worked at Ubisoft and that can attest that Marcel was a absolute dick to "bad" ideas and would not even negotiate, also if he was trying a build and it was multiplayer if he was killed 2 many times he would say the game is bad and might be dropped.
As always, fantastic work, Matt.
Happy to see when you dive into a new What Happened :)
Can't wait for Rodea The Sky Soldier.
10:23 Briefly thought the guy was Dermot Morgan (Star of Father Ted) for a second.
i’m a simple woman. i see an extended dead alive reference, i give the video a like
Love your videos Matt! Great at breaking it all down and putting it back together for a layman to see.
My heart becomes warmed when Matt McMuscles skull mascot opens his mouth with that gregarious smile in the intro
I think the hostage taking deserves a mention. I seem to remember that more than once, someone at Ubisoft suggested that if some other game sold well enough, it would bolster their finances and confidence enough to make and release BG&E 2. In other words "Buy our unrelated games, or your precious franchise gets it!"
One of my favorite games of all time! Heavily recommend playing it.
Hopefully the 20th Anniversary Edition will sell well.
And the cycle continues
Judging from the low amount of Steam reviews, it’s not doing well at all.
@DylanZ1201 I mean...for basically just a re-release of a game with some added cosmetic content and a couple extra cutscenes I'd say they're still in the green
Now do a 2 Hours - What Happened? on Atari. AAANNNDDD GO!
I had BG&E back when I was in high school and loved it but it was definitely one of those games where my friends were all like, "what the hell is this?" I have it on PC on Uplay - maybe I'll redownload and give it another try 20 years later
I tried this out a while back on PC. I definitely liked it, but I wish Jade was also more of a sleuth with her camera. I thought that would been a real cool character type to play as. I don't mind that she can fight still, but I would have liked there more sleuthing missions/levels. Maybe even do more camera based side quests too? Like, she can take pictures a product advertisement, a model, landmarks/geography, maybe paparazzi style mission? I dunno.
Even the first game was conflicted.
I’m actually shocked that no one or the video does state somehow that jade concept looks like her MK counterpart. Albeit Ubisoft’s take on the character
Thank you for your excellent videos Mr. Matthew Mcmuscles. I can binge watch “Wha Happun” all day. I appreciate it.
Imo the title is what killed it. As a kid i didnt get it and it felt to adult or serious for my taste at the time and the more i learned about it the more it felt conflicting with the title. Beyond evil would be fine, if a bit generic, but itd grab my attention as a kid
But i absolutely would have bought it if it was called Beyond Advent Rising cause wheres the next entry in that series huh?
3 years later and still nothing..
It's a good thing that Ubisoft has learned that releasing multiple games a couple of weeks apart from each other can hurt the sales of a new IP -_-
My uncle grabbed a bunch of ps1 and 2 games from a store apparently at random one day and gifted them to me to make up for (quite a few) missed birthdays/Christmases around this time. This was one of those games. I regret not playing it. (I was only ~9 and he'd bought me 10+ games, so I was overwhelmed and eventually lost it. As kids do.) But I did get to play a few of the Army Men games.. so, I did have a good time.
The shot of the skeleton in the corner is someone who decided to wait for the game to come out.
Now that’s timing I finished this game for the first time today
“I don’t think that people are malevolent or evil about that…” A comment that aged really poorly regarding Ubi management