Mister Dygo Sasuke was ALLOWED to break out of Tsukuyomi, I dont care wut data book said becuz its wrong 😑. Creator r known to forget stuffs. Once Tsukuyomi is cast its over, this go for Madara as well 😃.
@@CeuAzulll I think that was the intent even in him transforming himself into that snake thing may have been to get closer to perfecting his Sage mode. I think that perfect vessel literally means able to use perfect snake Sage mode. You could even see the curse mark as something to prime the body towards Sage mode.
People misinterpret Orochimaru’s immortality/body transfer jutsu heavily. It’s stated he can only use it once every 3 years but that doesn’t mean every body he steals only lasts that long. I believe it’s implied if he transfers into a strong body like Kimimaro or Sasuke’s then it could last much longer potentially even an entire lifespan. If they all lasted three years by default there wouldn’t be a reason for him to select Genyumaru as the strongest available.
@@lucario2able Only because they're too weak to contain his essence. It's strongly implied that a body that's strong enough would be able to be his host for its entire lifespan. This is partly the reason he branded his prospective vessels with cursed seals, which contained part of his consciousness and sage chakra. It was a test of whether their bodies could handle being his host.
90% of the times whenever a Mangaka wants to get rid of a character with strong potential they either give them a disease or have them die sacrificing themself
Those are 2 different scenarios so your adds automatically moves to 45% that either one will happen, plus im pretty sure it happen way less thn 90% for character to have a disease or unalive thm selfs probably less thn 50% for sure but lets say it happens 50% of the time at best... well its still 2 different scenarios so it will be 25% that they will have a disease or unalive thm self. I bet it's even less thn 25% its definitely no where near 90% lmao
People forget that Orochimaru got scarily close to just winning everything multiple times. Also, Orochimaru knew sage mode, his body was just too weak to handle it. Kimmimaro would solve that handily.
@@1DAR26the Curse mark isnt really using sage mode chakra its closer too Jugos clan ability to pull in nature chakra without trying too and also transforming from said absorption But without a doubt he would be able to use Sage Mode easily with either perfect Vessel
Sage Mode chakra is when you balance Nature chakra with your own chakra the curse mark doesnt allow you to control it because its Non stop absorption causing Mutations while going berserk
@@BlaxkSun 😂😂you need to reRead i said without a doubt he would be able to go sage mode with either perfect vessel since we know the only issue is his Body isnt strong enough sorta how mitsuki body would deteriorate when he used it Pre 2BV
Lets not forget that Healthy Kimimaro, lowball, tiers above Taka. Kimimaro was able to suppress Jugo during his rampages, and though we don't see it (So much of his best feats are off screen) what we do see is a Kimimaro with his spine wrapped around Jugo. To me, the implications are that Kimimaro was able to handle Jugo without resorting to his own Curse Mark -- so he was a late Shippuden tier character. Now, add to that all of Orochimaru's knowledge, experience, and Jutsu? Yeah, Kimichimaru would have been a War Arc tiered character, especially if Kimimaro was able to stalemate with KCM Naruto.
Kimimaro suppressed a Juugo who was 2.5 to 3 years younger than he was when we seen him in Shippuden. He was weaker just by being younger in development years.
I dont think he should have been the main character, i do however think he should have been the main villian though. I would have much rather seen him get a sharingan or byakugan and became a demi-god level villian for Naruto to face. Orochimaru was hands down the coolest villian in the series. He had so much potential and it was all squandered.
I know it's a retconn but it's a nice bit of consistency that Orochimaru primarily wanted the body of a descendant of the Sage of Six Paths, presumably to achieve the Rinnegan and use it to master all jutsu.
I think the main reason was a strong enough vessel that wouldn't die from having orochimaru in it. Remember orochimaru spent yrs developing this jutsu and had a few prior hosts. The descendants of the sage all had uniquely powerful bodies.
I believe this is what the Naruto games lack. More "What if" characters. CC2 developed both Ultimate Ninja and Ultimate Ninja Storm series. While they get very creative with characters UJ, cinematic cut scenes, and quick time inputs, they kinda fell flat on providing characters from an alternate story. Connections tried with Hagoromo, but they didn't stick the landing. In UN2 on the PS2 they gave us Taiutsu Naruto and Byakugan Hinata, which are a Naruto that is training under the same methods as Gai and Lee and a Hinata that trains crazy like Neji. A "What if" Orochimaru took control over a healthy Kimimaro's body would be a great installment into the video game series and would definitely have fans of the series wanting to buy that game, play the character and see if there's any interesting lore behind it.
If Orochimaru obtained Kimimaro's healthy body before the invasion, then he would have absolutely crushed the third Hokage without loosing his arms, as Kabuto implied. Thus the Leaf Village would have either been completely wiped out or at least much more devastated. If it happened after the invasion, then Kimimaro would have helped kill the third Hokage individually and then also have killed both Gaara and Lee during the Sasuke Rescue arc, which would be bad. Kimimaro's body likely wouldnt have rejected Orochimaru's spirit as he was an ideal host like Sasuke, as it was implied that certain candidates that were either willing or steeped in dark thoughts could sustain Orochimaru's soul indefinitely. Otherwise even if Orochimaru did get Sasuke's body he also would have lost it in just 3 years. From there the plot just snowballs and Orochimaru basically just wins harder, especially if you start giving him shit like perfect Sage Mode or an improved Edo Tensei.
Kimminaro isn't touching Lee or Gaara. Gaara didn't even go full 1 tails against Kimimaro. Lee got saved by Gaara. I don't see Kimimaro winning against full power Gaara. I also dont see Kimimaro winning against Sage mode Jiraiya who wouldve stopped full scale Konoha destruction.
We don't know how, but there's no way Orochimaru would have put that much effort into getting Sasuke's body for 3 years. He had some way to keep a proper host indefinitely. Since it seems to have come from the body dying, it's likely that a durable enough body would be able to handle Orochimaru's soul without falling apart.
@enma8441 Gaara's full power is his base. The same Gaara we see fight Kimimaro in the story. Gaara can't control Shukaku's power as Shukaku doesn't want to help him. He'll rather have Gaara die before he lend him a hand. If Gaara were to control Shukaku or work together like Gyuki and Bee or Kurama and Naruto then Gaara would've beaten a healthy Kimimaro and Deidara years later.
@@quentinjones6877Lee was recovering from his surgery and left the village to go help. A fully recovered Lee using the 5th Gate would've caused some damage to a healthy Kimimaro, but again, a healthy Kimimaro would've been too overwhelming for them. Also, Lee opened a gate to perform the Primary Lotus but was stopped by Kimimaro.
As he is my favorite character I really appreciate the video. Orochimaru knew so much more than everybody else it kinda baffles me. He was studying the interaction between sharingan and mokuton decades before the 4th war. I personally believe he read the stone black Zetsu altered to fool Madara. His goal was the rinnegan all along. Obito knew that (he always was like "damn htf did oro know that?! Wtf"), that's why killing him was one of Akatsuki's priorities.
I've always wondered if Orochimaru can keep the abilities of the bodies he inhabits even after they've expired, otherwise it would be pretty useless for him to get Sasuke's body only for being able to use a sharingan for four years at best...
His goal is to learn all the jutsus in the world, so 4 years with automatic copy of jutsus is pretty awesome. Also, he could try to sort out the secrets of sharingan too and also learn how to fight back vs a sharingan user. So no, it wouldn't be useless at all.
@@lorenzoantonelli6467 That’s not how eyeballs work in Naruto. The Sharengan can live on if it’s host died. That’s how Danzo gets his eyes. By killing Uchiha
There were actually people with sealing jutsu present on the sidelines for the samurai and Mifune, we saw them immediately show up when Mifune beat Hanzo and then retreat again. So Kimimaro and Chiyo beating a KCM Naruto clone is pretty much a thing that did happen, becuz if either of them were hit by the Rasenshuriken they’d be knocked out for too long and they’d get sealed. It seems like…insanely impossible, but if you actually add up the list of people who can react to the Raikage (who is pretty even with KCM Naruto in speed) you’ve got people like Jugo and Suigetsu and we know that Kimimaro regularly overpowered Jugo
After hearing discussions that Orochimaru was holding back while fighting the 3rd Hokage, it made sense to me Kimimaro being there was more than making the assassination go more smoothly. I think the whole "past vs. future self" Orochimaru wanted to see Kimimaro's full power at work before casting away any doubts about his next vessel....beautiful :)
It was probably too many choices. We don't know about the body he used to kill the kazekage and hokage with. Why not have bone soilder as long as possible? He was stronger than sauske was before sauske absorbed orochimaru. That's basically an akaski lv slave.
@@Josephextremebro itachi is not beating this version of snake bro. Bro would just by pass the charka mech by spawning bones under it and then travel it or use inorganic reanimtion on it
Orichimaru would also be able to modify the Reanimation Jutsu, cause bro isn't just a collector, he is also an inventor. He will easily notice the flaws in Tobirama's jutsu. Also, if Orichimaru is strengthened, he should have enough power to fully control Madara.
Actually, with Orochimaru's passion for genetic engineering, I see him at some point getting Sasuke's body and then transplanting Kimimaro's kekkei genkai into it so he has both. As well as all the abilities of Sound 5 like Kabuto did. Maybe more. And he'd make it so you don't even have to sprout the people out and make them use the powers; he'd just have them natively. He may even just clone his body and possess the clone every time he needs to transfer so he wouldn't even bother having to find other people. Don't see him unlocking mongekyo, although it's possible since it should be a thing people saw the Uchiha use. The should be no way for Itachi to rescue Sasuke from Orochimaru. Orochimaru was only able to do that because of his control over his own biology. He could just sprout out of Sasuke and break off. Because the others can't do that, they would be trapped within Orochimaru's body with no way to escape. Maaaaybe he could genjutsu Orochimaru to make him do that, but that's a stretch because that would require Itachi to know that the people Orochimaru takes over still exist intact within his mind, which he should have no way of knowing. Even if he used his sharingan to see into Orochimaru's mind to find out, that would be complete, contrived luck that he just happened to decide to do that, which he would have no reason to do; he would just try to kill Orochimaru.
Although Sasuke would have a way more difficult fight, I think he still has a good chance of winning against Orochimaru. Hear me out. 1. Orochimaru manages to get Sasuke into the mindscape area and attempts to take his body. The mindscape battle shouldn’t be affected much by Orochimaru’s external sickness and lack of arms. So Sasuke should still be able to reverse the body swap on him. Maybe Sage Mode affects things but it’s not certain if it does. Sasuke seemed to take control of the mindscape with incredible ease originally so maybe now it’d turn into a real struggle or battle instead. 2. I know that Sasuke says that he would struggle against Orochimaru and only won because of the sickness, but that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Sasuke knows that Itachi beat Orochimaru. If Sasuke wants to kill Itachi, then he must know that he needs to beat Orochimaru as well in order to be comparable to Itachi’s level. So I genuinely think he’s downplaying himself when he says this. Sasuke’s always been shown to be a calculated fighter (when’s he’s not in rage mode like the Kage Summit). He might have just killed Oro because he had the chance and knew that he’d come for his body soon, but if he actually thought he was weaker, than why’d he decide to go fight Itachi now instead of spending a few more weeks or months training? 3. What’s Orochimaru going to do against Kirin? He might know that Sasuke has it since he interrupted him from using it against Team Kakashi, but considering that the sky wasn’t cloudy, he might have stopped a different jutsu entirely. Even if he does know about Kirin, the only option Oro has to avoid it is a reverse summon. But that might not work since Sasuke would have already placed Manda under his genjutsu before the fight even starts. I’m pretty sure he places Manda under his control before he leaves Oro, but someone can correct me if I’m wrong. 4. Fights don’t have to end with a straight kill. As Oro demonstrated against Itachi, you can always just run away from a disadvantageous fight. If Sasuke thinks that he’s losing, he could either use those CM wings to fly away, or reverse summon himself. Orochimaru might also be able to reverse summon himself if Sasuke doesn’t put his snakes under genjutsu. So the fight could end in a draw with no clear winner. That’s an option too. Edo Tensei is probably the biggest problem Sasuke would face so that is a valid concern, but that all depends on who Orochimaru brings back and how many he can summon and control at once. Really hard to determine how that affects the fight. I just think people lowball Hebi Sasuke a lot, especially in comparison to prime Orochimaru. The fight is way more unclear than I think people give it credit for, mostly because of that one statement. But statements can be inaccurate. Sage Naruto says that he would lose/tie against Blind Kage Summit Sasuke, but we all ping pong back and forth between who’s actually stronger anyway. So we could do the same thing regarding this fight between Sasuke and Orochimaru too.
DygoKnight, I've been silently watching your videos for a long time and think you're a damn good analyst & editor. However, I feel the need to point this out: the reincarnation vessel body wouldn't expire *if* you decide on a perfect vessel for you and never transfer again
Orochimaru would have access to bringer of darkness which was made specifically to counter sharingan abilities, not only will it make Genjutsu a none factor it would also counter amaterasu since it’s user needs to look at the target to cast it. Itachi could still pull a win but it’s way more difficult of a fight then people seem to realize
@@johnc3539itachi was almost blind against Sasuke still countered each and every shuriken perfectly. He isn't limited to eyes genjutsu he has other methods as well
@@A_GOOD_GOBLIN_IS_A_DEAD_GOBLIN I’m aware that’s why I mentioned he could still win but facing off against however many edos are summoned while battling Orochimaru would be tuff. Theoretically he could bring back and army of kage level ninja and since his body would be stronger he could bring them back a little stronger then before with out losing control. Itachi’s main Win con would have to be susanoo & the sword of Totsuka right off the bat but that will cause massive strain to the point Orochimaru just has to make it a battle of attrition into he goes blind, once he does there’s no way for Itachi to seal the remaining edos which numbers could be massive as seen in the war arc. He could win but it isn’t going to be a stomp anymore is all I’m saying it could go either way this time around.
Orochi maru has sage mode already, he just needed a perfect body(like mitsuki) to use it effectively. The curse mark canonically uses orochimarus nature energy, so he is a sage.
Love the theory! Plus he would still have Kabuto helping him as Kabuto would see no need to leave him, so even if kabutos feats during the war ark weren't already able to be explained by Orirchimaru figuring it out, then Kabuto would figure it out for Orochimaru when the time came. also, Orochimaru would likely unlock the mangeku by killing Jariya, or stealing itachis eyes.
that moment when you realize that during the sasuke retrieval arc two pieces of kaguya fought against each other her descendent (kimmimaro) and a piece of her chakra (gaara)
20:12 Bro image Orochimaru takes over Sasuke's body and instantly awakens the Mangekyo out of sheer ecstasy. Or maybe he just uses a toxin to mimic the effects necessary to awaken the Mangekyo.
I see Orochimaru's purpose not in destruction but in gathering power. He is like those munchkin players who refine their builds, to use most op weapons as early as possible and to have as much resources as possible just in case. So i see him not claiming a war against the world but wanting to get more and more powerfull amps for his new body. Maybe one day he would become so strong, he purposely would revive madara so madara could resurect to capture Madara himself
What if Orochimaru took Kakashi and later take over his body (which has already awakened the Kamui Mangekyou) when he was escaping, instead of passing him by due to Kakashi being a dollar store Uchiha lol -important to note: Orochimaru has already done experiments with Hashirama cells. And can graft H-cells to bodies. So Kakashi's body with Mangekyou, H-cell grafts to mitigate or negate the chakra cost and the eye going blind. Orochimaru in the driving seat of the body. Kakashis body with a limitless kamui (H-cells) plus all of Orochis abilities and intellect and pure black air forcec energy he was known for in Naruto first part. Imagine the absolute carnage and destruction he could cause in the Shinobi world. Hizuzen would get bodied on low diff when he decides to kill him, etc etc. He can even pretend to be Kakashi and go back to the village and capture and kill naruto and take the 9 tails for himself and fight the Akatsuki because theres only room for one sherriff in town or something OR because he learns about Obitos plans for the world and doesnt like that fact that itll take away his freedom to chose. I mean his desire for immortality is partly about absolute freedom right. OR pretend to be Kakashi and join the Akatsuki (which would be weird i know since Obito is the leader). Either way itll be glorious to see.
Well, he didn't know about the MS. Also Kakashis body wasn't that strong, prolonged use put him in bed for days like 2 months prior. So add the stress of the hashirama cells(danzo), the curse mark( might not survive) And the stress orochimarus soul puts on his vessels. I don't think Kakashi would be capable of that pre war. Sharingan without the body isn't worth much on his lv. It's easier to just steal the eye after killing him. Then resurrect Kakashi, now you have 2 Sharingan, and an infinite chakra copy ninja.
Orochimaru would actually take over the Shinobi world or get close to it if he did. Imagine his Hydra form with Kimimaro's bones or his Eight Headed Serpent jutsu mixed with the bones coming out of the ground. Add some Hashirama cells and Sage Mode, he's basically unstoppable until SOSP characters. Also can you please make a video on how strong Indra would be if he got half of Hagaromo's powers
The snake could still probably be sealed by itachi. I don't see how he survives Nagato without any prior exposure to his abilities. I don't see how he survives obito and kamui. I don't see how he handles KCM naruto, 8 gates Guy, I mean I could go on but even with those powers he wouldn't be the most powerful character.
Both Kimimaro and Sasuke were referred to as "ideal vessels" implying Orochimaru could've spent a lifetime in their bodies instead of 3 years. Well, now he has White Zetsu with Hashirama cells, which seems like another ideal vessel because he never changed since acquiring that body.
I can imagine a scenario where Orochimaru knows HOW to activate the Mangekyou, but can’t actually do it himself because of his lack of emotion. So he finds a way to operate on his brain to poke at the areas needed to activate those emotions, and thusly the Mangekyou. He’s a mad scientist. You KNOW he’s poked around in his fair share of brains before 😂
The moment Orochimaru shows himself with Sasuke's body Itachi is going to find and kill him. Kabuto was able to keep up with Kabuto who essentially has all of Orochimaru's abilities here, and he has a superior Sharingan. The Akatsuki might also provide back-up for Itachi so the Edo Tensei can be stalled before he seals them.
@@Arcadia_warlic That's not killing orochimaru he's still alive. And the only reason he managed to seal him it was because orochimaru couldn't move freely, same thing happened with nagato. Nagato was distracted
I wouldn't mind a Kimimaro alternate timeline where Orochi gets his body or a prequel that shows us all of the amazing feats he does plus more off panel/camera
Is it possible for Orochimaru to patch the 3 years drawback of the Living Corpse Reincarnation Jutsu (LCRJ) by: 1: Summoning an Edo Puppet and making it perform the Reaper Death Seal on the Target Living Body: 2: And sealing half (or whichever percentage necessary) of the Target Body's soul 2.1: He can calculate how much chakra the Target Body has and Summon an Edo Puppet with that much chakra, or supply the necessary amount to the Edo Puppet. 3: Then taking over the body with LCRJ. The hypothesis is since the body's soul is permanently and irreversibly weakened before the takeover. Wouldn't it be impossible for the Target Host's soul to fight off Orochimaru's parasitic soul after 3 years (or however long), making it possibly a permanent host.
By "Edo Puppet" do you mean puppet jutsu similar to what Sasori has but with Edo Tensei capabilities or a regular Edo Tensei body?, as for the last question i think it would depend on how strong the soul is to fight off The Orochimaru soul for three years and who the user body is and how strong their chakra is.
@@justinarzola4584 by edo puppent i mean a regular edo tensei. "as for the last question i think it would depend on how strong the soul is to fight off The Orochimaru soul for three years and who the user body is and how strong their chakra is" My hypothesis is exactly aimed at solving this problem. By weakening the target body's soul before takeover (Point 2) the possibility if the target body/soul to fight back against Orochimaru's takeover is reduced/nullified.
And we also had to take into consideration that he could probably use the flying Rajin since we know he likes to have knowledge of all things I’m pretty sure he would know how to do this and he would probably try it out assuming he has markers placed somewhere just in case that occasion ever would arise
It's been a good while since my last readthrough but isn't there some talk about Kimimaro being the "perfect" vessel? It went that his bodies degrade because of the lingering will of the original spirit but Kimimaro was indoctrinated enough to have a spirit willing to give himself over to Orochimaru. But I honestly don't remember if that was text or fanon.
I always felt like the original story got changed along the way of writing. I believe that the actual ending and the reason for kaguya's existance was because kimimaro was ment to be his vessel that eventually got dojutsu either from itachi's corpse and or neji's corpse and learning sage jutsu. Even the way kaguya's designed is just clearly kimimaro's hair colour + facial features above the eyes and the bone jutsu that kaguya had. Orochimaru's pale skin and long hair combined with the sage marks on the cloak.wich orochimaru always had as earings and the slippery behavior kaguya had with the dimension similar to orochimaru his slippery moves. And on top of that the clear goal of orochimaru to be immortal just like kaguya is and learning all jutsu. In other words if orochimaru achieved all he wanted he would have come out the way we saw what is kaguya...
Masashi Kishimoto has a habit for creating uber-powerful characters that need to be nerfed/killed by mystical ninja cancer (Kimimaro, and Itachi). Or dumb plot (Madara).
I don't know, man. Don't forget that, in this particular scenario, most of the Villages still have their Jinchuuriki. By the time Sasuke engage Orochimaru, Akatsuki had just got the four tails. Meaning, Han, Utakata and Fuu are still around, on top of Bee and Naruto. If the shinobi get in an alliance, i can even see a scenario where Bee is brought to train the remaining Jinchuuriki to master their Bijuu. Would an army of Edo Tensei be enough to stop five perfect Jinchuuriki? I don't know. Remember Naruto alone defeated a lot of them. It is pretty possible Orochimaru would be pressured into calling Madara or Hashirama. And in both cases it could backfire against him. Also, i don't discart the possibility of Edo Itachi trapping him in an Izanami.
16:27 I disagree with you If I remember correctly Ritual is adds to Victim power Full absorbing body and soul Next ritual all ability of the use + already gained ability Will be transplanted to new body ( Orochimaru base +Other victim Ability+ Access Kimimaro's kekkei genkai + sasuke Body and kekkei genkai )
Something just popped up in my mind: Chiyo used her lifeforce to bring Gaara back to life no? Is lifeforce synonymous with the soul it this case? Because if so, how didn't Gaara straight up die when Chiyo got Edo'd?
man would i love to see something like that. Imagine how much better of an "final" antagonist orochimaru would be instead of Kabuto. So much more world building around Orochimaru then Kabuto. (And yeah i know not really the final antagonist but one of the last just behind Madara)
The sharingan could copy any jutsu that is fully permformed like if the jutsu isnt mastered and has less hand seals it cant copy but if it has every hand seal it can so he would just go around fighting to copy every single jutsu and with hashirama cells he would find out that the mangekyou doesnt fade so unlimited amaterasu tsukiyomi susanoo and even more powerful eye genjutsu
3:44 i never understood why orochimaru didnt just plan to take sasuke eyes instead of getting his body...in a case like this where he gets kimi's body he would have a strong kekkei genkai body and if he took sasukes eyes he'd have a pair of sharingan to go with it
If Orochimaru gets Sasuke body after already having Kimmimaro’s does he merge the bones abilities/jutsus with Sasuke as well or he loses them to replace Sasuke abilities/jutsus?
Please add "What if Sakura got the Curse Mark?" next. It'll be great if she stopped Sasuke's fall to the dark side by taking the bite that was meant for him.
If you added Orochimarus modified snake senjutsu to Kimmimaros kekki genkai it would be disastrous. Imagine a snake that can be just chilling in a tree and lunge at you and turn into an extreme sharp bone spear or orochimaru able to turn multiple bones in his body into snakes or kusanagis
I'm surprised Kimimaro didn't participate in the Konoha Crush. Even though he was sick, he still almost beat Rock Lee and a more powerful Gaara. So even though he was sick Orochimaru still should have brought him imo
Orochimaru tried and failed to become a a perfect snake sage, Kabuto suceeded, although he was buffed but still. Orochimaru found Ryuchi cave when he was looking for the source of Jugo's transformation from constantly absorbing nature energy.
If you have a normal sharingan and you took somebodies eyes who had a mangekyou sharingan, would that unlock your mangekyou or would you have the other person eyes that never go blind??
I think that in this scenario, the Akatsuki would go after Orochimaru as their top priority. In the original series the Akatsuki were keeping an eye on him (with Sasori's help), if they were to find out that Orochimaru is becoming too strong, they'd totally try to eliminate him. Orochimaru could feasibly defeat all the Akatsuki one on one, but I doubt he could survive a fight against three or even two Akatsuki at the same time, I can totally see Itachi and Kisame together defeating sage mode Orochimaru, even Pain alone could potentially defeat that hypothetical Orochimaru. So, I don't think Orochimaru could have gotten away with becoming the most powerful ninja since the Akatsuki would quickly notice and stop him right there and then.
I’m surprised Orochimaru never used Hashirama cells on himself that we know of. He experimented with them on children and created Yamato and made an arm for Danzo. You’d think it’d help prolong his host body, but maybe Hashirama cells aren’t that OP if Orochimaru didn’t utilize it himself.
Hiruzen doesn't want to kill Orochimaru, thats why he rendered his hand useless, I can see why Jiraiya didn't think twice of trying to kill pain, maybe he doesn't want to make mistake his sensei made by sparing orochimaru's life
From what I understand you don't learn snake sage mode. You get it if you survive being bitten by the snake sage. Orochimaru would have to be careful about selecting a body that could survive. Also dragon sage is just some nonsense kabuto said because with Jugo's cells he didn't have to stay still to collect the chakra.
Wait, wasn’t the whole point that Kimmimaro was the perfect host body, not only because of his physical abilities but also because he was so devoted to Orochimaru that he wouldn’t subconsciously reject him.
Would orochimaru keep the kekkei genkai after replacing kimimaro’s body once he’s done with it? We saw with naruto that after the war and loosing the other tailed beasts, he still kept their special chakra releases like magnet and lava release. But bone release is more of a physical/biological thing than a special chakra release. Sasuke would be a different case though cause I’m assuming it would just be an eye transfer to his new vessel.
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Could this Orochimaru beat Itachi?
Nope.
Maybe
Yeah, maybe it would be a pretty close fight at least.
He would have beaten Obito for sure
Mister Dygo Sasuke was ALLOWED to break out of Tsukuyomi, I dont care wut data book said becuz its wrong 😑. Creator r known to forget stuffs. Once Tsukuyomi is cast its over, this go for Madara as well 😃.
Kimmimaro’s body wouldn’t need to be replaced because he was supposed to be a perfect vessel.
Yeah, they said its even more perfect than Sasuke's vessel
Imagine Orochimaru sage mode with Kimmimaro body
@@CeuAzulll I think that was the intent even in him transforming himself into that snake thing may have been to get closer to perfecting his Sage mode. I think that perfect vessel literally means able to use perfect snake Sage mode. You could even see the curse mark as something to prime the body towards Sage mode.
Come on its not possible thats why he learnt edo tensai
Who said that orochi woudnt need to switch bodies after having kimimaros body?
People misinterpret Orochimaru’s immortality/body transfer jutsu heavily. It’s stated he can only use it once every 3 years but that doesn’t mean every body he steals only lasts that long. I believe it’s implied if he transfers into a strong body like Kimimaro or Sasuke’s then it could last much longer potentially even an entire lifespan. If they all lasted three years by default there wouldn’t be a reason for him to select Genyumaru as the strongest available.
Not only that, but I bet that loss of arms may have something to do with it.
He says the bodies start to reject him at around 3 years...
@@lucario2able Only because they're too weak to contain his essence. It's strongly implied that a body that's strong enough would be able to be his host for its entire lifespan. This is partly the reason he branded his prospective vessels with cursed seals, which contained part of his consciousness and sage chakra. It was a test of whether their bodies could handle being his host.
90% of the times whenever a Mangaka wants to get rid of a character with strong potential they either give them a disease or have them die sacrificing themself
Those are 2 different scenarios so your adds automatically moves to 45% that either one will happen, plus im pretty sure it happen way less thn 90% for character to have a disease or unalive thm selfs probably less thn 50% for sure but lets say it happens 50% of the time at best... well its still 2 different scenarios so it will be 25% that they will have a disease or unalive thm self. I bet it's even less thn 25% its definitely no where near 90% lmao
@@Sharkroarsshut up bro. U knew wat he meant
@@zionjeffers7204 I aint your bro, little guy... if you agree with him thn you just as illogical.
@@Sharkroars Or you're just a virgin, lmao.
@@Sharkroars it's called hyperbole, 4th grade level stuff Mr. Smart guy
People forget that Orochimaru got scarily close to just winning everything multiple times.
Also, Orochimaru knew sage mode, his body was just too weak to handle it. Kimmimaro would solve that handily.
Kimimaro and Sasuke's body would've allowed Orochimaru to utilize Sage Mode. Especially considering the curse mark itself utilizes Sage chakra.
@@1DAR26the Curse mark isnt really using sage mode chakra its closer too Jugos clan ability to pull in nature chakra without trying too and also transforming from said absorption But without a doubt he would be able to use Sage Mode easily with either perfect Vessel
Sage Mode chakra is when you balance Nature chakra with your own chakra the curse mark doesnt allow you to control it because its Non stop absorption causing Mutations while going berserk
@@MysticKoJoyour wrong, Jogos ability is to draw in nature energy yes, but Orochimaru was able to still do sage mode himself.
@@BlaxkSun 😂😂you need to reRead i said without a doubt he would be able to go sage mode with either perfect vessel since we know the only issue is his Body isnt strong enough sorta how mitsuki body would deteriorate when he used it Pre 2BV
This is the plot/lore of the infinite tsukuyomi of Orochimaru
I like to think deep down in his heart he just wanted his parents to not die and live happily with them
Imagine if orochimaru became a 10 tails jinchuriki at the end instead of kaguya appearing lol
Lets not forget that Healthy Kimimaro, lowball, tiers above Taka. Kimimaro was able to suppress Jugo during his rampages, and though we don't see it (So much of his best feats are off screen) what we do see is a Kimimaro with his spine wrapped around Jugo. To me, the implications are that Kimimaro was able to handle Jugo without resorting to his own Curse Mark -- so he was a late Shippuden tier character.
Now, add to that all of Orochimaru's knowledge, experience, and Jutsu? Yeah, Kimichimaru would have been a War Arc tiered character, especially if Kimimaro was able to stalemate with KCM Naruto.
Kimimaro scales under hebi Sasuke I'll debate
@@Chillz.1379, he has to. Hebi Sasuke would've slaughtered pre-timeskip Naruto instantly.
@@MihawkTopOnekimimaro would scale to some one like base tsunade
@@Chillz.1379lol wtf know he wouldnt
Kimimaro suppressed a Juugo who was 2.5 to 3 years younger than he was when we seen him in Shippuden. He was weaker just by being younger in development years.
If Orochimaru was the main character
It would've been the most interesting (and aesthetically-pleasing) anime in history🐍
I dont think he should have been the main character, i do however think he should have been the main villian though. I would have much rather seen him get a sharingan or byakugan and became a demi-god level villian for Naruto to face. Orochimaru was hands down the coolest villian in the series. He had so much potential and it was all squandered.
I know it's a retconn but it's a nice bit of consistency that Orochimaru primarily wanted the body of a descendant of the Sage of Six Paths, presumably to achieve the Rinnegan and use it to master all jutsu.
I think the main reason was a strong enough vessel that wouldn't die from having orochimaru in it.
Remember orochimaru spent yrs developing this jutsu and had a few prior hosts.
The descendants of the sage all had uniquely powerful bodies.
I believe this is what the Naruto games lack. More "What if" characters. CC2 developed both Ultimate Ninja and Ultimate Ninja Storm series. While they get very creative with characters UJ, cinematic cut scenes, and quick time inputs, they kinda fell flat on providing characters from an alternate story. Connections tried with Hagoromo, but they didn't stick the landing. In UN2 on the PS2 they gave us Taiutsu Naruto and Byakugan Hinata, which are a Naruto that is training under the same methods as Gai and Lee and a Hinata that trains crazy like Neji. A "What if" Orochimaru took control over a healthy Kimimaro's body would be a great installment into the video game series and would definitely have fans of the series wanting to buy that game, play the character and see if there's any interesting lore behind it.
Them ultimate ninja games were special man, need to bring them back like they did with sparking zero
If Orochimaru obtained Kimimaro's healthy body before the invasion, then he would have absolutely crushed the third Hokage without loosing his arms, as Kabuto implied. Thus the Leaf Village would have either been completely wiped out or at least much more devastated.
If it happened after the invasion, then Kimimaro would have helped kill the third Hokage individually and then also have killed both Gaara and Lee during the Sasuke Rescue arc, which would be bad.
Kimimaro's body likely wouldnt have rejected Orochimaru's spirit as he was an ideal host like Sasuke, as it was implied that certain candidates that were either willing or steeped in dark thoughts could sustain Orochimaru's soul indefinitely. Otherwise even if Orochimaru did get Sasuke's body he also would have lost it in just 3 years.
From there the plot just snowballs and Orochimaru basically just wins harder, especially if you start giving him shit like perfect Sage Mode or an improved Edo Tensei.
Kimminaro isn't touching Lee or Gaara. Gaara didn't even go full 1 tails against Kimimaro. Lee got saved by Gaara. I don't see Kimimaro winning against full power Gaara. I also dont see Kimimaro winning against Sage mode Jiraiya who wouldve stopped full scale Konoha destruction.
@@enma8441 Lee also never used the higher gates against Kimmimaro
We don't know how, but there's no way Orochimaru would have put that much effort into getting Sasuke's body for 3 years. He had some way to keep a proper host indefinitely. Since it seems to have come from the body dying, it's likely that a durable enough body would be able to handle Orochimaru's soul without falling apart.
@enma8441 Gaara's full power is his base. The same Gaara we see fight Kimimaro in the story. Gaara can't control Shukaku's power as Shukaku doesn't want to help him. He'll rather have Gaara die before he lend him a hand. If Gaara were to control Shukaku or work together like Gyuki and Bee or Kurama and Naruto then Gaara would've beaten a healthy Kimimaro and Deidara years later.
@@quentinjones6877Lee was recovering from his surgery and left the village to go help. A fully recovered Lee using the 5th Gate would've caused some damage to a healthy Kimimaro, but again, a healthy Kimimaro would've been too overwhelming for them. Also, Lee opened a gate to perform the Primary Lotus but was stopped by Kimimaro.
As he is my favorite character I really appreciate the video. Orochimaru knew so much more than everybody else it kinda baffles me. He was studying the interaction between sharingan and mokuton decades before the 4th war. I personally believe he read the stone black Zetsu altered to fool Madara. His goal was the rinnegan all along. Obito knew that (he always was like "damn htf did oro know that?! Wtf"), that's why killing him was one of Akatsuki's priorities.
I've always wondered if Orochimaru can keep the abilities of the bodies he inhabits even after they've expired, otherwise it would be pretty useless for him to get Sasuke's body only for being able to use a sharingan for four years at best...
If i recall correctly, when the body is inheritly strong, then it's a perfect match or something along those lines. So the body would not expire.
His goal is to learn all the jutsus in the world, so 4 years with automatic copy of jutsus is pretty awesome. Also, he could try to sort out the secrets of sharingan too and also learn how to fight back vs a sharingan user. So no, it wouldn't be useless at all.
He would have a Sharengan even if that body died. What would stop him from taking the eyes out
@@stonalisa3729 well if the body decays I suppose the eyes do the same...
@@lorenzoantonelli6467 That’s not how eyeballs work in Naruto. The Sharengan can live on if it’s host died. That’s how Danzo gets his eyes. By killing Uchiha
8:14 Both Gengetsu and Mu will go after you for this, my guy
There were actually people with sealing jutsu present on the sidelines for the samurai and Mifune, we saw them immediately show up when Mifune beat Hanzo and then retreat again. So Kimimaro and Chiyo beating a KCM Naruto clone is pretty much a thing that did happen, becuz if either of them were hit by the Rasenshuriken they’d be knocked out for too long and they’d get sealed. It seems like…insanely impossible, but if you actually add up the list of people who can react to the Raikage (who is pretty even with KCM Naruto in speed) you’ve got people like Jugo and Suigetsu and we know that Kimimaro regularly overpowered Jugo
One thing that is never brought up when talking about Kimimaro is that his kenke genkay also gives him a insane regeneration.
After hearing discussions that Orochimaru was holding back while fighting the 3rd Hokage, it made sense to me Kimimaro being there was more than making the assassination go more smoothly. I think the whole "past vs. future self" Orochimaru wanted to see Kimimaro's full power at work before casting away any doubts about his next vessel....beautiful :)
It was probably too many choices. We don't know about the body he used to kill the kazekage and hokage with. Why not have bone soilder as long as possible?
He was stronger than sauske was before sauske absorbed orochimaru. That's basically an akaski lv slave.
Imagine bro used bone justu with stage art inorganic reanimation.
That would've been so broken
Too broken 😂
Also you can teleport and fuse with the bone environments.
@@Josephextremebro itachi is not beating this version of snake bro. Bro would just by pass the charka mech by spawning bones under it and then travel it or use inorganic reanimtion on it
@@twinbrosgamersja4919true. Also Orochimaru is a smarter technician than kabuto
Orichimaru would also be able to modify the Reanimation Jutsu, cause bro isn't just a collector, he is also an inventor.
He will easily notice the flaws in Tobirama's jutsu. Also, if Orichimaru is strengthened, he should have enough power to fully control Madara.
Yoooo new video from Dygoknight! It is going to be a good day.
This'll be a funny story when Sarada and Mitsuki learns what happened with their parents. 😂
Boruto: so MR. orochimaru what's you connection to master?
Orochimaru: well I tried to get inside his body once
SARADA and MITSUKI: pause?
Actually, with Orochimaru's passion for genetic engineering, I see him at some point getting Sasuke's body and then transplanting Kimimaro's kekkei genkai into it so he has both. As well as all the abilities of Sound 5 like Kabuto did. Maybe more. And he'd make it so you don't even have to sprout the people out and make them use the powers; he'd just have them natively. He may even just clone his body and possess the clone every time he needs to transfer so he wouldn't even bother having to find other people.
Don't see him unlocking mongekyo, although it's possible since it should be a thing people saw the Uchiha use.
The should be no way for Itachi to rescue Sasuke from Orochimaru. Orochimaru was only able to do that because of his control over his own biology. He could just sprout out of Sasuke and break off. Because the others can't do that, they would be trapped within Orochimaru's body with no way to escape. Maaaaybe he could genjutsu Orochimaru to make him do that, but that's a stretch because that would require Itachi to know that the people Orochimaru takes over still exist intact within his mind, which he should have no way of knowing. Even if he used his sharingan to see into Orochimaru's mind to find out, that would be complete, contrived luck that he just happened to decide to do that, which he would have no reason to do; he would just try to kill Orochimaru.
Although Sasuke would have a way more difficult fight, I think he still has a good chance of winning against Orochimaru. Hear me out.
1. Orochimaru manages to get Sasuke into the mindscape area and attempts to take his body. The mindscape battle shouldn’t be affected much by Orochimaru’s external sickness and lack of arms. So Sasuke should still be able to reverse the body swap on him. Maybe Sage Mode affects things but it’s not certain if it does. Sasuke seemed to take control of the mindscape with incredible ease originally so maybe now it’d turn into a real struggle or battle instead.
2. I know that Sasuke says that he would struggle against Orochimaru and only won because of the sickness, but that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Sasuke knows that Itachi beat Orochimaru. If Sasuke wants to kill Itachi, then he must know that he needs to beat Orochimaru as well in order to be comparable to Itachi’s level. So I genuinely think he’s downplaying himself when he says this. Sasuke’s always been shown to be a calculated fighter (when’s he’s not in rage mode like the Kage Summit). He might have just killed Oro because he had the chance and knew that he’d come for his body soon, but if he actually thought he was weaker, than why’d he decide to go fight Itachi now instead of spending a few more weeks or months training?
3. What’s Orochimaru going to do against Kirin? He might know that Sasuke has it since he interrupted him from using it against Team Kakashi, but considering that the sky wasn’t cloudy, he might have stopped a different jutsu entirely. Even if he does know about Kirin, the only option Oro has to avoid it is a reverse summon. But that might not work since Sasuke would have already placed Manda under his genjutsu before the fight even starts. I’m pretty sure he places Manda under his control before he leaves Oro, but someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
4. Fights don’t have to end with a straight kill. As Oro demonstrated against Itachi, you can always just run away from a disadvantageous fight. If Sasuke thinks that he’s losing, he could either use those CM wings to fly away, or reverse summon himself. Orochimaru might also be able to reverse summon himself if Sasuke doesn’t put his snakes under genjutsu. So the fight could end in a draw with no clear winner. That’s an option too.
Edo Tensei is probably the biggest problem Sasuke would face so that is a valid concern, but that all depends on who Orochimaru brings back and how many he can summon and control at once. Really hard to determine how that affects the fight.
I just think people lowball Hebi Sasuke a lot, especially in comparison to prime Orochimaru. The fight is way more unclear than I think people give it credit for, mostly because of that one statement. But statements can be inaccurate. Sage Naruto says that he would lose/tie against Blind Kage Summit Sasuke, but we all ping pong back and forth between who’s actually stronger anyway. So we could do the same thing regarding this fight between Sasuke and Orochimaru too.
DygoKnight, I've been silently watching your videos for a long time and think you're a damn good analyst & editor. However, I feel the need to point this out: the reincarnation vessel body wouldn't expire *if* you decide on a perfect vessel for you and never transfer again
There is nothing in canon saying this.
@@SuperPianogirl123 It would help explain why Orochimaru supposedly hasn't transferred since taking over a White Zetsu clone.
Orochimaru would have to resist Sharingan Genjutsu, first.
Orochimaru would have access to bringer of darkness which was made specifically to counter sharingan abilities, not only will it make Genjutsu a none factor it would also counter amaterasu since it’s user needs to look at the target to cast it. Itachi could still pull a win but it’s way more difficult of a fight then people seem to realize
@@johnc3539itachi was almost blind against Sasuke still countered each and every shuriken perfectly.
He isn't limited to eyes genjutsu he has other methods as well
@@A_GOOD_GOBLIN_IS_A_DEAD_GOBLIN I’m aware that’s why I mentioned he could still win but facing off against however many edos are summoned while battling Orochimaru would be tuff.
Theoretically he could bring back and army of kage level ninja and since his body would be stronger he could bring them back a little stronger then before with out losing control.
Itachi’s main Win con would have to be susanoo & the sword of Totsuka right off the bat but that will cause massive strain to the point Orochimaru just has to make it a battle of attrition into he goes blind,
once he does there’s no way for Itachi to seal the remaining edos which numbers could be massive as seen in the war arc. He could win but it isn’t going to be a stomp anymore is all I’m saying it could go either way this time around.
He could always do what Deidara did on a much higher level.
Orochi maru has sage mode already, he just needed a perfect body(like mitsuki) to use it effectively. The curse mark canonically uses orochimarus nature energy, so he is a sage.
Love the theory! Plus he would still have Kabuto helping him as Kabuto would see no need to leave him, so even if kabutos feats during the war ark weren't already able to be explained by Orirchimaru figuring it out, then Kabuto would figure it out for Orochimaru when the time came. also, Orochimaru would likely unlock the mangeku by killing Jariya, or stealing itachis eyes.
that moment when you realize that during the sasuke retrieval arc two pieces of kaguya fought against each other her descendent (kimmimaro) and a piece of her chakra (gaara)
20:12 Bro image Orochimaru takes over Sasuke's body and instantly awakens the Mangekyo out of sheer ecstasy.
Or maybe he just uses a toxin to mimic the effects necessary to awaken the Mangekyo.
Lol it would be so typical of orochimaru to use some kind of drugs to let him experience the emotions of a traumatic experience to awaken the mangyeko
I see Orochimaru's purpose not in destruction but in gathering power. He is like those munchkin players who refine their builds, to use most op weapons as early as possible and to have as much resources as possible just in case. So i see him not claiming a war against the world but wanting to get more and more powerfull amps for his new body. Maybe one day he would become so strong, he purposely would revive madara so madara could resurect to capture Madara himself
This version of Orochimaru would have been much more interesting than Kabuto during the war.
Love these! Keep up the good work 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
dawg the video is 24 minutes long you didnt even watch it yet 😭
Does Orochimaru keep the abilities of the previous bodies he has taken when he changes bodies?
Yeah I believe so. He can’t really unlearn anything he learned in the body
Yes.
Yes.
Yes as they are stored in that dimension or world or something lol.
And also bodies like kimmimaru and Sasuke won’t expire
It's not about unlearning. I'm not sure his body would keep the Kekkei Genkai
What if Orochimaru took Kakashi and later take over his body (which has already awakened the Kamui Mangekyou) when he was escaping, instead of passing him by due to Kakashi being a dollar store Uchiha lol
-important to note: Orochimaru has already done experiments with Hashirama cells. And can graft H-cells to bodies. So Kakashi's body with Mangekyou, H-cell grafts to mitigate or negate the chakra cost and the eye going blind. Orochimaru in the driving seat of the body.
Kakashis body with a limitless kamui (H-cells) plus all of Orochis abilities and intellect and pure black air forcec energy he was known for in Naruto first part. Imagine the absolute carnage and destruction he could cause in the Shinobi world. Hizuzen would get bodied on low diff when he decides to kill him, etc etc. He can even pretend to be Kakashi and go back to the village and capture and kill naruto and take the 9 tails for himself and fight the Akatsuki because theres only room for one sherriff in town or something OR because he learns about Obitos plans for the world and doesnt like that fact that itll take away his freedom to chose. I mean his desire for immortality is partly about absolute freedom right. OR pretend to be Kakashi and join the Akatsuki (which would be weird i know since Obito is the leader). Either way itll be glorious to see.
Well, he didn't know about the MS.
Also Kakashis body wasn't that strong, prolonged use put him in bed for days like 2 months prior.
So add the stress of the hashirama cells(danzo), the curse mark( might not survive)
And the stress orochimarus soul puts on his vessels.
I don't think Kakashi would be capable of that pre war.
Sharingan without the body isn't worth much on his lv.
It's easier to just steal the eye after killing him. Then resurrect Kakashi, now you have 2 Sharingan, and an infinite chakra copy ninja.
Orochimaru would actually take over the Shinobi world or get close to it if he did. Imagine his Hydra form with Kimimaro's bones or his Eight Headed Serpent jutsu mixed with the bones coming out of the ground. Add some Hashirama cells and Sage Mode, he's basically unstoppable until SOSP characters. Also can you please make a video on how strong Indra would be if he got half of Hagaromo's powers
The snake could still probably be sealed by itachi. I don't see how he survives Nagato without any prior exposure to his abilities. I don't see how he survives obito and kamui. I don't see how he handles KCM naruto, 8 gates Guy, I mean I could go on but even with those powers he wouldn't be the most powerful character.
@@vuyilemdladla4576 I think He could beat Obito without Kamui but Juubito would annihilate him.
Orochimaru survived everything so far, so …
Nah nagato obito and killer bee would have still beaten him if by luck Naruto get kcm 1 he will destroy him
Great video. You might want to reconsider those wooshing sounds though. Once you hear them, you can't stop noticing them.
My man finally answering my comment from long ago 🥳
Honestly he might become my favorite character
Both Kimimaro and Sasuke were referred to as "ideal vessels" implying Orochimaru could've spent a lifetime in their bodies instead of 3 years.
Well, now he has White Zetsu with Hashirama cells, which seems like another ideal vessel because he never changed since acquiring that body.
In Naruto gaiden, Orochimaru implies that he changed bodies again when Naruto says that he looks the same.
I can imagine a scenario where Orochimaru knows HOW to activate the Mangekyou, but can’t actually do it himself because of his lack of emotion.
So he finds a way to operate on his brain to poke at the areas needed to activate those emotions, and thusly the Mangekyou.
He’s a mad scientist. You KNOW he’s poked around in his fair share of brains before 😂
Thumbnail looks sick.
The moment Orochimaru shows himself with Sasuke's body Itachi is going to find and kill him. Kabuto was able to keep up with Kabuto who essentially has all of Orochimaru's abilities here, and he has a superior Sharingan. The Akatsuki might also provide back-up for Itachi so the Edo Tensei can be stalled before he seals them.
War arc slaps kabuto and smokes itachi
Itachi had to hold back not to kill him and then placed him under Izanami.
@@Arcadia_warlic He couldn't kill kabuto even if he tried, same reason he cant kill orochimaru
He did kill Orochimaru, by sealing him. He could do the same to Kabuto.
@@Arcadia_warlic That's not killing orochimaru he's still alive. And the only reason he managed to seal him it was because orochimaru couldn't move freely, same thing happened with nagato. Nagato was distracted
He'd basically be sage mode kabuto with kimimaros body.
That background music my boii. 🗣️ top tier
Nice vid
If Kimimaru was healthy during the Sasuke retrieval arc, Orochimaru would have just used him as a vessel.
The good thing about this orochimaru is that kaguya wouldn’t return and we wouldn’t get boruto
I wouldn't mind a Kimimaro alternate timeline where Orochi gets his body or a prequel that shows us all of the amazing feats he does plus more off panel/camera
Orochimaru didnt want Sasuke's body, he wanted the Sharingan. He couldnt get it from Itachi so he chose an "easier" target.
Really love Orochimaru one of the reasons I stay watching even with all those damn fillers…
Orochimaru stated himself that no matter how powerful he was... he couldn't close to an Uchiha in power. Unless he takes an Uchiha's body.
What if he took an otsutsuki’s body hmm?
@@NiSoFlyYT Wait, that would be insane fr
And then he took white zetsus body and became leagues above Itachi :D
Imagine if he took a senju's body, particularly Hashirama.
Now this is a very very interesting topic
Is it possible for Orochimaru to patch the 3 years drawback of the Living Corpse Reincarnation Jutsu (LCRJ) by:
1: Summoning an Edo Puppet and making it perform the Reaper Death Seal on the Target Living Body:
2: And sealing half (or whichever percentage necessary) of the Target Body's soul
2.1: He can calculate how much chakra the Target Body has and Summon an Edo Puppet with that much chakra, or supply the necessary amount to the Edo Puppet.
3: Then taking over the body with LCRJ.
The hypothesis is since the body's soul is permanently and irreversibly weakened before the takeover. Wouldn't it be impossible for the Target Host's soul to fight off Orochimaru's parasitic soul after 3 years (or however long), making it possibly a permanent host.
By "Edo Puppet" do you mean puppet jutsu similar to what Sasori has but with Edo Tensei capabilities or a regular Edo Tensei body?, as for the last question i think it would depend on how strong the soul is to fight off The Orochimaru soul for three years and who the user body is and how strong their chakra is.
@@justinarzola4584 by edo puppent i mean a regular edo tensei.
"as for the last question i think it would depend on how strong the soul is to fight off The Orochimaru soul for three years and who the user body is and how strong their chakra is"
My hypothesis is exactly aimed at solving this problem. By weakening the target body's soul before takeover (Point 2) the possibility if the target body/soul to fight back against Orochimaru's takeover is reduced/nullified.
Are you gonna do more What if contact ?
I've done several what if videos check the playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLmn8BfToG3LOYFXvFWNvWQSzLMAtwiPSx.html
Damn, orochimaru was basically trying to be the next kaguya lol
And we also had to take into consideration that he could probably use the flying Rajin since we know he likes to have knowledge of all things I’m pretty sure he would know how to do this and he would probably try it out assuming he has markers placed somewhere just in case that occasion ever would arise
Amazing idea
Hey my friend my bro, why don’t you make what if kakashi was a hyuga or what if Naruto was a full uzumaki
It's been a good while since my last readthrough but isn't there some talk about Kimimaro being the "perfect" vessel? It went that his bodies degrade because of the lingering will of the original spirit but Kimimaro was indoctrinated enough to have a spirit willing to give himself over to Orochimaru. But I honestly don't remember if that was text or fanon.
Orochimaru already has the perfect body, all those abilities and is leagues above 80% of shippuden
Oh... Now thats a good "what if?"
I always felt like the original story got changed along the way of writing.
I believe that the actual ending and the reason for kaguya's existance was because kimimaro was ment to be his vessel that eventually got dojutsu either from itachi's corpse and or neji's corpse and learning sage jutsu.
Even the way kaguya's designed is just clearly kimimaro's hair colour + facial features above the eyes and the bone jutsu that kaguya had. Orochimaru's pale skin and long hair combined with the sage marks on the cloak.wich orochimaru always had as earings and the slippery behavior kaguya had with the dimension similar to orochimaru his slippery moves.
And on top of that the clear goal of orochimaru to be immortal just like kaguya is and learning all jutsu. In other words if orochimaru achieved all he wanted he would have come out the way we saw what is kaguya...
it's like flesh and bones to becoming the most broken character.
imagine if orochimaru get ikkaku's body, he would've been unstoppable
Masashi Kishimoto has a habit for creating uber-powerful characters that need to be nerfed/killed by mystical ninja cancer (Kimimaro, and Itachi). Or dumb plot (Madara).
I wanted this to happen in the story so badly
I don't know, man.
Don't forget that, in this particular scenario, most of the Villages still have their Jinchuuriki.
By the time Sasuke engage Orochimaru, Akatsuki had just got the four tails. Meaning, Han, Utakata and Fuu are still around, on top of Bee and Naruto.
If the shinobi get in an alliance, i can even see a scenario where Bee is brought to train the remaining Jinchuuriki to master their Bijuu.
Would an army of Edo Tensei be enough to stop five perfect Jinchuuriki? I don't know.
Remember Naruto alone defeated a lot of them.
It is pretty possible Orochimaru would be pressured into calling Madara or Hashirama. And in both cases it could backfire against him.
Also, i don't discart the possibility of Edo Itachi trapping him in an Izanami.
He would be so functionally immortal it’s not even funny. He’d be able to manipulate his bone structure that is scary
if itachi uses the shisui ability on orochimaru, he could force him to release sasuke
16:27 I disagree with you If I remember correctly Ritual is
adds to Victim power Full absorbing body and soul Next ritual all ability of the use + already gained ability Will be transplanted to new body
( Orochimaru base +Other victim Ability+ Access Kimimaro's kekkei genkai + sasuke Body and kekkei genkai )
Alternate title : Making Orochimaru into God
Something just popped up in my mind: Chiyo used her lifeforce to bring Gaara back to life no? Is lifeforce synonymous with the soul it this case? Because if so, how didn't Gaara straight up die when Chiyo got Edo'd?
Make similar vedio on itachi what if itachi cure his disease and get saskue's ms.
man would i love to see something like that. Imagine how much better of an "final" antagonist orochimaru would be instead of Kabuto. So much more world building around Orochimaru then Kabuto. (And yeah i know not really the final antagonist but one of the last just behind Madara)
When orochimaru takes over a body then changesto another body, does he take the powers of the previous body to the new body also???
The sharingan could copy any jutsu that is fully permformed like if the jutsu isnt mastered and has less hand seals it cant copy but if it has every hand seal it can so he would just go around fighting to copy every single jutsu and with hashirama cells he would find out that the mangekyou doesnt fade so unlimited amaterasu tsukiyomi susanoo and even more powerful eye genjutsu
3:44 i never understood why orochimaru didnt just plan to take sasuke eyes instead of getting his body...in a case like this where he gets kimi's body he would have a strong kekkei genkai body and if he took sasukes eyes he'd have a pair of sharingan to go with it
I could see Orochimaru experimenting and discovering a artificial way to awaken the mangekyou sharingan
When does it say that erasing an edo tensei's personality nerfs it? I don't remember that.
If Orochimaru gets Sasuke body after already having Kimmimaro’s does he merge the bones abilities/jutsus with Sasuke as well or he loses them to replace Sasuke abilities/jutsus?
Please add "What if Sakura got the Curse Mark?" next.
It'll be great if she stopped Sasuke's fall to the dark side by taking the bite that was meant for him.
"We all know Orochimaru wanted his body"💀💀🚩🚩
the main goal of Orochimaru was to master the all jutsus that ever existed.
So he still would've ditched Kimimaro's body for the one with sharingan
If you added Orochimarus modified snake senjutsu to Kimmimaros kekki genkai it would be disastrous.
Imagine a snake that can be just chilling in a tree and lunge at you and turn into an extreme sharp bone spear or orochimaru able to turn multiple bones in his body into snakes or kusanagis
I'm surprised Kimimaro didn't participate in the Konoha Crush. Even though he was sick, he still almost beat Rock Lee and a more powerful Gaara. So even though he was sick Orochimaru still should have brought him imo
So basically Kimimaros cancer saved Naruto universe
Orochimaru tried and failed to become a a perfect snake sage, Kabuto suceeded, although he was buffed but still. Orochimaru found Ryuchi cave when he was looking for the source of Jugo's transformation from constantly absorbing nature energy.
If you have a normal sharingan and you took somebodies eyes who had a mangekyou sharingan, would that unlock your mangekyou or would you have the other person eyes that never go blind??
I think that in this scenario, the Akatsuki would go after Orochimaru as their top priority. In the original series the Akatsuki were keeping an eye on him (with Sasori's help), if they were to find out that Orochimaru is becoming too strong, they'd totally try to eliminate him. Orochimaru could feasibly defeat all the Akatsuki one on one, but I doubt he could survive a fight against three or even two Akatsuki at the same time, I can totally see Itachi and Kisame together defeating sage mode Orochimaru, even Pain alone could potentially defeat that hypothetical Orochimaru. So, I don't think Orochimaru could have gotten away with becoming the most powerful ninja since the Akatsuki would quickly notice and stop him right there and then.
The coolest Naruto characters (Itachi, Kimmimaru, Pain, Hashirama and Minato) are always either dead or sick(literally)
Orochimaru: my only regret is that I have boneitis!
But would it be stronger than the Indada reincarnation amp from sasukes body????
I’m surprised Orochimaru never used Hashirama cells on himself that we know of. He experimented with them on children and created Yamato and made an arm for Danzo. You’d think it’d help prolong his host body, but maybe Hashirama cells aren’t that OP if Orochimaru didn’t utilize it himself.
Hiruzen doesn't want to kill Orochimaru, thats why he rendered his hand useless, I can see why Jiraiya didn't think twice of trying to kill pain, maybe he doesn't want to make mistake his sensei made by sparing orochimaru's life
Kimimaru had an unspecified disease of unknown origin!
From what I understand you don't learn snake sage mode. You get it if you survive being bitten by the snake sage. Orochimaru would have to be careful about selecting a body that could survive.
Also dragon sage is just some nonsense kabuto said because with Jugo's cells he didn't have to stay still to collect the chakra.
Wait, wasn’t the whole point that Kimmimaro was the perfect host body, not only because of his physical abilities but also because he was so devoted to Orochimaru that he wouldn’t subconsciously reject him.
How long did he have the illness, because, I feel like Orochimaru would have taken his body around the time he stole the ladies body.
Orochimaru absorbing Madaras Body being the final Enemy wuld have been so much better than Kaguya. That would have been the perfet ending.
Would orochimaru keep the kekkei genkai after replacing kimimaro’s body once he’s done with it? We saw with naruto that after the war and loosing the other tailed beasts, he still kept their special chakra releases like magnet and lava release. But bone release is more of a physical/biological thing than a special chakra release. Sasuke would be a different case though cause I’m assuming it would just be an eye transfer to his new vessel.