What If Kakashi Trained Sasuke In The Timeskip
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ม.ค. 2025
- Sasuke left the Leaf Village before the timeskip to train under Orochimaru so that he could achieve his revenge against Itachi. However, things could have been different. What if Kakashi trained Sasuke in the timeskip instead? We can assume that the Naruto vs Sasuke fight ended differently. Naruto wins and brings Sasuke back to the village.
How powerful would Sasuke be if trained with Kakashi? Would he learn the same jutsus such as Kirin? Kakashi taught Sasuke the Chidori afterall. Let's analyze this scenario in this video.
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Could Hebi Sasuke beat Jiraiya?
nah jiraiya the goat
He can't he doesn't have a mangekyo
Probably not but taka sasuke i can imagine…
No
He might get one shotted with genjutsu
I feel like Orochimaru restrained his training to be sure that he doesn't become stronger than him.
But Sasuke became stronger than Orochimaru?
@@axel8912No he became stronger than a dreadfully diseased Orochimaru. Sasuke would have been overwhelmed by the Eight Branches.
Orochimaru didn't account for writing. :D He needed just find another body to wait till Sasuke killed Itachi, but due to stupid hoacrux plothole of cursed marks Orochimaru could do it any time if Itachi didn't exorcise him from Sasuke. In Boruto Orochimarus sins and requirement to change bodies was successfully forgotten.
@@HellGod67It wasn't forgotten, he is a literal prisoner in his home and the reason he does not need another body is that he can always modify his current Zetsu body and pump it full of Hashirama cells. He found his perfect body.
@@HellGod67 Boruto is fucking trash
Sasuke literally went from being no diffed by Lee (who trained for his speed for years) to surpassing Lee and wrecking non-jinchuuriki mode Gaara in less than a month with Kakashi’s training in the chuunin exams.
I always wondered how much more he could progress with Kakashi but now that you mention it, he didn’t progress that much just because of Kakashi, he progressed because he is a genius, so going to Orochimaru for the most power gain makes sense.
There’s just something very interesting about pre-war arc level shippuuden regarding training, skill and fights.
So, you're doing what ifs right now? That's great.
If Sasuke hadn't left, then Sakura would've stayed weak and most likely die against Sasori.
Sasuke saving her indirectly... 💀
great point but maybe that would have involved sasuke
Or she would become a decent genjutsu user. Tbh sasori would still kill her.
Meaning that Gaara dies, because Sakura inspired Chiyo to trust the next generation and bring Gaara back to life. Thats actually a pretty big butterfly effect.
Or maybe the entirety of team 7 gets sent to save Gaara and nothing goes wrong
So I think even if Sasuke stayed in the leaf he would still eventually kill Itachi (just as part of the Leaf’s efforts to eliminate the Akatsuki threat), and the fight would go the same just without the orochimaru stuff. So he would definitely still get the MS/EMS.
Best teachers for Sasuke to train if he stayed in the village: Kakashi (Sharingan and lightning jutsus), Guy (advanced taijutsu and opening 2 or 3 gates), Tsunade (increasing strength), Jiraiya (ninjutsu fire-style jutsus), Kurenai (genjutsu).
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Truth is, Sasuke wouldn’t just learn Sharingan and Lightning jutsu’s from Kakashi if he stayed in the village.
He would have learnt & copied hundreds of jutsu. Sasuke’s problem lied in the fact that he was impatient for power. He mastered Chidori, used it against Itachi while blinded by the height of his rage, failed & gave up on Kakashi altogether. Not giving Kakashi the time to ease in & teach him a wealth of new powerful jutsu.
He then sought out Orochimaru to perfect Curse marks level 1 & 2, master shape manipulation to l supplement the potency of his nature affinities and master Kenjutsu/Taijustu. But tell me, where did that get him when Itachi robbed him of the Curse mark?
That’s right, he was reduced to Fire, Lightning and luckily a new Mangekyo. Completely devaluing the intent behind his time-skip training with Orochimaru. However, if he stayed in the village with Kakashi, he would have remained powerful & calculated throughout, in addition to mastering everything he did in the time-skip (minus the Curse mark which would have been compensated by plenty of powerful techniques & jutsu)
Honestly I'd just like to see someone who can use the gates ( at least 4-7 gates) AND have jutsus/chakra.
NGL seeing Sasuke use 3-5 gates on top of chidori and some fat fireballs ( like Madara majestic flame destroyer sized) would be sick.
Then again other characters with the gates would be dope too.
Choji in his butterfly mode (2-3 gates max)
Ig Sakura/Tsunade with her 100 healings plus she's already strong (5-8 gates max 7 assuming 100 healings won't save her)
Hinata ( 1-3 gates max mostly cause it'd be cool seeing the gentle fist combined)
Naruto in boruto vortex (all 8 gates, NGL seeing an 8th gates sage mode rasen shuriken would probably go crazy sad but epic)
Mitsuski, sry if spelled wrong( 2-5 gates just cause I'd like to see him stack snake sage with it lol)
War Ark Kabuto ( 5 gates lol just like mitsuski cause seeing dragon sage with gates would be epic)
HiDan (8 gates assuming he won't die but 7 max if he does)
Kisame ( 7 gates max just to make him more broken for no reason plus imagine if he uses it in his shark transformation)
4th and 3rd raikage ( 8 gates, seeing their chakra plus the lightning armor would be cool plus the speed amp would be crazy especially for the 4th)
@@blackogjesus if anything, more than Baryon, Naruto using 8th Gate added with his decoys would be better and have bigger impact in Boruto.
💀💀orochimaru training in the best for him stop the cap
@DygoKnight some clarification regarding Naruto leaving the village to train with Jiraiya, the main reason is the Akatsuki.
Kakashi being a teacher? Impossible
This. Kakashi only had interests in training Sasuke properly, but still couldn't instill a positive mindset into Sasuke because of his detached demeanor. Anyone with a conscience would've kept close surveillance on Sasuke after how badly his mental health declined after his fight against Itachi, teacher or not. AND Sasuke had a Curse Mark, which already puts Orochimaru within reach of Sasuke.
With how everything went down, it's weird how they let Sasuke end up the way he did. Though seeing how Naruto was treated, it's not that surprising.
@@inplane9970
Lying? He did instill a positive mindset in Sasuke. Before Sasuke met Kakashi, he was a lone wolf who had a tendency to handle obstacles alone. That changed after some time, to a point where even after Sasuke defected Konoha, he made sure to put Kakashi’s teachings of teamwork into practice to realize his goals, hence the formation of Hebi, then Taka.
Kakashi couldn’t keep a proper eye on Sasuke after his encounter with Itachi in part 1, because Tsunade immediately assigned him on missions after he awoke from Tsukuyomi coma. But before attending said mission, he prioritized Sasuke’s mental welfare above it. Making sure to positively lecture Sasuke in the forest, which resulted in Sasuk being torn between staying in Konoha or defecting it from night till day.
The sound four captailized on Kakashi’s absence and launched their attack on Sasuke, but that wasn’t a result of Kakashi being negligent, it was a result of him tending to his duties as a ninja.
@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle
I forgot to mention how weird your comment is considering the fact that he’s acted as a teacher multiple times.
During the bell test.
During the tree climbing exercise.
During Sasuke’s Chidori training, where he also had him master Lee’s high-speed Taijutsu in just two weeks.
And During Naruto’s Rasenshuriken training, where Kakashi taught him way more than Jiraiya did in 3 years in under a month.
@@EternalBrightness3 Ngl, in a world like Naruto only being a teacher once in a while is really not good 💀
Especially since your teachings are what can save your students from life and death situations
@@EternalBrightness3 Working as a team is less on Kakashi and more on Sasuke's instincts on using people to his advantage. He used Orochimaru as a power up, then killed him. He used Karin as a diversion, and then didn't hesitate to kill her. He even abandoned Jugo and Suigetsu up until the Hokage Revival arc because they were the closest connections to Orochimaru.
Heck, his motive to work with Naruto and Sakura during the final arc is to get rid of all obstacles so he can kill Naruto. If that's Kakashi's teachings, then he did an awful job.
And it's not like Kakashi is some random guy seeking help. He has connections to the entirety of ANBU and is trusted amongst the Jonin. He can easily set up multiple squads to keep eyes over Sasuke. Not expecting Orochimaru to make a move on Sasuke after he explicitly stated he wanted Sasuke's body is just odd.
I always envisioned a Konoha Sasuke really honing in on being a well-rounded ninja like Kakashi, excelling in the basic jutsu (Nin, Tai, Gen). I see him developing a secondary rivalry and respect for Rock Lee (mirroring Gai and Kakashi). No weapons, just hands. Also I figure he would be one of the few of the Konoha 12 to be a jonin. Even a jonin sensei (if I'm being fanfic-y). Essentially just a Sasuke who mirrored his path during the Chunin Exam era. Heavy taijutsu user, vast/varied ninjutsu, solid genjutsu.
My question is how strong both Naruto and Sasuke would be if they trained with each other throughout the time skip like goku and vegeta does.
Weaker? Naruto trained with Jiraya and was still very weak after the time skip. He lucky he had kurama to save him
They definitely would of been weaker no doubt, Sasuke benefited greatly from Orochimaru and Naruto barely progressed by Jiraiya 's training.
@@newlife6265 honestly I feel like the time skip was more for Sakura than Sasuke and Naruto
@@MrCadeRay😶
@@newlife6265 Naruto was weak becoz their entire training trip was focused on mastering kuramas chakra which was failed royally and only led to Naruto being even more of a liability than before (Tsunade deployed yamato becoz Naruto was losing control everytime he was in battle).
Obviously him training with sasuke would be his training on becoming stronger with his own strength than relying on nine tails which Naruto won't even master until war arc.
Sasuke tho would definitely be bit weaker than cannon since he won't master his curse mark and won't get snake summoning (may get toads instead). He would still likely create Kirin tho. Hell Sasuke might just put kurama into genjutsu everytime they needed Naruto to use kuramas chakra.
I think he would’ve improved about the same regardless. It would’ve probably helped Kakashi as well. The main things Sasuke got from orochimaru was summonings and the curse mark(which he already had prior to leaving konoha) other than that it’s not really clear what he learned specifically from Orochimaru. The summonings and absorbing Orochimaru is a big deal tho. I think he would’ve gotten to the level he was prior to absorbing Orochimaru under kakashi but the boost he got from absorbing Orochimaru is 100% necessary
Kakashi stylistically makes more sense for Sasuke to train under and would’ve made him more versatile if he wanted to be but more than likely Kakashi would’ve trained him to be even better what he’s naturally good with and that’s fire and lightning. Training with Kakashi could’ve made Sasuke sharingan even sharper(help kakashi as well and bounce Chidori ideas off of each as we see both of them developed a lot Chidori varients.
Kakashi had the beast, the lightning cable, used it to neutralize other lightning attacks against him. Idk if Kakashi would waste time teaching him other elements because that’s not his style. He more so focuses on strengths and makes them stronger.
Remember, the entire reason that encounter with Itachi happened was because a random Jonin walked in at the wrong time to dump a bunch of exposition in front of Sasuke while visiting Kakashi. So basically, the plot of Shippuden was the result of one gigantic “oops”.
Before dying in his conversation with kabuto, orochimaru said it himself "there is no one in this world who can train him as well as in do" so orochimaru knew what power sasuke gained on his side ( kage level)
This is the sort of dynamic I was missing which would have made Sasuke vs Kakashi a brilliant fight.
There are a lot of sensei vs students fights.
Glad this didn’t happen…too much of the same character fighting each other.
@@jimynutron87 why? I mean weren't
Orochimaru vs Sarutobi
Obito vs Minato
Hashirama and Tobirama vs Hiruzen
great fights?
@@Atticus-Catnipp ahhh some were better than others. 🥴 In each of the Sensei vs students fights, someone either died or extremely injured. I would rather not see kakashi put Sasuke on his azz or see Sasuke kill Kakashi…
@@Atticus-Catnippbud you somehow forgot jiraiya vs pain
@@jimynutron87my biggest problem with shipudden was, we never feel sasuke is crazy. He should've killed or atleast injured some characters from konaha 11.
Honestly, he’d be about the same stat wise minus the curse mark training. He’d be a bit more versatile overall. Kakashi would teach him different chakra natures, and teach him how to use the gates to increase his base. Sasuke would receive training on his sharingan, learning to copy more abilities, and overall just increasing the effectiveness of his three tomoe sharingan. Remember, he’d probably be going on missions often which also would be a form of training as well. He’d still learn his chidori variants, if not more since Kakashi would be guiding him and feeding him ideas, given he developed variants as well. It’s iffy on whether he’d have Kirin or not, but considering he only uses it during one fight in the manga, Kirin isn’t really that important overall-despite it being his strongest jutsu. More than likely though, Kakashi would help him develop a rasenshuriken-level jutsu. possibly a real rasengan lightning variant, and not a failed version. Last, Kakashi would as you said teach Sasuke about the mangekyo. This would more-so be more useful during his fight with Itachi. Kakashi may not have as much knowledge on forbidden jutsu, or some other things like Oro but Kakashi still has a LOT of knowledge and experience.
I rewatch that scene in the hotel and that is 1000% what made him leave. He was crushed and had no other choice at that point
I'm curious as to how the story would've changed if Sasuke had stayed. Would that have been better or worse for the characters involved?
Worse by a lot.
If Sasuke was still there a lot of characters would stagnate,Sakura specifically.
Naruto being so passionate about getting stronger and being so competitive might light a fire under the rest of the konoha 11. Nobody wanted to be surpassed by the fox boy
Much worse.
Sasuke was a black hole for the story. Absolutely everything revolved around him. Had he stayed, we could have been spared hundreds of chapters saving Sasuke and focus on other things in the world. Better world building, more interesting conflicts.
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yes he is
I could honestly see Sasuke being smart enough to get training from both sides LOL think about it. First, training with Kakashi for a year and a half possibly learning water or earth style, all the Chidori variations, and to surprise Naruto, Rasengan since Kakashi knows it too. After some convincing and getting the okay from Tsunade, Sasuke could seek Orochimaru out which won't be hard with Kabuto around. He'll basically tell Orochimaru that he wanted to gain every ounce of power from Konoha and shows him the Rasengan. Orochi being hungry for an Uchiha body would gladly train him but be way more cautious.
Not only all that, but if he was able to teach Sasuke the theory-crafting behind jutsu's to envision their complete versions from partial data, like Lee's Taijutsu and successfully teaching him the Chidori in a week, you also gotta remember that he has an arsenal of thousands of jutsu to let him copy outright, even if it's the hand-seal version because it's outside of Sasuke's affinities.
I feel like Kakashi might have taught Sasuke how to open the eight gates so temporarily he would be able to far exceed the canon Sasuke with even the second gate. As far as the jutsu variety goes I feel like he would be taught way more options by staying in the leaf village.
Raw power isn't everything, he might not have any jutsu as hard hitting as Kirin but I feel he would be overall better fighter, especially training with Naruto whose fighting style up to about midway point of shippuden is to "Keep taking hits until the other side falls" which would likely help Sasuke with endurance - not necesarility increasing his stamina but helping him pace his fights better.
Versatility is one of the most important factor in fight when all else is relative, I know Bleach gets ragged on when the fights devolved into "Who can pull out more secret aces" but that's actually smart fighting looks like. The less information (or even better the more missinformation) your enemy has about you the higher the chances of your survival. Realistically Orochimaru's Sasuke had 2 or 3 fire jutsu, few variations of Chidori, and his sharingan genjutsu, Kirin is too situational to be useful in unplanned fight. Kakashi's Sasuke would have way more than that I feel.
(What I mean with Naruto - The mist village trio in the forest of death, Kiba (even though that was cut short by the fart), He beat Neji because after the last clash he was too spent to be able to dodge. Haku, Sasuke in the valley of the end, Kabuto)
no matter what losing out on the snake jutsu and summoning contracts is a major nerf
Kakashi has dog summons though, so Sasuke would still manage to get a summoning contract - just a different kind. Does mean he won't get out of Deidra's bomb the same way if the fight still happened, but he would also likely have a better mastery of the Sharingan and Lightning Style, so he may not need to Reverse Summon his way out either.
he could learn Snake summoning from Anko he actually has more options and recourses in Konoha if he would just applie himself
I always found it funny that sasuke uses wires all around but never to conduct lightning
out here in the cold waiting for part 35
Kakashi can also create a lightning clone that detonates upon impact
Well, he wouldn't have had Kirin and his chakra reserves probably would've been less, but his other capabilities may have been fine and he'd probably have a better temperament and be able to handle emotional situations a bit better. Maybe he would've come to terms with his anger and sadness and learned to face things head on without losing himself to his anger. He was pretty stoic a lot of the time after his training with Orochimaru, but it was in an uncaring way, and when he cared he'd be rife with anger, so not really in control the way Kakashi could teach him to be. Sure, there is some benefit to utilizing your emotions, but I think the clear head that Kakashi would've taught Sasuke to have would've been very effective.
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Everybody needed Sasuke to go missing for character development, which Naruto didn't get much.
It's hard to consider Kakashi to be the better teacher to help you achieve ur goal of killing your brother when Kakashi had just been cucked by said brother Itachi. At least the power Orochimaru gave Sasuke was highly noticeable and Orochimaru had Kage Killer on his resume.
Sasuke is literally what pushed Naruto and Sakura to get much stronger than they would have had he stayed. Sasuke starts out Shipuuden strong enough to be a Kage much like Gaara. That's likely not happening with Kakashi as his primary teach as Kakashi at that point in time wasn't even that level himself.
And I think in order for Sasuke to become much more powerful, he'd need someone much more powerful to train him to reach his full potential. That obviously wasn't Kakashi.
Despite their similarities Kakashi saw Neji and felt like Sasuke wouldn't be able to reach his level.
Orochimaru shows up and after fighting Sasuke, not too long after he reaches then surpasses Neji's level. Kakashi would limit Sasuke and all of team 7 would be weaker as a result.
Meaning they'd be screwed later on in Shipuuden especially when it came to taking on the god like characters that appeared from and after Pain.
Orochimaru killed two Kages in less than 2 weeks
Well, consider that orochimaru was also clapped by itachi, and kakashi did not use his full potential (most likely a retcon) against itachi either just like guy. It's tough to beat orochimaru in the theoretical field tho, that's probably what gave sasuke the edge after the timeskip.
Ironic you say that when Orochimaru was cucked by a base Itachi Genjutsu in seconds. At least Kakashi put up a fight & was considered threatening enough for Itachi to bring out the MS.
Also, Sasuke had more potential than Kakashi due to his Uchiha heritage. Meaning Kakashi would have been hammering the immense knowledge & jutsu he aquired along the years into a ninja better equipped to use them due to his enormous chakra reserves (Sasuke) as well providing him the necessary Sharingan training to overcome Itachi, or better yet teaming-up with him for an ensured victory.
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If Orochimaru was completely taken out of commission like Kakashi was and had to be carried away like Kakashi was, then I'd agree with you that Orochimaru got cucked by Itachi... but he didn't. Even Kakashi was aware Orochimaru was vastly more powerful than him. Both were vastly weaker than Itachi.
If Kakashi teamed up with Sasuke to defeat him and Itachi actually wanted them dead, then they'd both die. Even sick, itachi was too far above both of them.
I like Kakashi as a character, he's awesome but at the end of the day there are also a number of restrictions Kakashi would put on Sasuke's training which Orochimaru obviously didn't despite him being really intelligent and being a Sharingan user himself.
@@isactalisson True, Itachi basically clapped everyone he fought and actually wanted to beat, but considering how much more powerful Orochimaru is than Kakashi was and having mastered so many jutsu as well like Kakashi and not having to worry about breaking rules or using forbidden Jutsu, Sasuke was like a Thoroughbred allowed to run free to his fullest potential
Actually naruto left the village with jiraya not only to bring Sasuke back, but he had to go with jiraya to get stronger as the akatsuki were tailing jinchuirkis
He didn’t even get stronger though
@@newlife6265he did actually but ppl only care about big jutsu, if you actually pay attention to the series before the time skip Naruto’s basic fighting skills are non existent and fights like a brawler, it’s way cleaner and has technique and counters after the skip
@@NoxLebeau the training was definitely a failure if all he learned for 3 yrs was mere basics while sakura learned medic Jutsu, super strength, taijutsu(better than Naruto at that point) and summoning. And it was already stated that majority of training focus was harnessing nine tails chakra which was a failure.
@@JoGoat20 wow a genius lvl intelligence is gonna learn more faster who would’ve thought. Make a better comparison if you want to make a point
@@NoxLebeau it's just a comparison of how much each student improved under sannins training. Narutos trip was a royal failure and only made him even bigger liability than he was pre timeskip due to loosening of seal. Tsunade literally had to deploy Yamato as he was losing control to kurama every now and then.
Only thing Orochi that puts him over kakashi is being absorbed and giving all those small passive bonuses to Sasuke which is what allowed him to survive with less plot armor. The TRUE reason Kishi got rid of orochi is because once Sasuke unlocks Mangekyou, his chakra level will grow dramatically thus enabling Sasuke to spam Orochimarus snake shed techniques thus making him virtually unkillable. Can’t have Sasuke THAT op. That’s why the author refuse to give him clone jutsu too. So I always laugh when haters say Sasuke got plot armor but in reality it’s only to protect everyone from Sasuke.
Orochimaru would of come after him eventually any way there is nothing stopping Sasuke from puling a same trick he did in canon
Kishi wanted to prevent Sasuke from being to op but then did exactly that with Madara he made him to op and hade to create Kaguya
Is there a single Sasuke fan that doesn't glaze him with reckless abandon.
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Eight gates amp seems to multiply strength tho considering the difference between might guy and his father.
If sasuke trained with kakashi his range of jutsus would’ve definitely been greater but other than that orochimaru offered sasuke too much in terms of drugs, curse mark control, and the jutsu he was taught by orochimaru
Kakashi would have had better results. Remember that Orochimaru didnt actually care about Sasuke's training. He just wanted to keep him around and get him ready to become his vessel. In fact, Orochimaru wanted to make sure that Sasuke doesnt surpass him in the 3 year time needed for him to get his body so that he could still do it. He probably just made Sasuke think he is trying to help him by teaching him stuff to the point that Sasuke realised that and started developing chidori variants by himself. Kakashi on the other hand would not have hidden reasons to make sure Sasuke is kept at a certaint level.
As proof of how good Kakashi is as a teacher is shown when he helps Naruto develop the Rasenshuriken by teaching him about info gathering with his clones and change in chakra nature. What did Jiraiya do in 3 years? He helped Naruto make a slightly bigger Rasengan.
Kakashi would be the one to become a lot stronger if Sasuke stayed.
To be honest, I can't see Kakashi being th perfect master for Sasuke, he could train him for ANBU operations (give him experience of war and assassination as well as the training to make him faster, stealthier and etc.), but that would be it.
Sasuke could learn the 8 gates, Kage bunshin, more chackra natures alongside some useful situational jutsus, but that wouldn't be good for the series. Another thing about it is that the only way for Sasuke to stay was if both he and Naruto became wiser and gained some maturity, Naruto stopped beign the selfish hypocrite and for once understand the people will suffer differently and he was the one pushing Sasuke away, and Sasuke getting the trust he was seeking, knowing his team had his back and they will do a btter job than him alone.
That being said, Orochimaru wasn't a better teacher, but it was a better environment. Smart and creative people have their epiphany alone, but need a team to make it perfect.
The way I see it, Orochimaru was the most suited person to teach Sasuke about Sharingan, better than Kakashi, but that was the only thing Orochimaru personally teach to Sasuke... Maybe the Snakes, or that could be Kabuto as well as the drugs. But his techniques and ideas would be developed alone and in secret. Orochimaru could know about Kirin and show the missing pieces, but I bet it was 80% Sasuke ans 20% Orochi on how he developed that jutsu, something like "Kakashi cut a Lightning with this just, could I do that as wel-- wait... How can I gat a lighting to test-- If I could summon a lightning-- maybe I can, but... How...".
But idk, If the series was named Sasuke, maybe he could become more mentally stable and learned 8 gates, Kage Bunshin, Sage more and the whole plot would be about Danzo trying to get Sasuke.
He probably would of told Sasuke to cast himself under a genjutsu to train inside there, relizing the potential of increase mental faculties.
2:30 No. Jiraiya told Naruto to forget about Sasuke. The training is meant to be prepared for the Akatsuki.
Naruto said no to that, and Jiraiya relented.
This was a great video
I think you usually underestimate kage level since Ms saske was getting manhandled by every kage in the five kage summit. I think he would be sannin level or high join at best after the time skip
MS sasuke was going after 3 conseuctive kage level shinobi, not to mention he subsequently beats Danzo as well. He was easily high kage level at that point.
@@zekite6467 he was going after 3 consecutive kages and would have died to every single one of them if not for gaara, zetsu and tobi. He was getting manhandled by the raikage mad the tsuchikage and even the mizukage was destroying him with no effort. The danzo fight was the only fair one and danzo was trying to save power to fight with obito afterwards and even with that he barely won
Glorious day to be early and on a lunch break
What if the uchiha trained sasuke or what if itachi and shisui trained sasuke
if Sasuke was trained the same way Itachi was basically groomed sense birth to be a killing weapon by his father
Interesting video to see
Dygo favorite character is clearly Sasuke
No sh*t if he had the chance he would change the anime name from Naruto to Sasuke
Sasuke sucks
Tbh, the whole anime IS about Sasuke, he is a Seinen character stuck into a Shounen manga, he got a lot of development and weight on how he thinks and acts. If Naruto wasn't such a selfish hypocrite, the story would be a lot smoother and Sasuke would've be seen as a "better character" in many people's eye's.
But is exactly that what makes him interesting... Flaws, mistakes, dilemas.
You may not agree with how Sasuke thinks, but you can absolutely see why he would think that way and see that he is playing the hand he got and willing to go to the bitter end if that achieves a better conclusion.
So do you @@-error-7936
@@dantesreaIms me to
Sasuke already learned everything he needed from kakashi in pt1, while oroicmaru made sasuke poison resistance and got him to kage lvl since he solo team 7 in the beginning of shippuden then beat Deidra 1v1, who just beat kage gaara in the beginning of shippuden oroimaru was the best sensei for him kakashi already played his role in pt1.
Always had this headcanon that if Sasuke stayed in the village that Sasuke would've been trained by Kakashi and Anko
Its one of those things where the narrative really implies one thing but idk man kakashi made naruto kage level in a few weeks and is one of the only other peoole with a sharingan and mangekyo to train sasuke with
No he didn’t lmao
@jaioncebollero1168 thank god you said it. Naruto isn't kage lv when he beats kakuzu, the kakuzu fight is just trash. Even if you want to use that garbage narrative it's a weakened kakuzu who was fighting a 6 on 1. Naruto just landed a jutsu that kakuzu shoulda dodged. Naruto is kage only at the pain fight.
That was only possible bc of naruto’s shadow clones, which are broken and op when it comes to training. Sasuke doesn’t have that
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Actually it IS Jiraya who taugh Naruto to use the shadow clone jutsu to get more experience for the first Time in part one of the show while they some hours before Naruto used the summoning to summon gamabunta for the first time
Sasuke would've been alot weaker than his time skip self, but eventually stronger since a person's good will plays a big factor in their strength.
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Sasuke would be far stronger if he stayed in the leaf as long as he did not limit himself to only kakashi. Then he could learn the gates from lee and the strength abiltiy of sakura and tsunade so he would have base tsunade strength plus a tier 2 curse mark amp plus a 8 gates amp he would be unstoppable.
Sasuke under Orochimaru's training: Base Hebi Sasuke beat up Naruto with 3 tails and can suppressed his red kyuubi/kurama chakra cloak with Sharingan. Sasuke under Kakashi's training: being beaten up by Naruto with 1 tail.
That never happened 3 tails naruto never fought hebi sasuke
@@markoshpuza1296 Orochimaru said that Naruto with 3 tails was no match for Sasuke. no even close.
Yah Orochimaru had 3 YEARS while Kakashi had like a few months at most(If were talking about 1 on 1 training its only 2 weeks) so not the most apt comparison.
Naruto let him do it, but I get what you mean
@@HC-gm4foNaruto couldn't do shit against a base BOS Sasuke who was holding back.
What if Hiruzen and danzo trained Naruto and Sasuke from 8 years old after the Uchiha Massacre
I don’t believe Kakashi would’ve been a better teacher. Sasuke and him have plenty of similarities but Orochimaru is a Sanin and genius in his own right, a way more experienced and a stronger ninja overall than Kakashi at that time
At Orochimaru's hide out Sasuke, Kabuto, and ocrohimaru all disappear using some kind of a fire style teleportation jutsu.
What was that technique? If it was not a teleportation jutsu then were they all fire clones because if so then that would mean that Sasuke was only using half his strength when he defeated all of them
Everyone talking about how strong Kakashi might make Sasuke by training him. But honestly... I think Kakashi would learn just as much from Sasuke as Sasuke would learn from Kakashi. Which would ironically better his ability to Teach Sasuke.
Was chicory spear before or after the war? Because I don't recall sasuke ever using it during his early shippuden arcs.
I only recall chicory stream and senbon, which was displayed both during team 7 reunion and against deidara
I think that sasuke would use help from other people to get stronger because that what Naruto taught him, maybe he would be stronger in genjetsu and physically stronger and faster if he trained with lee
If Sasuke didn’t leave the village like others said he would be more versatile meaning Kakashi could teach him a lot of justu from the other elements.
I actually could see Kakashi having Sasuke make a contract with his ninja hounds as well and Sasuke would probably be more analytical when it comes to fighting like Kakashi as well and eventually he would probably learn the different chidori techniques as well.
In sort Sasuke would be around the same level as Hebi Sasuke or a bit weaker but he would be more well rounded as a ninja
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a big problem is that sasuke would need to go in missions, so he wouldn't have as much time to training, the same goes to naruto
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i would guess Kakashi would be a better teacher. He guided Naruto after all and gave him a major boost
Can you make a video about if Kakashi could be accepted to Akatsuki? Would he fit in power-wise? Maybe add Guy too.
New video idea what if kakashi trained sakura I mean you’ve already done his first two students so why not just complete the set
I thought that Naruto left the village during the time skip to make it harder for the Akatsuki to find him?
No. They had to wait 3 years anyway. I can remember why though
@@newlife6265 this were gathering resources or something like that.
Kirin requires a set up so it couldn't be kirin off the bat
I think calling Sasuke “kage level” after the time skip is a stretch. I just couldn’t see him winning against any kage that early.
He's beyond kage level
@@DygoKnight How though? Do you seriously think that Sasuke would be able to 1v1 all of the kage at that point? He won’t even have the tools he had during the 5 Kage Summit.
I genuinely don’t see how he is “beyond kage level” with only the base Sharingan. I’d even use his fight against Deidara as an example. Sasuke barely survived that despite having an elemental advantage over Deidara, whereas Gaara likely could have defeated Deidara had he not tried to nuke the Sand Village. Even when MS Sasuke fought Gaara, it’s not like he was gonna breeze through him. His Amaterasu was blocked and the sand could bypass Susanoo if needed. So how is a weaker version of that Sasuke beating any kage?
@@jamisonreynolds9949 The raikage is the only one he really can't beat.
Edo Deidara stalemated onoki in the war arc and you know how that went, Mai would get fodderized for obvious reasons, the whole thing with garra and the amateuru is a misconception, in the anime it looks like he casted it on the sand while in the manga we see the amaterasu moving from his susanno to garra meaning he didn't use the version that is instanious. Plus Deidara was holding back as to not kill garra cause he needed him alive, C4 would finish him easily
beyond kage level is crazy but he was kage level only because he won against deidera, who was kage level
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Well naruto's Rasen shuriken is his jutsu alone, but it is part of a jutsu family of the rasengan, it is the rasengan with wind nature chakra.
Essentially, the 4th hokage developed the rasengan which was similar to the tailed beast bomb just without tailed beast chakra. And it's rotation.
But the rasen shuriken variation before it was called wind release Rasengan, a rasengan with wind chakra, and then rasen shuriken was just an intense and bigger version of it.
We didn’t know if sasuke was stronger than naruto during the timeskip because everyone forgets naruto was EXTREMELY fatigued when he faced sasuke because of the fight with orochimaru, his 4 tails transformation, and the fact he was falling on the ground a lot because of how tired he was
We literally know because Orochimaru literally tell that 3 Tails Naruto don't hold a candle to BOS Sasuke and he literally blitz the whole Team 7 without even trying and none see he is coming.
Sasuke literally wake up and bully the fuck out of new team Kakashi and literally make Naruto & Sakura for how weak they are.
Kurama was impress by Sasuke's evolution and still call Naruto a weak MF after 2 years and a half of training and said that Naruto need his power to be useful.
@@joaov.candido8399 Kurama and orochimaru said that to taunt naruto and like I said that was a extremely exhausting and don’t get me wrong sasuke was more powerful than naruto but we don’t know the extent
I don't think Sasuke even took drugs. It honestly sounded more like they were coping, rationalizing his strength. While the gap between the two isn't as stark as between Indra and Asura, Sasuke is supposed to be the gifted one.
If he never leaves the village he never can get power. He will be weaker than Naruto with dwindling confidence like Neji.
Is nobody going to mention that Kakashi got Sasuke to perfect his sharingan’s capabilities in copying Lee’s speed and movements alongside chidori?
Dude, Orochimaru is a trash ass teacher. His prized pupil student did nothing but lose. Think about it, Sasuke trained under a Sannin and still could beat Itachi, didn’t stand a chance against Killer bee, and got stomped by the Kages. Orochimaru is a top teer fighter, but what was he doing with Sasuke's training? He should have stayed under Kakashi, he'd have teammates to back him, and he might have been able to win a fight.
A way better question is what if sasuke was freaky and his name is Freaksuke
The real question is, which one would have the most swagger. My knee jerk reaction is to go with Oro-Sasuake but if you think about Kakashi over the length of the series there's some real potential there for Kaka-Sasuke to have that Big D energy in abundance.
Kakashi could have thought Sasuke any of his 1000 Copied Jutsus by teaching sasuke how to copy from him😂
High unlikely he would be upto par with the him trained with orochimaru. Orochimaru despite being himself has an eye for talent and bringing it out to frightening level.
You have to know that this kakashi's first team and he fumbled so bad it created some disfunction i can't see sasuke putting a dent on itachi under him.
Well if sasuke hadn’t trained by Orochimaru he would have died against Deidara(using snake to cover the huge explosion) and Itachi(he used to spit himself like a snake)
The biggest Hot take was saying Sasuke was at Kage level during Reunion
Edit: Naruto was told by Kakashi that he is incompatible considering that they didn’t have the same Chakra nature so he would still go with Jiraiya. Sasuke would Get Ninjutsu from his enemies, Get Genjutsu, still have curse mark, evolve his Sharingan that comes with having curse mark, He would legit be High Sanin level.The fact that Sasuke doesn’t know any Genjutsu as a uchiha is criminal especially when your clan is known for specializing in it.
Sasuke uses genjutsu more than Kakashi, lol.
If Sasuke didn't leave the village future Sasuke will train him.
What about his access to summonings?
I think the main difference that Orochimaru and Kakashi is their behavior, Kakashi wants to train Sasuke but its difficult to say how much risk he would put on it.
Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body but he also wanted a perfect vessel, so I'd argue Orochimaru probaly experimented and was more reckless with his training on Sasuke, he has Kabuto and a lot of drugs at his disposal.
Also bear in mind, Orochimaru's objective was to master every jutsu possible so he is the most knowledgeable person with jutsu development.
I feel like orochimaru would’ve held him back through deceit, like I’m so certain orochimaru wouldn’t have told/taught him everything in order to make it easier to control him
what if sasuke actually listened to itachi and killed his closest friend (naruto), would love to hear your take
That entirely depends if Kurama respawns or gets pulled to his other half and thus one of the tailed beasts is off the table.
you got to make this what ifs what if Naruto was a full Uzumaki what if Orochimaru trained Kakashi what if jiraiya became the fourth Hokage and lastly great what if my friend
Naruto is a full Uzumaki + senju + namikaze. He's asura reincarnate, he's the original dude who started both those bloodlines, its just one of his grandchildren started playing with seals more than the other senju.
@@nikothehero799 no, nope I wanna see it on what if man
Next video, "what if Itachi trained his brother"
But you forget that If they got Sasuke back then he would have been castrated in order to calm him and make him docile.
how would castrating Sasuke help? he would still be a threat without his balls.
When he does decide to teach he is good at it, but would he actually teach them anything during those 2 and a half years. His record before the time skip says no, he won't.
Will the next rewrite come this month
Sasuke would read books like Kakashi did and become a fan of Jiraiya too
Kakashi is a good teacher twice 😂 once with Sasuke and once with Naruto
This is one of the reasons why I have mixed feelings about Kakashi. Why didn't he not train his own team? Did he not care, or did he think they don't need training?
Did he have time to train them? He only spent a few months with them with a lot happening within those few months. 😂.
He is the most laziest teacher I’ve ever seen in a Naruto universe
Kakashi: Sasuke was taking steroids that’s why he looks feminine when he uses the curse mark level 2. The estrogen side effects are kicking in 😂
He would have been weaker. They specifically say the only reason he was able to get so strong so fast during the timeskip with Orochimaru was because he was drugging up.
No that was just their theory but they didn’t know for sure
@jasonmoukala8909 They straight up say it's unnatural. They talk like it's physically impossible for Sasuke to have progressed that much in such a amount of time with just training. Kishimoto was clearly trying to set a more realistic bar for progression early on, but realized that Naruto would be too far behind to deal with future exculating threats (i.e. Pain), so he had to abandon it.
@@kevinbell5674 did kishi discuss this with you? Did you guys go over this?
@jasonmoukala8909 Why actually, yes, we did. If you aren't going to take this seriously, then I don't see why I have to.
@@kevinbell5674 ur the one making baseless assumptions