Melbourne's Closed St Kilda Railway Line
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- The St Kilda Railway Line Was An Integral Part Of Melbourne's Growth Opening In 1857, And Closing in 1987, So What Remains Today?
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You are a font of knowledge when it comes to Melbourne's train history young fella, with young people like you our country will be in good hands, keep up the good work...........
Glad you think that Noel, it means a lot. Hopefully I can create a career out something that I am doing now, that would be awesome
I agree its good to see young people doing good. I hope those rattle cans in the background aren't his? Lol.
@@freeagent8225 He looks a bit to intelligent to be writing tags on walls.
Leave that skill to the idiots that don't know any better.
@@weldmachine yeah
@@thetrainman548 Totally agree with Noel's comments. I'm an old bugger so I still remember the old St Kilda line. We used to take to go to Luna Park. The trains only had 2 or 3 carriages and I remember the doors opened outward, I'd never seen that before on a VicRail train.
I'm 62. As a child, travelled in the old Tait, swing door carriages. I worked for the Victorian Railways from age 16 to 20. North Brighton, Armidale and Bentleigh. I roved from Caulfield to Patterson as a group station assistant as well. Times have certainly changed! Never did lose my love of trains. Thank you, for your videos. 🙂
Yay finally the St Kilda Line
Haha, happy to get this video out :)
Used to take that train to see bands at the Ballroom, POW and Espy.
That's cool Gavan! Hope you enjoyed the video :)
I worked in the railways overhead division in the 80’s when they were converting the line to light rail. I recall there was a lot of resistance to the light rail project between the unions and government. Myself & other overhead workers refused to isolate the overhead system at the time. But the government pushed through their agenda! I only found your channel today, watched a few vids already, you’re doing a great job, providing some very good information. Keep up the good work.
I worked at St Kildare station as a station Assistant watching the Red Rattlers come in the station and waving the Gaurd it's all clear to take the train out he signals the driver to go great memories
Memories of great times from the past.
Seems these days that's all we have left ??
I've been on the St Kilda light rail line several times Max, but never knew about that long lost Windsor loop line, so thanks for including that! Another great production and yeh, I liked that little pose at Middle Park too!
Haha, thanks very much Barney, glad you picked up the pose too :) I will be doing a video on the Windsor Loop line one day, such a little known part of Melbourne's Hstory
I know this is three years old but it just popped up on my TH-cam. I can remember taking the old wooden red train to St Kilda in the 1980's. It was fun
Thank you; yesterday while on the Hurstbridge line I wondered at Diamond Creek (and geology) then Emerald. Who thought we would get diamonds and emeralds on sandstone like this?
Turns out, as you point out that Emerald was probably named in honour of immigrants from Eire, Ireland, like Emerald Hill in South Melbourne. You're a god send!!
I've always wished that they would reintroduce trains again in the ST Kilda line, the loop line which few people know about would be great too! You're putting out some awesome videos mate, Keep up the great work!
With the Windsor loop line, there are some parks that follow the route of the old line including Windsor Siding and Gladstone Gardens! It's nice to walk along those and wonder how the area has changed.
St Kilda station is kinda new. The old one was burnt to the ground somewhere around the early 90s i think. Very cool you mentioned the loop line that linked Windsor Station. The siding is still at Windsor(now a park)and is followable with a little imagination and a satelite map. The tressel bridge over St Kilda Road for it was something else.
Nice vid man
Great video and history. I lived around these parts for over twenty years. At least this line didn’t disappear with its tracks ripped up. Light rail is a magic solution and you have to wonder if some of the other inner Melbourne railway lines could have ended up this way as light rail…
4:20 Good transition there, a wave of the hand and you're in a new location!
I have just watched several of your videos in succession. I admire your enthusiasm to discover the history of our closed railways. Well done 😊
You’ve got a natural talent for presenting. Great video!
Yes, he did a Great job.
Hope to see him turn his talent to other videos about Melbourne.
I had a child hood memory from 73 if a dead end single sided station that once I was old enough to visit melbourne from the bush took me some years to find.. It was of course the always wonderful st kilda. I still like to visit st kilda when I get to town and can still picture the station as I roll by in the tram..
That is really cool Mark, thank you for sharing. Sometimes, I have memories of train journeys that I can't remember, but this one is definitely cooler, seeing the station change over time!
Nice vid mate. The South Melbourne tram line is one of the rare points where a tram bridge crosses over another tram line, just up near MSAC.
That's very true, never thought of that! I have travelled past that intersection many times, that is cool, wonder how many points in Melbourne have this kind of intersection, glad you enjoyed 🙌
Watching 2024. Excellent young man.
My first job in Melbourne was the Victorian Railways and my first station was St Kilda. 13 shifts a fortnight was the norm for a station assistant in those days (1965) and "split shifts" (6am to 10am, then 2pm to 6pm) were common. The flood of passengers morning and afternoon seemed normal in those days, but would be regarded with horror by any present-day traveller undertaking the eleven-minute journey from St KIlda to Flinders St. My boss, stationmaster Cliff Wilson, looked gorgeous in his dark-blue-and-gold uniform, as did his Assistant, Harry Traegar (?) who was also the Communist Party candidate for the St Kilda Council. We were a mixed crew of about thirty permanent staff members, who were a cheerful lot, always alert for the new boy who they could solemnly send across to number three road with a rag and a can of Brasso to polish the rails.
I loved the old footage of the train journey. Your videos are excellent.
Great research! well done mate
I remeber getting off that station before lightrail.
Very jealous, it must have been a cool experience looking back at it now!
Thanks for a very cool, very niche history lesson. It's fascinating to see how the city has evolved over the last 100 or so years. Keep up the good work man, I look forward to watching more of your content.
Congratulations, loving your work, TTM. I enjoy the presentation - you have a great presence, and really informative content.
Thanks again Anthony, you have been busy watching my videos, well done!
I remember riding this train to go to the dentist in Albert park in the 70s
I love the old footage Train Man. I'm a StK resident and a regular 96 commuter, so I particularly enjoyed this one.
I have fond memories of the old run down StK station of the 90s. They've done a great job of revitalising the area since then.
Agreed, other than some graffiti, the line and surrounding area has transitioned to the light rail amazingly, glad you enjoyed the video, thanks!
St Kilda Station had 3 platforms, not just one. Go back and have another look. Platform 1 was outside the booking office and waiting room, which you can still see, then there were two tracks, then an island containing Platforms 2 and 3, then another track. The two-track part has been filled in, but you can still see the bluestone edges at both sides.
Fantastic video, great learn about my suburb history
Glad you liked it John. Thanks for watching :)
My grandparents lived along this line in the 80's - 90's, they really welcomed the light-rail because the train would shake the windows, very noticeably at night
Haha, never thought of that, glad they were happy for the conversion. Even though it was such a historic line, I believe it is more suited to a light rail, tram service. Thanks!
@@thetrainman548 Not everyone welcomed it since, unlike the trains, the trams they initially used were not wheelchair accessible.
That's very true, it is good to see wheelchair friendly trams on the St Kilda and Port Melbourne lines nowadays
Many train lines should have sound barriers like freeways have near residential areas. (Or Well designed Skyrail, cuttings or tunnels.)
@@thetrainman548 Yes, being such a short line, it had to become a light rail. It's a pity it was never extended under Fitzroy st. or along the tram line, and onto Rowville (I know pipe dreams). It would have been an excellent feed (along with Port Mel-b'n) to a tunnel under Flinders st.
I used to walk on sandridge bridge when my mum worked in the city, I had no idea it was once used by trains
Friend Of Mine Used To Live In St Kilda And Remembers The Train Very Well! Another Friend Remarked As We Got Off At St Kilda Light Rail Stop Where The Railway Station Once Was That Young People Of Today Would Have No Idea That There Was Once A Railway Station Here! Hoping Your Videos Can Educate Them! 🙂🏚️🛤️🚇🚃🚃🚃🏖️🌅🎢
I've wondered for so long what the Sandridge Bridge was for. Great Video!!
This was very good. I liked how you overlayed old footage with the new.
I have travelled on both those lines in the Tait trains in the late '70s and early 80s, I'm from Adelaide and just love the VR history, great video, love your style...cheers
Thank you Mark, great to hear I did the lines justice, great to hear you enjoy the videos from interstate!
Hey there young feller, i just stumbled upon your site and subed immediately. I was looking up old abandoned railway lines in Melbourne cause i have an idea and ive always been a huge fan of trains. I used to catch the St Kilda train quite regularly and it always was a old red rattler in the mid to late1970s as a young teenager with a hip flask of wiskey in my back pocket to go the pinball parlour on Fitzroy st were it bends around the corner, i was a regular there, and also again in the 80s and it was still a red rattler. I recognised the author of the video as being a, how do i say as a part of my brand, so to speak, no what i mean.Lol I had to laugh at the fumbles as i suffer from extreme dislexia, occasional stutter and now recently diagnosed with autism at 58 yrs old. Im sorry though i couldnt pin point out the acompalice, will have to re check the pose. Lol. Cheers from Dave PS. I can see a friend of mine but fairly recently Rob from St Albans and Tony Tripp my X girlfriends father which is kinda wierd, so Stella then, does that mean y
As a UK visitor to Melbourne I quickly noticed the reused sections in the tram way. Was interested to know the history. You have saved me a lot of research. Great work.
Nice one indeed young fella! When I lived in Melbourne I used to travel over a fair bit of the area you've covered! Well done!
Macleod station has a branch off that went to Mont Park,could be interesting.
Very much so! I did a little research on it a few months ago, I have never been but I will definitely do a video on it eventually, hope you enjoyed :)
Great work again!
Far out, how goods that Clío @0:52! Great research little man! Amazing videos!
Well researched and interesting presentation. Thank-you.
Having lived in Melbourne for 10 years, I found your chat regarding the St. Kilda rail line very interesting. Unfortunately, far too many great buildings/institutions have been demolished for the want of progress (?). I worked at the A.W Allen Confectionery Company, and note that this bluestone building, plus the illuminated signs have been demolished. May I congratulate you on your presentation and knowledge of the Melbourne I used to know. Congratulations, look forward to viewing more of your interesting you tube presentations. Al.
Realy enjoyed the video - keep up the good work
Another great video! Very very informative, and you're so good on your retelling of history.
I try to not overcomplicate the history so anyone watching can understand, regardless of prior knowledge, awesome to hear you enjoy the style, thanks again David 😀
Good to see young soul interested in the Euroa network enjoying some PR work and some MC work on the subject maybe there's a job for you in television
Thanks for keeping this history alive,!
Fascinating. Especially the loop at the end. Many thanks.
No problem, great to hear you enjoyed :)
Another fascinating doco, bloke, and great to see the historical footage incorporated!
Yes, it was awesome to incorporate the footage, great to hear you enjoyed yet another video, thank you!
Thank you mate. ill definitely be handing this history down to my children.
I enjoyed that! Never really thought of rail in Australia. Thank you
TM, great shot of an Hitachi complete with center doorway @ 0:34!!!!
A ritual every Saturday morning was a visit to South Melbourne Markets to do the shopping, my aunt and I would travel from Albion to Spencer Street then jump on what was usually a Tait set for the markets, I always got 20 cents to spend on a bag of mixed "gogs" (lollies). Melbourne in the 60's and 70's was great! The graffiti is the worst I have seen for an Australian city, no one seems to care about its removal. Great video Max, well done, very informative.
On St.Kilda line you could buy a combined train & bus ticket, at least back as far as the 1960's (multi-modal !)
Went On The St Kilda Railway Line A Few Times In 1986 The Year Before It Closed Usually Got Off At South Melbourne Albert Park And Occasionally St Kilda!🙂🚇🚃🚃🚃🛤️🌉🏖️🌅🎢
TrainMan, in the 70’s and early 80’s we would catch a connecting bus from St Kilda station to Elwood. It was really busy during peak times. It might have been the 601 route operated by Melbourne- Brighton bus line. It’s a bus and not a train, but I wonder whether you could weave in a story about this bus company? Your channel is truly interesting and you’re a bright light in this currently tumultuous world. Thanks for the entertainment including the funny bits. Cheers mate.
Ben, i can go back before then. Up untill the late 50's you could catch a tram from St.Kilda station to Brighton beach. It went up Grey st., down Barkly st, turned into the Broadway, went down the Broadway to Ormond rd, then down to St.Kilda st, into St.Kilda st down to Beach rd to Brighton Beach station. The Elwood tram depot was on the corner of Beach rd and Head st, where a huge apartment complex is currently being built.
Haha thank you Ben, I know I am The Train Man, but I do hope to move into trams and buses in the future. I will keep your comment in mind for the future, especially a cool video on this bus, thanks!
Thanks for the extra information cudgee :)
Hell yeah! I'm working on a school project on this line, and this helped me alot!
Also, here's a sugeestion: Do a Secrets Of the Mernda Line video. My uncle helped build the new line.
Glad I could help you! Mernda Line will be done shortly, awesome to hear your relative helped extend the line!
@@thetrainman548 If you look carefully you'll see old platforms. Will you go all the way to Whittlesea ? that's where the the line originally terminated.
As a very little boy I remember my grandmother taking me and my brother to see her Aunt who lived at Middle Park. Was probably 1964/65. At that point the trains that served the line where the "dog box" Tait carriages. Not sure when they stopped using those carriages but they where quite an experience.
Thank you for sharing your story Ross, very jealous of your time with Tait trains, I'm still yet to see one in person :(. Hope you enjoyed the video, the line was obviously close to you.
@@thetrainman548 Actually that journey to Middle Park started at Jordanville as we lived at Mt Waverley and our house was directly opposite the rail line. We would have caught a regular Tait train or if we were lucky a newer Harris train. Or as we called them in those days a red or a blue train!
Haha, my journeys for these videos currently start at Mount Waverley, cool to hear about the Red, Blue trains, must've have been fun to wait for which one you got!
Excellent excellent excellent. Please add more history of train lines around Melbourne
Will do! Still lots more lines to go, glad you enjoyed this video😊
I'll second that: excellent excellent excellent. Never knew about the loop though.
*From someone who's travelled on both trains way back then*
Very surprised to see an actual young person living in 2021 that has so much interest in Melbourne's history.
I just learnt something from this video i did not even notice when crossing the bridge at Southbank.
The old train bridge with a list of all the countries people who have decided to call Melbourne there new home.
Wow! there was a train bridge to Windsor? Been catching the 96 forever and apart from knowing it was once a train line knew nothing of its heritage, thanks train man for making this (and maybe some algorithm because I didn’t know I wanted to see this stuff!) keep it up 👍
Another interesting video with a lot of history. The St Kilda signal box was switched in to stable trains in the yard. When it was switched out the points and signals were operated automatically. This was one of the first automatic operations on the VR.
Wow, the signal switching sounds interesting, I didn't know about that! Glad you enjoyed another video :)
Also Thanks For Mentioning The St Kilda To Brighton Tramline Got A Booklet About It There's Also A DVD On It Too!🙂🚊🚋🏖️⛱️🌅
wow. some very intresting information. thanks for researching it bud
Good stuff mate, keep up your good work, really enjoying it, and enjoy your school hols.
Thank you cudgee! Happy to hear you're liking the videos, I hope to relax the next 2 weeks with lots of filming!
you could do a special about Flinders street station...
Hahahaha, first person to mention it, it was meant to be a secret! I hope to have a great video out in next couple of videos!
@@thetrainman548 Many memories of Flinders street ..
excellent work train man.
We used to catch this train to go to the lake and catch yabbies, and to Stkilda to go to Luna Park or the beach
That's awesome, hope I did a line that is clearly close to you, justice in the video!
I remember there used to be a terminal next to Elsternwick park
Hey Max - nice info! Though I think a bit of footage about the VR Antiquities store and further explanation of what VR means would have added variety and interest.
Thanks for the feedback Peter, for future video, I will make sure all is clear and explained!
Wow. Very informative. Thanks 🙏.
Really interesting...thanks
This is awesome, great video!
Thanks for this man. I didn't know about this
Fantastic content mate, keep it coming. Love it! 😃❤️🇦🇺👍👏
That was excellent. Can you link to the original footage you had of the trains eye view of the line?
I believe it's in the description. Really cool stuff! The same guy has one for the Port Melbourne line too!
Thank You -That was really helpful and informative.
glad you thought so :)
Great vid
I went on the first bridge on a school trip has no idea it was part of this
Happy to hear you enjoyed and glad I could teach you something :)
G'day Train Man! Good to see you back. I've noticed that you haven't ventured west yet. I'm sure this is because you are savouring some of the immense history involved with this side of town - such as Newport Train Yards! We'd love to see you do a video about the Williamstown Line!
You hit the nail on the head haha, Williamstown video coming in the next week or two, I have filmed it already!
The broad gauge tram depot was at Elwood. (StKilda St & Head St) The tram route was replaced by a bus route which took over the old depot.
Thanks for the extra information Kevin, I was a little unclear on the little known tram, so I appreciate the clarity, thanks again, hope you enjoyed :)
@@thetrainman548 Other information you could have included: Due to lack of space at StKilda there was a transfer table from one to two road so the engine could run around. When you have a look at the canopy supports, you will see the last one (closest to Fitzroy St) is different to allow the engine to change tracks.
Wow, that's pretty cool. I didn't know about, I must have a look next time I visit the station, thank you
I guess I’m wrong about the west thing, it’s not Werribee or Williamstown but it’s St Kilda, also you have ad revenue!
That's correct! Sorry about the ads, but hopefully the money I earn can go back into making bigger and better videos.
no, nothing wrong with ads, it helps you get money as you said before. I can see that your channel is growing already over 1.2 K subs, if you put more effort into the videos with the money it will pay off.
Thanks again, the growth on the channel has been awesome over the past couple of months
Yet another excellent, informative and entertaining video, thanks.
Thanks again Stephen, glad you enjoyed another one :)
Really interesting. Well researched. Like what you do.
That transition 👌
I do love my transitions :)
I mainly love British trains but Melbourne trains are also very cool :)
Great work mate, keep it up! Shame to see all the graffiti everywhere though. Isn't there surveillance everywhere these days, so why can't we stamp it out?
I would like to know where they keep getting all the spray paint ???
Seems Every shop that sells Spray Paint these days has got it locked away in cages ??
Each time i need Spray Paint i have to find someone to unlock the cage and let me quickly choose what i want so they can lock it up again ????
Great content man !! Keep it up
Great video! Very interesting
great video as always my dude! keep it up :D
Great to hear from you again, happy to hear you enjoyed another video😊
Excellent video again. Well done
Thanks again! Glad you enjoyed.
it good to see you again
You too Eddy, hope you enjoyed!
I used to walk over the old rail bridge to work for a few years, those sculptures used to be animated along a track, unfortunately when the system failed they didn't bother fixing it. I am assuming it's still broke and will never be fixed.
Cool videos and you sound cheeky
Great job my man! Keep up the videos!
Not many people realise that Melbourne has the largest metro train network in the southern hemisphere with 18 lines. Flinders Street and Sandridge are the two oldest stations in Australia. The busiest line in the southern hemisphere is the Lilydale line. The busiest station in the southern hemisphere is Flinders Street.
Now those are some staggering stats aren't they! I didn't know that the Lilydale Line was the busiest in the whole hemisphere, wow!
@@thetrainman548 Yes. Maybe you could do a historical video of the Red rattler single car trains that used to run on sundays in the 1980s between Eltham & Hurstbridge and between Camberwell & Alamein? And maybe on the blue & yelloe Fast parcels vans too????
A haircut between the main video and the outro! Nice cut Train Man and awesome video as usual!
Thanks Adam, needed the trim badly, glad you like it haha.
Great reporting again man, the jumps up onto the original platforms rock with history for us older folk. A snippet of info is at the Bank Street road crossing where the Yarra River once flowed prior to it being diverted to run adjacent to the Flinders St Station. FACT check not necessary, in 1994 a local old timer showed me an original official council map of the area which depicted the Yarra River along Bank St, most the area between Melbourne and St Kilda was swamp which flooded regularly. Albert park and Middle Park were created after the river was relocated, the Gov of the day added 18" or 450mm of soil to enable housing to be developed. This was the reason there were no stations between Flinders and St Kilda. Savage head cut mate, no locks. Laters, Dean
Thanks again Dean, great to hear from you again. That is very interesting about the diversion for the river and swamplands, never knew about that, thank you. Happy to hear you like the video, and the cherky trim, cheers :)
Like I said there were no intermediate stations between St Kilda and Princes Bridge because of the swamp, what I didn't' expand on is that the State Gov at the time decided to make a feature of the northern bank of the Yarra River in Melbs. The action of deeply dredging, and widening the swampy river bed in the Melbourne area served to drain the whole swamp all the way to St Kilda. The only relief between the 2 stations was Emerald Hill which was a natural hill formation, thus the name.
The Yarra was dredged all the way to Footscray where the Yarra River joined the Maribyrnong River then flowed out to sea at Williamstown. The Maribyrnong and the Yarra Rivers are both tributaries of the Tamar River in Launceston but this is best saved for when you tackle Tasmanian Railways too. Good luck baldy.@@thetrainman548
Oh, the dredged material from the Yarra River was carted to form the hills the that comprise the now Botanical Gardens of Melbourne, this too also served to block the flooding of the South Melbourne lowlands area. Laters
That's some, thorough, little know facts. Preventing and removing the swamp lands and flooding sounds like it took a very long time for the Government. This further explains the Emerald Hill name as well. thanks again!
Great job! 😉👍
Cool video mate well done
I went to the Melbourne grand prix last year, to watch the F1 Race. While it is actually called the, Australian Grand Prix.
Thanks man for the name information, great to hear you watched the race last year, hope you enjoyed :)
Awesome video! love it, keep up the great work Train Man !!!
Cheers Jay, I appreciate the support!