Federer Serve Problems at the Recreational Level
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Roger Federer has one of the best serves in the history of tennis. Logically, many recreational tennis player try to copy the Fed serve. However, there are some unorthodox technical elements on Roger's serve that might cause problems to players at the recreational level.
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I've been able to imitate Zverev's double faults quite well. They look really good.
😂😂🙌🙌
They count the same as his double faults too. Congrats! You nailed it!
hahaha, are you a pro or what?😂
does this mean they also go at 135 mph :-)
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While we shouldn’t copy Federer’s serve, we should copy his work ethic and keep playing at an older age!
39 is not old for rec level... people start at 40 :D
@@speedymr Are you calling me old??
Roblox smiley face :)
You shouldn’t copy anybody’s serve to the T. You should however copy big ideas seen between all players. Shoulder turn, trophy position, shifting/transferring of weight, toss, land, etc.
I serve extremely similar to kyrgios in terms of transferring of body weight and movement but with minor adjustments to help me in my size and ability
Agree you shouldn't copy anyone full stop get pointers sure but don't try to imitate as what comes natural works better..
Although I never tried tried to copy Federer consciously, it’s natural to mimic the players you look up to. I’ve managed to correct my forehand to a motion that’s efficient and comfortable for me rather than one that looks like Federer’s. That being said, I recognised all the problems in my serve through this video. Time to set up a new one. Thank you so much!
I was at a drills session, hitting good serves. A coach said, "who taught you that service motion?" I said, "Drew Brees."
Incredibly helpful advice especially re stance+coil+elbow position. It has already corrected my contact point which has resulted in more power/speed on all types of serve. THANK YOU!
Fantastic video! Getting older I found out the closer feet really helped ease tension on my lower back. At the rec level, there has been no noticeable difference in my serve, save the back pain as the match progresses.
Wonderful explanation (as always) . Many thanks for the post. Highly appreciated .
Excellent video, agree with all you say. My coach spotted a couple of these errors in my serve and correcting them has really helped.
Excellent video, I have corrected some of these on my game by listening closely to the comfort level of my body during the serve motion, like the excessive lateral feet positioning creates a kind of an uncomfortable locking feeling in the hips, same with the excessive coil not being able to come around the ball(especially on duece court). Thank you for this video!
Thanks for the explanations
Nikola, this is a great lesson! Trying to coil too much, as Federer, was causing many problems with my serve. Now I know how to improve. Thank you!
Whaa? Are you spying on me? 😁Got my cam out yesterday, was working on my serve motion and trying to replicate Federer. Didn't work out too well, the serves were weak, and I hurt my shoulder. You always put up vids with controversial titles. Most people do this to attract viewers. You however are always spot on. If you are anywhere in the vicinity of Northern Alabama, please put it on the internet because I will break off some of my SS funds, sell a few things and get at least one lesson.👍
Bingo..Federer is the cause of problem in my serve 🤔
i blame pete sampras for my aching back.
Thank you! I watched this video right before a league match and won. I had been copying Fed's serve for the longest time and was forcing it even though my serve regressed. I reverted back to a more forward stance and was bombing it in all match. Great video.
Excellent video! I have suffered from all three of these problems trying to imitate his serve; I will try making these adjustments!
I think this is a great approach for tips for a better serve. Many people think that if they just do what the GOAT does, they will have the perfect example. Pointing out his flaws makes me look at my own serve in a different way. Great video!
Excellent information. Subscribed!
I got a pause on my trophy pose which is draining power. Need to correct this. Thank you coach
Very good points. Thanks for the video!
I'm 5'5", can never generate any power when my toss is inside the court. Only when I toss it straight up on the baseline (like Fed), I get a much cleaner hit and a lot more power. I do stay in the same spot after serve as you said but I don't care much about getting forward momentum & step into the court b/c my serves pose no threat whatsoever (i.e. can't serve & volley). Your explanation & tips about continuous movement are valuable. I notice when my service motion is flowing, it feels very easy on my body but more powerful. Thanks. subscribed.
This was a really helpful video I wish it existed years ago, I used to only be able to hit slice serves.
This is a really important lesson since we, tennis nerds, tend to forget that we are not pros.
And i think, imitating the pro players, will make me a better player. In fact we may even get injured with that kind of an approach, if not well guided.
Thank you Nick.
Glass ceiling, it’s in your head.
I got a pause on my trophy pose for photographers!
😂
Where your racquet is when you toss the ball can be varied. Some pros have the arm down when they toss most have it out to the side and shoulder height. Play around with it.
This is definitely the video I needed to see😂 thank you! Excellent explanation
Good tips. Thanks!!
Like you have pointed out, it appears there are two different camps of serve techniques: the Sampras/Federer camp where you turn more showing more of your back to your opponent, and the technique where you start with your shoulders open about 45 degrees to the target line, and when you turn your shoulders are in line with the target line and your back faces the side fence. It seems like your technique is more common on the ATP tour. From other TH-cam videos, Rick Macci also seems to share your philosophy at least for the first serve. For the second serve, Macci says it's OK to turn more when hitting a kick serve.
Also why Federer and Sampras have the hardest serves to read tho. They can hit every serve from the same toss for this reason
Nicely explained coach. Can you make video on proper way to toss please. I have quite a bit of inconsistency while tossing hence serves that need to go flat sometime get slice serve or even kick serve.
Most interesting. 👍🏻
Bottom-line: it is very often (if not always) a bad idea to imitate shots from top player with very specific movements if not they do not come naturally to you: Fed serve, Johnny Mac moves, Rafa lasso forehand etc.
I can tell you that I have seen some really bad imitations of the Rafa forehand that some high school players try to copy. They hit it everywhere except inside the court. To bad tennis doesn’t award style points 🎾🎾😄
Each one has his own style. Big mistake to copy as it is. Learnt hard way. Thanks for the useful video
I agree every tennis serve is unique and is a reflection on the body type and coordination of the individual. Its better to tweak what works for you than try and copy somebody else
Wow that's a really nice detail on how to serve, and why to copy roger
OMG the video I needed!!!
This is interesting for sure. The rhythm of his serve especially nowadays is quite fast and can be difficult to copy. I tried to copy Agassi's motion when I was young...big mistake that was because the rhythm of the serve was way too fast.
Federer's serve is interesting especially when you compare now to back say 2002 to 2005 when he started to dominate. His motion 'seemed' a bit slower and looked way more effortless, which is interesting considering his serve speeds haven't changed that much.
Have also noticed this also?
What’s good enough for Roger, is way too difficult for me! Great vid. Thanks
I have the Federer serve and confirm this analysis is very good and correct. It is quite obvious that you are very good tennis specialist Nick, you have pleasant and nice voice, it is very comfortable to watch your short course, this is the best short analysis on the topic, I've ever seen or heard. Unfortunately if all the fixes will be implemented it will not that look, as Federer serve any more :), or not at least that much the same. Thanks for this video and precious advices
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Insightful. Ty
Wow. Great analysis!! Very recently, I just figured out the issue with the toss you pointed out. Once I corrected that, I had the forward momentum and the whole rhythm of the serve feels like a continuum./ Thanks a lot that`s a very good analysis and absolutely loved it.
This a great video.... Congratulations
I’ve been trying to follow Fed’s serve motion & you are correct in stating he is good at his serve, but rec player (3.5) me..I have to use your tips for modifications. Tnx!
Amazing advice.
Another brilliant video on a very important topic, Nick. Growing up, I used to mimic the versions of Sampras and Federer’s serve that I liked (which were the platform stance and full coil, j-toss, striking the ball more around 12 o’clock, and landing similar to how they land. Like someone else shared, all of these things are possible as a younger age and ability level. Similar to the other commenter, I am now 52 years old and those things are not possible at this age and time when I don’t practice or play 3-4 hours for 3-4 days a week.
So interesting, like what you shared in your video, I have had to circumvent so many areas of my serve to play recreational tennis and still be able to serve decent. I no longer use “j-toss” and reverted to a up the elevator toss, I don’t coil as much (so my toss goes more to 1 o’clock or 11 o’clock depending on the serve I am looking to use (slice, flat or kick). The 2 key issues that you mentioned were the fast start and then the pause (hitch) and the finish behind the baseline. Those 2 are the most apparent issues. I now do a very methodical slow start with my left hand staying high longer and then the acceleration phase as fast (as you explained) and since I changed my toss go right into the court after I finish with my body weight, whereas before with j-toss, I would finish behind the baseline. Understand that even with all of these deficits, at a young age I was still able to serve 115 mph. As I aged, all of the deficits became a problem and started all of my inefficiencies and double faults. Now my serve is more of what you described in the proper fundamentals of serving and are basically how you teach your students in your serve videos. I have eliminated my double faults and have a sound serve technique at 52 years old.
Don I have seen your serve and it’s very good 🙌🙌
As kids, we tried to mimic all of our heroes across all sports. I could stand for hours in front of my parents' full-length mirror trying to recreate Juan Marichal's pitching motion or Bill Russell's hook shot. Even as an adult (and a few years older than him), I tried to mimic John McEnroe's service motion. But what you say about the toss in the middle of the second paragraph is spot on. The coach at the D-III school where I teach had me do just that and the improvement was immediate.
In my 50s I could occasionally ace one of the players on the team; not very often mind you, and invariably with a sharp, shallow slice. Today I would have to blindfold them to get a ball past them. Now in my early 70s and limited to social, recreational play with a group of people near or already in retirement, I find ball movement to be a better weapon than ball speed (especially since my flat serve travels at a speed that would lead to traffic jams in a parking lot). I can still hit a kick serve and slice, and all of the east-west, north-south motion pays off. So the goal now is not to give away too much information on the toss. If my toss is "on" - that is doing the things you mentioned, then I usually have a good service day.
As you said, another great instructional video.
What a great video
Thanks
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I've imitated the Sampras, then Federer serve since I started playing tennis in the '90s. It worked for me, I think because I was a baseball pitcher focusing on that much more than tennis. It developed the mobility/strength needed in my elbow and shoulder for this far of a takeback and coil. I teach tennis now and encourage students to "pack" their elbows much closer to their body compared to how I serve. First thing I have seen mentioning this specifically, great video!
A great video with an important underlying message. We see the beauty of Federer's technique and we naturally yearn to copy it, but the thing that makes it so beautiful to watch is also what makes it impossible to transfer over to ourselves. It's Federer's technique - a product and an expression of the way his body is constructed, and it therefore lives in his body alone - no one else's.
If we want to have beautiful technique, we must do what all artists do, including Federer, and find our own 'voice'. Imitation can help us some of the way, but ultimately we have to renounce it in order to discover the unique beauty inherent to our own natural movement.
No wonder! all my service issues in one little clip. So much better advice than..."just release at eye level" Cheers mate. so good.
This is really helpful, especially if watched in combination with Patrick Mouratoglou's video about how to generate service power. It's really helpful for recreational level players. Some of the serves you did with the 'front on' stance reminded me of Bernard Tomic's serve. I've seen him play at least 3 times, including the time he beat Wawrinka in 4 sets in Sydney, 2011. A lot of the serve seemed to come from a very loose arm and it didn't look like a lot could go wrong...at least not with his serve... :)
Everybody can try to copy Roger Federer. I've seen many pathetic attempts. But the small detail is that nobody is Roger Federer. Poeple tend to forget that.
Roger once said, he didn't understand why people call him a god of tennis or similar, he was just a tennis player. While Roger's on- and off-court personality is indeed extremely impressing, he is a human player with an individual technique, which happens to look very beautiful and on top he has been very successful. One is tempted to see a causal relationship between these things, but in fact, they are vastly independent from each other. Federer has a negative h2h against Zverev, whose serve used to be very erratic. It's safe bet to say that trying to serve like Roger would not have fixed that problem and resulted in this h2h. Medvedev is a Top-5 player, future #1 in my prediction. Nobody would say his technique was pretty, but nobody would deny that his serve is a weapon either.
@@MrMSS22 I agree that they are somewhat independent (although I believe that "beautiful" and "fluid"/"kinetic chain" are very related), but the confusion maybe here is the premise that people copy Federer in order to be the most victorious version of a tennis player that they can be. People don't necessarily care about winning (esp at rec level). People who copy Federer probably care about "style" more. At least I do.
@@samsmlee If the motion looks fluid, this most likely contributes to a good serve, you are right, but take a look at Roddick’s serve, it didn’t look fluid at all and he hammered aces. “Rec level” is a broad term, it does not mean “not competitive”, it’s rather the counter part to professional. Of course, not everyone has to play tournaments, but tbh I can’t imagine having fun by trying to achieve a good looking technique and thereby ending with a devastating one :p
@@MrMSS22 Ah it sounds like you're arguing two things:
1. Use the style that feels natural.
2. Federer has flaws.
I agree with both, (#1 to a certain point, and #2 100%). If you are just trying to win today's game, then yes, you shouldn't try to change anything because consistency is key. However, not every style is inherently good. There are styles/habits that are inferior, and certain players are good _despite_ it, not _because_ of it. There are habits where even if it feels unnatural at first, once you master it (and make it fluid), you will be more effective. My premise is that fluidity is an inherent advantage in sports because physics.
Also, I completely disagree though that the beauty in his style and his success are "vastly independent". I believe that there is certainly a "casual relationship", and I think you actually agree too (from your more recent comment). If you copy blindly all of Federer's style (the good _and_ the bad), you may not become the best version of yourself, but you _will surely_ become pretty darn good in the sport necessarily _because_ you have his style and because you're fluid.
@@samsmlee Sam, yeah, Roger has flaws but that was not what I was trying to point out. I agree to a certain extent that some styles are inferior, for example playing a forehand with a continental grip is inferior to playing with an eastern or semi-western grip.
But Rogers technique and especially his service motion is not an example for that. It is not superior to the service motion of any other Top 100 player. On the contrary, the fact that he doesn't toss the ball inside the court gives him a disadvantage which he has to compensate. What makes a technique efficient is that the amount of energy that comes from your body action is transferred to the ball to a high percentage while maintaining sufficient control. Among many amateurs, it is obvious that the kinetic chain is interrupted and that the motion is inefficient, but this is not the case for any professional player. They all apply the fundamentals to ensure a close to optimal energy transfer and it does not matter whether cosmetically this looks like Roger's motion and is perceived to be beautiful or whether it looks like Medvedev's.
Obviously Roger's success and the cosmetics of his strokes are not independent for him, meaning that he probably wouldn't have become a better player if he had played his backhand the way Wawrinka does. But the features "cosmetics" and "success" are conditionally independent in a statistical sense, meaning that for a random person, ceteris paribus, the beauty of a stroke and the probability to win a match are not related causally. There might be a correlation, because nice-looking-strokes tend to be technically well executed. However, the order is that good technique will for many players lead to a nice appearance of the stroke. On the contrary, trying to make the shot look nice will not lead to good technique.
This is why, in all honesty, you are on the wrong track when you think that copying Rogers technique will make you become "pretty damn good" in the sport. This is not only because the style does not fit perfectly to your physical presuppositions, as you mentioned, but also due to the fact that focusing on those cosmetic details will prevent you from developing the fundamentals that really contribute to a good serve.
As a Federer fan,I tried to copy Federer serve for some time,but I couldn't do it. Now I know why. Thank you Nicola for the great video！
As someone who enjoys mimicking pro serves & strokes, I can confirm all of this is true lol. Only I figured it out over years rather than a 7 minute video. This video also served as the best breakdown of Federer's serve I've seen, and I've watched them all! Any chance you can do the same with other great servers, Niko? Like Sampras, Roddick? Cheers.
Another banger of a video.
Thanks
great analysis. I make all of these mistakes. all of them.
Thank you)
Hi coach would you do an analysis of Andy Roddick serve? I have never seen anyone with such an explosive motion. He said power comes from legs. But I don’t understand it. Thanks as always!
The main difference I think is Fed's elevation on the serve. Tossing in line with the baseline and not leaning in are results of him wanting to jump high (which is easiest in a vertical path), which lets him serve from the height of some of the serve bots, which lines up with his career aces numbers.
Perhaps you could help me: When I am tossing in a relatively slow movement while preparing the trophy position at the same time, my body weights to the non-dominant food. Then, in the second phase of the serve, my arm begins the raquet aceleration while my entire boby balances towards the court (and leans to it) to hit the ball an a body weight balance to the dominant food happens as a consequence. Is that the way it should go? Or should I be waiting the ball to hit already stood on my dominant food just after the toss? Thank you in advance.
It’s not just the Federer serve the Sampras serve has a crazy coil as well and he takes his elbow even further back.
Spot on. I am guilty as charged in trying to copy Roger's serve. My toss has been all over the place. Slowing my loading rhythm has helped tremendously and tossing out in front.
I have something to add. I am now a recreational player, once playing on a national level for my country. I have a similar motion to Fed having the coil and acceleration upwards and forward. This, however, as age has added up has led to back issues. I'm now 52, think I'm 26, and still trying to serve like a 26 yr old. As such I'm now, late in life, having to do adjustments to my entire service motion to reduce and hopefully eliminate back issues so I can continue to play. That coiling, explosive upward motion comes with consequences later in life. Sadly ! Lol
True
Fed had some back issues as well. He doesn't arch his back so much since late 00'
@@futarydary age is a b***h. Lol
Also, Fed is a spot server, so he doesn’t need 135 mph serves
Interesting! 👍🏻
Now I want the same analysis on... McEnroe's!! 😬
I initially had an OK serve, both arms up together similar to Berettini, Tiafoe etc. Then I convinced myself that that was wrong and started trying to do the Federer thing where he flicks his racquet back and down at the beginning of toss, and this messed my serve up completely.
Very well pointed out why for 999/1000 people trying to copy Roger's appearance of the serve will lead to developing a lot of problems. I am guilty of it as well in my teenage years. I think one should remark that even among the ATP top 100, most players' serves do not look like Roger's. Some are still serving a lot faster than him, demonstrating that his technique itself is not what makes his serve superior, it'S rather the ability to be mentally strong and serving an ace when it is crucial.
What makes his serve excellent is what made Sampras's serve excellent. Impossible to read. That parallel toss and heavy shoulder turn allow them to disguise the location until the very last second
god,tx. this really helps a lot
Wow I have these problems but never knew it was federer's serve. Guess I just naturally play like him, if only I was consistent like him too 😩
Such quality
You stay serving me humble pie brother 😅👍
I recorded myself playing today with my friends and I’ve been trying to correct my bad habits with my serve. I now see my biggest mistake. I’m coiling too far back in trophy phase. It looks cool but yea it’s not easy to hit in
i had no problems copying federers serve and ive been doing it for years with no issues... but i didnt exactly copy to the bone, i just took inspiration and made it my own... similar to what dimitrov did to his serve.
I remember back in the 80's when guys at our local courts would try and copy John McEnroe's service motion LoL 🤣 it was so funny to watch!!! they never got it right!!! Haha
😂😂 I haven’t even seen it on tour except Pierre Hughes Herbert (somewhat similar) Almost impossible to copy
@@IntuitiveTennis Yeah! they would gyrate and make all kinds of crazy contortions, then at the end of all that they would just dink the ball over! Haha of course I did my share of stupid copying of the Pros too! Back in the day!! LoL
Should I learn slice serve? I mostly hit flat and kick serve.
Sure 👉 th-cam.com/video/PXt7NbymwRw/w-d-xo.html
Federer should be immitated in a lot of ways. But he does have mechanics that take thousanda of hours of preparation and exceptional fitness and flexibility. Great vid coach!!
Nice video. You've mentioned before that the launch into the serve happens automatically if you lean into the court properly, and you don't have to consciously drive with your legs. With that in mind, how does Fed launch into the serve if he avoids leaning forward? Does he have more of an "intentional" push/leg drive?
There are other factors at play. Video coming out on that topic soon...
@@IntuitiveTennis Looking forward to it. Keep up the good work!
As a Federer fan, his tennis game you should copy is his footwork, demeanor, and maybe his bh slice. Everything else is unique to him.
His slice is tough to pull off even at high level 👉 th-cam.com/video/6ChJe07FTw0/w-d-xo.html
I agree the Serena Williams serve is the product of throwing a bucket of old rackets as far as she could. So her serve motion is a lot in part to do with the most efficient throw strange but true. She can hit a 129 Mph serve so maybe if you haven't tried a proper serve before get to throwing rackets around lol
Hi,
Regarding the rhythm section, I have the following observation. I initially was having the same problem of raising the racket too quickly initially and destroying my throw. So instead I have now separated my throw and my initial racket rise. I first throw the ball, and a millisecond later start to raise my racket.
I think you like to teach to raise both arms together (throw and racket rise). But I had to modify it because either I was slowing down my throwing arm (low toss) or speeding up my racket rise. To me they both have different speeds and are better off done separately
th-cam.com/video/uvYVAlQZXlY/w-d-xo.html
@@IntuitiveTennis stupid me! you had it all covered haha
@@sarasyed625 🙏
I model mine on the Becker serve.
Becker had a very good serve.... But he did have incorrect footwork on the serve. He landed on his right foot... That's definitely wrong ❗
@@shanelawson5072 Wow I never noticed - that's very difficult to do.
@@augustblood6810 Karel Kucera (who reached #6 in the world) did the same thing as did John Alexander (#8) ... It's not that difficult if you anchor your left leg to the ground & you rear leg comes through with your racquet arm....
But it's definitely WRONG❗😉
You NEVER see it nowadays.
In the past, my coach also told me not to jump to hit the ball, but I found so many players just jump to hit the ball, then I found that jump's so comfortable for me, LOL.
Did you watch a vid or read an article covering Federer’s left eye dominance and how that also gives him a more unique service form? It was brought up by Mouratoglu.
Actually I get problems when I follow this advice: 1) If I slow the serving arm, then I have to make a long and very fast movement to time the ball properly, which doesn't work for me; the "trophy pose" allows me to control the full range of motion better, get better timing, but also to be more deliberate with my final swing, my wrist action etc.
2) Most recreational players, me included, have a harder time controlling their serve when they throw the ball further into the court and the fact is that especially during matches at that level, people will opt for a more "baseline throw", to control their arm, body movement and serve with less fault-percentage, play it safer and be more precise with timing,
3) the initial stance, in my experience, has more to do with the specificities of each person's body mechanics (length or arms/legs, shoulder flexibility, wrist flexibility and strength, but also backswing style) and small steps during the throw can also change the stance.
Simply awesome. You degree of tennis biomechanics is astounding. I do hope that now when we seem to be approaching the end of fake news pandemic (maybe rather a wishful thinking) tennis instruction follows the same path and only those who are worth being heeded like YOU will be around. Thank you! May the force always be with you and your stringed blue light saber. A better tennis player one will become when starting to learn from Nick in 2021.
Thank you Mauricio 🙌🙌
Federer forehand and serve is very advance and not a good example to follow
Watch Roger's serve more attentively, you've missed two things that are of the most importance! First, his ball toss is always the same for any type of the serve, and the second and the most important of all, he makes a pre-step with his left foot and this changes his body position according to the tossed ball and That's how he has the possibility to hit the intended spin.
it'd be nice if you record in 60p so when yyou slow down the footage it still looks smooth :D
Federer can also elevate over 10in off the ground when he pushes off into the swing; something not many recreational players can duplicate.
His serve style motion definitely changed over the years
Federer could be one if the GOAT, but if we copy the serve, we should copy from most efficient servers. I found that tossing low and hit right away is easier to control. For that I need to copy Ivanesevic.
What is your string tension? Sounds very hard
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What about Kyrgios serve? I would love to copy his powerful serve 😀
You’ll create even more problems compared to copying Fed. Has to come naturally that type of serve.
I don't think I can improve on my serve when its good its around 125 Mph I am 5 foot 9 so pretty short for a tennis player. I think the thing that help me improve the most was getting plenty of wrist flick - so the adjustment was hitting the ball earlier to account for exaggerated wrist pronation. I think improving serve is the easiest way to improve your whole game. Serving is something you can master entirely on your own it relies on no other variables. I think Roddick's serve is easy to copy I have seen other players try its style. For me though a person's serve is completely unique to the individual you have to master every variable that works for you and your body.
Either in professional or in recreational tennis there's a good rule: if it works and and it works good, so DON'T change anything.
Actually I tried copying Sampras' serve. Federer must have copied Sampras' serve as well. The coil isn't so bad. But the toss arc is really tough to toss it and hit it properly. Federer had some good coaching as a kid.
Nick. I have a Q. Fed is the only ATP player whose knees are bent after the jump and during contact. All other players have straight legs with knees locked out. Why is it that Feds knees are bent at contact?
There’s no jump on the serve 👉 th-cam.com/video/3Tzk6IAH4VQ/w-d-xo.html. I discuss legs in an upcoming vid...
@@IntuitiveTennis ok. But my obsv is pertaining to the configuration of his knees at the pt of contact. They are bent as if he is doing a stomach crunch. All other players have straight legs. What's going on here?
@@shriramoka The upward thrust of the torso, using your abdominals and chest muscles, is a major power source on the serve, as Nikola explains in several of his videos. This is the reason for bending your legs and leaning back during the preparation phase - so you can then thrust your torso up and forward. So yes, you're right, it is a bit like doing a crunch and doing exercises to strengthen your core muscles will improve serve power.
I'm not sure Federer does bend his legs much more than anyone else at contact, but if he does it's probably just a passive and intuitive action. To me it looks like his legs are dangling like other servers. But I do think his butt sticks out a bit more than others though, and I wonder if thinking about sticking your butt out a bit around or just after contact would actually help ensuring that the abs are being used properly and add to serve power.
@@coilinnunan4058 tks for ur reply. just wondering if the L shaped legs after launch, allow for easier shoulder over shoulder action?? Bending the knee must be giving the advtg of loosening his obliques, isn't it?
@@shriramoka I'm really not an expert. However, it seems to me that just after launch, Federer's knees are not particularly bent, see th-cam.com/video/FBkFgS3e4QY/w-d-xo.html and go to 12 second in. I think that everything that happens with the legs during the acceleration phase and until slightly after contact is entirely passive and intuitive - that phase is what Nikola calls the intuitive zone.
Federer's knees are very slightly bent at contact, but I don't see much difference with Djokovic th-cam.com/video/M-GuYmAAUec/w-d-xo.html After contact, however, Federer is definitely more bent over by the time his racket reaches around his knee area than Djokovic is. That is why I referred to him sticking his butt out. I think this shows how much Federer is using his abdominals, but again I'm just a recreational player and I'm no expert.
I always land on my right foot as a righthander, is that a problem?
Not necessarily
Can you do one for djokovic's serve? I found out my serve improves so much after imitating his
I will feature Nole...
nik, did you ever play federer? or in practice?
forgot i viewed this months ago. good tips on serve position and rhythm.
And that's another reason why he is the GOAT! The god of tennis.
Everything he does on the court looks 100% effortless, but when you try to replicate it it's impossible!😂
Hope Federer is watching and can use your tips to correct his serve ;)
I think he doesn't need that hahaha
His serve doesn’t need corrections Alexander. It suits him and his game perfectly
Good stuff. Federer could hit his serve a lot harder if he bowed his hip into the court like Sampras. However, the fact that he doesn’t use his hip as much has probably contributed to his longevity.
when Federer takes the racquet back racquet head points towards the fence, not the net pole
Good clip. If you are a social player don’t copy the pros. Walk before you run.