Right, we all knew he was "right" about who Jimmy was, we had the experience of Breaking Bad to prove it. But he was wrong that he couldn't just let it go, Jimmy took care of his brother, and he was lucky to have him, his character brought out the best in Jimmy. Why couldn't he just try and support Jimmy? In a way Chuck was a far worse person then Saul.
The same vibe as Hector being right about Gus. Both Hector and Chuck are sick bitter old men who were spot on about the people they hate. However, Gus wouldn’t have gone that way if Hector didn’t kill his boyfriend first.
That too. That's a similar trait a lot of cops in the real world have, which surpasses doing "the right thing", because they just want to make arrests; be right, and win. Just like a lot of DA's/prosecutors.
You can't tell kino that. Dude's a soy boy. He gets offended when people say Skylar isn't attractive because he thinks his audience can't pull anything better because he thinks his audience looks like an emoji like him.
“Coloring outside the lines is just too attractive to him” I think that’s a perfect way to describe Jimmy. I think it’s a great representation of Saul’s rationalization of his actions. He has an extraordinary aptitude for creativity and expression, but has difficulty staying within (what he’d consider to be) societal, personal, and legal restraints, which is the plight of many creative types, no matter how successful. Unfortunately the situation becomes out of control when the lines that are being crossed are moral boundaries.
“Hey you know this person that I think is a bad person? I’m gonna sabotage their development at every chance I get so that they stay the same bad person. See? I was right, they’re a bad person.”
In the very first episode Jimmy by himself does a scam with 2 skaters and it ends up with them getting their legs broken and him owing nacho and getting involved. Jimmy was always a con man at heart. Jimmy knew the skaters were idiots and still wanted to work with them.
Yeah, despite what Jimmy doing being illegal, it wasn't immoral given the context... Kim earned Mesa Verde, Chuck and Howard got them on his side in an EXTREMELY underhanded (one could say Slippin') fashion. Mike's speech about bad cops and good criminals comes to mind.
@@alyssarichardson2544 yeah, but Saul Goodman is still a hero in this household, and it's that underhanded I'm trying to teach my kids not to do (↑Sopranos reference, this whole comment and reply thread here is Sopranos references/jokes lol)
Chuck was 100% right about Jimmy. But he was so much of a dick about it that he made it all worse. Also he should have just told Jimmy why he wasn't hired at HHM from the start. I honestly think Jimmy could have understood after a while if Chuck put all cards on the table.
Chuck did a great job of making the audience root for Jimmy. He was an essential part of the early to mid seasons and was the best antagonist for Jimmy.
And it worked. The fanbase has completely different standards when it comes to Jimmy. He's a 40 something year old man, but there's little to no personal responsibility put on him.
8:09 now this I disagree with. Yes Jimmy was always Slippin’ Jimmy but he also had some level of ability to change for the better if not steer his life in a better direction. Both Jimmy and Chuck are at fault for certain things but Chuck’s inability to love his brother and get over his jealousy brought down his and Jimmy’s downfall. Yes he was right but at the end of the day, he chose to let Jimmy become the self fulfilling prophecy he claimed. It’s one thing to point out someone’s poor choices and ridicule them, but it’s another to sit and do nothing to help steer that person in the right direction. Jimmy wouldn’t have been the most perfect and straight edge lawyer in the world, but he would’ve mostly stayed away from criminal activities. Chuck could’ve been as right as he wanted to, but that doesn’t amount to shit because at the end of the day, some of his actions influenced Jimmy to fully become Saul. Again, not ignoring Jimmy’s faults, he’s done some bad shit too obviously. But this whole notion of “oh yeah even if Chuck was good to Jimmy, Jimmy still would’ve been Saul” is I’d say a complete straw man argument. Nobody was saying Saul would be *perfect* by any means but he would’ve been far better off as a person/lawyer
This is the best way I could’ve ever described it, I’m in my 3-4 year of psychology and this is how I’ve felt throughout the entirety of the show, I believe jimmy wanted to try and be as straight as possible, he wouldn’t have taken the lawyer job if he didn’t want to (we all know Saul if he doesn’t like something he won’t do it unless he’s forced to) he tried, he wanted to make a person of himself and you can see it in the acting and the way he almost begs for chucks approval you can also see the heartbreak and decent almost every time chuck dismisses him, it’s like making a bad decision in a video game
I'm with you on this, and so would Chuck. Chuck was stoic figure with a deterministic outlook, where people (i.e jimmy) are bound by their inherent nature. He accepted Jimmy for what he was, but allowing him to enter the ABA would contravene Chuck's sanctity for law + order. To this point chuck was totally vindicated.
It's the whole nature vs nurture debate. - Maybe Jimmy could have become a great, by-the-book lawyer if he'd had Chuck's support and strict guidance from day one. - Or maybe Jimmy would never be able to help himself, and was always destined to become (at best) a shady lawyer. His brief stint at Davis and Main suggests the latter might be true to me.
I hated Chuck going into the show on first watch, as I thought about I started to understand Chuck. As a man who sees family as everything I think it is disgusting to treat your brother the way he did, but still knowing Jimmy, he'd be paranoid. but hatred and jealously is the hidden evil within chuck, that connects him Jimmy.
Chuck gives Jimmy a lot of support. He doesn't want him working for his company like you wouldn't want your addict brother working on your job. Jimmy loved Chuck, but he wasn't above destroying Chucks' life. What Jimmy did went so against the brotherhood-code that I completely understood Chuck giving up on the relationship.
There is a reason why people sympathize with Howard’s death more than Chuck’s death albeit Howard had no mental illness. Because those legitimate chances that Jimmy wasted (Davis and Main and HHM) were all being provided by Howard. Howard saw Jimmy’s potential and felt bad that he was Chuck’s puppet in sabotaging Jimmy’s career so he tried to make things right. It was after Jimmy turned full evil and harassed him that Howard was like “Yep, Chuck’s right.” Chuck, on the other hand, didn’t give Jimmy any chance when Jimmy wasn’t that evil and had a potential to be good (Jimmy was straight and narrow for years during that time). That’s why while Chuck wasn’t wrong about his brother, his actions went all the wrong way.
In the very first episode Jimmy by himself does a scam with 2 skaters and it ends up with them getting their legs broken and him owing nacho and getting involved. Jimmy was always a con man at heart. Jimmy knew the skaters were idiots and still wanted to work with them.
@@alexanderguerrero347you do know the first episode takes place after a lot of the stuff that led jimmy astray happened, right? A lot of what people talk about are events shown in flashbacks, moments where jimmy genuinely wanted to improve but was kicked down despite it.
What? Chuck got him out of jail, gave him a job, and gave him advice in his private practice…and are we forgetting that Jimmy is a grown ass man, not a baby?
Chuck was right and wrong. He kind help of made Jimmy become a self-fulfilling prophecy, with his paranoia and fear, feed the worst of Chuck, avoiding seeing the moments that Jimmy tried to improve, and thinking that Chuck's way of doing things was the only way that was correct, not seeing other possibilities.
In the very first episode Jimmy by himself does a scam with 2 skaters and it ends up with them getting their legs broken and him owing nacho and getting involved. Jimmy was always a con man at heart. Jimmy knew the skaters were idiots and still wanted to work with them.
I mean, imagine sacrificing so much for your parents in order to receive some acceptance from them, only to see that they favor the child that was stealing from them, literally even saying his name as they're final words.
The Davis & Main arc pretty much settles that Chuck was right. Despite having a great opportunity to develop his career at a major firm, he threw it away due to having one of his ideas denied. Jimmy was just searching for a excuse to go back to his old ways imo
Wouldnt be enough for chuck still, but he is right. Is pride an ego possibly a factor in Chuck being unable to honestly and in good faith assist his brother? Thats what im thinking
@@WhyTho525oh please! You acted like it was poisoning your gfs kid level of betrayal. He simply didn’t want his conman brother at his firm, which was the right move considering his behavior at D&M..the only thing you can say is that Chuck was a weasel instead of being direct. But I’d that enough to justify Jimmys shitty behavior? You Saul apologists got conned by the writers
@@JoeMama-dt4jg Yeah he simply didn't want him at the firm. Behind his back. For over a year. While Jimmy saw to his every need. Including financial needs. While Jimmy slept in a closet. And Chuck lived in a mansion. Then pretended he was doing it all out of love for his brother when he hated his guts. Then went behind his back to try and sabotage his relationship with Kim. Then laughed at Jimmy for being late to work at D&M because he stayed overnight to make sure Chuck didn't fucking die. Then played victim when Jimmy decided to no longer stay overnight to make sure Chuck didn't fucking die. Just a bit weaselly that's all. A little chicanery, if you will.
But the thing is, Jimmy actually wanted to get hired at HHM meanwhile he didn’t want Davis and Main, working for the with Chuck is everything Jimmy wanted. You see how well Jimmy and Chuck got along together in the first part of the sandpiper case
@@CBMX_GAMING It was okay in small batches with Mikes story line and I enjoyed the Mike stuff but it kinda got out of hand. Especially when Mike, a guy who throughout the show was someone who never missed a beat, suddenly let Ziegler get out, and let Lalo get to Fring.
I started watching because of the intrigue of Saul and the court stuff but I stayed because of the converging storylines between the cartels and the lawyers. To each their own I guess🤷♂️
Season 4 was the best season and it had two chuck flash backs, they just didn't know where to take the characters of Saul, Mike, and Gus after they pretty much become the same characters that they are in Breaking Bad
that was put there to be an origin story for breaking bad, as some audience viewers might get bored with the legal drama. I was bored with none of it. I like the converging storylines as well.
What people forget is that Jimmy's whole motivation for becoming a lawyer was Chuck. So ofc hed revert to his old ways in David & Maines with the death of his best friend and do what he knew he could do. If everyone tells you, that you are Slipping Jimmy and worse if your best friend and your brother both tell u that then its understandable that you would believe it
Kim is definitely bad LIKE Jimmy, but she’s demonstrably better due to the fact that she woke up, left the arrangement, and eventually turned herself in. Morally compromised? Sure. As bad as Jimmy? No way. I would say much of her path is due to Jimmy, but of course she bears responsibility for her own part in their unethical hijinks.
Well...I mean yeah, Kim 100% could have said no if she wanted to at pretty much any point, its just that she didnt want to. Thing is, though (probably due to not wanting to be like her mother), she was REALLY good at supressing those impulses, and it was Jimmy that let her be the slightly shady and maybe a little self-destructive person she really is. Without Jimmy, and Kim's new mexico life would have been exactly like her life in florida - safe, boring, and completely empty.
chuck loved jimmy, he was jealous of jimmy but that doesnt make him wrong imagine ur bother who was running scams and pooped on children through a car's sunroof begs you (a respected lawyer) to save him, you do it , years later that same brother tells you he graduated an online course from american samoa university and wants to work at your respected firm, what would you do? people saying chuck hurt jimmy are wrong, in fact chuck saved jimmy from a disaster cause that chicago sunroof event could have landed him a good amount of years in an american prison (which wouldnt have improved jimmy) chuck had every reason to not want jimmy to be a lawyer, he just respected the law too much in the final episode when we see chuck again, he talks to jimmy about his cases, and jimmy starts insulting and humiliating his clients, sounding almost disappointed that he doesnt work high profile cases, and you can see how much chuck cares about those cases even though they are little, and that is the difference between them, jimmy wanted to cut corners and always showed it to chuck, he always wanted glory and not actually to respect and uphold the law, if jimmy had actually shown growth i am pretty sure chuck would have supported him but jimmy was doing his slipping stuff and chuck always figured it out (in ep1 when the kids get hurt chuck finds a medical bill, in the ep hero chuck realizes jimmy orchestrated the whole event to get more recognition) chuck was never wrong or even a bad person by any means, baiting his bro to admit that he changed the numbers isnt evil because his brother did change the numbers to hurt chuck.
Kim is what proves that people can change--because of Kim, Jimmy owned up to what he did and became himself again...James Morgan McGill. When given the proper motivation and guidance, James kept on the good road because he knew he had someone to do it for. Jimmy, the whole time Chuck was sick--shopped for him, went to him for advice--ie he was there for his brother when he was at his lowest because Chuck was there for him and wanted to do right by him. Chuck betrayed that notion by stabbing him in the back when it came to working at HHM. Chuck IS partly responsible because of his egotism and not willing to give Jimmy a chance. Jimmy wanted to work with his brother and be a family. He was doing that. But Chuck ruined it and the only reason Jimmy didn't stay on the road at the rival outfit to HHM was because he no support, no one to do it for. He wasn't working directly with Kim or Chuck there...he was solo. So with no anchor, Jimmy drifts into his old habits.
Huge assumptions with poor evidence. Chuck's attitude and actions towards Jimmy became self fulfilling prophecy. He's an older brother and as someone who is supposedly more mature he bears more responsibility. But he wasn't mature, he was just as flawed as Jimmy and he unwittingly nudged him in the wrong direction. Just because he didn't mean to doesn't absolve him of responsibility.
Another original, top-tier video as always. I completely agree with everything you said, and it's funny that people like to praise the show for having complex, nuanced writing and yet constantly keep simplying things by saying "hur dur it's all Chuck's fault, Jimmy did nothing wrong, he was a poor victim that only went bad when he wasn't handed a prestigious law-firm job on a silver platter because of nepotism." Acting like Jimmy wasn't to blame for his problems is completely missing the deeper psychological point of the series.
Does chuck really think jimmy can't change the easy awnser is yes but chuck always allowed jimmy to change if he wasnt a lawyer he was so proud of jimmy hw wrote a letter for him when he was in the mail room. Chuck also said prison would help jimmy change. Chuck also also was ok giving jimmy no jail time if he just lost his ability to be a lawyer. Chucks real motivation is a jelousy that jimmy is morw loved than him. Somthing that was confirmed by micheal mckean the actor for chuck. Chuck was only right because how he treated his brother. The momment jimmy became saul was with kristy eposito because what happenws is a part of him died its that he wants somebody to help him change but he is being told nobody forgets nobody forgives he was never going tk be given a chance to change. Somthing thats in the featurete for season 4 episode 10. Jimmy always was able to change its not even inconsistent. He moved from illonois to new mexico said good bye to his old freind got a job in the mail room studied for the bar exam. The bar exam isnt online and takes cheating seriously you have to go some where and jimmy would have tk empty his pockets and get a quiz specifically for him so the only way to pass is to genuinly be good. Jimmy did all of this not just because he had no choice he did it because he wanted tk change. Jimmy is willing tk change if he has somebkdy to fight for. He puts others above himself. Peter gould stated in a interview with the hollywood reporter jimmy convinced lalo to send kim becauee jimmy was expecting to give up his life to give kim a chance to run to the police. His words not mine look it up. Chucks not exactly right. He is walt and jimmys worst traits combined. A narsasist who lies to himself to justify his actions. Vince stated this in the insiders podcast for season 4 episode 10 that he would only help jimmy if hw felt superior. Chuck wanted to beleive jimmy cant change and is bellow him because it comes from a place of low seld esteam and the fact he is less loved by not just his mom but his own wife. Chuck very clearly thinks jimmy can change when he jsnt a lawyer and its not because he js a menace its because he doesnt consider the work jimmy putd into anythibg. Chuck was never q good guy removing jimmy he stole a client from kim to hurt jimmy because it was in the law. He was ok sinking an entire firm just because howard for valid reasons was concerned about chuck and rather than waiting tk get better he sues howard. The thing is his ehs is from a lack ofbsocial respobsibility and skills and its a need to be loved secretly and when he isbt loved he wants to be sheltered. So it never was go8ng to get better unless he let go of his narcasistic behavior. In essense jimmy is the one who changed but lived to be known as saul Chuck lived to be known as a great lawyer but never changed.. Also jimmy did change peter gould stated this read the full thing "I don’t think you can say that he’s redeemed himself, because how do you do that when you’ve been part of murder? There’s no taking that back without a time machine. But he’s gotten a piece of his true self back and I don’t think he’s ever going to make the same mistakes again. And I don’t think she is either." - the creator od saul goodman and thw lead writer of bcs. So chuck is kind of right and wrong. He convinced jimmy into beleiving he would never chsnged meaning for a time he was right. But then when jimmy finally took responsibility he proved chuck wrong. The exit sign is interpeted to imply chuck js proud of jimmy. The thing is chuck has a pattern whrre he blames others and never himself. His ehs was an excuse to not talk to his wife outside or on the phone and his jimmy will never change isnt any different there is some valid reasoning but chuck dismissed the fact jimmy restarted his life and spent a decade to become a lawyer with a full time job thats the signs of somebody who is hard working it takes 7 years to become a lawyer jimmy had to do so while doing full time. He takes short cuts and in season 1 wasnt perfect but was capable of chsnging. Chuck doesnt want to helo jimmu learn to help himself bdcause if he would have norhing that jimmy doesnt already have and more. Jimmy has done worse things thsn chuck and both are horrendus at self responsibility but jimmy has it in him to take responsibility and chuck doesnt and its why jimmy actually does change again "I don’t think he’s ever going to make the same mistakes again. And I don’t think she is either." -peter gould When ever people say chuck i cringe because chuck is using his jimmy csnt chsnge mantra as a self justificstion for his actions.
You missed the quote Chuck says about Jimmy about their father’s funeral. “No one cried harder than jimmy.” Jimmy truly loved his father, but this was also a clue as chucks suspicion of Jimmy’s guilt. Jimmy realized he aided in ruining his fathers life, and so he dedicated his later years grifting other wolfs. From what we have seen he hasn’t really screwed an innocent person with Marco, only people who are also scammers themselves.
I'd have to disagree. The show clearly displays had Jimmy been given a second chance, he'd definitely redeem himself. Chucks jealousy and prejudice against his little brother not only made Saul stay bad, but become worse.
Counterpoint: During the first season of the show in which Jimmy was fully enjoying his second chance that Chuck gave him, he pulled the billboard scam and the skating brothers scam. This shows that, even with Chuck's support, Jimmy would still have found ways to "color outside the lines" as Kino put it.
jimmy's second chnance was leaving howard alone but instead he made his life hell, much like he did with chuck. he did not learn until he was cornered by a prison sentence lol. also, highly disagree chuck made him stay bad or become worse. put that on kim who actively enabled him
@@3einEye um. scamming people is still immoral. and he did that plenty before chuck's betrayal. deflecting blame onto other people for becoming worse, as a grown adult, is just making excuses for your own behavior. yea saul does worse things afterwards but that's on him for having too big of an ego to admit fault and relinquish control and power over certain situations
I get your points Kino but to me I would’ve respected Chuck a lot more if he were just straight up honest about his hatred for Jimmy. When he first finds out Jimmy passed the bar and then feigns pride for him is when my estimation of Charles McGill as a man just fuckin plummeted.
Chuck was right about Jimmy because he created a self-fulfilling prophecy by sabotaging him and pushing him away. Despite the fact Jimmy had worked hard to go straight and earn his degree while being his brother's caretaker and working full time.
I think not entirely cause Jimmy always had hmm inclinations to breaking the rules, but propably sels-fulfilling prophecy only strengthen his problem and by putting a little more trust in and supporting Jimmy he migth have grown up to totally different person, that’s what a theory says.
I think a vital moment for this argument is when Chuck questioned how Jimmy got all the clients for Davis & Mane. At first, I literally groaned when Chuck was the only one at that meeting, questioning Jimmy's integrity, but he was right. Jimmy was soliciting the elderly and it could've damaged the reputation of both HHM and D&M. Though they probably could've avoided one little thing, it definitely shows that Jimmy almost can't help himself and that behavior could manifest into something worse (like the commercial he did for D&M without their consent). Chuck wasn't wrong to be concerned about his brother, who has a genuine knack for scamming people, but there is definitely a case for the "self fulfilling prophecy" argument because Jimmy was genuinely trying while Chuck never believed he could change and it definitely hurt Jimmy finding out he never had his brothers trust. I think if Chuck continued to help Jimmy along and fully supported him, it's possible Jimmy could've avoided sliding back into his old ways, but we'll never know and I think that's the point... it's good writing.
Chuck is unironically the antihero of BCS. Vince truly is a genius for writing such a complex character misunderstood by 95% of the fanbase. Chuck worships the law for no other reason than his love for it, a selfless motive. To Jimmy the law is nothing more than a means to an end for money, fame and most importantly, Chuck's respect, a selfish motive. Chuck sees this, knows this, and doesn't respect Jimmy as a lawyer for it, why would he? Chuck toiled away for decades of his life buiding a firm for no other reason than his love and respect for the law, then in comes Jimmy, who, in Chuck's view, spits on the law and his life's work by unethically cutting corners and doing things under the table, which is also why Jimmy is such an effective lawyer. "Chuck should've just given Jimmy a chance, if he did he wouldn't have turned into Saul!" There are two moments shown in BCS where Chuck is given the choice to give Jimmy a chance to work at HHM. The first time is shortly after Jimmy passed the bar exam on his third attempt. Obviously, Chuck has no obligations to hire Jimmy if he doesn't want to. That's not sabotage, though it would be a different story if Chuck actively messed up Jimmy's cases by making him lose clients (something that Jimmy literally does to Chuck), but simply refusing to hire him is something Chuck is 100% within his rights to do as the majority shareholder of HHM. Chuck is also once again 100% within his rights to not want to hire a novice who learned everything through an online school, which is a fair enough reason for the time period (2003-2004). "But Jimmy is his brother, Chuck should help him!" So nepotism is fine now because it's about Jimmy? Chuck is quite literally the last person on Earth who would indulge nepotism. Chuck only hires based on merits and prospect, and Jimmy at this point has neither. Then there's the second time Chuck has a chance to hire Jimmy at HHM, the Sandpiper lawsuit. Something people love to forget by that point in the series is that Chuck has already witnessed slipping Jimmy with a law degree twice. First is when he sees the medical bill for the broken legs of the two skaters. Obviously, when Chuck sees this, he assumes that Jimmy got people to do a slip and fall but it went wrong and actually got people hurt in the process, which also happens to vindicate Chuck's "Slipping Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machine gun" statement, and that's not even factoring in the fact Chuck doesn't know Tuco was the cause of the broken legs. The second slipping Jimmy incident is the billboard stunt. Jimmy tries to hide it, but Chuck still finds out about it, and in the process gets tased and taken to the hospital, obviously and rightfully so he blames Jimmy for that. Jimmy tried to cut corners with a cheap stunt for notoriety and in the process of covering his tracks, got Chuck hurt. Based on those two incident, Chuck obviously doesn't have a positive view on Jimmy's "love for the law", a quality Chuck values above all else in a lawyer and that Jimmy still sorely lacks even after practicing law for years by this point. So it makes perfect sense with this in mind that Chuck still doesn't want Jimmy to work at HHM. One last point to touch on is the notion that Jimmy can never change, which is also absolutely true. Slipping Jimmy will always be a part of him, and Jimmy can only ever hope to contain it, never to fully get rid of it. All it takes is one bad day and slipping Jimmy will emerge. Even if Jimmy was given a chance and respect by Chuck, he would eventually get bored and go back to his slipping ways, which is shown multiple times throughout the show. First with Davis & Main, which was Jimmy's golden ticket to get Chuck to eat his words through pure hard work and devotion to the law without Chuck's prejudices getting directly in his way. Of course, Jimmy proves Chuck right and throws this opportunity away on the first occasion he gets because he does a commercial under the table, something that gets himself and Kim punished. His answer to this is, of course, to go right back to slipping Jimmy in order to get himself fired. This is then shown once again when Jimmy had a promising future in elder law, another chance to make Chuck eat his words and earn his respect through honest work but of course Jimmy decides to throw that away again so he can go slipping Jimmy mode to mess Chuck's Mesa Verde case on Kim's behalf. Of course this ends with Chicanery and Jimmy getting suspended for a year. This is then shown for the final time during the Gene era. Obviously, Jimmy as Gene doesn't have the most exciting daily life, but that's a price to pay for everything he's done as Saul. He could've lived a quiet and peaceful life as Gene, and yet at the first opportunity to do so, he throws that away so slipping Jimmy can emerge once again, proving Chuck right for the last time. Also even during Jimmy's trial, he still hasn't changed one bit, the sole reason why he comes clean is because he wants Kim's respect (bit of a theme there), had she not been there he would not have come clean and he would have taken the 7 years plea deal. It's pretty ironic that the only thing Jimmy would've needed to earn Chuck's respect is to become a lawyer for the sake of the law and what it stands for, not for the sake of Chuck's respect. This is a fundamental misunderstanding between the two brothers, which a heart-to-heart between the two might've been able to uncover, but of course as was shown in the last scene between the two of them in the last episode, that never came to pass.
Congrats on understanding the show better than 95% of the fanbase. This video would've made a much stronger case if it touched on all the points of your comment
Jimmy wasn’t 100% bad. He was too wishy-washy, and lazy, but wanted to be good. His brother was too Inflexible regarding his understanding of human nature, and that was his own weakness. The two characters had a weird symbiotic relationship that was extremely unhealthy, and neither were completely honest with each other at any time.
8:09 You're strawmanning here. No one genuinely believes Jimmy would become a lawer like Howard. People argue that if he had his brother's support, he likely wouldn't have stooped to the lows we see in season 6, and Breaking Bad.
Haven’t finished the video yet but, finally someone who gets it… Chuck is the best antagonist in the Breaking Bad universe after Gus (specifically in Breaking Bad) and I’m tired of pretending like Lalo is even in the same league.
One of my favourite moments in the series is in Plan And Execution, when Jimmy and Kim lure Howard into suspecting corruption which results in his own boardroom freakout, made worse by drugs they slipped into his system to make him look like he was tweaking. Chuck's portrait hangs on the wall in the background, grinning the whole time as if to say "I told you so."
I always say, if you ever find yourself hating a character so much, not the actor themselves, the actual character… the writers and actors did their job. If it draws out any kind of response, either you love them or hate them, they successfully and effectively portrayed the character exactly as he or she was meant to come across
I think you're crazy if you think Chuck's condescension towards Jimmy had no part in his development. Chuck's condescension, even if he was right, is a terrible way to go about trying to help someone. Jimmy looked up to Chuck and even when he tried to do the right thing Chuck would constantly tell him that he couldn't. You live in a fantasy world if you think that wouldn't damage someone and make them act out, it's a very common thing. I think Kim's compassion helped Jimmy more than anything in undoing the damage Chuck inflicted, and she's the reason he was ultimately able to come to terms with himself. Just think about a time where you were in an argument with someone and they were treating you like shit, calling you terrible names, etc. did you just openly admit you were wrong to that person? Probably not. Most people wouldn't. It's very uncommon that you can change someone's mind with anger and hatred the way Chuck constantly did, and while I'm not saying Chuck was totally at fault necessarily, he absolutely was not helping and only making things worse. Just because he was 'right' doesn't mean how he treated Jimmy was right.
eh idk, i think your point is a little reductionistic yes, chuck is deeply flawed, yes, there is a chance that jimmy would have still been a con man without his influence BUT thinking that jimmy would have been this way with or without chuck reduces his influence greatly having howard take the fall for the HHM scenario was one out of many extremely shitty things that chuck did chuck was so convinced of his perspective of jimmy that he couldnt let anything else happen jimmy went on the bad choice road himself but to me it feels like chuck would always make sure that hed stay on it
He intentionally said things out of context to make Chuck look better than he is. He omitted the fact about the reason Jimmy had to take shortcut, the reason Jimmy switched the numbers and Chuck’s regret.
@@pencil6965 While Jimmy switching the numbers weren’t that justified, Chuck intentionally stealing the client from Kim just to spite Jimmy wasn’t justified either because Kim earned that client. Chuck just used his influence as a big company to bully Kim. Just because Chuck is an enemy of a bad guy like Jimmy, doesn’t automatically make Chuck a good guy.
@@nont18411 1. no one is saying chuck is a good guy. he is flawed and human like everyone else in the show. he makes mistakes. he lets his anger get the best of him. he is irritating sometimes. but the show humanizes and explains his rationale very well. lots of people just don't want to empathize because the "fuck chuck" train is so popular and easy to jump on 2. kim did not own mesa verde. yes, it sucked that she lost them as a client, but she was no doubt skilled and talented enough to win more clients in the future. chuck did not bully her or even tarnish her name whatsoever. he simply pitched his company's strengths in a very professional business meeting. there was nothing unethical or immoral about this at all. companies and practices do this all the time. this does not excuse forgery and bribery over something this petty. at all. regardless of what you think chuck's true motivations were. 3. jimmy took it upon myself (not even at kim's request) to ACTUALLY break the law and do a bunch of fucked up things because he felt it was a personal attack against him. he says it was for kim, but it was really because of his ego and entitlement. kim winds up not even enjoying that client anyway and quitting lol so it was kind of a waste. 4. just because chuck is painted as a pompous and arrogant guy who is opposed to the protagonist of the show doesn't make him a villain. nor a bad guy.
In the end Jimmy proved Chuck wrong. Chuck believed jimmy wouldn’t change, but Jimmy sacrificed his entire life to protect Kim. If Chuck was truly right Jimmy would’ve taken the 7 year deal and have Kim face serious ramifications for Howard’s demise.
Jimmy slips into his old ways because he's struggling to get by. He's struggling to get by because Chuck wouldn't let him into HHM because doing so would violate Chuck's ego. All the crap Chuck says about him being afraid of Jimmy having that kind of authority or it being nepotism is just Chuck coping. It's his own pride. Jimmy worked hard and put himself through law school on a mail room salary. He earned a chance to practice at HHM. If Chuck hadn't stood in his way, there's a very solid chance that Jimmy actually would have left his con man ways behind permanently. This is the entire tragedy of the show. People who don't understand that Jimmy became a criminal because Chuck held him back due to pride are fooling themselves.
10:00 I think some very important context is needed here. Chuck was born in 1944, meaning he was 15-16 years older than Jimmy. He graduated from high school *very* early (canonically 14 or 15, I believe) and went off to UPenn & Georgetown. Presumably, he finished undergrad at 19 and got his JD at 22. He returned from either law school or clerking as a young adult (probably fresh out of law school) to audit the store. He would’ve been 22-24, meaning Jimmy was ~6-9 years old at the time the store closed. I don’t care how slippery someone is, literally no 7 year old can pull of a grand heist of or anything in the neighborhood of $14,000. I know he said “ever since he was 9,” but I wonder if a) Chuck came back during the summer, and Jimmy turned 9 around when their father died, or b) Chuck genuinely does not know exactly how old Jimmy is. The fact that Chuck tried to pin their father’s death on a child who was likely 7 years old (8 at the oldest really, since Jimmy was born in November) is incredibly messed up. I would NOT be shocked if Chuck verbally berated Jimmy over this at some point. I mean, come on. It’s Chuck.
Better Call Saul was good but I feel the ending was complete fan service (it was bullshit) they always end these type of shows with the characters being redeemed. it just doesn't happen that way.
You are truly a man of great taste for having this take which we share since i feel the exact same though the only thing i just wish her didn’t go out being the crazy looking one, but losing his cool, and okay man i don’t really fully get your Lalo hate like sure you don’t have to think he’s amazing, or that he is written really well, which okay hum surbiveing so much, jumping like Mario, and being fine, but dude don’t deny you can’t tell me ohhh no he wasn’t intimidating, and chilling when he wasn’t being a action star lol because i will still agree that’s wacky i still don’t think that has much to do with his character though, like his best scenes are him threatening Jimmy, and Kim, and him talking with nacho, but i guess at least you didn’t have any dislike for nacho because he’s honestly a high rated character that i think every fan loves
I think your analysis is great-- particularly the part of whether Jimmy was actually stealing from his dad's store. But there is an important fact you're missing: HHM's malpractice insurance. While Jimmy sought to recoup some of the malpractice insurance payments he made at the insurance company's office, he was told that he would not be getting any refunds, and that his future premiums after he is readmitted to the bar would be going up because of his arrest and disbarred for a year. But then JImmy is seemingly crying, but you can tell that he's faking it. The reason that he is crying is to appear vulnerable to the insurance company so that he can screw Chuck over. In an act of vindictiveness Jimmy tells the insurer about Chuck's mistake concerning Mesa Verde's case and about Chuck's mental condition and irratic behavior, particularly at Jimmy's disbarment hearing using the hearing transcripts as proof. As a result, the insurance company threatens to increase HHM's premiums substantially unless Chuck retires or his consistently supervised. This forces Howard to put pressure on Chuck to retire. With nothing left in his life, no wife, no career, and a seemingly irreconcilably broken relationship with his brother, Chuck essentially gives up on life, telling Jimmy that Jimmy never really met that much to him. We next see Chuck in a rocking chair, near a coffee table with a stack of newspapers and a lit lantern on it. He's supposedly sleeping, but then it looks like he's waking up and he's peeking at the table. At first he accidentally kicks the table due to the rocking. But then Chuck notices the lantern jumbling so he kicks it some more, and by the fourth kick, it becomes more emphatic and not just deliberate until the lantern tips over and the house burns down.
Purekino with an opinion, I can handle just fine. But Purekino with a TH-cam channel is like a chimp with a machine gun! Just wanted to say it. I actually agree, for the most part.
I think Chuck's mistake was to believe that Jimmy would never change. In his last convo, he tells Jimmy to stop apologizing, but not to accept responsibility for his actions and tell people the truth. Just keep lying and stop feeling bad about it.
As someone whose family worked against his success, this show really hit home and dredged up feelings. In S1 Jimmy doesn't do anything that morally wrong, if ethically questionable. The Kettleman scam was just to get them as clients, he didn't want their stolen money. Look at Jimmy's path - passes the bar, rejected from HHM, is told by Chuck ( supposedly from Howard) to not use his name. The war with Howard makes sense. Then the Sandpiper case was legit. I don't think he was trying to get Chuck to do his work out of laziness, even if he did want to partner with him. Chuck in late S1 should have been mentoring Jimmy and steering him away from his "eccentric" behaviors, not sabotaging him. It's only after discovering Chuck's betrayal that he starts doing unquestionably immoral and unethical things.
Chuck might have been harsh on Jimmy but there was good reason for Chuck to be this way. Chuck's weakness was allowing him to become obsessed with exposing Jimmy, and when that failed it drove Chuck insane. Chuck did go crazy, but Jimmy made him this way. You could argue Chuck could've handled it better, but Jimmy created a monster out of his brother. For all Chuck's fault's he did try to give Jimmy advice, and help but Jimmy abused his chances, and kept taking advantage of people, and the circumstances he faced. So yes, Chuck was right.
Fragile people have a greater need to control the people around themselves. Chuck is the most fragile and clings tightest to his abstract notion of the law. It is his tragic flaw. It is doubly tragic the harm & perverse incentive it placed on Jimmy, who as a stereotypical younger brother aimed to please while proving himself. Jimmy's adaptability was turned bad through Chuck's ultimate rejection.
lol same. i didn't like him but i understood his concerns right away. i also hated jimmy's scams more than i disliked chuck. i thought chucks feelings were valid, he just let his jealousy and hatred consume him, that was his major flaw. it's all really tragic actually
Chuck was wrong for being Right about Jimmy Chuck led Jimmy to become Saul Goodman. Yea Jimmy makes his own choices but Jimmy always sought for Chuck's approval. It's all he ever wanted and when he genuinely tried to change for the better, Chuck impeded his growth every step of the way.
Chuck loved Jimmy like a brother-in-law.
Dude😂😂😂
Whatever happened there
Hahaha 🤣
The sopranos reference
I know chuck's bottom line was impacted if that's what you're referring to
Chuck took every action possible to prove he was right about Jimmy. All he cared about was being right.
Right, we all knew he was "right" about who Jimmy was, we had the experience of Breaking Bad to prove it. But he was wrong that he couldn't just let it go, Jimmy took care of his brother, and he was lucky to have him, his character brought out the best in Jimmy. Why couldn't he just try and support Jimmy? In a way Chuck was a far worse person then Saul.
The same vibe as Hector being right about Gus.
Both Hector and Chuck are sick bitter old men who were spot on about the people they hate.
However, Gus wouldn’t have gone that way if Hector didn’t kill his boyfriend first.
That too. That's a similar trait a lot of cops in the real world have, which surpasses doing "the right thing", because they just want to make arrests; be right, and win. Just like a lot of DA's/prosecutors.
You can't tell kino that. Dude's a soy boy. He gets offended when people say Skylar isn't attractive because he thinks his audience can't pull anything better because he thinks his audience looks like an emoji like him.
i mean..... his documents were forged
and it's a show of extremes.
I wonder if Saul is making grilled cheese off the radiator
20 fucking years!
Wonder how he pleasures himself, without a woman...
I hear he knows all the Jackie Gleason.
@@houkhohs8794 Not a peep!
i compromised @@houkhohs8794
“Coloring outside the lines is just too attractive to him” I think that’s a perfect way to describe Jimmy. I think it’s a great representation of Saul’s rationalization of his actions. He has an extraordinary aptitude for creativity and expression, but has difficulty staying within (what he’d consider to be) societal, personal, and legal restraints, which is the plight of many creative types, no matter how successful. Unfortunately the situation becomes out of control when the lines that are being crossed are moral boundaries.
“Hey you know this person that I think is a bad person? I’m gonna sabotage their development at every chance I get so that they stay the same bad person. See? I was right, they’re a bad person.”
Especially as an older brother it makes it more egregious
i am going to make sure he absolutely despises me but have howard take the fall!
In the very first episode Jimmy by himself does a scam with 2 skaters and it ends up with them getting their legs broken and him owing nacho and getting involved. Jimmy was always a con man at heart. Jimmy knew the skaters were idiots and still wanted to work with them.
except chuck doesnt sabotage his life. jimmy sabotages himself
@@pencil6965 Sure, after Chuck sabotaged his life.
He helped Kim with Mesa Verde is what he did. He was a brave american lawyer and in this house Saul Goodman is a hero, end of story.
I ATE DA CHUCK
*Angry foreigner diss spit*
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That was my next comment!
Yeah, despite what Jimmy doing being illegal, it wasn't immoral given the context... Kim earned Mesa Verde, Chuck and Howard got them on his side in an EXTREMELY underhanded (one could say Slippin') fashion. Mike's speech about bad cops and good criminals comes to mind.
@@alyssarichardson2544 yeah, but Saul Goodman is still a hero in this household, and it's that underhanded I'm trying to teach my kids not to do (↑Sopranos reference, this whole comment and reply thread here is Sopranos references/jokes lol)
"After he serves a kid some chocolate ice cream" BRUH
You think this is bad?! This... this CHICANERY?!
@@nero48 , NOT JIMMY!!! COULDN'T BE PRECIOUS JIMMY!!!
Chuck was 100% right about Jimmy. But he was so much of a dick about it that he made it all worse. Also he should have just told Jimmy why he wasn't hired at HHM from the start. I honestly think Jimmy could have understood after a while if Chuck put all cards on the table.
Chuck did a great job of making the audience root for Jimmy. He was an essential part of the early to mid seasons and was the best antagonist for Jimmy.
the only thing i rooted jimmy for was his demise. also chuck was a saint.
And it worked. The fanbase has completely different standards when it comes to Jimmy. He's a 40 something year old man, but there's little to no personal responsibility put on him.
@@tobithetabby6376Exactly. Everyone hates chuck and praises jimmy despite his wrongdoings. Chicanery.
8:09 now this I disagree with. Yes Jimmy was always Slippin’ Jimmy but he also had some level of ability to change for the better if not steer his life in a better direction. Both Jimmy and Chuck are at fault for certain things but Chuck’s inability to love his brother and get over his jealousy brought down his and Jimmy’s downfall. Yes he was right but at the end of the day, he chose to let Jimmy become the self fulfilling prophecy he claimed. It’s one thing to point out someone’s poor choices and ridicule them, but it’s another to sit and do nothing to help steer that person in the right direction. Jimmy wouldn’t have been the most perfect and straight edge lawyer in the world, but he would’ve mostly stayed away from criminal activities. Chuck could’ve been as right as he wanted to, but that doesn’t amount to shit because at the end of the day, some of his actions influenced Jimmy to fully become Saul. Again, not ignoring Jimmy’s faults, he’s done some bad shit too obviously. But this whole notion of “oh yeah even if Chuck was good to Jimmy, Jimmy still would’ve been Saul” is I’d say a complete straw man argument. Nobody was saying Saul would be *perfect* by any means but he would’ve been far better off as a person/lawyer
To say someone is who they are destroys any hope of rehabilitation.
This is the best way I could’ve ever described it, I’m in my 3-4 year of psychology and this is how I’ve felt throughout the entirety of the show, I believe jimmy wanted to try and be as straight as possible, he wouldn’t have taken the lawyer job if he didn’t want to (we all know Saul if he doesn’t like something he won’t do it unless he’s forced to) he tried, he wanted to make a person of himself and you can see it in the acting and the way he almost begs for chucks approval you can also see the heartbreak and decent almost every time chuck dismisses him, it’s like making a bad decision in a video game
I'm with you on this, and so would Chuck. Chuck was stoic figure with a deterministic outlook, where people (i.e jimmy) are bound by their inherent nature. He accepted Jimmy for what he was, but allowing him to enter the ABA would contravene Chuck's sanctity for law + order. To this point chuck was totally vindicated.
It's the whole nature vs nurture debate.
- Maybe Jimmy could have become a great, by-the-book lawyer if he'd had Chuck's support and strict guidance from day one.
- Or maybe Jimmy would never be able to help himself, and was always destined to become (at best) a shady lawyer.
His brief stint at Davis and Main suggests the latter might be true to me.
Finally, an intelligent analysis.
okay but have you considered that Chuck lost the mandate of heaven?
Tianming Chuck and Slipping Jimmy
Who
Finally someone who speaks out on Chuck being right however I think it’s 50/50 Chuck was right but he did some wrong along with Jimmy
The funny part is that you seem to get the nuance of the show more than this video does
I hated Chuck going into the show on first watch, as I thought about I started to understand Chuck. As a man who sees family as everything I think it is disgusting to treat your brother the way he did, but still knowing Jimmy, he'd be paranoid. but hatred and jealously is the hidden evil within chuck, that connects him Jimmy.
I feel the same, but since you have a Griffith pfp, i just hate that fucker in general.
Chuck gives Jimmy a lot of support. He doesn't want him working for his company like you wouldn't want your addict brother working on your job.
Jimmy loved Chuck, but he wasn't above destroying Chucks' life. What Jimmy did went so against the brotherhood-code that I completely understood Chuck giving up on the relationship.
@@tarnw3301Exactly
Chuck used his condescension of Jimmy to undermine every effort made to change his "slippin' Jimmy" past.
When you accept Chuck was correct= proof of adulthood
When you realize resentments run the roost on both ends. Wisdom
@@melancholymartialarts7095Jimmy ruined peoples lives. I have no sympathy for him
Served kids chocolate ice cream? He defeated through a sun roof!!
Chuck handed his brother his life on a silver platter!
He was a saint!
Oh, poor you!
At least Jimmy didn’t put his brother into a nursing home. Just wait til you’re abandoned by your law firm!
There is a reason why people sympathize with Howard’s death more than Chuck’s death albeit Howard had no mental illness.
Because those legitimate chances that Jimmy wasted (Davis and Main and HHM) were all being provided by Howard. Howard saw Jimmy’s potential and felt bad that he was Chuck’s puppet in sabotaging Jimmy’s career so he tried to make things right. It was after Jimmy turned full evil and harassed him that Howard was like “Yep, Chuck’s right.”
Chuck, on the other hand, didn’t give Jimmy any chance when Jimmy wasn’t that evil and had a potential to be good (Jimmy was straight and narrow for years during that time). That’s why while Chuck wasn’t wrong about his brother, his actions went all the wrong way.
In the very first episode Jimmy by himself does a scam with 2 skaters and it ends up with them getting their legs broken and him owing nacho and getting involved. Jimmy was always a con man at heart. Jimmy knew the skaters were idiots and still wanted to work with them.
Put spoiler please
YOU RUINED THE SHOW FOR ME JESUS MAN IM CRYING SO HARD
JK
@@alexanderguerrero347you do know the first episode takes place after a lot of the stuff that led jimmy astray happened, right?
A lot of what people talk about are events shown in flashbacks, moments where jimmy genuinely wanted to improve but was kicked down despite it.
What? Chuck got him out of jail, gave him a job, and gave him advice in his private practice…and are we forgetting that Jimmy is a grown ass man, not a baby?
@@TheCloverHotelYTLike what?
Chuck and Jimmy's relationship was fascinating to watch. One of the best parts of the whole show.
Chuck was right and wrong. He kind help of made Jimmy become a self-fulfilling prophecy, with his paranoia and fear, feed the worst of Chuck, avoiding seeing the moments that Jimmy tried to improve, and thinking that Chuck's way of doing things was the only way that was correct, not seeing other possibilities.
In the very first episode Jimmy by himself does a scam with 2 skaters and it ends up with them getting their legs broken and him owing nacho and getting involved. Jimmy was always a con man at heart. Jimmy knew the skaters were idiots and still wanted to work with them.
@@alexanderguerrero347 But this is well in the future, after Chuck in the past sabotaged Jimmy and his chances of succeeding properly.
I think deep down Chuck never forgave Jimmy for stealing and hurting their parents.
Realllly??😮
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I mean, imagine sacrificing so much for your parents in order to receive some acceptance from them, only to see that they favor the child that was stealing from them, literally even saying his name as they're final words.
@@osmanyousif7849Didn’t a flashback of Jimmy and their dad show that his dad was losing money by giving it away to customers?
@@SherbertLomonYes we did but from Chuck’s POV it was entirely Jimmy’s fault
The Davis & Main arc pretty much settles that Chuck was right. Despite having a great opportunity to develop his career at a major firm, he threw it away due to having one of his ideas denied. Jimmy was just searching for a excuse to go back to his old ways imo
At that point he was, but had Chuck didn't betray him, it wouldn't have happened.
Wouldnt be enough for chuck still, but he is right. Is pride an ego possibly a factor in Chuck being unable to honestly and in good faith assist his brother?
Thats what im thinking
@@WhyTho525oh please! You acted like it was poisoning your gfs kid level of betrayal. He simply didn’t want his conman brother at his firm, which was the right move considering his behavior at D&M..the only thing you can say is that Chuck was a weasel instead of being direct. But I’d that enough to justify Jimmys shitty behavior? You Saul apologists got conned by the writers
@@JoeMama-dt4jg Yeah he simply didn't want him at the firm.
Behind his back.
For over a year.
While Jimmy saw to his every need.
Including financial needs.
While Jimmy slept in a closet.
And Chuck lived in a mansion.
Then pretended he was doing it all out of love for his brother when he hated his guts.
Then went behind his back to try and sabotage his relationship with Kim.
Then laughed at Jimmy for being late to work at D&M because he stayed overnight to make sure Chuck didn't fucking die.
Then played victim when Jimmy decided to no longer stay overnight to make sure Chuck didn't fucking die.
Just a bit weaselly that's all.
A little chicanery, if you will.
@@maicoxmauler2825Awww poor little jimmy, just had no choice but be pure evil because his brother was once mean to him.
"What the Chuck?!" We all say in unison
Formerly chucks
I understand this reference 😎
Hamlin, Hamlin & McGill (formerly in business)
You roasted Chuck and in the end Chuck roasted himself.
Get it? Chuck Roast?!
I’ll let myself out.
"Oh. So you were always like this."- Walter White
I completely agree that it was a combination of Jimmy stealing and their father being overly generous and I'm glad to hear someone agree lol
But the thing is, Jimmy actually wanted to get hired at HHM meanwhile he didn’t want Davis and Main, working for the with Chuck is everything Jimmy wanted. You see how well Jimmy and Chuck got along together in the first part of the sandpiper case
BCS went off the rails with everything being 100% cartel. The show was actually interesting when Chuck was around
I would have preferred if the cartel stuff was reserved for one final season, instead of having it through the whole show
@@CBMX_GAMING It was okay in small batches with Mikes story line and I enjoyed the Mike stuff but it kinda got out of hand. Especially when Mike, a guy who throughout the show was someone who never missed a beat, suddenly let Ziegler get out, and let Lalo get to Fring.
I started watching because of the intrigue of Saul and the court stuff but I stayed because of the converging storylines between the cartels and the lawyers. To each their own I guess🤷♂️
Season 4 was the best season and it had two chuck flash backs, they just didn't know where to take the characters of Saul, Mike, and Gus after they pretty much become the same characters that they are in Breaking Bad
that was put there to be an origin story for breaking bad, as some audience viewers might get bored with the legal drama. I was bored with none of it. I like the converging storylines as well.
Sneed and associates, formerly (Hamlin, Hamlin and) Chuck (McGill)
What people forget is that Jimmy's whole motivation for becoming a lawyer was Chuck. So ofc hed revert to his old ways in David & Maines with the death of his best friend and do what he knew he could do. If everyone tells you, that you are Slipping Jimmy and worse if your best friend and your brother both tell u that then its understandable that you would believe it
1:20 Hope anyone keeps this same energy for Kim, because people seem to blame Jimmy for every Kim’s life decisions.
Kim is definitely bad LIKE Jimmy, but she’s demonstrably better due to the fact that she woke up, left the arrangement, and eventually turned herself in. Morally compromised? Sure. As bad as Jimmy? No way. I would say much of her path is due to Jimmy, but of course she bears responsibility for her own part in their unethical hijinks.
Well...I mean yeah, Kim 100% could have said no if she wanted to at pretty much any point, its just that she didnt want to. Thing is, though (probably due to not wanting to be like her mother), she was REALLY good at supressing those impulses, and it was Jimmy that let her be the slightly shady and maybe a little self-destructive person she really is. Without Jimmy, and Kim's new mexico life would have been exactly like her life in florida - safe, boring, and completely empty.
eh, it's more like Jimmy enabled Kim because he didn't want to make her disappointed by saying no.
Women do not understand personal responsibility. The idea is offensive to them.
@@dindu1613 And u don't get any women so theres that
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chuck loved jimmy, he was jealous of jimmy but that doesnt make him wrong
imagine ur bother who was running scams and pooped on children through a car's sunroof begs you (a respected lawyer) to save him, you do it , years later that same brother tells you he graduated an online course from american samoa university and wants to work at your respected firm, what would you do?
people saying chuck hurt jimmy are wrong, in fact chuck saved jimmy from a disaster cause that chicago sunroof event could have landed him a good amount of years in an american prison (which wouldnt have improved jimmy) chuck had every reason to not want jimmy to be a lawyer, he just respected the law too much
in the final episode when we see chuck again, he talks to jimmy about his cases, and jimmy starts insulting and humiliating his clients, sounding almost disappointed that he doesnt work high profile cases, and you can see how much chuck cares about those cases even though they are little, and that is the difference between them, jimmy wanted to cut corners and always showed it to chuck, he always wanted glory and not actually to respect and uphold the law, if jimmy had actually shown growth i am pretty sure chuck would have supported him but jimmy was doing his slipping stuff and chuck always figured it out (in ep1 when the kids get hurt chuck finds a medical bill, in the ep hero chuck realizes jimmy orchestrated the whole event to get more recognition) chuck was never wrong or even a bad person by any means, baiting his bro to admit that he changed the numbers isnt evil because his brother did change the numbers to hurt chuck.
10/10 thumbnail by the way
Of course Chuck was right. We have the entire Davis and Main arc to vindicate his decision making about keeping him away from HHM as a lawyer.
Kim is what proves that people can change--because of Kim, Jimmy owned up to what he did and became himself again...James Morgan McGill. When given the proper motivation and guidance, James kept on the good road because he knew he had someone to do it for. Jimmy, the whole time Chuck was sick--shopped for him, went to him for advice--ie he was there for his brother when he was at his lowest because Chuck was there for him and wanted to do right by him. Chuck betrayed that notion by stabbing him in the back when it came to working at HHM. Chuck IS partly responsible because of his egotism and not willing to give Jimmy a chance. Jimmy wanted to work with his brother and be a family. He was doing that. But Chuck ruined it and the only reason Jimmy didn't stay on the road at the rival outfit to HHM was because he no support, no one to do it for. He wasn't working directly with Kim or Chuck there...he was solo. So with no anchor, Jimmy drifts into his old habits.
Huge assumptions with poor evidence. Chuck's attitude and actions towards Jimmy became self fulfilling prophecy. He's an older brother and as someone who is supposedly more mature he bears more responsibility. But he wasn't mature, he was just as flawed as Jimmy and he unwittingly nudged him in the wrong direction. Just because he didn't mean to doesn't absolve him of responsibility.
My fellow Chuck apologist
Another original, top-tier video as always. I completely agree with everything you said, and it's funny that people like to praise the show for having complex, nuanced writing and yet constantly keep simplying things by saying "hur dur it's all Chuck's fault, Jimmy did nothing wrong, he was a poor victim that only went bad when he wasn't handed a prestigious law-firm job on a silver platter because of nepotism." Acting like Jimmy wasn't to blame for his problems is completely missing the deeper psychological point of the series.
Jimmy’s kid brother Chuck. 59 years old. Just a kid
Does chuck really think jimmy can't change the easy awnser is yes but chuck always allowed jimmy to change if he wasnt a lawyer he was so proud of jimmy hw wrote a letter for him when he was in the mail room. Chuck also said prison would help jimmy change. Chuck also also was ok giving jimmy no jail time if he just lost his ability to be a lawyer.
Chucks real motivation is a jelousy that jimmy is morw loved than him. Somthing that was confirmed by micheal mckean the actor for chuck.
Chuck was only right because how he treated his brother.
The momment jimmy became saul was with kristy eposito because what happenws is a part of him died its that he wants somebody to help him change but he is being told nobody forgets nobody forgives he was never going tk be given a chance to change. Somthing thats in the featurete for season 4 episode 10.
Jimmy always was able to change its not even inconsistent.
He moved from illonois to new mexico said good bye to his old freind got a job in the mail room studied for the bar exam. The bar exam isnt online and takes cheating seriously you have to go some where and jimmy would have tk empty his pockets and get a quiz specifically for him so the only way to pass is to genuinly be good. Jimmy did all of this not just because he had no choice he did it because he wanted tk change.
Jimmy is willing tk change if he has somebkdy to fight for. He puts others above himself.
Peter gould stated in a interview with the hollywood reporter jimmy convinced lalo to send kim becauee jimmy was expecting to give up his life to give kim a chance to run to the police. His words not mine look it up.
Chucks not exactly right. He is walt and jimmys worst traits combined. A narsasist who lies to himself to justify his actions.
Vince stated this in the insiders podcast for season 4 episode 10 that he would only help jimmy if hw felt superior.
Chuck wanted to beleive jimmy cant change and is bellow him because it comes from a place of low seld esteam and the fact he is less loved by not just his mom but his own wife. Chuck very clearly thinks jimmy can change when he jsnt a lawyer and its not because he js a menace its because he doesnt consider the work jimmy putd into anythibg.
Chuck was never q good guy removing jimmy he stole a client from kim to hurt jimmy because it was in the law. He was ok sinking an entire firm just because howard for valid reasons was concerned about chuck and rather than waiting tk get better he sues howard.
The thing is his ehs is from a lack ofbsocial respobsibility and skills and its a need to be loved secretly and when he isbt loved he wants to be sheltered. So it never was go8ng to get better unless he let go of his narcasistic behavior.
In essense jimmy is the one who changed but lived to be known as saul
Chuck lived to be known as a great lawyer but never changed..
Also jimmy did change peter gould stated this read the full thing "I don’t think you can say that he’s redeemed himself, because how do you do that when you’ve been part of murder? There’s no taking that back without a time machine. But he’s gotten a piece of his true self back and I don’t think he’s ever going to make the same mistakes again. And I don’t think she is either." - the creator od saul goodman and thw lead writer of bcs.
So chuck is kind of right and wrong. He convinced jimmy into beleiving he would never chsnged meaning for a time he was right. But then when jimmy finally took responsibility he proved chuck wrong. The exit sign is interpeted to imply chuck js proud of jimmy.
The thing is chuck has a pattern whrre he blames others and never himself. His ehs was an excuse to not talk to his wife outside or on the phone and his jimmy will never change isnt any different there is some valid reasoning but chuck dismissed the fact jimmy restarted his life and spent a decade to become a lawyer with a full time job thats the signs of somebody who is hard working it takes 7 years to become a lawyer jimmy had to do so while doing full time. He takes short cuts and in season 1 wasnt perfect but was capable of chsnging.
Chuck doesnt want to helo jimmu learn to help himself bdcause if he would have norhing that jimmy doesnt already have and more.
Jimmy has done worse things thsn chuck and both are horrendus at self responsibility but jimmy has it in him to take responsibility and chuck doesnt and its why jimmy actually does change again "I don’t think he’s ever going to make the same mistakes again. And I don’t think she is either." -peter gould
When ever people say chuck i cringe because chuck is using his jimmy csnt chsnge mantra as a self justificstion for his actions.
You missed the quote Chuck says about Jimmy about their father’s funeral. “No one cried harder than jimmy.” Jimmy truly loved his father, but this was also a clue as chucks suspicion of Jimmy’s guilt. Jimmy realized he aided in ruining his fathers life, and so he dedicated his later years grifting other wolfs.
From what we have seen he hasn’t really screwed an innocent person with Marco, only people who are also scammers themselves.
I'd have to disagree. The show clearly displays had Jimmy been given a second chance, he'd definitely redeem himself. Chucks jealousy and prejudice against his little brother not only made Saul stay bad, but become worse.
Counterpoint: During the first season of the show in which Jimmy was fully enjoying his second chance that Chuck gave him, he pulled the billboard scam and the skating brothers scam. This shows that, even with Chuck's support, Jimmy would still have found ways to "color outside the lines" as Kino put it.
jimmy's second chnance was leaving howard alone but instead he made his life hell, much like he did with chuck. he did not learn until he was cornered by a prison sentence lol. also, highly disagree chuck made him stay bad or become worse. put that on kim who actively enabled him
@@g_eddie Sure, but Saul doesn't fall into the pits of immortality until Chuck's betrayal of him.
@@3einEye um. scamming people is still immoral. and he did that plenty before chuck's betrayal. deflecting blame onto other people for becoming worse, as a grown adult, is just making excuses for your own behavior. yea saul does worse things afterwards but that's on him for having too big of an ego to admit fault and relinquish control and power over certain situations
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None of those scams would've happened had Chuck allowed Howard to hire Jimmy as a lawyer at HHM before the events of the show.
I get your points Kino but to me I would’ve respected Chuck a lot more if he were just straight up honest about his hatred for Jimmy. When he first finds out Jimmy passed the bar and then feigns pride for him is when my estimation of Charles McGill as a man just fuckin plummeted.
Chuck: Santa, Jimmy? The law will give me my presents.
Chuck was right about Jimmy because he created a self-fulfilling prophecy by sabotaging him and pushing him away. Despite the fact Jimmy had worked hard to go straight and earn his degree while being his brother's caretaker and working full time.
This is the correct answer.
I think not entirely cause Jimmy always had hmm inclinations to breaking the rules, but propably sels-fulfilling prophecy only strengthen his problem and by putting a little more trust in and supporting Jimmy he migth have grown up to totally different person, that’s what a theory says.
Chuck was an exceptional character
I think Chuck just wanted Jimmy to own up to who he was more than anything
Which is ironic because Chuck thought he wasn't mentally ill
Nice clickbait title, and of course deliberately wrong. Chuck subjects his brother to impossible tests that he himself automatically fails.
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I think a vital moment for this argument is when Chuck questioned how Jimmy got all the clients for Davis & Mane. At first, I literally groaned when Chuck was the only one at that meeting, questioning Jimmy's integrity, but he was right. Jimmy was soliciting the elderly and it could've damaged the reputation of both HHM and D&M. Though they probably could've avoided one little thing, it definitely shows that Jimmy almost can't help himself and that behavior could manifest into something worse (like the commercial he did for D&M without their consent).
Chuck wasn't wrong to be concerned about his brother, who has a genuine knack for scamming people, but there is definitely a case for the "self fulfilling prophecy" argument because Jimmy was genuinely trying while Chuck never believed he could change and it definitely hurt Jimmy finding out he never had his brothers trust. I think if Chuck continued to help Jimmy along and fully supported him, it's possible Jimmy could've avoided sliding back into his old ways, but we'll never know and I think that's the point... it's good writing.
Basically he had TDS
Chuck is unironically the antihero of BCS.
Vince truly is a genius for writing such a complex character misunderstood by 95% of the fanbase.
Chuck worships the law for no other reason than his love for it, a selfless motive.
To Jimmy the law is nothing more than a means to an end for money, fame and most importantly, Chuck's respect, a selfish motive. Chuck sees this, knows this, and doesn't respect Jimmy as a lawyer for it, why would he? Chuck toiled away for decades of his life buiding a firm for no other reason than his love and respect for the law, then in comes Jimmy, who, in Chuck's view, spits on the law and his life's work by unethically cutting corners and doing things under the table, which is also why Jimmy is such an effective lawyer.
"Chuck should've just given Jimmy a chance, if he did he wouldn't have turned into Saul!"
There are two moments shown in BCS where Chuck is given the choice to give Jimmy a chance to work at HHM.
The first time is shortly after Jimmy passed the bar exam on his third attempt. Obviously, Chuck has no obligations to hire Jimmy if he doesn't want to. That's not sabotage, though it would be a different story if Chuck actively messed up Jimmy's cases by making him lose clients (something that Jimmy literally does to Chuck), but simply refusing to hire him is something Chuck is 100% within his rights to do as the majority shareholder of HHM. Chuck is also once again 100% within his rights to not want to hire a novice who learned everything through an online school, which is a fair enough reason for the time period (2003-2004).
"But Jimmy is his brother, Chuck should help him!" So nepotism is fine now because it's about Jimmy? Chuck is quite literally the last person on Earth who would indulge nepotism.
Chuck only hires based on merits and prospect, and Jimmy at this point has neither.
Then there's the second time Chuck has a chance to hire Jimmy at HHM, the Sandpiper lawsuit.
Something people love to forget by that point in the series is that Chuck has already witnessed slipping Jimmy with a law degree twice. First is when he sees the medical bill for the broken legs of the two skaters. Obviously, when Chuck sees this, he assumes that Jimmy got people to do a slip and fall but it went wrong and actually got people hurt in the process, which also happens to vindicate Chuck's "Slipping Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machine gun" statement, and that's not even factoring in the fact Chuck doesn't know Tuco was the cause of the broken legs.
The second slipping Jimmy incident is the billboard stunt. Jimmy tries to hide it, but Chuck still finds out about it, and in the process gets tased and taken to the hospital, obviously and rightfully so he blames Jimmy for that. Jimmy tried to cut corners with a cheap stunt for notoriety and in the process of covering his tracks, got Chuck hurt.
Based on those two incident, Chuck obviously doesn't have a positive view on Jimmy's "love for the law", a quality Chuck values above all else in a lawyer and that Jimmy still sorely lacks even after practicing law for years by this point. So it makes perfect sense with this in mind that Chuck still doesn't want Jimmy to work at HHM.
One last point to touch on is the notion that Jimmy can never change, which is also absolutely true.
Slipping Jimmy will always be a part of him, and Jimmy can only ever hope to contain it, never to fully get rid of it. All it takes is one bad day and slipping Jimmy will emerge.
Even if Jimmy was given a chance and respect by Chuck, he would eventually get bored and go back to his slipping ways, which is shown multiple times throughout the show.
First with Davis & Main, which was Jimmy's golden ticket to get Chuck to eat his words through pure hard work and devotion to the law without Chuck's prejudices getting directly in his way. Of course, Jimmy proves Chuck right and throws this opportunity away on the first occasion he gets because he does a commercial under the table, something that gets himself and Kim punished. His answer to this is, of course, to go right back to slipping Jimmy in order to get himself fired.
This is then shown once again when Jimmy had a promising future in elder law, another chance to make Chuck eat his words and earn his respect through honest work but of course Jimmy decides to throw that away again so he can go slipping Jimmy mode to mess Chuck's Mesa Verde case on Kim's behalf. Of course this ends with Chicanery and Jimmy getting suspended for a year.
This is then shown for the final time during the Gene era. Obviously, Jimmy as Gene doesn't have the most exciting daily life, but that's a price to pay for everything he's done as Saul. He could've lived a quiet and peaceful life as Gene, and yet at the first opportunity to do so, he throws that away so slipping Jimmy can emerge once again, proving Chuck right for the last time.
Also even during Jimmy's trial, he still hasn't changed one bit, the sole reason why he comes clean is because he wants Kim's respect (bit of a theme there), had she not been there he would not have come clean and he would have taken the 7 years plea deal.
It's pretty ironic that the only thing Jimmy would've needed to earn Chuck's respect is to become a lawyer for the sake of the law and what it stands for, not for the sake of Chuck's respect. This is a fundamental misunderstanding between the two brothers, which a heart-to-heart between the two might've been able to uncover, but of course as was shown in the last scene between the two of them in the last episode, that never came to pass.
Congrats on understanding the show better than 95% of the fanbase. This video would've made a much stronger case if it touched on all the points of your comment
Jimmy wasn’t 100% bad. He was too wishy-washy, and lazy, but wanted to be good. His brother was too Inflexible regarding his understanding of human nature, and that was his own weakness. The two characters had a weird symbiotic relationship that was extremely unhealthy, and neither were completely honest with each other at any time.
Nobody forced Jimmy to do everything he did. He should have been content with the mailroom, after proving all his life he was unfit to hold power.
8:09 You're strawmanning here. No one genuinely believes Jimmy would become a lawer like Howard. People argue that if he had his brother's support, he likely wouldn't have stooped to the lows we see in season 6, and Breaking Bad.
This video will hurt a lot of fangirls😂
I also agree he is the best character in BCS, no wonder why i enjoyed more the first 3 season
Great video as always. Chuck was definitely NOT right all along. Great character though.
Haven’t finished the video yet but, finally someone who gets it… Chuck is the best antagonist in the Breaking Bad universe after Gus (specifically in Breaking Bad) and I’m tired of pretending like Lalo is even in the same league.
Do you think Kino is a little weird about Lalo?
ok while I agree with the general sentiment you express, "Chuck did nothing wrong" is objectively false and an incorrect take.
Never had the makings of a varsity athlete
I mean in the very first episode Jimmy launches a con with 2 idiots and gets their legs broken. Jimmy did this by himself. He was a con man at heart
Imagine how much different he would've been with a supportive brother
@@melancholymartialarts7095 truly. But he had a supportive friend who was attracted to him in Kim. And still Jimmy went for the con.
Chuck upon coming back from the dead in season 6: "I always told you I'd get better, you just never believed me."
One of my favourite moments in the series is in Plan And Execution, when Jimmy and Kim lure Howard into suspecting corruption which results in his own boardroom freakout, made worse by drugs they slipped into his system to make him look like he was tweaking. Chuck's portrait hangs on the wall in the background, grinning the whole time as if to say "I told you so."
Only the son of a cop would see Chuck's good points
I totally agree with you. Jimmy would have become some version of Saul Gooman regardless of Chuck. He'd been doing it since his childhood.
I always say, if you ever find yourself hating a character so much, not the actor themselves, the actual character… the writers and actors did their job. If it draws out any kind of response, either you love them or hate them, they successfully and effectively portrayed the character exactly as he or she was meant to come across
Chuck McGill was right about “Slippin’ Jimmy”, but for all the wrong reasons.
I think you're crazy if you think Chuck's condescension towards Jimmy had no part in his development. Chuck's condescension, even if he was right, is a terrible way to go about trying to help someone. Jimmy looked up to Chuck and even when he tried to do the right thing Chuck would constantly tell him that he couldn't. You live in a fantasy world if you think that wouldn't damage someone and make them act out, it's a very common thing. I think Kim's compassion helped Jimmy more than anything in undoing the damage Chuck inflicted, and she's the reason he was ultimately able to come to terms with himself.
Just think about a time where you were in an argument with someone and they were treating you like shit, calling you terrible names, etc. did you just openly admit you were wrong to that person? Probably not. Most people wouldn't. It's very uncommon that you can change someone's mind with anger and hatred the way Chuck constantly did, and while I'm not saying Chuck was totally at fault necessarily, he absolutely was not helping and only making things worse. Just because he was 'right' doesn't mean how he treated Jimmy was right.
Chuck is the Skyker of Better Call Saul
Great video interesting perspective, so much depth to the show
eh idk, i think your point is a little reductionistic
yes, chuck is deeply flawed, yes, there is a chance that jimmy would have still been a con man without his influence BUT
thinking that jimmy would have been this way with or without chuck reduces his influence greatly
having howard take the fall for the HHM scenario was one out of many extremely shitty things that chuck did
chuck was so convinced of his perspective of jimmy that he couldnt let anything else happen
jimmy went on the bad choice road himself but to me it feels like chuck would always make sure that hed stay on it
He intentionally said things out of context to make Chuck look better than he is. He omitted the fact about the reason Jimmy had to take shortcut, the reason Jimmy switched the numbers and Chuck’s regret.
@@nont18411 "the reason jimmy switched the numbers" doesn't make him look any better, or make his actions any more justified lol
@@pencil6965 While Jimmy switching the numbers weren’t that justified, Chuck intentionally stealing the client from Kim just to spite Jimmy wasn’t justified either because Kim earned that client. Chuck just used his influence as a big company to bully Kim. Just because Chuck is an enemy of a bad guy like Jimmy, doesn’t automatically make Chuck a good guy.
@@nont18411 1. no one is saying chuck is a good guy. he is flawed and human like everyone else in the show. he makes mistakes. he lets his anger get the best of him. he is irritating sometimes. but the show humanizes and explains his rationale very well. lots of people just don't want to empathize because the "fuck chuck" train is so popular and easy to jump on
2. kim did not own mesa verde. yes, it sucked that she lost them as a client, but she was no doubt skilled and talented enough to win more clients in the future. chuck did not bully her or even tarnish her name whatsoever. he simply pitched his company's strengths in a very professional business meeting. there was nothing unethical or immoral about this at all. companies and practices do this all the time. this does not excuse forgery and bribery over something this petty. at all. regardless of what you think chuck's true motivations were.
3. jimmy took it upon myself (not even at kim's request) to ACTUALLY break the law and do a bunch of fucked up things because he felt it was a personal attack against him. he says it was for kim, but it was really because of his ego and entitlement. kim winds up not even enjoying that client anyway and quitting lol so it was kind of a waste.
4. just because chuck is painted as a pompous and arrogant guy who is opposed to the protagonist of the show doesn't make him a villain. nor a bad guy.
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chuck always pushed jimmy away kind of like when people get out of prison and cant find a jobs and apartments witch leads to more crime
In the end Jimmy proved Chuck wrong. Chuck believed jimmy wouldn’t change, but Jimmy sacrificed his entire life to protect Kim. If Chuck was truly right Jimmy would’ve taken the 7 year deal and have Kim face serious ramifications for Howard’s demise.
i think we all knew that but just didn’t wanna believe it cuz we love slipping jimmy
Chuck McGill is the Frank Grimes of BCS.
I think you're better sticking to the Sopranos, given that you don't get Chuck at all
Jimmy slips into his old ways because he's struggling to get by. He's struggling to get by because Chuck wouldn't let him into HHM because doing so would violate Chuck's ego. All the crap Chuck says about him being afraid of Jimmy having that kind of authority or it being nepotism is just Chuck coping. It's his own pride. Jimmy worked hard and put himself through law school on a mail room salary. He earned a chance to practice at HHM. If Chuck hadn't stood in his way, there's a very solid chance that Jimmy actually would have left his con man ways behind permanently.
This is the entire tragedy of the show. People who don't understand that Jimmy became a criminal because Chuck held him back due to pride are fooling themselves.
10:00 I think some very important context is needed here. Chuck was born in 1944, meaning he was 15-16 years older than Jimmy. He graduated from high school *very* early (canonically 14 or 15, I believe) and went off to UPenn & Georgetown. Presumably, he finished undergrad at 19 and got his JD at 22. He returned from either law school or clerking as a young adult (probably fresh out of law school) to audit the store. He would’ve been 22-24, meaning Jimmy was ~6-9 years old at the time the store closed.
I don’t care how slippery someone is, literally no 7 year old can pull of a grand heist of or anything in the neighborhood of $14,000. I know he said “ever since he was 9,” but I wonder if a) Chuck came back during the summer, and Jimmy turned 9 around when their father died, or b) Chuck genuinely does not know exactly how old Jimmy is.
The fact that Chuck tried to pin their father’s death on a child who was likely 7 years old (8 at the oldest really, since Jimmy was born in November) is incredibly messed up. I would NOT be shocked if Chuck verbally berated Jimmy over this at some point. I mean, come on. It’s Chuck.
jimmy would have never become saul if chuck didn’t block him from being hired at his firm in the first place and i’ll die on that hill.
Better Call Saul was good but I feel the ending was complete fan service (it was bullshit) they always end these type of shows with the characters being redeemed. it just doesn't happen that way.
That's why The Sopranos is the best ever
You are truly a man of great taste for having this take which we share since i feel the exact same though the only thing i just wish her didn’t go out being the crazy looking one, but losing his cool, and okay man i don’t really fully get your Lalo hate like sure you don’t have to think he’s amazing, or that he is written really well, which okay hum surbiveing so much, jumping like Mario, and being fine, but dude don’t deny you can’t tell me ohhh no he wasn’t intimidating, and chilling when he wasn’t being a action star lol because i will still agree that’s wacky i still don’t think that has much to do with his character though, like his best scenes are him threatening Jimmy, and Kim, and him talking with nacho, but i guess at least you didn’t have any dislike for nacho because he’s honestly a high rated character that i think every fan loves
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Are you going to start doing Saul Logs?!
I think your analysis is great-- particularly the part of whether Jimmy was actually stealing from his dad's store. But there is an important fact you're missing: HHM's malpractice insurance. While Jimmy sought to recoup some of the malpractice insurance payments he made at the insurance company's office, he was told that he would not be getting any refunds, and that his future premiums after he is readmitted to the bar would be going up because of his arrest and disbarred for a year. But then JImmy is seemingly crying, but you can tell that he's faking it. The reason that he is crying is to appear vulnerable to the insurance company so that he can screw Chuck over.
In an act of vindictiveness Jimmy tells the insurer about Chuck's mistake concerning Mesa Verde's case and about Chuck's mental condition and irratic behavior, particularly at Jimmy's disbarment hearing using the hearing transcripts as proof. As a result, the insurance company threatens to increase HHM's premiums substantially unless Chuck retires or his consistently supervised. This forces Howard to put pressure on Chuck to retire. With nothing left in his life, no wife, no career, and a seemingly irreconcilably broken relationship with his brother, Chuck essentially gives up on life, telling Jimmy that Jimmy never really met that much to him.
We next see Chuck in a rocking chair, near a coffee table with a stack of newspapers and a lit lantern on it. He's supposedly sleeping, but then it looks like he's waking up and he's peeking at the table. At first he accidentally kicks the table due to the rocking. But then Chuck notices the lantern jumbling so he kicks it some more, and by the fourth kick, it becomes more emphatic and not just deliberate until the lantern tips over and the house burns down.
In Season 1 we see Jimmy already being slippin jimmy with the kettlemans. He is rotten from the start.
Purekino with an opinion, I can handle just fine. But Purekino with a TH-cam channel is like a chimp with a machine gun!
Just wanted to say it. I actually agree, for the most part.
I think Chuck's mistake was to believe that Jimmy would never change. In his last convo, he tells Jimmy to stop apologizing, but not to accept responsibility for his actions and tell people the truth. Just keep lying and stop feeling bad about it.
As someone whose family worked against his success, this show really hit home and dredged up feelings.
In S1 Jimmy doesn't do anything that morally wrong, if ethically questionable. The Kettleman scam was just to get them as clients, he didn't want their stolen money. Look at Jimmy's path - passes the bar, rejected from HHM, is told by Chuck ( supposedly from Howard) to not use his name. The war with Howard makes sense. Then the Sandpiper case was legit. I don't think he was trying to get Chuck to do his work out of laziness, even if he did want to partner with him.
Chuck in late S1 should have been mentoring Jimmy and steering him away from his "eccentric" behaviors, not sabotaging him. It's only after discovering Chuck's betrayal that he starts doing unquestionably immoral and unethical things.
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Chuck might have been harsh on Jimmy but there was good reason for Chuck to be this way. Chuck's weakness was allowing him to become obsessed with exposing Jimmy, and when that failed it drove Chuck insane. Chuck did go crazy, but Jimmy made him this way. You could argue Chuck could've handled it better, but Jimmy created a monster out of his brother. For all Chuck's fault's he did try to give Jimmy advice, and help but Jimmy abused his chances, and kept taking advantage of people, and the circumstances he faced. So yes, Chuck was right.
Fragile people have a greater need to control the people around themselves. Chuck is the most fragile and clings tightest to his abstract notion of the law. It is his tragic flaw. It is doubly tragic the harm & perverse incentive it placed on Jimmy, who as a stereotypical younger brother aimed to please while proving himself. Jimmy's adaptability was turned bad through Chuck's ultimate rejection.
I must be insane because I sympatized with Chuck the first time I saw the show.
lol same. i didn't like him but i understood his concerns right away. i also hated jimmy's scams more than i disliked chuck. i thought chucks feelings were valid, he just let his jealousy and hatred consume him, that was his major flaw. it's all really tragic actually
Chuck was wrong for being Right about Jimmy
Chuck led Jimmy to become Saul Goodman. Yea Jimmy makes his own choices but Jimmy always sought for Chuck's approval. It's all he ever wanted and when he genuinely tried to change for the better, Chuck impeded his growth every step of the way.