The shackle flip on those add about 4", the best thing for ride quality is to use actual shocks instead of the lift shock that Rancho and Skyjacker sell, those are only dampeners, they destroy ride quality. Use the factory length shocks off the mid to late 90's Chevy truck, like off a 96, on the front, use the factory rear off of like a 1977 Chevy truck, I have always gone a step up and used either Gabriel or Monroe overload shocks with the extra coils, night and day difference in ride quality
offroad design builds great quality stuff and they wheel what they sell. check out all the ultimate adventure and king of hammers stuff they have done.
Hi, You had mentioned that you had run across some that like to radius the cut like in the "Demo Puzzle" class. I've hunted for some of these fella's on the tube. Can you finger point who to listen to. I like this direction for when I stretch my frame. Thanks. Yours is looking really good. Thanks again, Fellow Crewby !!
Thanks for the video. I ordered my ORD shackle flip today. I got the 2.5" kit. What type of air chisel/hammer do you have? It popped those rivets off quick!
Yeah it wasn't cheap. We some times work on some big stuff and needed one with some power. If your having trouble cut the head of the rivet with a cutoff wheel into quarters and bust them off a piece at a time.
One question, if I use the shackle flip and it gives me 4" of lift and I put the super shackles that in the description says they measure 4.5", would that give me 8" of lift or would it still be 4"?
I don't know much about vans but check this out www.skysoffroaddesign.com/collections/92-97-f-250-350-rear-suspension/products/ford-rfk-004?variant=21594575108 Thanks for watching
87 chevy squarebody crew cab 1 ton. Yes, I believe they are 56", I'll measure them tomorrow and confirm. Yes I have some videos on the front as well check out my channel. Thanks for watching
Excuse my ignorance, but what prevents the leaf spring shackle from pivoting. Is it supposed to do that? I have an old datsun truck I want to lift a little bit and parts are non-existent, so you have to make your own. I want to make myself a pair of extended shackles, I just want to make sure I understand the workings of the suspension.
Yes the shackle does move. One end of a leaf spring needs to be able to move to allow the spring to flex. As a spring compress (flattens out) the distance between the 2 spring eyes must lengthen. As a spring droops the distance between the 2 springs eyes must shorten. The shackle is what allows this to happen. Thanks for watching and good luck on your project.
I can't really answer that for you. Since I cut 22 inches out of my frame I will be running new hardlines, but you should be to plumb into your existing hardline. Thanks for watching
Only that it will change pinion angle. There are so many variables, it is hard for them so say for certain how much and if you will need to address it. Thanks for watching
Glad you liked the video. No, I didn't measure how far it moved the axle. Offroad design claims it will move the axle about 1/2 inch forward. Thanks for watching
Is this just to lift the truck? Bc I got this on my truck but I’m trying to go lower and I have a flip kit and a shackle flip with a stock shackles trying to go lower should I get the original shackles instead of the flip shackles?
Yes, the shackle flip is just lifting the truck. It is cheaper than new springs. If you want to go lower then you don't want to flip your shackles like I do in this video. If your shackles are already flipped then you could flip them back to the stock configuration and it will lower your truck. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching
I've done this, but I also went from 52 inch half ton to 56 inch long 3/4 ton springs at the same time. It really made the ride better. And fixed a couple other issues. Highly recommend this!!!! 1969 K10 long bed.
What's your plan for addressing the pinon angle? The shackle flip rotates the pinion up a bunch. I would recommend cutting the stock leaf perches off. They are junk anyways. Replace them with an aftermarket anti wrap perch. I like to use Ruffstuff's. I have used Barne's 4x4 also. This way you can weld them exactly at the correct pinion angle. Using an aftermarket perch will also let you get back the 1" of wheelbase you lose with a shackle flip. Since they usually have 3 different holes for adjusting wheelbase.
I'm not sure about my pinon angle yet. I cut 22 inches out of the frame, installed the shackle flip and I currently don't have any of my drive train mounted. So for those reasons I haven't worried about it yet. I'm sure I'll have to adjust when the time comes. I'll check out the perches you mentioned. Thanks for watching
ive allways unbolted,loosened the u bolts,ground the saddle weld,,rotate diff up about 3",then re weld.re tighten bolts.done.that shackle flip is only good for show,,not good for travel,it reduces travel.better with 4" blocks,or& 2" leafs..all std ford gear.those drop brackets need a bar between them,as well..twist,not good..
@@phantomwalker8251 I agree with the travel aspect. Seems the stock shackle in tension gives a ton of down travel. Which in my mind is worth more then up travel to a point.
@@bradywilliams2666 yes,,if you 4x4,is we do here in aus,,down is allways greater than up travel..my old f100 79 4x4,had 2 ft travel std,front coils...leafs need to be as long as possible..to get anywhere near coils..i have 4 ford 4x4rs,dont give me shit over that,as i wanted a blazer,but dodge & chev pulled out of aus..i think theres about 4 blazers in aus,,most holden,[chev],nuts here would love one..when you get 27 secs spare.....look up,ford f250 s/duty,4.2tdi..its a pity yopu never got them,there a buy & drive truck never touch,until you sell it,but then,you wouldnt sell it.try this,,y tube,,,,silverado MWM turbo...there built in brazil..or MWM f1000.,not f100...the vehicle laws here in aus are pre histroic at best..we cant do shit to anything..or its engineered for 2.5k..
www.offroaddesign.com/suspension/shackle-flips-components.html Just pick out which one you need. If your not sure which one you need give ORD a call. I've always had really good customer service from them when I call with questions
Correct it does not increase your ground clearance, but it does give you more room to install bigger tires before you have to start trimming sheet metal. I don't think I'm going to try 60 inch tires but I would like to get 40's if the budget allows. Thanks for watching. I see you have some videos from Brockdell, I'm at the bottom of pitts gap.
You can do a shackle flip on a dodge. I don't know if this particular kit would work on your dodge. You could try calling offroaddesign and they would know if it would work on a dodge or not. Thanks for watching
My truck still isn't finished so I can't comment from personal experience. But ride quality shouldn't be effected very much, it's your same springs. Articulation will actually be slightly less than the stock shackle configuration. Check out this link www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/product/view/id/1757/s/shackle-flip-kits-for-73-91-gm-square-body-trucks/category/487/ Click on product info and they have answers to some common questions about shackle flips. I hope this helps answer your question. Thanks for watching!
I totally agree! I wanted to wait until the truck is closer to completed before I started pulling springs. I'm surprised no one else made the same comment. Thanks for watching
Yes, you can easily make your own pinch nuts. This kit came with them so I didn't have to worry with it, but thanks for pointing that out. I hear you on the zerk fittings but I was tapping them very easy. I should have just grabbed a socket. Thanks for watching!
@@Offroadfarm1 I appreciate the video. You were tapping lightly on the zerk, can't deny that. I meant more for the soft faced dead blow. I watched and had flashbacks of my dad catching me using this dead blow to bang nails. It ruined his dead blow and I learned a valuable lesson. Dont get caught with dads tools. Lol. I also find it handy to use an all or a spike to line up the bushing sleeve on the other side when sliding a bolt thru. Works good for me. Thanks again.
I plan on working on the rear springs sometime in the future and there will be some springs pulled out of the pack. There will be no flex with what is in there currently. Thanks for watching!
@@Offroadfarm1 your leaf spring eye hole bolts. now they will retain memory in that position of being unloaded and when you put its body weight on it it'll stretch those bushings more then from being in a loaded state and tear them faster than keeping it a neutral position because it will stretch the bushing more. take your skin for example stretch it and then trying to stretch it again and see what happens just trying to save you from doing more work but it may not due to those greaseable bolts idk I've never ran those and ty
chevys,,never buy a chevy,,everything is upside down..he could save a lot of drama & time,with 4" blocks,been on my f250 for 28 yrs,,no issues.you want height,,go buy a highboy,or cucv or power wagon,& stop stuffing around.
@@jmangi6221 i was actually after a chevy as they had better laid out dashes,but,here in aus,theres buggerall of them.i got a h/boy,for 3k,auctions,4 wheel disced it,cut it to swb,f100 h/p front diff with locker.5 sp.,very rare truck here. its mainly a war between toyotas & nissans.i get ribbed a lot,but show them up.i also have the 82 bronco,62 f100 4x4,swb,with a 352FE,from susanville ca,&,a truck you never had,a 2002,s/duty,4.2tdi,MWM,german diesel.built in brazil,fitted to silverado,s too.killer diesel.watch vids f1000 mwm,or mwm silverado.that is 1000.theres a vid of one pushing a motor bike down the h/way...also have a 73 r/t 340 challenger.got ripped off buying it,but,goes up in value every yr.runs,no rust,sublime. we have shit laws here.every mod has to be engineered,can cost thousands.stay safe.
You do an amazing job of explaining things! Wish I’d found this earlier
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
Excellent video ! Good job . This will definitely help understand my next project better
Helped me understand my suspension on my 1st gen ram a lot more. Thanks!
Glad it helped and thanks for watching
its wrong,,unless you dont 4x4.with this,you lose travel.& ride quality.
The shackle flip on those add about 4", the best thing for ride quality is to use actual shocks instead of the lift shock that Rancho and Skyjacker sell, those are only dampeners, they destroy ride quality. Use the factory length shocks off the mid to late 90's Chevy truck, like off a 96, on the front, use the factory rear off of like a 1977 Chevy truck, I have always gone a step up and used either Gabriel or Monroe overload shocks with the extra coils, night and day difference in ride quality
I'll be running Blistein shocks
subbed after the first 10 sec... love it
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching
Awesome job. On my to do list on my 76 k5 blazer. Thank you for all the info.
Thanks for watching!
I'm really curious how much does that affect the ride 🤔
offroad design builds great quality stuff and they wheel what they sell. check out all the ultimate adventure and king of hammers stuff they have done.
I try to watch UA every year when they release the videos. I've been very happy with everything I've gotten from them. Their quality is top notch
Great video man.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Shortbed? If it is did it come with 3/4 ton rear.
It was a longbed. I cut the frame. It has a a 1 ton FF 14 bolt rear end in it. Thanks for watching
Hi, You had mentioned that you had run across some that like to radius the cut like in the "Demo Puzzle" class. I've hunted for some of these fella's on the tube. Can you finger point who to listen to. I like this direction for when I stretch my frame. Thanks. Yours is looking really good. Thanks again, Fellow Crewby !!
th-cam.com/video/PjlxpF8RL9Q/w-d-xo.html I always liked watching Stacey David!
Awesome video highly informative, keep up the good work. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. I ordered my ORD shackle flip today. I got the 2.5" kit.
What type of air chisel/hammer do you have? It popped those rivets off quick!
It is a MAC tools brand. I'm not sure which model but I'll check and let you know next time I get to work on the truck. Thanks for watching
@@Offroadfarm1
Thank you.
You mean expensive.. LOL. probably out of my price range.
Yeah it wasn't cheap. We some times work on some big stuff and needed one with some power. If your having trouble cut the head of the rivet with a cutoff wheel into quarters and bust them off a piece at a time.
nice job.. I liked what you did.
......five Star rating
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching
Well done buddy !!
Thanks for watching
Super grooveys 😁jolly good carryon pip pips
Thanks! 😁
Great video.
One question, if I use the shackle flip and it gives me 4" of lift and I put the super shackles that in the description says they measure 4.5", would that give me 8" of lift or would it still be 4"?
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bradleycrenshaw is correct you only get 4 inches of lift
Can we do this on an 04 ford Econoline e350? Or can you maybe point me in the right direction please
I don't know much about vans but check this out
www.skysoffroaddesign.com/collections/92-97-f-250-350-rear-suspension/products/ford-rfk-004?variant=21594575108
Thanks for watching
Great video my man.
Thanks for watching
Sorry I missed the details?
Are you working on a 1st gen ram rear pack (stock is 56”…..?
Any front upgrade videos?
87 chevy squarebody crew cab 1 ton. Yes, I believe they are 56", I'll measure them tomorrow and confirm. Yes I have some videos on the front as well check out my channel. Thanks for watching
Yes they are 56"
Excuse my ignorance, but what prevents the leaf spring shackle from pivoting. Is it supposed to do that? I have an old datsun truck I want to lift a little bit and parts are non-existent, so you have to make your own. I want to make myself a pair of extended shackles, I just want to make sure I understand the workings of the suspension.
Yes the shackle does move. One end of a leaf spring needs to be able to move to allow the spring to flex. As a spring compress (flattens out) the distance between the 2 spring eyes must lengthen. As a spring droops the distance between the 2 springs eyes must shorten. The shackle is what allows this to happen. Thanks for watching and good luck on your project.
Excuse me sir. Are you still around? Have a question about the rear suspension
Yup, I'm still around
Excellent video thank you!
Thanks for watching!
What did you need to get rid of the load sensing valve?
I can't really answer that for you. Since I cut 22 inches out of my frame I will be running new hardlines, but you should be to plumb into your existing hardline. Thanks for watching
did they say anything about pinion angle?
Only that it will change pinion angle. There are so many variables, it is hard for them so say for certain how much and if you will need to address it. Thanks for watching
Any idea how far it moved the rear end forward? Nice video btw
Glad you liked the video. No, I didn't measure how far it moved the axle. Offroad design claims it will move the axle about 1/2 inch forward. Thanks for watching
Is this just to lift the truck? Bc I got this on my truck but I’m trying to go lower and I have a flip kit and a shackle flip with a stock shackles trying to go lower should I get the original shackles instead of the flip shackles?
Yes, the shackle flip is just lifting the truck. It is cheaper than new springs. If you want to go lower then you don't want to flip your shackles like I do in this video. If your shackles are already flipped then you could flip them back to the stock configuration and it will lower your truck. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching
Offroadfarm thank you so much boss man
Nice quality and instructional video!
Glad you liked the video and thanks for watching
It's been 3 years have you had any problems with the greaseable bolts breaking
No I haven't, but I'm not done with this rig yet and it hasn't really moved in 3 years. Thanks for watching.
how does it ride with the flip? i have a 73 k20 and looking to soften the rear since i have stock leafs with 4" block and oem shackle set up
My truck is still in pieces so I can't comment on the ride quality, Thanks for watching
I've done this, but I also went from 52 inch half ton to 56 inch long 3/4 ton springs at the same time. It really made the ride better. And fixed a couple other issues. Highly recommend this!!!! 1969 K10 long bed.
halo where you find the system shackles
The kit came from www.offroaddesign.com/ Thanks for watching!
Thanks have Nice day
Where did you get the shackle perches?
Offroad design Check out this link. www.offroaddesign.com/suspension/shackle-flips-components.html
Thanks for watching.
What rear end do you have in this truck?
14 bolt, Thanks for watching
What's your plan for addressing the pinon angle? The shackle flip rotates the pinion up a bunch. I would recommend cutting the stock leaf perches off. They are junk anyways. Replace them with an aftermarket anti wrap perch. I like to use Ruffstuff's. I have used Barne's 4x4 also. This way you can weld them exactly at the correct pinion angle. Using an aftermarket perch will also let you get back the 1" of wheelbase you lose with a shackle flip. Since they usually have 3 different holes for adjusting wheelbase.
I'm not sure about my pinon angle yet. I cut 22 inches out of the frame, installed the shackle flip and I currently don't have any of my drive train mounted. So for those reasons I haven't worried about it yet. I'm sure I'll have to adjust when the time comes. I'll check out the perches you mentioned. Thanks for watching
ive allways unbolted,loosened the u bolts,ground the saddle weld,,rotate diff up about 3",then re weld.re tighten bolts.done.that shackle flip is only good for show,,not good for travel,it reduces travel.better with 4" blocks,or& 2" leafs..all std ford gear.those drop brackets need a bar between them,as well..twist,not good..
@@phantomwalker8251 I agree with the travel aspect. Seems the stock shackle in tension gives a ton of down travel. Which in my mind is worth more then up travel to a point.
@@bradywilliams2666 yes,,if you 4x4,is we do here in aus,,down is allways greater than up travel..my old f100 79 4x4,had 2 ft travel std,front coils...leafs need to be as long as possible..to get anywhere near coils..i have 4 ford 4x4rs,dont give me shit over that,as i wanted a blazer,but dodge & chev pulled out of aus..i think theres about 4 blazers in aus,,most holden,[chev],nuts here would love one..when you get 27 secs spare.....look up,ford f250 s/duty,4.2tdi..its a pity yopu never got them,there a buy & drive truck never touch,until you sell it,but then,you wouldnt sell it.try this,,y tube,,,,silverado MWM turbo...there built in brazil..or MWM f1000.,not f100...the vehicle laws here in aus are pre histroic at best..we cant do shit to anything..or its engineered for 2.5k..
What is your plan for the front?
4 inch lift springs and 1 inch zero rate add-a-leafs from offroad design
Do you run this rig since on road and or highway speeds? And if so how well is it running?
Sorry the truck is not finished yet. I'll let you know when I get it finished
Absolutely heard "so now I'm just gonna drink some" thought: alright so we get high then drink acid...this is my kind of mechanic
Thanks for watching
podria decirme donde pudo conseguir esos acesorios
Compré todos los componentes en www.offroaddesign.com Gracias por ver
Did that affect your opinion angle?
Yes it will change our pinion angle. Thanks for watching
Can you share the link where you got these brackets from
www.offroaddesign.com/suspension/shackle-flips-components.html Just pick out which one you need. If your not sure which one you need give ORD a call. I've always had really good customer service from them when I call with questions
How do you match the front to the rear?
I'm installing 4 inch lift springs, a 1 inch block, and new HD shackles. Thanks for watching
But it doesn't increase your ground clearance.. or are you intending to put on 60 inch tall tires???
Correct it does not increase your ground clearance, but it does give you more room to install bigger tires before you have to start trimming sheet metal. I don't think I'm going to try 60 inch tires but I would like to get 40's if the budget allows. Thanks for watching. I see you have some videos from Brockdell, I'm at the bottom of pitts gap.
Would it work for like a 85 dodge
You can do a shackle flip on a dodge. I don't know if this particular kit would work on your dodge. You could try calling offroaddesign and they would know if it would work on a dodge or not. Thanks for watching
I am wondering shakle flip is worth? ride quality or articulation?
My truck still isn't finished so I can't comment from personal experience. But ride quality shouldn't be effected very much, it's your same springs. Articulation will actually be slightly less than the stock shackle configuration. Check out this link www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/product/view/id/1757/s/shackle-flip-kits-for-73-91-gm-square-body-trucks/category/487/
Click on product info and they have answers to some common questions about shackle flips. I hope this helps answer your question. Thanks for watching!
K30 plus the number of springs in that spring pack.. and talk about articulation... hahahahahaha
I totally agree! I wanted to wait until the truck is closer to completed before I started pulling springs. I'm surprised no one else made the same comment. Thanks for watching
How much lift did you gaing by this.
4 inches, Thanks for watching
Thank you for sharing :) Just wanted to know, are this 52's or 56's leafs?
56, Thanks for watching
Use frame bolts. Tighten them and forget
Thanks for the tip
I make my own pinch nuts by smacking them with a hammer. Not perfect, but it works.
I've done plenty of times my self! Thanks for watching
Strange that they call that a shackle flip. No flipping just one and lowered😮
Hey if you use a punch on the edge of a regular nut it'll turn into a pinch nut.
Edit: and please dont use a dead blow on zerk fittings.
Yes, you can easily make your own pinch nuts. This kit came with them so I didn't have to worry with it, but thanks for pointing that out. I hear you on the zerk fittings but I was tapping them very easy. I should have just grabbed a socket. Thanks for watching!
@@Offroadfarm1 I appreciate the video. You were tapping lightly on the zerk, can't deny that. I meant more for the soft faced dead blow. I watched and had flashbacks of my dad catching me using this dead blow to bang nails. It ruined his dead blow and I learned a valuable lesson. Dont get caught with dads tools. Lol.
I also find it handy to use an all or a spike to line up the bushing sleeve on the other side when sliding a bolt thru. Works good for me. Thanks again.
You will surely want to get rid of those overload springs, way too stiff, omg, not! Unless hauling a very heavy trailor, please get rid of them!
I plan on working on the rear springs sometime in the future and there will be some springs pulled out of the pack. There will be no flex with what is in there currently. Thanks for watching!
Lol sound just like Kenny powers
That was a great show! Thanks for watching
I'm even cheaper than that. Cut a hole in the stock shackle mount put shackle in from bottom and Robert is your mother's brother
BAQDD ASS ! !
Thanks for watching
it will have less travel than std by flippin the shackles.nothing wrong with std ford, 4" blocks.it aint a race car.
shouldn't of tourqed those bolts until it had weight on it.
Which bolts are you referring to? Sweet XJ BTW!
@@Offroadfarm1 your leaf spring eye hole bolts.
now they will retain memory in that position of being unloaded and when you put its body weight on it it'll stretch those bushings more then from being in a loaded state and tear them faster than keeping it a neutral position because it will stretch the bushing more.
take your skin for example stretch it and then trying to stretch it again and see what happens
just trying to save you from doing more work but it may not due to those greaseable bolts idk I've never ran those
and ty
Thanks for the tip, and thanks for watching
chevys,,never buy a chevy,,everything is upside down..he could save a lot of drama & time,with 4" blocks,been on my f250 for 28 yrs,,no issues.you want height,,go buy a highboy,or cucv or power wagon,& stop stuffing around.
Right on man,sold my 75 hiboy,going to get another one, they are beasts.😉
@@jmangi6221 i was actually after a chevy as they had better laid out dashes,but,here in aus,theres buggerall of them.i got a h/boy,for 3k,auctions,4 wheel disced it,cut it to swb,f100 h/p front diff with locker.5 sp.,very rare truck here. its mainly a war between toyotas & nissans.i get ribbed a lot,but show them up.i also have the 82 bronco,62 f100 4x4,swb,with a 352FE,from susanville ca,&,a truck you never had,a 2002,s/duty,4.2tdi,MWM,german diesel.built in brazil,fitted to silverado,s too.killer diesel.watch vids f1000 mwm,or mwm silverado.that is 1000.theres a vid of one pushing a motor bike down the h/way...also have a 73 r/t 340 challenger.got ripped off buying it,but,goes up in value every yr.runs,no rust,sublime. we have shit laws here.every mod has to be engineered,can cost thousands.stay safe.