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- Calling all Dragon Age fans and tinfoils! In this video, we're diving deep into the world of Thedas and uncovering some of the most compelling theories for the upcoming release of Dragon Age. Get ready for an exciting ride as we connect the dots between five major theories, all while building up to one mighty, overarching hypothesis that's been around since the beginning of the Dragon Age games.
Our main focus will be on the theory that the Old Gods are the same as the elven gods, and we'll explore how this connects to each of the five major theories. Using in-game lore, dialogue, and clues dropped by the developers, we'll stack up evidence to make a compelling case for this theory and its implications for the next game in the series.
Join us as we explore each theory in detail, including the fate of the Grey Wardens, the true nature of the Dread Wolf, and the role of Solas in the upcoming game. You'll be amazed by the intricate connections we uncover and the mind-blowing possibilities they present for the next instalment of Dragon Age.
Whether you're a seasoned Dragon Age fan or just getting started, this video is a must-watch for anyone who wants to understand the intricate web of theories and possibilities that make this franchise so compelling. Get ready for an unforgettable journey through Thedas!
Intro: 00:00
Hypothesis: 01:52
Theory #1 - The Ancient Elves Are Originally Spirits/Demons: 03:53
Theory #2 - The Ancient Elves Created Bodies For Their Spirit’s To Inhabit: 11:58
Theory #3 - The Nature Of The Evanuris’s Divine Forms: 17:13
Theory #4 - What Happened When Solas Sundered The Elven Empire: 21:56
Theory #5 - The Dread Wolf Is A Sundered Spirit Of Solas: 31:13
Theory #6 - The Old Gods Are Sundered Elven Gods: 34:41
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Petition to yeet solas in DA4
I'm pinning this, pls like this comment to sign the petition!
I am so looking forward to absolutely kicking his ass in DA4
Wait, does this mean he gets forgotten from the DA4 storyline? because if so, I'll sign. I liked him until his late game reveal ruined his entire character. He just became another Anders done with less time building up to the turn.
Sign Here x_______________
I want to break his arm
Both of them
I just hope Dragon Age 4 doesn't end up like one of those cases where the theories were better than the final product
It is always like that
Giving how out there a lot of theories are that's probably gonna be the case... if one buys into fan speculations too much
That's bound to happen, by no fault of the writers. If you ever played a tabletop RPG campaign, you will know that if they care enough, the players will almost always come up with a better story than what the GM had planned, simply because there are several of them, but only one GM. It's the same here, just instead of 1 versus 4 or 5, it's a few tens versus hundreds of thousands.
Most likely, we don't have the pressure they have to make the game, and as the comment above says, a lot of people are giving ideas.
Also is very easy to come up with ideas than in theory sound good, but who knows how difficult is to actually put them on practice.
*stares in Game of Thrones*
Not gonna lie... I kind of want Solas to succeed, but in a way that won't slaughter everyone.
That seems to be the goal of the Inquisitor
Solas is gonna tear down the veil and we’re gonna have to find a way to restore it, reverse inquisitor style, mark my goddamn words
@@mattblack9161that’s kinda lame lol, the fade coming down and living with the aftermath is the most interesting thing that could happen
19:25 I kinda thought that Solas WAS Mythal's champion. It would explain him being "hot blooded and cocky" in his youth if he's always fighting on her behalf.
And why he had to “burn her off of his face”. He was her slave with her slave markings.
@@ZehnWaters yeah, exactly. Although, she probably didnt think of him as her slave. They seem close...
Ok but on the topic of body creation: the Qunari are likely extensions of this. Bull talks about the Tamasrans having theories that the Qunari have a bit of dragon blood mixed in, and during the final fight Corypheus mentions Qunari being "mistakes" if Bull is in the party/Adaar is Inquisitor.
I saw theory that Qunari were actually a race created by ancient elves as an experiment.
I actually thought that Solas, being an ancient elf, hate humans, but as I played Inquisition I learned that he valued life, and one could see the wisdom in having the life of others valued. Also he valued freedom.
Solas is a fantastic character. First time I ever went for a F+M romance in a Bioware game purely because I wanted more details from his story.
well on Trespasser DLC, he did says that at first he didn't see another races (humans, dwarf, qunari) as people, he just wanted to revive ancient elves civilization. But his time with The Inquisition and especially Inquisitor taught him otherwise.
Yea its bitter sweet, the eyes he views the world through. Valuing life, but also severely disassociating. To know the person he used to be as a confidant and rallier of people. To even see him in present day DA sharing all his stories about watching others and their events in the fade.
A story is only as good as it’s antagonist
He literally locked away all his people.
I love the superbly crafted story and background of the DA series.
And I love the character of Solas.
He seems like a great, tragic anti-Hero to me.
Love him so much! Superbly crafted, as you said.
1:32 This music brings back so many good memories, I can never forget the Dragon Age series .
Concerning Solas's nature as a god, and the Guardian Wolves:
It seems more like he was the General of Mythal's "wolf" guardians to me. Many of the wolf statues we see from the time of the ancient elves are guarding a statue of Mythal, and there's usually more than one around her. I think Solas was a trusted source of Wisdom, and a friend to Mythal, but not an Evanuris himself - or at least not yet. He was high-ranking but still a subordinate until he rebelled and removed her vallaslin.
"Bare-faced but free, frolicking fighting, fierce. He wants to give wisdom, not orders."
It's just like the Wisdom spirit that is forced to fight, against its nature, that twists into Pride and rebels against it masters. "All New, Faded For Her" is an anagram after all: "Dread Wolf, Fenharel".
And in the story of Fen'harel with Andruil and the Tree, he does seem to have a closer relationship to the Evanuris AND the Forgotten Ones than most elves might, but is still treated as more of a toy or plaything; again suggesting he wasn't a god himself at that time.
It's also possible that the Orb of Destruction isn't actually his, but was given to him by Mythal, or taken by him after her death. Revealed through a datamine, the orb was called Mythal's Orb in the game files. But datamining is always a sketchy way to get clues, and even if that was the original intention, the writers could have changed that plot point later in development. Still, fun to think about!
So maybe Solas was Mythal's champion, and is still fighting for her ideals - only regarded as a god himself in retrospect by the elves that survived the Veil? Or he earned his godhood like Ghilan'nain at some point before the Veil? But I think it's unlikely that wolves were Solas's champions, given that wolf statues are either alone, or in pairs that protect something else.
I actually like that theory and it could tie up to the Mythal is Adraste theory since in there is a text about Andraste's mabari and we know that mabari have wolf blood. We shall see
The GOAT Dragon Age TH-camr. Seriously, the way you can put together so much information is mind blowing. Bioware should be paying you cause your videos make me so excited for the next game, comic, book, anything Dragon Age related
Wow, thank you so much!! I really appreciate that!!
Kate Mulgrew was perfectly cast as Flemeth.😍
I always kind of wrote off the duality of Solas and Fen'Harel...but wow. This gave me pause, I think you are onto something. Especially with that new mural from DA4 where it looks like Solas is holding off Fen'Harel.
I have been in the "Elves were originally spirits" camp for a long time. Your hypotheses largely seem sound and touch on a lot of things I've speculated about as well, but I'm not sure I agree entirely with everything you suggest. For example, I don't think Solas is completely sundered from the Dread Wolf. I think they are still connected, with Solas being the physical form of the entity known as Fen'harel and the Dread Wolf being the spiritual form. I think Solas can choose to appear either as the Dread Wolf or the elven dude as he wishes - especially since his power up after absorbing Mythal or whatever he did - but probably it's very difficult to manifest as the Dread Wolf in the "real world" while the Veil is up since it’s the spirit form. That being said, in Tevinter Nights, it is strongly suggested that the Dread Wolf was manifesting in the real world - perhaps all the magic released in that ritual by the sacrificial slaughter of slaves helps by thinning the Veil there. And the Dread Wolf's speech in the Mortalitasi's Tale is in the Hallelujah cadence that is associated with Solas. YOU MEDDLE PAST YOUR UNDERSTAND- (8 syllables) / -ING, FOOLISH MORTAL MAGES, AND (8 syllables) / IN DOING SO, YOU THREATEN ALL CREATION. (11 syllables) / YOU USE MY IDOL CARELESSLY (8) / TO VANDALIZE THE SEA OF DREAMS. (8) / NOW FEEL THE PAIN OF WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED. (11) / FROM THIS MOMENT (4) / SHOULD YOU EVER (4) / BIND A SPIRIT (4) / THEN YOUR LIFE IS MINE. (5)
I could go on at length about why I also think there's a case to be made that the Veil may not exactly have *physically* separated the elves (and humans and qunari) from their spirit selves but it is late and I need to sleep!
(Also, Solas does follow up on the Dread Wolf's threat when he kills The Mortalitasi for binding a wisp to stir her drink.)
I still believe Mythal/Flemeth is Andraste. Because the stories kind of match up amd there would be no one left alive to confirm her identity only through statues. She did say "body is such limiting things." Love the channel Jack! Support from me! You're awesome and stay safe!!!
Oooo I like this ,🤔
I agree, also adding elvish decorations in the destroyed temple of Andraste... There are too many hints.
I think she isn't just Andraste, I think she's behind other myths
@@Fisva there must be a reason why they brought the ashes there, and wer fine with andraste being a dragon
I always thought it was one of her daughters who was Andraste and she was killed, forever making Flemeth hate the Chantry(even if she can't hate the people who genuinely believe in what her daughter began, she can just pity them for being used).
this is so embarrassing to admit, but even after multiple playthroughs, this clarified more about the backstory for me. thank you!
"Solas most likely YEETED the scene once he created the Veil" lmfao I'm dying laughing here. This video is *great*, I love the way you're bringing all these threads together into a unified whole. I'd bet a *lot* of this ends up being true or close to it!
I had to pause the video to laugh at this point 🤣
One theory I would like to know is what is sandal?
The maker
I think it's related to the titans and him possibly being able to have a connection to them.
I think he's a Sha Brytol, and I will die on that hill. 🤣
I'll do you one better. Why is Sandal?
@@alainecollins6532 What if? 🤔😮😮
Maybe the Red Lyrium Idol IS Andruil? That would explain Solas' obsession with obtaining it.
Ahh love these theories! Got me thinking about applying the grey warden method of killing the archdemon to the dread wolf form and whether, as an inquisitor who held Solas' power (and maybe even a soul shard like Mythal did with the locket!) in their mark, would be the only one "tainted" enough to kill it and bring the soul into themselves. It would be such a sad way for the inquisitor to go but I think it would make sense; it would link back to both sacrificing your warden in origins as well as the whole Solas doesn't want to die alone script- the inquisitor as his friend, enemy or lover would join him as well :(
You sacrificed your warden? 😪
@@hakimh157 not my main one! but I did sacrifice one of my others :( the main canon is that the warden sacrifices themselves tho
Personally I like the theory of the old gods being the champions of the Evanuris. That way the Evanuris are still trapped in the fade. I feel like it would make for a better story in the long term. Plus it would make sense as too why Mythal would want their souls preserved. As the Evanuris betrayed her. But their champions would be bound to follow them and not have a choice. If the old gods were the Evanuris Mythal and Solas likely would want them destroyed as they both still seem to hold a grudge.
That actually makes a bit more sense to me, considering there are 3 female elven gods not including Mythal and only one female old god.
Which would explain why she gave morrigan the ritual to preserve the old god’s soul in origins so she can later get it from Kieran
I'm quite certain the Evanuris are locked behind Eluvians and the Old Gods/Evanuris high priests are either the keys or have something to do with the keys.
Sandal is the most powerfull being in the Dragon age universe period LOL 😂😂😂 Solas who"s that.
Great video btw keep it up👍
this is hardly related to the video but.. does anyone think it would be interesting to see a previous hero turn against the DA4 protagonist/side with the antagonist at least for an intense mission or battle? like, if you insure that your inquisitor drank from to well - maybe they will fight for mythal if it comes down to it?
That would be both awesome and heartbreaking in the same time. Leaving Hawke behind in the fade was hard enough, but actually having to fight a former protagonist would be even harder... and I love it xD I love when games tug at my heartstrings xD Still, I do have the feeling that if the Inquisitor did drink from the well (as mine did), something bad will eventually happen. Perhaps she (or he) will eventually be forced to fight for Mythal no matter what and the next protagonist will have to strike her/him down. Perhaps she/he will even ask for the next hero to do it, before they lose control of themselves completely. I hope not though, at least not before she/he gets a proper closure with Solas.
This could also happen with Hawke as well. If Hawke was left in the Fade, it's possible the Nightmare possessed Hawke's body, and will then have to be either killed with the host or exorcised by the new protag.
I know it's not really a hero but I honestly think Merrill could end up having a pretty big enemy appearance depending on the route you choose in da2.
Yeah I’d like to see an Inquisitor who romanced Solas & drank from the well side with him against Morrigan, the Hero of Ferelden, Varric, Cassandra & a few new members. These characters all have so much to do with the stories in the universe that I don’t think it’s a case of reusing characters for the sake of familiarity. They’re all important.
God, I am obsessed with this. I recently got back into DA while catching up with the comics and Tevinter Nights, so I'm glad people like you exist, Jackdaw, to quench my thirst for content. I don't have the brainpower to come up with my own theories, thank you for your service!
Thank you so much for watching, I'm so glad you enjoyed! Thank you!
Loved your summary on the nature of spirits/demons! I personally view them in the same way you'd view a knife: they're like a blank tool that can be used to provide, to create, and to save, while also being something that can be turned into pain, destruction, and death. A knife is both while still being neither fully. Spirits and demons are shaped by their touches with living beings, as the encounter with the Wisdom spirit seems to illustrate this. It makes me wonder if there would ever be a way to turn a stronger demon back to a "pure" purpose? I'd love to see a path for that with a high-leveled mage perhaps as a story-turning opportunity in the next game!
Maybe the Evanuris killed Mythal to take her power, which is why they all manifest as dragons leading the Blight. She's a dragon, and they stole her form or maybe parts of her soul, and the Blight happened with that act.
You are such an underrated creator. You only have 26k subs and you make top tier content that I'd see from big creators.
Wonderful job, and as always, I love your dragon age content ♡
Yes! It's always so exciting when you post a new video. I loved the progression of interconnecting theories.
The only thing I can think to add is I feel like there could be a connection between Andraste and Mythal. I believe the story goes that Andraste prayed and sang to the gods but none would answer her save for the Maker. She swore to pray to none other than the Maker and later began her crusade against the Imperium. To me, this sounds similar to the ancient elves swearing themselves to the service of one of the Evanuris. It's also a little like if the Inquisitor drank from the Well; they became Mythal's servant and were subject to her will. What if it was Mythal, not the Maker, that answered her prays, then set Andraste on the path of vengeance? That Andraste had only daughters seems similar to the Flemeth and her daughters too, as you already mentioned.
I've always believed Solas and Fen'Harel were two separate entities. Excellent Theories Jack! Thanks for this video.
we need a meme of Solas Yeeting various scenes now lmao!
Love this video! Thank you Jack!
now this... *slaps roof of video* is good stuff
This was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. One principal piece of information that I LOVE - the disconnection of omnipotency by splintering entities of their entirety on all planes of existence. (Some Gnostic creation mythos in there too) Portions of them may be omnipotent, but most can effectively be 'ended.' (Note I didn't say killed.) Speculations lie ahead...
Perhaps Mythal is whatever she is because of being murdered by the other gods before the veil was created. Maybe that affected her being in ways that the others were not. Maybe she survived by some unforeseen cataclysm that left her connected to herself in ways that the others are not - like the forming of the veil. Imagine dividing your living room into 3 bedrooms, each with doors to each other, each with a segment of the person who owns the house. One for the fade, the material world, and the beyond. While the others' were 'locked', one of Mythal's doors were open because she wasn't bound to form, and in walking through it, she was able to connect to pieces of herself that she can move to and from herself as she deems. But she can't be whole until the veil is destroyed, as can be said for the rest of the gods. "So long as the music plays, we dance." I don't know but I'm stoked to see how it all comes together, and how it all ends. If they do end up turning the 'bedrooms back into a living room' in DA4, it will mean all new lore, new limitations, new freedoms, new morals and ethical responsibilities, new enemies, new friends, and new challenges.
So when the HOF killed Flemeth, would a piece of Mythal been destroyed or?
@@thewarden3554 Think of it like a note you leave for yourself. The pen is still writing on other notes, but the note you've already written is Flemeth. Flemeth talks as herself to the HoF but then at the camp near kirkwall in DA2 she says "Must I be in one place at a time? Bodies are such limiting things..." that is Mythal talking and hinting at the fact that she is in more places than one. Therefore, Flemeth is unbound from Mythal when you meet her in DAO. She maybe tied in someway like the well of sorrows ties, and she can remember memories of and actions taken by Mythal (having hosted her), but as for power - I think the reason Mythal moves her "form" has to do with events and situations that she has been setting up for a VERY VERY VERY long time (through countless willing daughters and followers). "Sometimes a shove....." Which leads me to also believe that Morrigan's dark ritual is considered cannon (as if Mythal has intended for 'Flemeth" to die, (like she may have as Andraste as well) for Morrigan to think she needed to kill her mother...) because a Goddess would know the way of men and women thousands of lifetimes over... And in the same way that Flemeth could recall Mythal's memories, life, power, and form, the being at the end of DAI is a piece but not the whole. And I am certain Solas knows it as well... perhaps that is why he looks that way after absorbing whatever was there in that form of Mythal. It may be possible for Mythal to collect the piece she lost to Solas by using something similar to the ritual in DA2, which she may have completed JUST BEFORE Solas appears in the scene, meaning that Solas in effect moved Mythal by ending the life of that shell... as the HoF did to Flemeth as seen by Mythals appearance in DA2.
Gonna need some extra tinfoil for this one:
What if Solas is the Maker?
What if Andraste held an aspect of Mythal?
What if Andraste's revolution was Solas's first attempt at tearing down the veil, but if failed when she burned?
It would give some reasoning for the Ashes having magical capabilities, but I admit it's a pretty far reach.
Tbh I’ve had a feeling and just from codexs that andraste was a mage herself
I was thinking the same. Lore says that "The Maker created the Veil and then the humans". We know that there is no human records before the veil was created. So it is very possible that Solas is the maker. He made the Veil, and because of his actions (maybe chaos in other lands) the humans arrived to Thedas. Andraste could be like Flemeth, a mage hosting her spirit. Altough she was "married" to the maker so that gets confusing. Because then he should be the god of revenge. Maybe Mythal and Solas had an affair and thats why her husband killed her? And then they got reunited for a while as Solas and Andraste? I kind of remember that Andraste was very pro elf, didnt she have a elf follower? What if he was Solas?
I always keep coming back to your channel for DA content, just can't beat it honestly 🥰
You made me finally understand the mysteries of Dragon Age so flawlessly.
Something tells me anders will come back out of the woodwork, assuming of course he's alive
Even if he is not technically alive, we do know that Justice returns to the fade if Anders is killed. And since we have seen the spirit of compassion (Cole) take the aspect of a human he felt connected with, the same could happen with Justice/Anders, thus bringing him back. It would be interesting to see.
I agree with almost all of this theory except: I see no evidence that dragons were the form of any other god than Mythal. We see owls, hares, halla, etc. but never dragons when it comes to them. And: when Solas stabs Mythal, we don't see any extra "soul" when she "dies". I think that's because she simply got a piece of herself back when she took Urthemiel from Kieran.
What really sealed it for me was actually your point about the librarian: she is split into separate aspects of herself, they aren't all the full Mythal: beauty, night, etc. even slaves, are all individual aspects of her complex nature.
So satisfying to see other people coming to the same conclusions that I did! I replayed DA Origins with dlcs half a year ago and it was then when I noticed a pattern in the whole Evanuris / Ancient gods / Archdemons story. I must say that you me rethink some aspects of my theory though. Thanks for a great video!
The fact that you catch such small details just blows my mind. I literally build my Thedas worldview based on a lot of your theories because *WOW*.
i know it's pretty fanfic-y but it ties to Mythal's body swapping, i think it would be pretty interesting if at some point in DA4, Mythal manages to exist in the Inquistor's body if they drank from the Well. Mostly because it would make some good story moments depending on the relationship between Solas and Inky
Just don't forget that not every Inquisitor drank from the well, not every Inquisitor is a Lavellan, and not every Lavellan romanced Solas.
Also don't forget that Flemeth says to Morrigan "A soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling; you were never in any danger from me", meaning Mythal cannot simply force the body swap unless the host is 100% willing to accept it.
I had a theory too that ancient elves apart from fundamentally being spirits the fade wasn't a thing until the stroke the titans , i believe that the places where eluvians take you are parts of a titan reformed by the elves and the fade is the head of the titan ,that would partly describe how Solas separate the fade from the world as he would perform something oike tranquility to the Titan
You know what’s super interesting?! In origins going to the circle tower, where the mage collective guy is, there were mages talking to each other and one of them theorized or asked the other if the world is the dream of someone else or a higher being. Where the being dreamed of the blights, and everything else
One point: Flemeth didn’t last this long by transferring herself into her daughters, because only a willing host can be possessed by her. She currently has two daughters in canon that we know of.
I do hope we'll be able to go to the black city finally, it would be awesome
Еlves, divided by a veil into a part of the mind and part of the spirit - this is a grandiose find!
I am glad that you found the constituent parts of this theory and proved it. This is the first step.
The second step is to find a match between EG and OG. It's not just fun. When you compare them correctly, you will see LORE will begin to give you more information and reveal more details.
I guess Mythal needed the soul of a particular OG, not all of them.
It may also not have been in vain that the doors of Halamshiral were opened with the help of halla figurines.
Halla, not galla. But I get your point.
I'm so glad I found this! I have had the same theory for a while that the old gods and the Elvhen pantheon as one and the same considering the similar powers/things they are gods of from what I saw. Even further, I theorized that the Chantry's story of how Andraste came to be the bride of the maker kinda runs similar to how the Elvhen gods killed Mythal... and possibly with Fen'Harel and Mefareth the betrayer being the one who causes the deaths in both stories. Maybe a stretch there but I'm curious what others think
Edit: I should have finished the video before writing lol - you kind of touched on this idea too!
My main question/train of thought is what if Solas is wrong? Where Cole was born a human mage embodied by Compassion, what if “Solas” was born an Elvan mage embodying pride; it would explain his desire to see elves at the seat of power and the complete erasure of all of the other races as beings from before the Veil. Cole knew exactly what/who Solas was within their first meeting and through much of the dialogue of wisdom being changed to pride it would make sense that no one truly knows the beginning but are simply clamouring to ensure that they’re the apex predator. (It wouldn’t be the first time a spirit/demon led someone to false idolatry and beliefs of grandeur.)
The only beings not touched by magic are dwarves but we learn almost immediately that that’s not true upon meeting Sandal who through pure knowledge of enchantment killed a bunch of blighted creatures and without enchantment able to freeze a blighted ogre… idk maybe I’m wrong
The Cole we know ISN'T the Human Mage Cole...He died and is gone. The Spirit of Compassion simply mimicked his form and knows his thoughts but still knows it's a Spirit that also become like a Demon too. By Inquisition he's both and neither at the same time.
@@flamesofchaos13 That doesn't disclude the rest of the theory from being plausible.
But weren't Solas said that "This is all he ever was," if asked if he's just a piece of Fen'Harel in Trespasser?
Okay lemme add this, in relation to the Dread Wolf, remember all the stuff in DAO concerning the Brecilian Forest? So we've the ruins with the Eluvian, confirming with this and lore that the ruins dated back to a time before the Veil with clear relations between humans and elves due to the human architecture present within the ruins with statues of elven gods and idols. Even relations with dwarves were described, but then war was mentioned between the tevinters as they crippled the elven empire.
Now we swing to Witherfang, a spirit who takes the form of a wolf due to being bound by Zarharian! Perhaps something similar was done to the wolves that were once the companions of the Emerald Knights!? We also know that werewolves are usually the result of demons (excluding the Danish incident, who i would say was a spirit as they didn't seem corrupted) who then infect others, with lore going all the way back to the black age at least, so there's a distinct correlation between the fade and animals in that concern.
So very interesting
"the Danish incident" is quite the hilarious autocorrect moment at 2am
Hopefully in Dragon Age 4 you can finish the upgrades to Skyhold. I hate the half-ass upgrades to Skyhold.
I always look forward to your videos and you did not disappoint. Thank you for an amazing video!!
I think you have struck upon some truths, the future will determine the degree. I appreciate the amount of thinking and research you put into it.
So the 2 murals at 33:33 and 34:00. 7 OGs and possible hidden OG stricken from history (Draconis), and 7 EGs plus betrayed Mythal. The first mural has 5 darkened circles out of 7. The 5 blights? 5 dead OGs? The second mural only shows 2 Elven figures along with the Dread wolf. Could be another connection.
Also which Gods are left and which correlate to the Elven gods. The Elven figures look like one male and one female. Ghiannain has been getting more attention lately so maybe her. The last 2 OGs are about night and mystery so I’m stuck between Dirth and Elgan. Elgan had to do with the sun so maybe night is his corrupted self. Dumar and silence could work for Dirth and Elgan was the like the leader or father so it makes sense to keep him.
Speaking of characteristics, how do the Gods line up? Best I can figure is Dumat or Razikale =Dirth, Toth=Syl, Uthemial=Falcon’din, zazikel or andorel=Andruil, Lusecan=Elgan, the others I don’t know.
I wonder if Solas' plan centers aroundhim needing to weaken his old colleagues before he can bring the elves back, so that when they too are brought back he can actually defeat them in a better way. I mean, if he were to just tear down the veil, restore everything, wouldn't they too return with the elves?
Either way, great video!
Love it Jack! Such great theories!
Thanks so much!
Great upload! Already looking forward to the next one!
I love these videos and appreciate the amount of work you must put into these videos really are great quality.
I hope we get rhys and evangline as companions i wanna see how evangline will be able to use wynnes spirit
Always love these types of videos. They give me something to think about between clown makeup and tinfoil hat polishing sessions … and the eventual release of DA4.
Since the Jaws of Hakon DLC, I too have felt the elven gods and the old gods are one and the same. Learning about Razikale and seeing the similarity to Dirthamen, then you can go through each one of the gods and see how they mirror.
I also think that Solas is the "Maker" that the Chantry speaks of. So it CAN be true that the Maker created the veil. I also feel that Flemeth and Andraste might be originally the same person as well. Hmm, could the Chant of Light be a spell that could have helped slow red lyrium or the blight or something with the veil? 🤔
The only problem I have with the theory about elves being spirits with bodies or sundered spirits, is that spirits supposedly only exhibit 2 aspects. Wisdom/Pride, Justice/Vengeance and the elves, Solas and Flemeth/Mythal exhibit other aspects apart from 2. For example, a romanced Solas exhibits desire, love, despair, regret. Maybe the accepted "truth" about spirits only exhibiting 2 aspects is incorrect or incomplete. Or as with everything DA related our "knowledge" is oversimplified. Regardless, your theories have merit, and as always keep tin-foiling. 👍
Solas and Mythal showcase the *True* aspect of Spirits...Not those of the New World divided into the Fade and Thedas (into Two Halves), Not those corrupted and changed by the dogma of the people. In other words they're not meant to just be 2 things Truer Spirits are capable of adapting to their circumstances and experiences. Like Cole did too...Seemingly Cole is the first Spirit/Demon since the Veil went up to break the curse of being just a spirit/demon becoming something more becoming both at the same time and neither too alongside becoming mortal/human if that option was chosen.
Also Solas isn't the Maker. The Maker if anything in the Elvhen Myths is the Sun the Father of Elgar'nan the Spirit of Vengeance that turned against his son and his son turned against him while being a negative "virtue". You know like the Chantry says how the Maker literally cast aside his firstborn (Spirits) and the First Sin the Original Sin WASN'T the Magisters seeking power in the Golden City it was Mortals worshiping Spirits as Gods. What are the Evanuris in these theories? A: Spirits being worshipped as Gods. Also the Chantry's symbolism is literally a Sun...It's been right there in front of our eyes since Origins the codex about the origins of the Evanuris and the symbolism. Bioware even cements into our psyche with Ameridan in the Jaws of Hakkon dlc the idea that *BOTH* the Maker and Elvhen Gods are Real and they're not contradictory ideas.
The Chantry has been proven misguided but it should be noted that doesn't mean they've been disproven as a source of info...In fact there's more evidence that the Chant of Light is telling us the truth rather than lies. In short they're wrong about some things yes but they're not completely wrong. It's not wise to negate it all as a lie or misinformation. It's wise to correlate it with other sources...Then we learn they've been wrong about the origins of the Blight/Taint and Veil, But they've been right about the issues between the Maker and Spirits and what has broken the universe. The worship of Spirits acting as False Deities and corrupting all of existence (Veil, Blights/Taint/Red Lyrium, Destruction/Sundering/Tranquilizing of the Titans those that keep the physical realm in existence etc).
@@flamesofchaos13 When I say that I believe Solas is the Maker doesn't mean I believe there IS an actual Maker or that it's him, it means that the references in the chantry of the Maker seem to reference his actions as the Maker's actions. It sounds as though your theory is that humans were "created" by the Maker (a sentient being?/Sun) and not that the right environment was conducive to humans living where they couldn't before the veil's creation (ie migration). I suppose it's possible that your theories of the Maker/Chantry are accurate. If it's one thing you can count on in DA is "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" as far as I am concerned everything is on the table to challenge and question. That being said I still do believe Flemeth/Mythal is Andraste so the Chantry is still mostly incorrect. I agree that if there is a Maker much of your theory stands up and maybe that bit in the Chantry could be accurate.
Now the part I find very interesting in what you said, it makes sense about the spirits being true vs sundered. Which takes me to a theory I've had swimming in the back of my mind, the origin of humans and qunari. With the veil's creation some spirits were stuck on the physical plane and maybe something similar to what Cole did, happened and all the life we have excepted as "real" is just "true" spirits in physical form. Which is what Solas believes everyone is, but we're wanting to disprove him and prove that we are "real" and maybe we aren't. However, THANK YOU for your input. LOVE DA debate/discussion!😃👍
@@surrealcalysta Well actually no I don't believe the Maker even exists or at least not the Andrastians vision of Maker. I do think that Humans just came from well nature and yeah migrated. I was just saying if anything is a reference to the Maker in Elvhen Myth and Lore it's the Sun. If I'm wrong and he does exist than I think the Sun of the Elvhen Myth is another name for the Human's Maker.
As for Solas actions inspiring the Chant of Light and idea of the Maker sure I can see that. They most certainly stole/converted Avvar faith ideas into their own the symbol of the Eye and Sword in Andrastianism is actually originally the Avvar Sky-Goddess symbol. So they're not above taking inspiration from other faiths and cultures.
I also think there's a connection to Andraste and Mythal...Not Flemeth if anything Flemeth is an daughter in Andraste's line given she's just a mortal host...The Soul of Mythal is the "Goddess" part the part that resurrects and body hops.
But what you're saying there if I understand you correctly is that Solas is more wrong not less. Because if Humans and Qunari are True Spirits made physical they're both Truer and Realer than the Elves and Demons we've seen that are pale or twisted imitations. Though I think the Elves are True Spirits given physical bodies that's what makes them Elves...So I think Humans and Kossith/Qunari/Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth aren't.
I could see Humans being the Impure or Twisted Imitations instead but unlike Demons have a broader range of ideals and emotions than a single value...so Impure Demons/Misguided Spirits? For Qunari they have a natural aggression but created a system to keep themselves in check, They were also created by something else and they once worshiped Spirits before the founding of their Qun...If they're originally Spirits they sound like they're the Corrupted kind I.E. Demons that found a way to become Uncorrupted or where uncorrupted by something for an unknown reason. The single-minded mentality of aggression or maintaining order indicates they're the Black and White kind of Spirits akin to Wrath and Justice, In other words that they came into existence after the Veil/because of the Veil...That they were a "mistake".
I hope not, Solas being the Maker would be SUPER boring.
@@flamesofchaos13 Yeah I agree about the origin of the Maker just being the Sun from Elven Lore. I agree with you about the Andrastians reinterpreting other faiths and symbolism. Which I might add is a very realistic concept. As far as Flemeth, she's not the original Flemeth, hopping through daughters. Also, Andraste was Alamarri, Flemeth was mostly associated with the Alamarri, the story of being betrayed by her husband they share, the story of leading an uprising they share, the story of being killed they share. so the question for me is who came first Flemeth or Andraste because they sound like the same person or have eerily similar stories and came from the same place. LOL wouldn't put it past the writers. 😃 If not, like you said definitely related in a blood sense. Maybe Mythal was in Andraste then her host was destroyed and she hung out in the Alamarri jail where Flemeth was housed when she cried out for help? idk lol just too similar for me.
That one theory (about mortals being spirits with bodies) is the thing I have in the back of my mind and not my primary theory. I also mostly think humans aren't spirits, but Solas seems to think so, I feel he is wrong but I know better than to count out Solas as not knowing what he's talking about. I believe the qunari race (not religion) their "bodies" are a mix between elves and dragons (perhaps like the forgotten ones), either intentionally or through experimentation and maybe we should look at bodies and spirits/souls as being separate entities.
If you've noticed I have a million theories many of which can't coexist together. I'm not giving "the answer or my answer" I'm posing a question and things to consider. I'm not sitting in a place where I believe I'm right or ANYONE is right, cuz I don't think ANY of our opinions are 100% accurate. I think for me as a Solavellan who believes they only way to "defeat" Solas is to convince him his calculations are inaccurate and he chooses to not pursue his course of action, meaning prove we are "real" and not be destroyed or as an elf, have the veil torn down and hope for the best.
I'll tell you what I'm for, a world where the elves are equal and have there own nation with respected borders like the humans have, I'm for a world where elves can coexist peacefully and be respected by other races. If that world can't exist then I say let it burn. 😈
I can see from your theories, an analogy to Harry Potter's villain Voldemort, in that Mythal, being a spirit of protection and justice with some revenge, that she put parts of her spirit in several things including the amulet, Morrigan's son, her daughters and Solas, (Fen'harel) so that she can survive and continue her mission of protection, her idea of justice or revenge, or she's reached her limit and passed this on to Solas to continue this, during the next Dragon Age. I will certainly be listening more closely to both Solas and Cole when I go through the game again before DA4 comes out.
Your theories reminded me of Riordan saying the reason why it has to be a Grey warden to slay the archdemon. "While they are an empty souless vessel, a greywarden is not" it makes me think of anders and justice. mainly the part where he says he corrupted justice when he took him in. If they do turn out to be old gods i am curious if it would not be some how connected to what happened there and is the reason for the death of a normal warden that would kill an arch demon. Not to mention Alistar when you question him in dao he says it isn`t a real dragon but it certainly looks like one.
You got me hyped
Great video thanks!
Love the analysis and how you brought it all together! I also hope DA4 satisfies expectations.
Excellent theories! I am sad i haven't found you sooner.
I just hope we get more answered on ancient elves and their world and culture, ancient times, pre-veil world, spirits, origins of blight, Evanuris and what they were like.. this whole narrative is most interesting part of DA lore to me. Mythal was Justice and probably turned to Vengeance when she was slain.
Hey, Jack, thank you again for your great insights. Your theories always have me stop and think that I want to go through DAI again and again to read every bit of codex and books. If Bioware has seen your videos they should employ you to add to their storyline, they could really benefit from your insight.
Aw thank you so much for saying that!!
The Evanuris were alien astronauts that found a way to teleport to a planet that could support their life. They probably found wildlife already there, and then associated with their favorite ones and also explored the planet and found the lyrium and decided to make bodies that could traverse this planet better than their alien bodies. Also, Titans are probably huge rocky mountainous creatures that make up the planet, and if they wake up, then the whole planet will break apart. As you can see, my tinfoil hat is wrapped around my head pretty tightly LOL
All of these implications make me so excited for DA4. Also, I'm so curious as to how magic operated before the veil! The world then must have been so absolutely wild.
Head up, this has nothing to do with the content, although I really appreciated that you put so much tin-foiling into one video (I can get lost sometimes :p). You have a great speaking voice, you're clear, concise and easy to understand, so thanks!!! For all that you do!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that!!!!
Literally have SO MUCH LOVE for your videos 🙏🙌✨
Thank you so much!!
What also gets me, is that in so many ancient dwarven places we visit, there always seems to be an element of elven magic, and stories or questions of elves in the Deep Roads - how does that all tie up !?! 😋
I like the content. I'm only concerned if BioWare in its current state will be able to honor rich lore of it's years old universe in all it's details.
I have my doubts.
I just love how in the games some characters you thought were good ended up evil, some evil ended up good and some, exist between. Finally my personal favorite, and why I love Loghain's character, someone who believes they are good and in the end are left unsure yourself as to if the ends justified the means.
Another point to #3 is that, when a Dalish Warden is asking Morrigan about shapeshifting, they can mention that some Dalish keepers have practiced similar magic. We don't hear anything about any humans besides Morrigan and Flemeth changing their shape, not even among the Avvar or Chasind who we might expect to. It's purely an elven thing, passed to Morrigan due to her mother being Mythal, and passed on down the generations of elven mages.
Vivianne mentions that the circle has documented information on Shapeshifting and that they even have developed techniques to prevent then from transforming or to revert back to normal. She never mentions something about being an elven exclusive magic.
Also on Origins you fight Shapeshifter mages in for Drakkon. So it is not something lost or practiced by elves only.
> Mythal was known to be able to shift into a dragon form
> Flemeth carried within her "whatever was left of Mythal" and she could shift into a dragon too
> In DA:I Solas "absorbed" Flemeth
Could this mean we will get Solas as a dragon? And fight him or something.
I love your videos and have followed you for years that being said I hope the developers and writers actually had a long term plan for the story line and are not making it up as they go along! I would love to see all of us be pleasantly surprised by what the truth is!! I hope none of us are right.
I think Mythal possessed Solas at the end of DA:I because when mythal controlles whoever drank from well her eyes look a certain way so when she turned to stone solas eyes looked the same and before she turn to stone she said "im sorry too" which could mean she took his body.
Love how solas hates everything about the modern thedas even though it's all completely his fault
Jackdaw quenching our dragon age thirst in this dry spell. 🧋
A nearly 40-minute long video? What did we do to deserve this?!
THIS, actually does make tons of sense! I really believe you are right or very close to the truth! This makes me NOT hate Solas anymore! He is trying to right a mistake from long ago! Brilliant, just brilliant! Great vid, keep up the great work! ;)
Still to this day no game has captured my soul in the way that dragon age franchise has.
the character work and your decision making is what really keeps me replaying these games over and I cannot wait for dragon age 4 it’s going to be game of the year again hopefully and its gonna blow rpg games out of the water 🌊
Great video as always! But with all the speculation about Solas being a spirit and what not....what did Lavellan ment to him? Cuz he calls her "my love" and all that. I've always wondered what he wanted to say before he kissed Lavellan a second time "It would be easier in the long run, but losing you would...." What?
I think it was to showcase just how strong his feelings for the Inquisitor were at that moment. They weren't in an official relationship yet, and he already knew how painful it would be to lose her love, despite it being easier in the long run. In fact, one of the writers says that the moment he breaks up with her is a moment where he almost told her the truth. He was already so in love with her at that moment that he almost gave up everything for her. He realised the power she had over him and decided to break it off before it got further. It was probably also why he vanished for so long after the end of the game and only showed up when he had to, or why he stays away from her in her dreams in Trespasser. He knows that she is the only person that could possibly change his mind and get him to stop, so he is doing everything he can to keep his distance, but at the same time he can't force himself to leave, hence why he still watches over her dreams. I hope that there is a happy resolution for them. It physically hurts to know that two people are so in love with each other and yet are unable to be together. I especially love his line in Trespasser where he says that he would cherish the chance to be wrong. He doesn't want to do this but he feels he has to. He would be happy if the Inquisitor found another way and he could save his people and be with her as well. I imagine that just as with Cole when you help him pick to become more human or not, Solas may have become more human as well over the course of the game. If you tell Cole to be a spirit, he still wants to help, but he is more of a third party, caring simply because that is who he is. If he becomes more human, he forms bonds and relationships. Perhaps that is foreshadowing for what will happen to Solas depending on your choices. He will become a spirit and cease caring, or become more human and give in to his emotions and bonds that he developed with other people especially the Inquisitor.
@@MartynkaB97 Omg thank you! My thoughts were something like that and now you cleared the picture! The line were he says "I would never lay with you under false pretenses.." or something like that, got me confused. Was he referring to him not saying he was the dread wolf or ...?
@@ivirana0 To me it was more about not sleeping with her while she did not know who he really was. I hated that about Blackwall's romance. He lied about his identity, slept with the Inquisitor and then left. I don’t think I would have been able to forgive something like that. In my point of view that was something that Solas wanted to avoid. It's a wonderful example of how romance can exist without sex being at the forefront. It kind of balances with what you have if you romance Bull. Both are beautiful but for different reasons. Like I said before, Solas was already deeply in love with her at that point. He would not want to betray her further that he already was. He would be lying with her under false pretenses as Solas the apostate, a fabrication to attach himself to the Inquisition and not as who he really was. He didn’t want her to be with a lie and would not do so until she knew the truth.
Also I have a thought. The elven Vallaslin were tattoos that marked elven servants to particular gods. The video mentions that The Evanuris used lyrium to 'create bodies'. Possibly the Evenuris use LYRIUM to tattoo thier own faces with a unique Vallaslin which gave them their magic (or enhanced their magic to god level). And how would Red Lyrium Vallaslin affect them if they tested it--it certainly could be the manner in which the Blight corrupted the Evanuris making the such a world ending threat that Fen-Harel had to sunder them by creating the veil.
Andraste is Flemeth from a time she tried a nice God approach, but the betrayal killed that idea.
Maybe the evanuris using the calling to become tainted and, therefore, awakened, is for the purpose of getting themselves killed. Once Tainted, they would lose knowledge of this plan, but when concocting it knew that others would rise to defeat them, returning that aspect of their souls to the fade to reunite with the other part(s).
The old gods being the elven god is a really good one
It was fun to listen to these theories and they make a lot of sense! Thanks for compiling lots of information. I've never thought of Solas being a separate being from the Dread Wolf but I agree with your hypotheses now. So excited about the 4th game! 🍉 Btw, I've been always reading how people hated Solas after the trespasser but I always felt like he was just trying to save someone or some people and had to make important decisions. Now that he woke up to another dystopia, he saw that his effort was kind of meaningless, and it was time to restore what he sacrificed as much as he can (another important decision to make, maybe he's having a hero complex because he was the champion of a god?). Probably in DA:D, we'll make him believe this world also makes sense to most of people so that he gives up being an apocalyptic psycho 😆
I have theorized that Mythal has used Flemeth’s daughters to keep herself from falling entirely to her Vengeful side.
My pants are still missing; any theories huh
Lol I just watched your comment 11 years ago!
It was the Schleets
200% the Schleets did it...Look I know the Warden was fucking with you. But they're real deviously dangerous creatures out there I tell you all!
Oooh new theory. Whomever you sent into the fade could come back as a spirit in a Latium body. Especially if it was Hawke.
I'm here for some tin foil hats and crafts! New subscription here. I'm a new fan. I played Origins for the first time a month ago after falling in love with Inquisition about 6 months ago. I had to go back and play everything! My goodness, the lore is deep! I'm so excited to go down the foil lined rabbit hole with you!
Lyrium bodys are Cannon? Remember, if you kill leliana in Origins then the ver of her in Inquision isn't human. : )
two things i wanna know: 1. will DA4 will even happen? 2. will DA4 finally go back to its roots of superior DAO? (even i enjoyed some parts and many characters of DAI and a few stuff of DA2) but i miss the dark setting and the old gameplay
I’ve modded and played through DAO at least a dozen times.
It is by far the best game in the series.
My Dwarven Warden is still fighting darkspawn in depths below until he finally succumbs to the darkness.
I don't think Solas was speaking literally when he said the Veil took "even themselves." The creation of the Veil destroyed everything the elves had. The only thing that's left of their glory is fragments of their language, fragments of history, a lot of which is unreliable legends, and ruins scattered across Thedas. The entire eleven culture became dust in the wind, left to accumulate as stories and legends. I think that's what he meant when he said the Veil took everything, even themselves. The Veil took their empire, their culture, their very identity. I could be wrong, but that's just how I see it.
I think the creation of the Veil separated the Evanuris into two parts. One part living in the Fade and one part living in the real world. It also separated or sundered their magical technology. Without magic their creations no longer functioned as they wished and decayed with disuse. It's as if all of a sudden electricity didn't work. It wasn't destroyed, but the underlying pairing of opposites, out of which it was created, was suddenly unable to pair.
All i know is.... if Kathrine Mulgrew does not make an appearance in DATV, im going to riot.
The more I dive into Solas theories, the more he sounds like Morpheus, Dream of the Endless.
So random event I wanted to share. I was out on a walk this morning. I heard a crow caw (not something unheard of where I live but also not exactly common). My mind immediately expected to hear "Hey folks, Jackdaw here."
Haha that's amazing!!! Thank you for sharing that!
Cole possessed no body. He formed his own, much like the legend of June creating himself.
I sware listening to Jackdaw is like getting a fix it's just ughhhh I need my Dragon Age theories and conversations daily.
The Forgotten ones we supposedly kill during the first 3 games we are missing the formless one. The evanuris are greedy mages possibly infused spirits. I'm thinking the maker is a titan.