Metropolitan and District 1989 Driver's eye view
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- Video125.com is the home of the original Driver's eye views. Established 1984. In 1989, the Hammersmith and City line was still known as part of the Metropolitan line. This is a Driver's eye view from Hammersmith to Whitechapel (where the H&C trains used to terminate) on board an unpainted aluminium C stock train and a District D stock service from there to Ealing Broadway. A lot has changed; witnessed by our recent re-shoot on board S stock trains.
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I was 9 when this was shot. Living in Germany as Dad was stationed there (he was in the army). Am I the only one who watches these old videos and wistfully gazes at the fashion, cars, adverts, etc and wishes for those simpler days again?
No not at all. I am roughly the same age as you and feel the same
Rail enthusiast from India. I was born in 1989. I believe UK had contributed a lot to Indian Railways. The video and narration are grippy. TGVs bought me to Video125. Can't stop watching them all. Super Amused.
Nope, I wouldn’t go back to those days
No you are certainly not the only one.
I was a new born in '89... I like 70s fashion better(6_6)
The music really evokes 1989. Sometimes I forget just how long ago that was.
Eerie seeing Grenfell Tower. I worked on the rail replacement there shortly after the fire. There was a lot of sadness on those shifts.
Yup!
Man I was in tears that morning, and I very, very rarely get teary about anything.
EdgyNumber1 it was a sad reality. I have since moved on to stations but when I tell colleagues what I saw, it really brought it all home. Shocking.
Sad
That’s terrible.
24:28 "By the way, InterCity also runs trains" lmao I'm dead
I feel quite sentimental about old rolling stock on the underground and even move sentimental about the 1980s and 90s Simple times but truly happy days ,
Whitechapel station is almost unrecognisable. Do miss those days when the Underground had character.
Same with King's Cross St Pancras. I miss the glory days when the London Underground had character too. I hate it when they modify platforms or stations when they originally looked fine as they were just old but more often in my opinion old is better. The modern Underground stations and platfroms look boring or hideous. However I am glad a number of the London Undeground Stations have been preserved from the days they were first built or last modified (anytime before 1950s)
Why did they remove the two centre platforms?
Me too
@@onlinefriend3889 I think it's to make way for the interchange between Crossrail and the District, H&C and Overground
@@onlinefriend3889 Terminating trains are reversed at West Ham now.
Nothing beats the sound of those motors!
Jeez this is a nostalgia overload. Travelled this line into London as a 19 year old, from its start in Uxbridge.
Combination of cab view + history is fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
This was the first underground drivers eye view from video125 , had this and the central and met one as well as this all on vhs until dvd was available. C stock R.I.P
I loved this era with aluminium-coloured A-Stock and the non-welded rail!~ I was 22! WHAT A GREAT FILM.
The driver is Steve Hickin. He went on to become a duty manager at Edgware Road when I was a driver there. He was a bit of a jobsworth.
My ex husband 🤣🤣🤣
Lol
I used to ride this line every day from Ladbroke Grove to Baker Street every day in the late 'sixties. This brings back good memories. Thanks!
Thank you so much for uploading this! I have this on DVD somewhere but it's been damaged and won't play properly so seeing this in my subscriptions is a blessing in disguise.
The clag from that DMU leaving Paddington would cause headlines in the paper now.
I love stuff like this. The way it was when I was growing up. I love nostalgia. Life is good nowadays but I would like some things from back then to still be the same.
I've just watched this after around 25 years since I last watched it when I had it on VHS. To watch it again after all these years was very enjoyable and nostalgic. Back then travelling on the London Underground was a more pleasant experience. Am not so keen on it nowadays, as at stations we are bombarded with constant "nannying" pre-recorded and live PA/tannoy announcements telling us what to do and what not to do - "Keep well away from the edge of the platform", "Move right along the platform", "Please let passengers off the train before boarding" and godknows how many others, and in summer there is additionally "In this hot weather always carry a bottle of water with you."!!!! To be hearing all these constant instructions makes it far more irritating and stressful to be travelling on the London Underground. Just look at the footage of the stations in this video and how much more peaceful it was! Bring back those days!
These 125 videos are becoming invaluable time capsules in their own right - not their purpose when they were first released. At the time of this video I travelled all over London everyday as a sales executive - it is hard to comprehend the changes that have taken place since when I have now been out of London for over 23 years. The C and D stock all gone. Stations rebuilt. No mobile phones, few briefcases and suits. And - pre Covid at least - the number and mix of people.......
Another thing that strikes me is the cleanliness. The lack of graffiti everywhere and over all the trains.
This reminds me of my first underground experience travelling on the District Line to Earls Court for the 1995 Motor Show
Thank you for making this available. Fascinating video.
What a blast from the past!
It's how I remember seeing London in my mind as a child, whenever I went there:
Grey, washed-out, dreary, dilapidated, dirty; big scary metal boxes on rails. . . I loved it!
Thank you for this time document. I really enjoyed watching it.
This is extremely nostalgic. Was knocking around London at this exact time, in my early 20s. Remember those station views so well. Trellic Tower. And those clanky, noisy, smoky dmus that I loved.
Fascinating video. Thanks for posting.
Part of the Metropolitan line between Hammersmith and Barking.
It is now the Hammersmith and City Line since 1990 worked by C Stock. Now the Circle line joins it to Hammersmith.
Hammersmith and City Line goes all the way to Barking all the time now, back then it was mainly Whitechapel, going further to Barking at peak times only.
C69/C77 worked it whilst the A60 stock did the main Metropolitan line
Because of the short platforms North of High Street Kensington, C Stock also covered the District line service between Wimbledon and Edgware Road.
It also covered the Olympia branch.
Occasionally it covered other areas of the District line when needed.
Cool to see the GWR Main lines at Paddington when the signal boxes were still there!
very informative awesome thank you i realy enjoyed watching this brill
I like that not only do you see Grenfell but also the Trellick Tower too.
How times have changed. Especially with the East London Line now part of the Overground, the A, C and D78 stocks now retired, that filmed section of the Metropolitan now the Hammersmith and City and Crossrail becoming a reality soon, after so many years being just plans on paper.
One five car ex District line D78 stock is at the Metropolitan line's Neasden depot as the new Rail Adhesion train.
Amazing how different it is now, with the S7 stocks and soon to be automatic train operation
No more bone shakers!.
This was my favourite VHS when I was little, I watched it until it was very grainy! Thanks for uploading, will we maybe see a classic Central Line production sometime soon? Also - can’t help saying it - RIP Grenfell. It’s such an obvious landmark in H&C films.
limeyfox looks very good this Video and I wish I was born in a different era so that I could have been old enough for a driver in the late 70s - 80s instead of now, loved the original c stock train, sounded different then aswell, and yes RIP to those at Grenfell tower for what happened in 2017
I was driving the C stock before on the Hammersnith And City Line and District Line to Wimbledon from Edgware Road before. I have taken the C stock on the District line to Richmond Before which was fun and got over 50 MPH between Turnham Green Gunnersbury and kew Gardens got 50 MPH. The C Stock nearly can do the same as the A60 Stock on a long Run but C Stock is slower by 2 point 9 MPH than The A60 Stock. The Speedometer on Tubes are slightly out so if the A60 Stock says 75 MPH Your Actuallly Doing 70 MPH and the C stock Says your doing a little over 72 MPH your doing 68.1 so you do feel your going slightly above. But still is fast and tgis was the C stock on The Metropolitain Line Football Specials in 1980 and when they did do a fast Run on the Line but very rare. The 73 stock is my line now
What underground station would you see the remnants of Grenfell Tower?
@@uhegbu Outside Hammersmith
Latimer Road. It's right there.
Wow! Good TV tonight. Thank you!
Fascinating! Thanks for sharing.
Grenfell Tower before the cladding 5:28
I always loved this one, especially how weathered the Hammersmith and City Line train appears.
It was still the Hammersmith to Barking part of the Metropolitan line at this time.
This was excellent! Good video of the full trips and of all the stations, and a really informative narration. I wish there were videos of this quality of all the lines! Best of all, there was no annoying "music".
There ARE! Video125.com covers every single underground line in London.
@@video125com For a price. Thanks, but no thanks.
@@Bobrogers99 You expect all the filming and production and editing to be done for free?
love this i now live up north but cannot beat tube great workmanship over the year
Great video. I have two about the Channel tunnel and another of the Jubilee line. All excellent videos
The tunnels fascinate me they are not so long and dark like that today
I use to have this one on a VHS, bought it somewhene 1990 in the Transportmuseum, and watched it back home in Switzland...
I remember how from one month to the next London Transport couldn't decide whether the new District Line stock door should all open automatically, or that people should press the button to open the doors. I think by 1989 people had got used to it. There is so much to see / think about / talk about with this video. Thanks.
They couldn't make up their minds and switched from one to the other a few times. The 1992, 1995 and 1996 stock were also given door buttons, but I don't think these were ever used.
On the left u can see the television centre studios where this morning and any itv programs and bbc programmes were filmed here
How different Westminster station looked then compared to now...! :O
Westminster now has a Jubilee line station as part of the extension to Stratford since the closure of Charing Cross in 1999.
18:57 "Platform 2 is an Uxbridge train, calling all stations to Uxbridge. Uxbridge train on Platform 2."
1:16:25 "All stations to Uxbridge on Platform 2."
What a coincidence haha
even more weird is when we arrive at Acton Town he says RAYNERS LANE platform 2
The second announcer sounds like John Major lol
You can tell from when the camera changes focus slightly that they switched to filming on a Circle Line train, but even the Platform Indicator Boards give it away at Mansion House and Victoria, and the first half of St. James's Park
Difficulties of filming back then with two big cameras shooting through the open front door. Health and safety would definitely NOT allow that now....We only had the unique £70k camera on loan from Sony for half a day so had no choice.
@@video125com Totally understandable! 😅
Lovely video, nice looking back at the styles in peoples clothes. I was 11 y/o in 89 lol. Look at all that smoke/steam at 12:00 ! Wow lol
Excellent, as Shepherd's Bush born and raised, I knew this line intimately. Wonderful to see the drivers view as opposed to what I could see by just looking out of the passenger window. Did anybody notice that the
trailing points as the train entered Aldgate East were against us. I assume they must be spring-loaded in favor of the district line.
Actually that doesn't matter
The train wheels push the switch blades in the right direction as the train passes over them.
Great video!
This was my first London Underground DEV, since then I've brought nearly all the Video 125 London Underground Driver's Eye Views. I know its still a little way but I'd love to see a CrossRail DEV!
12:00 The clag coming from the 117 DMU though!
Shocking. Yet people lament British Rail. Maybe that is a good example to remind people of how run-down many parts of BR was. Bear in mind that was in central London - not the outer reaches.....
Looks like it's on fire LOL
And the poor people having to breathe it in!
Ah, the railway equivalent of the Routemaster bus, and with a cold engine for added effect!
+John D HAHAHA I think you mean the 143 Pacer mate!
This video amazes me how deepily the MTR was influenced by London Underground. Unpainted Metro-Cammell trains and similar station signages, many more.
Aldgate East looks very much the same today, hasn't changed since it's relocation in 1938 and designed by Charles Henry Holden who is responsible for the designs of almost half of the stations on the London Underground Network, including the London Underground Headquarters directly above St James's Park Station in 1929 which was also designed by Holden. There is also a public house called The Charles Holden which is opposite Colliers Wood Station (another tube station designed by Holden).
Man, Grenfell Tower coming into view at 5:05. Eerie
Thanks Pete! :D
All those people on the platforms, and not a mobile phone to be seen. Just an observation...
Good point.
Yes aren't mobile phones terrible. I miss the days when I had to stick my head out the window and shout to get a message to someone else!
Yes, it was quite different back in 1989.
Maybe a few Game Boys or Walkmans though!
yes, you had to use a phone box that someone had usually weed in. Great days
thank you!
A lot of changes has happened since the video and did I hear the chimes of Big Ben at Westminster station? Liverpool Street railway station remember back in 1989 underwent redevelopment before its completion two years later and it is still there as of 2019. So did Cannon Street and also Blackfriars more recently than Liverpool Street in the early 1990s. The East London Line has been extended as far as Croydon as well as New Cross/New Cross Gate and Highbury & Islington with newer trains. Shoreditch has become Shoreditch High Street with its distinctive bridge dominating the area. Kings Cross St Pancras is still a busy area and another area that underwent transformation particularly the creation of the international terminal and high speed Kent services since 2007. I think Victoria's entrance roof with destinations has disappeared. Kings Cross Thameslink has now closed and St Pancras's modern looking station and platforms takes passengers north to Bedford for the Midlands and Sheffield or south to Brighton via Gatwick Airport, Sutton and other southern destinations. I suspect that one of the former units of both Metropolitan and District have been repainted. The narrator should also mention Tower Hill station is also the interchange for Fenchurch Street National Rail station providing trains to Southend and Shoeburyness as well as Docklands Light Railway (DLR) from Tower Gateway.
Very informative 👍👍
Oh man, those trains looked so grim back then.....
D-stock trains still in use elsewhere, today! 👍
not a good look for London.
I’ve see that S stock train once on this morning and I went there there’s a train passing behind them
Baker Street's Hammersmith & City platforms are amongst the most nostalgic on the whole network. It was my gateway to London. Used to get Met line from Uxbridge.
Very iconic signage in both directions to and from the Metropolitan Line to Ham and City platforms. I sadly got to know them visiting my father at Harefield hospital close to Uxbridge, where he died. But those Metropolitan Line carriages were the cream of the crop on tube journeys with some pretty fast speeds past Rayners Lane.
That section of Met has running speeds of around 60 mph in places.
@@paulanderson79 Interesting. Do you know what used to rattle / bang on the bottom of the carriage when going at high speeds, more commonly when the carriage was empty - was that connected to the suspension of the train or something else?
@@bganonimouse2754 I don't know for certain. Unwelded track maybe?
That diesel at Paddington looks a bit sick. This was the lowest ebb of investment in UK railways.
Agreed . The mainline and the tube was rough in those days .My memories of the summers of 1989 and 1990 were nearly suffocating with the heat in that old rolling stock
That’s excellent Whitechapel is almost unrecognisable since this was filmed
I miss that old Baker Street signage.
Yes`
Video 125 are so informative. Have bought many.
Very informative
Wish I could go back to this time again and train watch at Paddington and Royal Oak
"How bumpy would you like your track to be laid, sir?"
"well. do your best"
"Very well, sir"
"Very well."
The track: ~--~-~~---~-~--~-~~---~ ~-~ ---~-~
So familiar. I remember seeing the Guardian Angels on this line many times in the 80s
Old London Underground is miles better and more interesting to the eye than New London Underground.
Will you be uploading all of your Underground Drivers Eye Views?
This was shot on very high quality equipment!
DVD originally released 13th December 1989. Hammersmith & Circle was Released on 18th August 2014.
DVDs didnt exist in 1989.
I think what he meant was, the footage on the DVD was originally released on VHS format on 13/12/1989
The description leaving Blackfriars of the poor lot the drivers had, in open cabs of steam locomotives, having to spot semaphore signals through the smoke and soot puts me in mind of the early days of the 'Glasgow Central Railway' - my grandfather remembers when Glasgow Central low level had 4 platforms, and just how bad the visibility was when all were occupied by steam locomotives.
Several accidents occurred on that railway due to signals missed in the poor tunnel conditions, though the GCR used oil lamp signals as opposed to semaphores.
Remarkably, despite opening in 1896, and suffering to competition from electrified trams . . . The line wasn't electrified (though the Caledonian Railway, who owned the line, had obtained parliamentary powers to electrify the line as early as 1898) . . . Still being steam when it succumbed to the beeching axe in the 60s - though I believe an electrified metal pad was installed along the tunnel walls in places to provide auxiliary power for lighting in the passenger coaches (id need to find the book I read that in to confirm).
Electrification (on the 25kv overhead system) came, at least to the central section between stobcross (now called Exhibition Centre) and Rutherglen with re-opening as the 'Argyle' line in 1979 when the recently retired class 314 EMUs where introduced.
I cant belive they actually did thies videos back then
Blimey! You sound like David Dimbleby! Great voice, top video. Will subscribe, cheers
Really good to see this, I had thought it would be gone forever. Just wondering if you'll be making this available to download?
Does anyone know what the switch is which the driver of the C Stock flicks at every stop just below the Master Selector?
That was the idiot switch
It was an on/off switch, When it was turned to off the contol handle (deadman) was cut out
How Whitechapel has changed. Now all shiny and new ready for the Elizabeth line
Every part of the underrgound seems to have been renamed at least once.
when was this version with drawn from sale and can it still be downloaded as a download or do you have any copies of it left for dvd?
Replaced by Hammersmith and Circle, much better technically. No copies left on DVD.
This is amazing, thank you so much for uploading these old VHS videos. Is a slam-door era London to Clacton video in the archives? I'd happily pay for that.
InterCity Norwich covers much of the line into Liverpool Street in slam door days....
1898 that was the metropolitan line known as the met is the London underground and the district line is a London underground
Seems like yesterday to me. I worked at Victoria. Looking at the passengers, it’s hard to realise they’re all 30 years older.
I started on the tube as relief railman out of Victoria then guard at Acton & PG then displaced by OPO I was ghosting the roster at Morden before getting on the front within 6 months of being displaced. Remember the D stock as nearly new trains and the C as noisy and uncomfortable.
I do wonder why no one ever considered doing a through peak service of Metropolitan Line in this time period using the ELL crossover (before it became known as the East London Line) and, say Fast Amersham - New Cross.
Whats the dvd name for this as i cant find it on the website? The metropolitan one on the website says filmed in 1995
No longer available on DVD, superseded by the HD Hammersmith & Circle
What is the title music?
Never mind. I see you already answered that question.
what is the music then
I've got this on DVD, I'm surprised you are able to upload this in full as it will surely mean no one will need to buy it.
It hasn't been sold since Hammersmith and Circle came out.
it's been uploaded by the producer - Video125co.
CO/CP, R, and C Stock're how I remember this back yard subway, never e v e r by that *fuckingly* dull D Stock..! 🍸
Wow I was between 15 going on 16 when this was filmed 34 years ago wow so much Changes must have accured after 1989 ,What an adventure and the fact classic Network Southeast DMUS were the norm back then ,Makes me feel nostalgic watching this,Coming up to 50 The 21st century has replaced so much,Prefer the Iconic 1962 and 1966 Units that operated on the Underground .
I'm curious - how does the addition of the Circle Line to the Hammersmith and City mean there's more reliable service on the former?
If you have a loop and there is a delay on one train it has a knock on effect to other trains and they end up like buses. All queued up then 3 come together. If you have a terminus away from the loop you can add /remove trains to get them back in synch
11:55 - 12:15 That DMU has clearly seen better days.
Anyone noticed your actually onboard a C stock train operating a Circle line service for most of the journey between Tower Hill and Gloucester Road surprised no one else has pointed that out XD.
How you know?
@@TSSmina By the sound!
Shepherd's Bush station was renamed Shepherd's Bush Market in 2008 I believe
SiVlog Yes, when the new Wood Lane station opened at that time
So that it wouldn't be confused with the nearby Shepherd's Bush Central Line and Overground West London Line stations.
5:42 whats Keith Baron doing at Embankment?
I remember getting the VHS version of this and even today I am wondering why didn't we get the Earling Broadway branches of both Central and District Lines when they did the remakes?🤔 A bit odd in some cases but not in other. So either way I think there should have been in the remakes somewhere.🤔🙂
Its because we did Ealing Broadway on the original Central DEV. In fact Ealing Broadway was our most filmed station at one time, it even appeared in our 35mm archives as well. Latest DEVs twice more, Thames Branches and Berks and Hants......
Please tell us - why was the cab shots from Tower Hill to South Ken done on a Circle Line C stock train when it was ment to be a D stock?
Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that...!
Ive got a feeling that this production was at first ment to be Circle Line only drivers eye view
It seems to be. Approaching St James's Park (53:10), you can clearly make out the LED destination display saying "CIRCLE LINE via High Street Kensington". At the same time, the D stock's departing motor sounds different than the one shot on cab.
That's filming for you I'm afraid. Back in 1989, there was no such thing as a normal sensitive camera like we have today (even today, without extra light, it is a struggle). Extra lighting was not allowed in two way tunnels so we had to use the one and only camera in the world at the time. Sony Broadcast came along with it for the one day only and we mounted it side by side with a daylight camera (you will see the mixes between the two). We had no choice but to use that camera for one day. It was worth £70,000 back then and Sony loaned it (with technician) for a half day only so that they could use the footage to demonstrate the capabilities of the camera. We even had to have the front door open would you believe?
ok - but that dosent explain why the driver view scenes from Tower Hill to South Ken was done on a C stock Circle line train when it should have been a district line D stock train.
You might not be able to see that it is, but the two stocks did so different and thats the giveaway - that and the fact that the indicators keep saying Circle Line
If you listen carefully during some of the District line, particularly at one of my stations (Monument) the train sounds very much like a C stock, but further up goes back to D stock. Was the entire District part filmed in the D stock? Because it doesn’t sound like it.
Someone caught a glimpse of some of the Passenger Information Screens - recording took place on both Circle and District trains there.
You are quite right. That is how films are made. Cheating if you like. Our defence is that you have to go back to 1989 when it was filmed. There was only one camera IN THE WORLD that could film in the dark in colour. It was made by Sony and we managed to get it for ONE day on the premise that Sony could use the footage as a demo. In 1989 the cost of the camera was £75K (about £200K in today's money). We were very lucky to be able to have it for one morning complete with operator and complete with SECOND daylight camera attached to film in daylight. The difference between complete darkness and broad daylight was (and is) way too much for any single camera. To cap it all we had to design and mount a rig to film through the OPEN front door of a circle line train (not allowed these days). We were completely limited in what we could do so that was the only solution, Our current Hammersmith and Circle was a technological few decades later and I am pleased to say that it was shot accurately without cheating.
video125co I don’t know if you know what I’m referring to. When you’re filming the District line segment heading west, at points it sounds like a C stock train then goes back to D stock. I also noticed this when you revisited the District line from Richmond to Upminster. At points the train was unrefurbished as Dave was operating it, but at points you can hear the announcements from a refurbished D stock. My question is do you have to use different trains to film the line? I’m not being picky or judgemental of your work (it’s great) I am just curious as these are things I noticed. Thank you. 🤓
@@NoddyMaccy As often as not, filming takes place on more than one train for all sorts of reasons. I can remember following red signals, not acceptable for publishing, rain, trespasser, camera fault, running on the wrong line. Sometimes it is planned to take two services. For example the Northern Lights. One service running west, the other running east. We have sometimes filmed a service at least four times in order to get the desired result.
video125co Ah! Thank you for explaining!
I have this and the 2014 version in my collection plus all other London Underground DEV's but at the moment they're in Storage and in this version it shows the C and D Stock before refurbishment and eventual withdrawal by the S7 and S8 Stock same with The A Stock sadly
what is the difference between the two when comparing both side by side?
are you able to do a copy of the case cover for this drivers eye view that you have DKS225?
I guess for the intro it was filmed at Liverpool st for an eastbound C stock train arriving and Stamford Brook for a departing D stock train ?