We have do distinguish between test speeds and operational speeds. The French TGV is the record breaker, test speed of 574,8 km/h. The fastest commercial trains are Chinese, the Fuxing travels at max operational speed of 350 km/h . The next fastest commercial trains are the French TGV, the Eurostar and Japan's Shinkansen, max operational speed of 320 km/h.
In 2013 i travel from Stuttgart Germany to Paris France on TGV with 320 Km/h speed a Gare de l"Est .Paris in summer day time TGV - Stand for < Train a grande vitesse >
574,8 km/h. 357 mph. Japan has a faster maglev but it's not a train on wheels and maglev is a dead end technology with only 6 lines operating all around the world. My town is 250 miles away from Paris and I can get in Paris center in 1h35 with TGV. Unbeatable
Pretty sure the Japanese disagree with maglev being dead end technology. Their SCMaglev trains is to be used in the Chūō Shinkansen. The new Shinkansen line is scheduled to open in stages with the first stage opening in 2027.
@JeppeAchtonNielsen it will be 7 maglev lines in the world in total. Maglev will never replace each and every railway around the world. That's why it's a dead end technology
Same! it's crazy when i see in a map that the city where i live is almost 500 km away from paris and i can get there in no more than 1h40, for a pretty good price, may i add
Japan didn't have the choice to develop trains because they didn't have access to oil after the war. Importing oil to make petrol for cars would prove too expansive. Trains remain the utmost logistical invention of Humankind, so they developped their trains to compensate, easier to build than highways on a very mountainous or very urban country, needing narrower bridges and tunnels than highways, trains are the way to go in that country. As for regular operation, the fastest trains are in China, reaching over 400 kph on some lines (or so they claim).
The tgv could go faster but the cost of doing it is not economically viable. Wear increases exponentially with speed… so, finding a good balance naked it possible to keep prices low at a speed that is sufficient to make it better than using your car or the plane… this ability to go faster is just for show like the Chinese do snd they are paying more in maintenance cost per distance just for bragging rights…
They literally are not. Nothing in video speaks of operational speed; the average highest speed rail of Japan is much higher than what this one single French record breaking track brings to the table that isn't even allowed by legislation to operate to its full potential. In short: It cannot transport passengers at the speed that it has been tested at. The video mentions they were - and I quote - the French were prepared to take it further. The problem with this they did it take further only in test drives that by law they already at the moment they did the test drive they knew they would not be allowed to do with any members of the public inside it. The entire thing has been an impressive, but also kind of useless technical showcase. The video is also flawed in its Concorde analogy. The Concorde was becoming most profitable at the time it lost all of its respect because the one that exploded simply because of all us were looking at it while a damn different plane dropped a part in front of it. But yeah... I travel by train a lot. I have driven on this very TGV as well just not in its test drive and it is... meh. It's certainly nothing, like anything, in Japan. To me, as a traveler, the argument that this might be only because it's not allowed but it could be faster, is not an argument. Don't 'could be faster'; just be faster. Get me there faster. And it simply isn't.
You seem to be unaware of the principle of a record. In 2007, the new POS trainsets had just come out. And the opening of the high-speed line to the East. It was an opportunity not only to test the equipment, but also to remind the world of France's supremacy in terms of the world record for a train on rails. Back in 1990, when the record was set at 515.3 km/h, we knew that trains weren't going to run at that speed. Even in 1981, when the record was set at 380 km/h, we knew it. So we've known for 40 years how to distinguish between record and commercial speed. A record also makes certain things possible. Gather information on the behavior of trains and track at speeds never before explored. It shows that at these speeds, the train remains perfectly stable, which is a guarantee of safety. If the train hasn't derailed at 574.8 km/h, then it's incredibly reliable at 320 km/h. That's another thing to remember. And it's far from useless. Today, France has data on high-speed rail that is unique in the world, thanks to all the telemetry installed on board the train and on the track. This data is invaluable to our knowledge of the railroads. A world record isn't just for show. P.S : you said ". I have driven on this very TGV as well just not in its test drive" You are a french train drive ?
We have do distinguish between test speeds and operational speeds.
The French TGV is the record breaker, test speed of 574,8 km/h.
The fastest commercial trains are Chinese, the Fuxing travels at max operational speed of 350 km/h .
The next fastest commercial trains are the French TGV, the Eurostar and Japan's Shinkansen, max operational speed of 320 km/h.
In 2013 i travel from Stuttgart Germany to Paris France on TGV with 320 Km/h speed a
Gare de l"Est .Paris in summer day time TGV - Stand for < Train a grande vitesse >
Between 1975-79 I lived and worked in Paris
I was younger
Since Oct 1979 til prezent retaired in western Canada.
574,8 km/h. 357 mph. Japan has a faster maglev but it's not a train on wheels and maglev is a dead end technology with only 6 lines operating all around the world. My town is 250 miles away from Paris and I can get in Paris center in 1h35 with TGV. Unbeatable
Pretty sure the Japanese disagree with maglev being dead end technology. Their SCMaglev trains is to be used in the Chūō Shinkansen. The new Shinkansen line is scheduled to open in stages with the first stage opening in 2027.
@JeppeAchtonNielsen it will be 7 maglev lines in the world in total. Maglev will never replace each and every railway around the world. That's why it's a dead end technology
Same! it's crazy when i see in a map that the city where i live is almost 500 km away from paris and i can get there in no more than 1h40, for a pretty good price, may i add
Japan didn't have the choice to develop trains because they didn't have access to oil after the war. Importing oil to make petrol for cars would prove too expansive. Trains remain the utmost logistical invention of Humankind, so they developped their trains to compensate, easier to build than highways on a very mountainous or very urban country, needing narrower bridges and tunnels than highways, trains are the way to go in that country.
As for regular operation, the fastest trains are in China, reaching over 400 kph on some lines (or so they claim).
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French TGVs may have the higher top speed but Japanese shinkansen have faster acceleration which means they are faster overall over the same distance.
The tgv could go faster but the cost of doing it is not economically viable. Wear increases exponentially with speed… so, finding a good balance naked it possible to keep prices low at a speed that is sufficient to make it better than using your car or the plane… this ability to go faster is just for show like the Chinese do snd they are paying more in maintenance cost per distance just for bragging rights…
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tu parles a une anglophone en francais ?...
They literally are not. Nothing in video speaks of operational speed; the average highest speed rail of Japan is much higher than what this one single French record breaking track brings to the table that isn't even allowed by legislation to operate to its full potential.
In short: It cannot transport passengers at the speed that it has been tested at.
The video mentions they were - and I quote - the French were prepared to take it further. The problem with this they did it take further only in test drives that by law they already at the moment they did the test drive they knew they would not be allowed to do with any members of the public inside it. The entire thing has been an impressive, but also kind of useless technical showcase.
The video is also flawed in its Concorde analogy. The Concorde was becoming most profitable at the time it lost all of its respect because the one that exploded simply because of all us were looking at it while a damn different plane dropped a part in front of it.
But yeah... I travel by train a lot. I have driven on this very TGV as well just not in its test drive and it is... meh. It's certainly nothing, like anything, in Japan.
To me, as a traveler, the argument that this might be only because it's not allowed but it could be faster, is not an argument.
Don't 'could be faster'; just be faster. Get me there faster. And it simply isn't.
You seem to be unaware of the principle of a record.
In 2007, the new POS trainsets had just come out. And the opening of the high-speed line to the East.
It was an opportunity not only to test the equipment, but also to remind the world of France's supremacy in terms of the world record for a train on rails. Back in 1990, when the record was set at 515.3 km/h, we knew that trains weren't going to run at that speed. Even in 1981, when the record was set at 380 km/h, we knew it. So we've known for 40 years how to distinguish between record and commercial speed.
A record also makes certain things possible. Gather information on the behavior of trains and track at speeds never before explored. It shows that at these speeds, the train remains perfectly stable, which is a guarantee of safety. If the train hasn't derailed at 574.8 km/h, then it's incredibly reliable at 320 km/h. That's another thing to remember. And it's far from useless.
Today, France has data on high-speed rail that is unique in the world, thanks to all the telemetry installed on board the train and on the track. This data is invaluable to our knowledge of the railroads. A world record isn't just for show.
P.S : you said ". I have driven on this very TGV as well just not in its test drive"
You are a french train drive ?