Really does double as a hell of a optical illusion. At first it's hard to tell whether it's flapping or spinning. Flapping would mean it's not really colliding, but regardless brain needs rest now.
Clorox Bleach I think I actually figured out how the EM Drive actually works as I have a concept for one and then realized that the EM Drive does the same. Emailing Scott Maley to see what he thinks first
Since it would be a new element of physics, would it then need a new unit of measurement? Such as the 'manly'? The drive he made produced something of ten kilomanlys
Seeing a lot of people tried to propose names for this "thing", I don't think we're short on them; however I was surprised that no one even proposed THE name: "Jumping Jack Drive"
I like it. It just sorta pumps/swings mass around and the equal/opposite reaction is that it pumps velocity into your ship! Now Scott have two pump. Physics win every time.
If you watch soviet sci-fi movie Kin-dza-dza!, you will there find surprisingly similar looking vehicle "pepelats". Similar not only on the outside, but also on basic principle of flight: it was using Gravitsapa - component that allows intergalactic travel and had to do something with gravity.
You need more landing legs further out or added reaction control momentum wheels or gyroscopes or thrusters to prevent it from tipping. You could also throttle it by changing the pump flow rates. Seriously, you should explain why this doesn't work in real life, that it's the path of the mass that is the fluid in the tanks that matter not the tanks going around in a circle. I'm pretty sure most first year students think of this momentum drive concept or one similar to it and think it's brilliant and it probably takes them a while to work out why it isn't, many may never bother to work out why it doesn't work.
To fix this, they need subtract _directional_ inertia/KE (same thing, not sure what KSP uses internally) from the source tank and add it to the target tank. The addition needs to maintain the direction so that the actual conservation laws can take place. KSP probably doesn't do this because it assumes rockets are rigid so pieces of the rockets won't ever have different velocity vectors. Infernal robots breaks this assumption, which is why this isn't necessarily a bug. This is the same reason why KSP also doesn't compute colliders for the same ship.
Suedocode but you can also use pumping to create thrust completely without mods by spinning your spacecraft and pumping fuel around at the right times. So this exploit also works without mods
Icto gan Ahh yeah the original manifestation of this engine. I had completely forgotten... Also, the addition/subtraction I think needs to be strictly with momentum. I don't know what I was thinking when I said inertia, and KE has no direction so that was a weird thing to say...
Quite clearly it's a Slightly Implausible Broken Physics drive. (SIBP) Or perhaps the Excessively Implausible Physics Abuse drive? (EIPA) Or maybe, Mostly Unlikely Disjointed Inertia drive. (MUDI) Yes... That one is amusing. XD How about Majorly Unreal Gravity Evasion Rotor (MUGER) mmh. I think that's enough... For now... XD (OK, fine, one more. The... Gravel Inertia Gravity Groping Launch Engine - (GIGGLE))
about 900. If he's moving at 20 m/s (that's more powerful than it actually is) that's about ~174 days. Now of course if you do x4 speed it'd be about 43 days our time.
ZarPof excellent. This needs to become a thing for someone. If we violate the laws of thermodynamics, we might as well violate the speed of light itself.
Robert Strader LOL. In reality as they approached C it would take longer and longer. However, KSP in Newtonian not relativistic so it ignores that fact.
You'd want to switch the solar panels for them KSP super powerful RTGs. But yeah, this exploits all the missing stuff in KSP physics, so it's ripe. :-)
Didn't know about that but I used to use DxTory to achieve a similar effect of mixing audio. Between that and Virtual Audio Cable They used to be my two most used programs to record games etc.
Maybe you could use the extending parts from IR (I forgot what they're called) in place of the girders, you could throttle to some extent by changing the length of the arms?
This is one of those optical illusions too. It mostly looks like they're just clacking back and forth but if you look past them it looks like they're spinning in a full circle. makes my eyes hurt lol
Just a thought from a *VERY* amateur coder. Could you set it up so that when you call the program you pass it a variable for how many cycles you want it to run? That would give you a modicum of control. Additionally, could you maybe change your thrust by making a second drive rotated 90 degrees out of phase with the main one that rotates at a different rate in the opposite configuration, thus reducing (or increasing if you desire) the thrust generated?
Haven't seen the complete vid, so I dont know if Scott hasnt come to the same association but I would describe this device as a "Mystical Space Butterfly" XD
if you can get surface velocity and altitude, you should be able to add a function for controlling the rotation rate to automatically regulate thrust for landing.
Scott, how about new "Most Kerbal Spacecraft Ever" episode with this inertialess drive? It definitely looks like a winner, and if it can power a submarine!.. Well, it might even be able to return from zero level of Jool ;)
Scott Manley: [finally lands a spacecraft perfectly] Scott Manley .000000001 seconds later: [max throttle] Scott Manley: "Oh crap crap! I fired my engines! I touched down! Dammit dammit! That was a PERFECT landing." I love this channel.
So Majestic. Like a 4 winged eagle clipping its wings through each other on its way into orbit by defying physics. The Manley Implausibility Drive shall be known throughout the ages as a marvel or game based pseudo-scientific engineering!
what if you use extremely strong pistons that retract and extend (like the fuel tranfers) and 4 struts spinning with piston extending on it, without spinnig inside of each other ?
First it looked like they were spinning, then they looked like scissors and then I almost fainted holy crap it's breaking my brain as well as the laws of physics
One fun thing about such a low energy physics breaking drive is who cares if you mess up your orbit? Just do a correction burn. It's pretty much free, so even if you use the least efficient method you can think of it'll still work out. XD
I invented this about 30 yrs ago by tossing a ball in the air,for when you toss a ball in the air, STRAIGHT up, for a millisecond it would be weightless ,any way this is the first that somebody made it ,even though it would it wouldn't work .....good job😃.....what you need is a saucer shape, with 8 nodes around the craft and see what happens....
Scott, I just had a thought... Could this work better by mounting the tanks onto linear actuators, that way your motion is strictly linear, no torque induction, and you can put it into a cargo bay for aerodynamics!
Hilarious! Years ago in school some guy actually got blueprints from somewhere for such a machine with revolving weights that supposedly would be a reactionless drive. Ridiculous but still Fun to watch.
Quite a cool illusion. Watch one fuel tank and it'll spin around perfectly, but if you just watch in the middle it kinda clinks together like a Newtons cradle.
So I genuinely wonder. If you used custom parts and such, could you build some kind of spaceship around one of these? It'd be awesome to see you build like... a proper ship with one of these drives powering it. Even if you had to make the ship itself so big it needed conventional rockets to get into space. Once you were in space, this thing would just provide more and more acceleration.
17:25 yea, they studied black holes and found out more about lightspeed. Scott your polite when telling dummies they don't know what they are saying(they have no comprehension).. let alone thinking.
Scott, do you know that DXTory lets you record to different audio tracks at the same time? Might be worth a look. I've never looked back after using it.
You could make it controllable by reading your throttle level- if you can make run at X% efficiency, then you can directly connect the two. If not, then 0 throttle will correspond to turn off/reset, and anything nonzero will activate full throttle.
Thanks for posting this, now my science mode space program is using it. Not as effective as yours, but it's very useful to have a basically infinite delta-v ship.
with an infinite drive like that, you could just point at whatever body you wanna go to, physics accelerate and then let it go for a while, you can go anywhere super fast
I think I know how to make it avoid self-collision: Make a T-shaped structure, and attach the rotating arms on the branches of the T, with the base attached to the craft itself. One could even have, say, a pair of arms spaced along both of the branches. It could also be made into a + shape, with more spaceship on the top.
you might be able to throttle it, by having a ore tank on the base, and metering the amount in the arms, that way having adjustable amounts in the working parts.
I think you should try making some fairly large ship using B9 or something and have normal thrusters to escape atmosphere and get to orbit, but for transfer burns and whatnot use this drive scaled up a little. It wont have as good a specific impulse as you do here, but this shows that it's extremely sustainable. Combine it with the huge thrusters from B9 on extremely low throttle, using gravity assists, there'd be no problem getting to other planets
Scott, for throttling, what about cutting off the fuel transfers early in one direction? Then you wouldn't have to worry about trying to sync the movement speed with the transfer speed. Maybe you could even check the actual throttle value with kOS.
It ain't Kerbal unless you're breaking something that shouldn't be broken. Breaking physics is just yet another Kraken sticker for Jeb to stick to the side of his personal rocket.
Scott, an idea of how to throttle it down sorta. Try having reduced parallel transfers / reduced rotation speed scripts ready, which would give you less effective thrust for finer control. I guess thats not so easy since you would need to switch scripts for a different throttle setting. I think some reduced power would have helped you nail that munar landing.
My brain is constantly switching from watching the barrels clap to watching them spin in a circle. You have broken my brain! :)
Joachim Voldseth what hasn't he broke at this point
my anus
yet
same here i thought it was only me
YES!!!! SAME!
Really does double as a hell of a optical illusion. At first it's hard to tell whether it's flapping or spinning. Flapping would mean it's not really colliding, but regardless brain needs rest now.
To the moon under 5h, using nothing but solar panels and physicists' tears.
I wonder if he can get to the moon in 1/300thnof the time
There's probably a way to get to space by physics bugging with deployable panels.
This is even more beautiful.
First response, btw danny, you're the god of the kraken.
Its the EM drive in KSP Lol
Makes no sense, and it's kinda weird.
here is the god of breaking the laws of physics
:) >:) >:D BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Clorox Bleach I think I actually figured out how the EM Drive actually works as I have a concept for one and then realized that the EM Drive does the same. Emailing Scott Maley to see what he thinks first
I assume new content for a Dannyproject?
I can see it now. An entire space faring empire built upon this propulsion system. I propose we call it...... The Manly Drive!
I already see NASA and China soon confirming the Manly Drive with 80 microNewtons per Kilowatt...
Since it would be a new element of physics, would it then need a new unit of measurement? Such as the 'manly'? The drive he made produced something of ten kilomanlys
Infinite improbably drive
and the scientific community were complaining about the em drive? wait until they hear about this...
12:40 "We're about to wobble our way to the Mun"
-Scott Manley, 2017
Seeing a lot of people tried to propose names for this "thing", I don't think we're short on them; however I was surprised that no one even proposed THE name:
"Jumping Jack Drive"
in space no-one can hear your propetural motion machine clap
It doesn't clap, it goes through them, but your eyes trick you to do either clapping, or clipping
Fancy Cat Gaming FCG
Do you seriously not have a sense of humor?
krillin6 ... sorry don't remember posting that, so uhm... but I do have a sense of humor...
reading your comment i had a narrators voice in my head saying it... underlayed with hip hop clap sound effects!
Most underrated comment on the board lol
It breaks the laws of physics, it's horrifying.
Its wonderfull, sadly its not breaking the laws of physics. :(
LOP1698. wait what?
It's exploiting a flaw in the programming of KSP but it is arguable that if it's possible than it's not cheating.
no its magnificent - lets hope the kraken isn't angered by it though.
Kevin Miedema
It uses infernal robotics. The kraken is pissed even before it's turned on.
I propose we call this propulsion the "Manley Drive".
I call it "Velocity Pump"
I like it. It just sorta pumps/swings mass around and the equal/opposite reaction is that it pumps velocity into your ship! Now Scott have two pump. Physics win every time.
+Justin P Good meme
I call the wobbly wibbly abusing device or W.W.A
If you watch soviet sci-fi movie Kin-dza-dza!, you will there find surprisingly similar looking vehicle "pepelats". Similar not only on the outside, but also on basic principle of flight: it was using Gravitsapa - component that allows intergalactic travel and had to do something with gravity.
You need more landing legs further out or added reaction control momentum wheels or gyroscopes or thrusters to prevent it from tipping. You could also throttle it by changing the pump flow rates.
Seriously, you should explain why this doesn't work in real life, that it's the path of the mass that is the fluid in the tanks that matter not the tanks going around in a circle. I'm pretty sure most first year students think of this momentum drive concept or one similar to it and think it's brilliant and it probably takes them a while to work out why it isn't, many may never bother to work out why it doesn't work.
To fix this, they need subtract _directional_ inertia/KE (same thing, not sure what KSP uses internally) from the source tank and add it to the target tank. The addition needs to maintain the direction so that the actual conservation laws can take place. KSP probably doesn't do this because it assumes rockets are rigid so pieces of the rockets won't ever have different velocity vectors. Infernal robots breaks this assumption, which is why this isn't necessarily a bug. This is the same reason why KSP also doesn't compute colliders for the same ship.
Suedocode but you can also use pumping to create thrust completely without mods by spinning your spacecraft and pumping fuel around at the right times. So this exploit also works without mods
Icto gan Ahh yeah the original manifestation of this engine. I had completely forgotten... Also, the addition/subtraction I think needs to be strictly with momentum. I don't know what I was thinking when I said inertia, and KE has no direction so that was a weird thing to say...
Momentum Anti-Newtonian Liquid Impulse drive, or MANLI drive for short.
SSTO to Eeloo and back infinite times no refuel
Quite clearly it's a Slightly Implausible Broken Physics drive. (SIBP)
Or perhaps the Excessively Implausible Physics Abuse drive? (EIPA)
Or maybe, Mostly Unlikely Disjointed Inertia drive. (MUDI)
Yes... That one is amusing. XD
How about
Majorly Unreal Gravity Evasion Rotor (MUGER)
mmh. I think that's enough... For now... XD
(OK, fine, one more. The... Gravel Inertia Gravity Groping Launch Engine - (GIGGLE))
MUDIMUDIMUDIMUDIMUDIMUDIMUDI!
+cwTobby UURRRRIIII!
I think it’s a uguugugugugugugww
"I know this defies the Law of Gravity, but, you see, I never studied law!" - Bugs Bunny
"Physics? what's that? can i drink it?" - KSP dev team.
Most people dont see that in real life that materials have to be transfered back actually cause a force, unlike in kerbal
Time to leave the program open and see if you can approach light speed... in about 9 years.
about 900. If he's moving at 20 m/s (that's more powerful than it actually is) that's about ~174 days. Now of course if you do x4 speed it'd be about 43 days our time.
ZarPof excellent. This needs to become a thing for someone. If we violate the laws of thermodynamics, we might as well violate the speed of light itself.
Robert Strader
LOL. In reality as they approached C it would take longer and longer. However, KSP in Newtonian not relativistic so it ignores that fact.
Robert Strader I have reached light speed in ksp on my channel check it out
You'd want to switch the solar panels for them KSP super powerful RTGs. But yeah, this exploits all the missing stuff in KSP physics, so it's ripe. :-)
Good, now dock this thing
Love how it looked like the solar panel was going to save your landing, then peaced out last second
I love that in KSP you even need to carefully engineer when you break physics!
"I mean... I didn't die... which is OK, it is some sort of achievement" - Quote of the year :)
Scott, OBS Studio allows you to record separate sound tracks and it can record using Shadowplay encoder.
Didn't know about that but I used to use DxTory to achieve a similar effect of mixing audio. Between that and Virtual Audio Cable They used to be my two most used programs to record games etc.
Ok, now make it so that you can throttle it ;)
That just means adjusting the rotation speed.
As well as the transfer speed, because those have to be in sync.
He can just transfer only part of the tank. This will be much simpler than rotation adjustments.
but less efficient.
Maybe you could use the extending parts from IR (I forgot what they're called) in place of the girders, you could throttle to some extent by changing the length of the arms?
This is one of those optical illusions too. It mostly looks like they're just clacking back and forth but if you look past them it looks like they're spinning in a full circle. makes my eyes hurt lol
Can you setup KOS to loop indefinitely, reading your throttle settings, and then base transfer rate and rotation accordingly?
This is beautiful Scott. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
Depending on how you look at it it can look like the tanks are bouncing off each other or are rotating and I really can't tell which is the case.
I'm glad you're playing with kos, it's so fun!
Should call it the SMMEGD or something...
(Scott Manley Mass Effect Gyro Drive)
I'm liking the SMEG Drive myself.
LexieAssassin Very similar to smeg head, But i highly doubt this ship has a hologram projector.
IneptØrange There is probably a mod for that if I know the gaming community.
Scott this is damned black magic and I've been giggling uncontrollably from second one of launch, you wizard
Just a thought from a *VERY* amateur coder. Could you set it up so that when you call the program you pass it a variable for how many cycles you want it to run? That would give you a modicum of control. Additionally, could you maybe change your thrust by making a second drive rotated 90 degrees out of phase with the main one that rotates at a different rate in the opposite configuration, thus reducing (or increasing if you desire) the thrust generated?
BEHOLD THE QUANTUM WONTON!
QUANTON!
Haven't seen the complete vid, so I dont know if Scott hasnt come to the same association but I would describe this device as a "Mystical Space Butterfly" XD
if you can get surface velocity and altitude, you should be able to add a function for controlling the rotation rate to automatically regulate thrust for landing.
"Please, stop abusing me !" - physics.
What is that saying again... "Friends don't let friends build reactionless thrusters?" =p
Friends don't let friends use reactionless thrusters. That's a warning to sci-fi authors, because reactionless thrusters break so many things.
Scott, how about new "Most Kerbal Spacecraft Ever" episode with this inertialess drive? It definitely looks like a winner, and if it can power a submarine!.. Well, it might even be able to return from zero level of Jool ;)
Scott Manley: [finally lands a spacecraft perfectly]
Scott Manley .000000001 seconds later: [max throttle]
Scott Manley: "Oh crap crap! I fired my engines! I touched down! Dammit dammit! That was a PERFECT landing."
I love this channel.
I have never seen physical law violation look more majestic.
I would call it the Glitchdrive. Or GliDr for short.
I love the G-Meter jumping up and down XD
So Majestic. Like a 4 winged eagle clipping its wings through each other on its way into orbit by defying physics. The Manley Implausibility Drive shall be known throughout the ages as a marvel or game based pseudo-scientific engineering!
what if you use extremely strong pistons that retract and extend (like the fuel tranfers) and 4 struts spinning with piston extending on it, without spinnig inside of each other ?
That's one way to overcome the transfer rate. Nice work there.
This is the coolest thing anyone has ever done in KSP.
(Sorry Danny)...
Danny's taken an interest in this video, I expect he'll start using it.
Happy After-Birthday Scott!
6:35 - "It is marvelous!"
It is ridiculous! Yet awesome. :)
It shall be called the Scott-Manley-Drive!
First it looked like they were spinning, then they looked like scissors and then I almost fainted holy crap it's breaking my brain as well as the laws of physics
"first on the scene of the crime" the crime against the laws of physics
I'm speechless. That is probably the most Kerbal thing I've ever seen.
One fun thing about such a low energy physics breaking drive is who cares if you mess up your orbit? Just do a correction burn. It's pretty much free, so even if you use the least efficient method you can think of it'll still work out. XD
I guess Scott's never seen an abused physics PSA
I invented this about 30 yrs ago by tossing a ball in the air,for when you toss a ball in the air, STRAIGHT up, for a millisecond it would be weightless ,any way this is the first that somebody made it ,even though it would it wouldn't work .....good job😃.....what you need is a saucer shape, with 8 nodes around the craft and see what happens....
As kurtjmac would say...... Like a glove
Scott, I just had a thought... Could this work better by mounting the tanks onto linear actuators, that way your motion is strictly linear, no torque induction, and you can put it into a cargo bay for aerodynamics!
Hilarious! Years ago in school some guy actually got blueprints from somewhere for such a machine with revolving weights that supposedly would be a reactionless drive. Ridiculous but still Fun to watch.
Transfering mass to the bottom tanks would have helped with landing
Quite a cool illusion. Watch one fuel tank and it'll spin around perfectly, but if you just watch in the middle it kinda clinks together like a Newtons cradle.
Scott! You broke the physics again!
Scott, I think you can read the throttle value in KOS and transfer the percentage relative to that to have more control.
Every time I look away and back, it is spinning in a different direction
So I genuinely wonder. If you used custom parts and such, could you build some kind of spaceship around one of these? It'd be awesome to see you build like... a proper ship with one of these drives powering it. Even if you had to make the ship itself so big it needed conventional rockets to get into space. Once you were in space, this thing would just provide more and more acceleration.
No need to deal with Bandicam if you don't like it. Dxtory also records multiple audio inputs as separate streams.
Scott! You should add "Free Energy machine that works!" to this video's title! :D
that thing spinning is one hell of an eye illusion.
17:25 yea, they studied black holes and found out more about lightspeed. Scott your polite when telling dummies they don't know what they are saying(they have no comprehension).. let alone thinking.
Scott, do you know that DXTory lets you record to different audio tracks at the same time? Might be worth a look. I've never looked back after using it.
7:00 there's actually a couple of mod parts that seem to check for colliders on the same vehicle, too.
It's a Manley INertia/Gravity Exploitation drive. Congrats, you've designed the MINGE drive.
The most "steampunk with magic"-ish thing in KSP I've ever seen.
You could make it controllable by reading your throttle level- if you can make run at X% efficiency, then you can directly connect the two. If not, then 0 throttle will correspond to turn off/reset, and anything nonzero will activate full throttle.
Thanks for posting this, now my science mode space program is using it. Not as effective as yours, but it's very useful to have a basically infinite delta-v ship.
There is a user input in kOS now. So you can set the amount of fuel transfered and thus control the throttle.
I love poor Corfrid freaking out of the corner there, like he's spending the entire time going "HOW THE FUCK IS THIS WORKING?!"
with an infinite drive like that, you could just point at whatever body you wanna go to, physics accelerate and then let it go for a while, you can go anywhere super fast
Hey Scott! Hilarious stuff as always, only wondering if you gonna upload the whole livestream? I love it when you do!
Jumping jacks, now you can't stop either.
:)
This is a beautiful machine
Congrats Manly for that manly illusion!
This looks like some kind of space-squid to me... *oh wait, it's the literal Kraken*.
I think I know how to make it avoid self-collision:
Make a T-shaped structure, and attach the rotating arms on the branches of the T, with the base attached to the craft itself. One could even have, say, a pair of arms spaced along both of the branches. It could also be made into a + shape, with more spaceship on the top.
YOU just made a sterling engine in rocket form this is so cool
vaultboy 124 how is this a sterling engine?
@@Sparrow420
「ｒｏｔａｔｅ」
Scott you've fuckin' outdone yourself this time
Happy Birthday Scott Manley
you might be able to throttle it, by having a ore tank on the base, and metering the amount in the arms, that way having adjustable amounts in the working parts.
Hilarious concept and construction!
I think you should try making some fairly large ship using B9 or something and have normal thrusters to escape atmosphere and get to orbit, but for transfer burns and whatnot use this drive scaled up a little. It wont have as good a specific impulse as you do here, but this shows that it's extremely sustainable. Combine it with the huge thrusters from B9 on extremely low throttle, using gravity assists, there'd be no problem getting to other planets
Scott, for throttling, what about cutting off the fuel transfers early in one direction? Then you wouldn't have to worry about trying to sync the movement speed with the transfer speed. Maybe you could even check the actual throttle value with kOS.
It really looks like a pair of scissors cutting through an invisible tape leading to space.
This thing looks like the equivelant of a windmill strapped to a capsule that actually makes it fly :P
I really like your total disregard for the unlimited potential of your meme drive to just ignore all constraints of efficiency and common sense
It ain't Kerbal unless you're breaking something that shouldn't be broken. Breaking physics is just yet another Kraken sticker for Jeb to stick to the side of his personal rocket.
Scott, an idea of how to throttle it down sorta. Try having reduced parallel transfers / reduced rotation speed scripts ready, which would give you less effective thrust for finer control. I guess thats not so easy since you would need to switch scripts for a different throttle setting. I think some reduced power would have helped you nail that munar landing.
Yeah ,so happy birthday to you man. apaently tday was the birthday? lol. time to put that in the youtube calender
I may or may not be a day late, but happy birthday! :-)