wouldn't have been Cincinnati as the city was named for the 'American Cincinnatus' - George Washington. Maybe it could've been called Cornwallington or something, so he could be the Duke of Cornwallington.
I doubt he would have been made a Duke, more likely a lesser title such as Count/Viscount. Field Marshal MOntgomery of WW2 fame was made Viscount Montgomery of Al Amein. (Sp) Then again Cornwallis could just as easily have left Tavington out to dry which seems likely.
Everything about Mel Gibson movies comes from an alternate universe. For example, Tavington was really Banastre Tarleton and he survived the war, living until 1833. He subsequently served in Portugal and Ireland, then became a Whig MP. There's a street named after him in Liverpool.
Well, yeah, but for most of human history up to that point, the aristocracy was mostly made up of prominent landowners. So it's not that significant or surprising of a statement
Uh, its always been landowners and lawyers who begin social unrest. We're all controlled by a ruling class, we just don't work for them. We are human resources.
so the first mistake Tavington ever made wasn't actually underestimating his enemy, nor was it murdering innocent civilians. Rather it was him wanting to own Ohio.
"Tell me about Ohio" well it used to have LeBron but now has one of the crappiest teams in the NBA so if you're into that I wouldn't get land in there.
Interestingly, the position of Duchess of Cleveland was created by King Charles II for his mistress, Barbara Castlemaine. Her son and then grandson inhereited the title, but then it died out just before the American Revolution.
at 0:13, Cornwallis motions Tavington over to him after Tavington's remark, which to me came across as due to Tavington's smart ass remark. When I first saw the movie I thought Cornwallis was going to slap him.
"Quite impressive for a farmer with a pitchfork, don't you, sir?" In just one phrase, Tavington give Cornwallis back his underestimation (when he underestimated his opponents)
This is EXACTLY how the government treats their own. Never would they dare think to treat a foreign enemy with as much hate and disdain. Just like the Union did in the Civil War.
He sent his doppelganger to get killed by Mel's character, hauled butt to Ohio, realized his mistake, was henceforth trapped there and yeah, you're right, they never spoke again. The ending the history books never wanted you to read about!
Ironically, Cornwallis is breaking a treaty nearly 20 years old. After the French and Indian War, the British restricted migration into the Ohio River Valley to quell Native Americans. This outraged the Colonists, who wanted control of the Valley.
The British crown had no real interest in only holding the eastern seaboard. It'd have been like if they respected the treaties they signed in South Africa, Australia, or India. They always expanded.
Florida is hurricanes alot of crocodiles and alot if beaches but one thing about Florida it's a tourist season all year round its sunny and hot muggy tell me more about ohio
Its fascinating American history. These British Officers truly believed the war was going to make them wealthy land owners in America. So much in fact, they wrote their wives telling them to expect to move to America. The chilling fact is that they were almost correct. Almost at every turn, the Americans looked defeated. George Washington's army was almost wiped out (4 times).
only reason they held was because of guerilla tactics. they may have had losses on open battlefields but they made up for it by nicking supplies and killing officers. Not to mention asset denial where anything they couldn't take whenever ground was lost was often destroyed
If they can just return under my rule, I can give them one seat each in the house of Commons per colony and one lord for each colony in the house of lords. Only Ohio will have two seats each in both the Houses. Then, they can be taxed with representation.
- "I prefer to do what is necessary. I, alone, will assume the full Mend of Responsibility for my Actions, free from the Chain of Command and rendering you blameless. However, if I do this, you and I both know that I can never return to England with Honor; what I wonder is to become of me!" - "When this War is over here in the Colonies, the new Aristocracy would be Landowners." - "Tell me about Ohio..."
A rare example from a villain when Tavington decides to settle in the new world instead of returning to his homeland in taking reponsibility of his war crimes and keep Cornwallis' record clean. Many times when at least one hero decides to stay in the new world or realm because at home, he's nobody, an outcast, a loser, but there, he's loved and respected by the locals.
I have scoured historical records on line and can't find any reference to a new aristocracy being created had Britain won the war. Then again, this is a Mel Gibson movie, so what should anyone expect.
Tavington was a Machiavellian who understood the TRUE NATURE of the world and didn't fall for the ruling class's NARRATIVES about being "civilized" and "honorable". He was there to advance the interests of the British Empire. Everything else is just narrative to pacify the masses who obviously CAN'T stomach this fact yet BENEFIT from it.
@@captainnutsack8151 Tavington was a Machiavellian who understood the TRUE NATURE of the world and didn't fall for the ruling class's NARRATIVES about being "civilized" and "honorable". He was there to advance the interests of the British Empire. Everything else is just narrative to pacify the masses who obviously CAN'T stomach this fact yet BENEFIT from it.
Being sent to Ohio seems excessive even for his war crimes.
LOL
Not when you own all of Ohio. ;)
You, sir, win the internet.
Much like your name, Mr. Rob a cock or Robocop or whatever your name is, I enjoyed this line excessivly.. lol..
Bahaha. You beat me to it
He clearly was not told about Ohio, or he would have immediately sailed back to England on the fastest ship he could find.
😂😂😂😂😂
Sohan Dsouza Ohio rocks man idk what you’re talking about 😂 where are you from ?
@@GoBuckeyes216 Must've confused Ohio with Iowa. Davenport to be exact.
Joseph Mulvihill ahhh I’ve heard of a strip club in Davenport, IA that truckers go to
@@GoBuckeyes216 Charming city it is. Sits right on the Mighty Mississippi. Perhaps excessive rainfall will swell the river and...
I love Cornwallis! Tom Wilkinson is a superb actor🌹RIP
Literally every phone call with my father after I moved to Ohio. "So son, tell me about....Ohio."
Haha
Lol
Brilliant
A man of culture, and good humor 👍
That’s hilarious 🤣👌
The deleted scene showed Tavington asking about Delaware, after being told about Ohio.
Imagine in an alternate universe, Tavington’s progeny would have grown up holding the peerage: Duke of Cincinnati.
wouldn't have been Cincinnati as the city was named for the 'American Cincinnatus' - George Washington. Maybe it could've been called Cornwallington or something, so he could be the Duke of Cornwallington.
@@OmegaTrooper ... Cornwallington? Or maybe, I don't know, New Cornwall?
I doubt he would have been made a Duke, more likely a lesser title such as Count/Viscount. Field Marshal MOntgomery of WW2 fame was made Viscount Montgomery of Al Amein. (Sp) Then again Cornwallis could just as easily have left Tavington out to dry which seems likely.
@@chuckjohannessen3330 Viscount Akron
Everything about Mel Gibson movies comes from an alternate universe. For example, Tavington was really Banastre Tarleton and he survived the war, living until 1833. He subsequently served in Portugal and Ireland, then became a Whig MP. There's a street named after him in Liverpool.
"When this war is over... the new aristocracy will be landowners".
He wasn't wrong.
In France we call those Robe Aristocrats
Well, yeah, but for most of human history up to that point, the aristocracy was mostly made up of prominent landowners. So it's not that significant or surprising of a statement
Corporations?
Uh, its always been landowners and lawyers who begin social unrest. We're all controlled by a ruling class, we just don't work for them. We are human resources.
@@thecashmaker1994 corporations are just incorporated money laundering scams run by extortion rings. With personhood rights 🥴
"Tell me about Ohio"
"Its full of homeless dope fiends, but if youre into fentanyl, its heaven."
honesty is refreshing regardless of it's sting
times were different dck head lol
He said Ohio not California 😂
And the winters suck.
@@mikelkelly9693 Clearly you haven't been to Ohio, or live in Ohio and haven't gone farther than five feet from your gated community.
Whenever I meet someone from Ohio I quote this line. About 2% of the time people get it. Other than that they think I’m a weirdo
"Tell me about Ohio."
"Unless you're a Buckeyes fan, the sports teams suck."
Unless you have no shame, that is.
As a Reds fan this hits home🤣
Certainly not the Bengals
Hear Hear
Of all states, he would pick Ohio, not much of a loss there 😂
I like how he can barely hold back bursting out in laughter while he delivers the line.
That’s great… didn’t notice it but I love it
He's being such a troll to cornwallis
so the first mistake Tavington ever made wasn't actually underestimating his enemy, nor was it murdering innocent civilians. Rather it was him wanting to own Ohio.
And that Jared here want to punch Ohio
Probably the only time anyone was interested in Ohio.
“Tell me about... Cleveland”
*camera zooms in playing rap music*
"Tell me about Ohio." Well, "Cleveland rocks."
"Tell me about Ohio" well it used to have LeBron but now has one of the crappiest teams in the NBA so if you're into that I wouldn't get land in there.
Charles Buxton ask Joakim Noah about it.
I knew Colonel Taviah was a Cavs fan
"But I must say my Lord. Avoid Cincinnati."
The Browns suck.
Cornwallis...."and if you fail Tavington, I'll simply give you Cleveland."
😂th3 best!
At least were not Detroit!
R.I.P Tom Wilkinson
Tavington: tell me about Ohio
Me: well...it's round on the edges and hi in the middle
As a Michigander, it's a greeting between two assholes.
Me sitting in Ohio: “not much here dude. I’d suggest to keep looking”
"Tell me about Ohio".
Cornwallis taking a deep breath.
"You should go back to England and take your chances".
😂. Atleast tavington has a chance in England. Ohio is a lost cause.
"Tell me about Ohio" Sure dude.. You can take it.
Tom Wilkerson played both Cornwallis AND Franklin. Quite a versatile actor.
A gem of an actor. Never get tired of him.
@@IronMan-tk8uc May he rest in peace.
@@chrisidoo Indeed.
Tell me about Ohio , well you've got the Tribe , the Cavs, and the Browns
Jason Isaacs knocked this role out of the park!
As many films as I've seen, I haven't seen him in any other roles. He is strong in this one, for sure.
@@johnfoster4244 Armageddon and Black Hawk Down off the top of my head
He plays such a good bad guy.
No one better to be Lucius Malfoy than a man who plays a character that is cruel, callous and hates liberty
I like how he pours himself a drink.
What can we expect from a man interested in ohio. I'm glad it was not a glass full of meth.
"Tell me about... Ohio."
"Well, it's a greeting between two assholes."
LMAOOOO I'll use this, most underrated comment in the universe
Down in Ohio. Swag like Ohio.
I'm sure happy that dude isn't in charge of Ohio
"Tell me about Ohio".
"you'd really rather not know"
That's the last time some one was so interested with ohio
DOWN IN OHIO SWAG LIKE OHIO
Quiet cringe dork
Tom Wilkinson is a truly great actor!!❤❤❤
Indeed. Can't tire of him as Ben Franklin in John Adams (HBO).
@@IronMan-tk8uc indeed. His Golden Globe and Emmy for best supporting actor was well deserved.
This was the one point in history when Ohio was desirable
I remember a time when Erie Indiana was like Ohio is now.
And at the time, unreachable, given a royal proclamation limiting expansion past the Appalachian Mountains for the foreseeable future.
I saw this movie when it first came out into theaters. It remains one of my favorite films
You have good taste my friend
Such a brilliant villain acting performance.
Jason Isaacs should have played
James Bond at least once
"Tell me about Ohio"
(sings THAT Cleveland Tourism video song)
Dude was so freaking mean in this movie
Nice comment Amy 👌👌👌👌🌷👌
Thats why he would have gotten Ohio
Cornwallis face says It all: Tavington doesnt knows about Ohio
This was where Cornwallis' pride got the better of him as he made a deal with the devil that ultimately screwed him over in the end.
Agent1W idc what people say big thats my husband lmaooooo WILLIAM TAVINGTON
Your right there, Jason Isaacs played this role so well he such a handsome man I've ever seen
Agent1W this didn't even happen bro
Agent1W only a film dude, in reality the French and the overall extent of the British Empire meant forces were too stretched in the America’s
Agent1W It wasn‘t Tavington‘s fault, that they lost the war. The movie also isn’t historical accurate at all.
Carmine Falcone is the General and Lucius Malfoy is the Commanding British Officer
I can only imagine the title: Lord Tavington Duke of Cleveland, Earl of Cincinnati, Baron of Elyria.
Butt of Jokes
You forgot Count of Canton 😆
Interestingly, the position of Duchess of Cleveland was created by King Charles II for his mistress, Barbara Castlemaine. Her son and then grandson inhereited the title, but then it died out just before the American Revolution.
Lame of Lima
Tell me about Ohio...
The graduate dental program is one of the best but its strange and the crime is high.
The kinda reminds of Lex Luthor and General Zod
“What do you want?”
“Australia!”
at 0:13, Cornwallis motions Tavington over to him after Tavington's remark, which to me came across as due to Tavington's smart ass remark. When I first saw the movie I thought Cornwallis was going to slap him.
Like Dave Chappelle said, “the word ‘Ohio’ is an ancient Native American word which means-‘Land of poor white people’” 😂
And yet he lives and raises a family there😂
Words of wisdom by Lord Dave Chappelle.
I've just heard the news that Tom Wilkinson (who played General Cornwallis in this film) has died.
"Quite impressive for a farmer with a pitchfork, don't you, sir?"
In just one phrase, Tavington give Cornwallis back his underestimation (when he underestimated his opponents)
"Ohio is a dangerous yet strange area, my lord."
Lol!❤😂
0:47 I like how he didn't say leave us to his servant.
*nervous look*
"Thank you, sire"
Good catch my lord.
When you don't have to say anything to be commanding is 'true badass'.
Ohio?, What good can possibly be found in Ohio?😂
Tavington don't! Ohio is too cursed as hell!
This is EXACTLY how the government treats their own. Never would they dare think to treat a foreign enemy with as much hate and disdain. Just like the Union did in the Civil War.
He told him about Ohio. They never spoke again.
He sent his doppelganger to get killed by Mel's character, hauled butt to Ohio, realized his mistake, was henceforth trapped there and yeah, you're right, they never spoke again. The ending the history books never wanted you to read about!
It's THE swing state.
Not if you steal WI, PA, GA, MI, NV, and AZ...
Tell me about….CLEVELAND…..
Cornwallis' banyan is the most accurate thing in this entire scene
Don't go to east Cleveland or you'll die.
classic Ohio Meme
Ironically, Cornwallis is breaking a treaty nearly 20 years old. After the French and Indian War, the British restricted migration into the Ohio River Valley to quell Native Americans. This outraged the Colonists, who wanted control of the Valley.
I didn't know that. But, it does make sense. Then again, this movie, while entertaining, was incredibly inaccurate.
That was the bigger reason why the colonists rebelled against the crown
Imagine that... The British breaking treaties.
The British crown had no real interest in only holding the eastern seaboard. It'd have been like if they respected the treaties they signed in South Africa, Australia, or India. They always expanded.
Probably only movie I know where the underling is more evil than the boss.
Person from Ohio: "Man, I love being from Ohio"
Other Person: "Do you wanna move back?"
Person from Ohio: "Tell me about....Florida"
Florida is hurricanes alot of crocodiles and alot if beaches but one thing about Florida it's a tourist season all year round its sunny and hot muggy tell me more about ohio
"I said from, not in."
This comment aged so well.
“Tell me about Ohio”
No one:
Me: 🎶“Fun times in Cleveland today, CLEVELAND!”
“Tell me about, Ohio”
“Well… There’s a lot of weird things that go on there-“
Only in Ohio 💀
1:37 This kinda happened anyway...
Yay !
That was the case before the revolution as well, both in the US and most of the civilized world
Anyone here from Ohio? If so, did you see this film in the theater? I'm assuming that line generated a big laugh or reaction from the audience..
You would have no idea why Ohio would be brought up in this film without context.
"well, there is this garden of eden called........ashtabula...
Its fascinating American history. These British Officers truly believed the war was going to make them wealthy land owners in America. So much in fact, they wrote their wives telling them to expect to move to America. The chilling fact is that they were almost correct.
Almost at every turn, the Americans looked defeated. George Washington's army was almost wiped out (4 times).
only reason they held was because of guerilla tactics. they may have had losses on open battlefields but they made up for it by nicking supplies and killing officers. Not to mention asset denial where anything they couldn't take whenever ground was lost was often destroyed
@@killer13324 Even with the French helping the Yankees, I sometimes think that the U.S. winning that war was the stuff of destiny!
@@killer13324and that bit the Americans back in Vietnam 200 years later.
I'm from NE Ohio and I can tell him: keep looking. It sucks here!!
only in ohio
Well you got the roller coaster capital of the world Cedar Point, that’s a pro.
great freaking acting
Bruh my teacher literally played this during social studies class 💀
Wow, I'm surprised you could upload the footage from this Colonial Age camera.
Only in Ohio
If they can just return under my rule, I can give them one seat each in the house of Commons per colony and one lord for each colony in the house of lords.
Only Ohio will have two seats each in both the Houses.
Then, they can be taxed with representation.
Tell me about....Detroit
Tavington: " Tell me about… Ohio."
Me: "Well… it's high in the middle, and round at the ends."
"Tell me about Ohio."
"Have you ever gone mad colonel?"
- "I prefer to do what is necessary. I, alone, will assume the full Mend of Responsibility for my Actions, free from the Chain of Command and rendering you blameless. However, if I do this, you and I both know that I can never return to England with Honor; what I wonder is to become of me!"
- "When this War is over here in the Colonies, the new Aristocracy would be Landowners."
- "Tell me about Ohio..."
A rare example from a villain when Tavington decides to settle in the new world instead of returning to his homeland in taking reponsibility of his war crimes and keep Cornwallis' record clean.
Many times when at least one hero decides to stay in the new world or realm because at home, he's nobody, an outcast, a loser, but there, he's loved and respected by the locals.
…said no one, with any remote interest, ever since.
It's the heart of it all
In his defense, we have a pitchfork at my work, and you could really fuck someone up with one of those
These days you'll never see someone show that much interest in Ohio
Tav :’Wait, it’s all Ohio?’
*cornwall pulls out gun
Cornwall: ‘always has been’
*bang
I like the turn of the head and the servant walks out
Bro literally asked about Ohio 💀
We’ll look on the bright side. Cars weren’t invented yet so we wouldn’t have to put up with him being a lousy damn from Ohio driver! 😁😂🤣
I have scoured historical records on line and can't find any reference to a new aristocracy being created had Britain won the war.
Then again, this is a Mel Gibson movie, so what should anyone expect.
On second thought, tell me about Newark New Jersey.
Tell me about Ohio.
Wolverines: "Well, we OWN the Buckeyes!"
Tell me about Ohio. Well they got Chili restaurants all over the place
He plays in some historical movies too about the revolutionary war
Tavington was the best anti-hero I've ever seen....brutal, just brutal.
Indeed
These Kind of Brutal, yet Gentle and disciplined in manner Villans are rarely seen.
He has got more thunder than the real Hero.
An "anti-hero" is someone you root for. A protagonist. Nobody rooted for Tavington. He was a villain, not an "anti-hero".
Tavington was a Machiavellian who understood the TRUE NATURE of the world and didn't fall for the ruling class's NARRATIVES about being "civilized" and "honorable". He was there to advance the interests of the British Empire. Everything else is just narrative to pacify the masses who obviously CAN'T stomach this fact yet BENEFIT from it.
@@captainnutsack8151 Tavington was a Machiavellian who understood the TRUE NATURE of the world and didn't fall for the ruling class's NARRATIVES about being "civilized" and "honorable". He was there to advance the interests of the British Empire. Everything else is just narrative to pacify the masses who obviously CAN'T stomach this fact yet BENEFIT from it.
These people would have spoken with old English accents
Cornwallis started out honorable but when things became personal with Martin he allowed tavington to do what he wanted if it meant catching Martin
"Tell me about good morning"
Man of all States 😂