The home owner should be pleased he chose you to do the job,otherwise he may have got a bad floor in a few years time, Good work you and your team 👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
A lot of that wire message you picked up the void the police gets smashed right back down to the ground when you walk on it to place the concrete I have removed a lot of old concrete and most of the wire mesh is always laying on the ground
I was taught that you use sharp crushed stone under a slam because it locks together when it is compacted. You'd use round stone around a French drain perforated pipe because it doesn't lock together over time and the water will flow through it better.
Not true. We pour on round rock all the time. It is 100% compacted when placed. Every slab on grade has radon pipe with open round rock under entire slab.
I think it's nice of you to explain to the owner that it won't work that way with that gravel layer. there are plenty of companies that don't say it and only think about making money quickly. greetings from the Netherlands
Ron I think you did everything you could. What I don’t understand is why have a guy that doesn’t understand what needs to be done, do a job. If he is gonna have you pour it I’d just let you prep it . Then you know it right . Great job.👍🏻
Beautiful surface finish will impress the customer. If the steel is not surrounded by concrete it is almost a waste of time and money. Maybe a little point load spreading. Back in ten years to lift the failed slab. With care the steel could be used again
Made this mistake once, long ago with an elevated parking spot. 3/4" washed stone. Customer called and told me he was getting stuck with his little Toyota sedan. Went out with a bunch of bags of cement mix. Covered the whole area and washed it in. Problem solved and lesson learned. Still drained pretty good. That stone will never settle in and lock without the fines.
You can use the clean stone under concrete but like you said, you can't drive on it with a truck. Once you poly and mesh it, wheelbarrows and/or buggies work fine. Big pours require pumps or telebelts for placement.
Other things apart, those concrete layers do not know what they are doing. They are NOT lifting the wire mesh. You can see this at all the edges of the poured concrete and the wire is right on the bottom, not raised at all. Apart from all questions of compaction (preparation stage), that poured concrete needs to be removed before it sets, to allow fresh pouring with proper raising of the mesh. The mesh should be raised to about half height of the concrete. The steel mesh will rust rather quickly and will offer no strength. They are pouring and smoothing. No wire pulling at all. The concrete will crack all over with very little force being required.
It sounded like the main reason the round rock couldn't work was because the delivery trucks driving over it would mess it up, but pumping it wouldn't affect the stone. Any particular reason you couldn't pump the concrete? Was it more expensive to pump then replace the round rock with crush? Or is the round rock a bad option for a base material in a barn or other place where there's heavy loads expected?
I used round washed gravel under garage floors and basement floors for over 20 years, never had any problems, I used wheelbarrows with wheeling boards, in the garages I would use rods, put into the walls, and sitting on the lookout ledge if the basement was block wall. But in this application, if you hadn’t done what you did, he would have had a mess, that was a good call for you and the customer, down the road, the blame would have been shifted to the professional doing the job. 👍
Round stone that size is non-compactable (same with pea-gravel). Round stone is great for wall backfill and under basement slabs as it provides good drainage and will not settle. Probably would also make a strong base for concrete slabs, but it would become rutted by concrete truck tires. An alternative might've been to lay down planks for the truck tires.
Non concrete guy here, never have done a pour. How do you screed up against a wall and out in the center without some kind of form or expansion joint? Does that concrete mix self level itself? I seriously have no idea and I wondered about that due to wanting to pour a small pad myself up against My existing garage footing. I believe it's a monopour slab. Would a large pad need a parameter footing? I was surprised that barn pour didn't blow out the walls? I'm just trying to learn about a DIY project I'm trying to do for My tractor I recently picked up. Btw, you turned that dirt floor barn into one hell of a nice workshop! Nice job!
Meat ball ,we call them footballs.over here we have to have chairs under reo . good to see u care a lot of people would try and pour it ,we love pumps in Australia,nice work like always.
Good call. That round river rock is problematic. A couple blocks down the street I noticed a homeowner put round, washed river rock on a drive a couple of years ago. Like you said, huge mounds of rock are pushed up every time they drive on it. Looks like crap and is a maintenance nightmare. Equally concerning would be that spray foam on the walls. It sure doesn't look thick enough to stop the dew point from happening in the wall cavity. All over YT people are putting a thin layer of closed cell then putting batten insulation up next to it as an attempt to keep cost down. Problem is that dew point forms where the closed cell and the batten insulation meet and lots of water is created and causes a shite ton of mold. Only option is to take the wall covering off, get rid of the batten and spray more foam to stop that dew point from forming. Huge nightmare and huge costs just by folks not understanding how a dew point is form. Love that shirt.
Thanks. Thats drainage stone for sure. The guys that sprayed the foam are real good at knowing how much to spray. They were not doing a flash and batt just foam.
I'm glad I watched this... right now I'm in the process of putting a parking pad in next to my garage... and I was going to use gravel. I live in the inner city where it is difficult to run trucks/machinery due to low hanging wires. Do you know of a product that had stone and "fine", as you call it, that I can get from one of these big box stores... in bags like quickcrete? I'm going to have to go lookin' now... but I'm glad I didn't just try to use gravel.
Here on the East Coast we have what's called "crusher run", which is what you get when running rocks through a crusher and not washing out the fines. It makes an excellent base and isn't too pricey. Never seen it in bags but I'm sure you can get a yard or two delivered. The only down side of this material is the wet stone dust getting on tires and shoes for the first year or two, until it really packs itself in.
We pour on top of 2b gravel or 2b air cooled slag all the time !! Never gave it much of a thought ! We would tamp the hell out of the ground before placing the gravel ! If we were pulling a mixer on the gravel we wouldnt mesh the whole thing till after backing the truck up raking the gravel into any ruts then placing the mesh back down !
Man I do hate wire, I love fiber reinforced and also regular rebar. I can set rebar on bricks every yard or so. I'm never confident that the wire is doing anything! Outdoor with air entrainment and fiber mesh, have been blessed without any cracks.
Nice job it is a lot of hard work I use to do a lot of that as well as tend a mason up in massena for 10 years then moved down here in central square and started to drive big truck till I was forced to retire do to medical reasons but I still remember how much hard work goes into doing a big pour
@@bondobuilt386 ya just a few miles away some day I’ll have to stop by and say hi to you and the guys when ur not so busy I watch all ur videos every sence I found ur channel I enjoy them alot
Nice work guys, I guess that is a classic case of a home owner acting as the contractor, thinking he would save money, but ending up costing more and time and trouble with the rock problem.
I believe he said it was actually an excavator that he discussed the stone issue with and the excavator acted like he didn't understand the problem. Of all people, the excavator should understand about compaction..... From what I can tell the home owner stepped up to the plate, removed the bad stone, filled and packed proper stone.
Using compacted crushed limestone 1 " to dust with a bit of moisture gives a really strong floor foundation, definitely don't use pea gravel /river gravel it just rolls around all day ,really not much good in concrete either needs more cement to achieve the equivalent strength of .limestone and granite
That stone is 1 1/2" washed river rock, it's decorative gravel for landscaping. I've hauled thousands of tons of that all over the country. Definitely not aggregate for concrete.
We bought a 5 acre horse ranch in New Mexico in a high valley @ 7,800ft. First house built 1967, second main house built in 1978, both adobe. Real solid construction, mostly. The things we found under the ground. 220v lines unsheathed laid right next to the water lines, etc. The huge lakeshore rocks buried a million years ago, 6ft chalk layer down three feet under, etc. Like a mine field. The Ditch Witch ain't the answer to laying water/electrical lines. Lucky me, my neighbors have every piece of heavy equipment known to mankind, no charge. I wonder why? Lol! Pays to be a good, friendly neighbor. We give them jars of raw honey and eggs, they come right over. God is good yeah? 🙏
Wow you really saved the owner from the poor quality of the compacted material that was inappropriate for the job. Amazing that kind of mistake could be made. Question. I see in some of your videos use of stone in the bottom of a footing trench. As long as the stone is a fractured material even if it doesn't have fines in it, is that OK, or should you use a well graded material with fines or can you just mix some fines in? The fact you could just scoop up the "compacted" original material was an easy tell.
learn something new everytime, also having second thoughts about a metal building to replace my 24X24 garage with the comments here and on other videos about condensation
I was going to ask about covering it. I had a barn sprayed and did not get it covered yet. I intend to but haven't gotten around to it. I'll be careful for now but use no flames or heat in that building.
@@flat6fever680 it takes a lot to ignite the closed cell, I wouldnt be worried about running heat. It is supposed to be covered by code though. People remember the Station fire in Providence. Building owner used an open cell packing foam on the walls for soundproofing. It went up in smoke in 30 seconds. I think only half the people made it out.
After having to get a lawyer to get my pole barn finished i came to the conclusion that if you want a pole barn, find a place with one already there. It was a year long nightmare. And the concrete guy was the absolute worst jerk ever cutting corners and leaving me with a cracked wavy slab. Beautiful work by you though!
probably could have run the trucks in on wide planks .. looked like it was only trucks making a straight shot in, so no turning was actually required .. packing under 6 inches was likely irrelevant.
You have to remember people don’t know what kind of base rock goes under concrete. I have seen them pore concrete on the bare ground with wire mesh. When I saw that job I told them I wouldn’t cutting the control cracks because in two years it will be all broken up. It didn’t last a year before it was coming up in chunks. They tried putting a car lift in and it wouldn’t even anchor to the concrete. They had to cut squares out and remove the concrete then dig two foot pillars to anchor the car lift . Six months later they took out the rest of the concrete and did it right plus they poured it six inches deep with wire mesh and rebar everywhere. This time there was crushed rock that tamped as hard as concrete plus a heavy vapor barrier. Ignorance is from not knowing but stupidity is for life.
I would of placed half a pallet of sand mixed with half a half a bag of crete to 1 bag of sand someand then spread the sand crete mix into the rock water it and let it set up a couple days 😊
An easier way to say what was wrong with that stone was that it was 'round, river washed stone', which as Ron indicated it don't pack at all. The reason why it don't pack is cause it's round and smooth. You need to use a 'chipped' stone, which packs solid cause it has 'sharp, rough edges' on it. edit: When I got to the 23.40 mark it reminded me of when I was young and taking a piss. Now that I'm old I don't have near that pressure. ROFLMFAO... Oh shit... I'm laughing so damn hard I got tears in my eyes.
There’s an old joke that sums this up. When I was young, and had to piss, I would put it under the wagon wheel spoke to keep from pissing in my eye. Now that I am old I have to lay it across that spoke to keep from pissing on my boots! It’s an old farmer joke! 👍
Out here in the Pacific Northwest we call that round rock river run 1 inch. The next size up 1 to 1 1/2 inch they call sewer rock used for packing around the leach lines. We use crushed shale everywhere that you need a good solid base. It's only money; you cannot take it with you when you die, so spend it on the right, best stuff to use.
Around my parts you order "crush and run", the same stuff you use in roads. It is crushed rock with sand biggest piece about an inch and then all sizes smaller. Packs down nice in gravel driveways.
if anybody ever comes up with a way to get and keep the mesh up, they'll be a millionaire. i poured my own slab once, and i was the dedicated mesh guy. i even used sheet mesh. when i tore a piece out years later for a pier, it was only up 1/2" from the bottom. still a tough piece of slab.
Worked for a company that slipped formed grain elevators. First thing the foreman said was leave the wire mesh in the bottom 1/3 of the concrete. He said take a piece of cheese, hold it flat and break it like if you were driving over it. It will always crack at the bottom first.
@@scottrayhons2537 Correct. The bottom of the slab is where the tension is when driving on it. They no longer use any mesh or reinforcement on the freeway construction - only dowel bars at the saw cut joints. Even the median barrier is reinforcement free. It did more damage when it rusted by popping the concrete.
OK I Seen The Guy Running what looked like a vibrator of sorts and thought there would be high and low spots without using some kind of shaker box on the grade stakes. Thanks And Happy New Year@@bondobuilt386
Nice winter for concrete work!! I was scrambling in late November thinking I was running out of time but I had 3 more months this year!! I always use reprocessed concrete under my concrete, it packs like iron. That "stone guy" didn't do his homework, round stone does not pack, not good for a base at all...
SAFETY- A little too happy and careless at the end of the actual pouring. Flip flops and one man almost gets his foot wedged between the chute and the slab!
The home owner should be pleased he chose you to do the job,otherwise he may have got a bad floor in a few years time,
Good work you and your team 👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Wire mesh police are watching.
100% fractured face agg base. You were saving that fellow a big headache. You gentlemen do nice work.
Thanks Jimmie. Those darn police. LOL
A lot of that wire message you picked up the void the police gets smashed right back down to the ground when you walk on it to place the concrete I have removed a lot of old concrete and most of the wire mesh is always laying on the ground
I was taught that you use sharp crushed stone under a slam because it locks together when it is compacted. You'd use round stone around a French drain perforated pipe because it doesn't lock together over time and the water will flow through it better.
Yes you are spot on bud. this would have been good drainage stone.
Very True
Not true. We pour on round rock all the time. It is 100% compacted when placed. Every slab on grade has radon pipe with open round rock under entire slab.
I think it's nice of you to explain to the owner that it won't work that way with that gravel layer. there are plenty of companies that don't say it and only think about making money quickly. greetings from the Netherlands
I keep looking out my window and still don’t see one of those buildings in my yard. Nice job as always
Thanks Ed. You have said that before. LOL
Sometimes its hard to do the right thing on the job. Glad to see the homeowner understood the issue...thx Gary nj
Ron I think you did everything you could. What I don’t understand is why have a guy that doesn’t understand what needs to be done, do a job. If he is gonna have you pour it I’d just let you prep it . Then you know it right . Great job.👍🏻
Ya I wish we prepped it but we do get so busy sometimes just getting the pores done.
Wavy looking job. I would also recommend pulling the mesh into the mud. Doesn't do another of good buried.
Beautiful surface finish will impress the customer. If the steel is not surrounded by concrete it is almost a waste of time and money. Maybe a little point load spreading. Back in ten years to lift the failed slab. With care the steel could be used again
Yep you did the right thing! Your customer should be very happy he hired you!
Mr Concrete Man
Made this mistake once, long ago with an elevated parking spot. 3/4" washed stone. Customer called and told me he was getting stuck
with his little Toyota sedan. Went out with a bunch of bags of cement mix. Covered the whole area and washed it in. Problem solved and
lesson learned. Still drained pretty good. That stone will never settle in and lock without the fines.
Couldn’t be more professional,awesome.
You can use the clean stone under concrete but like you said, you can't drive on it with a truck. Once you poly and mesh it, wheelbarrows and/or buggies work fine. Big pours require pumps or telebelts for placement.
The big biscuit is looking tone!
Hard work all summer 😀
The client was lucky to hire experienced knowledgeable workers.
Very true. Alot of shady companies would of pumped and dumped. Like not my problem 🙄🙄
Other things apart, those concrete layers do not know what they are doing. They are NOT lifting the wire mesh. You can see this at all the edges of the poured concrete and the wire is right on the bottom, not raised at all. Apart from all questions of compaction (preparation stage), that poured concrete needs to be removed before it sets, to allow fresh pouring with proper raising of the mesh. The mesh should be raised to about half height of the concrete. The steel mesh will rust rather quickly and will offer no strength. They are pouring and smoothing. No wire pulling at all. The concrete will crack all over with very little force being required.
You and your crew always do nice work
Thanks Mark.
Nice job in the end. Great customer communications Ronnie.
Thanks Jim 😀
It sounded like the main reason the round rock couldn't work was because the delivery trucks driving over it would mess it up, but pumping it wouldn't affect the stone. Any particular reason you couldn't pump the concrete? Was it more expensive to pump then replace the round rock with crush? Or is the round rock a bad option for a base material in a barn or other place where there's heavy loads expected?
the round rock will just keep shifting... the concrete will be a maze of cracks in a year if it's getting cars or heavier on it.
I think it would not be a good stone under the slab. Glad we took it out.
@@fhuber7507 Maybe it would
I used round washed gravel under garage floors and basement floors for over 20 years, never had any problems, I used wheelbarrows with wheeling boards, in the garages I would use rods, put into the walls, and sitting on the lookout ledge if the basement was block wall. But in this application, if you hadn’t done what you did, he would have had a mess, that was a good call for you and the customer, down the road, the blame would have been shifted to the professional doing the job. 👍
@@Musclecar1972 Yes sir you are correct.
I'm guessing it should have been the crusher run that I always hear you talk about put down first ?
Yes sir 🤜
What is the point of the metal grid if it is flat on the ground?
It’s so nice when you can pull right in the building!
Round stone that size is non-compactable (same with pea-gravel). Round stone is great for wall backfill and under basement slabs as it provides good drainage and will not settle. Probably would also make a strong base for concrete slabs, but it would become rutted by concrete truck tires. An alternative might've been to lay down planks for the truck tires.
Ya I thought about planks or maybe a pump but I'm glad he took it out.
@@bondobuilt386 Probably a situation you'll never run into again.
@@terrylutke I hope not. LOL
Non concrete guy here, never have done a pour. How do you screed up against a wall and out in the center without some kind of form or expansion joint? Does that concrete mix self level itself? I seriously have no idea and I wondered about that due to wanting to pour a small pad myself up against My existing garage footing. I believe it's a monopour slab. Would a large pad need a parameter footing? I was surprised that barn pour didn't blow out the walls? I'm just trying to learn about a DIY project I'm trying to do for My tractor I recently picked up.
Btw, you turned that dirt floor barn into one hell of a nice workshop! Nice job!
Meat ball ,we call them footballs.over here we have to have chairs under reo . good to see u care a lot of people would try and pour it ,we love pumps in Australia,nice work like always.
Good call. That round river rock is problematic. A couple blocks down the street I noticed a homeowner put round, washed river rock on a drive a couple of years ago. Like you said, huge mounds of rock are pushed up every time they drive on it. Looks like crap and is a maintenance nightmare. Equally concerning would be that spray foam on the walls. It sure doesn't look thick enough to stop the dew point from happening in the wall cavity. All over YT people are putting a thin layer of closed cell then putting batten insulation up next to it as an attempt to keep cost down. Problem is that dew point forms where the closed cell and the batten insulation meet and lots of water is created and causes a shite ton of mold. Only option is to take the wall covering off, get rid of the batten and spray more foam to stop that dew point from forming. Huge nightmare and huge costs just by folks not understanding how a dew point is form. Love that shirt.
Thanks. Thats drainage stone for sure. The guys that sprayed the foam are real good at knowing how much to spray. They were not doing a flash and batt just foam.
I'm glad I watched this... right now I'm in the process of putting a parking pad in next to my garage... and I was going to use gravel. I live in the inner city where it is difficult to run trucks/machinery due to low hanging wires. Do you know of a product that had stone and "fine", as you call it, that I can get from one of these big box stores... in bags like quickcrete? I'm going to have to go lookin' now... but I'm glad I didn't just try to use gravel.
Here on the East Coast we have what's called "crusher run", which is what you get when running rocks through a crusher and
not washing out the fines. It makes an excellent base and isn't too pricey. Never seen it in bags but I'm sure you can get a yard or
two delivered. The only down side of this material is the wet stone dust getting on tires and shoes for the first year or two, until it
really packs itself in.
We pour on top of 2b gravel or 2b air cooled slag all the time !! Never gave it much of a thought ! We would tamp the hell out of the ground before placing the gravel ! If we were pulling a mixer on the gravel we wouldnt mesh the whole thing till after backing the truck up raking the gravel into any ruts then placing the mesh back down !
we also had a vapor barrier to deal with. Proper gravel tamped is hard and easy to drive on.
Man I do hate wire, I love fiber reinforced and also regular rebar. I can set rebar on bricks every yard or so. I'm never confident that the wire is doing anything! Outdoor with air entrainment and fiber mesh, have been blessed without any cracks.
Nice job it is a lot of hard work I use to do a lot of that as well as tend a mason up in massena for 10 years then moved down here in central square and started to drive big truck till I was forced to retire do to medical reasons but I still remember how much hard work goes into doing a big pour
Thanks it is a lot of work but rewarding as well. Wow you live close to me. I'm in New Haven
@@bondobuilt386 ya just a few miles away some day I’ll have to stop by and say hi to you and the guys when ur not so busy I watch all ur videos every sence I found ur channel I enjoy them alot
@@garybarkley2286 Awesome. small world bud. Thanks for watching my videos 👍
Nice work guys, I guess that is a classic case of a home owner acting as the contractor, thinking he would save money, but ending up costing more and time and trouble with the rock problem.
I believe he said it was actually an excavator that he discussed the stone issue with and the excavator acted like he didn't understand the problem. Of all people, the excavator should understand about compaction.....
From what I can tell the home owner stepped up to the plate, removed the bad stone, filled and packed proper stone.
Using compacted crushed limestone 1 " to dust with a bit of moisture gives a really strong floor foundation, definitely don't use pea gravel /river gravel it just rolls around all day ,really not much good in concrete either needs more cement to achieve the equivalent strength of .limestone and granite
That Biscuit is a good worker 👍
Wow, is that 3 mile island in the background? I mean 9 mile point power plant? How long before they come for that?
That stone is 1 1/2" washed river rock, it's decorative gravel for landscaping. I've hauled thousands of tons of that all over the country. Definitely not aggregate for concrete.
Love your channel and your work. Not a fan of click bait title.
We bought a 5 acre horse ranch in New Mexico in a high valley @ 7,800ft. First house built 1967, second main house built in 1978, both adobe. Real solid construction, mostly. The things we found under the ground. 220v lines unsheathed laid right next to the water lines, etc. The huge lakeshore rocks buried a million years ago, 6ft chalk layer down three feet under, etc. Like a mine field. The Ditch Witch ain't the answer to laying water/electrical lines. Lucky me, my neighbors have every piece of heavy equipment known to mankind, no charge. I wonder why? Lol! Pays to be a good, friendly neighbor. We give them jars of raw honey and eggs, they come right over. God is good yeah? 🙏
Curious what areas in central NY do you work in, any chance Chenango county would be within range?
Mostly oswego county.
You have a good crew there.
It all worked out because the homeowner got his drains in. Sometimes mistakes work out for the best.
Thats true
Would using construction mats for the concrete truck to drive on prevented having to change the aggregate?
Wow you really saved the owner from the poor quality of the compacted material that was inappropriate for the job. Amazing that kind of mistake could be made. Question. I see in some of your videos use of stone in the bottom of a footing trench. As long as the stone is a fractured material even if it doesn't have fines in it, is that OK, or should you use a well graded material with fines or can you just mix some fines in? The fact you could just scoop up the "compacted" original material was an easy tell.
Why are you wetting the floor after you sprayed it? Are you wetting it with water and why
learn something new everytime, also having second thoughts about a metal building to replace my 24X24 garage with the comments here and on other videos about condensation
I live in Massachusetts and the code says you have to cover that spray foam. It is very flammable. Always amazes me that hardly anyone covers it.
Yes its not code here to cover it up.
@@bondobuilt386 It takes a very high temp for it to ignite. but when it does. it is awful. I am sure anything poly based is.
@@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975 I am sure it would be a mess if it caught on fire.
I was going to ask about covering it. I had a barn sprayed and did not get it covered yet. I intend to but haven't gotten around to it. I'll be careful for now but use no flames or heat in that building.
@@flat6fever680 it takes a lot to ignite the closed cell, I wouldnt be worried about running heat. It is supposed to be covered by code though.
People remember the Station fire in Providence. Building owner used an open cell packing foam on the walls for soundproofing. It went up in smoke in 30 seconds. I think only half the people made it out.
over time repeated driving in one spot , wouldn't it push the rocks over and make a low spot and eventually crack the concrete. Just a thought
After having to get a lawyer to get my pole barn finished i came to the conclusion that if you want a pole barn, find a place with one already there. It was a year long nightmare. And the concrete guy was the absolute worst jerk ever cutting corners and leaving me with a cracked wavy slab. Beautiful work by you though!
what is the benefit of keeping the concrete flooded after finishing?
Looks great you guys do good work
in norway we only juse stone like he puttet there in becose of the dreenage and we also need to just styrophone under becose of the frost
Nice work brother.👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks bud.
I sure wish you worked in Central Oregon.
probably could have run the trucks in on wide planks .. looked like it was only trucks making a straight shot in, so no turning was actually required .. packing under 6 inches was likely irrelevant.
I'm in Oswego County. What ag did you put in to replace the round stone and where did you get it from?
Top notch content brotha!
What I got out of all of this big biscuit awesome name thank you for your videos
Thanks Jim. 😀
Nice. Enjoying the videos.
Thank you 😀
You have to remember people don’t know what kind of base rock goes under concrete. I have seen them pore concrete on the bare ground with wire mesh. When I saw that job I told them I wouldn’t cutting the control cracks because in two years it will be all broken up. It didn’t last a year before it was coming up in chunks. They tried putting a car lift in and it wouldn’t even anchor to the concrete. They had to cut squares out and remove the concrete then dig two foot pillars to anchor the car lift . Six months later they took out the rest of the concrete and did it right plus they poured it six inches deep with wire mesh and rebar everywhere. This time there was crushed rock that tamped as hard as concrete plus a heavy vapor barrier. Ignorance is from not knowing but stupidity is for life.
Wow that is so crazy to pour on the ground. That cost them a bunch of money. stupidity is for life. lol
At end of video you mentioned hes going to leave floor wet flooded ? Does this help with concrete curing ?
Yes it does ED.
Good thing that mesh is laying on the ground.
13:38 you can clearly see Roy in the bright yellow shirt pulling wire up with a potato rake.
I would of placed half a pallet of sand mixed with half a half a bag of crete to 1 bag of sand someand then spread the sand crete mix into the rock water it and let it set up a couple days 😊
Is that like an 8” pad or is the video deceptively deep looking
5-1/2 " pad.
What is the sealer that you used ?
Water based cure and seal.
ive seen people use pea gravel before : ( its like little ball bearings.
Thats exactly what it was like.
An easier way to say what was wrong with that stone was that it was 'round, river washed stone', which as Ron indicated it don't pack at all. The reason why it don't pack is cause it's round and smooth. You need to use a 'chipped' stone, which packs solid cause it has 'sharp, rough edges' on it.
edit: When I got to the 23.40 mark it reminded me of when I was young and taking a piss. Now that I'm old I don't have near that pressure. ROFLMFAO... Oh shit... I'm laughing so damn hard I got tears in my eyes.
You like that power sprayer. LOL Ya that stone was to ground and no fine in it.
There’s an old joke that sums this up. When I was young, and had to piss, I would put it under the wagon wheel spoke to keep from pissing in my eye. Now that I am old I have to lay it across that spoke to keep from pissing on my boots! It’s an old farmer joke! 👍
@@Musclecar1972 LMAO thats a good one. 🤣😂
Out here in the Pacific Northwest we call that round rock river run 1 inch. The next size up 1 to 1 1/2 inch they call sewer rock used for packing around the leach lines. We use crushed shale everywhere that you need a good solid base. It's only money; you cannot take it with you when you die, so spend it on the right, best stuff to use.
Around my parts you order "crush and run", the same stuff you use in roads. It is crushed rock with sand biggest piece about an inch and then all sizes smaller. Packs down nice in gravel driveways.
We done a garage for a person like that because he asked us to and it was sturdy later
great job you call it wright
Thanks buddy 😀
I feel for the poor guy having to wheel that big rock out through that gravel floor🤦♂️
Worse than the truck making a divot is the loose stone doesn't support the floor & might fail with a concentrated load.
I can see why the wire mesh police say what they do. That wire mesh was left flat on the ground! I can't believe you guys weren't pulling it up.
16:54 you can clearly see Roy pulling mesh with a potato rake. That was his only job. You guys kill me. LMAO🤣
Big biscuit needs a shirt. Lol
He over heats easy.
@@bondobuilt386 lol
Good job men
Thanks Tommy
How far East do you come to work?
I mostly stay in Oswego county New York. So much work for me close to home.
how do you get 4,000 pound concrete and 6,000 pound
Only thing I'd be looking for in NY. Is the quickest way out.
That's a very thick slab!
It’s not just that it doesn’t have any fines in it. It’s too smooth.!!!!
Needs to be angular stone with the fines !
I'd love a Bondo shirt 👕 The Governor
Im trying to figure out how to make them available to my TH-cam fans.
My dream shop
Looks like Baby Huey is about to lose his shorts.
Good job
if anybody ever comes up with a way to get and keep the mesh up, they'll be a millionaire. i poured my own slab once, and i was the dedicated mesh guy. i even used sheet mesh. when i tore a piece out years later for a pier, it was only up 1/2" from the bottom. still a tough piece of slab.
Worked for a company that slipped formed grain elevators. First thing the foreman said was leave the wire mesh in the bottom 1/3 of the concrete. He said take a piece of cheese, hold it flat and break it like if you were driving over it. It will always crack at the bottom first.
@@scottrayhons2537 Correct. The bottom of the slab is where the tension is when driving on it. They no longer use any mesh or reinforcement on the freeway construction - only dowel bars at the saw cut joints. Even the median barrier is reinforcement free. It did more damage when it rusted by popping the concrete.
How Can You Pour A Slab That Size Without Any Grade Stakes?
We use a laser level to set the height of the slab.
OK I Seen The Guy Running what looked like a vibrator of sorts and thought there would be high and low spots without using some kind of shaker box on the grade stakes. Thanks And Happy New Year@@bondobuilt386
You guys do nice credible responsible work I'm just too far for you guys.
Sorry Joe. 😬
Who foamed the walls?
Kyle and son spray foam
Nice winter for concrete work!! I was scrambling in late November thinking I was running out of time but I had 3 more months this year!! I always use reprocessed concrete under my concrete, it packs like iron. That "stone guy" didn't do his homework, round stone does not pack, not good for a base at all...
No it was a horrible base to try and drive on.
Mornin Ron,
Hi Mario. 😀
I wish I had the no F's given confidence of the big shirtless man.
Any concrete other then Vitale is good concrete
Lol 😂
Grate job
Could’ve laid some plywood down and used a power buggy
Could have pumped it also but we bid the job as a drive in and pour.
Great guys🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺👍
Thanks for the beers Jerry. 😀
Wow 48 yrds for 2400 sqft. The slab must be 6" plus thick.
Good job,a job that big u would think owner could afford a pump.
Here comes the mud 👍👍👍,what happened to the music 🎶
Probably trying to avoid some copyright troll placing a claim and demonetizing the video. Seems to be the current scourge of TH-cam these days. :)
I was telling my story on this video. thats why no music. ✌
Thank God the forms held up . That would have been a disaster if one side let go will all that concrete
What form are you referring to?
Sorry guy . I was on Mike Days channel. I don’t know how I ended up here. I’m going to watch your video anyway
@@myronsmith2114 Well got ahead and subscribe while you're here. LOL I am a sub of Mikes I watch his videos.
@@bondobuilt386 I got you
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I’m afraid that wire mesh is still laying on the bottom.
Wire mesh police never do concrete .
@@hellahandy6524 LOL for sure. We are clearly pulling it up with our hooks. Thanks
The client knew what was under the stone, you would have hit same stuff on posts
Not sure? Maybe??
You are going to see bigger problems later on with that spray Foam insulation.
tell that one guy he should be wearing a shirt !
Allot of plywood would have worked, but it was good to get the drains in. Contractor used wash stone because its cheap.
Ya cheap but a pain in the butt.
SAFETY- A little too happy and careless at the end of the actual pouring. Flip flops and one man almost gets his foot wedged between the chute and the slab!