I wanted to go over how cringe has become ingrained in our language. What exactly does it mean for something to be cringe and is there a clear-cut definition? With artists like TX2 and bands like Falling In Reverse (specifically Ronnie Radke getting that label) vs. projects like Electric Callboy in the air, let's try to draw some comparisons and talk about how self-awareness can go a long way. But what're your opinions on this topic?! Be sure to let me know down below!!!!!!! Agree or disagree, there is no wrong answer!!!!!!! :] but for now, cheers, rock on, stay heavy and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on when you see this!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
To me something is cringe when I see or hear it and it makes me uncomfortable, but I'll never call someone who put his soul and his feelings into his music cringe. What makes music cringe most of the time is when you do it for the wrong reasons like for fame and money or to get laid. Just listened to TX2 and it's way too commercial for me to enjoy it tbh. It feels like he's exploiting the alt aesthetic to get money and it's destroying the credibility of real emo bands
Seems to me, “cringe” is just code for “I don’t like this”, not even that the music is objectively BAD or that the artist is bad or not self aware of their art. It’s a catch-all phrase used every time someone just doesn’t like something. They get a weird feeling about it, they don’t like something about it, it’s “cringe”. But the problem is, it’s used so loosely but still is meant to carry weight in our culture, so a lot of artists are permanently put up on crosses because people might not understand or like a piece of music; well now everyone who hears their judgement loses out on experiencing the art for themselves, and that’s saddening to me 😢
Think that's such a great way of putting it. Degrading and putting something down can oftentimes simply boil down to not getting it. And I agree wholeheartedly with using it too loosely. We've sapped it of anything it initially meant.
@@TheMetalTempestYT and if this were kids being like “I don’t know what this is, it’s weird”, I’d get that. But grown adults do that all the time, and some even have careers essentially gaining a community based on their “opinionated” aka ignorant takes and they don’t need to broaden their horizons cause their audience doesn’t care either! I’m sorry to ramble, I’m just super salty about people like that.
I disagree, cringe is a particular feeling of repulsion. I declare myself to be a conosseur of bad music, but some things give such an overwhelming feeling of second-hand embarrassment that it feels stomach-churning. I can listen to Tom MacDonald's Whiteboy and laugh at how terrible it is, but stuff like FIR's Game Over is the musical equivalent of getting kicked in the balls.
@@helloface001 but isn’t that an issue with the lyrics and how tone deaf the artists are? Those are still quantifiable elements of both those songs, not just feelings that are brought up.
Complete nonsense. There are literally hundreds of bands that I don't like, but that I don't consider cringe. I can't stand Dream Theater, for example. But I wouldn't call them cringe.
Chiming in as a Coldplay fan, they are shamelessly "cringe" in every way, and that's just who they are. That's part of why I love them so much is that they are corny people who write corny music, so it's genuine and heartfelt cringe. I feel like this video explains a lot of how I feel about music and cringe culture, and that's it's okay to embrace the cringe parts of yourself. I also agree that artists who lack self-awareness are the ones who tend to be genuinely embarrassing, as opposed to artists who are just shamelessly corny.
as a 52 year old old f@ck .., cringe to us in the early 90's meant it had sleezy sexual connotations .., like that 35 year old hanging out by the catholic school girl area .., CRINGE
Letting the art speak for itself vs trying to police the work post-release (like post author-death) might affect how cringeworthy a work/body of work might be perceived
I have refrained from using the word cringe. Because I personally don't like using it. I have come to accept that there is art that I wont enjoy and that doesn't mean its "cringe". Perhaps its also that I sometimes like to write stories. And so I look from a different perspective, namely from the eyes of an artist. Not that I am one, but that I can understand them.
@@TheMetalTempestYT It brings up an interest in debate about critical responsibility Do you make more money BUT critics hate you or do you make less money Full Example black eyes peas
@@RazorSaysRawr His music is inoffensive and fine and some of it is even catchy actually and the people who fuck with him, I respect. But it's how he puts himself out there and acts like he's the face of rock and roll and so edgy when it's like...bro, no LMAO
@@TheMetalTempestYT I took that as a marketing trick to make people click his videos. I dont see him as trying to be "edgy." His videos are half skits half actual issues he's gone through. Like an attempt at a humor filled coping mechanism
The music that makes me cringe a little was Mindless Self Indulgence. Been overplaying Never Wanted to Dance, most of the songs were good but some MSI songs were cringe and made me back away
Musical cringe is corniness without self-awareness. Like power metal is corny but most bands are aware of that and play into it. Ronnie Radke is cringe because he plays the tough guy WAY too seriously when he's anything but lol
Brojob was an interesting one because for a while they were taking themselves kinda seriously, and it affected the vibe of the music, but this new album has the good old brojob fun we all wanted from em
For me, it's when it's more about how the band looks vs the music. See Black viel brides, hollywood undead, and I'm gonna get so much pushback on this, but Ghost.
cringe lost its meaning. cringe used to be something very close to second-hand embarassment and ill stick to that what i found cringe is taking yourself too serious and over the top, trying to sound poetic even, making yourself look so badass and brootal. those lyrics are often so repetitive and boring, yet the band acts like this is all fresh. also 0/1 0/1 downtempo breakdown chuggs. have mercy. on the other hand, trying too much in other direction like eskimo callboy makes me cringe as well. music is meant to experiment and have fun with but what they do feels so cheap and trashy. enter shikari and soad are perfect examples of how experimenting might come out great. edit: unpopular opinion thatll probably get me killed - slipknot is the cringiest band to date. their attitude and look used to be cool when i was 14, got wacky after i turned 17 and yet they were all adults even back then
Oh absolutely like tongue-in-cheek shit is fun but some bands even Slipknot (whom I love) could be called that in many ways. I agree with practically everything you said here and have talked about/plan on talking about that stuff individually. You hit the nail on the head.
Complete change of genre to make this point, cos I'm next to *never* an R&B fan: Seal's first album, the self-titled one that singled in '90 with Crazy, was Visionary. Everything since has been Cringe. Batman deserved better.
Yeah you’re spot on. Cringe is to 2010’s and 2020’s what Gay meant in the 90’s and 00’s. I find some comedy bands cringe as well. Weezer are very cringe to me, a nerdy band that are obnoxiously nerdy. Green Day I find very cringe for their lack of self awareness, I don’t like their music at all, but they think they are DIY yet far far from it, and they lack the self awareness to realise that. MGK has become the king of cringe in the 2020’s, just lacks so much self awareness and he’s always pretending to be something he’s not. Oli Sykes of BMTH I find very cringe as well
I've seen BMTH 3 times now (due to them somehow getting amazing support acts), I've left halfway through their set every time because it just feels so cringe.
@@dm9708br damn I wish I could go to bmth show even once. for me this band was so important when I was a kid that it can't really be cringe bc I already love it. and ofc things like "My therapist will need therapy" type shit are funny but they make good music. and the difference between Oli and Ronnieis that one is a dude who managed to become a good person after doing some stupid shit and the other is just an asshole..
Even if cringe is being used as "i don't like it", i feel like most of the times it just means "this is ridiculous to me" which makes sense sometimes. To use an easy example, that game over song by falling in reverse, it sounds like something a 10 yo kid youtuber would upload in 2013. You would assume that the song is completely hilarious if it wasn't for everything else revolving Ronald, like, you can't make that song and sue Anthony Fantano for defamation, do y'all get what i mean?
I was a K-pop fan before metal. In elementary school, I listened to it because I wanted to connect with my friends who listened to that kind of music. Then one day I saw a funny clip (or not) of a guy singing Lamp of God in public and I thought it was weird and funny so I watched the music video and boom, I love this kind of music. I kept searching until I went back in time to listen to old school death metal and I'm currently listening to Carcass and Napalm Death albums. Everyone says Six Feet Under is cringe at the EEEEEE part but the song I listened to before (K-pop) is the cringiest out of all of them. Kpop is no different from modern rock bands like MGK, it has a sarcastic feel and tries to look cool or sexy, but when you come to your senses you realize it's not true and it's cringe. It's better to see an old uncle with a big belly drinking beer on stage and being real.
That whole situation on both sides was pretty cringe. The way people took to the Melon's YT comment section only giving him more views to tell him what Ronnie already made very public like Ronnie was their dad about to kick some ass was even more cringe especially since Anthony doesn't seem to even care. @@TheMetalTempestYT
KSI's new song is not good by any means but I've definitely heard worse stuff over the years from established artists. Cant always win, I feel like you kind of have to land a good song as a youtuber or you get relentlessly clowned otherwise
significant other by limp bizkit it's cringe but fun and at least the album and fred durst are more self aware about themselves than Ronnie karen radke mgk's tickets to my downfall is also cringe but fun and self aware about themselves than Ronnie karen radke
Patronizing politics in the lyrics is quite annoying Other than that a recent one for me was during a breakdown kind of section in a tech death album, the singer started singing "Enough..... Enough is enough" and for some reason just the way it was said sounded so silly to me that I had a hard time taking the album seriously after that
Of course one cannot talk about cringe in music without at least mentioning Ronald the clown Radke. Which adolescent is he beefing with on TikTok now? 😂
I completely agree that cringe is related with lack of self awareness. Irl I'm tend to vibe much more with ppl who do stupid shit but are self aware than with ppl who maybe won't bark at u in public but lack the awareness.
Music is very very subjective. Music, Food, Fashion and Politics are I would say the 4 most subjective things. And Music and Fashion kinda go together don’t they. So personally to me I find a band or genre cringe that dresses weird, like Goth, Emo, Punk and Glam. Those genres tend to have weird dress senses among bands and their fans. I can’t tell you how much I hated the whole Emo, MySpace, Twilight Era. But everything is subjective, so. We are drawn to bands and genres that are most like us personally, and to me Nu-Metal was me, it took me awhile to find that out but Nu-Metal was everything i am.
To me, the whole scene is cringe. 8-string guitars tuned to drop-Q, everybody chugging the exact same notes, some guy up front with the mic halfway down his throat. Every song sounds like a car driving on a rumble strip with a flat tire. It's all fake. None of them can play or write music. They just find a cool riff and run with it. There's no layers, there's no movement to the songs. Just a bunch of people trying to be "heavy" without understanding what heavy actually is.
I wanted to go over how cringe has become ingrained in our language. What exactly does it mean for something to be cringe and is there a clear-cut definition? With artists like TX2 and bands like Falling In Reverse (specifically Ronnie Radke getting that label) vs. projects like Electric Callboy in the air, let's try to draw some comparisons and talk about how self-awareness can go a long way. But what're your opinions on this topic?! Be sure to let me know down below!!!!!!! Agree or disagree, there is no wrong answer!!!!!!! :] but for now, cheers, rock on, stay heavy and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on when you see this!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
To me something is cringe when I see or hear it and it makes me uncomfortable, but I'll never call someone who put his soul and his feelings into his music cringe.
What makes music cringe most of the time is when you do it for the wrong reasons like for fame and money or to get laid.
Just listened to TX2 and it's way too commercial for me to enjoy it tbh. It feels like he's exploiting the alt aesthetic to get money and it's destroying the credibility of real emo bands
Falling in reverse intensifies*
don’t forgot STP
Seems to me, “cringe” is just code for “I don’t like this”, not even that the music is objectively BAD or that the artist is bad or not self aware of their art. It’s a catch-all phrase used every time someone just doesn’t like something. They get a weird feeling about it, they don’t like something about it, it’s “cringe”. But the problem is, it’s used so loosely but still is meant to carry weight in our culture, so a lot of artists are permanently put up on crosses because people might not understand or like a piece of music; well now everyone who hears their judgement loses out on experiencing the art for themselves, and that’s saddening to me 😢
Think that's such a great way of putting it. Degrading and putting something down can oftentimes simply boil down to not getting it. And I agree wholeheartedly with using it too loosely. We've sapped it of anything it initially meant.
@@TheMetalTempestYT and if this were kids being like “I don’t know what this is, it’s weird”, I’d get that. But grown adults do that all the time, and some even have careers essentially gaining a community based on their “opinionated” aka ignorant takes and they don’t need to broaden their horizons cause their audience doesn’t care either! I’m sorry to ramble, I’m just super salty about people like that.
I disagree, cringe is a particular feeling of repulsion. I declare myself to be a conosseur of bad music, but some things give such an overwhelming feeling of second-hand embarrassment that it feels stomach-churning. I can listen to Tom MacDonald's Whiteboy and laugh at how terrible it is, but stuff like FIR's Game Over is the musical equivalent of getting kicked in the balls.
@@helloface001 but isn’t that an issue with the lyrics and how tone deaf the artists are? Those are still quantifiable elements of both those songs, not just feelings that are brought up.
Complete nonsense. There are literally hundreds of bands that I don't like, but that I don't consider cringe. I can't stand Dream Theater, for example. But I wouldn't call them cringe.
Chiming in as a Coldplay fan, they are shamelessly "cringe" in every way, and that's just who they are. That's part of why I love them so much is that they are corny people who write corny music, so it's genuine and heartfelt cringe.
I feel like this video explains a lot of how I feel about music and cringe culture, and that's it's okay to embrace the cringe parts of yourself. I also agree that artists who lack self-awareness are the ones who tend to be genuinely embarrassing, as opposed to artists who are just shamelessly corny.
yes. I totally agree. I feel many ppl would just call cringe anything that's actually genuine and not hidden under thousand layers of irony.
as a 52 year old old f@ck .., cringe to us in the early 90's meant it had sleezy sexual connotations .., like that 35 year old hanging out by the catholic school girl area .., CRINGE
Letting the art speak for itself vs trying to police the work post-release (like post author-death) might affect how cringeworthy a work/body of work might be perceived
I have refrained from using the word cringe. Because I personally don't like using it. I have come to accept that there is art that I wont enjoy and that doesn't mean its "cringe". Perhaps its also that I sometimes like to write stories. And so I look from a different perspective, namely from the eyes of an artist. Not that I am one, but that I can understand them.
Yeah, exactly! You can not enjoy something or even "understand it" in airquotes and it still be valid.
If you want to make money , it's not bad being called cringe
The cringe makes the money
For sure! Bad publicity is still publicity nowadays.
@@TheMetalTempestYT It brings up an interest in debate about critical responsibility
Do you make more money BUT critics hate you or do you make less money
Full Example black eyes peas
What's something I find cringe? Trying to be something or someone you're not, like you brought up with TX2.
I have to restrain myself constantly from a like one hour deep-dive on that dude and the hate his fans have sent me lmao tbh
@@TheMetalTempestYT Yikes, I used to listen to him earlier this year, but holy shit I fell off hard. It's amazing how thin skinned people are.
@@RazorSaysRawr His music is inoffensive and fine and some of it is even catchy actually and the people who fuck with him, I respect. But it's how he puts himself out there and acts like he's the face of rock and roll and so edgy when it's like...bro, no LMAO
@@TheMetalTempestYT I took that as a marketing trick to make people click his videos. I dont see him as trying to be "edgy." His videos are half skits half actual issues he's gone through. Like an attempt at a humor filled coping mechanism
Cringe is what cynical people call sincerity.
thats sadly true. but that's the type of cringe that makes a person free xd
The music that makes me cringe a little was Mindless Self Indulgence. Been overplaying Never Wanted to Dance, most of the songs were good but some MSI songs were cringe and made me back away
Oh, God--I think everyone MSI fan knows it's cringe LOL, you're good
Cringe is when to you someone fails at what you feel like they're trying to pull off. This is the actual definition unique to cringe.
Musical cringe is corniness without self-awareness. Like power metal is corny but most bands are aware of that and play into it. Ronnie Radke is cringe because he plays the tough guy WAY too seriously when he's anything but lol
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thank you
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Brojob was an interesting one because for a while they were taking themselves kinda seriously, and it affected the vibe of the music, but this new album has the good old brojob fun we all wanted from em
For me, it's when it's more about how the band looks vs the music.
See Black viel brides, hollywood undead, and I'm gonna get so much pushback on this, but Ghost.
I treat ghost more like a theatrical act than a band. Like some movie type stuff than "really dark and scary" music"
cringe lost its meaning. cringe used to be something very close to second-hand embarassment and ill stick to that
what i found cringe is taking yourself too serious and over the top, trying to sound poetic even, making yourself look so badass and brootal. those lyrics are often so repetitive and boring, yet the band acts like this is all fresh. also 0/1 0/1 downtempo breakdown chuggs. have mercy.
on the other hand, trying too much in other direction like eskimo callboy makes me cringe as well. music is meant to experiment and have fun with but what they do feels so cheap and trashy. enter shikari and soad are perfect examples of how experimenting might come out great.
edit: unpopular opinion thatll probably get me killed - slipknot is the cringiest band to date. their attitude and look used to be cool when i was 14, got wacky after i turned 17 and yet they were all adults even back then
Oh absolutely like tongue-in-cheek shit is fun but some bands even Slipknot (whom I love) could be called that in many ways. I agree with practically everything you said here and have talked about/plan on talking about that stuff individually. You hit the nail on the head.
@@TheMetalTempestYT looking forward to it. that being said, im subscribing
The words "I'm a bad guy, i'm a savage" have ruined my life
Complete change of genre to make this point, cos I'm next to *never* an R&B fan: Seal's first album, the self-titled one that singled in '90 with Crazy, was Visionary. Everything since has been Cringe. Batman deserved better.
Yeah you’re spot on.
Cringe is to 2010’s and 2020’s what Gay meant in the 90’s and 00’s.
I find some comedy bands cringe as well.
Weezer are very cringe to me, a nerdy band that are obnoxiously nerdy.
Green Day I find very cringe for their lack of self awareness, I don’t like their music at all, but they think they are DIY yet far far from it, and they lack the self awareness to realise that.
MGK has become the king of cringe in the 2020’s, just lacks so much self awareness and he’s always pretending to be something he’s not.
Oli Sykes of BMTH I find very cringe as well
I've seen BMTH 3 times now (due to them somehow getting amazing support acts), I've left halfway through their set every time because it just feels so cringe.
@@dm9708br damn I wish I could go to bmth show even once. for me this band was so important when I was a kid that it can't really be cringe bc I already love it. and ofc things like "My therapist will need therapy" type shit are funny but they make good music. and the difference between Oli and Ronnieis that one is a dude who managed to become a good person after doing some stupid shit and the other is just an asshole..
My favorite band of all time is Cradle of Filth, someone told me that they are cringe. I don't see it.
That's what I was told too! And I love COF! They seem pretty cool to me! And I got called a "poseur" for liking them!
@darlalathan6143 liking something simply because you like it is the opposite of a poser.
Stanis: “Cringeworthy”.
Even if cringe is being used as "i don't like it", i feel like most of the times it just means "this is ridiculous to me" which makes sense sometimes.
To use an easy example, that game over song by falling in reverse, it sounds like something a 10 yo kid youtuber would upload in 2013.
You would assume that the song is completely hilarious if it wasn't for everything else revolving Ronald, like, you can't make that song and sue Anthony Fantano for defamation, do y'all get what i mean?
I was a K-pop fan before metal. In elementary school, I listened to it because I wanted to connect with my friends who listened to that kind of music. Then one day I saw a funny clip (or not) of a guy singing Lamp of God in public and I thought it was weird and funny so I watched the music video and boom, I love this kind of music. I kept searching until I went back in time to listen to old school death metal and I'm currently listening to Carcass and Napalm Death albums. Everyone says Six Feet Under is cringe at the EEEEEE part but the song I listened to before (K-pop) is the cringiest out of all of them. Kpop is no different from modern rock bands like MGK, it has a sarcastic feel and tries to look cool or sexy, but when you come to your senses you realize it's not true and it's cringe. It's better to see an old uncle with a big belly drinking beer on stage and being real.
Ronnie Radke sure has Anthony Fantano shaking in his boots.... 😅😂💀
Oh, I'm sure LOL
That whole situation on both sides was pretty cringe.
The way people took to the Melon's YT comment section only giving him more views to tell him what Ronnie already made very public like Ronnie was their dad about to kick some ass was even more cringe especially since Anthony doesn't seem to even care. @@TheMetalTempestYT
KSI's new song is not good by any means but I've definitely heard worse stuff over the years from established artists. Cant always win, I feel like you kind of have to land a good song as a youtuber or you get relentlessly clowned otherwise
significant other by limp bizkit it's cringe but fun and at least the album and fred durst are more self aware about themselves than Ronnie karen radke mgk's tickets to my downfall is also cringe but fun and self aware about themselves than Ronnie karen radke
Everything by Limp Bizkit is cringe
Sometimes, the highest (lowest) metric of cringe is Bob Seger. As in "Man, they're trying so hard they've turned into Bob Seger."
Patronizing politics in the lyrics is quite annoying
Other than that a recent one for me was during a breakdown kind of section in a tech death album, the singer started singing "Enough..... Enough is enough" and for some reason just the way it was said sounded so silly to me that I had a hard time taking the album seriously after that
Of course one cannot talk about cringe in music without at least mentioning Ronald the clown Radke. Which adolescent is he beefing with on TikTok now? 😂
I completely agree that cringe is related with lack of self awareness. Irl I'm tend to vibe much more with ppl who do stupid shit but are self aware than with ppl who maybe won't bark at u in public but lack the awareness.
Simple answer. Tik Tok
Music is very very subjective.
Music, Food, Fashion and Politics are I would say the 4 most subjective things.
And Music and Fashion kinda go together don’t they.
So personally to me I find a band or genre cringe that dresses weird, like Goth, Emo, Punk and Glam.
Those genres tend to have weird dress senses among bands and their fans.
I can’t tell you how much I hated the whole Emo, MySpace, Twilight Era.
But everything is subjective, so.
We are drawn to bands and genres that are most like us personally, and to me Nu-Metal was me, it took me awhile to find that out but Nu-Metal was everything i am.
To me, the whole scene is cringe. 8-string guitars tuned to drop-Q, everybody chugging the exact same notes, some guy up front with the mic halfway down his throat. Every song sounds like a car driving on a rumble strip with a flat tire. It's all fake. None of them can play or write music. They just find a cool riff and run with it. There's no layers, there's no movement to the songs. Just a bunch of people trying to be "heavy" without understanding what heavy actually is.