Ranking the Star Trek: TNG Series Finales
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Honestly, All Good Things is one of the best tv series finales of all time. They hit the mark perfectly.
Definitely in my Top 5
the end of SG1 is one of my personal faves too
Absolutely.
Up there with Sleeping In Light.
even with a very uneven season 7 they stuck the landing.
I hated that DATA destroyed his self in the movie, but I am so happy that he was bought back in Picard.
Eh, I'm sure they'll hit their stride by the time the fourth finale comes around.
there is talk of a fourth season, so that just might happen!
Futurama’s fourth series finale is easily its best, so really every show should get four, it just makes sense
Holding out for the sixth finale which has 142 year old Wesley Crusher spread the ashes of the entire rest of the ship's crew on the planet where Tasha Yar was killed, muttering "Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet" to himself.
Nnnoooooo!
In retrospect, I wish they’d have ended with All Good Things. However, I agree with you, Steve.
"It devolves into an extended exuberant session of fanwank, jizzing nostalgia all over the screen, but at least it's got spunk." Greatest sentence of the year, chef's kiss, flawless
"All Good Things" was a very Trek version of A Christmas Carol, and Sir Patrick is soo good at that story.
Star Trek is at its best when it is literary
I'd actually argue the end of Generations was another 'finale' with us saying goodbye to the Enterprise-D . . . until Picard S3 retconned it. That ship dying was far more impactful to me than Kirk buying the farm. Sorry, Shatner.
The Enterprise-D crashing is the main part of the movie that always sticks with me. (Especially Data's "oh shiiiiit!") I'd actually forgotten that Kirk eats it until you said something, lol.
Did Picard S3, retcon the fate of the D ? It continued / extended it's story using decades of established in universe rules about how starfleet operates. I'd always wondered if after the crew were evacuated from Veridian III if the Farragut shelled the Saucer Section from orbit.. if they had buried it some how.. How would it be dealt with, given that there was another planet in that system with a Quarter Billion people on it and within 20 to 300 years could detect the Enterprises's remains on the surface ?
It was logical, that something was done to the Saucer Section.
I'd even say it was logical that they retrieved it instead of shelling it, because simply blowing it to bits.. wouldn't be a complete clean up. Sure it'd take longer for the people on Veridian IV to detect / find the remains, but they would eventually and then they would know that there is life out there. Their natural progression would be altered by that knowledge and it would change the course of their civilization.
I don't see resuming the story of the fate of the Enterprise-D as a retcon.. it's a continuation. a reunion with an old friend.
Where they DID retcon shit.. lol.. would be Crusher and Picard's on-again / off-again Horizontal mambo sessions that were never mentioned in Trek 7, 8, 9.. nor 10.. though at least in 10 Beverly seems kinda extra close'ish to picard in one scene in his ready room.
That was a retcon.. but not a horrible one, because we sorta saw how it likely got started in the all good things alternate timeline.
Bigger Retcon.. Geordie.
Geordie to DataLore. "You made me a better man, better father, a better friend"..
They retconned in a whole family for him which he apparently had during Nemesis. No wedding ring. Didn't even bring the wife to the Riker's wedding ceremony. (what's up with that ?).
They didn't retcon the Enterprise-D's fate.
The drive section still exploded.. the Saucer still needlessly crashed in one of the dumbest moments of the franchise..
(Why didn't Picard, in the Nexus.. just go back to earth a week or two prior to the events of the movie.. save his brother and nephew from being BURNED TO DEATH, and then hail Riker to arrest Soran as soon as they rescue him from the science station ? - Why didn't any of his crew do this ? they were all on that planet.. they all went into the Nexus.. Troi knew about Picard's family.. is she too good to go and talk with Rene about playing with matches ? hmm ? hmmmmm ? and speaking of the crew being in the Nexus, his crew.. WERE IN the nexus.. why didn't Guinan mention that to Picard ? Why send him off to seek the help of a 145 year old fuddy duddy who just wants to chop wood and eat toast, when he could have brought.. 200 security guards with him ? I mean, if he's not gonna save his extra crispy family so he could go and have a second round with Soran himself.. at least make sure the sacrifice wouldn't be in vain, right ? I swear.. nexus guinan, is evil guinan.) ..We simply continued her story with a tiny bit of logical exposition which was based on in universe law.
Yes! Generations feels like a finale. Guinan's back story, Picard's dealing with loss of family despite maintaining distance to prevent just that, the Duras Sisters, Data's emotion chip, and the destruction of the Enterprise-D bring a sense of closure that All Good Things doesn't. Everything after Generations is a whole new thing.
In my opinion a good finale feels like a new beginning not an ending. This is why I think it worked. You see the crew moving forward relating to one another in a new way.
Wish the writers of GOT knew this! Yours was an insightful comment❤
"Art is subjective and opinions vary, but arguments on the internet are forever." I'm gonna add that to my quotebook. :D I 100% agree with your rankings and reasons, btw.
Came for the rankings, stayed for the wordplay. This could well be your seminal work!
“At least it had spunk” had me rolling.
When you said "space techno babble beam" I instinctively said out loud, "It's an inverse tachyon pulse."
I am such a dork.
I've been thinking; out of ALL of Trek, we've only had two series finalés that weren't an absolute turd salsa of flaming garbage; All Good Things is easily the best and most complete, even if What You Leave Behind is much more emotional and has more of an impact on the setting.
I was never a huge fan of the fantasy elements from that finale. It kinda seemed out of place with the sci-fi. Even though they had established that the wormhole aliens conflict had fantasy elements earlier in the series. Usually they had kinda of a two tiered explanation where magical elements like prophecies had a sci fi counter because of the non linear nature of the wormhole aliens. But once they brought in the magic book and made the book the key to defeating the wraiths with no explanation other than macic, it just didn't mesh IMO. BUT the series was tying so many other things in that finale... the vast majority of which worked so well, that even if you did not like something here and there it is still such a great ending.
@@erf3176 I get what you're saying..but DS9 always made room for mysticism/fantasy and/or spiritualism in their plots, moreso than any other trek to date i think. That's how i view it anyhow
I mean I think Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country is a pretty good finale to TOS. So 3 if we count movies (as this video does).
The spiritual aspect of DS9 was easily the weakest part, but still handled very well, overall.
I keep trying to decide if DS9 would have been a better show without it... but for the wonderful character moments and glorious acting from Avery, I think the series was better off with it.
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Undiscovered Country is one of the absolute best films in the franchise, but I don't count it as a series finalé... because it wasn't. It was the final send-off to (most of) the crew, but TOS (the series) was three seasons, and Turnabout Intruder was, literally, the final episode of the series.
Picard is also a distinct series from TNG, even if it did eventually turn into the send-off to the crew.
Star Trek: Nemesis missed a golden opportunity to have Andreas Katsulas (who was alive with Babylon 5 wrapped up and, indeed, appeared on Star Trek: Enterprise) reprise his role of Tomalak one last time to rescue the Enterprise-E from Shinzon. It would have been a wonderful twist and a good way to wrap up the character. (Alas...Star Trek: Nemesis had to be Star Trek: Nemesis.)
I want to live in the timeline with this version of the film. I don't care what else has to change.
The biggest mistake with Nemesis as far as I can tell, is it wasn’t ever really meant to be a send off… pretty sure they were trying to do the Spock death resurrection arc but with Data over the course like 1-2 more movies after Nemesis (with Riker and the Titan serving a similar role to Sulu and the Excelsior, probably would’ve made directing easier for Jonny Boy)… but re-wrote it to be the end, cause in 2002 there was no demand for old man action movies… yet 😂
Kinda fuzzy on the specifics, but I’m fairly certain the director they chose for Nemesis was chosen to acquiesce to the studio to “reinvigorate” the franchise and to convince them to make more. The studio won that argument.
I think Brent Spiner wanted to be done with the role because Data wasn't supposed to age but he visibly was aging.
One of the things that made me want to scream with the 'all good things' episode is that if the anomaly was growing backwards, when the future enterprise got there, they should have seen a small anomaly and then when they fired the technobabble beam, it would have disappeared.
Nemesis was directed by someone who doesn’t know Star Trek. I love when Frakes directs episodes, he knows the subject matter and understand the fans. Terry did an outstanding job on Picard. I cried when the D flew out of space dock.
The "Star Trek: Nemesis" audio commentary includes one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, when Stuart Baird refers to three of the movie's lead actors as "Patrick, Brent and... Worf" (with a pause where he tries and fails to remember Michael Dorn's name). That is so disturbing on so many levels.
But as a counterargument, so was Wrath of Khan. You don't need a director who knows Star Trek, but you need one who is willing to get to know it
Season 3 of Picard receives the 2nd highest honor in this historically impactful contest! Seriously, the last ep of Picard was cynically nostalgic, but I loved it! 😔
Good on you, bud. Love the things you love.
I checked out of Picard as soon as the Bjorg were mentioned, but I'm beyond delighted that so many people enjoyed season three.
I'd always like to see people enjoying things, even if it's stuff I don't, rather than seeing people hate things that I also hate.
I actually loved the whole season, but I didn’t expect much but TNG fan service. Maybe if I’d been more invested in the whole Picard series, it might have upset me
It was sincerely nostalgic.
OK, I always love your videos @Steve Shives, but I nearly fell off my seat laughing with the phrase 'techno-babble beam' 🤣🤪
I always thought that "Generations" could have been a great final for TNG. Picard is reflecting on time, family and the choices he had made in life. The Enterprise-D is destroyed and its Crew potentially parting ways. Just add some subplots about shared loss [Picard/Crusher], friendship [Data/Geordie], love [Riker/Troi] and the search for one's own place in the universe [Worf] and you have everything that you need.
“All Good Things…” is where I, personally, believe TNG needed to end. It was a well orchestrated, emotionally powerful, character driven story that honored what it began as, what it grew into, and why the ideals it taught us to aspire to were so important by presenting us with a fractured future where the Enterprises family did not hold on to those values. This is punctuated, perfectly, and yes it makes me tear up when I watch it, by Picard sitting down at the Poker table and leaving us simply with, “I should have done this a long time ago.”
I just watched "All Good Things" last night and it really is a great episode. Had me wondering if Patrick Stewart had experience with folks with Alzheimer's/dementia as his portrayal of that kind of degenerative disorder was upsettingly accurate to my experiences with family members who'd developed such disorders.
"...but, at least it's got spunk." I see what you did there.
"Star Trek: Nemesis is the worst Trek movie."
Star Trek V: Am I a joke to you?
Star Trek V is bad by comparison to the good ones. Compared to most films, I'd say it's a 4/10. A failure for sure, but it had more good bits in it than Nemesis did.
"THAT is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence...I'm just messing with you. You're going to be squaring off with generic bad guy after generic bad guy with doomsday devices with cliched countdown clocks that want to destroy various civilizations." -- Q (if he had been honest)
Agree. And I think in part because P3 was intended as an ending. Nemeis was not. The recpetion it got made it an ending.
They advertised it as a “final journey”. They left the B4 hook if they needed it, but they were not expecting there to be more. If Nemesis had met expectations at the box office (which it didn’t) it would still have been the last film - it would have needed to explode and blow far past expectations and make First Contact money for them to make another.
That "natural endpoint" thing doesn't always work...take a look at How I Met Your Mother. They had the ending decided from the beginning, even filmed it with the kids Ted was telling the story to so they'd have it when the series ended. And the ending still sucked.
I agree on All Good Things but in my view PIC Season 3 (or let's call it TNG Season 8 ;-) was still great in many ways. There were so many things inside I liked very much:
- The fact that the main threat was a fallout of two very tough (although understandable) decisions, biological warfare against the Dominion and Janeway infecting the Borg Collective. Actually that was a good epilogue to DS9
- Geordi finally not restricted to the "nerd with bad luck in relationships" stereotype any more. I really loved to see him having become a caring father who was absolutely not interested in a new adventure that would put his girls on risk.
- Seeing Riker and Troi coping with their loss was heartbreaking but well played. Frakes was simply awesome here.
- Captain Shaw. In the first episode he looked like a stupid racist who hated all X-Bs and deadnamed Seven. Then it turned out that he was just a grumpy Barclay who originally never planned to be a commanding officer but was forced to that path after Starfleet's blood loss, while all the time no one cared for his PTSD and that below his rough shell he was a decent guy.
- Seven finally finding the right place after Season 1 and 2. The moment when they saw at the museum and she told Jack what that ship meant to her was marvelous. And Tuvok promoting here at the end put a huge smile on my face.
- (Partial) repeal of the terrible final episode of "Enterprise". In Riker's holo fantasy the NX-01 had no secondary hull on its last voyage. In the museum it had. I see that as a hint that also the rest of what Riker saw was just fake history.
- Data defeating Lore. That was the Data I grew up with, always a step ahead, always with a plan and executing it precisely.
- The kids. Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut and Mica Burton as LaForge sisters were very likeable and the sibling chemistry was funny to watch, as well as the relation to their father. And Ed Speleers perfectly "uncringed" the corny "I am your father..." story we have seen so many times before. I hope to see all of them again in a new Star Trek show.
- And yes, the ending. It was a copy of the poker table scene. Of course it was but nevertheless I was very happy that they dared to let the show have an Asterix-style ending with the crew sitting and celebrating. After 20 years were popular culture was mainly "everything sucks, is dark and sad" and where always one or more of the main cast had to die so that the heroes could never enjoy their victory it's actually an act of rebellion not to do that here. And actually I was waiting for Picard to collapse or something like that until the final scene.
I think that was not bad for just one season 🙂
I agree with your ranking of the finales and Here's my thoughts of the Enterprise-D being in season 3 of Picard.
- By Reviving the Enterprise-D, it rectifies a massive mistake made by Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga when they decided to have her destroyed in Star Trek: Generations, The destruction of the Enterprise was not only badly written (like most of the film) but also completely unnecessary to the movie. It was only done to "Introduce a cooler looking ship" in the next film. In fact, I think examining Riker's performance during the Battle of Veridian III (If not the entire command crew's odd behavior and decisions in Star Trek: Generations) would make for an interesting Trek Actually video.
I think the destruction of the D was a mandate from Paramount, they wanted a new film Enterprise, even though on the big screen the D looks way better than the E ever did
@@chazzerous I think it's a stipulation of the CBS/Paramount split custody over Star Trek where TV Trek and movie Trek must be different. The original Enterprise got a refit for the TOS films. The D got crashed for TNG's films so that Paramount could have a different Enterprise in future films. Surprised that CBS allowed even that. Though, the E was pretty badass. Wish that it'd gotten more time.
@@thegreatboto CBS had nothing to do with Trek back then, it was just all Paramount. Paramount TV division, and Paramount movie division.
Like, a ton of ships which were developed first for the 80s and 90s movies later showed-up exactly the same in the TV shows... almost all of the Trek production staff were the same in the films as for the shows.
Paramount's parent company bought CBS and the "divorce agreement" was part of Viacom's later divestiture after the financial crash. Which is irrelevant now anyway, because Paramount bought-back CBS a number of years ago... so it's now all just Paramount again.
Mark Anthony's speach parody was my number 1 TH-cam moment of 2023 thank you!
Futurama has had more series finales than probably anything else ever. Somehow they're almost perfect, and among the best in the series.
I can't wait to hear Steve's thoughts on the Picard Season 4.
That final "NO!" - nearly spat out my goddam coffee...
I’ll give it to you including your colorful metaphor of the “fan yank fest”!! That was freaking brilliant!!!!!😂😂
I think that Generations is also a finale of sorts for TNG the Enterprise is destroyed, the Duras sisters are finally defeated, and Kirk dies.
I loved Picard season 3. By far the best of the series. So enjoyable. Don't mind the fan service at all.
Same. But I agree that Nemesis was terrible.
I mean but it makes no sense. The whole plot of season three was abou how being borg was deeply lifelong traumatizing and oops now everyone under 26 has the same trauma. Seriously how does starfleet recover from this?
I'm glad you mentioned the scene remembering Data in Nemesis, because it's the only thing that tips the scales for me to put Nemesis in number two.
Steve, I wouldn't watch any of you ( and Jasons) videos till I finished Season 3, but you nailed all the .... stuff... I noticed. Thanks
i'll have to agree, especially since I haven't been able to convince myself to watch "Nemesis" since the first time I saw it 20 years ago. It actually hurt to watch.
Thank you Steve as always. I actually liked the third season of Picard, other two seasons not so much. And now I feel a need to catch up with Futurama.
Still better than the STE ending.
Pfft...STE didn't have an ending...the series ended one episode short then for some reason the network aired a random TNG episode a week later.
Low bar, faint praise, et cetera. :)
I haven't seen any of Picard, but considering that "All Good Things..." is one of the best TV finales of all time, and Nemesis is trash, I think there's an obvious #1.
Riker, of course.
That “No!” at the end absolutely floored me 😂
"All Good Things..." is my go-to for defining what a series ender should be. I literally think it's the best series ender outright. Not just of Star Trek, but of all television so far. Part of that is because how television narrative works these days is very different. TNG was prior to the era of narrative throughline dominance and had the luxury of being allowed a single individual story to tell. But it's still very excellent.
Agreed. At least Picard has energy. Nemesis has none. Picard as a whole doesn't hang together. It's a season of moments. And say what you want, everyone gets at least one good moment.
It doesn't matter to me that nothing really ends in All Good Things. I actually prefer "happily ever after" to "everything stops". In fact, my head-canon finale for Voyager is the episode Shattered, where Chakotay visits the past and future, and convinces Janeway that their lives were actually pretty good, and that the journey is more important than the destination. As opposed to Endgame, which essentially says "our adventures in the Delta Quadrant sucked and we should change history to erase them".
All Good Things is also a good ending point for TNG because the TNG movies were pretty bad.
The best TNG final episode? Hmmm. Bit like asking someone to rank their happiest days out of the birth of their child, the day they accidentally ran over their puppy, and when they were captured by ISIS. Tough choices, but I think I know Steve's ranking... ^^
All Good Things is head and shoulders beyond all other ST finales.
I completely agree with all you say. There could be more to say, but I think you sum it up well. "All Good Things" was one of the best series finales in the history of TV. My wife and I were looking forward to it for months. We all knew that "Generations" was in production when the episode aired, so we knew that this was not the end of the series, and we wouldn't have to wait ten years for the first movie, like we did with TOS.
"Nemesis" was ... well ... sort of a waste of film.
I thought that Picard was good overall, and while I felt the finale was kind of schmultsy, and almost saccharine sweet, it was overall pretty good.
"at least it's got spunk" - Oh man, brilliant double entendre 😛
To me the treatment of Troi in Nemesis will always place it at the bottom of every list. As much as I hate the mind virus that only attacks the young (eye roll), it didn't do that.
For the algorithm..... 'at least it's got spunk.' I needed that cap off. So fun! And true, Picard3's whole season is the Finale for the whole cast.
We forget, when in all good things the card game at the end, do I remember correctly Picard asks if there's a spare seat, and the response we always have a seat for you Jean-Luc?
I would argue that there is a 4th contender. But its a really shakey argument. Because Picard season 1 was intended to be a stand alone product. And in a lot of ways up until like the very last moment it seems like it was supposed to be the story of Picards death.
I normally agree with you but season 3 was just a fun experience and episode 4 is one of the best of startrek ever
Maybe it’s me being a 39 year old with a 13 year old and a navy vet
Season 3 hit home with me
It reminded me of watching TNG with my mom when I was a child
I loved it
"At least it's got spunk" almost made me spit my tea out.
As a comic book fan you should know that a cape or a delta badge never really dies. They should, by all the lord's of kobol they should but their be money in that nebula.
Great work Steve. Love your channel. Hearing you grump is like hearing my own thoughts. I’d love to see you rank your top five time travel story lines.
I'm picking up on the mention that the entire season of Picard should be looked at as the finale as that was the intention.
Would this be an appropriate excuse for why DS9 did NOT warrant a film or follow'up, aside from the commercial real world reasons? The last what, 8 or so episodes of DS9 seem like a huge finale as well.
I’m kinda surprised to not see “These are the Voyages …” on this list. Sure it was an “Enterprise” episode, but most ENT fans would say that it’s not really focused on Enterprise.
For me
All Good things
Vox/The Last Generation
Nemesis .
I adore season 3 of Picard but your opinion is just as valid as mine. Seeing the Enterprise-D again and giving it a better send off than it got in Generations is something I'll always love.
I could tell this hurt a little, to have to think about the two to determine which was the lesser evil. I appreciate that you're willing to call out the positives amid the legitimate complaints you have (about all three, I might add, which is also unusual and worthy of kudos--it's a very valid point that All Good Things was just 6 months before Generations, which does undercut it a great deal). Thanks for a thoroughly entertaining critique.
18:24; ironically, this month marks the 7 year anniversary of "Beyond", now making it the single longest gap between films.
Season 3 Episode 1 had me worried about the entire season right off the bat. The moment it exposed itself, I asked myself, was I going to be able to handle another girthy monster of trash. To my surprise, the “meat” of the middle episodes of the season set a pleasurable rhythm, edging me to satisfaction. But at the moment of climax, hope pulled-out as soon as the Borg were revealed, yet again, as the main antagonist. Why did it have to be the borg?! All the theories and head-canon setting my expectations into the stratosphere, “surely they wont use the Borg AGAIN, for the 3rd time in a row, in this Picard series”, but they did, and it completely torpedoed the finale for me.A jet of despondency blasting me in the face with one overplayed antagonist. I knew it wasn’t going to be some brand-new non-established villain pulling the strings for some greater purpose, but they could’ve reintroduced anyone, sticking with the more evil founders/changelings, the Pah-wraith’s/Dukat, Species 8472, ANYTHING, maybe even a moral dilemma where you’re like, “man, that villain has a point, and jack fits into this somehow as the key to both the master plan to destroy the federation or as a solution for peace” but nope, we got the Borg, again…
Nemesis is a message from the writers to the fans. “We’ve run out of ideas so we’re just going to remake Wrath of Khan mixed with elements from Undiscovered Country and hope you don’t notice.” Picard season 3 is also a message from the writers to the fans. “We’re sorry for seasons 1 and 2. We tried to do something different, but you didn’t like it. So we’ll just recycle ideas from the best of TNG.” In my mind, the only thing that makes Picard season 3 rank higher than Nemesis is that the former doesn’t try to hide what it’s doing.
Thank you for talking about Season 3 of Picard in such a way that it didn't ruin anything for me but was still informative and pertinent to the subject. I was hesitant to watch this video because I haven't gotten to Picard in my Star Trek watch-through.
I love the phrase "Big scary star trek thint."
I stopped this video multiple times to laugh...and a few times to call you a butt (with love, of course). But I will say that 'All Good Things' is my personal favorite of all the Star Trek franchise. The way that it wrapped everything back to the first episode with Q and the human race being watched/judged...chef's kiss. 💋
I loved your paraphrase of “Julius Caesar!” So funny! I didn’t watch “Picard,” but I do agree that “All Good Things “ was better than “Nemesis.”
Steve, I have never been so disappointed in you and your omission of an obvious tie in with Quantum Leap. When you were talking about Picard going through time, how dare you, and I mean. How. Dare. You, not say to put right what once went wrong? I mean come on, it was right there slapping you in the face like some low hanging fruit.
“Captain, we’ve got a problem with the warp core, or the phase inducers, or some other damn thing.”
Season three of Picard was so glorious that any comparison of any of it to the *abominable* Nemesis is just ridiculous. Both the first and the Last episodes were fantastic, and the Last Episode was especially so. But here we are at art being subjective, I guess.
Picard Season 3 gave me nearly everything that I come to Trek for, and it gave it to me generously, fully, and without reservation. It was Great Trek
I literally just slapped my knees at that Futurama joke.
Star Trek the Original Series technically has three endings to Because You Have The episode Turnabout Intruder and then You have The Movies Star Trek V The Final frontier And Then Star Trek VI the Undiscovered Country
27:58 - This has to be the best fans-turbation joke I have EVER heard! **LMAO** 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
That it's streaming "for now" got me good. I mean, you're not wrong...
Had to pause and check out the flag on the wall. Love it! I need to get one of those. Also you and Trek are awesome yeah I wouldn’t be here otherwise but that flag wins.
Okay, that jizz/spunk double-entendre at the end was masterful.
Anyway, I definitely agree All Good Things is a lot of fun character-work to watch. But I also can't help but be annoyed at the "our characters want to do x, but the plot forces them to do y" story beats. I always prefer "the characters think they want to do x, but change their mind to do y" instead. Of course there can be a fuzzy line between the two... a lot of it is a judgment call in how much you can feel the "hand of the writer" guiding things.
One of the most frustrating things about Nemesis has always been how some of those leaked deleted scenes are better than anything which got left in the film. They should've excised 50% or more of the action scenes and kept in all the character beats. Oh well.
All good things from the title to the last minute by far the best... the rest, whatever! Total agree!
Steve We just need we crave, we... deserve the proper Nemesis: Shatner CUT and you would know, you would feel the true emotional gravitas of the Movie.
Steve you've outdone yourself with this video! 🤣
I actually really liked season 3, despite the over-the-top nostalgia of the last episode (ironically, the most nostalgic moment was when 7 saw Voyager in the museum). I thought it was the best written Trek season of all the new shows that I've seen (haven't gotten to SNW yet), with great character interaction that felt sincere and professional unlike the fluff that passes for dialogue in DIS. Leaving the overwhelming nostalgia aside, the biggest flaw was how they structured the season, with 8 episodes dedicated to the sub-villain and only 2 to establish the actual villain of the piece, making it all feel incredibly rushed in the end. And flying the D through an enornous Borg Cube like it was the Millennium Falcon going through the Death Star was beyond silly... they should've split the screen time 50/50 between Vedic and the Borg queen, or saved her for a follow up season to do the story justice. But at least it didn't leave me with that feeling of "that's what we've been building to?" that every season of DIS did, so there's that.
In about 20 years we’ll get an AI uncanny valley dead actor version with yet another finale
Paramount: “hey, hey guys, do you remember when Iconic actors you loved were still alive? Do you remember that guys? Do you?”
Ah yes, the only (?) You tube commenter where I genuinely don’t know what’ll come second in a list like this. (Lists! Honestly I think lists are what’ll do the species in the end) Steve’s hatred of Easter eggs and call outs to past comes close to psychosis at times, it’s SO intense, so very very intense. I have, over the last few months, tried to get my head around it from time to time, but I don’t think I can.. Good old Steve. You’re an old curmudgeon. You’re quite mad. But you’re a wonderful progressive and consistently entertaining voice on here. Never change. (Except, y’know, in the way we all need to change because of progress and, humanity and stuff). Love the video. And my rankings the same.
I just recently found your channel. I don't why I'm watching another one one of your videos. But I am. You seem so uncharismatic in charismatic way. Keep up the good work. On a less weird note, I love star trek but can't find the time to watch it all. You might have the most honest Star Trek talk I've seen. I skipped season 2 of Picard because of you and I don't regret it.
"Art is subjective and opinions vary, but arguing on the internet is forever." - Steve Shives
"All Good Things" may have been the TV finale, but it wasn't the end of the Next Generation, they started filming the movie two weeks after they finished filming the series. And Majel questioned why they were ending the series, as it was so popular, except for the fact it was costing more to pay the cast. They could have pulled a "Law & Order" and replaced some cast members, and had the more expensive ones not be in it as much.
Steve, you nailed it! You'll have to redo the list again after the 4th "finale". 😂
Steve’s commitment to Herculean haterdom for Picard is truly admirable.
OMG I'm stealing this - 'Fan W@nk'!!
I liked Picard Season 3 a fair bit more than Steve did, but this video was about what I expected it would be. That is to say that I loved this video. Great job as usual!
Oh and Steve please please please never stop ♥️
The masturbation jokes at the end about Star Trek Picard are a highlight of your witty wordplay. Well done.
I never saw, even today, see Star Trek Nemesis as a finality at all. I still seen it as one of the continuing stories.
Steve IS the Star Trek Nemesis.
BTW I drove an 18wheeler for 10 years and the AC&T travel center in Hagerstown was one of my all time favorite places to stop and visit.
Great stop, great people, great food.
I cannot help but feel like Picard season 3 not only cheated us out of a finale that could have held a candle to "All Good Things," but also what that show could have been as a whole. Yes, they turned the fan service up to 11, but they actually gave us a glimpse of what we all really wanted... which is the continuation of the 24th-25th century, "golden era" continuity including legacy characters to pass the torch to a new... next generation. You know, what Star Trek does with (most) of it's successful series. 😅
I'm looking at you, Voyager...
While I totally agree, the music in Picard Season 3 is amazing. "Make It So" hits right in the spot, man.
I'm going to just follow your rankings because that is correct. I was going to be devil's advocate and say my 3 were based on a formula using your 3 as variables and realize something rate the singing episode and say it's good. you can use my variables joke.
With Captain Kirk and crew - we needed the movies. There was no closure after 3 seasons of tv (actually 2 because season 3 was so bad.) With Captain Picard - the movies were unneeded. The seven seasons wrapped everything up nicely. However, since the Kirk movies did so well, throw Picard and crew in to crank out more profit. Therefore season three of Picard kind of put a band-aid on everything since All Good Things.
Generations and first contact were like dessert. Enjoyable but existing just to indulge
‘Picard’ season 3 seemed to rely entirely on fan service, not merely reviving every character they could scrape the barrel for, but even going so far as to revive the Enterprise D. I struggle to think of literally anything else it offered to the viewer.
One additional reason Nemesis fails, is it was not designed as a fairwell from the ground up, unlike the other two. And that alone puts it behind Picard, even if you were to consider only the last episode imho.
"Picard ends up chewing on Q's pickle for most of the episode" I can't be the only person who devolved into adolescent snickering at this point
I find that "All Good Things" was the best series finale of all of the Star Trek Series. I also think it was the best way for the TNG cast to be done. I enjoyed the movies and I liked season 3 of Picard even though I hated season 2. It ended okay but All Good Things was better. Nemesis can jump in a lake.