Why Airbus MUST Build the A350-2000
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Boeing’s 777X program is in serious trouble. Delays, technical failures, and mounting frustration from airlines have put the program on thin ice. With the 777X now over five years behind schedule, could this be the perfect moment for #airbus to strike back? In today’s video, we’ll dive into why Airbus should seize this opportunity and build the A350-2000, a stretched version of the A350, to rival #boeing ' struggling 777X. Stay tuned as we explore how Airbus could completely change the game in wide-body #aviation .
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STOP CALLING IT "SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN" AND SAY 777X
Seven hundred seventy-seven?🤣 All jokes aside, ill get that right from now on.
triple 7 x
OR TRIPLE 7
Or a "piece of crap."
I think the airlines are not interested in another stretch of the A350. They've all figured out the 777-300ER and A350-1000 are the right sized planes that balances long distance travel, enough capacity and compatibility with current airport infrastructure.
I think Airbus learned their lesson that bigger is not always better
Absolutely, the A380 taught Airbus that the hard way! Bigger isn’t always better, especially when the demand for mega-jumbos just isn’t there. That’s why any new variant would have to be more about efficiency and flexibility rather than sheer size. Airbus is smarter now-they know it’s all about finding the right balance between capacity and operating costs. So, if the A350-2000 happens, it’ll be because they’re confident it can fill a real gap, not just chase size for the sake of it! 😄✈️
@@WingSpanDiaries Is that why everyone wants to fly on the A380? Is that why every A380 able to fly, is flying?
1000 already the longest version of A350 series .... to stretch it further may need to redesign many components..... new wings for sure then a new engine for more thrust, more thrust needs bigger fuel tanks.... they may as well create the A360 instead
Yeah, you’re right-stretching the A350-1000 would require some serious engineering work! It’s not just about adding a few extra seats; it’s a chain reaction of design changes. But that’s why it’s exciting! Instead of going all out and creating a new aircraft like the A360, tweaking the A350 platform might be a smarter move in terms of cost and development time. It’s a risky play, but if Airbus can pull it off, it could be a game-changer without starting from scratch!
No, absolutely no point to develop the -2000. Economy is not driven just by the errors of you direct competitors. In this field, developping a variant of a plane costs in the billions.
I get where you're coming from! Developing a new variant definitely isn’t cheap-billions, like you said. But sometimes the investment is worth it if it addresses a gap in the market. Boeing’s had some stumbles lately, which is why Airbus might have a unique opportunity here to push the A350-2000. It’s not just about outdoing Boeing; it’s about offering airlines a fresh option that meets evolving needs. But yeah, I agree it’s not a decision to take lightly!
They are struggling to sell the A350-1000 at the moment why would they invest billions in developing a bigger version. I think they will wait for the next generation of engines to be developed. They were hoping for a big order from Emirates for the Airbus 350-1000 but that order didn't materialise. I think Emirates are going for the Boeing 777x as the backbone of their fleet eventually replacing the older Airbus A380'S in the fleet
Come on, guys. By now, everyone knows that with the -1000, they're getting the max out the RR engines. The usual big clients are ME so in hot weather you need even bigger engines. After 6-7 yrs Boeing will certainly sort out 777x teething issues.
I definitely agree it's worth waiting the 350Neo with next gen engines.
@WingSpanDiaries it's not like you have tens of potential clients to 'push the -2000. And US carriers will always favor Boeing. Airbus has to sort out its A220 issues and make if profitable first
@@WingSpanDiaries You have no idea what you are talkin about. Even assuming, that there will be clients for stretch A350, then it won't be developed before the 777X, unless the 777X project will collapse. Another fact is, even if they will somehow develop and certificate the A350-2000 then the backlog for A350 is so long the nearest delivery of the first airframe will be around 2034. Not even close to 777X timing.
Whats next? Boeing will start rebuilding the 314
facinating idea, but I tend to contradict.
firstly, the market is too small. The A380 sales desaster proved that the world-wide-market for planes with a capacity of over 400 seats is in the vicinity of 300 to 400 birds, not more. More or less, there is only one customer for ultra-big planes, that's Emirates.
secondly, to get 10% more passengers in the air, you approximately also need 10% more thrust. A stand-alone-development of the TrentXWB for only 400 engines (for 200 planes) does not really make sense.
True, the market might be niche, but Airbus could be looking to target specific airlines or routes where capacity and efficiency matter more. Sometimes it’s not about quantity, but making a product that dominates its segment!
@@WingSpanDiaries agreed. If so, the budget for development and (re-)certification has to stay low. the market for an A350-1100 (or A350-2000 or...) is probably not bigger than 200 planes worldwide. It would be nice to see, but I personally doubt that it will happen. I deem the risk of not amortizing these one-off-efforts as too high.
Surely it should be called the A350-1100 not the -2000.
Fair point! The naming does seem a bit ambitious, huh? 😄 Calling it the A350-1100 would probably make more sense and keep it in line with the rest of the series. The "-2000" makes it sound like a whole different beast! But hey, maybe Airbus wants to hype it up a bit-or they’re trying to emphasize a big leap forward. Either way, naming aside, it’s all about what this thing can deliver!
Airbus should learn from their mistake with A380 and should not go after every segment of Boeing's market. 777x is just too big for most airlines. It is not easy to fill in that big size plane day in day out. That is why none of the American big three airlines are ordering them.
Your assumption is that Airbus can just pull an A350-2000 out of the hat next Tuesday. The certification alone will take several years and the Boeing is due sometime in late 2025. If Airbus wanted to leapfrog the B777-X with a comparably sized A350, they should have started about 4 years ago.
Totally see your point! It’s not like Airbus can just whip up a new variant overnight. Certifications, testing, and all that red tape take time-no doubt. But it’s not just about beating Boeing to the punch; it’s about setting Airbus up for long-term success. Even if it’s late to the party, an A350-2000 could still be relevant when the 777X finally enters service. If anything, the long lead time gives Airbus a chance to get it just right instead of rushing it to market. Better late and great than early and half-baked, right? 😄✈️
@@WingSpanDiaries I agree with that. I think Airbus will just wait and see how the B777 goes in the market, and of course listen to their customers. An interesting note is at the other end of the market, several airlines are clamouring for an A220-500, but Airbus are still undecided.
Airlines would probably remain with the A350 1000 to avoid risks with bigger sizes
Fair point! Sticking with the A350-1000 is definitely the safer bet, but if Airbus sees an opportunity to corner the market for ultra-high capacity and long-range flights, they might decide it’s worth taking the risk. Sometimes playing it safe isn’t enough to stay ahead!
There is hardly a big market for the A350-2000
The A350-900/ 1000 and the Boeing 777-300ER and the dreamliner hit the sweet spot for long haul wide bodies.- you can fill them up and make a profit.
Boeing did extensive studies that proved that airliners with capacity around 400 passengers are unprofitable & Airbus learned the hard way with A380
The large careers that have ordered the 777-9 wont switch to the A350-2000.
Lastly the WBX 94 engine is already giving the A350-1000 troubles, stretching the A350 wont be plain sailing either
You’ve got a solid argument there! The sweet spot for long-haul widebodies definitely seems to be in that 300-400 seat range right now. And yeah, both Boeing and Airbus have had some painful lessons with oversized aircraft. But I think the A350-2000 would be more about covering a specific niche rather than going full A380-size. Plus, with Rolls-Royce working on new tech, it might solve some of those WBX 94 engine issues that the -1000 faced.
As for airlines switching, it’s a tough sell, no doubt. But if Airbus can prove the -2000’s economics work better over the long term, it could sway a few carriers looking for efficiency gains. It won’t be easy, but in aviation, nothing ever is! 😉✈️
There are so many reasons why this video makes no sense:
1- Developing a stretch of of any aircraft takes a few years, 3-5 from design to certification.
2- The A350-1000 is already a stretch.
3- Further stretching it has many consequences: landing gears, engines, wings, vertical stabilizer...
4- It no guarantee that the fuel efficiency will justify flying it.
5- The market is way too small to guarantee profit.
6- The market keeps moving towards point to point and away from the hubs.
Airbust choose very consciously not to develop ot.
Airbus have a backlog of 712 planes, years of work.
With a production of 65 planes a year, more then 10 years work.
I don't Airbus wants to take the risk or embarrassment. That the A380 did.
More embarrassing than pleading guilty to fraud? Emirates don't seem as you say.
The Airbus A350-900 hits the sweet spot even the Airbus 350-1000 is struggling to sell
Yeah, the A350-900 really nailed it in terms of demand. It’s the perfect balance of range, capacity, and operating costs. The -1000, on the other hand, has had a harder time finding its footing. It’s a great aircraft, but it just hasn’t resonated with as many airlines. That’s why pushing for an even bigger variant like the -2000 might seem risky. Airbus would need to be super strategic and make sure there’s a clear market for it, or it could end up like the -1000’s bigger, tougher-to-sell sibling!
@WingSpanDiaries once RR improve the TOW of the Trent XWB-97 engine the A350-1000 will be unbeatable in its class, much lighter than the 777-9
They should build the a350-2000 but with bigger engines
it will become another 727 max when you said no need for appproval and length testing part
Nahh, if Airbus want to increase the A350 selling, they should open order for the smaller version A350-800. Long haul flight need bigger engine with small capacity because long haul flight has lower number of passenger.
Good luch with that, the engine can barely power the current 1000. Great plane but I doubt they can push the thrust rating anymore without further reducing time on wing. I do not think a NEO is a good option yet anyway while the current model is selling well it risks canabilizing the current well selling model.
I wonder why everyone (apart from a few Americans that is) wants to fly on the A380? I also wonder why every A380 able to fly, is flying?
Not 2000 but A350-NEO and prepare for extension
What engine would a -2000 use? Trent 1000 XWB-97 is not powerful enough for a nearly 40 meter stretch. Perhaps you didn't sleep enough before making this video.
Work in stretching the 220 first to compete with the 737 the worry about the 350
Not gonna happen would need a redesign of the manufacturing process at places like Broughton or loose the efficiency gains of the A350 by using the current -1000 wings so it has no benefit over competitors
They built the 380 , so who knows
How 'loose' would the efficiency gains be?
@davidspooner6001 yeh it could be done just not with the jigs and tooling that's there at the minute. So it's a look at cost/benefits and the A350 is selling well
@@davidmontville4885 😂 oops
So, what’s wrong with the A380?
Airbus vill start development of future A350 - 2000 from next year. ✈🇫🇷✈🌐✈
Isn't the -1000 long enough?
This story is wholly inaccurate - the timeline to get a 2000 on the flightline would be a minimum of 5 years!
Dapat ayosin na ang boeing bka maunaham pa sila ang airbus.
Just do it!
Fly Airbus.
of course airbus will build 350-2000 something because some influencer came up with that. eat a snickers dude 😂😂
Do what you want Airbus...... sky is clear, and yours for the taking. Boeing will be training their clowns and monkeys on how to use a wrench for a few years. Good luck, and soar!
Airbus ❤
"emiradeez" 🤣🤣🤣
Nah not the seven seven seven x
Triple 7X, my bad🤣
Nah, if you need to be more amateurish, the seven hundred seventy-seven X is the way to go!
Do it TODAY. also THE NEW TURBOFAN of Rolls Royce is suited for this, GO!!!!!
Haha, I love the enthusiasm! 💪🔥 If only it were that easy, right? But hey, with Rolls-Royce’s new turbofan tech already in the works, Airbus has a strong foundation to build on. It’s like the stars are aligning for this project! Just gotta convince Airbus to hit that “GO” button and make it happen! 🚀✈️